I've got a Baltany, and the only really sub-standard thing about it is the strap, everything else is top notch. It a beautiful piece and feels and looks like it costs a lot more than it actually does.
On the humble Eco Drive Promaster I can live with it as the bezel protrudes a tiny bit and does protect the crystal enough to have seen me through almost three years of exclusive and daily wear with only two minor scratches, but on a watch like this sapphire would be so much appreciated.. Especially when die titanium Eco Drive field watch thingie can get titanium and sapphire for around 200€ street price..
With the water resistance I would have said I trust Citizen way more than any aliexpress brand like Baltany. I have a Citizen chronograph without screw down pusher or crown that has 200m water resistance.
No such thing as an Aliexpress brand, they are just a selling platform like ebay or Amazon. Let's not forget, the Citizen is also made in a Chinese factory, but Citizen have requested a lesser spec
My daughter knows every time I pull up RUclips on the tv and hears your intro she runs out of her room trying to match your “hello, and welcome”. I love it! Cheers! And keep doing what you’re doing!
In real life the Baltany is a really nice eye catcher and well balanced. The Citizen dial is a bit too busy and overcrowded although their eco drive is a big plus. I think a black Citizen strap would look nice on my Baltany. ⌚ Great review Jody. Keep up the good work 👍🇬🇧🙂
I'm wearing the Baltany currently. The crystal is amazing! A stunning little watch which is definitely staying in my collection. If you're considering buying one,,,,do it! You won't regret it.
It has been awhile since we have seen head-to-head competition. This was a close one. Nice reviews, as per the norm. Well done, and a happy New Year to the JOMW clan!
I can definitely see why the score was close. In a lot of important ways the Baltany is the far better watch. But brand is very important to me when buying a watch and if I'm buying quartz then I want it solar. And fair play to Citizen for the five year warranty. The Baltany winning is the right result though.
I have the type-B version of the Baltany and I am really impressed. It came with a leather strap which is way better than you would expect for the price. It was my first and only Ali purchase and it is one of my favorite watches now.
I’m wearing that Baltany now. My second as my daughter commandeered the first one. Awesome watch and I’ve had many comments from colleagues about my “expensive looking watch”. So far it ahsn’t missed a beat. If Baltany manage to hold up their reliability and customer service I’ll happily buy more from them. 10/10 for looks and feel.
I really like Citizen, but this particular one would never be on my radar, whereas the Baltany looks great with apparent great build. The scredown crown and pushers won’t necessarily mean better water resistance, after all Citizen are one of the worlds most renowned water resistant brands, but it’s a neat feature. Ever heard of the brand Militado? They are pretty much the same as Baltany with slightly less lume and come in at under $100! I think they’re worth a punt. Good review.
Don't you think the Baltany you should have done the comparo with is the tricompax Baltany S5045? I have those two and they're pretty similar, and I'd probably opt for the Baltany because it has a useful 12 hour totalizer. Unless I join the sub force anytime soon, I don't need to know if it's AM or PM. Thanks for the video, good talking points.
I shortlisted the Baltany before your first video about it. When you released the video I knew I was going to get it. Ordered it in the next sale. Awesome watch! My most worn since I got it. Also my second Baltany.
Another awesome Jodyformat video! Just love these comparison videos. Watches are about art and science and EMOTION. You just never know until you hold it and wear it. I have so many watches that look great on paper but every day when I reach into the drawer all bets are off. Great video! Merci!
Without watching I already know Baltany is gonna win. I don't think the eco drive n brand power is enough to overcome the specs n value for money even with those double weighted. Maybe if citizen used the B612 movement that has a 4 bps chrono seconds hand it might have gotten a bigger advantage over the Baltany in the movement category. It's a surprise they haven't because my citizen metro chrono that uses the b612 is about the 150 mark
I love this type of video. It's always very interesting! I totally agree with the scoring, and your conclusion as well. Thanks for the video, Jody. Wishing you a pleasant New Year's Eve 😉.
After 3 categories the Citizen is not in the lead...? 29: 30 . Regarding water resistance - unless you test it, you have to accept 100m from both brands, no mater whether screw-down or not. Surprised - you are usually so thorough in your tests.
I have many Citizen Eco-Drive watches, one well over 20 years old and never had any issues. I do like the look of the Baltany slap an eco-drive in it and all get one.
Been watching your channel for years now and when I saw the Baltany, I knew I had to have it. Just got it for the Xmas sale for a great price $120 USD! It's on its way. Couldn't be happier!
I’ve got a promaster and I love it. I’m not a fan of chronographs. But, if I were to get a chronograph I would probably buy the Baltany plus a better strap. Thank you another amazing video mate!
