My brother in law went to an conference on aging back in the 70’s . Two very old men recognized one another and realized they knew each other in their youth. Turns out they had both been stage coach drivers on Butterfield stage lines which ran in rural areas of California in the early 1900’s.
Interesting. I used to live in Gainesville Texas, off of California Street, named because that’s where the Butterfield Stagecoach left from. The movie theater is called Butterfield Stage.
My Grandfather and Uncle Tom drove wagons from Indian Territory to Flagstaff, Arizona in 1898. Your presentation helps me understand what they had to deal with in there long trips. Thanks so much.
My great grandfather lived in Oakland Ca. He suffered a stroke and moved to a farm outside Middletown in Lake Co. Ca. to live with his daughter , my grandmother. He took the train to Calistoga, but in 1917 cars and buses couldn't make the grade over Mt. St. Helena to Lake Co. He took a stagecoach.
The Stagecoach Inn on I-35 in Salado, TX, had a genuine 19th C stagecoach in its main parking lot for many years. I remember as a kid stopping there to be photographed in the stagecoach. It was great, very authentic. Great review, thanks for posting.
Dickens in the opening chapter of a ‘Tale of Two Cities’ describes the Dover mail coach struggling up Shooters Hill outside London, the horses were continually trying to turn around and go back down the hill, the mail coaches in England were the fastest coaches and always travelled through the night
I worked at a 'cowboy steakhouse' in AZ when I was in my early 20s - I was privileged to work with a fellow named Dale who drove the stage coach for customers. He taught me how to harness and drive his two blond Belgians - Dale was a great guy, sharp wit and loved those horses like they were his children! What a fun time! Doing family research I ran across a picture of my great grandfather on his dray-wagon at the railroad - he drove cargo from the rail road to wherever it needed to be delivered. Thanks for the video!
Great explanation of the stage coach. An American, Freeman Cobb started a coaching line during the gold rushes in Australia in the 1850s and the last Cobb & Co coach ran in Queensland in the mid 1920s.
Want to see lots of these? Head to the museum in Cardston Alberta, where they restore these and others. They take them right down to the bare wood and painstakingly repaint them by hand no less. Lots of tack and other historic stuff there too! Just amazing.
My grandparents were born in the 1880's..... my dad's mother would only let him drive as fast as a horse could run..... that's the way it was in the 1960's.😊❤🙏
Sir Winston Churchill is credited with this statement: "I have always considered that the substitution of the internal combustion engine for the horse marked a very gloomy milestone in the history of mankind. I concur.
@@klauskarbaumer6302 And I'll bet you have a car that you use for normal transportation. The "slower pace of life" suited wealthy people, but the days that were dominated by horse-drawn transportation were pretty darn hard for most people. Never mind having to clean up the horse manure constantly. This was a real problem in cities. Horses didn't last as beasts of burden and personal transportation because other forms of transportation and power were so much better. Now hobbyists such as yourself enjoy them but rarely use them in as in days of yore.
Excellent video! Very well put together. I often think of the stagecoaches of England when travelling along its beautiful roads and passing its old inns.
Wonderful video. Thank you for these interesting facts. I can just imagine how difficult it must have been for all those travellers, horses and donkeys included 😊
Interesting/informative/entertaining. Excellent photography pictures of those different coach styles🤗. Enabling viewers 👀 to better understand what the orator is describing😉. My favorite was the Borax ( 20-muel team ) soap box picture🤗.
The reason coaches in the UK were slow is because the unmade roads were a sea of mud, often up to a mile wide. I live on the outer edge of London, at one day's journey, ten miles from the centre, and every town along that radius has one or more coaching inns - Barnet had dozens.
Stagecoaches were an impetus behind the construction of toll roads. The good surfaces (almost up tonRoman standards) significantly reduced journey times on major routes.
Question : what was the whip for? Not explained. Anyway. Loved this video. Impressed with the thought of how skilful the drivers had to be, mostly glossed over in the countless Westerns we all watched. 78 yrs old here.
Beautiful video program! I understand that driving and handling the horses of a stagecoach effectively was quite a skill and that during the days of the B-western a supporting or character actor by the name of Bud Osborne was employed a great deal for driving the coaches in the movies he appeared in and in other films, as well.
A bloke by the name of Freeman Cobb from Massachusetts and a few mates introduced US style stage coaches onto the Australian gold fields in 1853. They were critical infrastructure for great prosperity, but nobody in these loyal British Colonies was going to say thanks to an upstart Yank when not even 80 years had passed since the Revolution.
