780 ti and no performance loss at all. Also you don't need to shoot the demons that much, you can literally just fire a single shot, hide for like 5 minutes and 90% of the monsters will be dead from infighting.
"What's the plural for 'Mancubus'?" "I think it's 'Mancubi', why?" _Pans the camera around_ "I think, in this level, it's kind of important to know..."
Back in the 486 days we used to run Doom to benchmark our computers. Looks like thanks to this wad, Doom can still be used to benchmark fancy modern PCs too.
I reckon this particular WAD will always lag, no matter what you do, and it has nothing to do with your hardware, but rather with the limitations of the game engine itself. The Doom engine was plain and simply not designed to handle this many enemies, you could run this on a server farm's worth of RAM and CPU power, and it still wouldn't be totally smooth.
+PremierMilenkov This is clearly the reason for it running poorly. If anyone thinks it's your pc hardware when it's fucking DOOM, they have no clue what they're talkin about.
+PremierMilenkov Ironically, Vanilla Doom would actually run this much better because it has a sprite limit so the enemy sprites just flicker in visibility like Pacman for the Atari 2600.
+PremierMilenkov Yeah, the same can be said about NES emulators. The hardware itself is the problem as the memory pool can only handle so much. It's kind of like trying to fit 1000 potato chips in a bag meant for 500. The 500 chips are enough, but not much more can be handled.
blackice Go figure, the Doom engine isn't very optimized for this kind of thing. GZDoom especially, I had this level lag like crazy on my Android tablet but, when I remade something that actually uses more advanced techniques on Unity, much smoother.
PrBoom runs this map super smooth, or any map with tons of monsters really. But on PrBoom the enemies have infinite height, so you cant surf on their heads.
You can win the wad without cheating, just don't try to kill any monster in the second arena. Get an invulnerability sphere, let Arch-viles launch you into the sky, then try to jump over Cyberdemons and Spiders to reach the switch. Killing all monsters in second arena is, I believe, impossible without cheat or mod. I tried it many times but there always remain about 850 (lol) Cyberdemons and you don't have enough ammo to kill them all.
+SyoShinozaki Can't you just stay on the platform and launch a projectile to make them notice you, and then run back and let the cyberdemons and such fight each other out?
Zellio2011 You can't. Supposing you've already dealt with the first arena and do that on the second arena, eventually all of spider masterminds and Archviles are dead and only hundreds of Cyberdemons remain. As there's no Archviles left, you can't jump into the sky and pass above the monsters to the exit switch. The point of winning without cheat is, let the Archviles shoot you into the sky then land beyond the monsters near the switch.
It also matters on what you consider cheating. As far as I know, monsters in the original DooM engine have infinite height, which means you can't jump over them. But, well, considering that as cheating is pretty excessive, I agree, but it does raise a thought.
You "just" need to kill the barons and keep some revenants alive in the first arena, then run around in circles for literally hours until enough rev homing rockets are following you, kill the remaining revs and then use the homing rockets to kill the final cyberdemons. Easy-peasy.
You basically missed all of those BFG shots in the beginning because you sent the projectile and then you turned away so when it hit you fired the rays into like one monster a mile away.
My GPU recently ran out of its silicon, being an NVidia graphics card. One of the good ones too. God, I imagine my PC would have an instant kernal-panic as soon as I looked at that horde of monsters. Wouldn't even need to shoot.
Slaughterrific Just in case if you don't know this yet, if you go into Options, and Hud, at the top, there is Alternate Hud. Go into that, turn it on, and there are other options for it, such as an item counter, a monster counter, and a secret counter. If it's not there, than I can't help you.
Slaughterrific There should be on called 'Janitor' which cleans up. It works with brutal doom on my cousins computer (which he needs or else it lags haha)
Slaughterrific If you go Into the Automap, You'll see the number of secrets and monsters there are, that's the most helpful way to check It out. Hope I helped.
"We are not talking about edible nuts. We are not even taking about Deez Nutz. We are talking about Insanity Nuts." To make nuts.wad much easier, play Russian Overkill or Swift Slaughter.
blegar1 ransted I don't know, for some reason I couldn't play NUTS and Russian Overkill at the same time, I said that while I tested NUS in this computer I got a 1/4 of a fps.
hey icarus. will nuts work with project brutality? it would have been awesome if it did. it would be a massive clusterfuck and it will rain blood for days on end. try it out man.