I've got two Baltanys: W10 and 1926 (and two more on my to get list) and two Citizen Ecodrives (including the Promaster Ecodrive Worldtime GMT you reviewed a while back Jody) in my collection and you can't go wrong with either.
Partly due to your previous video, I bought myself a Baltany with a Barton strap for Christmas. I absolutely love it, very grateful to you for your recommendation.
I own that Baltany after watching your fabulous review on here. I almost fell over myself to buy it which is pretty rare for me. After unboxing it then finding a decent strap I was delighted, and it won’t be leaving my collection either. 👌
Always interesting Jody, hard to see why anyone would really want that model Citizen with it's mineral crystal and build quality, I'm still trying to find an affordable Citizen to top the Ray Mears Promaster tough, I kind of knew the Baltany would be a more desirable watch out of the comparison.
I have (2) Eco 37mm Citizen field day/date models in both stainless and all black PVD. Absolutely love them. Classic style, under the radar, functional, grab-n-go.
I have a self-branded Baltany (my last name on the dial) - same case finish and crystal - field style. 3 years daily wear, hardly a scuff or mark. NH35, 36mm. Hard to beat.
Love this type of comparison, and would love to see more. I wonder where would your rating put my Seiko SNN241, compared to these two, or perhaps others?
I own neither. I bought the Smiths PRS-40 chrono instead. I also quite like the Accurist Origin (the version with the uncoated steel case on a black leather strap).
If the baltany had better hand lume, I'd probably one-in-one-out for my pagani moonwatch, which I've never really loved. Clear crystal is so important! Jody, do a crystal comparison episode! Love to see your top 10! I got the turquoise Oceanus after seeing your review!
7:55 one point for THAT difference in the lume? What the hell you've been drinking down there? :) Baltany looks like an incoming train at the end of a tunnel compared to Citizen :) I must say, I'm really impressed with Baltany's offering.
I think the score reflects that the Baltany suffers from going down the retro-lume route which degrades its effectiveness. If Baltany goes to uncoloured white lume throughout the dial and hands + maybe deeper layering on the hands then it's a clear winner. Maybe that'll happen in the next version so I'll wait for that.
Great comparison on these watches. I have the citizen & it’s crazy how the price on it has gone up. I bought it 5 years ago & it was $80 back then. But I love the watch & it still gets a lot of wrist time. The only thing I don’t like about it is the very short space in the lugs. The lug holes are too close to the watch case I had to get curved spring bars to easily fit a nato strap. I don’t have the Baltanty watch, but I did pick up a San Martin chronograph which looks very similar. It would be nice to see a comparison between the San Martin & Baltany.
After watching this review, I would go with the Baltany. I don't have a chronograph and would like to pick one up sometime. Of course, the Seagull 1963 and the Dan Henry 1962 also have a lot of appeal.
Q: If one bought the Citizen and when the crystal scratched, could not it be replaced with a new Safire crystal? I would think the quartz accuracy and perpetual power of the Eco-drive would count. Low maintenance and accuracy are big with me.
Owning both of these, being a bit too into field watches, I love them both, and I agree with you giving them basically a tie. They both have their strengths, but I'm currently wearing the Baltany :)
The Citizen dial is a bit too busy, but I love the convenience of the eco-drive. If longevity is an important concern then eco-drive may not be the best pick. I have one which hardly lasts a day even after a new rechargeable battery. Regular quartz movements are simpler and more reliable
Baltany is doing great definitely, I am big fan of Citizen. Need to get a Baltany to test them out. Great scoring system Jody, maybe UX rating as well?
I get it Jody, to be honest, I would pick the Citizen. On top of everything, it has a date wheel! It is very important if you sometimes have work at night. I like the clean finishing of the Baltany more. They are both great watches.
I think you’re scoring was pretty much right on the way. I would’ve changed a few things. I would’ve gave the warranty from the AliExpress watch less points because I would almost consider that no warranty or it would be such a hassle that you would just say screw it I’ll go buy another. I think I can stand with everything else you scored. I agree with you, but I do love a citizen and the crystal is a big deal. I have a aviator style citizen, chronograph I wore it when I was working as a jailer. The first day I wore it I slammed it in a cell door and scratch the crystal I was heartbroken. I was happy that it took a hit and survived. I was able to soften the blow with some diamond paste and a Dremel but if it were sapphire, it would’ve been non issue. I like both of the watches as far as I’m concerned, either watch will give the owner years of pleasure. I have a citizens automatic with a similar sailcloth type strap like on that one. It is a fabulous well-built strap for the money. Long time viewer I’m just happy to see citizen, making it on the channel after all these years. If we Just appeal to the brand to make them with just a little bit more character and flare. It wouldn’t take much. I think they could be a powerhouse and maybe even take a bite out of Seiko.
