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Sometimes it is a choice between disabling your opponent without too much bodily harm and crippling your opponent and going to jail because guess what? It is his word against yours and good luck proving that you have not exceeded the permissible limit of self-defense.
@@SvirepiyBambr-xw8rw yes I leave the laws don't defend the victim anymore that's why I've seen a lot of martial arts in self-defense places.. They'll train you to hold your hands up on front of you in a non combative stance/posture all the while this can potentially block a punch etc so if cameras are rolling they'll be seeing the other person as the aggressor.. Anyways.. it's good to have a form of self defense as the cops won't get there in time and don't care/are too lazy to do their jobs anyways. I know.. I've been threatened by random people in my neighborhood and the cops did absolutely nothing about it. So that's why I'm taking self defense classes.
It might work in the street against an untrained opponent, but in the cage is very likely to be ineffective due to lack of take down defense and submission game
Lack of takedown defense? I have been doing a variety of martial arts since age 9 and it's got one of the best, you obviously haven't taken it. The problem is 70% of the moves are unuseable in a ring(illegal)... but I made a legit brazilian jiu jitsu blackbelt fold on repeat w a few years of bagua and wing chun. I definatly had no blackbelt btw so action speaks louder then words...
doesnt matter, still its not banned. Deadly strikes are seen in many Different martial arts 💁♂️and the rules are for a good reason they protects every fighter fighter no matter wich martial arts he is performing
@@theorel265 Okay. Which Martial Art was created for sport? BJJ? Muy Thai? Savate? You see, WT is not alone. It is also not banned. There are just areas of the body you are not allowed to strike/grab. This affects all the 'styles'. Not just WT. Also WT is not seen in MMA because it is not effective. Go watch some Xu Xiaodong videos. He destroys Wing Chun, Wushu and other martial arts 'Masters'. This is not opinion. There are plenty of videos proving this. But not one video of these Kung Fu style arts working in the ring.
@@samrester6254 You think you have the truth. So let me tell you some tips. BJJ is jujitsu basically. If we take Judo for example, it was created for sport. Ask Jigoro kano and you'll see. Wing Chun also has competition in chi Sao (sport purpose) The reason you can't use wing chun in sport is because its techniques target vital points. If you don't do that, you are not doing WC. You don't know anything about this art. You saw a wing chun novice get beaten by a boxer and you think the grandmasters would be beaten in the same way. So If I go to a BJJ club and I beat a black belt, do you think BJJ is crap? I won't say that. The masters don't fight for good reasons. They have nothing to prove. They don't practice for sport, but for self defense or for the art itself. Some are Buddhists and do not want to do harm. It's also a philosophy taoist... But you are right, wing chun cannot work in the ring because it's not its area of application. But in the street, it work. I proved it many times against one guy and against four once. It saved my life several times. If I step into a ring, I'll do it to finish the fight right away or fail immediately. And to do that, I'll have to use all my techniques. I can't use the basics to do sports or I'll loose. It is peculiarity of wing chun, and other Kung fu styles. Of course, we can practice some sparring but in this case, we will only use 30% of the skills. Stop watching RUclips videos and go to a wing chun class to see by yourself. Go in China and ask a fight with a true shaolin monk and you'll see.
yes, that is why there are so many MMA wing chun champions. Wasn't a few guys that went around China and challenged these masters? claming eye gauging or troat attack as part of a martial art and then compare it with a sport it is wild. MMA and other fighters can also throat attack. In a no rule match camp to champ there is no martial art master that can withstand an MMA champion.
This is not true. Hit someone in the throat actually occur in MMA fights by accident, and it doesn't result in DQ. The true is that hit the throat is very hard, and commonly don't result in serious damage
@@lucasfelipe-ze5sy It is true. You arent allowed to in the mma. They also have gloves.. And its still a very dangerous spot to go for in a REAL fight just as ears are.
I will not take the disrespect of literally any martial art, especially not from some random guy who uses the fucking :cry_laughing: emoji legitimately. have you even seen actual Wing Chun?? like the proper China version?
it is banned in mma idiot, look at the rule book and you will see most of the most effective techniques banned. This asshole is just making a joke out of himself lol.
Ok so combining my knowledge of past ufc fights, martial arts movies, martial arts practices ill say this: in ufc, those people get wrecked due to rules. I've seen navy seals, wing chun, and krav maga experts get destroyed quickly, but what do all of these disciplines have in common? They're all meant to neutralize a threat quickly using whatever means possible. Doesn't make them ineffective by any means.
Nope sure don't but they're convinced that these super secret techiques will work. There's a reason we don't see traditional Chinese martial arts in videos successfully defending themselves on the street we have tons in other martial arts.
Yah but meet someone on a street with Wing-Chun, you’ve lost before you know what’s happened. Now if your alive after your very lucky or another way of putting it is the Wing-Chun artist did something wrong. X
Wing Chung used properly allows the practitioner to predict what their opponent is going to do based on a sensitivity to body mechanics. What is so difficult about Wing Chun is allowing your training to take over instead of your fear, ego or desire for strategy. To employ Wing Chun successfully you have to be highly trained in technique, impervious to ego and fearless. There is a Japanese concept called “Mushin” which very helpful in employing Wing Chun…I’m a grappler and practitioner of BJJ. I’ve also done Wing Chun. The potential of Wing Chun for those that can master their emotions is an art that would be dominant in the ring. There are a multitude of Wing Chun techniques used in MMA and UFC
Wing Chun is a bottom tier martial art. Every fighting style has ways of predicting others, it's not special and it's not effective comparitively. Want proof? Watch any of the older MMA tournaments that allowed a little more violence and see how quick other martial artists removed opponents' teeth. Wing Chun can only be considered good if you are already much stronger and faster than an opponent so it's a bad technique. Also allowing the use of any technique doesn't make it better because if you allowed a different martial artist the same freedom they'd destroy a Wing Chun user. AGAIN proven by people challenging Wing Chun "masters". Sorry, it's just dated.
