Heresy had several babies; the children of the Protestant Revolution are Secular Humanism, the Enlightenment, Masonry, and Marxism. They are all a watering-down of Catholic Faith, a prideful rebellion.
Thank you for covering Rev Brett’s situation. I am from the North of England and I have thanked the Lord often that we have got a bold Godly man, who has very strong biblical morals and principles. Christianity in Britain is at its lowest ebb imaginable and to have a Godly spokesperson, with a high online and public profile is a blessing for Britain! The apostasy and heresy of the C of E has given Britain a completely wrong negative view of the church and the Kingdom of God. Brett Murphy was changing that view. I have followed his career from when he was having grave concerns in the C of E and I have found his you tube vlogs to be inspiring and extremely encouraging, in these difficult times. What has happened to him and his family is yet another set back for the church and an absolute tragedy for the Murphy family! I have faith that God will open another door for our brother and he will go on to achieve even greater things for the Kingdom of God. That said, it is still massively important that the truth be made known and that John Fenwick faces the consequences of any wrong doing. I pray for Brett and his family and I pray for the body of Christ, that our Almighty God be glorified before men! Thank you again.
@@COASTER-o2h I go to an Evangelical free church in Chorley. It is a biblical teaching church, no judgement and full of love and kindness. Would be good to seek a church like that. Get away from all this state regimental rules. Just live and preach Gods word! Hierarchy just complicate things! I believe we are all God’s children and whilst some are called to teach/preach. I don’t recall seeing anything about being called to Lord it over others!
@@debbiewareing1178 I go somewhere similar debbie , its not like there is a church of England anymore anyway. YT just "put up " the story, so i saw it., I used to still have hope for Anglicanism in this country , i hoped for help from US and Africa. . I liked your last point especially. Maybe Brett will find another remnant Church..
I was glad you covered Father Brett's story. He is a godly man and a great ambassador for our Lord Jesus. Keep up the great work gentlemen. May God bless you and your families, and Father Brett.
Father is generally reserved for priests in the Roman Catholic Church. As Mr Murphy appears not to have a church willing to have him as a preacher, I'm not sure what title would be appropriate. How about Grand Wizard?
Brett Murphy took over Emmanuel church just a few years ago when its congregation consisted only of 2 people in their 80s. He now has 50 people and some children too. How sad to lose all that and he has to leave the house on the very day their baby is due. All their money went to setting up that church. I reckon it's a real attack on one of the few who are preaching truth in the UK. Prayers very much needed I think.
@@Jasna-zd2zl what a testimony, let us just keep on mentioning father Brett's name and his family in our prayers, and remember; Jesus said you will suffer persecution for my name sake and that is what father Brett and his family are facing; and Jesus said it is expedient for me to go so that the Father can send the Holy Spirit in my name; father Brett remember that the helper the Holy Spirit is in us and with us so never be discouraged what ever the situation, and everyone stay blessed in Jesus name the name above every other name whereby we must be saved ✝️✡️🕎🙏♥️
So glad you've highlighted Father Brett's plight and the absolute injustice of it!! I live in Northern Ireland but i regularly watched his services on the RUclips stream & his weekly blogs! His 'State of the Nation' video was spot on & if that is what led to his dismissal, then the church (ie Bishop Fenwick) has serious issues with the truth!!!
I just came from Joel Richardson’s channel where he held a zoom with Christian converts spreading the good news in Iran, Lebanon, Iraq, Saudi Arabia….so dangerous is their work that they need to blur their faces and distort their voices. But those voices were so full of love, joy and gratitude for Him. Incredibly inspiring. Towards the end they each sent a message on how we could help. You know what they all said? “West, sort it out, come back to the church, and the church must come back to the true teachings, you are on a dangerous & foolish path” Think about that, a message to the west from the Middle East to return to the Lord. In their lands they saw great hope, less so in ours. How very lost we are indeed. “Destroyed by lack of knowledge” and ultimately of leadership. There will be a warm welcome home for many of those church ‘leaders’ come that day, just not the kind of warmth they were hoping for. 💔
@@GraemetheGuiriLordHaHa the growth rate of the church in Iran is greater than anywhere else. Afghanistan is second highest. It’s incredible at the same time as it’s understandable. And Muslims have such passionate faith it’s especially beautiful when they give it over to the one true God. Their bravery should shame and inspire us. Maranatha 🙏
I jave been to Bretts church 4 times. More treaditional than I'm used to, but an alive and growing community, with great teaching from scripture. My teenagers loved the authenticity and reality of it. I am very involved in my local parish chirch so not free to go that often. But my twonolder kids at 15 amd 18 have made thwlr own way there catching 2 busses and a train takimg over 2 hours each way (amd actually paying for their own tickets !). It lacks credulity that any sane bishop would seek to kill a chirch alive and growing. I pray tjat if he does not repent that God brings him home early.
How wonderful that your children are blessed by Father Brett's ministry. He is indeed a godly man. I pray that God will open other doors for Brett's faithful ministry and provide the security of a home for his family.
New subscriber here. Thank you for telling us more about the situation with Rev Brett Murphy. I have been following him daily for several months now and am appalled at what has happened to him. (from Coventry, England).
A very strong episode. Thank you! Your comment, George, about there being a two-tier system in England - those who are favoured and those who are not - is just about the most succinct and accurate summary of the situation that I have encountered.
Thanks for bringing Brett Murphy's case to a wider audience. I really feel for him and the heartless way he has been treated. Surely there needs to be a system put in place where bishops who have lost the plot can be called to account. Or ditch the concept of bishop altogether - it is dubiously biblical!
Wonderful counsel from two older men to a younger brother. So good to see the caring for one another that should be characteristic of the church. May God continue to fill will you with His wisdom.
At 50:43 I recently retired from many years as a small department manager in Orange County, California. We have a young staff- mostly in their 20's and 30's- and over the years it's consistently surprised me that probably 90% have been regular church-goers. Most are Catholic, while the others attend everything from nondenominational churches, Calvary Chapel, Seventh-Day Adventist, Presbyterian, Episcopal, Eastern Orthodox, Worldwide Church of God, you name it. The Catholic church I attend has seven services every Sunday (in English, Vietnamese, Spanish, Tagalog) and each service is a full house. When I hear people talk of the decline of Christianity it's difficult for me to grasp, because what I see here with my own eyes is the opposite.
This should make you chuckle... "His leadership has not only preserved the church's historical identity but has also equipped it to face the challenges of the modern world. Fenwick's commitment to orthodox Anglicanism and his dynamic approach to ministry continue to inspire clergy and laypeople alike." Has just been deleted from John Fenwick's Wikipedia page as "spurious"
Soooh pleased you shared the Brett Murphy story, This is a disgrace and this guy needs our prayers more than anything,, Love the new mug Kevin Keep talkin' and Gpd bless you both
I'm in England and part of the few CofE churches that stick to orthodox Anglicanism and the gospel. This is putting a massive burden on our vicar and I myself have had with dismay to reconsider my disserment process due to the apostasy of the CofE at large. With the FCE also out of the map. What hope is there for new Anglican ordinands today in the world? Are we really dying after all? I've to admit, I'm a bit depressed about this.
Interesting mention of priest’s office vs. study: a distinction by the change of words is also seen in the Roman church when young priests say, "I work at [parish]." Those before Vatican II always said, “I serve in [parish.]" Big difference. Great discussion as always.
Thank you. Always a delight to be in the presence of those who love the Lord Jesus Christ and His Gospel and and are here to share it with those willing to listen.
The way to deal with clergy discipline issues fairly would be to give clergy employment status and access to the ACAS procedures in England. This would mean external independent adjudication not directed by a bent Bishop - of which the C of E has far too many. They won't want to do that though because they hate fairness, light and justice.
I hope Bp Sutton is taking note of what his sister church is getting up to. Although he has not authority as such over Fenwick, he nevertheless has _influence_ I pray he use that influence to the best of his power to hold Fenwick to account
I was wondering if you two would cover this. Thank you for covering this in your professional forensic style. Why do these control freaks get into positions of responsibility among the people of God.
The same thing is going on right now in the Episcopal Diocese of Dallas, Texas. We would appreciate forensic investigation into Bishop Sumner, specifically in the case of Fr. Ed Monk and his family.
The heart of this problem is the control of property. One solution is to establish independent self-supporting congregations united by their common beliefs and patterns of worship. The next problem is the necessity to raise sufficient regular and stable giving to support a minister. This is a daunting prospect for small congregations. It is resolved in one way by Christian Brethren congregations who have no minister but the men in the congregation prepare and give sermons or reflections when the people gather for worship on Sundays.
Kevin, If you are still in Southern Maryland on Sunday, consider worshipping at Christ Church Accokeek, an ACNA parish founded in 1698. It is a wonderful place with a strong faith and witness, and the building dates to the 1730's or 1740's.
On the names of churches, spires on them, etc. Well we're here in merry old England and have a chapel, praise the Lord. Many times people didn't realise it was a church because it didn't have a steeple, so we put a nice big banner on the railings facing the street, with 'Lowdham Christian Chapel' emblazoned on it in big letters and now they know and that confusion has gone. We tend to assume the culture still understand what we do, but many other people really don't know anymore, in this case that a chapel is a church building, albeit a small church!