I never miss any of your videos. 🎉 Was about to get a Baltany last week but due to the holidays, delivery would take a bit longer. Then by chance I dropped by the store of an AD I know and spotted a newly released Alba with a sunburst green dial (automatic, probably 7s36). He gave me a price I couldn't refuse. Around $102US. Been wearing it for a week. But due to this video I'm getting the Baltany next month. 😅
the citizen looks like my timex expedition work watch, its a chronograph dial layout is the same except the timex doesn't cloud the dial with a 4 behind the date it just has the date and the little yellow line
I've got the Citizen. I bought it probably 10 years ago when there just weren't as many microbrands out there. There also weren't many sub 40mm chronograph watches out there. I have it on a green leather strap and wear it once in a while when I pop into the city. It's cheap enough that no one gives it a second look.
My 12-15yr old EcoDrive got misplaced and ended up at the bottom of a drawer for untold months, maybe 18-24. Didnt respond to indoor daylight for a day but it was summer and 8 hours in direct sunlight brought in back to life. Been fine for a few years since and its not even basic... GMT too. Absolutely amazing movements.
I've been spoiled with sapphire crystals on my watches. I own Steeldive, Seestern, Cronos, and Proxima watches, all with sapphire, and for what I paid for them all, you wouldn't be surprised to see mineral glass.
Great review, Jodi. I have the ‘type B’ Baltany, and really like it. For me, this wouldn’t be as close. I would at the very least, flip the ‘Movement’ scores. A single tick chronograph doesn’t do it for me. I’d probably give it a 4 (2X to 8), whereas the mechaquartz is awesome. Don’t have to set it all the time, but still has that ‘sweep’ on the chrono hand. I’d give that an 8 (2X to 16). I agree with everything else though. Great video, and thanks!
I do believe Baltany as a brand will grow alot more in the coming years, they make quality watches for a low price and dare to make daring homages of watches that don't have one yet like the 1926 oyster or 1921 american
Woof that Baltany is slick! The Citizen is...good by comparison. Thanks once again Jody, sure appreciate your insight and reason. Maybe it's not in your brand's specific wheelhouse, but I'd love to see a head-to-head of some mid-tier pieces? Or Erebus versus another comparable micro? Either way, love sitting down to see your work in action. Thanks!
You should include the overall look and the x-factor which you have included in your comparison Sarb 033 vs. Tissot. Than the Balteny would go father ahad.
I've got the citizen. Cannot understand ur downgrading their build quality. I think it presents itself for what it is - a rugged field watch with a chronograph.
Do you have a recommendation for this spec: 1. Under $300 2. Automatic 3. Open case back 4. Stainless steel case+metal bracelet 5. Sapphire glass 6. Date complication except no gmt
My Eco-Drive is now 15 years old and keeps perfect time. In all that time I have not had to go to the trouble or expense of replacing anything. How much is that worth? I was averaging probably $7 annually in battery cost plus whatever it cost me in precious gasoline to take my battery watches in for a change. From that perspective Eco-Drive is much cheaper than any battery driven quartz watch. I would say though , the Citizen unit in this comparison really wanted for a sapphire crystal.
For me definitely the Baltany, but I would treat it to a better strap. I wouldn't have doubled up on the brand name if it were me. In a few years time the Baltany will look so much better
Considering the two watches came out so close, but there is a 'gulf' between the two in your own experience, suggests your scoring system is at least moderately successful in removing your bias from the process.
I’m at the beginning of the video I’m liking both of these watches. But I’m going to make a prediction this is should be a very weighted category is it solar powered Eco drive that is huge. Dare I say, I put Eco drives a little bit ahead of my seiko solar power. I will be watching with bated breath.
I'm a huge Citizen fan, but to me, that Baltany wins without a doubt. I'm even gonna get a Baltany, because I've read and heard a lot of good things about their watches and they have some gorgeous homages.
I wouldn’t agree fully with your scoring Jody. As you specified warranty and brand should have been more for citizen in my opinion. Most people would have heard of citizen and unless you use AliExpress then I’m not sure a lot of people would have heard of baltany. As for the warranty 5yrs over 2years if you are lucky to be able to get the baltany repaired surly warrants a better score for the citizen. But over all I do prefer the look of the baltany and do agree with most of your scoring but not all of it. Happy hogmanay to you and the family
Yeah Baltany for me! Hey Jody there is a San Martin that is a direct knock-off of the Baltany chronograph, have you seen that one? Thanks man! Happy new year!