@@christophersadri6464 how long have you studied Wing Chun? Oh you haven’t. Not only do you not have any Wing Chin experience you have no experience in reading comprehension.
Liota Machida bro. Wonder Boy Thompson. Two of the greatest strikers all time. But neither used lame ass Wang chung. This is a joke fighting style. All for movies. Any Lumpinee stadium Muay Thai fighter could destroy the greatest Wang chung fighters in the world back to back to back.
Even Anderson silva was trained in this fighting style. He's also Muai Thai and kickboxing. Plenty of fighters in mma train many different styles. Cause mma is not a style in itself. They use many different styles.
MMA Needs to expand and have specialized types of matches for fighters where the audience right before the fight is given a list of Styles that the fighters have stated they know and then the fighters can only use the style the audience votes on for the entire fight. Also effort would be put into making sure the people that set up MMA fights purposely make sure they seek out fighters that know Drunken Kung Fu and Monkey Kung Fu etc etc... this way things get really spiced up. MMA would still have all the stuff it currently has, this would just be some fun isolated sub set of types of fights they host.
The simple fact no Wing Chun masters are MMA champions instantly proves this is b.s. Every martial art has lethal techniques. Muay Thai fighters could easily choose to kill someone. BJJ fighters obviously could just not let off the submission and snap bones or choke someone to death without breaking a sweat. Yet they chose not to do that and still compete against each other. Wing Chun practitioners are not banned from anything. They choose not to compete. Traditional self defense arts are great, and I recommend everyone I know and love to train in them. Wing Chun and Krav Maga are 2 of my favorites. But they are focused on facing untrained attackers. MMA specifically focuses on facing other extremely high level fighters. A well trained MMA fighter will completely shut down a Wing Chun master. It will be like a toddler trying to fighter their father.
if all a boxer did was shadow box and never did any sparring or learned how to apply their techniques they would do just as poorly as these so called masters...it's not the art it's the artist's experience.
In real fights martial arts like karate, Taekwando, Kung Fu, Aikido, etc. have no chance against Judo, Muay Thai (Muay Boran), Kick Boxing and BJJ. Silat and Kali might be in between. They are, however, absolutely esthetic to watch but much less effective when it comes to a street fight. Many martial art specialists have confirmed that in the past.....
Look up Sanda, there's been quite a few of those guys do pretty well in mma, there's a difference between form and application that a lot of people overlook when it comes to fighting.
No real hand to hand combat that is designed for war should ever try to compete in a sport. Not without messing themselves up still doing hand to hand combat like Kali anyways I can say because that's 1 martial art I've done. The moves in kali and striking are all illegal in sports because there designed to live in a serious fight for one's life. By doing a sport your no longer doing kali. You are trying to use kali in a way holding yourself back from the real moves and technics that you learn through muscle memory. There is no defense in Kali. It attack and counter attack. It may or may not involve weapons. It is to strike when one is strong and when one is week from a blow grapple and break bones. Stick the opponent in the eye. Scratching it so that both eyes water and they can't see. It is a true means of tactics to destroy a opponent and never be in the way of the blade learning with weapons first. The movements are the same with open hands. But learning the proper technics through weapons is key. Not to be touched. That doesn't work in sports. Except maybe the Roman gladiators days. If you have these skills and try to go back to sports fighting. Witch we all must agree is to simulate what a real fight for survival is. Will set one back and jeopardize there abilities in real hand to hand combat. Witch could cause you to second guess or slowing down your thinking abilities bouncing back and fourth. Speed kills.
^ In real fight without weapon, every m.art subjects are mostly effect equal (dangerous technics) but each of trained persons makes the different levels!
Who here would have maybe been persuaded if they'd at least have shown one mma fight that had Wang Chung being used. It would have gone a long way for your narrative.
You lost me at 0:31 in the video, Jackie Jackie Chan isn't a martial artist; he's openly and humbly stated this many times. He's an amazingly talented stunt man who has used elements of martial arts in his movies, but he is not a fighter.
A big fisherman grabbed my throat in a pub toilet. I snatched my throat back out of his grip and regretted it for about 3 days afterwards. In the other hand, he must've been impressed because he totally folded after I accepted a challenge that he laid down minutes later. Once a bully is defeated in spirit, he is ready for total domination.
MMA suggest Mix Martial Arts. The more arts you know, the better mixed martial artistist you are. It's like comparing 1 to many. Wing Chun doesn't have much ground fighting. Most MMA fighters would use wing chun to increase technique. Like how you'd learn Ju Jitsu to improve grapple and ground fighting.
Duncan Leung said this way back in the early 80's. "It's like this. You can enter, but you have to hobble your horse to qualify for this race". To be told half your moves are "illegal" because they are labeled deathly force...by the ones in-charge that have a hard-on for using rear naked choke was ridiculous.
All martial art styles are good in their own right. Some are better at defense, while others are better at offense. Some styles might be better overall, but it really depends on the individual. Find what works for you and practice that. If possible, train in two or three that compliment each other. That way there are fewer situations where you are less effective.