Teenage boys in the midwest are now sporting those haircuts. I saw a group of five of them all together in a supermarket in northern Michigan about two weeks ago. :-D
I live in the next town to morcambe, Blackpool and I’ve just heard about this. There is a 6th century Anglo Saxon church right next to morcambe with a Viking tombstone.
Thing is the dropping of the word church for say 'Mission Community' is just an outward sign of the church more broadly conforming to the world. On its own it might not be so bad but taken with everything else it is worrying.
How about planting a Church for Father Brett ? go on ANCA , you could do it if you wanted to. After all is said and done , there is a lot more said than done.
Mr. Kallsen, your high school was in a town/small city in the midwest. Mine was in a navy town in the Pacific Northwest. Most of my friends didn't attend church or were barely observant Roman Catholics. This was the early 1980s.
Calvin Robinson was only Deacon for the FEC. He is also very Catholic, he prays to Mary using the Rosary n also visits Apparition sites n relics. They never shafted him out.
@royquick-s5n Possibly because it was the only Anglican alternative? Although I thought that TAC had an outpost there? The "Traditional Anglican Communion."
@danmillar9582 the "sub tuum praesidium" dates to A.D. 250. In English it reads, "We fly to thy protection, O holy Mother of God; despise not our petitions in our necessities, but deliver us always from all dangers, O glorious and blessed Virgin. Amen.'
Not surprising, though sad, to hear of more and more heroes of the faith falling away (Luke 18:8 '...when the Son of Man comes, will he find faith on the earth?'). Praise God for men like Brett Murphy who are continuing to proclaim the name of Jesus and His Gospel message.
Once upon a time there was a bishop who liked to sack ministers and close down growing and thriving churches. When his diocese finally ceased to exist he joined up with other bishops who had done the same and they all lived unhappily ever after.
A friend of mine who does guided tours of Canterbury cathedral told me that the cathedrals have to be self financing, they are not subsidised from the C of E 's vast investment wealth. They are massively expensive to maintain hence the use of the building for dubious entertainment purposes. They are currently having to redo botched repairs to the stonework done in the Victorian era. Puts a slightly different perspective on it even if you don't think it is right.
An 80s night? A 50s night? The trouble is that if I were invited to "come dressed for a 40s night" I would wear the same type of clothes I wore in the 2020s, the 80s...
Changing the word “church” to “worshipping communities” is NOT a “non-story” Kevin!!! At least, not in Britain. It is paving the way for a faster multi-faith state church, which is what King Charles would like to head up, as he wants to be the defender of all faiths, not of The Faith. Indeed, this is already happening in at least some dioceses (such as Truro) and it includes pagan worship as well as the other main religions. Of course has become fashionable in certain evangelical and Hebrew Roots circles to eradicate the word “church” and substitute the word “congregation”. This is because the word “church” gives some Jewish believers in Jesus the heebie-jeebies due to Christian Persecution, although how you deal with that by changing the name I’m not sure. The word “Ecclesia” actually means: “Called out from among” [the present world order] and this has far more meaning than merely “congregation”.
Fenwick comes across as being a type of Diotrophes. A bully who thinks he has carte blanche rule over his patch. Yes he needs prayer but unless he is humbled first I can't see repentance happening in him.
Im in a Scottish episcopal church. Its dying. I see growth in the low church evangelicals, but they think more like non-denominational churches. Im now in RCIA cos im done.
let me guess ... time for me to retire, I need to strip-mine the diocese & like my pockets before I leave ... Gen.50:20 - God will still get the glory out of this!!
Thank you so much for covering the court case ending in the shameful acquittal and subsequent lack of action against both the source of teaching that it is ok for a muslim to rape a 13 year old and the claim that it was inevitably her fault. It is a deep-rooted, enduring problem in the UK. The fear of standing up to clear muslim breaking of rules and law is widespread. While I was a hospital chaplain and head of two departments about 15 yeas ago, I was called by the intensive care unit at one of the Trust hospitals, since it was the security officer's day off. Apparently the small unit which housed about 6 beds had been invaded by around 90 muslims who had gathered to do their rites for a fellow believer who had died. When I arrived the unit was packed solid and the door was being policed by a handful of burly men who had been instructed by their leaders to let in any and all of 'the faithful', when the rule of the unit was maximum of two closest per bed, and only with permission. Members of staff couldn't get to any of the other beds of other patients to give ongoing treatment to all who needed 24 hour care. It was an impossible scenario. I tried politely requesting, negotiating, reasoning, and finally shouting to clear the room, but the ritual continued until completion and then each person went in turn to the bedside to pay their own respects. It was a weekend and no-one was available above me in the Trust to sanction a call to the police, and the incident illustrated the fear of authorities to stand up to muslims for fear of gaining the anti-label. The conundrum of equal rights and freedom of speech is, I suspect, something that most governments have not resolved in a variety of issues including race, gender, creed, and colour of skin. This was not the only problem caused for the chaplaincy team, particularly because the Trust would/could only give one room for all faiths and none, for services and meditation. That was another ongoing 'egg-shell' situation, for which my instruction was "to do the best I could".
@@royquick-s5n Thanks for this, I will investigate with my local MP. I have already sent him a copy of this letter, asking that these gross anomalies be put right, especially as he is currently standing for leader of the Conservative Party
The FCE never uses the term 'priest' for its ministers. Neither does it use the title 'Father' for its clergy. I know things are being changed by the northern diocese interloper, but these things still stand, as far as I understand it.
Heresy had several children; the children of the Protestant Revolution are Secular Humanism, the Enlightenment, Masonry, and Marxism. They are all a watering-down of Catholic Faith, a prideful rebellion.
I am a conservative RC and I follow Rev Murphy. In my opinion, he has been unnecessarily acerbic about some C of E clergy members. I am not defending those clergy members, but maybe Brett should have let them be. When a person has dependants, that person should think twice, and ask themself “ Am I truly called to say this publicly?”
KEVIN and GEORGE: Good Morning, from Somerset, in the West Country of England. I always listen to your invitation to "share this video", during your introduction, and feel guilty. Although I'm a Christian, neither my Civil Partner, nor any of our friends, would be interested in anything which the Church has to say, on anything. Most are hostile to the Church: although they do tend to back-track whenever I turn to our Lord, Jesus of Nazareth, when - even the most 'Church-hostile' of frineds - find themselves admitting, "There's nothing bad in Jesus". Naturally, there are those who pick on the verses they have learned which tend to reveal him as "For Jews only!" or as a promulgator of "2nd-Temple conceptions of the Cosmos: but, on the whole, Jesus of Nazareth is the Church's 'trump-card' (ought I to say that to Americans?). Kevin: I'm pleased to learn your daughter is now in a Vermont Psychiatric Hospital!!! During my own nursing education (in General Nursing) I, too, was in a Psychiatric Hospital (the Lancaster Moor Hospital: a great. grim, Gothic edifice, visible from the M6 motorway.), because the nurses' accommodation there was cheap; and I could make a little money serving in the Staff Social Club bar.. It's always a great conversation starter to state, "When I was in a Psychiatric Hospital......". Many of our friends probably consider I should be in one now. With regard to Brett Murphy, George you immediately identify him as "someone who is faithful to the gospel": as though those of us who do not treat, or read, our scriptures as Brett does (as a 'scriptural literalist'), are "unfaithful to the gospel". And herein lies the problem. The 'scriptural literalists' have a tendency to claim that they 'own' the gospel: whilst paying no attention to the official Anglican 'Doctrine of Scripture'. You continue to advise Brett to "rejoice in the sufferings which are being heaped upon him", because God will make use of them, George: but what of the couple's two little boys, and their expected third child? It is all very well to accept suffering for onesself: but to expect children to share in it? From the story, as presented on RUclips, It would appear that the Primus - Bishop John Fenwick - has his own problems: there have been past petitions for him to resign, before the 'Brett Murphy affair'.
It’s hard from all of this to understand the issues because no one mentions why the church felt he had to be disciplined. A more neutral description with substance is in a press release 17:12:2023 in Christian Concern
For better or for worse, the CoE exists for the monarchy: 1. King Charles III during his Coronation Oath on May 6, 2023 replied "All this I will do" when asked by the Archbishop of Canterbury, "And will you preserve unto the Bishops and Clergy of England, and to the Churches there committed to their charge, all such rights and privileges as by law do or shall appertain to them or any of them?" [Country Life Co UK /coronation/the-full-text-of-the-coronation-oaths-of-king-charles-iii-255228] 2. Moments later the new king stated: "I Charles do solemnly and sincerely in the presence of God profess, testify, and declare that I am a faithful PROTESTANT, and that I will, according to the true intent of the enactments which secure the PROTESTANT succession to the Throne, uphold and maintain the said enactments to the best of my powers according to law." [Ibid] 3. Earlier Charles III answered "All this I promise to do" when asked by the archbishop "Will you to the utmost of your power maintain in the United Kingdom the PROTESTANT Reformed Religion established by law?" [Ibid]
Heresy had several children; the children of the Protestant Revolution are Secular Humanism, the Enlightenment, Masonry, and Marxism. They are all a watering-down of Catholic Faith, a prideful rebellion.
