I came at Nietzsche from a different angle, when I noted the similarities between his perspectivism and one of the tools I find so valuable: anekantavada. It took off from there, and helped clarify things for me, to the point where I can say I am heavily influenced by Nietzsche, and perhaps always will be. A Nietzschean, though? Not really. As you say, there are other things (ie virtue, love, compassion etc) that seem equally valid as the Will to Power. Nietzsche was great for breaking my philosophical logjams, but was never front and centre.
"I used Nietzsche an awful lot as a excuse or as a justifier for a lot of bad behavior on my own part. A lot of selfish behavior. A lot of self-indulgent behavior." I had noticed a similar tendency in myself. I've gotten a lot of value from Nietzsche, particularly his emphasis on the affirmation of life, but I'd use it in harmful, sometimes self-destructive, ways. I'm loving these videos on your personal philosophical development!
I read nietzche a few years ago and plan on going back to it soon. He was the first philosopher i really read on my own and got me into philosphy. What i mostly take away from his work is the idea of being active and not just passively accepting ideas. I think a lot of people are to passive on ideas when it comes to religion and politics
Well, that's quite true. Nietzsche does go further than that on that matter - there's a lot of what we might call "conformist manners of being a non-conformist", and he criticizes those as well
I think polymaths like Goethe, Richard Wagner and John Cage can be considered to be philosophers? The polymath Jonathan Wolfe Miller is as well as being so versatile in other subjects, neurology, sculpting, medicine, directing, television presenting, polyglot, producing, illustrating, photography and humourist, is also deeply knowledgeable on linguistic philosophy and the philosophy of Wittgenstein.
at about 12:45 "I also loved the fact that Nietzsche was such a witty and brilliant and incisive analyst of... . Wit goes a long way toward make a philosophy convincing. It points to a meta-intelligence beyond the "mere intelligence" of competency with the subject matter at hand - it's a sense of playfulness, which is attractive, and it's persuasive as well. Bertrand Russell had it in spades. Noam Chomsky, not so much...
That was a really great video to watch, especially your comments about Nietzche and demolishing people. I've always struggled as well with testing the waters through Nietzchean concepts vs. simply maintaining the peace.
Nietzsche was what got me into philosophy, he just seemed to click with most of my thought, it was scary sometimes. I really like your take, I think I’ll watch some more of your videos.
Hahaha! Yeah . . . When I read Russell's "History", years back, I was not impressed with his grasp on quite a few figures. I think you can say that what you're getting is less the History or Philosophy and more Russell. So, on to the more weighty question: I always recommend starting with the Birth of Tragedy. Then, there's a lot of ways you can go, but the Genealogy ought to come in early on
Hi, Dr. Sadler. I'm a philosophy undergrad and I absolutely love your videos. I haven't heard you mention Eastern philosophy (Daoism, Confucianism, Buddhism) as far as I can remember and was wondering if you had any familiarity with it. I was curious because one of my professors is a Daoist scholar and wrote a book comparing Zhuangzi and Nietzsche. Just interested in your take if you have one and are handing it out.
I have some familiarity with "Eastern" philosophies and religions, but not at the level of competency I'd want to be at, if I were to start shooting videos about them
Cool. I have been getting deep into philosophy of language and mind recently, so I seem to oscillating between Nietzsche, Stoicism, pragmatism, and occasionally Chomsky. I think if I do graduate school, I'll be doing it with these guys as inspiration. Nietzsche is very fascinating especially his take on morals. Also, though I didn't like Deleuze at first, I think he does what Nietzsche says about revaluation of values as to his idea that philosophy is about the production of concepts. I feel like there's something about Nietzsche's metaethics is attractive. Though, his view that nature is irrational still doesn't sit well with me. Something can still be rational even if it seems contradictory on the surface, maybe there's something deep within that something that rationally explains the surface, but we just don't know yet?
Yes, rationality is something that one has to develop and uncover, I'd say. Finding a place where you can concentrate on those thinkers and movements in philosophy would be rather tough here in the states. You might look for a place where you can do one of them well, and then carry on study of the others on the side
Yes, usually when I mention prison, people think Foucault and the panopticon idea. This was something very different -- much more about kill zones, parapets, channeling crowd movement, etc.