One of the first movies uses a very old train, one of the first trains, it had refitted coaches for cars. I think the costumes were original from the time depicted early 19th century. Maybe out of trunks in attics.
I always wondered what it would be like to ride on stagecoach. Seem so roads still had to be constantly worked on, at least in North East, so they must of had some sort of graders or drags to smooth out bumps.........
Here in Australia, the equivalent of Wells Fargo was Cobb & Co. started by an american Freeman Cobb who saw the need to get people to the goldfields the same as in San Francisco which resulted in Wells Fargo being formed. Cobb and Co. is a part of Australian history.
At 6:00 narrator says horses drove max 3 hours at 15 miles limit. So what we see in the movies is way wrong. The horses just walked , trotted at 5 miles per hour
I have a book entitles "Wagons West 1590-1900" by Richard Dunlop that contains a photograph taken on 15 April 1868. The photo is of a railroad train of 15 flatcars carrying 30 Concord coaches from the factory in Concord, New Hampshire for delivery to Wells Fargo in Omaha and Salt Lake. That would hae been something so see.
I was disappointed that there was nothing in this video about the construction of Abbot & Downing coaches built in Concord New Hampshire. I think they were the best stages ever built.
If the whip wasn't used, including because just the mere sound of it could be frightening for man and beast, then indeed the question is why did it become such a key symbol for the driver?
It was a long , tiring time , dangerous too for murder and death. The railroad was a godsend in that all these hazards disappeared. In continental travel the time was shortened from possibly 2-3 months TO 3-6 days
My brother in law went to an conference on aging back in the 70’s . Two very old men recognized one another and realized they knew each other in their youth. Turns out they had both been stage coach drivers on Butterfield stage lines which ran in rural areas of California in the early 1900’s.
Back in the 70’s I once met a very old man who remembered the stagecoaches of his youth, before WW1. This was in the Lake District, England.
@@rogerleelewis3621 Butterfield stage road, Arizona?
Butterfield was practically trancontinental. St Louis to San Francisco via AZ. Dozens of thru stops and horse-changing stations.
Interesting. I used to live in Gainesville Texas, off of California Street, named because that’s where the Butterfield Stagecoach left from. The movie theater is called Butterfield Stage.
My Grandfather and Uncle Tom drove wagons from Indian Territory to Flagstaff, Arizona in 1898. Your presentation helps me understand what they had to deal with in there long trips. Thanks so much.
And their skills.
Not a dangerous occupation for the faint of hearted😳
My grandma lived in the horse era. She called our little county busses 'puddle junpers' . She was a wonderful woman!
Thank you , this was educational and entertaining , much appreciated 👌🏻👍🏻🏴🇬🇧
My great grandfather lived in Oakland Ca. He suffered a stroke and moved to a farm outside Middletown in Lake Co. Ca. to live with his daughter , my grandmother. He took the train to Calistoga, but in 1917 cars and buses couldn't make the grade over Mt. St. Helena to Lake Co. He took a stagecoach.
The Stagecoach Inn on I-35 in Salado, TX, had a genuine 19th C stagecoach in its main parking lot for many years. I remember as a kid stopping there to be photographed in the stagecoach. It was great, very authentic. Great review, thanks for posting.
Charles Dickens in his first visit to the US in 1842 gives an excellent account of travelling about the US in a stagecoach. Well worth a read!
Dickens in the opening chapter of a ‘Tale of Two Cities’ describes the Dover mail coach struggling up Shooters Hill outside London, the horses were continually trying to turn around and go back down the hill, the mail coaches in England were the fastest coaches and always travelled through the night
What a great video! 🙋
Thank you for honoring the horse.
It's fascinating to see how we made do with what we had in earlier times.
I worked at a 'cowboy steakhouse' in AZ when I was in my early 20s - I was privileged to work with a fellow named Dale who drove the stage coach for customers. He taught me how to harness and drive his two blond Belgians - Dale was a great guy, sharp wit and loved those horses like they were his children! What a fun time!
Doing family research I ran across a picture of my great grandfather on his dray-wagon at the railroad - he drove cargo from the rail road to wherever it needed to be delivered.
Thanks for the video!
My Dad started the Southern Indiana Draft Horse & Mule Ass back in the 1980s - I love those Draft Horses - & Mules of course!
It's a relaxing and nostalgic experience to ride a stagecoach. I did it in California. FSLN
Great explanation of the stage coach. An American, Freeman Cobb started a coaching line during the gold rushes in Australia in the 1850s and the last Cobb & Co coach ran in Queensland in the mid 1920s.
There is a Cobb & co museum in Toowoomba QLD I have taken my children to twice. It is excellent and well worth a visit.