@@royquick-s5n Isn't Vatican 2 the thing that most catholics think ruined the church? I don't think any words of man make HTB rock and roll church anything to do with Catholicism
@@royquick-s5n It's over now. I'm in an Anglo-Catholic CoE church and have to hear the government line repeated back, and everyone is horrified if you're anti-abortion or think the Bible is true.
You’re a rare person who listened to the rite. The thing he mentioned, the Anglican Settlement, is worth looking into. Vague. Vague. It’s whatever the reader wants it to be. One schism leads to another and another and another. Truth is diluted each time to a homeopathic level. Eventually the solvent has no active ingredient. Only the “memory” of it.
Recommend checking out Gavin Ortlund's video on Basham's book. Being left of a bob jones fundamentalist doesn't make you a leftist. It also seems her other critiques aren't standing up to journalistic muster. If she is as conservative as she presents herself, she should probably leave the public teaching to men.
@@ATVMinistries That may be John West's position on Gavin's video and that chapter. However, I think John West of the discovery institute is going to see it that way because he is who he is. He is going to be less concerned with misrepresentations of individuals discussed in her book, and more concerned with getting people to agree with his position on climate science. He is going to support her on the subject if her position supports his.
What are the sources specifically for the story from 34.25? It may be that you guys have certain advantages in calling attention to this story from the safe distance of USA! Little seen about this actual story in uk unless it is “fake news”.
I’ve read the Christian concern article. It seems that the issue was less his challenge of transgender theology and more the way he did it which they felt was very unloving and not in the spirit of Christ
What you say is absolutely true. But if these two men don't believe long standing evidence they should watch present day videos where rabbits talk about these matters quite openly.
I am really shocked and sad you supported Megan's book. She blatantly lies within it about Gavin Ortlund. She needs to repent for what she did to attack him.
Thank you for supporting Megan Balham’s critic of Gavin Ortland’ comments and perspective on climate change. I have listened to Gavin’s defence to her critique on Patreon and wrote down notes. I also read Megan’s book and compared her critique with his own defense and from my take, Megan was truthful. I have followed Gavin Ortland and had supported his ministry “Truth Unites” for 3 years. I appreciate his perspectives on theology proper, apologetics and his evangelical approach to ecumenism in the different sections of the Universal Church but I have been very disturbed on his approach to certain social issues. He is a young theologian but has his flaws as well. I have communicated with Gavin personally to my own criticism of his immature response to Megan. He has graciously acknowledged my perspective and I no longer support his ministry.
@@cdy1952 You simply illustrate the problem with Sola Scriptura. There is no divinely-guaranteed living teaching authority to decide what is doctrinal truth and what is not doctrinal truth. Each practitioner claims the "right interpretation" with the resultant doctrinal confusion and perpetual division.
Socialism and communism isn't the same. There are some amazing Christian Socialists in history. Christian Socialism is closer to Jesus Ministry in many respects. A responsible capitalism also has merits. But the appeal of socialism is that ownership of the means of production is now in the hands of the few not the many. Home ownership is a challenge and I am so fortunate. But we need a better system. Socialism isn't the opposite of Christianity or orthodoxy. Some types of socialism are. But the puritans weren't.
Can someone please explain what Brett Murphys beliefs are regarding the rcc, does he believes Roman Catholics that adhere to the rcc doctrine are saved ?
@@RevBrettMurphy not sure what the price of tea is in china brett but I’ve asked this question of you multiple times and you have never answered thank you for finally doing so 🙏✝️ you have a huge Catholic following especially a lot of ex Anglicans who now believe the rcc doctrine has got them right with Christ through Rome, if you are asking for support I want to know what you believe ) not having a dig just being a berean. Would be most unwise to support someone who supports welby or Rome 🙏✝️ Edit for poster below 👇 “Let me first say my concern is people’s salvation, that people are under sound teaching and hearing the gospel. You are changing the premise of my question this is about what the Bible says not any particular denomination so let’s get back to the point and ask does the Catholic Church fulfill the purposes of the church. The first purpose of the church is to teach biblical (apostolic) doctrine. Salvation by grace through faith is the most crucial issue, and the Catholic Church has turned “grace” into something to be earned, destroying the foundation of the gospel ( Galatians 1:6-9). In comparing Roman Catholicism with the Word of God, there are many other differences and contradictions as well. The Roman Catholic Church teaches many doctrines that are in disagreement with what the Bible declares. These include apostolic succession, worship of saints or Mary, prayer to saints or Mary, the pope/papacy, transubstantiation, plenary indulgences, the sacramental system, and purgatory. While Catholics claim scriptural support for these concepts, none of these teachings have any solid foundation in Scripture. These concepts are based on Catholic tradition, not the Word of God. In fact, they all clearly contradict biblical principles. Growing in Christian faith would be difficult while consistently being taught theology that is not supported with God’s Word. Second, the church is to be a place of fellowship where Christians can be devoted to one another and honor one another (Romans 12:10), instruct one another (Romans 15:14), be kind and compassionate to one another (Ephesians 4:32), encourage one another (1 Thessalonians 5:11), and, most importantly, love one another (1 John 3:11). This may be possible in the Catholic Church if there are other born-again believers worshiping and fellowshipping there, they may well be there but not because of the teachings of the RCC. Third, the church is a place to observe the Lord’s Supper. According to the requirements for eligibility for Catholic Mass, a non-Catholic would be unable to participate in Catholic Mass. Biblically, the purpose of communion is to remember the death of Jesus Christ and the new covenant and to “proclaim” His sacrifice by means of illustration (Matthew 26:28; Luke 22:19; 1 Corinthians 11:26). In a Catholic Church, the purpose of the Eucharist is something else entirely. When a person receives communion in a Catholic Church, the priest says, “The Body of Christ,” and the communicant responds, “Amen,” in agreement. This signifies a belief in transubstantiation. The majority of Protestants strongly disagree with the Catholic understanding of the Lord’s Supper, and it would be dishonest to say, “Amen.” The final purpose of the church given in Acts 2:42 is prayer. Catholics view Mary and the saints as “intercessors” before God. They believe that a saint, who is glorified in heaven, has more “direct access” to God than we do. Therefore, if a saint delivers a prayer to God, it is more effective than if we simply prayed to God directly. This concept is blatantly unbiblical. Hebrews 4:16 tells us that believers here on earth can “approach the throne of grace with confidence.” All believers are saints and priests (Romans 1:7; 1 Peter 2:5), and Jesus is our High Priest (Hebrews 4:14). There is no other mediator (1 Timothy 2:5). The thirty nine articles clearly articulate the difference in belief. Anglicans Online | The Thirty-Nine Articles. This is vastly contrary to the official teaching of Roman Catholicism which is that salvation is not by faith alone, through grace alone, in Christ alone. The Roman Catholic Church teaches that one must have good works and observe the rituals of Roman Catholicism in order to be saved.
@@royquick-s5n Let me first say my concern is people’s salvation, that people are under sound teaching and hearing the gospel. You are changing the premise of my question this is about what the Bible says not any particular denomination so let’s get back to the point and ask does the Catholic Church fulfill the purposes of the church. The first purpose of the church is to teach biblical (apostolic) doctrine. Salvation by grace through faith is the most crucial issue, and the Catholic Church has turned “grace” into something to be earned, destroying the foundation of the gospel ( Galatians 1:6-9). In comparing Roman Catholicism with the Word of God, there are many other differences and contradictions as well. The Roman Catholic Church teaches many doctrines that are in disagreement with what the Bible declares. These include apostolic succession, worship of saints or Mary, prayer to saints or Mary, the pope/papacy, transubstantiation, plenary indulgences, the sacramental system, and purgatory. While Catholics claim scriptural support for these concepts, none of these teachings have any solid foundation in Scripture. These concepts are based on Catholic tradition, not the Word of God. In fact, they all clearly contradict biblical principles. Growing in Christian faith would be difficult while consistently being taught theology that is not supported with God’s Word. Second, the church is to be a place of fellowship where Christians can be devoted to one another and honor one another (Romans 12:10), instruct one another (Romans 15:14), be kind and compassionate to one another (Ephesians 4:32), encourage one another (1 Thessalonians 5:11), and, most importantly, love one another (1 John 3:11). This may be possible in the Catholic Church if there are other born-again believers worshiping and fellowshipping there, they may well be there but not because of the teachings of the RCC. Third, the church is a place to observe the Lord’s Supper. According to the requirements for eligibility for Catholic Mass, a non-Catholic would be unable to participate in Catholic Mass. Biblically, the purpose of communion is to remember the death of Jesus Christ and the new covenant and to “proclaim” His sacrifice by means of illustration (Matthew 26:28; Luke 22:19; 1 Corinthians 11:26). In a Catholic Church, the purpose of the Eucharist is something else entirely. When a person receives communion in a Catholic Church, the priest says, “The Body of Christ,” and the communicant responds, “Amen,” in agreement. This signifies a belief in transubstantiation. The majority of Protestants strongly disagree with the Catholic understanding of the Lord’s Supper, and it would be dishonest to say, “Amen.” The final purpose of the church given in Acts 2:42 is prayer. Catholics view Mary and the saints as “intercessors” before God. They believe that a saint, who is glorified in heaven, has more “direct access” to God than we do. Therefore, if a saint delivers a prayer to God, it is more effective than if we simply prayed to God directly. This concept is blatantly unbiblical. Hebrews 4:16 tells us that believers here on earth can “approach the throne of grace with confidence.” All believers are saints and priests (Romans 1:7; 1 Peter 2:5), and Jesus is our High Priest (Hebrews 4:14). There is no other mediator (1 Timothy 2:5). The thirty nine articles clearly articulate the difference in belief. Anglicans Online | The Thirty-Nine Articles. This is vastly contrary to the official teaching of Roman Catholicism which is that salvation is not by faith alone, through grace alone, in Christ alone. The Roman Catholic Church teaches that one must have good works and observe the rituals of Roman Catholicism in order to be saved.
