Kamen Rider Black Sun is more to drama and politics than actions, Kamen Rider Amazons are more actions and drama Black Sun and Amazons are my fav Kamen Rider now
@@rayzcom1361 Dude, I'm highly aware of what Kamen Rider black sun is. I've watched it twice and I own the DVD. It's kind of the same reason why I love Kamen Rider kuuga is because they're both dramas with well written stories. I know, Black sun is more political. Hell, this is better political commentary than any of the other shows I've seen come out as of late. Because, it sounds more like complaints than constructive criticism. Black sun does it right because there's actual stuff that you can chew on here and it has great political commentary.
@@aaroncross6874 agreed, Black Sun is more of a political abd social commentary. In fact that both Black Sun and Shadow Moon are right and wrong at the same time speak much of it. Kuuga for me still a good blend of classic and new age. Though it's sad that the story as if cut short at the end of the series.
@@Revenant1128 The best stories are usually when the protagonist and antagonist have good intentions but the antagonist usually takes an extreme method of going about it. And to let everyone else know; There's a difference between Heros and Protagonists/Villains and Antagonists. And right here is a good place to start seeing the differences.
The question is.. Is he willing to become the king himself.. Bedriden wasting his life while others keep taking his blood? 😂 The thing is he talk like hero but give other ppl the hard job 😂
Wasted if only he went all the way thru with this.I wish the director would read the manga and potray Gorgom as a much more scary high tech organization that could destroy the world anytime.
Yeah gee it's almost like Black Sun is it's own thing that happens to pay honage to the original show it's adapting from, yet chooses to diverge to a different direction for it's own spin on the story, instead of simply relying on existing content.
@@GaiusIntrepidus They went too political with the racist thing but all I want is a dangerous cult and a more menacing shadowmoon thats not a bitch to anybody.
@@discountmorty213and that's also a shitty comparison. You're comparing a brainwashed cyborg made for world domination to a radicalized and tortured human being forced to endure endless suffering, OF COURSE THEY'D BE DIFFERENT. Either you're as dumb as a pebble or you were busy stroking off your own cock ready to throw another "bUt iT ToO pOlItIcAl" whinefest to a show that's nothing more BUT a tribute AND a reboot that aims to be different. Nobody complained about Amazons being different to Amazon, but as soon as Black Sun included politics you fuckers started bitching about it.
It just cheaply show that the henshin activator is in the left buckle, by doing a gesture, i think making a henshin pose is good to hide the fact how to activate the belt. This comment is based on how i see in csm version of sun driver
bruh how else do you want it to be activated? by voice recognition? mind control? how is bandai supposed to develop a henshin sequence trigger that's not a button or an infrared sensor?
I saw a comic/manga many many many years ago. The starting of henshin pose was because there was a rider who never need to do any pose and just henshin into his rider form whenever he wanted it. Not just pose, he doesn't even need to utter the word henshin at all.. But in one of the fight the enemy, who rightfully the one who turn him into the rider like most showa rider origin, causing his belt to malfunction. A boy that he saved suggested for him to do some kind of poses. While he was having red face, he stil try a number of pose until one of the pose made his belt to switch on again and he transform. I don't remember which series was it but it was a manga of few pages that I came across many many many years ago... 😅
movie remakes like these tend to be dark like kamen rider amazons, kamen rider the first. normal kamen rider is usually much happier and more kid friendly. not the best first introduction if you dislike dark and depressing shows.
although I have not watched black sun, I also prefer seasons that are a bit more lighthearted, not too childish but like not too much gore and politics
@@wamengxiong0409 OG KR Black is similar to the original Kamen Rider style story telling, a man who was destined to be a weapon for evil, but managed to turn that power into means to fight the evil that created it.