Well, a few different questions all rolled up in that. So, first off -- in providing a genealogical account of where values arose originally, Nietzsche is not saying that conditions are the same at present. Second, the individual who is self-valuing is precisely the strong, aristocratic type. Nietzsche seems to think (rightly, I'd say), that such an individual ends up needing/seeking out other strong individuals with which to have relations of friendship or enmity
+Gregory B. Sadler I was obsessed with Nietzsche in the beginning of college, eventually my professor introduced me to one of Bataille's works entitled, "On Nietzsche" After I read that, I found his writing addictive and read the book countless times, and then reading all his others. He meanders through some really volatile material while passing from incoherence to perfect clarity, from stillness to cataclysm. I find it really exciting. I like Bataille because he was so elusive, it's never really something where you "get it" and you kind of just get lost in it. He really is an endurance match, and eventually you get tired! If you have any insights on Bataille, I'd love to chat. I haven't really met any other people that have read him other than my professor.
Well, it's been some time since I've had the chance to read him -- a few years in fact. But, he is someone I'd like to get back to. the trick is indeed clearing the time.
The importance of a question is determined by its consequences. (Paraphrase of Camus) Being Nietzschean is a big HMMMMM. Thank you for your responses and for presenting such insightful videos.
Haha! Ahh I had written a long post discussing my journey through Nietzsche, but when I finished the video, it auto-played to the next video and deleted it all. That's alright hehe. All I'd like to say is this video was good to stimulate some reflection. I am a rising Philosophy and Religion senior and the president of my college's philosophy club. I read OGM, the Antichrist, and led my club through a semester-long in-depth reading of Thus Spoke Zarathustra. I too like some of his stuff and find it invaluable (esp. his ideas of excellence and reesentiment) and agree that it is rather incredible that Nietzsche totally disavows Christianity on the one end while lauding the essentially polysemic nature of thought/tradition, etc. Thanks for the videos. As someone who really enjoys studying Nietzsche, I'm sure I'll make it through your Nietzsche lectures at some point, and I am gearing up to read the Phenomenology of Spirit, and I will utilize your Half-Hour Hegel series as an accompaniment. Nicholas
I'm glad you find the videos useful. You'll likely find your views on Nietzsche shifting over time, with more and more rereadings and as you go through new phases of your life
Currently in the Nietzsche and Sartre phase. Interesting video and perspective to look at, I’ll check out your other phase videos. Haven’t read Foucault or Deleuze, although I have his Capital and Schizophrenia in my shelf, yet to have been read.
Wow! You made me so grateful that I began appreciating "The Neetch" in my 40's! I knew the slave/master shit was offensive the first time I read it. I was screaming at him, in my head, "Your beliefs create oppression!!"...and, perhaps because of that, I still keep him in my highest tier of regard...because I have very little of his garbage in my head, that is...I was gleaning from the start. The three things that I still feel are very important that I learned from him are, question where beliefs come from, the will to will, and the realization that we have no choice but to create an ubermensch - our decision is what form it will take. You are the closest thing I will ever get to a philosophy teacher...hate the concept, in fact. It's not a full on oxymoron, but it's "oxymoronic" (is that what you said he was able to do in German?), if you will, to me, so if anything screams at you as a misunderstanding, please, with no regard for my feelings, share why you believe that...if you have time...if it screams.😉 *As always, to all this, it seems to me with the information that I currently have.👍😃
I love nietzche I love challenging my own ideas about belief and morality but I still have a lot of Christian-platonic views on morality. Personally I think will to power is intriguing because it can be incredibly awful but if tamed it can be empowering and liberating. At 36 I’m just now finding the patience to explore philosophy and it’s so joyful. I’m a huge fan of your work dr Sadler and thank you for all you do.
I've a relatively wiki-esque knowledge of his works having only read Kaufmann and part of the original texts, but from what I gather he expressly stated that he wanted someone to argue against him. To prove him wrong and to bring about some sort of new understanding of things. Perhaps his 'fangs' with so many definite and solid statements were done very much on purpose. I've met many Christians who were not at all trying to gain power over others, that their way of life as following Jesus was a means of being a good person. Adopting children, providing them with a good home, preaching love over hate, helping the less fortunate at food shelters and so on. Yeah, you could argue that's their 'will to power', but you can always second guess someones intentions (whether subconsciously or not). Thank you for providing an example of how his works effected you and how you grew out of truly subscribing to his texts. On another note, I heard you mention before that he was an atheist which Kaufmann stated was not necessarily the case, "I would only believe in a god that could dance" which as we know there are some Gods from Eastern origins that DID dance and I'm sure that he probably was aware of them (names escape me right now)... anyways, thank you again and cheers!