Let me first say my concern is people’s salvation, that people are under sound teaching and hearing the gospel. You are changing the premise of my question this is about what the Bible says not any particular denomination so let’s get back to the point and ask does the Catholic Church fulfill the purposes of the church. The first purpose of the church is to teach biblical (apostolic) doctrine. Salvation by grace through faith is the most crucial issue, and the Catholic Church has turned “grace” into something to be earned, destroying the foundation of the gospel ( Galatians 1:6-9). In comparing Roman Catholicism with the Word of God, there are many other differences and contradictions as well. The Roman Catholic Church teaches many doctrines that are in disagreement with what the Bible declares. These include apostolic succession, worship of saints or Mary, prayer to saints or Mary, the pope/papacy, transubstantiation, plenary indulgences, the sacramental system, and purgatory. While Catholics claim scriptural support for these concepts, none of these teachings have any solid foundation in Scripture. These concepts are based on Catholic tradition, not the Word of God. In fact, they all clearly contradict biblical principles. Growing in Christian faith would be difficult while consistently being taught theology that is not supported with God’s Word. Second, the church is to be a place of fellowship where Christians can be devoted to one another and honor one another (Romans 12:10), instruct one another (Romans 15:14), be kind and compassionate to one another (Ephesians 4:32), encourage one another (1 Thessalonians 5:11), and, most importantly, love one another (1 John 3:11). This may be possible in the Catholic Church if there are other born-again believers worshiping and fellowshipping there, they may well be there but not because of the teachings of the RCC. Third, the church is a place to observe the Lord’s Supper. According to the requirements for eligibility for Catholic Mass, a non-Catholic would be unable to participate in Catholic Mass. Biblically, the purpose of communion is to remember the death of Jesus Christ and the new covenant and to “proclaim” His sacrifice by means of illustration (Matthew 26:28; Luke 22:19; 1 Corinthians 11:26). In a Catholic Church, the purpose of the Eucharist is something else entirely. When a person receives communion in a Catholic Church, the priest says, “The Body of Christ,” and the communicant responds, “Amen,” in agreement. This signifies a belief in transubstantiation. The majority of Protestants strongly disagree with the Catholic understanding of the Lord’s Supper, and it would be dishonest to say, “Amen.” The final purpose of the church given in Acts 2:42 is prayer. Catholics view Mary and the saints as “intercessors” before God. They believe that a saint, who is glorified in heaven, has more “direct access” to God than we do. Therefore, if a saint delivers a prayer to God, it is more effective than if we simply prayed to God directly. This concept is blatantly unbiblical. Hebrews 4:16 tells us that believers here on earth can “approach the throne of grace with confidence.” All believers are saints and priests (Romans 1:7; 1 Peter 2:5), and Jesus is our High Priest (Hebrews 4:14). There is no other mediator (1 Timothy 2:5). The thirty nine articles clearly articulate the difference in belief. Anglicans Online | The Thirty-Nine Articles. This is vastly contrary to the official teaching of Roman Catholicism which is that salvation is not by faith alone, through grace alone, in Christ alone. The Roman Catholic Church teaches that one must have good works and observe the rituals of Roman Catholicism in order to be saved.
@@robmarshall956 You exemplify sectarian individualism. You are the ultimate authority. You are the ultimate interpreter. You contradict yourself. You say RCs back some of their doctrines with scripture, then you say they are unscriptural. You strike one valid point, i.e. intercession of saints, Yes, Jesus is our sole Mediator and Advocate and Savior, but, confusionally, RCs will admit that. You err on the 39 Articles, which to quote bishop and church historian J. R. H. Moorman, "are not meant to be a formulary of the Christian faith," and apply to "doctrinal disputes which were convulsing Europe at the time." I suggest that you contemplate the Vincentian Canon (434 AD): "Now in the Catholic Church itself we take the greatest care to hold that which has been believed everywhere, always, and by all," not that RCs do not need to scrutinize themselves with it also. As bishop and church historian Frank E. Wilson summarized, " . . . the only sensible way to interpret the Bible is by reference to the Church which made it. . . . First Christ--then the Church--then the Bible."🤔
Commonly misaligned seemingly especially in the USA. Socialism is all about attempting to harness the benefits of capitalism and spread them around a bit more so as to enable more people to succeed and add into the overall pot. The aim is never fully realised and is idealistic for sure, but ends up with things like the NHS a welfare safety net and pensions for the elderly, subsidised education and all that. Yes it means higher taxation andeaa freedom for the individual to determine where their money goes, but most who live in more socialist environments see the benefits and like it. Of course these things can be abused , and often are, but over all it means less poverty less inequality, and more opportunity. Communism is about total state control. Communism is also ultimately anti-christian, were as most early socialists were Christians who wanted to help the poor.
It’s not that simple. Communism is an extreme extension of socialism and the two can merge into the other. The current so called Woke movement has elements of Marxist ideology.
If I had a minister like Father Brett I would never have left the Anglican Church.
Thank you brothers for raising awareness and sharing the truth. God bless you both.
Heresy had several babies; the children of the Protestant Revolution are Secular Humanism, the Enlightenment, Masonry, and Marxism. They are all a watering-down of Catholic Faith, a prideful rebellion.
Brett, I could cry for you. You're a great Aussie. In my prayers
We're all praying for you! 🙏 God will provide 😊
The brothers could also try and get a Church planted for you.
Glad people are rallying round Brett, Morecambe is my neck of the woods, Brett seems like a good lad.
Thank you for covering Rev Brett’s situation.
I am from the North of England and I have thanked the Lord often that we have got a bold Godly man, who has very strong biblical morals and principles.
Christianity in Britain is at its lowest ebb imaginable and to have a Godly spokesperson, with a high online and public profile is a blessing for Britain! The apostasy and heresy of the C of E has given Britain a completely wrong negative view of the church and the Kingdom of God.
Brett Murphy was changing that view. I have followed his career from when he was having grave concerns in the C of E and I have found his you tube vlogs to be inspiring and extremely encouraging, in these difficult times.
What has happened to him and his family is yet another set back for the church and an absolute tragedy for the Murphy family!
I have faith that God will open another door for our brother and he will go on to achieve even greater things for the Kingdom of God.
That said, it is still massively important that the truth be made known and that John Fenwick faces the consequences of any wrong doing.
I pray for Brett and his family and I pray for the body of Christ, that our Almighty God be glorified before men!
Thank you again.
Amen 🙏
Even better if The ANCA or Gafcon planted a Church for him , no? i mean why not ?
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I go to an Evangelical free church in Chorley. It is a biblical teaching church, no judgement and full of love and kindness. Would be good to seek a church like that. Get away from all this state regimental rules. Just live and preach Gods word!
Hierarchy just complicate things! I believe we are all God’s children and whilst some are called to teach/preach. I don’t recall seeing anything about being called to Lord it over others!
@@debbiewareing1178 I go somewhere similar debbie , its not like there is a church of England anymore anyway. YT just "put up " the story, so i saw it., I used to still have hope for Anglicanism in this country , i hoped for help from US and Africa. . I liked your last point especially. Maybe Brett will find another remnant Church..
@@COASTER-o2h what does ANCA or Gafcon stands for 🙏
I was glad you covered Father Brett's story. He is a godly man and a great ambassador for our Lord Jesus. Keep up the great work gentlemen. May God bless you and your families, and Father Brett.
Father is generally reserved for priests in the Roman Catholic Church. As Mr Murphy appears not to have a church willing to have him as a preacher, I'm not sure what title would be appropriate. How about Grand Wizard?
@@brendanpells912 what is wrong with you? It does not usually go well for people who mock God's ministers.
@@patriottex4813never touch the anointed of God, David before being the King of Isreal new this that's why he did no harm to King Saul, ✝️✡️🕎🙏❤️
@@brendanpells912Brett was wronged. Not funny
@@brendanpells912 How about planting a Church for him ?