Kakashi Mugen It works with the ketchup mod so I believe it should work with Project Brutality It will do an absolute number on your framerate becuase of all the blood effects
How I made NUTS run well on a 5 year old MacBook: Window mode GZDOOM 320x200 res Smallest screen size Capped it to Doom's original 35fps Software rendering There were some initial drops (35 to 15), but it didn't take long for it to stay comfortably at 35. The second area didn't even cause a frame rate drop.
I thought the Quake 2 room i made was ridiculous. You picked up something in the room (I forget what) and it caused one of every monster to appear. I remade Wolfenstein levels for Quake 2, and included the file with each level. Also, I tried to beat the Wolfenstein secret level, the one room with a secret path through, on a much faster computer, but it still wasn't fast enough. I tried to remake that level for Q2, but you couldn't have that many enemies in a single room.
Note to self: Do NOT use this wad with Colorful Hell with the custom difficulty mod and put all the item and entity settings to max, I had a 1660 Ti, 16 Gigabytes of Ram, and a i5 9500 and my frames per second became seconds per frame before GZDoom crashed.
in gzdoom if you turn of texture filtering, set the api to softpoly, the renderer to doom software and mouselook to off then you get much better performance.
Have you heard of a mod called Operation: Biowar? It's a 32-level megawad my friend introduced me to with custom sounds, hud, and a sweet first-level soundtrack
In the Spidermaster mind cyberdemon archville arena half the reason why the cyberdemons always win is not because they are the powerfullest it's because the masterminds can infight eachother and the cybers and archs cant
Can stay on the ledge, wake everybody up and make them fight each other, retreat to the back of the ledge, and then wait till they kill each other? I tried it the next day. You can actually kill about 95% of the monsters this way. The problem is I wound up with a layer of several hundred Baron's of Hell under me that keep you on the ledge. Prboom wouldn't let me walk over there heads.There also were a handful of arachnotrons about mid-field who refused to come any closer and kept me pinned to the back of the ledge.
It's impressive how many monsters you can put in Doom and are infighting with each other and all that mess and still manages to run well sort of (Btw,. different ports are optimized in different ways, I heard PrBoom+ is the best option (and also the best option for some really great but very detailed maps)), compare that to Snapmap limitation of 12 monstes, well shit..
This is actually super easy to beat. You just run over the top of everything, don't even bother to fight just ignore everything and get to that end button.
This actually works pretty decent in GLBoom+. PrBoom+ might still lag due to being software based. It still lags in GZDoom for me but it works for the most part.
I've never tried this map due to only having an older dual core laptop with a 512mb dedicated Quadro card but i'm not sure if it lags due to the Doom engine limits or if it truly is due to PC specs. I have a feeling it's more of an engine issue though.
DoomBunnyKiller00 I tried It on Chocolate DOOM, and Oh Boy! It actually worked! xD; Only problem Is that the Enemies sprites are fucked or disappearing sometimes, but other then that. It actually worked.
Why did your frames drop so bad? I was running nuts.wad through Doom Builder 2, but it actually loads in zdoom.exe. Anyway, I didn't have any issue with frames dropping. I wonder if it might have been your recording software interfering? I had noticed years back when I would record with Fraps, I would drop frames like crazy. I am showing a friend on screen share on Skype, and on nuts.wad, I didn't drop any frames. I've also been using bandicam for recording videos, but I wasn't recording when I played. I did however drop frames on nuts3 like you did, on the Skype screen share.
Hehehe thing you don't know is DOS can only cap at a 4meg window map isn't flooring your PC it is DOS can not use anything more than 4meg of memory max...
Frames per second turned into seconds per frame
frames per minute
@@lucianorogatto9913 minutes per frame
@@glenn_danzigframes per hour
780 ti and no performance loss at all. Also you don't need to shoot the demons that much, you can literally just fire a single shot, hide for like 5 minutes and 90% of the monsters will be dead from infighting.