I have both the Baltany and the San Martin and if it weren't for the brand names on the dial I'd assume they came from the same manufacturer (maybe they do?). They are equal in all respects IMO except for the 37/39mm sizes, and the SM logo on the crown of the smaller one. The crystal of the SM is equal to the Baltanys and I prefer the smaller size on my 7.25" wrist. I also like that the titanium bracelet off my Citizen Promaster Land happens to be a reasonable fit on the SM!
I picked this Citizen on eBay for about 50 quid with a dead battery and a misaligned Chrono hand. After a bit of faff to bring it back to life I’m very happy with it. Great watch; very lightweight and works great on an Olive Marine Nationale with a Red stripe. I’m mostly a Dive or Field watch kind of person, and this is my first punt at any kind of chronograph. I couldn’t bring myself to part with £249 no way…the Citizen can’t be worth that surely…
It does not surprise me that the Baltany beat the Citizen. Big brands, in my opinion, are generally high volume mfgs and don't take the effort to offer top quality except among their high end lines. You mentioned putting the Baltany on a Barton strap. The Hemsut strap brand, based on my first purchase from Amazon, seems to offer identical design and quality as Barton strap for almost 20% less. Wouldn't surprise me that Hemsut and Barton straps are manufactured in the same factory.
Have the later version of the Baltany (Flieger-ish B dial) and also an entry-level Citizen (Garrison), and think you're spot on with your comparisons! A great strap for this is the Haveston Service Series AAF (613) nylon canvas in their 'earth' color. And no, there is no 'pop-up'. Comment not sponsored by Haveston!
Great video Jodie! Baltany has a CWC homage called the "Retro Military Diver". It has a double domed sapphire, Seiko NH 38, great construction\build, and 300m of reported water resistance. I think it could give the Citizen Barnacle a run for its money....
I have several, presently five, Echo Drive citizen watches in my collection right now. I have owned several more. I’ve only had one issue but it’s kind of a big one.. several times I’ve had an Eco drive powered watch, run down and stop having been in the watch box for an extended period of time. They then wouldn’t restart/charge back up.. this is happened on three occasions. All three of these watches were less than three years old. They just don’t seem to like running down to zero.. I guess this wouldn’t be a problem for somebody that doesn’t own as many watches as I do but I have seen other RUclips posts about this and apparently it really is a thing!
This is a common issue with solar watches. Often times letting the battery die completely ruins the battery and it won't start again without a replacement battery.
Not a fan of either chronographs or quartz but one clear winner for me. Baltany will let you down when the battery fails but meanwhile it doesn't shout "chronograph" at you, with that dial and crystal it will be a pleasure to look at. The Citizen dial is a mess but as the crystal gets scratched that will be less noticeable, the only thing it's got going for it is the solar power.
I'm not a fan of Chronograph... part of the reason it's of NO use to me what so ever. Another reason is the busy dial... The Baltany is much cleaner, and with the screw down crown/pushers... it would be my pick.
I've got a Baltany, and the only really sub-standard thing about it is the strap, everything else is top notch. It a beautiful piece and feels and looks like it costs a lot more than it actually does.
I love these Versus episodes. If only Citizen would charge a hair more and just put a Sapphire crystal in their watch.
Couldn't agree more. I've got a Citizen BM8180 that I love but got scratches on its mineral crystal the first month I owned it.
On the humble Eco Drive Promaster I can live with it as the bezel protrudes a tiny bit and does protect the crystal enough to have seen me through almost three years of exclusive and daily wear with only two minor scratches, but on a watch like this sapphire would be so much appreciated.. Especially when die titanium Eco Drive field watch thingie can get titanium and sapphire for around 200€ street price..
With the water resistance I would have said I trust Citizen way more than any aliexpress brand like Baltany. I have a Citizen chronograph without screw down pusher or crown that has 200m water resistance.
Same feeling here.
And screw down pushers do not come in handy when you want to time stuff regularly.
True. Some ali brands do lie about their WR
No such thing as an Aliexpress brand, they are just a selling platform like ebay or Amazon. Let's not forget, the Citizen is also made in a Chinese factory, but Citizen have requested a lesser spec
Should be same points since both are rated 100m
Neither are properly tested, so you have to look at the specification. With screw down pushers I wouldn't trust the Citizen@@arcadian7496
My daughter knows every time I pull up RUclips on the tv and hears your intro she runs out of her room trying to match your “hello, and welcome”. I love it! Cheers! And keep doing what you’re doing!
Whoa whoa whoa... the screw down pushers aren't for water resistance but to keep from accidently engaging it.
In real life the Baltany is a really nice eye catcher and well balanced. The Citizen dial is a bit too busy and overcrowded although their eco drive is a big plus.