Brett Murphy took over Emmanuel church just a few years ago when its congregation consisted only of 2 people in their 80s.
He now has 50 people and some children too. How sad to lose all that and he has to leave the house on the very day their baby is due. All their money went to setting up that church.
I reckon it's a real attack on one of the few who are preaching truth in the UK. Prayers very much needed I think.
It wasn't a few years ago, it was last year, he has only just passed his first anniversary
Or even better a Church is planted for him by The Americans and or Gafcon , and Prayers as well.
@@Jasna-zd2zl what a testimony, let us just keep on mentioning father Brett's name and his family in our prayers, and remember; Jesus said you will suffer persecution for my name sake and that is what father Brett and his family are facing; and Jesus said it is expedient for me to go so that the Father can send the Holy Spirit in my name; father Brett remember that the helper the Holy Spirit is in us and with us so never be discouraged what ever the situation, and everyone stay blessed in Jesus name the name above every other name whereby we must be saved ✝️✡️🕎🙏♥️
@@COASTER-o2h whats the meaning of Gafcon 🙏
Kev & George - good episode. Good discussion and so glad you mentioned the disgraceful treatment of Rev'd Brett Murphy.
So glad you've highlighted Father Brett's plight and the absolute injustice of it!! I live in Northern Ireland but i regularly watched his services on the RUclips stream & his weekly blogs! His 'State of the Nation' video was spot on & if that is what led to his dismissal, then the church (ie Bishop Fenwick) has serious issues with the truth!!!
@@gillyj64 it would be interesting to know if anyone from Two Tier Keir's office called the bishop. This feels to sudden a firing.
I just came from Joel Richardson’s channel where he held a zoom with Christian converts spreading the good news in Iran, Lebanon, Iraq, Saudi Arabia….so dangerous is their work that they need to blur their faces and distort their voices. But those voices were so full of love, joy and gratitude for Him. Incredibly inspiring.
Towards the end they each sent a message on how we could help. You know what they all said?
“West, sort it out, come back to the church, and the church must come back to the true teachings, you are on a dangerous & foolish path”
Think about that, a message to the west from the Middle East to return to the Lord. In their lands they saw great hope, less so in ours.
How very lost we are indeed. “Destroyed by lack of knowledge” and ultimately of leadership. There will be a warm welcome home for many of those church ‘leaders’ come that day, just not the kind of warmth they were hoping for. 💔
Fascinating.
@@GraemetheGuiriLordHaHa the growth rate of the church in Iran is greater than anywhere else. Afghanistan is second highest. It’s incredible at the same time as it’s understandable. And Muslims have such passionate faith it’s especially beautiful when they give it over to the one true God. Their bravery should shame and inspire us. Maranatha 🙏
I jave been to Bretts church 4 times. More treaditional than I'm used to, but an alive and growing community, with great teaching from scripture. My teenagers loved the authenticity and reality of it. I am very involved in my local parish chirch so not free to go that often. But my twonolder kids at 15 amd 18 have made thwlr own way there catching 2 busses and a train takimg over 2 hours each way (amd actually paying for their own tickets !).
It lacks credulity that any sane bishop would seek to kill a chirch alive and growing.
I pray tjat if he does not repent that God brings him home early.
Bless you bro
Wow. That is a wonderful story about your children. Inspirational.
How wonderful that your children are blessed by Father Brett's ministry. He is indeed a godly man. I pray that God will open other doors for Brett's faithful ministry and provide the security of a home for his family.
New subscriber here. Thank you for telling us more about the situation with Rev Brett Murphy. I have been following him daily for several months now and am appalled at what has happened to him. (from Coventry, England).
First time I have watched your programme. I appreciate George Conger’s measured analysis here on the Brett case in particular.
A very strong episode. Thank you!
Your comment, George, about there being a two-tier system in England - those who are favoured and those who are not - is just about the most succinct and accurate summary of the situation that I have encountered.
Thanks for bringing Brett Murphy's case to a wider audience. I really feel for him and the heartless way he has been treated.
Surely there needs to be a system put in place where bishops who have lost the plot can be called to account.
Or ditch the concept of bishop altogether - it is dubiously biblical!
NO NO Bishops are essential absulutely..WE are charged with delete of the crazy ones
Wonderful counsel from two older men to a younger brother. So good to see the caring for one another that should be characteristic of the church. May God continue to fill will you with His wisdom.
Amen 🙏 you have said it beautifully ❤
At 50:43 I recently retired from many years as a small department manager in Orange County, California. We have a young staff- mostly in their 20's and 30's- and over the years it's consistently surprised me that probably 90% have been regular church-goers. Most are Catholic, while the others attend everything from nondenominational churches, Calvary Chapel, Seventh-Day Adventist, Presbyterian, Episcopal, Eastern Orthodox, Worldwide Church of God, you name it. The Catholic church I attend has seven services every Sunday (in English, Vietnamese, Spanish, Tagalog) and each service is a full house. When I hear people talk of the decline of Christianity it's difficult for me to grasp, because what I see here with my own eyes is the opposite.
This should make you chuckle... "His leadership has not only preserved the church's historical identity but has also equipped it to face the challenges of the modern world. Fenwick's commitment to orthodox Anglicanism and his dynamic approach to ministry continue to inspire clergy and laypeople alike." Has just been deleted from John Fenwick's Wikipedia page as "spurious"
Study /office spot on. It reveals a lot about the type of clergy we have.
Thank you George for your comments concerning Fr Brett's situation. So well said.
Kevin you perfectly summed up the two tier situation in England. I can personally attest to that manner of abusive treatment by senior church leaders.
Soooh pleased you shared the Brett Murphy story, This is a disgrace and this guy needs our prayers more than anything,, Love the new mug Kevin Keep talkin' and Gpd bless you both
Good discussion, guys. Thanks for keeping on!
George is so right…ministers of the Word need studies, not offices.
I'm in England and part of the few CofE churches that stick to orthodox Anglicanism and the gospel. This is putting a massive burden on our vicar and I myself have had with dismay to reconsider my disserment process due to the apostasy of the CofE at large. With the FCE also out of the map. What hope is there for new Anglican ordinands today in the world? Are we really dying after all? I've to admit, I'm a bit depressed about this.
Interesting mention of priest’s office vs. study: a distinction by the change of words is also seen in the Roman church when young priests say, "I work at [parish]." Those before Vatican II always said, “I serve in [parish.]" Big difference. Great discussion as always.
Thank you. Always a delight to be in the presence of those who love the Lord Jesus Christ and His Gospel and and are here to share it with those willing to listen.
Love these two men - always enjoy listening to them speaking the truth 😊
The way to deal with clergy discipline issues fairly would be to give clergy employment status and access to the ACAS procedures in England. This would mean external independent adjudication not directed by a bent Bishop - of which the C of E has far too many. They won't want to do that though because they hate fairness, light and justice.
In my case the FCE canons were ignored and ACAS procedures were not properly used.
@@RevBrettMurphy Do they class you as an "office holder" as in the C of E or did you have some form of contract of employment?
Bent in more ways than one I imagine.
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God bless you, thank you
I hope Bp Sutton is taking note of what his sister church is getting up to. Although he has not authority as such over Fenwick, he nevertheless has _influence_
I pray he use that influence to the best of his power to hold Fenwick to account
At 2:18 I'm not sure how it happened but my daughter, who just turned 30, is very conservative politically.
I was wondering if you two would cover this. Thank you for covering this in your professional forensic style. Why do these control freaks get into positions of responsibility among the people of God.
The enemy sows tares among the wheat and they are everywhere.
The same thing is going on right now in the Episcopal Diocese of Dallas, Texas. We would appreciate forensic investigation into Bishop Sumner, specifically in the case of Fr. Ed Monk and his family.
The devil is sneaky, slithering into high positions to destroy those who teach God's ways on earth.
'One out of the box' episode. Thanks for continuing the exposure of the insidious takeover of church and state. Phil from NZ
The heart of this problem is the control of property. One solution is to establish independent self-supporting congregations united by their common beliefs and patterns of worship. The next problem is the necessity to raise sufficient regular and stable giving to support a minister. This is a daunting prospect for small congregations. It is resolved in one way by Christian Brethren congregations who have no minister but the men in the congregation prepare and give sermons or reflections when the people gather for worship on Sundays.
Kevin, If you are still in Southern Maryland on Sunday, consider worshipping at Christ Church Accokeek, an ACNA parish founded in 1698. It is a wonderful place with a strong faith and witness, and the building dates to the 1730's or 1740's.
I remember the Stormtrooping Suffragan! Good for you folks for staying strong.
Sad to hear that about Candace Owens. I hope that someone she listens to will get through to her.
Imho, Fenwick has been overcome by Satan.
“Unfortunately the CoE has bad clergy and bad bishop” - very true!
We should be on same team preaching the gospel
Thank you!
Just to add a little levity, could it be the length of his mustache?
