The Useless Red Navy
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The Soviet Navy that fought in WW2 was a small (comparatively however on a larger scale than the kriegsmarine) in 1941, but with losses and fall in wartime production, dwindled rapidly; Nevertheless she was still an asset that Stalin used at best in the black sea and the Baltic until 1945. Riverine forces, of all these, were probably the most heavily involved into the fight due to the abundance of large rivers and tributaries from where they can operate from.
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"Do a Napoleon." Great statement.
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It’s worth noting that Leningrad was saved - in part - by the Soviet Navy. The two battleships stationed in the Baltic Fleet conducted bombardment operations against the Wehrmacht, which slowed down their advance and brought additional time for the Red Army to prepare their defensive works.
Got in early! If you're checking the comments right away, I really enjoy listening to your channel at work. The tone and pacing of your voice works really well with the content you make.
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When you look at the early years of WWll (1939-1942/43) it's amazing we won in the end. The Axes was really kicking ass then.
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11:10 is no one going to talk about how the ussr strapped a t34 turret on a boat💀💀
I mean they made over 80,000 T-34s I'm sure they had a lot of turrets laying around lmao
@@joshuabonilla3491 your not wrong🤣🤣
Very interesting video! One thing you could have mentioned with the fleets is that the Soviets suffered a HUGE blow when German dive bombers hit and sank the old WWI-era battleship Murat in port early on in their invasion. It sounds like the Soviet Navy DID have some significant role, one victory newsreel the USSR put out in 1945 features sailors and officers from the Baltic fleet who, the government claimed, had helped break the infamous Siege of Leningrad (they marched alongside the Red Army in the huge Moscow victory parade). I'm not sure if it was real or inflated for propaganda, but after listening to your video...maybe there WAS some real truth to it.
Oh yeah Soviet newsreel is the great source, because they never lie.😂
Seriously tho. Performance of Soviet NAVY during WW2 was lackluster to put it mildly. (Second only to Soviet strategic bombers.). In the far north they never opposed Krigsmarine, in the Baltic failed to crush Finns (in fact that was Finnish NAVY with no capital ships at all who's blocked SU NAVY in the Gulf of Finland), in Black sea failed to defeat Romanians(see raid on Constanza(sp?)), tho in numbers, on paper, they should have, and easily. Numbers also tell the story that by tonnage there were some Krigsmarine U-boats sank comparable tonnage of warships and shipping, PER UNIT, as ENTIRE 'Glorious Red NAVY'.
Gadfly here 🤫. The Russo-japan war of 1904-1905 is all you need to discuss, concerning Russian naval aptitude.🥶😶🌫️
Not really, no.
You have to basically ignore everything else prior to that in order to come to a negative conclusion.
Reddit moment
The Russian empire and USSR where different beasts. Naval operations again northern japan and in eastern China are notable.
Awesome!
Thank you 🙏
Gadfly here 🙁. Are you saying that the Russian don’t brag. Is that why they don’t speak on this issue.🥶😶🌫️
Rooski!
during ww2 my fathers navy LST picked up 3 navy PT bosts in san francisco ad delivered them to russian navy crews waiting in seattle, wa. ii wonder where they went after then ?
To barents sea in Arctic! Then they were very useful at the end of war to hunting ships carrying nazi criminals running on them to Germany! All military ammunition that was not destroyed in battles was given back to USA, instead of those that was like a present.
Performance of Soviet NAVY during WW2 was lackluster to put it mildly. (Second only to Soviet 'strategic' bombers.). In the far north they never seriosly opposed Krigsmarine, in the Baltic failed to crush Finns (in fact that was Finnish Nаvy with no capital ships at all who's blocked holed up SU Navy in the Gulf of Finland), in Black sea failed to defeat Romanians(see raid on Constanza(sp?)), tho in numbers, on paper, they should have, and easily. Numbers also tell the story that by tonnage there were some Krigsmarine U-boats inflicted comparable damage, by tonnage sank, to Allied warships and shipping, PER UNIT, as ENTIRE 'Glorious Red Navy' to Axis.