I did Wing Chun and latterly Opera house Wing Chun (Also known as Red boat Wing Chun} for about 10 years. Yes, if it goes to ground there's not much you can do, but the point is you end the fight in less than a minute against an untrained opponent. Sure it's dirty but in a dark street late at night you do what you need to do and you hope to incapacitate your attacker in as quickly as possible and not worry about the Leopard punch to the throat or Phoenix eye strikes. My best advice is to run away if possible to avoid any legal issues though, putting someone in hospital generally is frowned upon, no matter if you are just defending yourself, without witnesses it can get a bit sticky. It's not something to you use except as a last resort when all other options are gone.
Wing Chun gets you to that inside zone where elbows and trapping dominate. Most people don't know how to fight in that zone between stand up and grappling. Few arts like Panantukan focus on this.
Any halfway decent club boxer takes out the wing chun guys all day long. Against untrained fighters, yeah OK it will probably come in handy if you are good at it--and have other skills to complement WC as well. No one martial art is perfect and complete.
@@rapmeister1000I have trained in both WC and boxing for decades. Don't dismiss boxing. It is a great style to learn and pick up a strong fighting foundation that most styles just don't teach. Then it crosses over to greatly enhance any other style a person may want to learn . The way it is taught, gives a quick turnaround in understanding practical street fighting in a short time. Most other styles can say that. As far as WC, it's like many styles. There are a few some who are great at it. But, most would get hurt in a real street fight. As a rule the right teach for any style makes a night and day difference. Not all teachers will teach the practical street applications. But, just blindly doing forma. And, with WC it can take many years to grasp the deeper usage of WC that really make it practical. And, the muscle memory to be able to apply in a real situation. Situation. Then many teachers don't understand it from the application of it's shalin background . So much of the aspects can be lost.
any half decent club boxer will never land a punch on any half decent wing chun practitioner. you boxers have way too much confidence 😂 boxers train on bags, use gloves. bet those hands are soft like baby cheeks 😂 wing chung train on hard wood and bare hands.
Taijutsu is also limited in what they can do, there are pressure point strikes and bone breaks that isn't allowed. One technique, we use is using our fingers on the side of the body and squeeze between the ribs. lol try it and see how much it hurts ;)
Thinking MMA fighters would fight by MMA rules in a survival situation is stupid, they'd destroy a Wing Chun user. Watch the old MMA tournaments that allowed more violence for proof.
Don’t make up your mind from watching a video on RUclips. Train MMA for a year then go check out your local Wing Chun school. Don’t believe anything you hear and only half of what you see.
This is much more about training than style or school of martial arts. Put yourself in the works demand for high physical performance and you surely will thrive in whatever discpline os superior martial arts. Don’t miss yourself by choicing a discipline in the place of effort.
I practiced Wing Chun for about two years back in my early 20's. It's not bad, but it certainly isn't great either. I'd take Muay Thai or BJJ over that any day. Muay Thai is supierior to Wing Chun in every way imo, and BJJ adds the grappling and ground game to your skills
Them: “It won’t work in MMA, it’s not for scoring points.” Also them: “If you use it for scoring points, you’ll be a badass like these MMA champs who also use it.”
All these people saying 'X system will always beat Y system and Z system is outright ineffective' - they're overreaching the parameters of their own understanding to try and bolster their own importance or that of their preferred system. There are practical things you can take from any system. Turning up at any temple or gym in the first instance is an exercise in avoiding trouble or negative influences on the street or in the bar. And avoiding mind-numbing nonsense on the television. And the respectful-but-committed stance and ethos which is engendered through training and exercise is a useful conduit to dealing with trouble that might find you on the way home from the gym. Road tested martial arts lesson there which is 100% practical to the 99% who will never compete at the top tier of martial arts sports.
Really I watch the guy had four eye pokes and a punch to the nuts not even a warning in the ufc, I couldn't believe it The Reff should never be allowed again
Wing Chun does have weapons bu5terfky swords/daggers and bo staff I believe at least that is what I was taught and the school I trained with which is of the IP lineage bu5 there are multiple variations of this style
The thing about ancient martial arts is, it's ancient... Wing Chung is no exception, it's an out dated form of combat. This video is a biased point of historical view. It just doesn't work anymore...
Wing chun isn't banned anywhere. What touched wrote that? Just bait tactics or something. Wing chun has very little practical application. Slap fight advantage, I suppose?
Please excuse me, Chinese heritage people, but so many of the Chinese girls are pretty. I like Chinese people, because most are of good nature and smart.
I love this style I'm 65 n I'm looking for wing Chung club. I grew up around Marshal Arts most of my life read and watched different styles. But something draws me back towards Wing Chung
Here are the facts: Every martial art has it's pluses and minuses, or advantages and disadvantages. Wing Chun is no different. The pluses are stated in the video; however, what the narrator didn't state were its disadvantages. (1) Wing Chun doesn't allow or use high kicks. (2) Wing Chun practitioners don't (necessarily) practice blocking high kicks. (3) high kicks or even mid-level kicks can catch a Wing Chung practitioner off guard and cause him (or her) to get hurt badly or worse. (See the "Fighting Black Kings" documentary video for proof of such weaknesses.) The narrator didn't mention that Wing Chun does include weapons. The staff and butterfly knives are two weapons associated with the art. Lastly, the narrator must be A.I. generated or ignorant of the pronunciation of Ip Man's name. (His name is pronounced "Yip" or "Ip" Man not "I" "P" Man.)
