As an All Blacks fan, I apologise to the South African fans for the excuses (referee, bunker, cards, injuries) these people on this show are making for the most humiliating defeat in All Blacks history. All Blacks were comprehensively annihilated. This show is a national embarrassment. Just makes people around the world hate the All Blacks by denigrating opposition teams, players and coaches.
I have lots of respect for the abs team and supporters but these oaks wow didn't expect that and I'm pretty sure the abs will take alot from this match and improve
if you cannot handle constructive criticism then go watch something else, this panel have commented honestly and with clarify, it is a discussion, they have never denied the ABs loss nor rubbish the boks, open your ears and listen to the discussion.
Thanks mate, hard to watch this crap. AB's are better than this. They need to work on their timing at lineout time (which I've noticed all season and I blame the coaching for this) and got penalised early in the game for it. it just spiralled from there. They won't make the same mistakes again and are obviously still in this WC. Bok fan - Scott Barrett was a bit of a cheap shot but its not like Springboks haven't done this in the past. He just got caught out
problem with this show is the power behind the scenes. Robinson, Gower, all the way up to Graeme Hart. These people are all cut from the same cloth and are all so lazy and cynical in the way they try to rabble rouse and give utterly one-eyed takes on everything that goes sgainst the ABs. They think the NZ public are stupid and can be easily manipulated. The comments by said public show that thankfully their tactics aren't working.
Thanks to all the Kiwis for having issues with this panel. Respect. All Blacks don't need to defend the indefensible, they are champions and will come back stronger. This is the beauty of a rivalry like that.
as an all black fan ,well done to the boks ,no excuses ,top effort and well played ,looking forward to another epic "World Cup" hopefully we meet again gents.
Shout out to the AB fans in here showing their class and calling out this panel! Losses happen,and we know (58-0) better than most, so keep supporting the game!
What’s to enjoy about a stop start, whistle blown affair. You’re hardly partial.. it was a Pom blowing his whistle like it was going out of fashion. If that’s the way rugby will be played.. no thanks
There was a massive amount of handling errors that also cost time. Not just the tmo. The call on Moodie's try took the longest from the TMO. The rest they had answers before the ref referred to it. On Barret i felt he did not make head contact. Just tucked his shoulder and should have been a penalty only for the shoulder tuck. Anyway its in all our interest that the two southern Hemisphere teams progress and knock out the three northern hemisphere teams
@@gungadin3469 If you are referring to stop starts due to ill discipline, then the AB are to blame. Dont blame the rules, blame a player not adhering to the rule. Would you rather have a game where teams are scoring wrongful tries, by forward passes/foul play, off sides/knock on's (To ensure flow) or have the ref + 2 assistant + TMO talk to each other and ensure the right decisions are made within the game. If all adhere to rules we will not have the stop start and game should flow. In that 1st 20min in the line out's for SA when AB engaged before Mostert gets to the ground, should that just be left time after time? There was 4 warnings in a row. AB were blown for this due to ill discipline. Take this in consideration if it happens to the AB against other opponents.
At the Ab Bok game it was non stop action, fantastic atmosphere. I was at the game and it was awesome. News flash - the way the Ab's played was a result of the pressure the Boks put on them. It wasn't the refs!
@@NZ4Life-cy8hveverything wrong with rugby fans. Wonder how they got those cards? Because of pressure, there’s no denying every single card was deserved
😂 They got the cards because of pressure? In the first few minutes they showed examples of potential yellow/red cards for SA if the All Blacks fell over like a baby too.
This must be one of the most disappointing shows from you guys I've seen. I think the ref had a great game. The Boks put alot of pressure on the All Bllacks and were awesome on the night and played like we knew the Boks could always play. I grew up watching these titanic Bok vs All Blacks games with my father and I love the history between these two teams. It would have been refreshing to have focused more on just how good the Boks were.
As a South African and a Bok fan I couldn't agree any more. The historical feud between our two teams have made for some stellar rugby and no matter who you supprt good rugby is still the highlight of any match. All the best for your side in the world cup and may the best team win!
I am a All Black fan through and through. Listen Bokke fans. We lost fair and square. If we had 20 men on the pitch that day we wouldn’t have beaten the Bokke! We were out thought, out muscled and out played. Frankly disturbing! The only person who had an accurate viewpoint and chat was JUSTIN MARSHALL. Notice he has been dropped! As the NZRU and the All Blacks oversee this program! And he was the only one being honest about Foster! Congratulations South Africa. You have showed you are the best! A real shame some Kiwis can’t accept that.
Respect my brother....If the boks arent on the field, the ABs will always have my support.. They will use this game to be near unbeatable when their next opponents face them..
Im Irish myself, been watching this podcast for a few years but I really feel like the panel here living in a type of rugby equivalent of FOX news or something. NZ were comprehensively beaten. It is as simple as that. In sport, you win and you lose and you draw, and in this instance, the SA team was far and away the better team. The absolute reality is that NZ is NOT the force in world rugby it was for a very long time. The All Blacks are still a great institution and will remain in the upper echelon of the game, BUT, these type of results, along with others such as the lost series to Ireland, loss to France, loss to Argentina eg, are going to become more common. These pundits are peddling delusiona and arrogance from a bygone era.
FOX news analogy! Hehe, love it. Good insight my man and I hope the Irish show up nicely in the weeks ahead. Who knows... maybe we Saffas see you in the final?
This panel should be reviewed. Always had a massive respect for AB supporters and the humility they show as the most successful team in history. It's a shame that 'trigger happy' men like this have a forum where they can tarnish the incredible reputation that the All Blacks have deservedly built up over the course of the last few decades. Reading some of the other comments, my perspective is not a unique one and I really hope they each of theme receive the feedback coming from the comments of this video.
Came here to see what they'll be blaming/moaning about this time and my word they didn't disappoint. The sad part is some of these 'trigger happy' people are in charge of the game. Hence the game globally has gone to s##% right now. IMO the Super Rugby is where it is because of people on this show, SA teams were never good enough until they left I guess. Not all teams play the same way, tempo, shape, etc. They should go focus on league rather, they sound like massive fans of that game.
SA implemented their game, completely dominated us, and we couldn’t implement ours. We only have ourselves to blame, no one else. It’s kind of embarrassing watching these excuses.
Unlike South Africa who bend over, kneel down, and take it up the backside; All Blacks actually care about being undefeat and unstoppable. $100,000 SA will not be in the finals.
Dear fellow South Africans If you EVER, EVER hear an AB supporter complain that all we do after a loss is blame the ref, please send them the link to this episode. Not once do they acknowledge a single Springbok for what was undoubtedly a well-deserved victory. You know when someone says, "I'm not going to blame the ref, but..." To say the game dragged on and was boring! I loved EVERY SECOND. The best 133 minutes of my year so far. I even watched it again the next day!
I'll never know 10% of what this panel know about rugby, so it was humbling, having initially thought that the Springboks played really, really well, to learn that all it was was the slow game, the bunker system, the pedantic ref and rules, Barrett being cruelly robbed, and most of the penalties being mysterious. Being naive, there I was thinking that the Springbok pack were better in the scrum, maul, ruck and lineout, and that the backs, particularly Arendse, Esterhuizen, Moodie, Willemse and Libbok were very incisive. How wrong I was......
As a Bok fan, that always respects the AB's and their fans, I was reallty disappointed by some of the takes in this conversation. Goldie trying to equivocate between Barret's cleanout and some other Bok clean outs when the players in those instances weren't even on the floor - is mind blowing.
I agree! Waited for this (one of my favorite) program for two days, only for the panelists’ focus to be as negative as this. Disappointing to say the least. When the boot is on the other foot, such talk from South Africans are regarded as sour grapes. Wow.
I wouldn't worry, Goldie doesn't come across as some1 with a good rugby mind so he things to get a reaction. I personally don't rate him as a rugby commentator, I think a lot of kiwi's think the same!
As a Kiwi I can tell you that there is no other reason ABs lost but Springboks being superb. Total domination. In terms of Jeff Wilson, kiwis don't care what he says and hopefully no-one else does to.
As a neutral (Scotland) watched Savea and Foster, post match and thought wow (dignified and respectful). Watched this and can't help but think it's embarrassing and does nothing but tarnish the great reputation of the AB's. The reason there were so many stoppages is players kept offending, because they were under immense pressure. Are they suggesting let's ignore infringements and let the game just roll on. We've never beaten the AB's and have been thrashed on numerous occasions by them, no doubt when we do eventually get a win, it wont be of our making but a conspiracy, poor refereeing and poor laws of the game. Sure the laws are flawed and refs make mistakes , etc, but if you don't like it take your ball and go home. South Africa were just awesome and they handed out a proper shoeing, fair and square and we relish their challenge in two weeks.
Sadly Foster and Sam both complained about the reds lineout calls in the post Match conference which I hope earns them a fine but I am sure they won’t since that are the AB’s. Then the interview the next day Foster said that Malcolm was faking the injury and making a meal of it. Lost respect for Foster and Sam but interviews from Savea and Coles were top notch and honest.
As an England supporter who feels Farrell rightly got a red card I am amazed that Barretts stayed as a yellow. That sort of cheap-shot is 100% what red cards were designed for as opposed to poor tackle technique/timing. Off the ball, no impact on the game other than to target a vulnerable player. Whether it was head contact or not is immaterial IMO, I'd red card it on "values of the game" alone. As for the ABs themselves this was a reverse against probably one of the best International teams currently. Given your tough side of the draw there will be things to address but you will still have too much quality for most you play and on the day who knows. What is certain is both cards and a lack of them are going to have a definitive impact on this RWC.
You know I really dislike how they basically discredited the boks,made excuses for the all blacks,criticized the referee,said scott barrett did not do anything wrong and accused Marx of faking an injury even tho his head was bleeding and needed to be strapped apparently no head contact joke and bloody hell blamed the rules of the sport itself and then said well the boks cannot play any better then that but we know we can like any tier 1 team does not feel the same way from a coutry that always talks about how arrogant and toxic us South Africans are this shows a lot to any kiwis that are not of the same mind as these people thank you for being realistic and humble and I hope your team bounces back and beats France
Karl Tenana was the only one to acknowledge how dumb Scott Barretts decision making was. This was immediately after the game too. I can’t understand why Scott would attack the 9 after we’d just been warned the next offence was a card. His 2nd yellow was just Fkn dumb. SA were dominant prior to all the cards. Abs going down to 14 just sealed their fate.
As a Kiwi it was so frustrating to watch Barrett commit that dog act. This panel trying to understate his brain fart is embarrassing. The other examples had no ABs lying on the ground defenseless. In saying that, Roigard getting slammed on his try and Jacobsen getting 3 punches to the back of the head was bad too.