I think a black Citizen strap would look nice on my Baltany. ⌚
Great review Jody. Keep up the good work 👍🇬🇧🙂
I love that Baltany. I need one!
I think the Baltany is a beautiful watch!
I'm wearing the Baltany currently. The crystal is amazing! A stunning little watch which is definitely staying in my collection. If you're considering buying one,,,,do it! You won't regret it.
It has been awhile since we have seen head-to-head competition. This was a close one. Nice reviews, as per the norm. Well done, and a happy New Year to the JOMW clan!
I can definitely see why the score was close. In a lot of important ways the Baltany is the far better watch. But brand is very important to me when buying a watch and if I'm buying quartz then I want it solar. And fair play to Citizen for the five year warranty. The Baltany winning is the right result though.
I have the type-B version of the Baltany and I am really impressed. It came with a leather strap which is way better than you would expect for the price. It was my first and only Ali purchase and it is one of my favorite watches now.
I’m wearing that Baltany now. My second as my daughter commandeered the first one. Awesome watch and I’ve had many comments from colleagues about my “expensive looking watch”. So far it ahsn’t missed a beat. If Baltany manage to hold up their reliability and customer service I’ll happily buy more from them. 10/10 for looks and feel.
I really like Citizen, but this particular one would never be on my radar, whereas the Baltany looks great with apparent great build. The scredown crown and pushers won’t necessarily mean better water resistance, after all Citizen are one of the worlds most renowned water resistant brands, but it’s a neat feature. Ever heard of the brand Militado? They are pretty much the same as Baltany with slightly less lume and come in at under $100! I think they’re worth a punt. Good review.
Don't you think the Baltany you should have done the comparo with is the tricompax Baltany S5045? I have those two and they're pretty similar, and I'd probably opt for the Baltany because it has a useful 12 hour totalizer. Unless I join the sub force anytime soon, I don't need to know if it's AM or PM. Thanks for the video, good talking points.
I Have this citizen for 10 year, amazing watch
I shortlisted the Baltany before your first video about it. When you released the video I knew I was going to get it. Ordered it in the next sale. Awesome watch! My most worn since I got it. Also my second Baltany.
Another awesome Jodyformat video! Just love these comparison videos. Watches are about art and science and EMOTION. You just never know until you hold it and wear it. I have so many watches that look great on paper but every day when I reach into the drawer all bets are off. Great video! Merci!
Without watching I already know Baltany is gonna win. I don't think the eco drive n brand power is enough to overcome the specs n value for money even with those double weighted. Maybe if citizen used the B612 movement that has a 4 bps chrono seconds hand it might have gotten a bigger advantage over the Baltany in the movement category. It's a surprise they haven't because my citizen metro chrono that uses the b612 is about the 150 mark
I love this type of video. It's always very interesting!
I totally agree with the scoring, and your conclusion as well.
Thanks for the video, Jody.
Wishing you a pleasant New Year's Eve 😉.
Thanks for another fun Versus video as they're always insightful. Wishing you continued success and a blessed 2024!!!
After 3 categories the Citizen is not in the lead...? 29: 30 . Regarding water resistance - unless you test it, you have to accept 100m from both brands, no mater whether screw-down or not. Surprised - you are usually so thorough in your tests.
I have many Citizen Eco-Drive watches, one well over 20 years old and never had any issues. I do like the look of the Baltany slap an eco-drive in it and all get one.
Been watching your channel for years now and when I saw the Baltany, I knew I had to have it. Just got it for the Xmas sale for a great price $120 USD! It's on its way. Couldn't be happier!
I’ve got a promaster and I love it. I’m not a fan of chronographs. But, if I were to get a chronograph I would probably buy the Baltany plus a better strap. Thank you another amazing video mate!
I'm surely tempted by the Baltany 1926 or their VC homage
Happy New Year, Jody!
I've got two Baltanys: W10 and 1926 (and two more on my to get list) and two Citizen Ecodrives (including the Promaster Ecodrive Worldtime GMT you reviewed a while back Jody) in my collection and you can't go wrong with either.
Partly due to your previous video, I bought myself a Baltany with a Barton strap for Christmas. I absolutely love it, very grateful to you for your recommendation.
I own that Baltany after watching your fabulous review on here. I almost fell over myself to buy it which is pretty rare for me. After unboxing it then finding a decent strap I was delighted, and it won’t be leaving my collection either. 👌
Always interesting Jody, hard to see why anyone would really want that model Citizen with it's mineral crystal and build quality, I'm still trying to find an affordable Citizen to top the Ray Mears Promaster tough, I kind of knew the Baltany would be a more desirable watch out of the comparison.