But that's being a big pussy isn't it?
Gggmanlives hey man :D
You're not recording though, are you?
wtf
Why would I do that when I can go hell for leather on the demons with a BFG?
3:65 "We don't want the shotgun".
Heathen.....
HEATHEN!!!!!
3:55*
Also I just noticed that I'm replying to a 2 years old comment.
This is a true statement
dude the shotgun's shit in nuts
*H E A T H E N !*
@@Architector_4 So what?Is that a crime?
This mod should be called "Black Friday Simulator".
That would make me the Doomguy, and everyone else who works on Black(like your souls) Friday is a marine lol
"What's the plural for 'Mancubus'?"
"I think it's 'Mancubi', why?"
_Pans the camera around_
"I think, in this level, it's kind of important to know..."
This should be a pc hardware benchmark test lol
Gerald Raynaud fuck yes
Doom only uses on core, sooo not really.
Can't be. It pushes against the limits of the engine rather than your computer.
no....
My PC with one GB of GRAM, 8 GB of RAM and a i5 runed at like 2 fps when I wasn't looking at the monsters.
You know how you can beat this mod without cheating?
Load it up with Russian Overkill. Problem solved.
I downloaded both Russian Overkill and this and yes it does run at a lower fps but god was it worth it.
Russian Overkill is Russian Bias made into multiple weapons, Praise Stalin and the Derp Guns!
what is russian overkill
sakura Quickly, go look it up on RUclips!
sakura Icarus made a review of that one.
The day this mod and russian overkill can be played at 60 FPS, we will truly have reached the peak of computing power.
No, that’s not enough. This mod, RO mod *AND* Brutal Doom mod. *That* will be peak computer power.
@@ShadiC636 russian overkill, RO and nash'sgore
Back in the 486 days we used to run Doom to benchmark our computers. Looks like thanks to this wad, Doom can still be used to benchmark fancy modern PCs too.
I reckon this particular WAD will always lag, no matter what you do, and it has nothing to do with your hardware, but rather with the limitations of the game engine itself. The Doom engine was plain and simply not designed to handle this many enemies, you could run this on a server farm's worth of RAM and CPU power, and it still wouldn't be totally smooth.
+PremierMilenkov This is clearly the reason for it running poorly. If anyone thinks it's your pc hardware when it's fucking DOOM, they have no clue what they're talkin about.
+PremierMilenkov Ironically, Vanilla Doom would actually run this much better because it has a sprite limit so the enemy sprites just flicker in visibility like Pacman for the Atari 2600.
+PremierMilenkov Yeah, the same can be said about NES emulators. The hardware itself is the problem as the memory pool can only handle so much. It's kind of like trying to fit 1000 potato chips in a bag meant for 500. The 500 chips are enough, but not much more can be handled.
blackice Go figure, the Doom engine isn't very optimized for this kind of thing. GZDoom especially, I had this level lag like crazy on my Android tablet but, when I remade something that actually uses more advanced techniques on Unity, much smoother.
PrBoom runs this map super smooth, or any map with tons of monsters really. But on PrBoom the enemies have infinite height, so you cant surf on their heads.
You can win the wad without cheating, just don't try to kill any monster in the second arena. Get an invulnerability sphere, let Arch-viles launch you into the sky, then try to jump over Cyberdemons and Spiders to reach the switch.
Killing all monsters in second arena is, I believe, impossible without cheat or mod. I tried it many times but there always remain about 850 (lol) Cyberdemons and you don't have enough ammo to kill them all.
+SyoShinozaki Can't you just stay on the platform and launch a projectile to make them notice you, and then run back and let the cyberdemons and such fight each other out?
Zellio2011 You can't. Supposing you've already dealt with the first arena and do that on the second arena, eventually all of spider masterminds and Archviles are dead and only hundreds of Cyberdemons remain. As there's no Archviles left, you can't jump into the sky and pass above the monsters to the exit switch. The point of winning without cheat is, let the Archviles shoot you into the sky then land beyond the monsters near the switch.
It also matters on what you consider cheating.
As far as I know, monsters in the original DooM engine have infinite height, which means you can't jump over them.