LoL why do I keep seeing videos claiming wing chun is banned in MMA? It is NOT banned nor has it EVER BEEN banned. The ONLY PART of wing chun which IS banned are the same parts of ALL OTHER martial arts that are banned. These are strikes to areas which fighters are prohibited from striking such as the groin, neck, eyes and spine. If a martial art was considered banned strictly based on this criteria then no martial arts would be allowed. What I am saying is that every fighting style or martial art is restricted to the same degree as all others in MMA. If this just so happens to make a martial art so ineffective that fighters choose not to use that particular martial art, then that does not constitute a "ban" but rather the fighters choice of which techniques and fighting methods to use to achieve victory while fighting within the rules and regulations of the sport of MMA.
The real best masters don't fight MMA. Martial arts, as the name says for itself, were developed to kill, for at war the objective isn't to submit someone, but to take his life. If, at an MMA combat the rules would allow to kill one's opponent, who do you imagine that was to survive: the sumo, judo, jiu-jitsu, taekwondo, submission fighter, or a kung fu, ninjutsu, muai tay master? Can you imagine the immediate brain damage due to a one inch punch without gloves (which can easily destroy solid thick bricks and bones) against the head, chest or the throat? Face to face, an MMA champion is a toy.
A and B ,same fitness.level.same.weight same height , no martial art experience at all .A trains wing chun three times a week for six months B trains Muaythai (muay boran as well) three times a week also for six months, then put them in a street fight , whats the outcome？
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What a shit....😂😂 you Cut the Video when the "master " vs the MMA Fighter.....10 sec later the MMA Fighter destroy's that master....
I only made it half way through this video. Most of the scenes had nothing to do with Wing Chun and the narrator obviously knows very little about it.
If I have to defend myself, I’m not going to care about any rules.
Ya but you dont do that in an arena for money. apples and oranges.
@@voodooreptiles3553
MMA can be used as well as Wing Chun..boxing.. kickboxing..etc all can be implemented.
Sometimes it is a choice between disabling your opponent without too much bodily harm and crippling your opponent and going to jail because guess what? It is his word against yours and good luck proving that you have not exceeded the permissible limit of self-defense.
@@SvirepiyBambr-xw8rw yes I leave the laws don't defend the victim anymore that's why I've seen a lot of martial arts in self-defense places..
They'll train you to hold your hands up on front of you in a non combative stance/posture all the while this can potentially block a punch etc so if cameras are rolling they'll be seeing the other person as the aggressor..
Anyways.. it's good to have a form of self defense as the cops won't get there in time and don't care/are too lazy to do their jobs anyways.
I know.. I've been threatened by random people in my neighborhood and the cops did absolutely nothing about it.
So that's why I'm taking self defense classes.
In the streets, there is no referee.
It might work in the street against an untrained opponent, but in the cage is very likely to be ineffective due to lack of take down defense and submission game
MMA has rules, which WT does not, and yes that fact more or less prevents you from being 'effective' in the octagon.
Lack of takedown defense? I have been doing a variety of martial arts since age 9 and it's got one of the best, you obviously haven't taken it. The problem is 70% of the moves are unuseable in a ring(illegal)... but I made a legit brazilian jiu jitsu blackbelt fold on repeat w a few years of bagua and wing chun. I definatly had no blackbelt btw so action speaks louder then words...
Wing Chung is not banned in MMA, only certain dangerous techniques, which impacts many other martial arts too. After all it's a sport.
To be efficient, wt must be destructive as fast as possible. No Time to turn around an opponent and doing sport. It was not created in this purpose.
doesnt matter, still its not banned. Deadly strikes are seen in many Different martial arts 💁♂️and the rules are for a good reason they protects every fighter fighter no matter wich martial arts he is performing
@@theorel265 Okay. Which Martial Art was created for sport? BJJ? Muy Thai? Savate?
You see, WT is not alone. It is also not banned. There are just areas of the body you are not allowed to strike/grab. This affects all the 'styles'. Not just WT. Also WT is not seen in MMA because it is not effective. Go watch some Xu Xiaodong videos. He destroys Wing Chun, Wushu and other martial arts 'Masters'. This is not opinion. There are plenty of videos proving this. But not one video of these Kung Fu style arts working in the ring.
@@samrester6254 You think you have the truth. So let me tell you some tips. BJJ is jujitsu basically. If we take Judo for example, it was created for sport. Ask Jigoro kano and you'll see. Wing Chun also has competition in chi Sao (sport purpose) The reason you can't use wing chun in sport is because its techniques target vital points. If you don't do that, you are not doing WC. You don't know anything about this art. You saw a wing chun novice get beaten by a boxer and you think the grandmasters would be beaten in the same way. So If I go to a BJJ club and I beat a black belt, do you think BJJ is crap? I won't say that. The masters don't fight for good reasons. They have nothing to prove. They don't practice for sport, but for self defense or for the art itself. Some are Buddhists and do not want to do harm. It's also a philosophy taoist... But you are right, wing chun cannot work in the ring because it's not its area of application. But in the street, it work. I proved it many times against one guy and against four once. It saved my life several times. If I step into a ring, I'll do it to finish the fight right away or fail immediately. And to do that, I'll have to use all my techniques. I can't use the basics to do sports or I'll loose. It is peculiarity of wing chun, and other Kung fu styles. Of course, we can practice some sparring but in this case, we will only use 30% of the skills. Stop watching RUclips videos and go to a wing chun class to see by yourself. Go in China and ask a fight with a true shaolin monk and you'll see.
Sorry bro, but it's an art. 🫶
yes, that is why there are so many MMA wing chun champions. Wasn't a few guys that went around China and challenged these masters?
claming eye gauging or troat attack as part of a martial art and then compare it with a sport it is wild. MMA and other fighters can also throat attack. In a no rule match camp to champ there is no martial art master that can withstand an MMA champion.