@@justincholos.balisang6884 I said the same thing. But RUclips removed my reply for mentioning who Shocker was based on despite them being mentioned in the initial comment.
yes they have same stories like orphenoc expect they are orphenoc since born and have been kaijin for generation 🤔 The kaijins are actually exist because of human experiment. Kamen Rider Black Sun is actually remake version of Kamen Rider Black and Kamen Rider Black RX from showa era
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一昔前のどこか青臭さ漂う理想や、葛藤を胸に戦う者たちの群像劇って感じがぶっ刺さった
作風色々言われてるけど雰囲気はマジで好き
Realistic. Some clap, others throw stuff.
That bird person was looking mighty PECKish, afrer that bug transformation.
Lmao
BAD
葵が怪人になるのをめちゃくちゃ拒否ってたのを観て、この作品のメッセージはそこに詰まってる気がした。
深読みし過ぎかもしれないけど、薄っぺらい言葉なんぞチープな物だと言いたいのかな〜と感じた。
それでも綺麗事が良いじゃない。
と、思いましたまる
Shadowmoon always steal the scene as usual....
Not going to lie. I love this scene!
Kamen Rider Black Sun is more to drama and politics than actions,
Kamen Rider Amazons are more actions and drama
Black Sun and Amazons are my fav Kamen Rider now
@@rayzcom1361 Dude, I'm highly aware of what Kamen Rider black sun is. I've watched it twice and I own the DVD. It's kind of the same reason why I love Kamen Rider kuuga is because they're both dramas with well written stories. I know, Black sun is more political. Hell, this is better political commentary than any of the other shows I've seen come out as of late. Because, it sounds more like complaints than constructive criticism. Black sun does it right because there's actual stuff that you can chew on here and it has great political commentary.
@@aaroncross6874 exactly why Black Sun is my fav
@@aaroncross6874 agreed, Black Sun is more of a political abd social commentary. In fact that both Black Sun and Shadow Moon are right and wrong at the same time speak much of it. Kuuga for me still a good blend of classic and new age. Though it's sad that the story as if cut short at the end of the series.
@@Revenant1128 The best stories are usually when the protagonist and antagonist have good intentions but the antagonist usually takes an extreme method of going about it.
And to let everyone else know; There's a difference between Heros and Protagonists/Villains and Antagonists. And right here is a good place to start seeing the differences.
Shadowmoon/Nobuhiko was my favourite Character/Rider in the Black Sun series
I'll never forget you, Shiny Moon!
今野！ そこに、愛はあるんか！！
女将さん「ゆ"る"さん"！」
愛が無かった結果無事ﾑｯｺﾛされた模様()
偉そうな事言ってんじゃねえぞ。
て言ってるヤツの頭を潰すシーンのシャドームーンめっちゃ好き。
本家のシャドームーンに限りなく近い姿に見えた。
あのシーンスカッとしたけど同時にドン引きした
正直駄作と言われる理由も分からないでも無い。が、この作品からじゃ無いと得られない栄養が少なくとも俺にはある。
とても面白くてかっこよかったです！！
以上！！
文句なし！！
Kaijins Lives Matter
シャドームーンの描写はリアルだったね。
昔ながらの古臭い手法でテロやって撃退されて、その帰りに落ち延びたスズメが殺された事に怒って「最終的に公衆の面前で対立勢力のリーダーを縊り殺す」っていう「頭の悪さ」もリアルだった。異なる価値観を持つ相手に対して「話し合い」では絶対に解決できない、戦争しかないという確固たる監督の価値観を感じる。
「異論は暴力で黙らせる」まさに「学生運動」の思想そのものだった。
あれで人間側の支持者は一気になくなっただろうから「どんな形でも、テロリズムは絶対悪」だというメッセージなんだろうｗ
スズメも「何の罪もない少年」のような感じで犠牲者っぽく描かれているけど、彼は「テロリスト実行犯」だからね。
シャドームーンは「自分を責めたい衝動」を今野演じるリーダーにぶつけたんだろう。
中村倫也で本当に良かった☺️
格好良い…まさにもう一つの正義を掲げた存在には惹かれる
ロケ地は静岡県浜松市南区卸商団地のGSバーガー前ですね
いい感じにしゃしゃり出る今野で草
Oh looks its Sunshine Moon
主役2人がとにかくカッコ良すぎた作品
......tbh, Nobohiko and Magneto are right.....