Well, that aristocratic are is irrecoverable. But, for N. that doesn't preclude new ones. It seems to me that one of the goals N sets out is actually to get beyond the bad conscience, which takes many other forms than just a social contract notion of society. Would being Nietzschean transform relationships between friendships and enemies into something healthy? That's the standard line, isn't it? Personally, I don't think so.
Well, I myself see the "analytic-continental divide" as a bit silly. There's some analytics, like John Wisdom, who were excellent readers of the "continental" stuff of their time, and likewise continentals like Paul Ricoeur, who engage what analytic philosophy has to offer. One could add to that that both analytics and continentals tend to be fairly poor historians of philosophy, for quite different reasons. The main exceptions to that would be hermeneutics and some phenomenology
Hello! I would love to see more videos of these phases of yours because I can relate to many of them. I'd also like to see you talk more about the Philosophy of Language and what are your takes on it. I appreciate your time into this videos! :)
Now that is a particularly interesting question. . . tough to say, except by way of negation. It wouldn't be any of the more treatise-like works, e.g. the Genealogy -- those have a kind of academic audience of peers in sight, so not a "lonely" work. Maybe Ecce Homo, in a way, since people generally write things like "why I am a destiny" when they're very much on their own? Although. . . you want something FOR a lonely person. . . This definitely bears more reflecting and rereading. . .
3:25 when you start talking about you going through that romantic phase of adolescence.. I have found myself in a similar situation. I felt like I was encountered with so many ideas that I did not even know what was true anymore? Is that something you felt? and how did you deal with it? Thanks
Anthony Madia I’ve never been in a state in which I had no idea what was true, even though a lot of things could be doubtful. Whether or not I was OK with the truths, that’s a separate issue
Seriously, we came to Nietzsche for very similar reasons. Stanley Rosen was also my PhD dissertation advisor. His classes were very intense and engaging.
"Attracted by my style and talk You’d follow, in my footsteps walk? Follow yourself unswervingly, So careful! shall you follow me." - Fritz Interesting video, thanks.
Re the effects being Nietzschean has on relationships: If it is true that value originated out the relationship between noble debtors and creditors, then the communal values derived form this mutual measuring are "vital". If, however, the individual becomes self-valuing, is self-accrediting, would this not release then tension between the need to maintain relationships and the expansive expression of the will to power?
I am only starting to get into continental philosophy. I've been studying philosophy independently for quite some time now, but I have been entirely focused on the analytic tradition (influenced heavily by the likes of Lowe, Tooley, Chalmers, BonJour, Nagel, etc.) The experience is tantamount to culture shock; I find it hard to sympathize with the sort-of "arational" and recurrent subjectivist themes, and I am used to the clarity & precision of analytic philosophy, but it is still enjoyable.
Yes, I'd heard that his graduate classes were exactly that, but that he also goofed off a lot in the undergrad classes -- he saw the grad classes as valuable, the undergrad as just bread and circuses
I've never read Nietzsche in the original German, and I haven't read all of his books, but I have read a few translations. It's great stuff. His elitism was quite appealing to me too... but I became turned off by Nietzsche mainly by his notion of the Overman. He seemed to take it hyperbolic extremes. I like the notion of the Re-evaluation of Values. My favorite work by him to this day is "On Truth and Lying in a Non-Moral Sense," where he anticipates Saussure linguistic philosophy and Structuralism.
No -- By the time I read him, Nietzsche was long dead! Reading his books and living according to an interpretation of them, coupled with some of my own tendencies led to quite aggressive behavior. "Bullying"? A term I think gets way overused these days. There's a difference between actual bullying and engaging opponents that end up being unequal to you, but who are willing to fight. 'd also say there's a difference between "picking on" and "bullying". In my day, it meant something pretty bad
I am but a high school sophomore and am merely beginning to look into the world of philosophy, and so far I've really taken a liking to Nietzsche and Sartre, but also Wittgenstein and later philosophers in the analytic tradition. I wonder, what do you think of the current status of philosophy degrees? Is it worth putting in the time and effort (granted you have a passion for the subject, which I am developing) to earn a degree in the subject? What is the philosopher's role in modern society?