Well I mean that Roigard thing is avoidable but not on purpose but fair enought it should have been a penalty but mabye Jacobson should not hold people in the ruck if he wants to avoid that kind of thing
@@user-dv1nm6ty8d Hits, especially intentional ones, to the head and neck, regardless of the reason or phase of the game, are penalized with a yellow or red card. It's as if that's what you claim in the case of Barrett-Marx
A closer look at the 107 minutes. Ranked from longest to shortest: 5m53s: No stoppage: Normal Game time overrun (1st Half: 45m14s, 2nd Half: 40m39s) 2m58s: NZ Injury (Lomax) 2m40s: NZ Injury (De Groot) 2m05s: TMO (Marx try - held up) 2m00s: TMO (Barret 2nd yellow card) 1m40s: SA Injury (Nyakane) 1m30s: TMO (PSTD Yellow card) 1m23s: SA Injury (Vermeulen) 1m05s: TMO (Moodie offside) 53 sec: TMO (Kolisi Try) 47s: Ref warns NZ too many penalties (Cane speaks to team) 46s: SA Injury (Mbonambi) 31s: SA Injury (Marx) 30s: SA Injury (?) Injuries made up 54% of stoppage time, TMO 42%, Warnings 4% Many TMO stoppages but generally Very quick. 3 bunker interventions: NZ try disallowed (knock on), SA try disallowed (Offside), Barret Yellow->Red Card.
This was more like The Meltdown than The Breakdown. What a disappointing and embarrassing reaction from Goldie and friends. Luckily ordinary supporters know that he doesn't represent the majority view of AB fans, who've all been humble and gracious in defeat, knowing that their team can and will do better and giving props to a great Springbok performance. We will not put this meltdown on all AB fans in the hope that you guys won't put anything Mark Keohane says on us. For balance, I present a few counter point to the rubbish presented in the 1st segment here: - nothing wrong with the bunker system, it agreed with the panelists that it should stay yellow (I disagree by the way, but I know it's contentious) - the game took so long because the ABs continually transgressed due to pressure. the issue is not the referee and TMO, but the transgressions and their inability to handle that pressure within the laws. - the ABs weren't dominated because they played with 14 men. they played with 14 men because the were dominated. On the other hand: everything that could have gone wrong did and if Richie slotted that penalty, who knows how the momentum would have changed. Bottomline: I hope the ABs management don't have this approach, because denial is not a goog coaching strategy and we're all hoping they bounce back and represent the Southern Hemisphere as we know they can. Hoping they wipe the floor with the French, but worried if this panel is a reflection of the mindset. Good luck and massive respect to all AB fans (except Goldie).
Jeff Wilson is deep in his feelings😂😂😂 I know a loss like that must hurt but his take on Scott Barrett is delusional, in fact to focus on anything else besides how abysmal the All Blacks were is delusional.
Great win Boks. As your coach said. No World Cup points for it though. As for chokers the ABS are the only team to have won back to back so we will see who chokes or not.
Jeezuz, the whining is insane. A whole show about the ref and the rules. NZ not liking the rules because it doesn't suit their game. As a spectator I loved every minute and the Boks scored 5 tries. How is that boring JK??? For once the ABs didn't get away with murder at the breakdown and now you keep crying. True ABs supporters have been congratulating the Boks on a good performance. Goldie used to deliver an unbias opinion, sadly this has changed. I normally can't wait for this show to air but this will probably be the last time. What a shame. Good luck with your team for the WC. Go Bokke!!!!
and do you moan at your own SA shows when the abs demolish the boks and they are "whining" about the game - move on mate if you dont like it get back to your own rugby shows im sure they are swinging from the rafters
The average SA fan is actually very self critical. Yes we moan at the red or how you bend the rules. But we don't ask for them to be changed we just get on with it. I've always respected and enjoyed All Black rugby. But I'm seeing a pattern that when I was a young boy and my father explained the All Blacks are professional cheaters... I finally see more of that. They know how to bend the rules of the game. They just usually so good no one questions it. But the moment they lose the supporters want rules changed?
@@myshepspud1 so is the average nz punter very self-critical when the abs loses - your SA rugby commentators can equally be whinging about the ref and tmo - nz is no different from other countries when it comes to the sport commentators moaning but do not equate that is how the whole country thinks
This is sore loserism at its finest. How often is a rugby game actually 80 minutes long? This panel was bothered by the length of this game because the All Blacks were behind the entire time.
As an English fan I am pleased that we could at least provide the Kiwis with some light relief, because my God they needed it judging by the punditry here 😅
A few years ago people were complaining when the referee made on the field incorrect quick decisions. So World rugby brought in an extra process to help the game be more fair. Now people are complaining this process is a problem? What do you guys want? Rugby is more safe, and fair than ever, but still a hardcore contact sport. Let's be proud of how far Rugby development has come.
As a SAFFA I want to say we are still standing side to side with our Kiwi Rugby brothers. Watching Savea & Cole’s talk afterwards I genuinely feel for you guys. We’ve all been there. Stay strong we still believe you will smash France and this could still be a SA NZ final. Yellow card: A year ago Barrett did the same against Aus.. It was a cheap shot guys. Move on & focus, the new rules/TMO situation is for safety and if we did the same you guys would agree. This was just one night of Rugby and a whole RWC still ahead - You’ll bounce back support Fossie and your boys loads of love and respect from the purists in South Africa
@@Alias-gy3tz good for you buddy.. You do you and I’ll remember it’s a sport that I love and a moer of an honour wearing the green & gold and sharing a field with them from over a century of history between us. If you’ve shared some beers with some of the Boks and Kiwi players you’ll quickly realise how much we all have in common.
As a Springbok fan I have so much respect for the All Blacks. One of best teams if all time. 6-2 split is ok for All Blacks but Springboks get criticised. Scott Barret fouls but it's the ref is at fault. The game is 107 mins and it's Springboks fault - panel forgets about fouls and penalties coming from All Blacks leading to scrums and lineups. I always enjoy the commentary from this channel - can the panelists keep it that way and NO excuses please.
You've got to be kidding me!! Are you guys wearing blinkers? Barrets clean was reckless and dirty off the ball while all Jeff's super fast examples were cleaning people that was on their feet and going for the ball. Get real kiwis
So glad that there’s a plethora of balanced Rugby channels out there who saw things differently. The rest of the world watched a great spectacle of rugby, where the ABs were monstered by the arch enemy. ABs were outsmarted in all areas, from players all the way to management. The bokke mixed things up superbly. The 7:1 split that the panel is complaining about was a master stroke by the bokke management. Check mate. Play to your strengths and the scoreboard proved it. Scott Barrett had to resort to thuggery and cheap shots to try make some sort of contribution, the same way Mike Tyson had to resort to biting the opponents ear after being owned by Evander Holyfield. Goldies example of the bokke clean out on Dane Coles is not objective. DC is on his feet competing for the ball, as opposed to MM who was lying on the ground defenceless when the ruck was already over. You can’t compare the two. Talking about efficient use of time. The panel spent more than 30mins of a 50min show wining about the ref. Thats more than 60% of the show, yet you want to complain about the game being a drag? Take it on the chin boys. Lick your wounds and like true warriors, fair play to your rival. The bokke respected your “Kapa O Pango” challenge to a duel. They got you this time. Show some mutual respect.
@@Karma-qt4ji are you referring to your team as being made up of women? I disagree. Your team is made up of men, whom we have beaten many times. And have also lost to.
As an AB fan I am always respectful of our Saffa mates. No disrespect from what I saw, just a massive effort to put that performance into context. Boks v AB's is best v best and we are not THAT far off. We proved that when we won the rugby championship. Fine margins. Great performance by the Bokkies....we tend to panic, as a nation when the AB's lose that badly, but guess what, I'm still putting money on the AB's to win this WC (just not my house LoL) ;-P Keep smiling people no matter who you support. Bring it on, this world cup is going to be a wild ride!
As a Springbok fan I admire the loyalty towards your team. Fans who stick by their teams even through the losses are the real ones. I know I've sticked with the Boks even through the worst of games (heck even in the game where you chaps beat us 57-0)
So what these pundits are effectively requesting is that the laws of the game are in fact ignored so that the game can flow and their team can play the game as they like, without being stopped. What is going on here??? Surely SA’s pressure caused a multitude of those AB offenses, and did not allow NZ to play their natural game, in the first place! This is in effect, not a lot different than what Saffas have complained of in the past (even though this very same panel criticized any such complaints from them at those times). Making excuses for Scott Barrett’s obviously targeted “clean-out” on a prone Marx, is plain shocking. Wow.
1988 Bledisloe cup, the Australian journos complained that the ABs were the only team that could form a scrum wherever they chose, not the referee. More importantly, they pointed out that the ABs entered the breakdown from the side as often as they liked and even took out players in front of the ball. In the intervening years people have watched them play the man, obstruct and commit side entry with absolute impunity. The moment the referee whistles them on it, they struggle to adapt. Then they want refereeing to change. They're a good team and shouldn't need to rely on the carte blanche the referees have given them for years.
Cant believe the sprinbok suporters are complaining. The forget Rasies 1hour long video and the fans crying every week about refs. Even rating the reffs after every game when they loose. I stay in south africa and i no what im talking about.
@@powerbite92 They are serial cheaters, we all know that. If they have to play within the rules, they lose. Richie McCheat was the worst, he got away with murder.
noone cares about the law of the game until now, go watch nz v france 2007 last 10mins. rugby is black, white and grey, its the flow of the game that defines rugby from american football lawyers to rugby union. noone wants lawyer rugby apart from pancake
Guys, just keep in mind. Both teams had the same ref, TMO. bunker... and subjected to the same reviews etc. Granted it slowed the game down, but I think one of the teams was just not on song this weekend, but they will be back make no mistake. We need to keep the cup in southern hemisphere, so let's make it happen!
Wow! The AB fans and most commentators have been so gracious in defeat and we all know as the greatest team of all time, the AB’s will come back as strong as ever. It therefore blows my mind that this crew are suggesting bad refereeing and that Barret’s clean out should not even be a yellow card!!! You sir are saying it is ok to dive on a player, lying on the ground, leading with your shoulder. Let me tell you, if your version of the rules means the Springboks could charge in like that and not get yellow, half the field would go off on a stretcher, or even worse. Shame on you!
