Caesar vs Burnice : Who Offers Better Investment Value in Zenless Zone Zero (ZZZ)
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5:28 Alternatives
9:11 Future Value
12:53 Potential
15:14 F2P Potential
17:11 EODGamer's opinion
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Reality: Both. Both are Good.
"W-Engines for defense are ABSOLUTE trash..." 😂😂😂😂 It's so true tho lol
Yeah if pulling for Caesar you are kind of forced to pull for her weapon as well.
Use a stun weapon with impact@@dragonslayer8984
imagine lose 50/50 and after lose 50/50 for her engine 😂
that's why you pull for Seths W on the current banner if you wanna pull for Caesar
isn't seth's atk% substat?
You explained this so perfectly. I agree with pretty much everything. I thought about some of this already, but you really broke it down in a way for me to think about it more. As an example, I was already considering skipping Caesar for Burnice, and you actually made that sound even more rational. Now I am definitely pulling for her, but I definitely think that Caesar is a really solid character, especially when you compare gameplay styles. We've all got our different combat flavors, so she is a very good pick for people even without her w-engine just because her base utility is already so strong--but the w-engine issue is a huge downside for her.
My only worry is what we get for 1.3. Thankfully, by the time Burnice banner rolls around, we'll have all the information necessary most likely other than a livestream which I can easily wait on before pulling. I am copium for a possible Yanagi banner, so am trying to make sure I can pull her. This is less me strategy pulling like I've been doing so far and purely waifu pulling, but you gotta have one, right? The benefit is I can see her kit by then, and make an informed decision. She might end up actually adding value, but I already know all the places I can put Burnice, and that makes her a very attractive character just purely on gameplay. I also love her design probably the most in the game right now. Might just pull for her anyway, but we'll see
Burnice is way too cute to not pull, best waifu so far. Love her extroverted chaotic energy.
I think i wont ever pull her
Still prefer Tomboy Caesar, she is tthe best
She is our ZZZ March 7
@@kennibal666 Then I definitely don't want her lol
She's just another generic waifu that you're going to forget when a new character show ups
the hot topic is the 4stars
Burnice banner is on fire
literally
Yeah Caesars A-ranks are so meh. Love that Burnice has two great supports in her banner.
True. I would love some more copies of Lucy and Nicole
classic hoyo bait. they always put the most broken four stars into the characters they bait people to spend for
@@jackthelucario I have c6 nicole but none of my teams use her 🥲
With the addition of our first S rank Defense unit, this might mean that future enemies is going to be more aggressive and potentially can one hit kill. I can already see signs of it with the 1.1 new elite rampant brute that deal almost half of nicole's hp in one hit in their shocked state. Sure you can dodge it or parry it, but one mistake can cost you your life, especially so since ZZZ doesn't have any healers like Genshin and HSR. Having a shielder would mean that you don't have to bare the consequence of making a mistake as often and basically play in easy mode.
I think they said somewhere they are planning to add a healer category of agents, but I could be wrong, take it with a meteor of salt
@@marcoarenci2126no, they never said that.
Where you hear that info ?
@@harfi212 some leaks said that, I don't remember where I read them, that's why I said to take it with a grain of salt
If the core gameplay just boils down to mash and dodge, things would be pretty stale. Incoming units should spice up the formula. However, it would be disappointing if that spice just comes from defense units.
@@hiramjackson8322 well to be fair we are not even 3 months into the game so I wouldn't expect it to have a completely set in stone combat mechanics, especially for the kind of game it is. I mean is a game like wukong came out with combat mechanics that seemed unfinished it would be a bad game, but since zzz is a gacha it means that the combat it's gonna evolve around new characters and new updates. With that said I think that even if the healing part was brought with the defense unit it wouldn't be too bad, as a player you can clearly distinguish a character meant to heal from a character meant to shield regardless of his description, just like reading the kit you understand if a character is off field or on field.
I'm still thinking of who to pick but I am leaning more towards Ceasar tbh. The utility is just so good. It's true that Burnice is pretty unique right now, it's pretty much 100% indicated on the new disc drive that we will have another off field anomaly which is electric. So I think it's also a good thing to consider if you really need an off-field now or either skip her and just go for Ceasar and go for the next electric off field anomaly.