You shouldn't have told them "if you can't face up to reality, shut up" because that's asking them to shut it, which is to take it hard and vengefully and demand that someone will do something for you, because you're dependent on them. You could have just told them "cowshit" and don't mind how they take it. If someone takes it hard, he isn't worthy of your friendship, and if you take your misfortunes and failures hard it means you aren't worthy yourself. You shouldn't ask worms to face up to you or shut up, don't spare them the truth, it's best for them and everybody! If someone can't handle the truth, he isn't worthy of the truth!
Haha...I can relate to your past experience where you had some critical, existential interrogations about one's self..."hanging out with burn out friends and going to parties" I still do that while trying to expand and feed some of my cultural/educational needs in a more autodidactic manner...Right now I'm heavily drawn towards thinkers/writers like Dostoevsky, Camus, Nietzsche, J.J. Rousseau, H.D. Thoreau, Epicurus, Heraclitus
Maybe I'm just a bit of a square/goody-two-shoes but I've always found most of Nietzsche's work either positively repellant or rather uninteresting/trivial - I'm much more into seriously and systematic argued philosophy than profound aphoristics or sparkling prose.
Have you engaged with Spengler? He's my thinker at the moment although I suspect I'll go through my obligatory Nietzsche phase as I enter my early 20s.
@@GregoryBSadler I don't know in what sense you mean he's second rate. As a generalist he of course made mistakes, but when I look into the essence of his work, namely his moving away from this Eurocentric model of history, there are many insights to be had. Not that you would disagree.
yes... I wanted to shoot for that goal. Occasionally, I still do. But at my age, I have had the time to see my limitations, and wonder just how much more I can or will grow. Now that's sad. Now its time to go to the gym.
Gregory B. Sadler Great. Always looking for ways to keep my languages sharp! Which works would you recommend that are not quite as narrative as Also Sprach Zarathustra?
Of Nietzsche? They're all less narrative than Zarathustra. I typically start people studying Nietzsche off with the Birth of Tragedy and Genealogy of Morals. As it happens, I've got 4 hours of video lectures on both
I am on my " Platonic phase" 😍 😊 get it? Hahaha, Sorry, hope not disrespecting you. I thank you , you tought me how to understand Nietzsche and I learned how much I saw the world like him For bad and Good.
People sometimes go through all sorts of phases. Typically, you don't think of them as a phase while you're going through them - that's a lack of commitment
Great video! As a philosophy undergrad I got into philosophy through Nietzsche in many ways. I have a question -- you mentioned Deleuze at one point in the video, regarding his critique of dialectics. Could you point me in the direction of some of those works? Thanks!
Granted original valuations have undergone complex re-evaluations. The aristocratic age is irrecoverable. Although still strong, doesn't the aristocratic individual still suffer from bad conscience- still derive value (and dis-value) out of the contractual relationship with society? The crisis allegedly consists in the tenuous advent of a self-valuing "uber-crat" . Would not being Nietzschean transform relationships between friends and enemies alike into something- healthy?
So I've read Russell's History of Western Philosophy, and it seemed to me that Nietzsche was particularly misrepresented there. is that true? is there any other philosopher that Russell fails to represent, that I should be aware of? Which of N.'s books would you recommend and in what order?
I think at times these sorts of things can be quite useful, yes -- to see that a prof/researcher got into and attracted to their objects of study in idiosyncratic, personal ways. Scratch the surface with a lot of philosophers, and you'll find similar stuff, I think
I am my own agency. (3:54) I would always advocate reading stuff on your own. Nd taking courses. But it is the reading and thinking on your own which is ones secret life which puts life in your life. Life is one big research project, where one is trying to gather, understand, and to see into everything. It is the riches of life. N perspectvism: I still do this. Every time one philosopher seems to be the dogmatic answer for everything, all of a sudden, I will get "but what about..." . THen I try to make sense of all perspectives....darn...have to go....
Yes - without reading and thinking on one's own (which can be helped and structured by classes, commentaries, etc. to be sure), there's no making it one's own. . .
Morrison is where my "Nietzche stage" originated because I listened to the doors all my life since I could remember and had a few eye opening experiences last year and Helpled me understand Jim on a deeper more spiritual level and he brought me to nietzche, The average civilized person tend to not like nietzche and is a nazi. I disagree.. I'm 19 now and never met someone in real life who reads Nietzche like I do. I'm reading The Portable Nietzche now! And bought Many more Nietzche actual writes! Thanks for the Video!