The question is.. Is he willing to become the king himself.. Bedriden wasting his life while others keep taking his blood? 😂
The thing is he talk like hero but give other ppl the hard job 😂
The Kajins are Nazis cyborgs what?
こういう作品があってもいいと思った。他にももっといろんな角度で描かれた仮面ライダーがあっていい。ブラックサンと真逆の政治思想から描かれた仮面ライダーがあってもいいしさ
何故
このシーンカッコよかったな
変身してるというより、飲み込まれてる。
ヴィジュアル、カリスマ性、今まで見た中村倫也の中で1番かっこよかった。
ストーリーは…だけども。
監督が「Blackへの思い入れ」全くないもんね。
東映・樋口真嗣サイドがそれを必死にフォローしようとしてた感じ？
@@takajakupan 無知な上で色々言わないほうがいいですよ
@@ganglion5501 はいはい(^_^)
@@takajakupan
え！？
@@takajakupan 白石監督はブラックの信者ですよ
学生運動に傾倒した団塊世代の書いたようなシナリオだった｡
妙に古臭いのと現実味が無さすぎたのはそのせいか
若松組出身の監督だぞ？ 当たり前だろ。
書いたようなというか、そのままそう
学生運動を古いとか頭おかしいとか考えるのは、それは現在の考えであって
理解すらしようとしないのは哀れ
もっともお前らは仮面ライダーしか見てないからそういう思想とかも仮面ライダーに基づいてそう
@@hymサブおじいちゃん加齢臭キツいよw
よし、仮面ライダー布教するために団塊世代のじっちゃとばっちゃに見せてくるか！
俺たちはもっと祝っていい！
現代の問題を仮面ライダーにうまく織り込んだ良作なんだがブラックの名を冠してやる必要があるか？に尽きるんだよな…
確かに。ビジュアルやテーマも今までの仮面ライダーの映像作品にない踏み込んだ感じの良いものなんだけど、ブラックに限定した話（原作漫画、原案であるTV版ブラック含めて）だけじゃないような気がして未だに引っかかってる。
新規のライダーでも別に良かったんじゃないかとは思う(政治色強めだけど)
ブラックサンつくるタイミングでこのアイデア思いついたんじゃねぇの？
本当面白かった！
どっち道設定ガバガバでリアリティーあんまないんだからこの状態のシャドームーンもっと暴れて欲しかった
Is Shadow Moon going all Magneto in this?
Yes
The entire Black Sun story is literally a Kamen Rider version of the X-Men in this iteration
Shadow Moon was right.
Wasted if only he went all the way thru with this.I wish the director would read the manga and potray Gorgom as a much more scary high tech organization that could destroy the world anytime.
Yeah gee it's almost like Black Sun is it's own thing that happens to pay honage to the original show it's adapting from, yet chooses to diverge to a different direction for it's own spin on the story, instead of simply relying on existing content.
@@GaiusIntrepidus They went too political with the racist thing but all I want is a dangerous cult and a more menacing shadowmoon thats not a bitch to anybody.
@@discountmorty213and that's also a shitty comparison. You're comparing a brainwashed cyborg made for world domination to a radicalized and tortured human being forced to endure endless suffering, OF COURSE THEY'D BE DIFFERENT. Either you're as dumb as a pebble or you were busy stroking off your own cock ready to throw another "bUt iT ToO pOlItIcAl" whinefest to a show that's nothing more BUT a tribute AND a reboot that aims to be different.
Nobody complained about Amazons being different to Amazon, but as soon as Black Sun included politics you fuckers started bitching about it.
Name of the manga ?
@@GaiusIntrepidusporra,coringou legal
Lokix
It just cheaply show that the henshin activator is in the left buckle, by doing a gesture, i think making a henshin pose is good to hide the fact how to activate the belt. This comment is based on how i see in csm version of sun driver
bruh how else do you want it to be activated? by voice recognition? mind control? how is bandai supposed to develop a henshin sequence trigger that's not a button or an infrared sensor?