MMA has rules, Wing Tsun does not. Happy to help.
In mma you cant hit the opponent in the throat cause it can kill someone genuinely
bruce lee forever...
All martial arts teaches that stuff not just Wing Chun
This is not true. Hit someone in the throat actually occur in MMA fights by accident, and it doesn't result in DQ. The true is that hit the throat is very hard, and commonly don't result in serious damage
@@lucasfelipe-ze5sy It is true. You arent allowed to in the mma. They also have gloves.. And its still a very dangerous spot to go for in a REAL fight just as ears are.
😂@@voodooreptiles3553
😂😂😂😂😂 ban in the UFC? That’s to protect these masters from getting their butts kicked! 😂😂😂😂😂
I've watched a lot of Wing Chun Masters, and other martial art Masters get their butts kicked by MMA guys
@@bigjax-lf7jr uh huh... and I've seen the same thing the other way around, a bunch of "mma experts" getting their as kicked by wushu guys
I will not take the disrespect of literally any martial art, especially not from some random guy who uses the fucking :cry_laughing: emoji legitimately.
have you even seen actual Wing Chun?? like the proper China version?
I don't think so!
it is banned in mma idiot, look at the rule book and you will see most of the most effective techniques banned. This asshole is just making a joke out of himself lol.
Ok so combining my knowledge of past ufc fights, martial arts movies, martial arts practices ill say this: in ufc, those people get wrecked due to rules. I've seen navy seals, wing chun, and krav maga experts get destroyed quickly, but what do all of these disciplines have in common? They're all meant to neutralize a threat quickly using whatever means possible. Doesn't make them ineffective by any means.
i.p.-man! 😂👌
I Know ! Why do they Always do that ? Like I.P. are supposed to be his initials or something, like C.S. Lewis, H.G. Wells, H.P. Lovecraft ?
@@mountaintiger6945 Im pretty sure ip man is his name- like, his han yu pin yin for his name
@@platypusking9525 His name was Yip Man.
@@kamilatmo ah, my bad then!
That's what I call the technician that fixes my internet when it stops working.
If I understand correctly no punches to the eyes, throat, balls Wing Chun is a dead skill. Dude, you don't need Wing Chun for that stuff.
Nope sure don't but they're convinced that these super secret techiques will work. There's a reason we don't see traditional Chinese martial arts in videos successfully defending themselves on the street we have tons in other martial arts.
Yah but meet someone on a street with Wing-Chun, you’ve lost before you know what’s happened. Now if your alive after your very lucky or another way of putting it is the Wing-Chun artist did something wrong. X
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂@@AmandaJayne46
Wing Chung used properly allows the practitioner to predict what their opponent is going to do based on a sensitivity to body mechanics. What is so difficult about Wing Chun is allowing your training to take over instead of your fear, ego or desire for strategy. To employ Wing Chun successfully you have to be highly trained in technique, impervious to ego and fearless. There is a Japanese concept called “Mushin” which very helpful in employing Wing Chun…I’m a grappler and practitioner of BJJ. I’ve also done Wing Chun. The potential of Wing Chun for those that can master their emotions is an art that would be dominant in the ring. There are a multitude of Wing Chun techniques used in MMA and UFC
Lol, why are you lying on the Internet? Wing Chung is meant to look pretty, it's not a martial art.
@@hlaw2830 whatever….go back to your video games. I’m trying to have an adult conversation and you clearly don’t qualify
@@hlaw2830
It's a martial art...
Even though many throw shade at it..
Wing Chun is a bottom tier martial art. Every fighting style has ways of predicting others, it's not special and it's not effective comparitively. Want proof? Watch any of the older MMA tournaments that allowed a little more violence and see how quick other martial artists removed opponents' teeth. Wing Chun can only be considered good if you are already much stronger and faster than an opponent so it's a bad technique. Also allowing the use of any technique doesn't make it better because if you allowed a different martial artist the same freedom they'd destroy a Wing Chun user. AGAIN proven by people challenging Wing Chun "masters". Sorry, it's just dated.
@@christophersadri6464 how long have you studied Wing Chun? Oh you haven’t. Not only do you not have any Wing Chin experience you have no experience in reading comprehension.
Wing Chung is a nice ,gentle form of exercise and that is all. It’s perfect for older people especially when developing movement issues.
Good day... are you not thinking about Tai Chi?
@@WillemBritz666 you’re right. Sorry. Senility is setting in and everything is melding together. I need tai chi/wing Chung for the brain.
Please come to my school and see how we're nothing but exercise.
Show me one time any of these kungfu masters have ever done any good in a UFC octagon
Mma is a sport not a death match.
There's been quite a few sanda fighters that have done well, Zabit Magomedsharipov for example.
Liota Machida bro. Wonder Boy Thompson. Two of the greatest strikers all time. But neither used lame ass Wang chung. This is a joke fighting style. All for movies. Any Lumpinee stadium Muay Thai fighter could destroy the greatest Wang chung fighters in the world back to back to back.
Shows what you know about sport and survival
Even Anderson silva was trained in this fighting style. He's also Muai Thai and kickboxing. Plenty of fighters in mma train many different styles. Cause mma is not a style in itself. They use many different styles.
MMA Needs to expand and have specialized types of matches for fighters where the audience right before the fight is given a list of Styles that the fighters have stated they know and then the fighters can only use the style the audience votes on for the entire fight. Also effort would be put into making sure the people that set up MMA fights purposely make sure they seek out fighters that know Drunken Kung Fu and Monkey Kung Fu etc etc... this way things get really spiced up. MMA would still have all the stuff it currently has, this would just be some fun isolated sub set of types of fights they host.