Yanagi Tsukishiro section 6 😏
While this is true, I would like to point out the difference between Fire Anomaly and Electric Anomaly.
They mostly work the same, but Burn works like a standard DoT where as Shock needs to be retriggered by attacking the enemy.
@@thegamewoods8473 can you explain more?? What do you mean by standard?
@josetomasrivera5782 Proccing Burn, Shock, or Corruption Anomaly causes enemies to take damage over time, for a period of 10 seconds.
Shock and Corruption must be activated by taking damage from an ally, where as Burn simply does damage on its own with no further input required
@@thegamewoods8473 oh ok got it, so burn is like a poison state that drains hp
best analogy for caeser will be zhongli on steroid, insane buffs, insane shielding, prevents you from taking any dmg essentially, interuption resistance, stun that matches top tier stun units and has non negligiable personal dmg as a crt dmg dealer and also can use anamoly set for jane team, her own set also gives dmg bonus to entire team. Personally they might nerf her before release but i dont want that to happen ngl
1000 atk buff which bennet from genshin gives an atk buff between 1000-1200 atk pre much shes busted
@@stylebender3226 yea when i first read her kit after her initial buff i immediately thought zhongli + bennet lol.
that’s nice and all but for my case Burnice’s banner (with Lucy and Nicole) and the fact that I dont have S11 or Koleda makes her more reasonable for now, Seth was already a reasonable partner for Jane(also same faction)
maybe if I was past 50/50 it would be a harder choice but I’m at 50/50 0-pity so there’s more pulls-before-guarantee to get Lucy/Nicole dupes, Ceasar seems very promising and she’ probably gonna be future proof, man why did they have to put Anton in the banner
@@f.b.lagent1113 nah don't get me wrong they both got insane value but I like carser more as a character, ideally I wanna get them both but I got Jane too and it's looking rough lol
@@hachiman205it’s much much easier for those that choose to skip jane lol. caesar all the way but jane pullers may seriously need to consider burnice unless they want a really good support for another team
if you've played hoyo games before, never skip a support.
I pulled for silver wolf on first banner... thought she will be meta forever as the first limited support character... I was wrong
SW is one of the most versatile units out there, what is bro yapping about.
@@TeriTeri732 LOL i knew shes going to power crept hard and i was right
@@TeriTeri732 SW is not a support...
@@TeriTeri732you’re playing powercreep star rail what did you expect
I think the main issue with defense role is the way that Hoyo design endgame content.
Playing their other games and seeing how they design Shiryu Defence, the way they make it more difficulty is by giving a lot of HP to enemies so it becomes more a DPS check then anything.
If they would change this to make the enemies hit harder and be more aggro instead, that's when the defense role would shine.
That's only a Genshin issue. HSR and HI3rd actually have a balance between high HP and high damage on Endgame content.
The fact that her shield provides Interruption Res and prevents dmg overflow allow slower onfield unit to have a place(like corin, piper, ... who doesnt really want to dodge as their animation has such long wind up). Also they will make more and more aggresive enemy in the future so def units stonk will definitely rise in the future ( imagine enemy like the new brute boss, shadow jane....)
Nah i'd dodge
@@prawnhub357 dodging can interrupt combos so you do you lol
I'm pulling for Burnice ❤
And only my extreme lack of polys can stop me!
Burnice leaked the sub banner and its LUCY AND FREAKING NICOLE.
BEST Economy PER PULL EVER, You can't fuck up both and even if you got screwed up by an OFF-rate you will still get a solid M6 lucy or Nicole.
@@cookiewithlove2081 Did they change Piper into Lucy?????? OMG THATS SOOO GOOD
@@cookiewithlove2081 100% agree. I won't be pulling until then unless I get some lucky master tapes for standard banner, so the Burnice banner is incredibly attractive. I already want her character more, and I have M5 Nicole and (after the free Lucy)M4 Lucy, so that will be an incredible banner to pull on. I use both of these supports in one team right now, and I already have multiple ideas of where to put Burnice and how she can fit in to both of my main teams (Jane and S11 are my 2 main DPS). Banner is absurdly good
Yep, I'll wait for her then@@cookiewithlove2081
I feel, as far as future potential is concerned, we're already seeing signs of this potential. In shiyu defense, there is a new S-rank condition that focuses on survival over DPS.