The Boks were planning for 2023 since 2018. We are happy about 2019, but that was not planned.2020, we played zero games due to our government restrictions, 2021 was the British and Irish Lions series and we had to hit our strides from the get-go. After that we were building. We built depth, we gave players opportunities, we focused on combinations, we did everything in our power to make sure by the time of the 2023 world cup, we will be the best that we have ever been. We left lots of points out there this weekend. The best of this team is yet to come when it really matters. These pundits will see the true potential of this team vs Scotland and Ireland. The Boks were far from their best. They also took their foot off the pedal the last 10 minutes which were disappointing. In my mind the Boks were the always favourites, yes, I am biased, of course, but I know the power of a World Cup for us and we have 2 of the best coaches in the world coaching this team. I am looking forward to the next 2 months.
helps when everything goes right from the beginning where your guy "gets injured" to not give away a penalty. Half time coulda been 14-7 only and then with 14 men you could see how many times they were able to take advantage of that. France to beat SA in the 1/4s. Don't forget about 57-0 and the comeback SA made from that so easily. Some days things dont' go your way and you'll see that next game. All the 'as a bok fan' commentators in this thread will be telling us all how the referee decided their fate vs France and not the fact they got beaten fair and square
@@BassmentProductionsSpringboks battered the ABs 15v15 and 14V14. Bow down to South African Rugby because they will be winning the world cup. Even the backlne outplayed the ABs om Friday, 20 year old opened you up like a can of worms. Springboks put you under pressure, accept it.
@@paddyanglais91 first Difficult run? Lets see 1995 they had Australia, France and the ABs. 2007 They had Samoa, Argentina and England, England beat france aho you couldbt beat and went on to beat the ABs 3 games in a row after that. 2019 They had Japan who defeated Scotland, Ireland and Wales who were the best NH team in 2019, they also beat England who battered the ABs and beat the ABs every year since winning the world cup, beat the ABs two games in a row and just gave the ABs their biggest defeat in history and beat the B&I lions who the ABs of 2017 couldnt even do so they have proven themselves to be world champions.
Every neutral fan and pundit has reacted the same way to the Barrett cheap shot, this panel however, seems to think it was okay. Says a lot about how they are used to NZ getting away with this kind of thing.
No! Don’t twist it - the point is: does a clean out that initially hits an opposition should THEN a head of someone else - is it really foul play? If so it will happen to a lot of teams this cup
@@nzfreeski That is far from the issue brother. he came off his feet to "clean out" a player who wasnt even contesting at the breakdown. this was clear malicious intent and a stupid mistake by Barret cause he lost his head.
Fiji is ranked 7th now above australia and wales, their best ever ranking. I hope they keep going in this direction when Fiji meets these two countries at the world cup.
Im neither Kiwi nor South African, but I love rugby. All the panel did apart from the interviews was whinge. I thought we would get some Rugby analysis. But No. All they did was complain about the ball in play time and the bunker. New Zealand would have lost that match even if they had 16 players on the pitch. You need to start facing reality and carry out an objective analysis of why you lost the match. The All Blacks were outplayed in almost every area of the pitch. Get over yourselves... By the way, I thought it was a Red Card every day of the week!
I saw many neutral pundits praising the ABs and the NZ supporters for the class way they took the defeat. They would change their minds watching this. Unbelievable!
EXACTLY! Rassie was first to expose the Ref inconsistency - but the world shut him up (incl NZ) - now *THEY* whine & moan! Rassie is a visionary - he's been planning RWC23 directly after RWC19!
When Rassie was complaining about consistency he was critisized by this panel. Now it seems the boot is on the other foot, but when it was SA they said it's sour grapes. Who are the cry babies now?
I can't believe these guys only now realize that the refs are costing teams games. Rassie have been complaining about the inconsistencies for years now, he even suffered a ban. These blokes laughed at Rassie but now they are crying. Their hypocricy is unbelievable.
They must be watching a different game to me, because Barrett clearly made contact with the head and there was nothing wrong with those Springbok clearouts. I'm not SA, by the way
This show is an embarrassment. Biased, lacking class, intelligence and insight. As a South African I have nothing but respect and admiration for NZ rugby. They have been our greatest and most consistent competitors (never mind likely the most successful rugby nation of all time). Although the All Blacks were well and truly beaten on Saturday, no SA fan is under the illusion that on any other given day they could have put 30 past us (like they did a couple weeks ago). That is what makes these clashes so special. The true rivalry, competition and respect. This entire panel however has once again shown disrespect to not only the Springboks but also the great rivalry with the ABs that South Africans hold so dearly. The All Blacks had an off day. They were punished. Blaming refs etc is in poor taste and detracts from valid arguments that may improve our beautiful game and its officiating. The All Blacks are a brilliant, well coached side that have the talent and leadership to come back and potentially win the world cup however if this panel is any reflection of NZ rugby leadership/management then they may in fact be in more trouble than initially thought (fortunately I do not think this is the case). Stop making excuses and belittling a competitor who has never belittled you. Time for this panel to reflect the gracious and intelligent attitude of their fan base. Thanks for reading my incredible amount of bitching and complaining😂 I feel better😂
As a bok fan im really disappointed at the comments made by Goldie. He had so many excuses for how the boks spoiled the game. Sure the game was long, sure there was a lot of stoppages but look at the handling errors by the AB's You cant talk about a flowing game and speeding it up when you have so many resets caused by your own team. Secondly im a big Barret fan but taking a cheap shot like that, remember he does have a history of red cards. Sir John Kirwan, lots of respect for your comments. At least someone appreciate what the boks accomplished.
Amen, a week ago he was "cock-a-hoop" now whining like a pansy, really disappointing, tell you this for free, Jeff has always been a critic of the boks, never find his "grudging" commentary believable, disappointing as he is a great "former" player
Everyone knows Eng refs are conservative and pedantic. Players have to adapt to the ref and the panel openly discussed SBs frustration and the "red mist." That's a lack of dicipline and focus, no other excuse. At this level its dumb play plain and simple.
As a South African fan... It's so interesting to see this panel trying to shape the narrative. We see what you are doing there 😉 Big respect too our old foes... We play our type of rugby, you play your type of rugby. When our coaches tried to bring in your type of style into SA rugby... we lost to the ABs by more than 50 points. Don't try and change the game, just because you have had a big loss. Love the show.
7-1 split suits us just fine. That’s the way we like to play. Boring rugby ? Not after scoring 5 tries. Show respect 🇿🇦🇿🇦 This time the ref was not buying into the AB’s constant infringements
He actually did buy into their usual foul tactics because the penalty count in ABs 22 were 8 with only one yellow! Two yellows the whole game where one was actually straight red! Gave them a lineout where Matt T clearly knocked on before going into touch and never noticed the offsides and blocking lines at their lineout, not to mention the scrum penalty where ABs went to ground first. If the ABs were to be reffed correctly this scoreline would be a regular occurrence.
Some of the 50/50 cleanouts the guys highlighted are in instances of genuine competition at the ruck. Barretts play was idiotic because it was a completely unnecessary shot on a guy lying on the ground at a ruck which wasn't even being competed for. It was the type of thing Bakkies Botha used to do...but these days you risk reds for it. I think it must be especially difficult for past players to see their team lose like this. But honestly, the couple of shows prior to this didn't include complaining about the current laws and approach to refereeing, why now? I'd say its to rationalise and deal with a 35-7 loss?
Very well said. Not a good look. They spent the first 5 minutes of the show complaining about the ref and insinuating that the boks made the game boring. No mention of how dominant the boks were before the cards either. The boks scored 5 tries and are being criticised for not scoring more.
So basically they want refs to ignore the ABs infringing because it "takes away from the game." ABs have been lying on the ball and clearing out past the ruck for years, they get called out for it ONCE and now the ref is suddenly an issue. Interesting.
So, it's the clashing of two rugby worlds: AB's like the running, open play, hand to hand ball passing game. The Boks will be strong in the set pieces and actually, when unleashed, their backline is potent. It's about who excutes better on the day.
The massive occasion got to Scott Barretts head and it exploded 🤯 hitting a ruck hard wen the players were no threat all laying on the ground is just dumb Barrett has an I.Q of a ram 🐏 🤦
Imagine that Barrett clean out was from Bakkies Botha or Eben Etzebeth, Hansen and Wilson would go nuts saying how dirty he is... And the selective reasoning (examples) Marx was lying down, away from the ball. His examples were actually jacklers with their hands on the ball competing. Cleaning out someone on the ball is different to diving on a player lying flat on the ground.
I was so impressed about how well the AB coaching staff and players had taken this loss. As a Saffa we know enough about ref controversy, but for the presenters (Jeff speaking to you here) to start the show focusing solely on all the cards felt a bit like sour grapes. Specificslly Barrets RED, sorry Marx was off his legs on the ground with no right to the ball, he was in the process of disengaging from the break down and the ball was available to the ABs, for Scott to go off his feat to the head/kneck/sholder area was a wreckless cheap shot! Just because he may have hit the sholder first does not take away from it being a cheap wreckless shot. I also sense that marx was not necessaryily in pain, but angered by it being a wreckless cheap shot that could have been so much worse. I am also amused that all reports from out side of New Zealand concur with my sentiment, that it wad wreckless and cheap ... All noise from within New Zealand is that it was harsh and it should not have been a yellow and the resulting red. That in its self tells a story! Suck it up boys, you will be better against France!
Yup this has panel has completely lost the plot. Not used to refs reffing them like they have been reffing everybody else. And I am sorry, but since the whole world turned on Rassie when he was trying to expose the refs issues, NO TEAM can complain about refs. The thing people missed was Rassie was not specifically moaning that it happened to the boks, he was trying to highlight how refs can stuff up a game with no accountability. All every other coach needed to do was to shut up and let rassie fight the fight on behalf of them, or even better, back rassie
I have been a fan of boks since i was a little kid and i have alway had nothing but total respect of the ABs and their fans. This show has tarnished that respect.
Fully agree. As a bok myself, utmost respect for AB fans and players and even the Breakdown is one of my favourite shows to watch but this episode was definitely not classy. The All Blacks will bounce back after this: I feel for the teams that are in their pool in the RWC.
As a South African and Bok supporter I have the utmost respect for the All Blacks. And I can say with confidence that all South Africans feel the same. You are our nemesis. No team has beaten us more. And no team has beaten the AB more than the boks. It's a rivalry that I hope never changes. But this show has just spat on that rivalry and in doing so has shown total disrespect to both teams. I'm sorry the AB fans had to watch this even more than I am sorry the bok fans had to. And to the AB I am sure you will bounce back from this. France are worried more now than what they were a week ago. Because now you are not complacent. Dear All Blacks. Win your pool. We will win ours. I doubt Ireland will stop the boks. Not in a RWC game. And we will settle this again in the final which we all been longing for since 1995.