I have (2) Eco 37mm Citizen field day/date models in both stainless and all black PVD. Absolutely love them. Classic style, under the radar, functional, grab-n-go.
I have a self-branded Baltany (my last name on the dial) - same case finish and crystal - field style. 3 years daily wear, hardly a scuff or mark. NH35, 36mm. Hard to beat.
Love this type of comparison, and would love to see more. I wonder where would your rating put my Seiko SNN241, compared to these two, or perhaps others?
I own neither. I bought the Smiths PRS-40 chrono instead. I also quite like the Accurist Origin (the version with the uncoated steel case on a black leather strap).
The Citizen looks just like some far cheaper Timex chronos. Can’t get into it.
If the baltany had better hand lume, I'd probably one-in-one-out for my pagani moonwatch, which I've never really loved. Clear crystal is so important! Jody, do a crystal comparison episode! Love to see your top 10! I got the turquoise Oceanus after seeing your review!
7:55 one point for THAT difference in the lume? What the hell you've been drinking down there? :) Baltany looks like an incoming train at the end of a tunnel compared to Citizen :) I must say, I'm really impressed with Baltany's offering.
I think the score reflects that the Baltany suffers from going down the retro-lume route which degrades its effectiveness. If Baltany goes to uncoloured white lume throughout the dial and hands + maybe deeper layering on the hands then it's a clear winner. Maybe that'll happen in the next version so I'll wait for that.
Thanks Jody, love these watch battles and I am pleased it was so close. Love Citizen!
Love my Baltany, but also ditched the strap right off. The crystal really is outstanding!
Great comparison on these watches. I have the citizen & it’s crazy how the price on it has gone up. I bought it 5 years ago & it was $80 back then. But I love the watch & it still gets a lot of wrist time. The only thing I don’t like about it is the very short space in the lugs. The lug holes are too close to the watch case I had to get curved spring bars to easily fit a nato strap. I don’t have the Baltanty watch, but I did pick up a San Martin chronograph which looks very similar. It would be nice to see a comparison between the San Martin & Baltany.
After watching this review, I would go with the Baltany. I don't have a chronograph and would like to pick one up sometime. Of course, the Seagull 1963 and the Dan Henry 1962 also have a lot of appeal.
I'd looked at that citizen a few times on starbuy but waited......I'm steering towards the baltany now . great comparison video.
Nice battle. I just hope Baltany will come out with a simplified version of this beautiful design stripping out the chronograph functions. :/
I'm a bit of a Citizen fan, but this watch looks a bit shabby. I agreev100% that the Baltany is the better option.
Q: If one bought the Citizen and when the crystal scratched, could not it be replaced with a new Safire crystal? I would think the quartz accuracy and perpetual power of the Eco-drive would count. Low maintenance and accuracy are big with me.
Gotta love these early videos. Baltany wins my vote.
Owning both of these, being a bit too into field watches, I love them both, and I agree with you giving them basically a tie. They both have their strengths, but I'm currently wearing the Baltany :)
The Citizen dial is a bit too busy, but I love the convenience of the eco-drive. If longevity is an important concern then eco-drive may not be the best pick. I have one which hardly lasts a day even after a new rechargeable battery. Regular quartz movements are simpler and more reliable
Baltany is doing great definitely, I am big fan of Citizen. Need to get a Baltany to test them out. Great scoring system Jody, maybe UX rating as well?
I get it Jody, to be honest, I would pick the Citizen. On top of everything, it has a date wheel! It is very important if you sometimes have work at night. I like the clean finishing of the Baltany more. They are both great watches.
I think you’re scoring was pretty much right on the way. I would’ve changed a few things. I would’ve gave the warranty from the AliExpress watch less points because I would almost consider that no warranty or it would be such a hassle that you would just say screw it I’ll go buy another. I think I can stand with everything else you scored. I agree with you, but I do love a citizen and the crystal is a big deal. I have a aviator style citizen, chronograph I wore it when I was working as a jailer. The first day I wore it I slammed it in a cell door and scratch the crystal I was heartbroken. I was happy that it took a hit and survived. I was able to soften the blow with some diamond paste and a Dremel but if it were sapphire, it would’ve been non issue. I like both of the watches as far as I’m concerned, either watch will give the owner years of pleasure. I have a citizens automatic with a similar sailcloth type strap like on that one. It is a fabulous well-built strap for the money. Long time viewer I’m just happy to see citizen, making it on the channel after all these years. If we Just appeal to the brand to make them with just a little bit more character and flare. It wouldn’t take much. I think they could be a powerhouse and maybe even take a bite out of Seiko.