Russian had the first airborne troops... but didn't have parachutes! They just flew low slow and stupid and the troops jumped out over water. Look it up im not lying
When mentioning the battle for the Atlantic you forgot to mention the role of Canadians had.
It's always like that.
@@vincentlefebvre9255 don't I know it. Look at Vimy Ridge, D-Day Italy Northern Europe there's barely anything written about the Canadians
They do have the world record for sinking a ship with the highest loss of human lives ever. April 45?
The Wilhelm Gustloff,which was torpedoes by a Soviet Submarine(S-13 i believe) off the Coast of East Prussia with a loss of aproximaly 9,000 lives, of which 8,500 were civilian.
The fact the US refused back all of the destroyers and DE and whatever else they gave them in the lead up to the potential invasion of Japans mainland, tells you everything you need to know. lol.
They took such shitty care of them, and in some cases efen tore them apart hoping to learn some stuff, we didn’t even want the ships back. We were like “woah… wha…. The…. Just keep ‘em” lol
We did that with most of the lend-lease equipment sent to other nations. We didn’t want all of the older destroyers we gave the British because they were older destroyers.
We shouldn't have given them shit or even been in that damm war
@@user-sm9us7rb9c we shouldn’t have been at war with, Japan? After they attacked Pearl Harbor? And what would you suggest we have done instead?
@@MatthewChenault the British also bought a lot of their equipment from us… it wasn’t a “lend and give back” why do you think the British didn’t finish paying their debt to the US for ww2 until just several years ago? It wasn’t because we “leased” them stuff.
Not like it really mattered anyway, half of our ww2 fleet was sold to nations by the end of the 50s
@@PhillinFreeTime, so, you refute your own argument with a nonsensical reason.
Who killed more Russian Hitler or Starlin Starlin
Russia has never been known as a naval force. I guess having very little year round warm water port will do that. Plus given Russia geographical region having a big army would make more sense. Where the USA and Britain made more sense to invest more in a navy
Russia was one of the great naval powers of Europe from 1718 to 1855. They won many victories, for very few defeats (even then, only of her rowing boats, not her sailing fleets), against mostly Sweden and the Ottoman Empire during that time, as well as victorious campaigning against Revolutionary France. The fact that you don't know this is not to be confused with actual history.
No change.
As much as different regimes have tried, Imperial Russia, then the USSR and Russia again have never been able to get their collective heads around the idea of a navy and what's actually involved. They have no problem announcing a new class of ships and then building the second one twenty years after the first. Or taking twenty years to even build that first one Maintenance is an afterthought, if it's even given that much attention. And they don't trust enlisted sailors and NCO's with technical operations requiring more officers to perform tasks done by other ranks in other navies.
Well, that is if you ignore everything between 1700-1900 and 1946-1989.
Also, this argument is based on a perception of Russia from the 1990’s; not of the modern nation and its capabilities.
@@MatthewChenault No, It was still pretty much all show and no go! Russia has never been much of a maritime power. Certainly not on the level of Spain, Great Britain and France in the 18th and 19th centuries. And from 1946 to 1989 Russia had a lot of ships, but never on the same level of capability of the US and NATO.
@@MatthewChenault Where is the Kuznetsov? The "modern" Russian navy is losing the war on the Black Sea to a country that has no navy. The "flotilla" it sent to Cuba needed a seagoing tug to accompany it and the submarine gave NATO an excellent recording of its acoustic signature.
@@tamer1773, “it was all show!”
And yet NATO was deathly worried about Russian submarines well into the 1980’s. Most of these perceptions are drawn entirely from a belief that the affair of the Russian Navy from the 1990’s carries through the entirety of the Russian Navy’s history.
In addition, the argument “well, the Russian Navy is _losing_ to a nation with no Navy” is moronic on the face of it. France and Denmark both lost to Germany, even though the Germans didn’t have much of any navy to begin with. The Union struggled to defeat the Confederacy and lost a large number of warships to a nation that did not have much of any navy to begin with. The Allies had struggled against the Germans and lost a large number of warships to Mines during the Great War as well. Norway managed to destroy state-of-the-art German cruisers with heavily outdated equipment.