On the names of churches, spires on them, etc. Well we're here in merry old England and have a chapel, praise the Lord. Many times people didn't realise it was a church because it didn't have a steeple, so we put a nice big banner on the railings facing the street, with 'Lowdham Christian Chapel' emblazoned on it in big letters and now they know and that confusion has gone. We tend to assume the culture still understand what we do, but many other people really don't know anymore, in this case that a chapel is a church building, albeit a small church!
Teenage boys in the midwest are now sporting those haircuts. I saw a group of five of them all together in a supermarket in northern Michigan about two weeks ago. :-D
I live in the next town to morcambe, Blackpool and I’ve just heard about this. There is a 6th century Anglo Saxon church right next to morcambe with a Viking tombstone.
Thing is the dropping of the word church for say 'Mission Community' is just an outward sign of the church more broadly conforming to the world. On its own it might not be so bad but taken with everything else it is worrying.
How about planting a Church for Father Brett ? go on ANCA , you could do it if you wanted to. After all is said and done , there is a lot more said than done.
We should but God first and last
Mr. Kallsen, your high school was in a town/small city in the midwest. Mine was in a navy town in the Pacific Northwest. Most of my friends didn't attend church or were barely observant Roman Catholics. This was the early 1980s.
Calvin Robinson was only Deacon for the FEC. He is also very Catholic, he prays to Mary using the Rosary n also visits Apparition sites n relics. They never shafted him out.
Well, not yet. . .
@royquick-s5n Possibly because it was the only Anglican alternative? Although I thought that TAC had an outpost there? The "Traditional Anglican Communion."
I never knew Calvin Robinson prays to Mary
@danmillar9582 the "sub tuum praesidium" dates to A.D. 250. In English it reads, "We fly to thy protection, O holy Mother of God; despise not our petitions in our necessities, but deliver us always from all dangers, O glorious and blessed Virgin. Amen.'
Not surprising, though sad, to hear of more and more heroes of the faith falling away (Luke 18:8 '...when the Son of Man comes, will he find faith on the earth?'). Praise God for men like Brett Murphy who are continuing to proclaim the name of Jesus and His Gospel message.
The Fellowship By the River sounds like it's for Hobbits.
A well presented and interesting presentation I appreciate it all all the subjects discussed, thanks ✝️✡️🕎❤️🙏👍
Once upon a time there was a bishop who liked to sack ministers and close down growing and thriving churches. When his diocese finally ceased to exist he joined up with other bishops who had done the same and they all lived unhappily ever after.
A friend of mine who does guided tours of Canterbury cathedral told me that the cathedrals have to be self financing, they are not subsidised from the C of E 's vast investment wealth.
They are massively expensive to maintain hence the use of the building for dubious entertainment purposes.
They are currently having to redo botched repairs to the stonework done in the Victorian era.
Puts a slightly different perspective on it even if you don't think it is right.
Lichfield cathedral is now a rock concert venue with Queen tribute acts etc… definitely not very religious music
An 80s night? A 50s night? The trouble is that if I were invited to "come dressed for a 40s night" I would wear the same type of clothes I wore in the 2020s, the 80s...
Church names.
I saw one in Nigeria called ' HQ Holy Ghost '
Changing the word “church” to “worshipping communities” is NOT a “non-story” Kevin!!! At least, not in Britain. It is paving the way for a faster multi-faith state church, which is what King Charles would like to head up, as he wants to be the defender of all faiths, not of The Faith. Indeed, this is already happening in at least some dioceses (such as Truro) and it includes pagan worship as well as the other main religions.
Of course has become fashionable in certain evangelical and Hebrew Roots circles to eradicate the word “church” and substitute the word “congregation”. This is because the word “church” gives some Jewish believers in Jesus the heebie-jeebies due to Christian Persecution, although how you deal with that by changing the name I’m not sure. The word “Ecclesia” actually means: “Called out from among” [the present world order] and this has far more meaning than merely “congregation”.
Fenwick comes across as being a type of Diotrophes. A bully who thinks he has carte blanche rule over his patch. Yes he needs prayer but unless he is humbled first I can't see repentance happening in him.
Im in a Scottish episcopal church. Its dying. I see growth in the low church evangelicals, but they think more like non-denominational churches. Im now in RCIA cos im done.
Look for a TLM community. Some RCIA courses are not to be trusted.
let me guess ... time for me to retire, I need to strip-mine the diocese & like my pockets before I leave ... Gen.50:20 - God will still get the glory out of this!!
Never Allow THE CHURCH OF OUR LORD JESUS to DEVOLVE into a corporation!! Run from any corporation, including Roman Corporation
The Law, like the Ritz Hotel, is open to everyone.
Thank you so much for covering the court case ending in the shameful acquittal and subsequent lack of action against both the source of teaching that it is ok for a muslim to rape a 13 year old and the claim that it was inevitably her fault. It is a deep-rooted, enduring problem in the UK. The fear of standing up to clear muslim breaking of rules and law is widespread. While I was a hospital chaplain and head of two departments about 15 yeas ago, I was called by the intensive care unit at one of the Trust hospitals, since it was the security officer's day off. Apparently the small unit which housed about 6 beds had been invaded by around 90 muslims who had gathered to do their rites for a fellow believer who had died. When I arrived the unit was packed solid and the door was being policed by a handful of burly men who had been instructed by their leaders to let in any and all of 'the faithful', when the rule of the unit was maximum of two closest per bed, and only with permission. Members of staff couldn't get to any of the other beds of other patients to give ongoing treatment to all who needed 24 hour care. It was an impossible scenario. I tried politely requesting, negotiating, reasoning, and finally shouting to clear the room, but the ritual continued until completion and then each person went in turn to the bedside to pay their own respects. It was a weekend and no-one was available above me in the Trust to sanction a call to the police, and the incident illustrated the fear of authorities to stand up to muslims for fear of gaining the anti-label. The conundrum of equal rights and freedom of speech is, I suspect, something that most governments have not resolved in a variety of issues including race, gender, creed, and colour of skin. This was not the only problem caused for the chaplaincy team, particularly because the Trust would/could only give one room for all faiths and none, for services and meditation. That was another ongoing 'egg-shell' situation, for which my instruction was "to do the best I could".
@@royquick-s5n Thanks for this, I will investigate with my local MP. I have already sent him a copy of this letter, asking that these gross anomalies be put right, especially as he is currently standing for leader of the Conservative Party
The FCE never uses the term 'priest' for its ministers. Neither does it use the title 'Father' for its clergy. I know things are being changed by the northern diocese interloper, but these things still stand, as far as I understand it.
Perhaps the Free Church of England should become Presbyterian!
Heresy had several children; the children of the Protestant Revolution are Secular Humanism, the Enlightenment, Masonry, and Marxism. They are all a watering-down of Catholic Faith, a prideful rebellion.
Churches For the Sake of Others isn't just a hippie-dippy name. It's bad theology. Churches exist for the sake of their Lord.
Just found a good bible believing church
I am a conservative RC and I follow Rev Murphy. In my opinion, he has been unnecessarily acerbic about some C of E clergy members. I am not defending those clergy members, but maybe Brett should have let them be. When a person has dependants, that person should think twice, and ask themself “ Am I truly called to say this publicly?”
you deserve your pope
Church of England is in the process of being renamed, "Community of England". It seems the word "Church" is offensive to who knows what society group.
Maybe the leaders are Jesuits.
There needs to be a new Church created.
Hello from VA.❤
KEVIN and GEORGE: Good Morning, from Somerset, in the West Country of England. I always listen to your invitation to "share this video", during your introduction, and feel guilty. Although I'm a Christian, neither my Civil Partner, nor any of our friends, would be interested in anything which the Church has to say, on anything. Most are hostile to the Church: although they do tend to back-track whenever I turn to our Lord, Jesus of Nazareth, when - even the most 'Church-hostile' of frineds - find themselves admitting, "There's nothing bad in Jesus". Naturally, there are those who pick on the verses they have learned which tend to reveal him as "For Jews only!" or as a promulgator of "2nd-Temple conceptions of the Cosmos: but, on the whole, Jesus of Nazareth is the Church's 'trump-card' (ought I to say that to Americans?). Kevin: I'm pleased to learn your daughter is now in a Vermont Psychiatric Hospital!!! During my own nursing education (in General Nursing) I, too, was in a Psychiatric Hospital (the Lancaster Moor Hospital: a great. grim, Gothic edifice, visible from the M6 motorway.), because the nurses' accommodation there was cheap; and I could make a little money serving in the Staff Social Club bar.. It's always a great conversation starter to state, "When I was in a Psychiatric Hospital......". Many of our friends probably consider I should be in one now. With regard to Brett Murphy, George you immediately identify him as "someone who is faithful to the gospel": as though those of us who do not treat, or read, our scriptures as Brett does (as a 'scriptural literalist'), are "unfaithful to the gospel". And herein lies the problem. The 'scriptural literalists' have a tendency to claim that they 'own' the gospel: whilst paying no attention to the official Anglican 'Doctrine of Scripture'. You continue to advise Brett to "rejoice in the sufferings which are being heaped upon him", because God will make use of them, George: but what of the couple's two little boys, and their expected third child? It is all very well to accept suffering for onesself: but to expect children to share in it? From the story, as presented on RUclips, It would appear that the Primus - Bishop John Fenwick - has his own problems: there have been past petitions for him to resign, before the 'Brett Murphy affair'.