Great video very well judged. But yep i prefer the lesser known Baltany. Ill get one at some point 😉
I never miss any of your videos. 🎉
Was about to get a Baltany last week but due to the holidays, delivery would take a bit longer. Then by chance I dropped by the store of an AD I know and spotted a newly released Alba with a sunburst green dial (automatic, probably 7s36). He gave me a price I couldn't refuse. Around $102US. Been wearing it for a week. But due to this video I'm getting the Baltany next month. 😅
the citizen looks like my timex expedition work watch, its a chronograph dial layout is the same except the timex doesn't cloud the dial with a 4 behind the date it just has the date and the little yellow line
I've got the Citizen. I bought it probably 10 years ago when there just weren't as many microbrands out there. There also weren't many sub 40mm chronograph watches out there. I have it on a green leather strap and wear it once in a while when I pop into the city. It's cheap enough that no one gives it a second look.
Happy Hogmanay Jody! Bit keen moving down under just so you can start drinking 12 hours before everyone here in Scotland :-)
Baltany dial and style is a winner.
maybe you can keep the citizen band and wear it like a scalp on the baltany, Jody.
san martin has an identical looking watch that i’d 50 bucks cheaper right now. is it made by the same peeps as the baltany?
My 12-15yr old EcoDrive got misplaced and ended up at the bottom of a drawer for untold months, maybe 18-24. Didnt respond to indoor daylight for a day but it was summer and 8 hours in direct sunlight brought in back to life. Been fine for a few years since and its not even basic... GMT too. Absolutely amazing movements.
I've been spoiled with sapphire crystals on my watches. I own Steeldive, Seestern, Cronos, and Proxima watches, all with sapphire, and for what I paid for them all, you wouldn't be surprised to see mineral glass.
Bought the Baltany in an Ali sale. Great little watch for not a lot of money. It is a keeper.
I continue to protest the Seiko movement as there is no user hand reset procedure 🤦♂
A great review as always Jody. One suggestion - how about an "on the wrist/wearability" score plus perhaps some gratuitous pocket shots?
Both are nice watches. I'd pick the Citizen because I need a date on my watches.
Let the battle begin 👊
Great review, Jodi. I have the ‘type B’ Baltany, and really like it. For me, this wouldn’t be as close. I would at the very least, flip the ‘Movement’ scores. A single tick chronograph doesn’t do it for me. I’d probably give it a 4 (2X to 8), whereas the mechaquartz is awesome. Don’t have to set it all the time, but still has that ‘sweep’ on the chrono hand. I’d give that an 8 (2X to 16). I agree with everything else though. Great video, and thanks!
I do believe Baltany as a brand will grow alot more in the coming years, they make quality watches for a low price and dare to make daring homages of watches that don't have one yet like the 1926 oyster or 1921 american
Woof that Baltany is slick! The Citizen is...good by comparison. Thanks once again Jody, sure appreciate your insight and reason. Maybe it's not in your brand's specific wheelhouse, but I'd love to see a head-to-head of some mid-tier pieces? Or Erebus versus another comparable micro? Either way, love sitting down to see your work in action. Thanks!
San Martin has a 37mm version of the Baltany. I have a feeling the glass on that one is every bit is good. I'm leaning towards buying the San Martin
great video
To me, the Baltany just looks much better. Less cluttered dial, better finishing, chrystal. Both straps are crappy. Thanks, Jody, and Happy New Year.
Wow, a midday JOMW video here in the US?!
You should include the overall look and the x-factor which you have included in your comparison Sarb 033 vs. Tissot. Than the Balteny would go father ahad.
the Baltany link goes to a GoDaddy page with the link for sale ?
I've got the citizen. Cannot understand ur downgrading their build quality. I think it presents itself for what it is - a rugged field watch with a chronograph.
Do you have a recommendation for this spec:
1. Under $300
2. Automatic
3. Open case back
4. Stainless steel case+metal bracelet
5. Sapphire glass
6. Date complication except no gmt
Build quality score really interesting as to me the Baltany LOOKS cheap and the Citizen looks a much more expensive watch.
I prefer the the cleaner dial layout on the Baltany
My Eco-Drive is now 15 years old and keeps perfect time. In all that time I have not had to go to the trouble or expense of replacing anything. How much is that worth? I was averaging probably $7 annually in battery cost plus whatever it cost me in precious gasoline to take my battery watches in for a change. From that perspective Eco-Drive is much cheaper than any battery driven quartz watch. I would say though , the Citizen unit in this comparison really wanted for a sapphire crystal.
The first link in video description directs you to an old bernywatches domain, also for sale.