I'm going for Caesar + W-engine.
Burnice looks amazing, but I will wait to see how she actually plays and how is her DPS. Worst case scenario, there should be another off-fielder in future
Yeah, same. I want ceaser to be her best impact self so that even if I still don't have lycan I'll be able to buff the heck out of corrin as a corrin main.
@bebopknux5857 this is my thought process exactly as a Billy main!
If her drive disc is any prediction of what’s to come it’s highly likely that Yanagi is off field Electric Anomaly. Otherwise the set makes no sense since it seems designed for off field fire and electric anomaly and Grace is not off field. But I could be wrong.
@@chimezie7you're indeed somewhat wrong. The V1 of the set was only fire DMG. They changed to electric and fire for Grace and Burnice teams, since there are no good sets for Grace on a burnice team (shock set the enemy needs to be shocked)
Yeah, there might be a electric unit in the future, but for now this changes até specifically for grace
@@GuuiDomingues Grace is on field so the new set is not better for her than Freedom Blues. Also the very few leaks we have on Yanagi make it seems she is more on the supportive side of Anomaly more so than Burnice. We’ll see in a couple of days but I’m certain it’s for Yanagi and not Grace.
Love your videos. You are my go-to for all my ZZZ needs
I can't choose between them so I'll just go for both and pray lmao. Jane, Burnice, and Caesar sounds too good to pass up.
Burnice’s sunglasses animation is the best investment
I'm at hard pity for 5* character after losing 50/50 and couldn't get Jane. Definitely pulling Caesar and hoping to get Burnice in their banner respectively
Man, I like Caesar a lot, good character, good design... But my play style leans towards anomaly a lot, so idk, I'll wait until we have the new patch and try both of them on story mode, hopefully that'll clarify some ideas.
Same. I rerolled recently and got caesar + neko on one acc and soldier + burnice on the other and idk what to choose :(
@@AxilFodilIghouba wow. Idk, I usually don't make multiple accounts unless they allow you to reroll prior to make an account. So with Hoyo games I commit and I was pretty lucky this time, I lost my 50/50 for Caesar but had enough to pull for her, and then I won my 50/50 for Burnice, but I think I will skip a couple of patches now and wait for the idols.
Soldier and Burnice seem more solid to me, I have a full invested Neko and I don't think she's really good, also, we should start getting reruns soon so you can always try for Caesar again. Still, don't pay attention to meta, keep what you like better.
@@Vintagestep i think im going for the burnice account. I like anomaly way too much and i got her super early while i lost my 50/50 in my caesar account so even from a resource standpoint itll help me to get jane on her rerun or maybe yanagi! Im glad we can skip cutscenes as well it makes it easier
Thank you for your input💜
@@AxilFodilIghouba Yeah, I'd do the same. Anomaly is really fun whether you have access to disorder or not, and knowing you have more polychromes on that account just make it better. And yeah, I'd pull for Jane if I didn't have her, right now my strongest team is Jane, Caesar and Burnice and I'm still figuring out how the rotation works, I've seen instances of this team obliterating 70 or 80% of the HP bar of Elite enemies.
Im pulling for both Ceasar offers more value/utility then any unit but I plan on having every limited character in the game nobody left behind!!!
so in what kind of interval can you expect reruns?
I started playing last week and want Ellen and Jane now.
from your experience with other mihoyo games how long will I have to wait for?
I have already decided to pull caesar
I'm bad at dodging and don't want to study attack patterns, so Caesar shall it be. Burnice is SO enticing though...
Want them, but skipping
FOR LIGHTER my man
Based take my boi on 🔥
lighter? who's that
Inb4 he’s an A rank
@@Kro-RissaVirus ill still take him truthfully. Though I don't think they'd hold off on introducing him this patch if he did end up an A rank.
@@GeoffKhylieCarlos if you're not trolling he's the final member of the sons of calydon. He has sunglasses and they briefly show him in some of the last few trailers and he can be found in game outside the w-engine store and somewhere else I believe.