The AB's were beaten 5 tries to 1 on the day, I'm pretty sure this panel found the game too long, I found it quite enjoyable, I wished it could go on for another hour or two 😃
Right??!😂😂They're on about,"it's boring for the fans..." and all that sore loser talk,yet that was one of the most engaging games I've watched in a while
Man! I totally agree - I dunno where this perception comes from that "the fans" find it boring?? Nonsense. Rugby is a high impact contact sport but it's evolved into so much more than that becoming a multi-faceted game of strategy and player and official management. It's a highly regulated environment where smart coaches (read: RassNaber) go so far as to appoint full time referees to consult on rules and technical compliance. The average professional rugby player has to be a bloody academic on top of being a warrior. Personally, I find it fascinating to watch teams compete intelligently within the framework and when a brilliant team like the AB's consistently misstep and themselves cause the stop start situation they have to ask themselves some serious questions. Up-tempo rugby suits them for sure but in this case they were the authors of their own misery. Thing is - those guys are intelligent and will look at what they did, adapt and bounce back, no doubt. Good luck for France AB's!
I saw an article written by Gregory Paul where he does a multipage winge about the tragedy done to the global rugby fraternity as a result of the bunker refs, pedantry, etc during this match. While I read it, I couldn't help but think that there is no chance in hell this article would've seen the light of day had the abs beat the boks 35-7.
Embarrassed by what I've heard on the show today. (I'm an all black fan and was at the game). We need to take it when we loose and that was the most honest to god loss I've ever seen. These excuses are just beneath us guys.
After taking the biggest defeat in history, even us Boks fans wouldn’t be whining as much as this lot. From the ref, to the bunker system, to the pace, to Bill Beaumont, everyone was to blame but the ABs. Just surprised they didn’t include global warming. It was great watching the ABs finally being as penalised as we normally are, and realising it’s not so lekker, ne. It wasn’t such a problem when it happened to us in Mount Smart now was it. Only difference is we had the guts to not roll over and fought back. Also loved the “this is the best the Boks can play” chirp. Like that spoilt kid in class not getting his way. Well, let’s see shall we. And then the defence of the indefensible Scott Barrett “not making head contact”. Lol! I presume Malcolm needed that head bandage to keep his hair back. This really was a disgrace from TBD team, with such little respect paid to a team that annihilated their beloved ABs. Will definitely be supporting Les Bleus in a few days time.
You obviously mean; from bad to worse. Right? I know grammer and meaning isnt everything, but come on. Just for you ill give you some advice; never trust a salesman that sells his own people for profit.
As a South African this show and commentary is degrading. When we lost with 50 points, we didn't make excuses, we played bad and that was it. All I hear is excuses and belittle the beautiful game our Boks played. I also think that the review system eliminates all the complains about the refs, there was 2 tries that was disallowed because the reviews and the ref did not pick this up. It was through the review systems which assist with eliminating points that are being scored because of mistakes of refs. Discussed with this show.
Lol I love how much time was dedicated to the the refs, tmo's and bunkers in a record defeat..but lets not take anything away from the Springboks 😅. Just a small tip..if you dont want to bring the ref into the game..don't give the ref a reason to. Cards and ref's aside..think the All blacks were just shell shocked by the ntensity and the verocity dished up. Similar to the semi final exit to England. All Blacks seem to melt and wilt when they dont get their way. You could see it the players eyes after 10 minutes already.
The ABs will certainly come good at the World Cup but the Barrett clear out was a straight red. There is a worrying trend amongst NZ pundits to minimise dangerous head contact. Players' brain health is more important than the game.
As a New Zealand supporter, we have to give credit, when credit is due. South Africa were very dominant and gave the AB's a sharp lesson on the fundamentals of the game. No excuses, we were clearly beaten by a better team on the day. I personally think that this is probably the best thing to happen to the AB's. It'll motivate them to get back with the program, back to the fundamentals and be the dangerous team that they normally are. Rest assure they'll be back bigger, stronger and more focused.
1 long injury to Lomax, 4 yellow cards, 2 disallowed tries - that's why the game was so slow. When the ball was in play, both teams did try to play ball a fair bit. Yes the Boks scored with their forwards and via turnovers, but the Boks also made clean breaks, and ran from inside their twenty two - as did the ABs. I think both teams' players tried to make it a real game.
Hey Jeff Wilson… how is diving at someone lying on the ground a ruck clean out?Jeff you know as we all do that was just mindless thuggery, if that’s not red nothing is. Why is everyone getting so obsessed about the length of the games? We would all rather have the right refereeing decision and I think we will be happy to have a beer and enjoy a fair contest. Go and watch that rubbish sport rugby League or basketball if it bothers you. The journalist on the panel has no interest in fair decision making.
I cannot believe that as a true rugby fan....You would want a rugby match to finish as quickly as possible. The Breakdown brings people to the studio...and these people say " I couldnt wait for the game to end so that I can go shopping"......Of course when you are losing badly you will want to change the channel. That is no rocket science.
Its pathetic. So the ref and tmo called them on the things they normally get away with... as for the time... how long was Lomax on the ground because injury... how many times did all blacks slow the game down and give away penalties cause they could not take the pressure. None of what they are saying was the refs fault. They werent in the game. But we all know they will be back. And this rivalry will not end here. Good luck Nz.
On a more positive note ... kudos to the ABs for taking on the really really important mental health platform. With our boys, it's about Unity and Sport as a vehicle for change. It's always worthy of respect when a team has a purpose as well as winning 💚💛✌🇿🇦
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As an All Blacks fan, I apologise to the South African fans for the excuses (referee, bunker, cards, injuries) these people on this show are making for the most humiliating defeat in All Blacks history. All Blacks were comprehensively annihilated. This show is a national embarrassment. Just makes people around the world hate the All Blacks by denigrating opposition teams, players and coaches.
I have lots of respect for the abs team and supporters but these oaks wow didn't expect that and I'm pretty sure the abs will take alot from this match and improve
if you cannot handle constructive criticism then go watch something else, this panel have commented honestly and with clarify, it is a discussion, they have never denied the ABs loss nor rubbish the boks, open your ears and listen to the discussion.
@@pita3908 lol ok then it's ok for player's to do as they like because that was a clear red card and Marx didn't fake his injury
Thanks mate, hard to watch this crap. AB's are better than this. They need to work on their timing at lineout time (which I've noticed all season and I blame the coaching for this) and got penalised early in the game for it. it just spiralled from there. They won't make the same mistakes again and are obviously still in this WC. Bok fan - Scott Barrett was a bit of a cheap shot but its not like Springboks haven't done this in the past. He just got caught out
problem with this show is the power behind the scenes. Robinson, Gower, all the way up to Graeme Hart. These people are all cut from the same cloth and are all so lazy and cynical in the way they try to rabble rouse and give utterly one-eyed takes on everything that goes sgainst the ABs. They think the NZ public are stupid and can be easily manipulated. The comments by said public show that thankfully their tactics aren't working.
Thanks to all the Kiwis for having issues with this panel. Respect. All Blacks don't need to defend the indefensible, they are champions and will come back stronger. This is the beauty of a rivalry like that.
“Guys let’s not take anything away from the Boks’ victory and dominant performance.”
Does absolutely everything in 50 minutes to do exactly that.
As a Springbok fan. Many games we lost to you guys felt very long! 😂
as an all black fan ,well done to the boks ,no excuses ,top effort and well played ,looking forward to another epic "World Cup" hopefully we meet again gents.
There's the proper kiwi humility and fighting spirit mate.
Thank you. Our greatest Rivals. you will rise again.
The AB's are going to bounce back after this. I would not want to be one of the teams in their pool.
Jeff Wilson is the biggest Sour Grape farmer in New Zealand
Shout out to the AB fans in here showing their class and calling out this panel! Losses happen,and we know (58-0) better than most, so keep supporting the game!
57-0
As a neutral (England) I enjoyed the match and the AB’s were comprehensively beaten. Listening to the pundits blaming the referee is embarrassing.
What’s to enjoy about a stop start, whistle blown affair. You’re hardly partial.. it was a Pom blowing his whistle like it was going out of fashion. If that’s the way rugby will be played.. no thanks
@@gungadin3469Easy to fix! Just stick to the rules of Rugby
@@Woke2Broke Ha Ha!
There was a massive amount of handling errors that also cost time. Not just the tmo. The call on Moodie's try took the longest from the TMO. The rest they had answers before the ref referred to it.
On Barret i felt he did not make head contact. Just tucked his shoulder and should have been a penalty only for the shoulder tuck.
Anyway its in all our interest that the two southern Hemisphere teams progress and knock out the three northern hemisphere teams
@@gungadin3469 If you are referring to stop starts due to ill discipline, then the AB are to blame. Dont blame the rules, blame a player not adhering to the rule. Would you rather have a game where teams are scoring wrongful tries, by forward passes/foul play, off sides/knock on's (To ensure flow) or have the ref + 2 assistant + TMO talk to each other and ensure the right decisions are made within the game. If all adhere to rules we will not have the stop start and game should flow.
In that 1st 20min in the line out's for SA when AB engaged before Mostert gets to the ground, should that just be left time after time? There was 4 warnings in a row. AB were blown for this due to ill discipline. Take this in consideration if it happens to the AB against other opponents.
At the Ab Bok game it was non stop action, fantastic atmosphere. I was at the game and it was awesome. News flash - the way the Ab's played was a result of the pressure the Boks put on them. It wasn't the refs!
Boring game decided by cards
@@NZ4Life-cy8hvThey were all deserved stop wighnin
Amen brother
@@NZ4Life-cy8hveverything wrong with rugby fans. Wonder how they got those cards? Because of pressure, there’s no denying every single card was deserved
😂 They got the cards because of pressure? In the first few minutes they showed examples of potential yellow/red cards for SA if the All Blacks fell over like a baby too.
This must be one of the most disappointing shows from you guys I've seen. I think the ref had a great game. The Boks put alot of pressure on the All Bllacks and were awesome on the night and played like we knew the Boks could always play. I grew up watching these titanic Bok vs All Blacks games with my father and I love the history between these two teams. It would have been refreshing to have focused more on just how good the Boks were.
As a South African and a Bok fan I couldn't agree any more. The historical feud between our two teams have made for some stellar rugby and no matter who you supprt good rugby is still the highlight of any match. All the best for your side in the world cup and may the best team win!
I am a All Black fan through and through. Listen Bokke fans. We lost fair and square. If we had 20 men on the pitch that day we wouldn’t have beaten the Bokke!
We were out thought, out muscled and out played. Frankly disturbing!
The only person who had an accurate viewpoint and chat was JUSTIN MARSHALL.
Notice he has been dropped! As the NZRU and the All Blacks oversee this program! And he was the only one being honest about Foster!