For me definitely the Baltany, but I would treat it to a better strap. I wouldn't have doubled up on the brand name if it were me. In a few years time the Baltany will look so much better
Considering the two watches came out so close, but there is a 'gulf' between the two in your own experience, suggests your scoring system is at least moderately successful in removing your bias from the process.
I’m at the beginning of the video I’m liking both of these watches. But I’m going to make a prediction this is should be a very weighted category is it solar powered Eco drive that is huge. Dare I say, I put Eco drives a little bit ahead of my seiko solar power. I will be watching with bated breath.
I'm a huge Citizen fan, but to me, that Baltany wins without a doubt. I'm even gonna get a Baltany, because I've read and heard a lot of good things about their watches and they have some gorgeous homages.
I still think the Baltany beats the citizens miles apart.
Something wrong with the scoring then as I would pick the Baltany every time.
I wouldn’t agree fully with your scoring Jody. As you specified warranty and brand should have been more for citizen in my opinion. Most people would have heard of citizen and unless you use AliExpress then I’m not sure a lot of people would have heard of baltany. As for the warranty 5yrs over 2years if you are lucky to be able to get the baltany repaired surly warrants a better score for the citizen. But over all I do prefer the look of the baltany and do agree with most of your scoring but not all of it. Happy hogmanay to you and the family
I think your scores were very fair and agree, the Baltany would be my choice too for all the same reasons.
Yeah Baltany for me! Hey Jody there is a San Martin that is a direct knock-off of the Baltany chronograph, have you seen that one? Thanks man! Happy new year!
Also just to note, your link to the baltany links to a domain that is for sale. 👍
I have both the Baltany and the San Martin and if it weren't for the brand names on the dial I'd assume they came from the same manufacturer (maybe they do?). They are equal in all respects IMO except for the 37/39mm sizes, and the SM logo on the crown of the smaller one. The crystal of the SM is equal to the Baltanys and I prefer the smaller size on my 7.25" wrist. I also like that the titanium bracelet off my Citizen Promaster Land happens to be a reasonable fit on the SM!
I picked this Citizen on eBay for about 50 quid with a dead battery and a misaligned Chrono hand. After a bit of faff to bring it back to life I’m very happy with it.
Great watch; very lightweight and works great on an Olive Marine Nationale with a Red stripe. I’m mostly a Dive or Field watch kind of person, and this is my first punt at any kind of chronograph.
I couldn’t bring myself to part with £249 no way…the Citizen can’t be worth that surely…
It does not surprise me that the Baltany beat the Citizen. Big brands, in my opinion, are generally high volume mfgs and don't take the effort to offer top quality except among their high end lines. You mentioned putting the Baltany on a Barton strap. The Hemsut strap brand, based on my first purchase from Amazon, seems to offer identical design and quality as Barton strap for almost 20% less. Wouldn't surprise me that Hemsut and Barton straps are manufactured in the same factory.
Have the later version of the Baltany (Flieger-ish B dial) and also an entry-level Citizen (Garrison), and think you're spot on with your comparisons! A great strap for this is the Haveston Service Series AAF (613) nylon canvas in their 'earth' color. And no, there is no 'pop-up'. Comment not sponsored by Haveston!
Great video Jodie! Baltany has a CWC homage called the "Retro Military Diver". It has a double domed sapphire, Seiko NH 38, great construction\build, and 300m of reported water resistance. I think it could give the Citizen Barnacle a run for its money....
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I have several, presently five, Echo Drive citizen watches in my collection right now. I have owned several more. I’ve only had one issue but it’s kind of a big one.. several times I’ve had an Eco drive powered watch, run down and stop having been in the watch box for an extended period of time. They then wouldn’t restart/charge back up.. this is happened on three occasions. All three of these watches were less than three years old. They just don’t seem to like running down to zero.. I guess this wouldn’t be a problem for somebody that doesn’t own as many watches as I do but I have seen other RUclips posts about this and apparently it really is a thing!
This is a common issue with solar watches. Often times letting the battery die completely ruins the battery and it won't start again without a replacement battery.
Not a fan of either chronographs or quartz but one clear winner for me. Baltany will let you down when the battery fails but meanwhile it doesn't shout "chronograph" at you, with that dial and crystal it will be a pleasure to look at. The Citizen dial is a mess but as the crystal gets scratched that will be less noticeable, the only thing it's got going for it is the solar power.
Sent my baltany back misalignment on hand , very difficult to get reimbursement and had to pay my own shipping
I'm not a fan of Chronograph... part of the reason it's of NO use to me what so ever.
Another reason is the busy dial...
The Baltany is much cleaner, and with the screw down crown/pushers... it would be my pick.