But, well, considering that as cheating is pretty excessive, I agree, but it does raise a thought.
You can fist them in 3 days and become an absolute legend.
You "just" need to kill the barons and keep some revenants alive in the first arena, then run around in circles for literally hours until enough rev homing rockets are following you, kill the remaining revs and then use the homing rockets to kill the final cyberdemons. Easy-peasy.
Now, play it with Russia Overkill mod
I never played with music on. Didn't know they used Kashmir. TIL.
Doom used a lot of metal and rock songs as reference in its soundtrack. I squeed hearing Kashmir in here.
+AtticWarrior1994 But this song is not actually in Doom 2, it is from the mod, a midi of Kashmir.
"We're not even talking about deez nuts."
Who made a doom version of Kashmir?
Darude
puff daddy
lmao
@@boopitydoopity Come with me.
I guess the creator of the mod.
Novices ask "can it run Crysis"
Experts ask "can it run Minecraft"
Masters ask "can it run Nuts.wad"
was that kashmir by led zeppelin in the background?
Anoop Rajeevan oh yeah it is!
DantesonofSparda85 thats awesome
try running this with brutal doom....... you can say goodbye to your PC! Hahahahahahah!! XD
+Ram Marcellin Even better: Russian Overkill. Bye bye PC
If you were to download as many mods as possible, then play this, then that poor PC will literally EXPLODE trying to render that game.
also remember, this is actually a 1993-1994 game
You basically missed all of those BFG shots in the beginning because you sent the projectile and then you turned away so when it hit you fired the rays into like one monster a mile away.
"Using FRAPS to record"
There's your problem.
FRAPS is so damn handy... Also, so damn slow
What do you recommend using to record?
@doompostal
Thanks for the recommendation!
Greatest CPU Benchmark ever.
lol
Expecting Godzilla to show up when that Kashmir/Come with Me DOOM mix started playing ❤️
My GPU recently ran out of its silicon, being an NVidia graphics card. One of the good ones too. God, I imagine my PC would have an instant kernal-panic as soon as I looked at that horde of monsters. Wouldn't even need to shoot.
I love how they used Kashmir by led zeppelin for the music on this level. Funny video
*clicks play and waits for the mega lagg!*
is there a mod to make the dead bodies vanish. It's hard for me to tell how many are left after a while lol
Slaughterrific Havn't spotted one yet, i'd settle for a kill counter though.
Slaughterrific Just in case if you don't know this yet, if you go into Options, and Hud, at the top, there is Alternate Hud. Go into that, turn it on, and there are other options for it, such as an item counter, a monster counter, and a secret counter. If it's not there, than I can't help you.
Slaughterrific There should be on called 'Janitor' which cleans up. It works with brutal doom on my cousins computer (which he needs or else it lags haha)
ChrisSchimpf name sounds right
Slaughterrific If you go Into the Automap, You'll see the number of secrets and monsters there are, that's the most helpful way to check It out. Hope I helped.
It's cool seeing it actually run (reasonably) well. Subbed.
Nuts, the only doom wad where the fps tells you how good you are.
"We are not talking about edible nuts. We are not even taking about Deez Nutz. We are talking about Insanity Nuts."
To make nuts.wad much easier, play Russian Overkill or Swift Slaughter.
It's not bad if you just sprint for the exit by running on top of the monsters.
Imagine this with project brutality 😱😱😂😂
+MR revenant
Russian Overkill, is better to clean the mess that is NUTS.
+Ragnarok Stravius he already tried that he got sent to a epic 1 fps
blegar1 ransted
I already got a quarter of a fps while testing NUTS 1.
Ragnarok Stravius so bad idea to use russian overkill?
blegar1 ransted
I don't know, for some reason I couldn't play NUTS and Russian Overkill at the same time, I said that while I tested NUS in this computer I got a 1/4 of a fps.
Chainsaw + IDDQD + 2.5 hours = FTW
more like 2.5 days
+Ninehills X more like 2.5 weeks
Help Me More like 2.5 months
more like 2.5 millenia
More like 2 ions
hey icarus. will nuts work with project brutality? it would have been awesome if it did. it would be a massive clusterfuck and it will rain blood for days on end. try it out man.