Shouldn’t the question be where is god leading, not what is the best opportunity?
It’s hard from all of this to understand the issues because no one mentions why the church felt he had to be disciplined. A more neutral description with substance is in a press release 17:12:2023 in Christian Concern
Why the destructive Headline in this article.
Nothing whatsoever to do with the disgraceful behaviour of the so called ' bishop ' ............
How many people here are still in the “worship Community of England” formerly the “Church” of England?
True hugep political fight with my youngest yesterday! It will probably never go back to the way it was before.
Yep. Just about. Have to be where God puts us and be obedient to him.
Since it's not illegal to be a Catholic in England anymore there doesn't seem to be any reason for the CoE to exist.
For better or for worse, the CoE exists for the monarchy:
1. King Charles III during his Coronation Oath on May 6, 2023 replied "All this I will do" when asked by the Archbishop of Canterbury, "And will you preserve unto the Bishops and Clergy of England, and to the Churches there committed to their charge, all such rights and privileges as by law do or shall appertain to them or any of them?"
[Country Life Co UK /coronation/the-full-text-of-the-coronation-oaths-of-king-charles-iii-255228]
2. Moments later the new king stated: "I Charles do solemnly and sincerely in the presence of God profess, testify, and declare that I am a faithful PROTESTANT, and that I will, according to the true intent of the enactments which secure the PROTESTANT succession to the Throne, uphold and maintain the said enactments to the best of my powers according to law."
[Ibid]
3. Earlier Charles III answered "All this I promise to do" when asked by the archbishop "Will you to the utmost of your power maintain in the United Kingdom the PROTESTANT Reformed Religion established by law?"
[Ibid]
Heresy had several children; the children of the Protestant Revolution are Secular Humanism, the Enlightenment, Masonry, and Marxism. They are all a watering-down of Catholic Faith, a prideful rebellion.
@@royquick-s5n Isn't Vatican 2 the thing that most catholics think ruined the church?
I don't think any words of man make HTB rock and roll church anything to do with Catholicism
@@royquick-s5n It's over now. I'm in an Anglo-Catholic CoE church and have to hear the government line repeated back, and everyone is horrified if you're anti-abortion or think the Bible is true.
You’re a rare person who listened to the rite. The thing he mentioned, the Anglican Settlement, is worth looking into. Vague. Vague. It’s whatever the reader wants it to be. One schism leads to another and another and another. Truth is diluted each time to a homeopathic level. Eventually the solvent has no active ingredient. Only the “memory” of it.
Recommend checking out Gavin Ortlund's video on Basham's book. Being left of a bob jones fundamentalist doesn't make you a leftist. It also seems her other critiques aren't standing up to journalistic muster. If she is as conservative as she presents herself, she should probably leave the public teaching to men.
Yeah the Ortunds response was a non sequitur to what she actually wrote. x.com/JGWestDI/status/1818846519644373080
@@ATVMinistries That may be John West's position on Gavin's video and that chapter. However, I think John West of the discovery institute is going to see it that way because he is who he is. He is going to be less concerned with misrepresentations of individuals discussed in her book, and more concerned with getting people to agree with his position on climate science. He is going to support her on the subject if her position supports his.
What are the sources specifically for the story from 34.25? It may be that you guys have certain advantages in calling attention to this story from the safe distance of USA! Little seen about this actual story in uk unless it is “fake news”.
How has the Gospel Coalition bought the koolaid? This is an honest question. I've always trusted them.
Yes, Megan talks extensively about the Gospel Coalition and SBC. a.co/d/fHF1fHv
Don’t! They are as work as they come!
'Leave the UK and come back by boat' cheap shot.
@archdeaconwebb: Somebody from Mordor has funds to spare for the prince of this world's agit-prop.
Read the book before you comment on it.
Islam is the fastest growing religion in Canada
I’ve read the Christian concern article. It seems that the issue was less his challenge of transgender theology and more the way he did it which they felt was very unloving and not in the spirit of Christ
Albigensian heresy - 4th century? 😮😉
The Talmud does say those things. These false prophets are the ones lying. Anyone can look the passages up and see these two for what they are.
What you say is absolutely true. But if these two men don't believe long standing evidence they should watch present day videos where rabbits talk about these matters quite openly.
Proverbs ch 1
I am really shocked and sad you supported Megan's book. She blatantly lies within it about Gavin Ortlund. She needs to repent for what she did to attack him.
You will need to be more specific.
Thank you for supporting Megan Balham’s critic of Gavin Ortland’ comments and perspective on climate change. I have listened to Gavin’s defence to her critique on Patreon and wrote down notes. I also read Megan’s book and compared her critique with his own defense and from my take, Megan was truthful.
I have followed Gavin Ortland and had supported his ministry “Truth Unites” for 3 years. I appreciate his perspectives on theology proper, apologetics and his evangelical approach to ecumenism in the different sections of the Universal Church but I have been very disturbed on his approach to certain social issues. He is a young theologian but has his flaws as well. I have communicated with Gavin personally to my own criticism of his immature response to Megan. He has graciously acknowledged my perspective and I no longer support his ministry.
@@ATVMinistries Ortlund made a video about it and breaks it down. You can easily find critiques of her critiques by using google.
@@cdy1952 Thank you for taking time to investigate beyond the sound bytes :)
@@cdy1952 You simply illustrate the problem with Sola Scriptura. There is no divinely-guaranteed living teaching authority to decide what is doctrinal truth and what is not doctrinal truth. Each practitioner claims the "right interpretation" with the resultant doctrinal confusion and perpetual division.
Dreadful pop music - For goodness sake, play some pleasant organ music for your introduction
Or some elevating choral or piano music!
I agree.🙏
Nah, I like the music!
Socialism and communism isn't the same. There are some amazing Christian Socialists in history. Christian Socialism is closer to Jesus Ministry in many respects. A responsible capitalism also has merits. But the appeal of socialism is that ownership of the means of production is now in the hands of the few not the many. Home ownership is a challenge and I am so fortunate. But we need a better system. Socialism isn't the opposite of Christianity or orthodoxy. Some types of socialism are. But the puritans weren't.
Can someone please explain what Brett Murphys beliefs are regarding the rcc, does he believes Roman Catholics that adhere to the rcc doctrine are saved ?
Not sure what that has to do with the price of tea in China. But the only way to salvation is being justification by grace through faith.
@@RevBrettMurphy not sure what the price of tea is in china brett but I’ve asked this question of you multiple times and you have never answered thank you for finally doing so 🙏✝️ you have a huge Catholic following especially a lot of ex Anglicans who now believe the rcc doctrine has got them right with Christ through Rome, if you are asking for support I want to know what you believe ) not having a dig just being a berean. Would be most unwise to support someone who supports welby or Rome 🙏✝️
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“Let me first say my concern is people’s salvation, that people are under sound teaching and hearing the gospel. You are changing the premise of my question this is about what the Bible says not any particular denomination so let’s get back to the point and ask does the Catholic Church fulfill the purposes of the church.
The first purpose of the church is to teach biblical (apostolic) doctrine. Salvation by grace through faith is the most crucial issue, and the Catholic Church has turned “grace” into something to be earned, destroying the foundation of the gospel ( Galatians 1:6-9). In comparing Roman Catholicism with the Word of God, there are many other differences and contradictions as well. The Roman Catholic Church teaches many doctrines that are in disagreement with what the Bible declares. These include apostolic succession, worship of saints or Mary, prayer to saints or Mary, the pope/papacy, transubstantiation, plenary indulgences, the sacramental system, and purgatory. While Catholics claim scriptural support for these concepts, none of these teachings have any solid foundation in Scripture. These concepts are based on Catholic tradition, not the Word of God. In fact, they all clearly contradict biblical principles. Growing in Christian faith would be difficult while consistently being taught theology that is not supported with God’s Word.
Second, the church is to be a place of fellowship where Christians can be devoted to one another and honor one another (Romans 12:10), instruct one another (Romans 15:14), be kind and compassionate to one another (Ephesians 4:32), encourage one another (1 Thessalonians 5:11), and, most importantly, love one another (1 John 3:11). This may be possible in the Catholic Church if there are other born-again believers worshiping and fellowshipping there, they may well be there but not because of the teachings of the RCC.
Third, the church is a place to observe the Lord’s Supper. According to the requirements for eligibility for Catholic Mass, a non-Catholic would be unable to participate in Catholic Mass. Biblically, the purpose of communion is to remember the death of Jesus Christ and the new covenant and to “proclaim” His sacrifice by means of illustration (Matthew 26:28; Luke 22:19; 1 Corinthians 11:26). In a Catholic Church, the purpose of the Eucharist is something else entirely. When a person receives communion in a Catholic Church, the priest says, “The Body of Christ,” and the communicant responds, “Amen,” in agreement. This signifies a belief in transubstantiation. The majority of Protestants strongly disagree with the Catholic understanding of the Lord’s Supper, and it would be dishonest to say, “Amen.”