Since I didn't get zhu yuan, I didn't pull for any of the pubsec characters. So I will definitely pull for one of these
I’m sold in the Sons of Calydon, the whole squad looks fun as heck. Since I saw Caesar on the launch trailers I knew I was going to go deep for her, will get Burnice too to pair with Caesar/Jane Doe
My first team has been S11/Piper/Lucy and was able to S clear Disputed node. I'm thinking about switching it up and maybe pull for both to either replace or swap between Piper and Lucy. 🤔
Definitely going for caesar for long run though Bernice design is nicer but utility wise and with zzz there is no shielder up til now. She will be a game changer for alot of low spender or f2p. For whales idt she will be that good tbh
Caesar can daze, provide a shield with Anti-Interrupt for characters with long combo strings or slow attacks like Ellen, prevent 1 Hit KO's, gather trash, is more or less team agnostic... I'm betting on Caesar as the winner, here. I'll pull for her.
Personally i'm shilling for Caesar. Defense characters struggle with an identity because they aren't as good at stunning as stunners, and they aren't as good at supporting as supporters, and the defensive tools and shields they give do not seem to matter. HOWEVER! (and i'm at the 13 minute mark so you'll probably touch on this as soon as I resume :P ) - Hoyoverse always - ALWAYS - (always) - tailors content to focus on the strengths of new characters to make them more appealing. Right now, defensive kits are not seen as valuable because enemies either do not hit hard enough, or they are easy to dodge/counter. I fully expect that content will change (either new content or changes to existing content) that will make defense characters important.
Finally, non-DPS characters are always rarer and harder to find. Even this early into the game's lifespan, we got 3 DPS (Ellen, Zhu Yuan, Jane Doe), and only one non-DPS (stun) character in Qingyi. This banner is adding ANOTHER damage-dealing character in Burnice, and our first S-Rank defense character. Who knows how long it will be before we get another S defense character? It's hard to say, but I can promise you 100% that the banner AFTER this will have another damage-dealer.
Thanks for the video and discussion! Always look forward to listening to your reviews on banner value.
Disk set also hints Off field Electric agent
I dont know why but i see Burnice somehow as a Topaz who is atm maybe not the strongest but will go up in value with every other anomaly unit released since shes a off field anomaly user which means u should be able to trigger anomalys very easy since she stacks up the bar from offield and when u want to activate it (for example right after janes Aussault) u only need to switch her in and hit 1 time. So u should have maxed out anomaly damage without permanently watching the circle and time the debuffs like crazy. At least thats how i understand her kit. Ceasar on the other side needs more testing, i will wait and check how strong her shields really are compared to the enemys we will fight, and also how good her buffs are and so on. She will definitly be much stronger then Seth or Ben.
Im so sad lucy isnt on caesars banner
The problem with Caesar is she's a jack of all trades, master of none.
In the long term, these characters are gonna be replaced with a specialist.
Also, res/def shred are much more valuable than dmg/atk buff in the long term.
Caesar gains shred in her mindscape, if you're willing to dolphin/whale
She's not a jack of all trades. She's a master of defense with EXTRA PERKS.
Master of none ? I mean sure they may make better atk buffer but right now she is a master of all.
Alot of people overlook the most hyped aspect of her kit, her anti interupt shield, her buffs/debuffs will most definetly fall short of upcoming units that r specifically designed for those roles but that shield that lets u facetank all the upcoming damage without worrying about anything will always b helpful in modes like shyiu defense
@@bashpawl7237 dodge are overpowered in this game and really you don't want to lose her shield.
In my opinion, if you have Jane Doe, it increases the importance and effectiveness of pulling Bernice. I would even say that if you have Jane, pulling Bernice is a must.
Otherwise, if you don't have Jane Doe, there is probably no point to pulling Bernice, and it is better to turn to Caesar. But it is also possible not to pool anyone
You forgot Grace and Piper
@@suzumomokise8390yea but Grace and Piper want field time
@@thebumsterman With those two, can't you just say they require frequent rotation for most mileage? Like Grace and Piper with Rina especially makes it doable to go from one ailment to the next.
@@KumaOso16 yea that works for that team to just keep rotating between character but I personally don’t like that play style. Part of the reason why I got Jane Doe so I can have a Dps anomaly character and why I’ll get Bernice since she’ll just help with my Jane
i don't wanna switch my grace t-t
In terms of value - compared to Burnice, Caesar definitely has potential to support weaker DPS chars like Corin. If you like to pull for waifu/husbando she will likely make future A ranks viable in Shiyu with the relevant elemental weaknesses. A ranks usually suffer compared to S ranks in terms of QoL or ease of use, even at high dupes (eg. Billy)
Rn the F2P option for Caesar is superstar wengine for impact% ability
It's unclear if Burnice will not get powercrept by other off field anomaly units (yanagi) so it might not be a safer bet.