I just tried to read thus spoke zarathrustra. I made it half way through and I stopped reading it. It's a boring book in my judgement. He is not much of a philosopher as he is a psychologist. He does make some keen insights into the human psyche. No doubt nietzsche is intuitive and passionate. Most of his ideas are inspired by the demon within. If he had a more scientific approach he would've been monumental. Unlike, when reading reading Plato, reading and deciphering nietzches' engimas leave you with little reward. His thought is not sublime or deep. He tries hard to be poetic but the demon in him does not realize how ugly and distorted he is. I wish someone had loved him properly. He wouldve been a muse for all ages. Nietzsche is disturbed and immature and jealous of Jesus and Socrates. He would've been more appealing to me never. Ever. Nonetheless, his intuitions and lightning flashes of brilliance are fascinating. His perspective is different. I applaud him for attempting be innovative and trying solve problems of individual. And he's right about somethings. Society is full of shit. Unfortunately, it did to much damage to him. The stress was more than he could bear. To bad he wasn't zarathustra in reality, only in his dwarf like dreams. Poor fellow. I wish him well in journey through the world of soul.
@@GregoryBSadler Maybe Dr. Sadler, but probably not. I am reading Goethe right now. A heavenly shower after slogging through Nietzsche. I love all your videos and insight. You are a hidden jewel of the load of shit that is the social media world. I should share some of my short stories , poems and philosophical writings sometime. Don't let my lazy cell phone texts messages decieve you. Hehe take care.
WHAT !?? You want to read a philosopher yourself rather than a commentary ? But what if you have an original thought ? What if you have an opinion that isn't popular? This kind of lunacy shouldn't be encouraged in higher education.
Yeah but I don't want to deny my body, deny the will of the earth as Nietzsche might say. So going for women is a Nietzschean thing as far as I'm concerned.
@@dochmbi “The reabsorption of semen by the blood is the strongest nourishment and, perhaps more than any other factor, it prompts the stimulus of power, the unrest of all forces toward the overcoming of resistances, the thirst for contradiction and resistance. The feeling of power has so far mounted highest in abstinent priests and hermits (for example, amoung the Brahmans).”
"What doesn't kill me makes me more socially awkward and harder to relate to."
this
bruh... there's a lot of truth there.
That which does not kill you will make you stronger, scarred and embittered.
@@MagnumInnominandum This
I came at Nietzsche from a different angle, when I noted the similarities between his perspectivism and one of the tools I find so valuable: anekantavada. It took off from there, and helped clarify things for me, to the point where I can say I am heavily influenced by Nietzsche, and perhaps always will be.
A Nietzschean, though? Not really. As you say, there are other things (ie virtue, love, compassion etc) that seem equally valid as the Will to Power. Nietzsche was great for breaking my philosophical logjams, but was never front and centre.
Anekantavad Interesting!
"I used Nietzsche an awful lot as a excuse or as a justifier for a lot of bad behavior on my own part. A lot of selfish behavior. A lot of self-indulgent behavior."
I had noticed a similar tendency in myself. I've gotten a lot of value from Nietzsche, particularly his emphasis on the affirmation of life, but I'd use it in harmful, sometimes self-destructive, ways.
I'm loving these videos on your personal philosophical development!
It's not as if one can't do that with other philosophers, but Nietzsche seems particularly ripe for that
There's nothing wrong with living the heavy metal life baby! Great video, Gregory!
I read nietzche a few years ago and plan on going back to it soon. He was the first philosopher i really read on my own and got me into philosphy. What i mostly take away from his work is the idea of being active and not just passively accepting ideas. I think a lot of people are to passive on ideas when it comes to religion and politics
Well, that's quite true. Nietzsche does go further than that on that matter - there's a lot of what we might call "conformist manners of being a non-conformist", and he criticizes those as well
Your personal experiences videos convinced me that I am not crazy.
Good
I'm reading "the genealogy of morals" and your videos are helping me a lot thank you so much
A great personal insight. Thank you. I'll try find more of these "phase" videos on your channel. Very insightful
Here you go - ruclips.net/p/PL4gvlOxpKKIhMF0NquJdqqGNYFrE06aIb
another more personal video
I think polymaths like Goethe, Richard Wagner and John Cage can be considered to be philosophers?
The polymath Jonathan Wolfe Miller is as well as being so versatile in other subjects, neurology, sculpting, medicine, directing, television presenting, polyglot, producing, illustrating, photography and humourist, is also deeply knowledgeable on linguistic philosophy and the philosophy of Wittgenstein.