No shit lol wtf you mean literally sun driver does that
@@K-ROW The most recent Dx belt of the original Black has voice recognition so...
I saw a comic/manga many many many years ago. The starting of henshin pose was because there was a rider who never need to do any pose and just henshin into his rider form whenever he wanted it. Not just pose, he doesn't even need to utter the word henshin at all.. But in one of the fight the enemy, who rightfully the one who turn him into the rider like most showa rider origin, causing his belt to malfunction. A boy that he saved suggested for him to do some kind of poses. While he was having red face, he stil try a number of pose until one of the pose made his belt to switch on again and he transform. I don't remember which series was it but it was a manga of few pages that I came across many many many years ago... 😅
@@K-ROW lol I have the DX version of the older belt that use voices lol is actually more fun than pushing buttons
this was my first kamen rider show and... even while knowing nothing about the franchise, i hated it, it's too depressing....
movie remakes like these tend to be dark like kamen rider amazons, kamen rider the first. normal kamen rider is usually much happier and more kid friendly. not the best first introduction if you dislike dark and depressing shows.
although I have not watched black sun, I also prefer seasons that are a bit more lighthearted, not too childish but like not too much gore and politics
For beginners, W, OOO and Fourze are always the best series to start Kamen Rider
@@ikhwan-saneq-0184 oh yes, that and the 90s movies (Shin, ZO and J) are what got me into it. I loved W especially.
I also got disappointed with this show. Kamen Rider is sometimes sad and dramatic, but this show went too far. It was tiresome to keep up.
I love this political version of kamen rider
It felt a little off compared to the old one, but has more flesh to it compared to the old one.
@@wamengxiong0409 OG KR Black is similar to the original Kamen Rider style story telling, a man who was destined to be a weapon for evil, but managed to turn that power into means to fight the evil that created it.
正直仮面ライダーのリブートとして出すより、新しいダークヒーロー物で出した方が人気出たんじゃないかな。
誰も観なくなるんじゃ。
当時のファンとライダーファンを取り込みたかっただろうし。
造形も設定も映像も良かったのにチープすぎるメッセージ性が悪目立ちして全てを台無しにしてるのほんとに残念すぎる
殿様飛蝗怪人の造形めちゃくちゃ好き
私の作品に対するモヤモヤ感を完璧に言語化してくれたコメント
ありがとう。
なんだろう、もっと深みのある脚本であって欲しかった。
差別されまくったからキレて暴れたってチープ過ぎる
平等だの理解だの言ってた葵が最後はテロリストになる皮肉
人間も怪人も裏にあるのは排他意識と暴力性という安っぽい動機だけと言いたかったんかね
チュン助とかリンチされてグロ死体にされてんのにキレて暴れたからチープは神視点杉
金出すからこの二人のブラックサンとシャドームーンだけ出てくるハイパーバトルDVDみたいなの作ってくれ
演者とスーツが勿体無い
"Yes we the literal cyborgs created by Nazis should be allowed to run free"
Well, kamen rider can
@@Sarisjackoviak1815 He Defected
Unless things are different from the original Black, Gorgam were just a massive cult. Shocker were the Nazis.
You're confusing Shocker with Gorgam
@@justincholos.balisang6884 I said the same thing. But RUclips removed my reply for mentioning who Shocker was based on despite them being mentioned in the initial comment.
この作品仮面ライダーなのに、ライダー要素が足を引っ張り過ぎてんだよな
すごいシリアスな話なのに必ず｢変身｣って言って変身するから滑稽に見えた
ドラマとして出来すぎてたから気持ちは分かる。まあ一応仮面ライダーだから…
白石和彌氏が「変身ポーズ無い方が白石監督らしいよ」って言われたけどどうしても入れたかったらしいね
英雄
Tbh with you, this is like copying the idea from Kamen Rider Faiz..i mean, Orphonoc case would be more thought provocking in my opinion..
yes they have same stories like orphenoc expect they are orphenoc since born and have been kaijin for generation 🤔
The kaijins are actually exist because of human experiment.