But from the love in the animations and her design, I can't imagine Hoyo powercreeping her anytime soon.
If in doubt always pull for Waifu tho ! :)
The one thing I keep noticing people do is gloss over the fact that elemental weaknesses exist. Sure, Jane Doe and Yanagi are anomaly DPS, but they're also different elements. We don't really have solid elemental teams right now except for maybe Ice, but once we get more characters, or if Hoyo decides to play more into elements, Burnice will definitely be more useful as Fire anomaly. The only direct competition to her would be another Fire Anomaly DPS, which I doubt will come out before Ice anomaly, not to mention other elemental anomaly, regular elemental DPS and support/stun units.
Burnice's design has my heart, also other then Ben I have no fire units so for me her being a fire unit is a plus.
I will get both. Good team and Hot AF😅. It's always great when they cover utility and waifu meta at the same time. Love your input EOD 👋
Caesar's greatest strength is also her greatest weakness. Jack of all trades/role compression. If you're playing for the "now" of it all, she's great. Because there is literally no other physical role except DPSes (Atk+Anomaly). Maybe ZZZ's value for role compression is greater since there's only 3 teammates + Bangboo. But for the most part, her value is her convenience.
I think she's somewhere between GI's Zhongli and HSR's Silverwolf. She could be as good as Zhongli as the ultimate comfy character who gives great support on almost any team, or Silverwolf who was great initially but value lessened as time went on. I still use SW to this day, but boy did the game outgrow her.
Picked up Jane, definitely gunning for Burnice. Thanks for the great breakdown EOD your the 🐐
I have a friend that enjoys and plays the game but he's really bad at dodging and parrying so i feel like Defense characters are really good for people like my friend.
The problem with ZZZ is it feels like currency building is hella slow for a BP Welkin player like myself so I couldn't even imagine how it must feel for F2P. Maybe it's just because the game is new and every gacha player has to go through the exact same trials and tribulations as they do in every other gacha(which is quite tiring). But man, ZZZ and Snowbreak feel extra slow.
i'll do anything just to get Burnice
if i don't have enough pull for Burnice then i will buy $100 for the 1st time so i will have double polychromes bonus
Burnice will be perfect with Jane and Lucy.😍
Good luck and Spend Wisely!
I feel like caesar will have the loucha treatment in the future. At first people treated loucha like a god, but a little later they put huo huo on the table, and loucha was already outshined, and then just to finish him more, they made a 4* character named galagher, who did the same job of loucha, but better. So i think caesar just for being the first shielder, will fall in the same whole, the devs are testing grounds with the support stuff.
Rojak and Cocktails XD EOD is making us hungry for some Caesar Salad!
I definitely think Caesar is going to be a sleeper pick for a character that will make harder endgame modes much more manageable and comfy. With her potential buffing output, I think she's going to age well all things considered, but we'll have to see when they hit live
Bottom line is wether theyre b much better supports/defenders in the near or far future her shield alone is such a big plus for more laid back playstyle that even stronger units wont negate her useage completely, she ll always have a spot in a team
I don’t know why I’m watching this, since I’m 100% pulling both, but great video anyways
My man u dont wanna know how many of these vids i watched, and from the first vid i knew i was getting both of em and their wengines yet i keep watching 😂
one thing u forgot to mention which why i think its so sneaky of them to put caesar in the first half , cuz if u have ceaser in ur team and maybe lucy/rina in the last slot u will not get Jane core since it needs same faction or another anomaly unit , so if u pulling for ceaser u prob have to pull burnice but not the other way
I don’t think you need bernice for caesar. Her core passive is pretty easy to trigger since it’s not class locked. She’s quite universal in terms of usefulness. Jane certainly doesn’t need her when you have seth.
@@Spookie24 u need bernice for jane core if u gone use caeser , and jane core is very important, and seth vs caesar is not even comparable , im just saying it feels abit wrong to sneak something like that cuz people who pull on caeser without knowing or thinking ahead will lose out of jane core or be forced to use grace/piper in the team
I got Seth/Lucy all build up, in reality I don’t need these two in my Jane team.