Congratulations South Africa. You have showed you are the best! A real shame some Kiwis can’t accept that.
Someone gets it.
Thank you. By the way out of all the NZ pundits Justin Marshall is one of the best
Respect and don’t worry the All Blacks will be back. Will be rooting for them against France
Top class comment mate. Well done NZ will be contenders in the world cup. Good luck from a bok supporter
Respect my brother....If the boks arent on the field, the ABs will always have my support.. They will use this game to be near unbeatable when their next opponents face them..
Im Irish myself, been watching this podcast for a few years but I really feel like the panel here living in a type of rugby equivalent of FOX news or something. NZ were comprehensively beaten. It is as simple as that. In sport, you win and you lose and you draw, and in this instance, the SA team was far and away the better team. The absolute reality is that NZ is NOT the force in world rugby it was for a very long time. The All Blacks are still a great institution and will remain in the upper echelon of the game, BUT, these type of results, along with others such as the lost series to Ireland, loss to France, loss to Argentina eg, are going to become more common. These pundits are peddling delusiona and arrogance from a bygone era.
FOX news analogy! Hehe, love it. Good insight my man and I hope the Irish show up nicely in the weeks ahead. Who knows... maybe we Saffas see you in the final?
More like CNN and MSNBC.......that's where delusions flourish!
You mean CNN.
@@bitcoinnewsview5 horses for courses I guess 😂. Probably either is preferable to some of the state sponsored stuff we get over here 🙄
@@bitcoinnewsview5 Yeah them too, that analogy works as well.
This panel should be reviewed. Always had a massive respect for AB supporters and the humility they show as the most successful team in history. It's a shame that 'trigger happy' men like this have a forum where they can tarnish the incredible reputation that the All Blacks have deservedly built up over the course of the last few decades.
Reading some of the other comments, my perspective is not a unique one and I really hope they each of theme receive the feedback coming from the comments of this video.
Came here to see what they'll be blaming/moaning about this time and my word they didn't disappoint. The sad part is some of these 'trigger happy' people are in charge of the game. Hence the game globally has gone to s##% right now. IMO the Super Rugby is where it is because of people on this show, SA teams were never good enough until they left I guess. Not all teams play the same way, tempo, shape, etc. They should go focus on league rather, they sound like massive fans of that game.
You're absolutely right. They need to change this panel
Sa fan says NZ panel is biased🤣
SA implemented their game, completely dominated us, and we couldn’t implement ours. We only have ourselves to blame, no one else. It’s kind of embarrassing watching these excuses.
@@hankgoldenshaft agree
If a team is beaten so soundly by 5 tries to one .
Accept the fact that you were totally outplayed
Unlike South Africa who bend over, kneel down, and take it up the backside; All Blacks actually care about being undefeat and unstoppable.
$100,000 SA will not be in the finals.
Dear fellow South Africans
If you EVER, EVER hear an AB supporter complain that all we do after a loss is blame the ref, please send them the link to this episode. Not once do they acknowledge a single Springbok for what was undoubtedly a well-deserved victory. You know when someone says, "I'm not going to blame the ref, but..."
To say the game dragged on and was boring! I loved EVERY SECOND. The best 133 minutes of my year so far. I even watched it again the next day!
Lol if they were from south Africa they would be banned for bringing the game into disrepute..
I'll never know 10% of what this panel know about rugby, so it was humbling, having initially thought that the Springboks played really, really well, to learn that all it was was the slow game, the bunker system, the pedantic ref and rules, Barrett being cruelly robbed, and most of the penalties being mysterious. Being naive, there I was thinking that the Springbok pack were better in the scrum, maul, ruck and lineout, and that the backs, particularly Arendse, Esterhuizen, Moodie, Willemse and Libbok were very incisive. How wrong I was......
😂😂😂
As a Bok fan, that always respects the AB's and their fans, I was reallty disappointed by some of the takes in this conversation. Goldie trying to equivocate between Barret's cleanout and some other Bok clean outs when the players in those instances weren't even on the floor - is mind blowing.
Never take Goldie Serious. Some of the stuff he says is kak.
I agree! Waited for this (one of my favorite) program for two days, only for the panelists’ focus to be as negative as this. Disappointing to say the least. When the boot is on the other foot, such talk from South Africans are regarded as sour grapes. Wow.
i agree completely - total nonsense.
I wouldn't worry, Goldie doesn't come across as some1 with a good rugby mind so he things to get a reaction. I personally don't rate him as a rugby commentator, I think a lot of kiwi's think the same!
As a Kiwi I can tell you that there is no other reason ABs lost but Springboks being superb. Total domination. In terms of Jeff Wilson, kiwis don't care what he says and hopefully no-one else does to.
THe reason the playing time was so low was due to the amount of mistakes the AB's made.
As a neutral (Scotland) watched Savea and Foster, post match and thought wow (dignified and respectful). Watched this and can't help but think it's embarrassing and does nothing but tarnish the great reputation of the AB's. The reason there were so many stoppages is players kept offending, because they were under immense pressure. Are they suggesting let's ignore infringements and let the game just roll on.
We've never beaten the AB's and have been thrashed on numerous occasions by them, no doubt when we do eventually get a win, it wont be of our making but a conspiracy, poor refereeing and poor laws of the game.
Sure the laws are flawed and refs make mistakes , etc, but if you don't like it take your ball and go home. South Africa were just awesome and they handed out a proper shoeing, fair and square and we relish their challenge in two weeks.
Sadly Foster and Sam both complained about the reds lineout calls in the post
Match conference which I hope earns them a fine but I am sure they won’t since that are the AB’s. Then the interview the next day Foster said that Malcolm was faking the injury and making a meal of it. Lost respect for Foster and Sam but interviews from Savea and Coles were top notch and honest.
@@BogartAus Agreed, wasn't overly impressed by Foster's post match comments at all.
As an England supporter who feels Farrell rightly got a red card I am amazed that Barretts stayed as a yellow. That sort of cheap-shot is 100% what red cards were designed for as opposed to poor tackle technique/timing. Off the ball, no impact on the game other than to target a vulnerable player. Whether it was head contact or not is immaterial IMO, I'd red card it on "values of the game" alone.
As for the ABs themselves this was a reverse against probably one of the best International teams currently. Given your tough side of the draw there will be things to address but you will still have too much quality for most you play and on the day who knows. What is certain is both cards and a lack of them are going to have a definitive impact on this RWC.
💯 agree mate. Would they want their child lying on the ground receiving that illegal hit to the body or head. I am sure they wouldn’t.
It was madness but not to the head so can't go any further. Low body killing a ruck does need to be stopped tho.
@@deano8052 agree he could have broken his ribs and been out of the RWC.
How is it close to Farrell. Was not to the head - as per the rules it is a yellow.
You know I really dislike how they basically discredited the boks,made excuses for the all blacks,criticized the referee,said scott barrett did not do anything wrong and accused Marx of faking an injury even tho his head was bleeding and needed to be strapped apparently no head contact joke and bloody hell blamed the rules of the sport itself and then said well the boks cannot play any better then that but we know we can like any tier 1 team does not feel the same way from a coutry that always talks about how arrogant and toxic us South Africans are this shows a lot to any kiwis that are not of the same mind as these people thank you for being realistic and humble and I hope your team bounces back and beats France
Always happens mate😂,they living in the glorious past
Karl Tenana was the only one to acknowledge how dumb Scott Barretts decision making was. This was immediately after the game too. I can’t understand why Scott would attack the 9 after we’d just been warned the next offence was a card. His 2nd yellow was just Fkn dumb. SA were dominant prior to all the cards. Abs going down to 14 just sealed their fate.
And yet you’re here crying lol
@@mylord4916tbh i blame sam cane he's not a good captain plus that reff warn him like heaps of time so the reff is not to be blame
they have not discredit the SA team...
As a Kiwi it was so frustrating to watch Barrett commit that dog act. This panel trying to understate his brain fart is embarrassing. The other examples had no ABs lying on the ground defenseless. In saying that, Roigard getting slammed on his try and Jacobsen getting 3 punches to the back of the head was bad too.
Good on you brother. Only way to solve a problem is to accept responsibility and address it.
I really don't like that pile on mentality after someone has already clearly scored a try. It's just bad sportsmanship.
yea so no cards for SA was it?
Well I mean that Roigard thing is avoidable but not on purpose but fair enought it should have been a penalty but mabye Jacobson should not hold people in the ruck if he wants to avoid that kind of thing
@@user-dv1nm6ty8d Hits, especially intentional ones, to the head and neck, regardless of the reason or phase of the game, are penalized with a yellow or red card.
It's as if that's what you claim in the case of Barrett-Marx
A closer look at the 107 minutes. Ranked from longest to shortest:
5m53s: No stoppage: Normal Game time overrun (1st Half: 45m14s, 2nd Half: 40m39s)
2m58s: NZ Injury (Lomax)
2m40s: NZ Injury (De Groot)
2m05s: TMO (Marx try - held up)
2m00s: TMO (Barret 2nd yellow card)
1m40s: SA Injury (Nyakane)
1m30s: TMO (PSTD Yellow card)
1m23s: SA Injury (Vermeulen)
1m05s: TMO (Moodie offside)
53 sec: TMO (Kolisi Try)
47s: Ref warns NZ too many penalties (Cane speaks to team)
46s: SA Injury (Mbonambi)
31s: SA Injury (Marx)
30s: SA Injury (?)
Injuries made up 54% of stoppage time, TMO 42%, Warnings 4%
Many TMO stoppages but generally Very quick. 3 bunker interventions: NZ try disallowed (knock on), SA try disallowed (Offside), Barret Yellow->Red Card.
This was more like The Meltdown than The Breakdown.
What a disappointing and embarrassing reaction from Goldie and friends.
Luckily ordinary supporters know that he doesn't represent the majority view of AB fans, who've all been humble and gracious in defeat, knowing that their team can and will do better and giving props to a great Springbok performance.
We will not put this meltdown on all AB fans in the hope that you guys won't put anything Mark Keohane says on us.
For balance, I present a few counter point to the rubbish presented in the 1st segment here:
- nothing wrong with the bunker system, it agreed with the panelists that it should stay yellow (I disagree by the way, but I know it's contentious)
- the game took so long because the ABs continually transgressed due to pressure. the issue is not the referee and TMO, but the transgressions and their inability to handle that pressure within the laws.
- the ABs weren't dominated because they played with 14 men. they played with 14 men because the were dominated.
On the other hand: everything that could have gone wrong did and if Richie slotted that penalty, who knows how the momentum would have changed.
Bottomline: I hope the ABs management don't have this approach, because denial is not a goog coaching strategy and we're all hoping they bounce back and represent the Southern Hemisphere as we know they can. Hoping they wipe the floor with the French, but worried if this panel is a reflection of the mindset.