The final purpose of the church given in Acts 2:42 is prayer. Catholics view Mary and the saints as “intercessors” before God. They believe that a saint, who is glorified in heaven, has more “direct access” to God than we do. Therefore, if a saint delivers a prayer to God, it is more effective than if we simply prayed to God directly. This concept is blatantly unbiblical. Hebrews 4:16 tells us that believers here on earth can “approach the throne of grace with confidence.” All believers are saints and priests (Romans 1:7; 1 Peter 2:5), and Jesus is our High Priest (Hebrews 4:14). There is no other mediator (1 Timothy 2:5).
The thirty nine articles clearly articulate the difference in belief. Anglicans Online | The Thirty-Nine Articles.
This is vastly contrary to the official teaching of Roman Catholicism which is that salvation is not by faith alone, through grace alone, in Christ alone. The Roman Catholic Church teaches that one must have good works and observe the rituals of Roman Catholicism in order to be saved.
@@royquick-s5n Let me first say my concern is people’s salvation, that people are under sound teaching and hearing the gospel. You are changing the premise of my question this is about what the Bible says not any particular denomination so let’s get back to the point and ask does the Catholic Church fulfill the purposes of the church.
The first purpose of the church is to teach biblical (apostolic) doctrine. Salvation by grace through faith is the most crucial issue, and the Catholic Church has turned “grace” into something to be earned, destroying the foundation of the gospel ( Galatians 1:6-9). In comparing Roman Catholicism with the Word of God, there are many other differences and contradictions as well. The Roman Catholic Church teaches many doctrines that are in disagreement with what the Bible declares. These include apostolic succession, worship of saints or Mary, prayer to saints or Mary, the pope/papacy, transubstantiation, plenary indulgences, the sacramental system, and purgatory. While Catholics claim scriptural support for these concepts, none of these teachings have any solid foundation in Scripture. These concepts are based on Catholic tradition, not the Word of God. In fact, they all clearly contradict biblical principles. Growing in Christian faith would be difficult while consistently being taught theology that is not supported with God’s Word.
Second, the church is to be a place of fellowship where Christians can be devoted to one another and honor one another (Romans 12:10), instruct one another (Romans 15:14), be kind and compassionate to one another (Ephesians 4:32), encourage one another (1 Thessalonians 5:11), and, most importantly, love one another (1 John 3:11). This may be possible in the Catholic Church if there are other born-again believers worshiping and fellowshipping there, they may well be there but not because of the teachings of the RCC.
Third, the church is a place to observe the Lord’s Supper. According to the requirements for eligibility for Catholic Mass, a non-Catholic would be unable to participate in Catholic Mass. Biblically, the purpose of communion is to remember the death of Jesus Christ and the new covenant and to “proclaim” His sacrifice by means of illustration (Matthew 26:28; Luke 22:19; 1 Corinthians 11:26). In a Catholic Church, the purpose of the Eucharist is something else entirely. When a person receives communion in a Catholic Church, the priest says, “The Body of Christ,” and the communicant responds, “Amen,” in agreement. This signifies a belief in transubstantiation. The majority of Protestants strongly disagree with the Catholic understanding of the Lord’s Supper, and it would be dishonest to say, “Amen.”
The final purpose of the church given in Acts 2:42 is prayer. Catholics view Mary and the saints as “intercessors” before God. They believe that a saint, who is glorified in heaven, has more “direct access” to God than we do. Therefore, if a saint delivers a prayer to God, it is more effective than if we simply prayed to God directly. This concept is blatantly unbiblical. Hebrews 4:16 tells us that believers here on earth can “approach the throne of grace with confidence.” All believers are saints and priests (Romans 1:7; 1 Peter 2:5), and Jesus is our High Priest (Hebrews 4:14). There is no other mediator (1 Timothy 2:5).
The thirty nine articles clearly articulate the difference in belief. Anglicans Online | The Thirty-Nine Articles.
This is vastly contrary to the official teaching of Roman Catholicism which is that salvation is not by faith alone, through grace alone, in Christ alone. The Roman Catholic Church teaches that one must have good works and observe the rituals of Roman Catholicism in order to be saved.
Let me first say my concern is people’s salvation, that people are under sound teaching and hearing the gospel. You are changing the premise of my question this is about what the Bible says not any particular denomination so let’s get back to the point and ask does the Catholic Church fulfill the purposes of the church.
The first purpose of the church is to teach biblical (apostolic) doctrine. Salvation by grace through faith is the most crucial issue, and the Catholic Church has turned “grace” into something to be earned, destroying the foundation of the gospel ( Galatians 1:6-9). In comparing Roman Catholicism with the Word of God, there are many other differences and contradictions as well. The Roman Catholic Church teaches many doctrines that are in disagreement with what the Bible declares. These include apostolic succession, worship of saints or Mary, prayer to saints or Mary, the pope/papacy, transubstantiation, plenary indulgences, the sacramental system, and purgatory. While Catholics claim scriptural support for these concepts, none of these teachings have any solid foundation in Scripture. These concepts are based on Catholic tradition, not the Word of God. In fact, they all clearly contradict biblical principles. Growing in Christian faith would be difficult while consistently being taught theology that is not supported with God’s Word.
Second, the church is to be a place of fellowship where Christians can be devoted to one another and honor one another (Romans 12:10), instruct one another (Romans 15:14), be kind and compassionate to one another (Ephesians 4:32), encourage one another (1 Thessalonians 5:11), and, most importantly, love one another (1 John 3:11). This may be possible in the Catholic Church if there are other born-again believers worshiping and fellowshipping there, they may well be there but not because of the teachings of the RCC.
Third, the church is a place to observe the Lord’s Supper. According to the requirements for eligibility for Catholic Mass, a non-Catholic would be unable to participate in Catholic Mass. Biblically, the purpose of communion is to remember the death of Jesus Christ and the new covenant and to “proclaim” His sacrifice by means of illustration (Matthew 26:28; Luke 22:19; 1 Corinthians 11:26). In a Catholic Church, the purpose of the Eucharist is something else entirely. When a person receives communion in a Catholic Church, the priest says, “The Body of Christ,” and the communicant responds, “Amen,” in agreement. This signifies a belief in transubstantiation. The majority of Protestants strongly disagree with the Catholic understanding of the Lord’s Supper, and it would be dishonest to say, “Amen.”
The final purpose of the church given in Acts 2:42 is prayer. Catholics view Mary and the saints as “intercessors” before God. They believe that a saint, who is glorified in heaven, has more “direct access” to God than we do. Therefore, if a saint delivers a prayer to God, it is more effective than if we simply prayed to God directly. This concept is blatantly unbiblical. Hebrews 4:16 tells us that believers here on earth can “approach the throne of grace with confidence.” All believers are saints and priests (Romans 1:7; 1 Peter 2:5), and Jesus is our High Priest (Hebrews 4:14). There is no other mediator (1 Timothy 2:5).
The thirty nine articles clearly articulate the difference in belief. Anglicans Online | The Thirty-Nine Articles.
This is vastly contrary to the official teaching of Roman Catholicism which is that salvation is not by faith alone, through grace alone, in Christ alone. The Roman Catholic Church teaches that one must have good works and observe the rituals of Roman Catholicism in order to be saved.
@@robmarshall956 You exemplify sectarian individualism. You are the ultimate authority. You are the ultimate interpreter. You contradict yourself. You say RCs back some of their doctrines with scripture, then you say they are unscriptural. You strike one valid point, i.e. intercession of saints, Yes, Jesus is our sole Mediator and Advocate and Savior, but, confusionally, RCs will admit that. You err on the 39 Articles, which to quote bishop and church historian J. R. H. Moorman, "are not meant to be a formulary of the Christian faith," and apply to "doctrinal disputes which were convulsing Europe at the time." I suggest that you contemplate the Vincentian Canon (434 AD): "Now in the Catholic Church itself we take the greatest care to hold that which has been believed everywhere, always, and by all," not that RCs do not need to scrutinize themselves with it also. As bishop and church historian Frank E. Wilson summarized, " . . . the only sensible way to interpret the Bible is by reference to the Church which made it. . . . First Christ--then the Church--then the Bible."🤔
Socialism has nothing to do with communism
Please enlighten us as to how that is the case?
The body count for each is astronomical.
You kidding?
Commonly misaligned seemingly especially in the USA. Socialism is all about attempting to harness the benefits of capitalism and spread them around a bit more so as to enable more people to succeed and add into the overall pot. The aim is never fully realised and is idealistic for sure, but ends up with things like the NHS a welfare safety net and pensions for the elderly, subsidised education and all that. Yes it means higher taxation andeaa freedom for the individual to determine where their money goes, but most who live in more socialist environments see the benefits and like it.
Of course these things can be abused , and often are, but over all it means less poverty less inequality, and more opportunity.
Communism is about total state control. Communism is also ultimately anti-christian, were as most early socialists were Christians who wanted to help the poor.
It’s not that simple. Communism is an extreme extension of socialism and the two can merge into the other. The current so called Woke movement has elements of Marxist ideology.