Martial Arts is all about self defence but in today’s society is all sports
The simple fact no Wing Chun masters are MMA champions instantly proves this is b.s. Every martial art has lethal techniques. Muay Thai fighters could easily choose to kill someone. BJJ fighters obviously could just not let off the submission and snap bones or choke someone to death without breaking a sweat. Yet they chose not to do that and still compete against each other. Wing Chun practitioners are not banned from anything. They choose not to compete. Traditional self defense arts are great, and I recommend everyone I know and love to train in them. Wing Chun and Krav Maga are 2 of my favorites. But they are focused on facing untrained attackers. MMA specifically focuses on facing other extremely high level fighters. A well trained MMA fighter will completely shut down a Wing Chun master. It will be like a toddler trying to fighter their father.
lol at ur bjj bias
I have still never seen anybody who could really use wing chun as it should be. But hopelessly still waiting. :(
FACT..!
😂it's not the system it's the practitioners
Realest comment I've read so far. If you train for actual fighting it doesn't matter what system you use. A kick is a kick, a punch is a punch.
Bingo
if all a boxer did was shadow box and never did any sparring or learned how to apply their techniques they would do just as poorly as these so called masters...it's not the art it's the artist's experience.
In real fights martial arts like karate, Taekwando, Kung Fu, Aikido, etc. have no chance against Judo, Muay Thai (Muay Boran), Kick Boxing and BJJ. Silat and Kali might be in between. They are, however, absolutely esthetic to watch but much less effective when it comes to a street fight. Many martial art specialists have confirmed that in the past.....
Look up Sanda, there's been quite a few of those guys do pretty well in mma, there's a difference between form and application that a lot of people overlook when it comes to fighting.
No real hand to hand combat that is designed for war should ever try to compete in a sport. Not without messing themselves up still doing hand to hand combat like Kali anyways I can say because that's 1 martial art I've done. The moves in kali and striking are all illegal in sports because there designed to live in a serious fight for one's life. By doing a sport your no longer doing kali. You are trying to use kali in a way holding yourself back from the real moves and technics that you learn through muscle memory. There is no defense in Kali. It attack and counter attack. It may or may not involve weapons. It is to strike when one is strong and when one is week from a blow grapple and break bones. Stick the opponent in the eye. Scratching it so that both eyes water and they can't see. It is a true means of tactics to destroy a opponent and never be in the way of the blade learning with weapons first. The movements are the same with open hands. But learning the proper technics through weapons is key. Not to be touched. That doesn't work in sports. Except maybe the Roman gladiators days. If you have these skills and try to go back to sports fighting. Witch we all must agree is to simulate what a real fight for survival is. Will set one back and jeopardize there abilities in real hand to hand combat. Witch could cause you to second guess or slowing down your thinking abilities bouncing back and fourth. Speed kills.
That is why good fighters are going to study and pratice mulitple forms not just one in order to be well versed and ready.
^ In real fight without weapon, every m.art subjects are mostly effect equal (dangerous technics) but each of trained persons makes the different levels!
Eye Pea Man? ;)
Love Wing Chun
Who here would have maybe been persuaded if they'd at least have shown one mma fight that had Wang Chung being used. It would have gone a long way for your narrative.
That sh*t didn't work for Jason Delucia in the cage when there was NO rules!😂
Wing Tsun is effective with no rules. Don't know Jason, but he needs to train!
@brianrasmussen2956 Jason got his arm broken by Gracie in UFC 1 or 2
You lost me at 0:31 in the video, Jackie Jackie Chan isn't a martial artist; he's openly and humbly stated this many times. He's an amazingly talented stunt man who has used elements of martial arts in his movies, but he is not a fighter.
Wing chun is banned in mma?!?! Are you kidding me?!?! That dream went down the drain real fast
Bruh. Wing Chun has weapons forms too. Great video , but you were only scratching the surface. 🙏
A big fisherman grabbed my throat in a pub toilet. I snatched my throat back out of his grip and regretted it for about 3 days afterwards.
In the other hand, he must've been impressed because he totally folded after I accepted a challenge that he laid down minutes later. Once a bully is defeated in spirit, he is ready for total domination.
Im 53, and i started training Wing Chun when i was 13. I've also traindd Boksning, and Thaiboksning. WC is so effective in a streetfight!!!
When anyone attacks anyone else, that is a declaration of war. And as we all have heard many times over, "All's fair in love and war."
Hate to say it, but the average mma guy can destroy most wing Chung masters!
They can beat ALL "masters."
put your alcohol aside first before making fool of yourself lol 😉
Yeah, as long as there's a referee to save the MMA guy & a nearby medic.
MMA suggest Mix Martial Arts. The more arts you know, the better mixed martial artistist you are. It's like comparing 1 to many. Wing Chun doesn't have much ground fighting. Most MMA fighters would use wing chun to increase technique. Like how you'd learn Ju Jitsu to improve grapple and ground fighting.
@@RustyShacklefordJr1337 Including Bruce Lee ?
Duncan Leung said this way back in the early 80's. "It's like this. You can enter, but you have to hobble your horse to qualify for this race".
To be told half your moves are "illegal" because they are labeled deathly force...by the ones in-charge that have a hard-on for using rear naked choke was ridiculous.
All martial art styles are good in their own right. Some are better at defense, while others are better at offense.
Some styles might be better overall, but it really depends on the individual. Find what works for you and practice that.
If possible, train in two or three that compliment each other. That way there are fewer situations where you are less effective.