Good luck and massive respect to all AB fans (except Goldie).
Jeff Wilson is deep in his feelings😂😂😂 I know a loss like that must hurt but his take on Scott Barrett is delusional, in fact to focus on anything else besides how abysmal the All Blacks were is delusional.
That's y I don't often listen to these clowns..if they lose its always an excuse 😂😂
Apart from the springboks that cry for every thing if they lose.
@@vivianmenas2116 lol..still salty.. u just chokers man..admit it..th ok s WC again..jus wait n see
@@chicky86-bu3poyou forget Rasies 1hour video. You forget how you rate the reffs at all the rugby shows when you lose. 😂
Great win Boks. As your coach said. No World Cup points for it though. As for chokers the ABS are the only team to have won back to back so we will see who chokes or not.
Jeff doing smoke and mirrors trick here - we were out played! Don’t look for excuses and blame ref and other teams. We should have been better!
So much smoke even you got high
How on earth does Jeff defend Scott's cheap shot?
Ridiculous!
SA went down to 14men for 65mins against France (who were ranked 1 at the time on an 11 game unbeaten run) and only lost by 4 points.
Away from home too, this was a "neutral" venue to some degree. SA looked better than France that day.
With a try that had more movements than a role watch. It should never have been allowed.
@@watkinsrory👍👍👍👍👍
@@watkinsrorydon’t try to make or showing excuses
@titranex I didn't. I just said one of the tries was awarded even though there were several moments on the ground. Where is the excuse?
That was basically all self delusional lies from about 3 minutes in.
Jeezuz, the whining is insane. A whole show about the ref and the rules. NZ not liking the rules because it doesn't suit their game. As a spectator I loved every minute and the Boks scored 5 tries. How is that boring JK??? For once the ABs didn't get away with murder at the breakdown and now you keep crying. True ABs supporters have been congratulating the Boks on a good performance. Goldie used to deliver an unbias opinion, sadly this has changed. I normally can't wait for this show to air but this will probably be the last time. What a shame. Good luck with your team for the WC. Go Bokke!!!!
and do you moan at your own SA shows when the abs demolish the boks and they are "whining" about the game - move on mate if you dont like it get back to your own rugby shows im sure they are swinging from the rafters
The average SA fan is actually very self critical. Yes we moan at the red or how you bend the rules. But we don't ask for them to be changed we just get on with it. I've always respected and enjoyed All Black rugby. But I'm seeing a pattern that when I was a young boy and my father explained the All Blacks are professional cheaters... I finally see more of that. They know how to bend the rules of the game. They just usually so good no one questions it. But the moment they lose the supporters want rules changed?
@@myshepspud1 so is the average nz punter very self-critical when the abs loses - your SA rugby commentators can equally be whinging about the ref and tmo - nz is no different from other countries when it comes to the sport commentators moaning but do not equate that is how the whole country thinks
And SA dont bend the rules,LMAO.@@myshepspud1
Trust me, you Bokke were not exactly gracious in defeat during RC. Stop patronising.
This is sore loserism at its finest. How often is a rugby game actually 80 minutes long? This panel was bothered by the length of this game because the All Blacks were behind the entire time.
As an English fan I am pleased that we could at least provide the Kiwis with some light relief, because my God they needed it judging by the punditry here 😅
"Let's not take anything away from the Boks" as they spend half the episode taking everything away from the Boks 😂
Eggsektly!
A few years ago people were complaining when the referee made on the field incorrect quick decisions. So World rugby brought in an extra process to help the game be more fair. Now people are complaining this process is a problem? What do you guys want? Rugby is more safe, and fair than ever, but still a hardcore contact sport. Let's be proud of how far Rugby development has come.
As a SAFFA I want to say we are still standing side to side with our Kiwi Rugby brothers. Watching Savea & Cole’s talk afterwards I genuinely feel for you guys. We’ve all been there. Stay strong we still believe you will smash France and this could still be a SA NZ final. Yellow card: A year ago Barrett did the same against Aus.. It was a cheap shot guys. Move on & focus, the new rules/TMO situation is for safety and if we did the same you guys would agree. This was just one night of Rugby and a whole RWC still ahead - You’ll bounce back support Fossie and your boys loads of love and respect from the purists in South Africa
Speak for yourself, a lot of South Africans can't stand them. I would rather support Nigeria before supporting them.
@@Alias-gy3tz good for you buddy.. You do you and I’ll remember it’s a sport that I love and a moer of an honour wearing the green & gold and sharing a field with them from over a century of history between us. If you’ve shared some beers with some of the Boks and Kiwi players you’ll quickly realise how much we all have in common.
@@Alias-gy3tz👈 thank fk this guy doesn't represent your typical Kiwi rugby fan.
As a Springbok fan I have so much respect for the All Blacks. One of best teams if all time. 6-2 split is ok for All Blacks but Springboks get criticised. Scott Barret fouls but it's the ref is at fault. The game is 107 mins and it's Springboks fault - panel forgets about fouls and penalties coming from All Blacks leading to scrums and lineups. I always enjoy the commentary from this channel - can the panelists keep it that way and NO excuses please.
Hit the nail the on the head 😂 Their world AB can never do anything wrong.
You've got to be kidding me!! Are you guys wearing blinkers? Barrets clean was reckless and dirty off the ball while all Jeff's super fast examples were cleaning people that was on their feet and going for the ball. Get real kiwis
So glad that there’s a plethora of balanced Rugby channels out there who saw things differently. The rest of the world watched a great spectacle of rugby, where the ABs were monstered by the arch enemy. ABs were outsmarted in all areas, from players all the way to management. The bokke mixed things up superbly. The 7:1 split that the panel is complaining about was a master stroke by the bokke management. Check mate. Play to your strengths and the scoreboard proved it. Scott Barrett had to resort to thuggery and cheap shots to try make some sort of contribution, the same way Mike Tyson had to resort to biting the opponents ear after being owned by Evander Holyfield. Goldies example of the bokke clean out on Dane Coles is not objective. DC is on his feet competing for the ball, as opposed to MM who was lying on the ground defenceless when the ruck was already over. You can’t compare the two. Talking about efficient use of time. The panel spent more than 30mins of a 50min show wining about the ref. Thats more than 60% of the show, yet you want to complain about the game being a drag? Take it on the chin boys. Lick your wounds and like true warriors, fair play to your rival. The bokke respected your “Kapa O Pango” challenge to a duel. They got you this time. Show some mutual respect.
South Africa has quite the tradition of biting ears, literally.
@@jimmycccc We have literally less tradition of biting ears than All Black players have of beating women....
@@Karma-qt4ji tell me more.
@@Karma-qt4ji are you referring to your team as being made up of women? I disagree. Your team is made up of men, whom we have beaten many times. And have also lost to.
@@jimmycccc What are you on about? I am South African.
This “abomination” was a great spectacle for Rugby. Twickenham was absolutely rocking, absolutely buzzing. Total tools.
As an AB fan I am always respectful of our Saffa mates. No disrespect from what I saw, just a massive effort to put that performance into context. Boks v AB's is best v best and we are not THAT far off. We proved that when we won the rugby championship. Fine margins. Great performance by the Bokkies....we tend to panic, as a nation when the AB's lose that badly, but guess what, I'm still putting money on the AB's to win this WC (just not my house LoL) ;-P Keep smiling people no matter who you support. Bring it on, this world cup is going to be a wild ride!
As a Springbok fan I admire the loyalty towards your team. Fans who stick by their teams even through the losses are the real ones. I know I've sticked with the Boks even through the worst of games (heck even in the game where you chaps beat us 57-0)
ABs don't like when the laws of the game are applied. Colour me shocked!
So what these pundits are effectively requesting is that the laws of the game are in fact ignored so that the game can flow and their team can play the game as they like, without being stopped. What is going on here??? Surely SA’s pressure caused a multitude of those AB offenses, and did not allow NZ to play their natural game, in the first place! This is in effect, not a lot different than what Saffas have complained of in the past (even though this very same panel criticized any such complaints from them at those times). Making excuses for Scott Barrett’s obviously targeted “clean-out” on a prone Marx, is plain shocking. Wow.
1988 Bledisloe cup, the Australian journos complained that the ABs were the only team that could form a scrum wherever they chose, not the referee. More importantly, they pointed out that the ABs entered the breakdown from the side as often as they liked and even took out players in front of the ball. In the intervening years people have watched them play the man, obstruct and commit side entry with absolute impunity. The moment the referee whistles them on it, they struggle to adapt. Then they want refereeing to change. They're a good team and shouldn't need to rely on the carte blanche the referees have given them for years.
Cant believe the sprinbok suporters are complaining. The forget Rasies 1hour long video and the fans crying every week about refs. Even rating the reffs after every game when they loose. I stay in south africa and i no what im talking about.
@@powerbite92 They are serial cheaters, we all know that. If they have to play within the rules, they lose. Richie McCheat was the worst, he got away with murder.
@@vivianmenas2116 His video was justified. You lot complain for not being allowed to play dirty! Sies man! I have no time for you lot.
noone cares about the law of the game until now, go watch nz v france 2007 last 10mins.
rugby is black, white and grey, its the flow of the game that defines rugby from american football lawyers to rugby union.
noone wants lawyer rugby apart from pancake
Guys, just keep in mind. Both teams had the same ref, TMO. bunker... and subjected to the same reviews etc. Granted it slowed the game down, but I think one of the teams was just not on song this weekend, but they will be back make no mistake. We need to keep the cup in southern hemisphere, so let's make it happen!
Omw, as a South African, this episode gives me IMMENSE pleasure. 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Wow! The AB fans and most commentators have been so gracious in defeat and we all know as the greatest team of all time, the AB’s will come back as strong as ever. It therefore blows my mind that this crew are suggesting bad refereeing and that Barret’s clean out should not even be a yellow card!!! You sir are saying it is ok to dive on a player, lying on the ground, leading with your shoulder. Let me tell you, if your version of the rules means the Springboks could charge in like that and not get yellow, half the field would go off on a stretcher, or even worse. Shame on you!
Agree - I think they didn’t give credit to a worthy win by SA, except for JK much later on - bless him.
This is going to be a tough world cup all blacks cant give away penalties against france
Bro, hit the play button of reality before commenting, you even read
I am sorry Jeff, but you must have been watching another game. He dropped the shoulder and went directly for Malcolm.