But I do certainly need a good fire team
@@mohamedsaid2227 jane doesn’t need caesar. Seth gives her enough defensive support and buffing. Her core teams don’t require caesar. If you only care about jane’s core passive piper, grace, seth can fill the requirement. Your third slot can be other supports. Plus it’s not sneaky at all? Caesar and bernice don’t need to be played together to function. It’s unfortunate if you want to pull for both, but they certainly don’t need each other.
@@Spookie24 i never said jane needs caeser, and yes it is very sneaky how many people read core passive on the character before pulling? u can play jane with A rank team for sure , im just saying if u pull caeser u will need a 2nd anomaly in ur team thats it ,and i think people should say that in there comparison
"Meta is temporary, waifu is eternal"
Thanks For the insight, somehow glass cannon teams are much more thrilling to use.. currently my teams comp is jane, piper and seth
haha Squishy yet get the jobs done thought.. Can other also share what are their current teams comp?
I think burnice is better since in many game modes you want fast clear; what isn't achieved by defensive comps.
Sure, they provide you with a lot of peel and will make levels easier; but you will probably struggle in fast clearing levels in the future (maybe not on the current state, but when they powercreep everything it will be important).
Imagine Burnice being the Xiangling of ZZZ.
This type of video is very good to help people make an informed decision, however it’s always been waifu time for me and Burnice wins that by a lot. Just look at her ult pose 🍑
I’ll be aiming for both but I would be satisfied if I get either one
always pick one of the kind unit
damage dealer easily replacable
but support/debuffer often stay relatable for quite a long time
therefore Caesar is better
If Defense or Support Agents could possibly heal agents along with buffs then that would be good for Shiyu Defense in terms of survival instead of timed mission.
Shield = Heal but not that obvious.
"Both" is the answer.
That being said, Burnice is waaay more hype than Caesar.
I'm going for both.
Don't have a physical team yet. I skipped Jane. All of my Physical Agents are DPS, Caesar can fill support and I don't have Piper.
I'm missing a third member for my fire team so Burnice is an easy choice.
im pulling for caesar purely because she has more potential down the line. burnice is more relevant for the meta right now aka with jane and anomaly based teams but caesar just screams future-proof AND i want the option to have a good generalist for practically any team i play + slot in any dps i want (lighter in particular, if he is a dps). burnice seems like a great pull for anyone who is into anomaly teams but rn neither jane or piper’s designs or kits really resonate with me that much so i doubt she would have much use on my account (but she will be amazing for jane havers).
So basically, in genshin terminology, you either choose between bennet or xingqui. Now that's quite a hard choice. Though I already got caesar so I hope I get lucky and get burnice so that I can complete my jane doe disorder team
Hey, I got Jane with her weapon. She is super busted good. Do you think I should try to get another copy of her or go for Cesar? The second copy seems to boost her damage by a good deal.
I like the new area. A Breath of fresh air.
For a Jane team, both seem to be great for her. Even using both in a Jane team or just one of either seems to work, so I for me who's maining Jane and will for a long time, I would be fine with either one.
I grabbed ceaser just in case we go down the tension path and a shriller becomes Dan near mandatory just like zhongli in genshin
I don't have Lycaon and I feel Caesar will be a quite good replacement over Anby. That's not why I'm pulling... her future value with Burnice and current value with Nekomata (who wants stun, maximum field time and anomaly phys buildup) and Piper (she face tanks damage when she spins) is unrivaled. That's to say nothing of any other characters that will come up later.
I kinda like Ceasar's playstyle but my only dps are Neko and Jane which are both physical and I already have Qingyi as a stunner. I think Burnice will be much more useful for my account and she's super cool. Would be great to have both but gotta save some for Miyabi
With no limited 5* yet, how well would Caesar work in a team to buff Neko? Unfortunately we don't have any 4* physical buffer character so far.
As I see it Caesar is replacement for stuff we already have, like stunners and supports but Burnice is the base of something completely new
I really like Burnice but I lost my 50/50 for Jane and don’t think she’s worth getting now. I really don’t know what to do. I dislike Piper and I’ve done enough research to know she’s actively detrimental for Soldier and vice versa. Is she even worth getting? I can’t clear SD17 yet so I still care about legitimate investment over getting favorites. Any recommendations?