Just because Ukraine does not have a navy does not mean it is incapable of posing some form of threat to a navy. Just because Russia has lost warships to Ukraine does not mean the Russian navy is terrible either. That sort of argument is a strawman; requiring someone to ignore _everything_ in order to make the argument.
All I can say that the soviet fleet did all the best for the Victory!
Soviet fleet had no chances againist Hitlers pirates, even strongest Royal Navy had a big problems with them! Germans had not only superiority in battleships, they had superiority in small fleet as mine ships destroyers, patrool boats, torpedo boats etc... Small german fleet was very useful in closed theaters with low depths as in soviet front in baltic and black sea theatres. Their fire superiority of their automatic cannons and even 150mm guns was impressive in tactical battles between the islands of Baltic sea (those who played WT fleet battles will understand). ...But guns of Baltic fleet did their job when stopped Werhmacht near Leningrad and prevent the fall of the city and then the whole soviet front...
against the Reds a turnip could have given their navy a fight. Germany also had some horrible ship designs. Their Z class destroyers are often listed as one of the worst designs of WW2. Even their big ships had serious flaws like their Pocket Battleships. German engineering was largely superior but their ships were not an example.
German Krupp guns sank the Blücher.
The fortress Oscarsborg was equipped with 28cm-Krupp guns as well as Whitehead-Torpedos.
The flag of Russia was not the flag of the Soviet Union!!!
So the same inept navy lol
Thanks to the people of the ussr Europa is free today !!
admiral Tribut evacuated from one Soviet harbour of the Baltic region, occupied by the Soviets, over 11 thousands rail road cars full of amunition, after the german atttack ; why they were there, so close to the german border in 1941, the soviets were planning a attack on Germany but the lasts beat the stalinists to the punch? best wishes
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If you wonder why soviet ammunitions was too close to german border ask why the german army was so close to soviet borders? And why borders of Poland became a german border? The problem is that the SU was not ready to war in 1941 and tried to avoid the war in all costs, I dont know where you took that information about the SU was planned to attack germany. That fake information from yellow press speak about documents and secret protocols that never exists in archives!
Prior to 1941 Stalin rejected a proposal from Stavka to place the main supply depots behind the Volga. Stalin decided to place the main depots close to the frontier where they were overrun and/or destroyed (mostly). Please give the source for "11 thousand" RR cars comment. Seems high given the limited rail network in the Baltics
@@surf7lakemich1 I DONT REMEMBER, BUT THOSE 11 K OF RAIL CARS WERE IN THAT BALTIC HARBOUR, NOT SURE THAT THEY WERE BROUGHT BY RAIL, BUT PROBABLY BY SHIP; AND RAIL CARS MIGHT BE THE QUANTITY, LIKE 20 , OR 40 OR 60 TONS OF AMUNITION PER RAIL CAR. BEST OF WISHES.
What are you talking about? Soviet Navy was excellent!
Of course they are crap on the sea, their home are asian steppes.
And what's wrong with "Asian steppes"?
Don't forget, they have forged one of the largest empires ever known to mankind, with an estimated of one in every five humans alive carrying their direct gene code. More, if you extend the definition of that phrase
Why do you have to have the music so loud, makes the voice over hard to understand for those of us with hearing impairments.
Use captions, it’s what they’re there for
@@geo.m1639 Just unsubscribed.
I will adjust the volume of it in all future videos, appreciate the feedback and you watching :) Have a great week!
oh, welp lol
At 10:03- 10:06, your imprecise and poorly chosen wording implies that the Germans made it into Leningrad. I hope you know rhat the Germans and their associates besieged and isolated Leningrad for several horrendous years but never were "able to invade that city". At best, tighten up your scripts up to avoid misleading viewers. At worst, avoid committing serious errors if you want to cover history.
People forget that the Russians were on the Germans at the start of the War.
And people also willingly ignore the time when the Western allies support Nazi Germany, with the implicit goal to incite Germany into striking the Soviet