The Boks were planning for 2023 since 2018. We are happy about 2019, but that was not planned.2020, we played zero games due to our government restrictions, 2021 was the British and Irish Lions series and we had to hit our strides from the get-go. After that we were building. We built depth, we gave players opportunities, we focused on combinations, we did everything in our power to make sure by the time of the 2023 world cup, we will be the best that we have ever been. We left lots of points out there this weekend. The best of this team is yet to come when it really matters. These pundits will see the true potential of this team vs Scotland and Ireland. The Boks were far from their best. They also took their foot off the pedal the last 10 minutes which were disappointing. In my mind the Boks were the always favourites, yes, I am biased, of course, but I know the power of a World Cup for us and we have 2 of the best coaches in the world coaching this team. I am looking forward to the next 2 months.
helps when everything goes right from the beginning where your guy "gets injured" to not give away a penalty. Half time coulda been 14-7 only and then with 14 men you could see how many times they were able to take advantage of that. France to beat SA in the 1/4s. Don't forget about 57-0 and the comeback SA made from that so easily. Some days things dont' go your way and you'll see that next game. All the 'as a bok fan' commentators in this thread will be telling us all how the referee decided their fate vs France and not the fact they got beaten fair and square
@@BassmentProductionsSpringboks battered the ABs 15v15 and 14V14. Bow down to South African Rugby because they will be winning the world cup. Even the backlne outplayed the ABs om Friday, 20 year old opened you up like a can of worms. Springboks put you under pressure, accept it.
First time in history South Africa will have a difficult run to the final outside of a home tournament. If you win it you will deserve it.
@@paddyanglais91 first Difficult run? Lets see 1995 they had Australia, France and the ABs. 2007 They had Samoa, Argentina and England, England beat france aho you couldbt beat and went on to beat the ABs 3 games in a row after that. 2019 They had Japan who defeated Scotland, Ireland and Wales who were the best NH team in 2019, they also beat England who battered the ABs and beat the ABs every year since winning the world cup, beat the ABs two games in a row and just gave the ABs their biggest defeat in history and beat the B&I lions who the ABs of 2017 couldnt even do so they have proven themselves to be world champions.
Nah, no one is back to back beating the top 4 teams at 5he moment. Any one who can manage that feat is winning the WC.
Every neutral fan and pundit has reacted the same way to the Barrett cheap shot, this panel however, seems to think it was okay. Says a lot about how they are used to NZ getting away with this kind of thing.
Amen Brother
For years refs have been going soft on the ABs with regards to foul play .
Hopefully the Barrett incident will put an end to this .
No! Don’t twist it - the point is: does a clean out that initially hits an opposition should THEN a head of someone else - is it really foul play? If so it will happen to a lot of teams this cup
The issue is the player was on the ground not even contesting the ball@@nzfreeski
@@nzfreeski That is far from the issue brother. he came off his feet to "clean out" a player who wasnt even contesting at the breakdown. this was clear malicious intent and a stupid mistake by Barret cause he lost his head.
Kiwi's complaining about reffing? thought that was strictly allocated to the saffa's
LOL
More of a saffa thing then anything else,ABs beat boks more than losing to them 😊
Boks have more success at world cups. We've played in 1 less than you@@ManaBrown-vw4sp
Yeah bro what the heck is going on ?
Hehe, classic chirp!
The only person 'taking a dive' was Scott Barrett on Marx's head on the ground.
It was a stop start game due to ill discipline and mistakes by the AB's. Nothing to do with Springboks play and the ref.
Fiji is ranked 7th now above australia and wales, their best ever ranking. I hope they keep going in this direction when Fiji meets these two countries at the world cup.
Beating England on home soil Yeah keep going great for rugby 🇫🇯go🇫🇯
Watch out for Fiji and Samoa
As a saffa I’ll be backing Fiji and Samoa to use that pacific island power to dash the dreams of everyone in the north. Go boys!
From a south african supporter we LOVE FIJI and hope they have an outstanding world cup
Eventhough we literally play everywhere, I am immensely proud of SH.. Go Fiji ✌🇿🇦
Im neither Kiwi nor South African, but I love rugby. All the panel did apart from the interviews was whinge. I thought we would get some Rugby analysis. But No. All they did was complain about the ball in play time and the bunker. New Zealand would have lost that match even if they had 16 players on the pitch. You need to start facing reality and carry out an objective analysis of why you lost the match. The All Blacks were outplayed in almost every area of the pitch. Get over yourselves... By the way, I thought it was a Red Card every day of the week!
I agree with you
Only thing red are your knees.
In front of your boss asking for pay rise 😅😅😅
Never knew the psychiatric ward allowed you near the internet..
@@kimjongun269I see your knees are very red 😂
@@melthenning9140 aww lol
I saw many neutral pundits praising the ABs and the NZ supporters for the class way they took the defeat. They would change their minds watching this. Unbelievable!
Great to hear the New Zealanders grasping at straws. Go Bokke 👍 💪
I remember how this panel bashed Rassie about his rants on referees, funny how after they lose they're the ones discussing ref mistakes.
EXACTLY!
Rassie was first to expose the Ref inconsistency - but the world shut him up (incl NZ) - now *THEY* whine & moan!
Rassie is a visionary - he's been planning RWC23 directly after RWC19!
When Rassie was complaining about consistency he was critisized by this panel. Now it seems the boot is on the other foot, but when it was SA they said it's sour grapes. Who are the cry babies now?
Who could have guessed ?
Kiwis complaining about the ref 🥹
Jeff Wilson: “That’s the best the Boks can play.”
That wasn’t even their best team 15😂
I can't believe these guys only now realize that the refs are costing teams games. Rassie have been complaining about the inconsistencies for years now, he even suffered a ban. These blokes laughed at Rassie but now they are crying. Their hypocricy is unbelievable.
Good point!
Interesting, ive hated the bastards for many years.
balance is needed but bs is bs
Great point
You do realise that penalties waste time and the All Blacks kept at it after referee warned them multiple times?
They must be watching a different game to me, because Barrett clearly made contact with the head and there was nothing wrong with those Springbok clearouts. I'm not SA, by the way
This show is an embarrassment. Biased, lacking class, intelligence and insight. As a South African I have nothing but respect and admiration for NZ rugby. They have been our greatest and most consistent competitors (never mind likely the most successful rugby nation of all time). Although the All Blacks were well and truly beaten on Saturday, no SA fan is under the illusion that on any other given day they could have put 30 past us (like they did a couple weeks ago). That is what makes these clashes so special. The true rivalry, competition and respect. This entire panel however has once again shown disrespect to not only the Springboks but also the great rivalry with the ABs that South Africans hold so dearly. The All Blacks had an off day. They were punished. Blaming refs etc is in poor taste and detracts from valid arguments that may improve our beautiful game and its officiating. The All Blacks are a brilliant, well coached side that have the talent and leadership to come back and potentially win the world cup however if this panel is any reflection of NZ rugby leadership/management then they may in fact be in more trouble than initially thought (fortunately I do not think this is the case). Stop making excuses and belittling a competitor who has never belittled you. Time for this panel to reflect the gracious and intelligent attitude of their fan base. Thanks for reading my incredible amount of bitching and complaining😂 I feel better😂
As a bok fan im really disappointed at the comments made by Goldie. He had so many excuses for how the boks spoiled the game. Sure the game was long, sure there was a lot of stoppages but look at the handling errors by the AB's
You cant talk about a flowing game and speeding it up when you have so many resets caused by your own team. Secondly im a big Barret fan but taking a cheap shot like that, remember he does have a history of red cards. Sir John Kirwan, lots of respect for your comments. At least someone appreciate what the boks accomplished.
Goldie is off the mark with most of his comments. I don’t listen to anything he has to say .
Amen, a week ago he was "cock-a-hoop" now whining like a pansy, really disappointing, tell you this for free, Jeff has always been a critic of the boks, never find his "grudging" commentary believable, disappointing as he is a great "former" player
As a New Zealander and proud All Blacks fan - we were definitively and soundly beaten by a smarter, stronger and more disciplined side in the Bokke.
Everyone knows Eng refs are conservative and pedantic.
Players have to adapt to the ref and the panel openly discussed SBs frustration and the "red mist."
That's a lack of dicipline and focus, no other excuse. At this level its dumb play plain and simple.
I must have been watching different show. In mine, Goldie praised SA for their game and merely questioned the ref and bunker!
As a fan of the breakdown I'm quite disappointed at this panel. Cleaning a guy on the head who's not stealing a ball nor in the way? How is that okay?
As a fan of plowing your mother, im quite dissapointed in you @sakkiekibido1665
Using head to clean a guy out has always been the way to go
It is sad man barret try to be the hard msn for the all blacks but hegoing about it the wrong way.
As a South African fan...
It's so interesting to see this panel trying to shape the narrative.
We see what you are doing there 😉
Big respect too our old foes...
We play our type of rugby, you play your type of rugby.
When our coaches tried to bring in your type of style into SA rugby... we lost to the ABs by more than 50 points.
Don't try and change the game, just because you have had a big loss.
Love the show.
7-1 split suits us just fine. That’s the way we like to play. Boring rugby ? Not after scoring 5 tries. Show respect 🇿🇦🇿🇦 This time the ref was not buying into the AB’s constant infringements
He actually did buy into their usual foul tactics because the penalty count in ABs 22 were 8 with only one yellow! Two yellows the whole game where one was actually straight red! Gave them a lineout where Matt T clearly knocked on before going into touch and never noticed the offsides and blocking lines at their lineout, not to mention the scrum penalty where ABs went to ground first. If the ABs were to be reffed correctly this scoreline would be a regular occurrence.
Some of the 50/50 cleanouts the guys highlighted are in instances of genuine competition at the ruck. Barretts play was idiotic because it was a completely unnecessary shot on a guy lying on the ground at a ruck which wasn't even being competed for. It was the type of thing Bakkies Botha used to do...but these days you risk reds for it.
I think it must be especially difficult for past players to see their team lose like this. But honestly, the couple of shows prior to this didn't include complaining about the current laws and approach to refereeing, why now? I'd say its to rationalise and deal with a 35-7 loss?
Exactly
Sounds about right to me!
Very well said. Not a good look. They spent the first 5 minutes of the show complaining about the ref and insinuating that the boks made the game boring. No mention of how dominant the boks were before the cards either.
The boks scored 5 tries and are being criticised for not scoring more.
Oh my….im so glad I deleted my comments I was typing. Because your comments are spot on.
No debate outclassed out thought by the Springboks Congratulations to the Springboks .Stop the crying into your pint Goldie.
So basically they want refs to ignore the ABs infringing because it "takes away from the game." ABs have been lying on the ball and clearing out past the ruck for years, they get called out for it ONCE and now the ref is suddenly an issue. Interesting.