Wow That's a lot of good information thanks for the details.
Dropping off to sleep was a serious problem in those days. Sleepers on the roof, dropped off.
Mark Twain's book " Roughing It" describes his 1860s trip across the West in a stagecoach.
Where can I get the book?
Want to see lots of these? Head to the museum in Cardston Alberta, where they restore these and others. They take them right down to the bare wood and painstakingly repaint them by hand no less. Lots of tack and other historic stuff there too! Just amazing.
My grandparents were born in the 1880's..... my dad's mother would only let him drive
as fast as a horse could run..... that's the way it was in the 1960's.😊❤🙏
Still Hooked~~ I Now Have MY "Gold 👍 Handled STAGECOACH Anniversary MUG.!! 87 yr old Londoner.🐎🐎
I’ve lost interest in ‘Western’ movies but found this video fascinating and educational. 👍
Fascinating video...Thanks for posting
Thanks for the stage coach history lesson. The United States has had a great, but not easy, history.
An excellent piece of work on an anachronistic mode of transport. The visuals are informative and the commentary ---- crystal clear.
Top whip in California--> The great Charley Parkhurst!🐎
Sir Winston Churchill is credited with this statement: "I have always considered that the substitution of the internal combustion engine for the horse marked a very gloomy milestone in the history of mankind. I concur.
He might have said in the history of mankind
Thank you. You are right, I corrected it now. I don't know where my head was when I wrote that.
You've been watching too many TV shows. What is so wonderful about a bunch of horses all over the place?
@@emmgeevideo The looks, the slower pace of life, besides I have had horses and worked with them for 61 years now and still love it.
@@klauskarbaumer6302 And I'll bet you have a car that you use for normal transportation. The "slower pace of life" suited wealthy people, but the days that were dominated by horse-drawn transportation were pretty darn hard for most people. Never mind having to clean up the horse manure constantly. This was a real problem in cities. Horses didn't last as beasts of burden and personal transportation because other forms of transportation and power were so much better. Now hobbyists such as yourself enjoy them but rarely use them in as in days of yore.
Worth my time to watch this 👍
Excellent video! Very well put together. I often think of the stagecoaches of England when travelling along its beautiful roads and passing its old inns.
Wonderful video. Thank you for these interesting facts. I can just imagine how difficult it must have been for all those travellers, horses and donkeys included 😊
Nice 👍
Thank you for posting.
We'll put together lots of interesting information.. Not to mention all the beautiful artwork in the video and paintings.🤠
They mentioned that a horse in California pulled a stage for 15 years, traveling a quarter of a million miles; I hope my car can equal that!
Debbie. Brilliant Documentary! Butterfield stsge~~ memories come Flooding Back !! Thank you.🐎🐎
VERY GOOD! In some ways we have lost so much!
Nice history lesson!
I really enjoyed it!
Very informative and interesting video! Thanks!
1:20 I saw that rear boot and immediately thought of Lee Marvin's first reveal in the wonderful western comedy, _Cat Ballou._
These were pioneers who created roads where non existed and those who braved the journey created countries like America ❤
An excellent video; thank you.
rode in the wells fargo stage in a parade . fun.well done.
So interesting, thank you!
Interesting video with some good info put out to us viewers. Good job!
Great, informative video, thanks.
Thanks for uploading wonderful history.
GRacias por esta belleza de video Me suscribi Eran dias duros los de la diligencia ...
Thanks for the great history on Stagecoach 🎉
A video with images of a glorious era.
In the movie Stagecoach it was amazing how many people they got in that thing.
Interesting/informative/entertaining. Excellent photography pictures of those different coach styles🤗. Enabling viewers 👀 to better understand what the orator is describing😉. My favorite was the Borax ( 20-muel team ) soap box picture🤗.
Very well done!! I appreciate your research! 🙂
It's called the Remington Carriage Museum and it's on you tube.
A very interesting documentary
Thank you
Princeton NJ was the "stage stop" for pre-railroad trips between NYC and Philly. Lots of hotels, inns and stock-support.
And the Concord Coach was made by Abbot & Downing company in Concord NH and shipped west by train on flatcars
The reason coaches in the UK were slow is because the unmade roads were a sea of mud, often up to a mile wide. I live on the outer edge of London, at one day's journey, ten miles from the centre, and every town along that radius has one or more coaching inns - Barnet had dozens.
Stagecoaches were an impetus behind the construction of toll roads. The good surfaces (almost up tonRoman standards) significantly reduced journey times on major routes.