+The Deadator i wonder if extreme weapon mod would make this easy. I bet russian overkill will just about do it
:D
Kakashi Mugen It works with the ketchup mod so I believe it should work with Project Brutality
It will do an absolute number on your framerate becuase of all the blood effects
This needs Russian Overkill weapons.
Hey, the background music for this WAD is Kashmir by Led Zepplin. Never noticed that.
use boompower mod for maximum fun
How I made NUTS run well on a 5 year old MacBook:
Window mode GZDOOM
320x200 res
Smallest screen size
Capped it to Doom's original 35fps
Software rendering
There were some initial drops (35 to 15), but it didn't take long for it to stay comfortably at 35. The second area didn't even cause a frame rate drop.
Why is there Led Zeppelin's Kashmir playing in the background?
This mod is crazy, bonkers, one might even say... NUTS.
I love how the mod has a MIDI cover of Kashmir by Led Zeppelin. Good stuff!
I thought the Quake 2 room i made was ridiculous. You picked up something in the room (I forget what) and it caused one of every monster to appear. I remade Wolfenstein levels for Quake 2, and included the file with each level.
Also, I tried to beat the Wolfenstein secret level, the one room with a secret path through, on a much faster computer, but it still wasn't fast enough. I tried to remake that level for Q2, but you couldn't have that many enemies in a single room.
The music is a midi version of Walking Through Kashmir by Led Zeplean
Tried it on PRBoom+. I got a buttery 60 FPS but I still couldn’t run on the monsters’ heads like you’re supposed to.
Let's hope no one combines this with either LCA/Complex DooM/Clusterf*ck.
Nice coverage of an old classic, Nuts is a great way to show how you feel about your computer.
Note to self: Do NOT use this wad with Colorful Hell with the custom difficulty mod and put all the item and entity settings to max, I had a 1660 Ti, 16 Gigabytes of Ram, and a i5 9500 and my frames per second became seconds per frame before GZDoom crashed.
Colourful mod is top tier!
Great video! The music ingame made me laugh real hard.
Nuts Trilogy after plowing thru Okuplok.... **Man these maps are a nice and casual experience!**
I tried running this in GZDoom with QuakeStyle ZX and DHTP, settings taken to the max.
Don't do that.
Ever
you can type resurrect in console to revive yourself.
It's more around 15,000 monsters. In some source ports you have an option to see how many are left on the HUD or map or whatever.
great, now try it with Brutal Doom :L)
Better than Sigil or Sigil better than this?
in gzdoom if you turn of texture filtering, set the api to softpoly, the renderer to doom software and mouselook to off then you get much better performance.
Have you heard of a mod called Operation: Biowar? It's a 32-level megawad my friend introduced me to with custom sounds, hud, and a sweet first-level soundtrack
Why are you using two god modes at a time?
Nuts + Russian Overkill. Please!
I second this.
+Christopher0184 isnt nuts a map? if thats the case you should probably play both together, no?
YES
“We are not talking about edible nuts. We are NOT talking about deez nuts! We are talking about insanity nuts!”
We begin with Pleasantville, Smallville, and now I give you Archville
The small spider masterminds are called Arachnotrons.
Your audio quality is delightful
i want someone to play brutal doom with this
Use too many super shotguns or Russian over kill with this mod it would be insane
Is there a mod that removes the white effect of God mode becuz If I ever get classic doom I will probably avoid God Orbs like the plague
In the Spidermaster mind cyberdemon archville arena half the reason why the cyberdemons always win is not because they are the powerfullest it's because the masterminds can infight eachother and the cybers and archs cant
Plays for less than 3 minutes: "I'm not really sure if we have used the BFG yet"... Your short term memory is scarily bad, dude :-D
"play's" your use of apostrophes is scarily bad
@@hypnos9336 whoops you're very right. I think I'll call that a typo. Fixed it! 😇
1:10. I remember this by the Kashmir song lmao
How many monsters you think we should put ?... *yes*
First time I booted this up my first thought was "Aww nuts."
Can stay on the ledge, wake everybody up and make them fight each other, retreat to the back of the ledge, and then wait till they kill each other?