As a south african i will say if NZ can take anything away from this game is defending with 13 on the field was amazing
So, it's the clashing of two rugby worlds: AB's like the running, open play, hand to hand ball passing game. The Boks will be strong in the set pieces and actually, when unleashed, their backline is potent. It's about who excutes better on the day.
jeff wilson has some shocking takes here,
Was waiting for this episode. Goldie has lost it. As a senior player, barret should know better. He took a cheap shot on a player on the floor.
100%
Yeah he always makes excuses grasping for things to blame he turns into a negative whining Oldman when the ABs lose 🤦
The massive occasion got to Scott Barretts head and it exploded 🤯 hitting a ruck hard wen the players were no threat all laying on the ground is just dumb Barrett has an I.Q of a ram 🐏 🤦
yea they were happy to pile on farrel last week, which was also a deserved red, these guys are such sore losers.
100%
What I heard John Kirwin say “when the ref actually blows our infractions we can’t play good”.
Imagine that Barrett clean out was from Bakkies Botha or Eben Etzebeth, Hansen and Wilson would go nuts saying how dirty he is... And the selective reasoning (examples) Marx was lying down, away from the ball. His examples were actually jacklers with their hands on the ball competing. Cleaning out someone on the ball is different to diving on a player lying flat on the ground.
I was so impressed about how well the AB coaching staff and players had taken this loss. As a Saffa we know enough about ref controversy, but for the presenters (Jeff speaking to you here) to start the show focusing solely on all the cards felt a bit like sour grapes. Specificslly Barrets RED, sorry Marx was off his legs on the ground with no right to the ball, he was in the process of disengaging from the break down and the ball was available to the ABs, for Scott to go off his feat to the head/kneck/sholder area was a wreckless cheap shot! Just because he may have hit the sholder first does not take away from it being a cheap wreckless shot. I also sense that marx was not necessaryily in pain, but angered by it being a wreckless cheap shot that could have been so much worse. I am also amused that all reports from out side of New Zealand concur with my sentiment, that it wad wreckless and cheap ... All noise from within New Zealand is that it was harsh and it should not have been a yellow and the resulting red. That in its self tells a story! Suck it up boys, you will be better against France!
Yup this has panel has completely lost the plot. Not used to refs reffing them like they have been reffing everybody else. And I am sorry, but since the whole world turned on Rassie when he was trying to expose the refs issues, NO TEAM can complain about refs. The thing people missed was Rassie was not specifically moaning that it happened to the boks, he was trying to highlight how refs can stuff up a game with no accountability. All every other coach needed to do was to shut up and let rassie fight the fight on behalf of them, or even better, back rassie
Because it was a meaningless game SA can have those 😂
@@NZ4Life-cy8hv well, apart from the fact that it was the biggest loss in ABs history, yeah I guess it was meaningless
@@craigweideman6194 not hard to do that against 13 14 players should've got over 50
@@craigweideman6194 SA never ever do that to NZ 15 on 15
pundits seem very salty about this calling it an abomination, I was there and i was a great watch
I have been a fan of boks since i was a little kid and i have alway had nothing but total respect of the ABs and their fans. This show has tarnished that respect.
Fully agree. As a bok myself, utmost respect for AB fans and players and even the Breakdown is one of my favourite shows to watch but this episode was definitely not classy. The All Blacks will bounce back after this: I feel for the teams that are in their pool in the RWC.
As a South African and Bok supporter I have the utmost respect for the All Blacks. And I can say with confidence that all South Africans feel the same. You are our nemesis. No team has beaten us more. And no team has beaten the AB more than the boks. It's a rivalry that I hope never changes. But this show has just spat on that rivalry and in doing so has shown total disrespect to both teams. I'm sorry the AB fans had to watch this even more than I am sorry the bok fans had to. And to the AB I am sure you will bounce back from this. France are worried more now than what they were a week ago. Because now you are not complacent. Dear All Blacks. Win your pool. We will win ours. I doubt Ireland will stop the boks. Not in a RWC game. And we will settle this again in the final which we all been longing for since 1995.
NZ media simply cannot handle not getting their way. Kiwis are great people but their sports media is as small time as it comes.
The AB's were beaten 5 tries to 1 on the day, I'm pretty sure this panel found the game too long, I found it quite enjoyable, I wished it could go on for another hour or two 😃
Right??!😂😂They're on about,"it's boring for the fans..." and all that sore loser talk,yet that was one of the most engaging games I've watched in a while
Man! I totally agree - I dunno where this perception comes from that "the fans" find it boring?? Nonsense.
Rugby is a high impact contact sport but it's evolved into so much more than that becoming a multi-faceted game of strategy and player and official management. It's a highly regulated environment where smart coaches (read: RassNaber) go so far as to appoint full time referees to consult on rules and technical compliance. The average professional rugby player has to be a bloody academic on top of being a warrior.
Personally, I find it fascinating to watch teams compete intelligently within the framework and when a brilliant team like the AB's consistently misstep and themselves cause the stop start situation they have to ask themselves some serious questions. Up-tempo rugby suits them for sure but in this case they were the authors of their own misery.
Thing is - those guys are intelligent and will look at what they did, adapt and bounce back, no doubt. Good luck for France AB's!
Yeah, I woke up at 04:30 to watch the game and I was wide awake throughout! Hahaha!
I saw an article written by Gregory Paul where he does a multipage winge about the tragedy done to the global rugby fraternity as a result of the bunker refs, pedantry, etc during this match. While I read it, I couldn't help but think that there is no chance in hell this article would've seen the light of day had the abs beat the boks 35-7.
Embarrassed by what I've heard on the show today. (I'm an all black fan and was at the game). We need to take it when we loose and that was the most honest to god loss I've ever seen. These excuses are just beneath us guys.
If you're on a yellow card you have to be more careful in your tackling, clean-outs etc. Barrett's diving in on top of Marx was crazy.
Should have been a red gents let's be honest
If Red was what he deserved, he should of actually done damage; have you even tried to get off the couch recently?
Scott barret was totally cynical, ans deserved red. The panel is meant to be professional, not emotional.
Deserved a Red by virtue of getting two yellows, but not for not for malicious play. His first yellow was a team warning.
Your mother deserved a red, but you dont hear us looking at the TMO.
@TheTwelfthRed Sick burn 👍
After taking the biggest defeat in history, even us Boks fans wouldn’t be whining as much as this lot. From the ref, to the bunker system, to the pace, to Bill Beaumont, everyone was to blame but the ABs. Just surprised they didn’t include global warming.
It was great watching the ABs finally being as penalised as we normally are, and realising it’s not so lekker, ne. It wasn’t such a problem when it happened to us in Mount Smart now was it. Only difference is we had the guts to not roll over and fought back.
Also loved the “this is the best the Boks can play” chirp. Like that spoilt kid in class not getting his way. Well, let’s see shall we.
And then the defence of the indefensible Scott Barrett “not making head contact”. Lol! I presume Malcolm needed that head bandage to keep his hair back.
This really was a disgrace from TBD team, with such little respect paid to a team that annihilated their beloved ABs. Will definitely be supporting Les Bleus in a few days time.
As a Saffa, I don’t mind these guys being one eyed in what happened. It is their show, and they can air their opinions.
We need the AB’s to beat 🇫🇷
Lol be for real Jeff Wilson, how can you excuse that clean out?
This shows gone from bad to worst
You obviously mean; from bad to worse. Right?
I know grammer and meaning isnt everything, but come on.
Just for you ill give you some advice; never trust a salesman that sells his own people for profit.
Comprehensive win by Springboks. NZ pundits sour grapes speak volumes. Take it on the chin boys
As a South African this show and commentary is degrading. When we lost with 50 points, we didn't make excuses, we played bad and that was it. All I hear is excuses and belittle the beautiful game our Boks played. I also think that the review system eliminates all the complains about the refs, there was 2 tries that was disallowed because the reviews and the ref did not pick this up. It was through the review systems which assist with eliminating points that are being scored because of mistakes of refs. Discussed with this show.
Lol I love how much time was dedicated to the the refs, tmo's and bunkers in a record defeat..but lets not take anything away from the Springboks 😅. Just a small tip..if you dont want to bring the ref into the game..don't give the ref a reason to. Cards and ref's aside..think the All blacks were just shell shocked by the ntensity and the verocity dished up. Similar to the semi final exit to England. All Blacks seem to melt and wilt when they dont get their way. You could see it the players eyes after 10 minutes already.
The ABs will certainly come good at the World Cup but the Barrett clear out was a straight red. There is a worrying trend amongst NZ pundits to minimise dangerous head contact. Players' brain health is more important than the game.
As a New Zealand supporter, we have to give credit, when credit is due. South Africa were very dominant and gave the AB's a sharp lesson on the fundamentals of the game. No excuses, we were clearly beaten by a better team on the day. I personally think that this is probably the best thing to happen to the AB's. It'll motivate them to get back with the program, back to the fundamentals and be the dangerous team that they normally are. Rest assure they'll be back bigger, stronger and more focused.
35:09 The saltiness is world class here 😂
1 long injury to Lomax, 4 yellow cards, 2 disallowed tries - that's why the game was so slow. When the ball was in play, both teams did try to play ball a fair bit. Yes the Boks scored with their forwards and via turnovers, but the Boks also made clean breaks, and ran from inside their twenty two - as did the ABs. I think both teams' players tried to make it a real game.
Hey Jeff Wilson… how is diving at someone lying on the ground a ruck clean out?Jeff you know as we all do that was just mindless thuggery, if that’s not red nothing is.
Why is everyone getting so obsessed about the length of the games? We would all rather have the right refereeing decision and I think we will be happy to have a beer and enjoy a fair contest. Go and watch that rubbish sport rugby League or basketball if it bothers you. The journalist on the panel has no interest in fair decision making.
I cannot believe that as a true rugby fan....You would want a rugby match to finish as quickly as possible. The Breakdown brings people to the studio...and these people say " I couldnt wait for the game to end so that I can go shopping"......Of course when you are losing badly you will want to change the channel. That is no rocket science.
Its pathetic. So the ref and tmo called them on the things they normally get away with... as for the time... how long was Lomax on the ground because injury... how many times did all blacks slow the game down and give away penalties cause they could not take the pressure. None of what they are saying was the refs fault. They werent in the game. But we all know they will be back. And this rivalry will not end here. Good luck Nz.
@@Silenttarget Nothing but the truth.....They are pushing an agenda.
On a more positive note ... kudos to the ABs for taking on the really really important mental health platform. With our boys, it's about Unity and Sport as a vehicle for change. It's always worthy of respect when a team has a purpose as well as winning 💚💛✌🇿🇦
Hahaha, I see you’re keeping it classy guys 🤣🤣🤣
Especially the old lady with the broadrimmed glasses 🤌