Question : what was the whip for? Not explained. Anyway. Loved this video. Impressed with the thought of how skilful the drivers had to be, mostly glossed over in the countless Westerns we all watched. 78 yrs old here.
if i were tied to 5 other people i don't thank i could run. horses are magnificent animals.
Bc you are not a f horse!
And strong as hell
Beautiful video program! I understand that driving and handling the horses of a stagecoach effectively was quite a skill and that during the days of the B-western a supporting or character actor by the name of Bud Osborne was employed a great deal for driving the coaches in the movies he appeared in and in other films, as well.
I loved it very much. Thank you
It’s just amazing how fast we went from stagecoaches over to cars, trucks and buses. I would say less than twenty years.
Excellent video man
A bloke by the name of Freeman Cobb from Massachusetts and a few mates introduced US style stage coaches onto the Australian gold fields in 1853. They were critical infrastructure for great prosperity, but nobody in these loyal British Colonies was going to say thanks to an upstart Yank when not even 80 years had passed since the Revolution.
I say thanks for man on the moon. Greetings from Australia.
Horse power ❤
My grampa born in 1886 Got to see us go from Horse & Buggy to landing on the moon. 1986 He lived alone & still drove. Not a bad run. !
Thank you for the video, you have given me much information that I did not know.
Riding in a stage was miserable but many cases the only form of travel.
A visit to a chiropractic clinic afterwards😳
The modern term "Bus" is derived from the 18th.c name for a city horse bus as "Omnibus" meaning universal bus.
Interesting video, I was hoping for a discussion on the rates charged...
I would like to have heard more about the leather slung coaches used by Cobb & Co which handled rough ground better than coaches with Iron springs.
There used to be a stagecoach route on Catalina Island, off CA.
Excellent
It's gonna suck when we have to go back to this.
One of the first movies uses a very old train, one of the first trains, it had refitted coaches for cars. I think the costumes were original from the time depicted early 19th century. Maybe out of trunks in attics.
Nice video
Nifty presentation. Covers a whole lot of territory.
I always wondered what it would be like to ride on stagecoach. Seem so roads still had to be constantly worked on, at least in North East, so they must of had some sort of graders or drags to smooth out bumps.........
That was full of good stuff. Subbed for more.
There is a stage coach at the old train station in Omaha NE.
Very good doc ;O)
MY ONLY EXPERIENCE RIDING IN A COACH WAS AT KNOTTS BERRY FARM IN SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA AS A KID IN THE EARLY 1960'S!!!!
Here in Australia, the equivalent of Wells Fargo was Cobb & Co. started by an american Freeman Cobb who saw the need to get people to the goldfields the same as in San Francisco which resulted in Wells Fargo being formed. Cobb and Co. is a part of Australian history.
There is a beautiful scale model of stage coach by Artesanato Latino a Spanish model makers in wood kit in 1:10 scale
At 6:00 narrator says horses drove max 3 hours at 15 miles limit. So what we see in the movies is way wrong. The horses just walked , trotted at 5 miles per hour
I have a book entitles "Wagons West 1590-1900" by Richard Dunlop that contains a photograph taken on 15 April 1868. The photo is of a railroad train of 15 flatcars carrying 30 Concord coaches from the factory in Concord, New Hampshire for delivery to Wells Fargo in Omaha and Salt Lake. That would hae been something so see.
Thank you very much for this informative post, and thank you doubly for using a real person to narrate , I detest A I.
The term “station wagon“ is when a vehicle used to pick you up from the train station to take you to the nearby town?
Concord coach,made in new hMpshire
That had to be a hot/cold/dusty/wet ride 🙈🤕
Stage coach, the original greyhound
The world's first Bus/Omnibus was invented in the year1662 by Mr.Blaise Pascal ,the French inventor and Mathematician.
I was disappointed that there was nothing in this video about the construction of Abbot & Downing coaches built in Concord New Hampshire. I think they were the best stages ever built.
I bet the trip across America on a tarred road was far more comfortable than an old trail.
And I always thought riding shotgun was because of the 2 barrels being side by side like the driver and passenger. 😂😂
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If the whip wasn't used, including because just the mere sound of it could be frightening for man and beast, then indeed the question is why did it become such a key symbol for the driver?
Unfortunately this video doesn't mention that the stage coaches used in the United States were built in Concord,New Hampshire.
It was a long , tiring time , dangerous too for murder and death. The railroad was a godsend in that all these hazards disappeared. In continental travel the time was shortened from possibly 2-3 months TO 3-6 days
Dang the freight hauler I drive can run 500 Mile in a day did he say 70 miles in a day stagecoach?
As a long distance cyclist, I’ve never felt so fast.