I did Wing Chun and latterly Opera house Wing Chun (Also known as Red boat Wing Chun} for about 10 years. Yes, if it goes to ground there's not much you can do, but the point is you end the fight in less than a minute against an untrained opponent. Sure it's dirty but in a dark street late at night you do what you need to do and you hope to incapacitate your attacker in as quickly as possible and not worry about the Leopard punch to the throat or Phoenix eye strikes. My best advice is to run away if possible to avoid any legal issues though, putting someone in hospital generally is frowned upon, no matter if you are just defending yourself, without witnesses it can get a bit sticky. It's not something to you use except as a last resort when all other options are gone.
Wing Chun gets you to that inside zone where elbows and trapping dominate. Most people don't know how to fight in that zone between stand up and grappling. Few arts like Panantukan focus on this.
Any halfway decent club boxer takes out the wing chun guys all day long. Against untrained fighters, yeah OK it will probably come in handy if you are good at it--and have other skills to complement WC as well. No one martial art is perfect and complete.
Les arts martiaux c avec armes
And yet, you’re so confident in boxing.
Absolutely!
@@rapmeister1000I have trained in both WC and boxing for decades. Don't dismiss boxing. It is a great style to learn and pick up a strong fighting foundation that most styles just don't teach. Then it crosses over to greatly enhance any other style a person may want to learn . The way it is taught, gives a quick turnaround in understanding practical street fighting in a short time. Most other styles can say that. As far as WC, it's like many styles. There are a few some who are great at it. But, most would get hurt in a real street fight. As a rule the right teach for any style makes a night and day difference. Not all teachers will teach the practical street applications. But, just blindly doing forma. And, with WC it can take many years to grasp the deeper usage of WC that really make it practical. And, the muscle memory to be able to apply in a real situation. Situation. Then many teachers don't understand it from the application of it's shalin background . So much of the aspects can be lost.
any half decent club boxer will never land a punch on any half decent wing chun practitioner.
you boxers have way too much confidence 😂
boxers train on bags, use gloves.
bet those hands are soft like baby cheeks 😂
wing chung train on hard wood and bare hands.
Taijutsu is also limited in what they can do, there are pressure point strikes and bone breaks that isn't allowed. One technique, we use is using our fingers on the side of the body and squeeze between the ribs. lol try it and see how much it hurts ;)
"Everybody have fun tonight
Everybody Wiang Chung tonight"
Some styles are sport some styles are combat.
Wing Chun in an mma competition means holding back because of rules. Wing Chun for real life survival only.
Thinking MMA fighters would fight by MMA rules in a survival situation is stupid, they'd destroy a Wing Chun user. Watch the old MMA tournaments that allowed more violence for proof.
It’s a close combat when if ur not fast enough u already die on strike and u are out it’s a matter of second
Don’t make up your mind from watching a video on RUclips. Train MMA for a year then go check out your local Wing Chun school. Don’t believe anything you hear and only half of what you see.
This is much more about training than style or school of martial arts. Put yourself in the works demand for high physical performance and you surely will thrive in whatever discpline os superior martial arts. Don’t miss yourself by choicing a discipline in the place of effort.
I practiced Wing Chun for about two years back in my early 20's. It's not bad, but it certainly isn't great either. I'd take Muay Thai or BJJ over that any day. Muay Thai is supierior to Wing Chun in every way imo, and BJJ adds the grappling and ground game to your skills
biu gee explains it all. not for TV entertainment. end the confrontation and keep your family and self safe
Them: “It won’t work in MMA, it’s not for scoring points.”
Also them: “If you use it for scoring points, you’ll be a badass like these MMA champs who also use it.”
Wing Tsun will not work with rules.
All these people saying 'X system will always beat Y system and Z system is outright ineffective' - they're overreaching the parameters of their own understanding to try and bolster their own importance or that of their preferred system. There are practical things you can take from any system.
Turning up at any temple or gym in the first instance is an exercise in avoiding trouble or negative influences on the street or in the bar. And avoiding mind-numbing nonsense on the television. And the respectful-but-committed stance and ethos which is engendered through training and exercise is a useful conduit to dealing with trouble that might find you on the way home from the gym.
Road tested martial arts lesson there which is 100% practical to the 99% who will never compete at the top tier of martial arts sports.
Its I Pee man.😂
Maybe it stands for Internet Protocol Man? 😁
Noted, guys 😂
True story...knew a guy who, based on the title, thought the film was about a protagonist advocating for Intellectual Property rights .
I P man wasn’t the one who made famous or renowned he was legendary in his own right but we would never know of him if not for Bruce Lee
Wing Chun more deadly then karate and Muay Thai boxing 😂😂😂😂😂😂…
Wing Chung is not banned in MMA, these stupid headlines just prevent me from liking the video
Tong Leong. Deadlier than u can ever imagine
Tong Long - Chu Gar 😊
Really I watch the guy had four eye pokes and a punch to the nuts not even a warning in the ufc, I couldn't believe it The Reff should never be allowed again
6 second street fight. It is quite effective
IP man, huh? Is that your creation, is it? Then I guess you own the IP on it.
Except it's not banned in MMA. Tell me you don't know the definition of M.M.A. without telling me you don't know the definition of M.M.A.
MMA has rules, Wing Tsun does not.
Wing Chun does have weapons bu5terfky swords/daggers and bo staff I believe at least that is what I was taught and the school I trained with which is of the IP lineage bu5 there are multiple variations of this style
How about doing a video with Master Wong rather than just using video clips of him in the video above?
Wing Chun guy challenged the MMA fighter but he was badly defeated.😂😂
MMA has rules, Wing Tsun does not.