You go on about me boasting my intelligence, well how completely self-centred and showing off is all this?!
I would enjoy reading the corpus of a Sadlerian Philosophy.
@@MagnumInnominandum There likely won't be any such thing
I'm glad I have found this channel. I'm a student going through a heavy Nitzschean/Heidegerrian phase so i can relate (:
Glad you enjoy it!
You're welcome -- thanks for the discussion
Well, I'll be shooting quite a few other videos about these "phases" -- I went through quite a few. Glad it's useful for you
Zhuangzi, William Blake and Nietzsche are my favourite anti-philosophers, as defined by Badiou.
at about 12:45 "I also loved the fact that Nietzsche was such a witty and brilliant and incisive analyst of...
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Wit goes a long way toward make a philosophy convincing. It points to a meta-intelligence beyond the "mere intelligence" of competency with the subject matter at hand - it's a sense of playfulness, which is attractive, and it's persuasive as well. Bertrand Russell had it in spades. Noam Chomsky, not so much...
That was a really great video to watch, especially your comments about Nietzche and demolishing people. I've always struggled as well with testing the waters through Nietzchean concepts vs. simply maintaining the peace.
Glad you enjoyed it
@@Ac-ip5hd Gotta pay attention to what is actually said in the video
Read thus spoke Zarathustra as my introduction to nietzsche, with complete disregard, and I still found it to be poetically powerful.
Sure. I did too. But there are better starting points
Glad it's helpful. My Aristotelian phase came much later
Nietzsche was what got me into philosophy, he just seemed to click with most of my thought, it was scary sometimes.
I really like your take, I think I’ll watch some more of your videos.
Hahaha! Yeah . . . When I read Russell's "History", years back, I was not impressed with his grasp on quite a few figures. I think you can say that what you're getting is less the History or Philosophy and more Russell.
So, on to the more weighty question: I always recommend starting with the Birth of Tragedy. Then, there's a lot of ways you can go, but the Genealogy ought to come in early on
Hi, Dr. Sadler. I'm a philosophy undergrad and I absolutely love your videos. I haven't heard you mention Eastern philosophy (Daoism, Confucianism, Buddhism) as far as I can remember and was wondering if you had any familiarity with it. I was curious because one of my professors is a Daoist scholar and wrote a book comparing Zhuangzi and Nietzsche. Just interested in your take if you have one and are handing it out.
I have some familiarity with "Eastern" philosophies and religions, but not at the level of competency I'd want to be at, if I were to start shooting videos about them
Gregory B. Sadler
Understandable. Thanks for the reply and for your videos :)
Cool. I have been getting deep into philosophy of language and mind recently, so I seem to oscillating between Nietzsche, Stoicism, pragmatism, and occasionally Chomsky. I think if I do graduate school, I'll be doing it with these guys as inspiration. Nietzsche is very fascinating especially his take on morals. Also, though I didn't like Deleuze at first, I think he does what Nietzsche says about revaluation of values as to his idea that philosophy is about the production of concepts. I feel like there's something about Nietzsche's metaethics is attractive. Though, his view that nature is irrational still doesn't sit well with me. Something can still be rational even if it seems contradictory on the surface, maybe there's something deep within that something that rationally explains the surface, but we just don't know yet?
Yes, rationality is something that one has to develop and uncover, I'd say.
Finding a place where you can concentrate on those thinkers and movements in philosophy would be rather tough here in the states. You might look for a place where you can do one of them well, and then carry on study of the others on the side
These philosophical development phases are really insightful. I'm looking forward to more videos of this nature.
I'm glad those videos have been helpful
Yes, usually when I mention prison, people think Foucault and the panopticon idea.
This was something very different -- much more about kill zones, parapets, channeling crowd movement, etc.
Thanks! There is a video coming up, down the line, that you may find very interesting, a propos of metal
You're welcome -- but that was an off-the-cuff answer. I really do need to think more about the question. . . .
Well, a few different questions all rolled up in that.
So, first off -- in providing a genealogical account of where values arose originally, Nietzsche is not saying that conditions are the same at present.
Second, the individual who is self-valuing is precisely the strong, aristocratic type. Nietzsche seems to think (rightly, I'd say), that such an individual ends up needing/seeking out other strong individuals with which to have relations of friendship or enmity
You're welcome -- and thanks as well
I had a Nietzsche phase which lasted quite a long time and sounded much like yours. But I had even a longer Bataille phase.