Kamen Rider Black Sun is actually remake version of Kamen Rider Black and Kamen Rider Black RX from showa era
It's a universal story. On racism, politics and society as a whole. This could actually be more into the X-Men territory than Faiz.
え
めっちゃ面白かったよ?w
思想やメッセージ性は限りなくクソに近いのに面白いとかいう稀有な作品だった
他人には絶対勧めないが
Excuse me, just want to ask,does this show badly received in japan ?
ぶっちゃけblackをリスペクトするのはいいんだけど、10話で旧OPが流れた時にシリアスで通してきた本作を全て台無しにしてしまった気がした。
シリアス部分にこのOPはマジで合わないだろって思って、とても冷めてしまった。
原作も好きで思い入れはあるけど、個人的にはこのような過度なリスペクトをするリメイクは好みではなかったな
わかります。ブラックサンはかなり攻めたドラマとアクションで面白い作品だと思います
ですが仮面ライダーブラックという強すぎるIPを背負ってしまったのが却って足枷になってるように感じます
既存のIPを使って奇抜なことをやる難しさがひしひしと伝わってきます
@@logos_malos_metsu
そうなんですよねぇ。
旧OPを流すのを喜ぶのは、原作に思い入れがあるファンで、新規の方や知らない方からしたら「何やこのOP……」ってなると思います。
実際そういった感想が見られました。
既存のIPを使う場合、原作好きなファンを喜ばせるのはひっそりとしたやり方でいいと思うんですよね。例えば原作の主人公をやられた俳優さんをちょい役で出演させるとか。
理想はキカイダーリブートなんですよね、自分の中では。
最高のファンメイドという評価を得た庵野監督のシンシリーズを見習ってほしい
ポリコレとか政治関係なく普通におもんなかったんだよなこれ、スーツと最後のブラックサンとシャドウムーンの殴り合いだけは最高だった
ほんとそれ
逆に良かったのは時代設定と思想的な所だけですよね。
ライダー部分の設定はガバガバだしBLACKのリブートとしては愛が足りない。リブートというよりBLACKという屋号を利用しただけと感じました。
@@miscli3212 クソかっこいい変身ポーズの切り抜き動画に釣られて本編を見てしまった被害者の会
@@ブーブーブラッド 過去と現在が交錯するシナリオで再開した時昔の仲間は過去の姿のままで主人公だけ歳を取ってる感じとかめっちゃ好きな設定なんですよね、登場人物に脳みそ入ってないから全部台無しなんですけど
ライダー周りの設定は人気作でも深く回収されない事あるから甘く見てたんですけど、謎復活からの諸々で完全に心折れましたねえ！
@@恵方巻きアンチ見せて貰ってる立場の分際でなんで被害者面が出来るのか不思議で仕方ない
何でゴジラ−1.0は評価するのにこっちは評価しないんだい？
最後の葵のシーンとゴジラの山田裕貴のところは同じことを言ってるのに何で前者は戦争誘導、後者は胸熱シーンにされてるのかよくわからない
多分評価してる人がちゃうんやろ
こっちは一貫性が無いから。
シャドー･ムーンはＢlack／ＲＸシリーズの方がカッコイイ。
あれなんか思ったのと違うなあれなんか思ったよりショボいなと思いながら見ててスーツでりんご食う演技してる所で完全に萎えた
主演二人の変身シーンは後世に残るお宝映像
な
仮面ライダーに裏切られたネトウヨが発狂してて可哀想な作品だった
シン・仮面ライダーもそうですけど、好きじゃないならネチネチ文句言わずに見なきゃ良いのになぁと思います。
@@ねねほ-w3m なんで喧嘩腰なんです？(笑)
お前らガキみてぇな喧嘩してねぇで好きなものは好き、嫌いなら嫌いで互いに不干渉で良いだろ見苦しい
こうやって煽ってる時点で君も同じ存在だよ？
現実じゃないしウヨサヨ関係なくね？
スズメかわいい
惨い殺され方するんだけどね…
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