I tried it the next day. You can actually kill about 95% of the monsters this way. The problem is I wound up with a layer of several hundred Baron's of Hell under me that keep you on the ledge. Prboom wouldn't let me walk over there heads.There also were a handful of arachnotrons about mid-field who refused to come any closer and kept me pinned to the back of the ledge.
I’m a simple man.
I see a DOOM channel, I hit subscribe
It's impressive how many monsters you can put in Doom and are infighting with each other and all that mess and still manages to run well sort of (Btw,. different ports are optimized in different ways, I heard PrBoom+ is the best option (and also the best option for some really great but very detailed maps)), compare that to Snapmap limitation of 12 monstes, well shit..
6:31 - wait, Spider Masterminds have arms?
You didn't know?
Nope; the legs block the arms from view from the front and I always BFG'd it to death before I managed to get a side view of the damn thing.
Yeah you don't get attention when in the fire of action (me neither btw)
crash imminent. 1444444444444(deep breath)44444444 bones could not be cached. the computer will now destruct
This is actually super easy to beat.
You just run over the top of everything, don't even bother to fight just ignore everything and get to that end button.
Wanna spoil your day? Just mix Colorful Hell with Nuts! The results are pure magic, trust me!!!
This actually works pretty decent in GLBoom+. PrBoom+ might still lag due to being software based. It still lags in GZDoom for me but it works for the most part.
I've never tried this map due to only having an older dual core laptop with a 512mb dedicated Quadro card but i'm not sure if it lags due to the Doom engine limits or if it truly is due to PC specs. I have a feeling it's more of an engine issue though.
DoomBunnyKiller00 I tried It on Chocolate DOOM, and Oh Boy! It actually worked! xD; Only problem Is that the Enemies sprites are fucked or disappearing sometimes, but other then that. It actually worked.
it's the game engine.
***** Obviosuly, but It was Improved on ZDOOM and GZDOOM.
+DoomBunnyKiller00 the only engine i saw Nuts.wad running great was PRBoom+
Why did your frames drop so bad? I was running nuts.wad through Doom Builder 2, but it actually loads in zdoom.exe. Anyway, I didn't have any issue with frames dropping. I wonder if it might have been your recording software interfering? I had noticed years back when I would record with Fraps, I would drop frames like crazy. I am showing a friend on screen share on Skype, and on nuts.wad, I didn't drop any frames.
I've also been using bandicam for recording videos, but I wasn't recording when I played. I did however drop frames on nuts3 like you did, on the Skype screen share.
Won't let the demons beat down on my face... start to hear their screams...
I don’t know how people don’t go *nuts* after playing this
I've been downloading doom mods to my phone to see which ones work and i was surprised that the nuts wads work, granted the lag is ridiculous
GTX 770 2GB and i5-3570K and I get a playable FPS xD
+GoldenDragonLord gtx represent!
+Protester19
Stop
GoldenDragonLord Better IPC. That's why :D
The music's Led Zeppelin's Kashmir remix
I wonder what would it be like if you thrown in a few dozen of friendly companions in here...
they're not spider masterminds, they're called arachnotrons..
"The revenants... have homing projectiles."
...
...
...
Ah I see that now
Have you considered whacking It back to classic 640x480?
dont be fooled by the BFG it is a shotgun cuz you can hear the sound when you pick up a SHOTGUN
Hey look at that, it plays just like doom on the PS1!
There this with Brutal Doom... oops
Running this with brutal doom made my laptop crash.
Mini spider masterminds are called arachnatrons
100,000 demons, WOW!!!! Doom Slayer be proud.
Why does he call both the Spider Demon Masterminds and the Arachnitrons, demon masterminds?
So this is the conquest of the Americas mod.
The music is Kasmir by Led Zeppelin but an 8-bit version, lol.
Hehehe thing you don't know is DOS can only cap at a 4meg window map isn't flooring your PC it is DOS can not use anything more than 4meg of memory max...
GZDoom cannot run this wad that well
16 FPS on DOOM: Decently Smooth
16 FPS with any modern game: Slideshow
Why didn't you use all the cell ammo while still on the platform?
does this wad work with project brutality
Is that 8bit led zepplin? Lmfao