I didnt learn anything like eye gouging or throat grabbing lol
Uncle and mma fighters could never even close to shaolin or monk fighters.
Sports and politics do not mix! Don’t always use it for propaganda!! They are different techniques of fighting depending how well you adopt it ! 😤🥶
Never going to be in a dark alley
This gave me a headache. They said wing chung too many times
Wing Chung is the best Bulshido ever
How do they train?
Boxers beat each other regularly and it makes them prepared to punch and get punched.
Do WT students spar?
This is true of Wing Vhung only if your real good, years of practice
Master Tu Teng Yao is the boss !
Shaolin monks practice Tai Chi Chuan and Yuechia kung fu, not Wing Chun.
Wing Chun is only banned in MMA is because of the eye-pokes and throat choke techniques. Everything else could probably be used if it's affective.
The issue being, we practice without rules, it's almost impossible to not fight as you practice.
To see the real extent of Wing Chun, you have to tape a death match. Just not gonna happen.
Jon Jones master of at least one Wing Chun move.
Valid for any real martial art.
They're not designed for sport.
That's why mma is so wrong. There's nothing about martial arts there.
I don't watch mma, it's just a brainless face destroying insanity, that should be banned.
The thing about ancient martial arts is, it's ancient... Wing Chung is no exception, it's an out dated form of combat. This video is a biased point of historical view. It just doesn't work anymore...
Wing chun isn't banned anywhere. What touched wrote that? Just bait tactics or something. Wing chun has very little practical application. Slap fight advantage, I suppose?
Jon Jones must've learned the eye poke from wing chun then
There is Strong Wing Chun in his town - The grocery man
Please excuse me, Chinese heritage people, but so many of the Chinese girls are pretty. I like Chinese people, because most are of good nature and smart.
I love this style I'm 65 n I'm looking for wing Chung club. I grew up around Marshal Arts most of my life read and watched different styles. But something draws me back towards Wing Chung
Marshal artists sound crazy
Bahahaha 😂😂 ya ok!!!! Wing chung 😂😂😂😂😂
The Problem in Wing Chun is not Wing Chun... it`s the Trainers..and that nyone get up with Money---and ONLY with Money.
Tha destroeyd Wing Chung
Here are the facts: Every martial art has it's pluses and minuses, or advantages and disadvantages. Wing Chun is no different. The pluses are stated in the video; however, what the narrator didn't state were its disadvantages. (1) Wing Chun doesn't allow or use high kicks. (2) Wing Chun practitioners don't (necessarily) practice blocking high kicks. (3) high kicks or even mid-level kicks can catch a Wing Chung practitioner off guard and cause him (or her) to get hurt badly or worse. (See the "Fighting Black Kings" documentary video for proof of such weaknesses.) The narrator didn't mention that Wing Chun does include weapons. The staff and butterfly knives are two weapons associated with the art. Lastly, the narrator must be A.I. generated or ignorant of the pronunciation of Ip Man's name. (His name is pronounced "Yip" or "Ip" Man not "I" "P" Man.)
Who cleaned the screen from scratches?😅😅
Again Wing Chun is NOT for self defense it the art of war a combat art
Wing Chun is literally not banned in MMA 😂
Everyone knows Bullshito is the ultimate fighting technique, ask the pillow Bullshito master Steve SeaGull.
I want to learn Wing Chung, and mix that style with taekwondo
Wng Chun is just for demonstration, most of the time it is notr effective or practical..
LoL why do I keep seeing videos claiming wing chun is banned in MMA? It is NOT banned nor has it EVER BEEN banned. The ONLY PART of wing chun which IS banned are the same parts of ALL OTHER martial arts that are banned. These are strikes to areas which fighters are prohibited from striking such as the groin, neck, eyes and spine. If a martial art was considered banned strictly based on this criteria then no martial arts would be allowed. What I am saying is that every fighting style or martial art is restricted to the same degree as all others in MMA. If this just so happens to make a martial art so ineffective that fighters choose not to use that particular martial art, then that does not constitute a "ban" but rather the fighters choice of which techniques and fighting methods to use to achieve victory while fighting within the rules and regulations of the sport of MMA.
banned in MMA? BWAHAHA. Any kid with 9 months in an MMA gym would drop that pajama dancer in under a minute.
Your titles are intended to mislead..
Yeah these guys dont move back just forward,wow
A lot of shit talk, but when it comes to fight with ordinary bokser, or mma fighter they cant stand a one minute.
Eye pee man??? 😂😂😂😂
Wing Chun vs Muay Thai? nah.
Actually wing chun does have weapons
The real best masters don't fight MMA. Martial arts, as the name says for itself, were developed to kill, for at war the objective isn't to submit someone, but to take his life. If, at an MMA combat the rules would allow to kill one's opponent, who do you imagine that was to survive: the sumo, judo, jiu-jitsu, taekwondo, submission fighter, or a kung fu, ninjutsu, muai tay master?
Can you imagine the immediate brain damage due to a one inch punch without gloves (which can easily destroy solid thick bricks and bones) against the head, chest or the throat? Face to face, an MMA champion is a toy.
It’s Ip pronouns as “Yip” Man. Not “I” “P” man Yip means leaf 🍃 in Chinese
Well when your not advanced in mixed martial arts you have to depend on eye gouging, throat punches, an kick to the nuts
wing chun is for movies making not for real fights
This is hilarious 😆😅😆
A and B ,same fitness.level.same.weight same height , no martial art experience at all .A trains wing chun three times a week for six months B trains Muaythai (muay boran as well) three times a week also for six months, then put them in a street fight , whats the outcome？