Got over 100 pulls, and guaranteed Caesar, might as well get Burnice as well
Does Caesar's attack buff stack with Lucy's Cheer On attack buff? That's the main thing I'm trying to figure out right now.
Attack buffs are based off the attack value going in. Attack buffs are additive, not stackable.
@@KumaOso16 so if both are active, the higher buff just overwrites and ignores the lower one?
@@jeffkoenig7402I think both should be able to be active at once, but they’ll both be calculated off the base atk in question. Like Lucy’s buff isn’t going to be calculated into Caesar’s when it triggers second or vice versa.
@@EVCypher yeah, both active is what I was looking for when I said "stack".
While it might be nice to have, say, Caesar's attack buff amplify the DPS' attack rating after Lucy's has been applied, the real thing I was trying to get at was whether it even makes sense to run both on the same team.
Doubling up on current attack buffers (Lucy and Soukaku, for example) doesn't have great faction/element synergy so I haven't tested it.
Thanks!
@@jeffkoenig7402 yeah go for it, especially if you have piper and no Jane I think Caesar will make up for the long windup on pipers damage (and with the way her power stacks work, it means each member of your squad is buffing the other members too lmao)
Was aiming for Burnice, but got Caesar's W-Engine out of nowhere on 50 Pity. Meanwhile I got Caesar's banner down to 20 pulls left. Currently contemplating about my life's choices :')
Look, bottom line is you have a shielder who buffs and stuns. The other one just deals off field pyro damage. There's no contest.
If I pull burnice cool, if not.. I'm not sweating it. Ceasar is our first S rank defense character. That's who I am going for. She is who I gotta have. We only have 2 defense agents so far, and they both bring strong mechanics to the teams their on.
Plus, I am a grown man. I don't base my decision on cartoon boobs. It's based on who I feel is going to bring my teams to the next level and push higher into end-game content. Another anomaly? Or another defense/ support to push my already strong characters further.
I on the other hand
Pull base on boobs size
Why bring up boobs? Lmao. Caesar has like the biggest rack out of the two anyway lol😅
Bro said he doesn't base his decision on cartoon boobs but proceeds to pull for the one with the biggest boobs out of the 2 lmao.
Why did you feel the need to mention your adulthood to justify your decision? Ffs... 💀
@juancontreras7491 so what? That's not why I'm pulling for her.
As for the other dude, I can say whatever I want. It's not my fault if people read it, feel like their being attacked and then get mad. Don't concern nor bother me a bit.
I'm more bias towards Caesar but I like Burnice too so fuck it I'm getting both
I think Caesar will be a priority for me. Due to my skill issue, i can deal passive damage already with my characters. Even My corin can destroy everyone. But i have trouble surviving... some characters need to complete their whole animations to deal max dmg, and it's very hard not to get hut sometimes. So yeah... Caesar is coming home 100% 😂 also new game mode be one shooting mfs already so i expect other future modes to just keep getting harder. Similar to HSR. Defense units tend to be rare too.
I only have zhuyuan team built and second team is only rina. I am gonna get caeser cuz she looks comfy shield bot charecter like fuxuan and zhongli.
But I gotta save for miyabi too. The problem is when? 1.4? 2.0?
Miyabi is in 1.3
@@rpgames6922 how do you know?
@@Nevaryeditsbased on leaks 1.3 is lighter and yanagi then 1.4 is miyabi and harumasa
@@userundentified That was my speculation too actually
I feel like if you have Jane Doe and don't have Grace, Burnice is almost a must-have, as it guarantees the very strong double anomaly team.
Conversely, if you don't have Jane Doe, I think Burnice's value drops, though she's still very good.
Grace isnt a good option, she requiert a lot time field compare to Burnice who she a off field agent
@@fybleez ..isn't that what makes grace a good option for her? Burnice is an off-field agent that allows allies to build up fire anomaly, grace is on-field that spams anomaly. That's basically disorder galore
@@FireflySupremacyfor Jane he means cuz Jane wants field time
@@jaydown1205 both grace and jane want field time, fybleez talked about how grace isn't a good option
Maybe yanagi is also an offield anamoly unit? Since new set gave fire and electric dmg... And I don't think grace fits that set
Ceasar, Burniece and Soldier 11 my team
I'm pulling for both. take my 💸💸💸
I think Caesar is going to be good value for f2p or low spenders because she will work well with Corin, and Anton that need protection when using their skills.
I’m pulling both cuz they will be my main fire physical team.
Im getting both.
Just cant decided between Lucy or Piper as my 3rd lol
Who offers better investment? Lighter with his sunglasses 😂
i think pull character with each elemen team first for clearing content then free to pull after that
Shield and after burn is consider defensive/attack assist.The thing about Burnice she don't dealt physical damage and no annoying meter needs to fill and maintain
Currently I don’t have a dps character. I have anton and piper built but they are not best. Now should i pull for jane doe for dps ( with rina and seth) or should i go for burnice (for piper and lucy disorder team) which one is the best choice?
Very nice insight!
If I have M1 Neko is it better to stop rolling for Jane to get Caesar? Is Caesar good with Neko or Solder both m1? I'm trying to build a solid 2nd team. If they do work with her who would you recommend to fill the 3rd slot?
I feel like the only way to fix def is give it a special mode as EOD mentioned regarding HP because it seems unlikely they will create content that will too difficult for the average gamer. While Ceaser kit is great she seems like a crutch unit for players who just want to daily log. I feel like she will be the first S ranks to get power crept. Why have a defensive unit when you can go two dps or two support. Trap unit but I really love her design...waifu vs meta.
But the thing is , Caesar doesn't just give you shields, she also acts as a support, it's the same reason people use Seth with Jane, because he provides buffs too.
@ClownDollThatHasContemptForYou Caeser is slightly better than Seth 😊
@@skysheep747 not my point in the slightest but okay.
@ClownDollThatHasContemptForYou I got your point. I said Caesar has a great kit in my first comment. Watch EOD new Caesar video and maybe you get my point.
@@skysheep747 you absolutely did not, you literally said that she's a crutch unit, when she obviously acts as a support with the 1000 atk buff and the vulnerability debuff
I just got Lycaon off standard banner and have Qingyi also, so I should be good without Caesar for now. Burnice is so cute but I don’t see myself using any Anomaly teams unless I continue to build my Piper team. I’m not sure who I’ll pull, but knowing me I’ll end up going for both anyways.
Pulling for Burnice because:
1) Waifu over meta.
2) All my DPS characters are physical (bar Anton). I want a different element DPS.
I see twintails, I pull. I have all the twintailed characters and will keep that up.
i have soldier 11, koleda and lucy as my fire team, should i get Burnice or should i skip her?
I think there would be a team involving the section 6 members Miyabi, harumasa/yanagi and soukaku
Displaying her mastery over both fire and polearms, Burnice sends a Pyronado whirling around her. The Pyronado will move with your character for the ability's duration, dealing Pyro DMG to all opponents in its path.
I’ll just pull them both. At least, that is the plan. I’ll start with Caesar anyway.
From what I understand they just dropped bennet buff on caesar
If Miyabi is an ice anomaly, Burnice would be a great partner for the disorder team. The third member might be soukaku/lucy. Also, if you’re thinking about Jane Doe, it isn’t a good idea to pair her with Miyabi since procing disorder with ice and physical is not ideal compared with any other element. It’s either one team has ice and another has physical, just not on the same team.
why would miyabi be anomaly? she was attack in beta...i hope she is atk, i hate anomaly characters
@@Ares_XO If she was an attacker, remember what her element is. Ice attacker agent (Ellen) already exists and it's recent. So a lot of speculation falls unto Ice anomaly. Unless they make her Electric which would clash with Harumasa and he will be in a banner before her.
@@anonymousfox5005 this is true but she will come out at the end of December it means 5 months and a half away from ellen...it is not that close to each other
@@Ares_XO You have take into account that there is no agent who has ice anomaly. So yeah, better be acquainted with anomalies like that of HSR's dot category.
When Miyabi was in the CBT, the roles were different, so Miyabi was never a Attacker like Ellen. For example, in the same CBT Soukaku was still Wind.
Haven't seen the video yet, I'm assuming Ceaser is the better option, but nothing will ever stop me from pulling the double flamethrowers