+Brad Susral That's quite interesting. What got you into -- and kept you in -- that?
+Gregory B. Sadler I was obsessed with Nietzsche in the beginning of college, eventually my professor introduced me to one of Bataille's works entitled, "On Nietzsche" After I read that, I found his writing addictive and read the book countless times, and then reading all his others. He meanders through some really volatile material while passing from incoherence to perfect clarity, from stillness to cataclysm. I find it really exciting. I like Bataille because he was so elusive, it's never really something where you "get it" and you kind of just get lost in it. He really is an endurance match, and eventually you get tired! If you have any insights on Bataille, I'd love to chat. I haven't really met any other people that have read him other than my professor.
Well, it's been some time since I've had the chance to read him -- a few years in fact. But, he is someone I'd like to get back to. the trick is indeed clearing the time.
You're welcome!
thanks! I will be doing that
The importance of a question is determined by its consequences. (Paraphrase of Camus) Being Nietzschean is a big HMMMMM. Thank you for your responses and for presenting such insightful videos.
Haha! Ahh I had written a long post discussing my journey through Nietzsche, but when I finished the video, it auto-played to the next video and deleted it all. That's alright hehe. All I'd like to say is this video was good to stimulate some reflection. I am a rising Philosophy and Religion senior and the president of my college's philosophy club. I read OGM, the Antichrist, and led my club through a semester-long in-depth reading of Thus Spoke Zarathustra. I too like some of his stuff and find it invaluable (esp. his ideas of excellence and reesentiment) and agree that it is rather incredible that Nietzsche totally disavows Christianity on the one end while lauding the essentially polysemic nature of thought/tradition, etc.
Thanks for the videos. As someone who really enjoys studying Nietzsche, I'm sure I'll make it through your Nietzsche lectures at some point, and I am gearing up to read the Phenomenology of Spirit, and I will utilize your Half-Hour Hegel series as an accompaniment.
Nicholas
I'm glad you find the videos useful. You'll likely find your views on Nietzsche shifting over time, with more and more rereadings and as you go through new phases of your life
Currently in the Nietzsche and Sartre phase. Interesting video and perspective to look at, I’ll check out your other phase videos. Haven’t read Foucault or Deleuze, although I have his Capital and Schizophrenia in my shelf, yet to have been read.
You're welcome
Thanks - your a wonderful speaker and a gifted man.
Glad it's useful for you
Wow! You made me so grateful that I began appreciating "The Neetch" in my 40's! I knew the slave/master shit was offensive the first time I read it. I was screaming at him, in my head, "Your beliefs create oppression!!"...and, perhaps because of that, I still keep him in my highest tier of regard...because I have very little of his garbage in my head, that is...I was gleaning from the start.
The three things that I still feel are very important that I learned from him are, question where beliefs come from, the will to will, and the realization that we have no choice but to create an ubermensch - our decision is what form it will take.
You are the closest thing I will ever get to a philosophy teacher...hate the concept, in fact. It's not a full on oxymoron, but it's "oxymoronic" (is that what you said he was able to do in German?), if you will, to me, so if anything screams at you as a misunderstanding, please, with no regard for my feelings, share why you believe that...if you have time...if it screams.😉
*As always, to all this, it seems to me with the information that I currently have.👍😃
Well, fortunately, I've been through quite a few "phases"!
Thank you very much, a lot of what you were saying about your teen years really resonated with me.
I love nietzche I love challenging my own ideas about belief and morality but I still have a lot of Christian-platonic views on morality. Personally I think will to power is intriguing because it can be incredibly awful but if tamed it can be empowering and liberating.
At 36 I’m just now finding the patience to explore philosophy and it’s so joyful. I’m a huge fan of your work dr Sadler and thank you for all you do.
I'm glad to read that you enjoy the video work!
Alan Keyes said he was overwhelmed when he first read Thus Spoke Zarasthusta.
Well that is a blast from the past. I remember when he was kind of a big thing, more than a decade ago
I've a relatively wiki-esque knowledge of his works having only read Kaufmann and part of the original texts, but from what I gather he expressly stated that he wanted someone to argue against him. To prove him wrong and to bring about some sort of new understanding of things. Perhaps his 'fangs' with so many definite and solid statements were done very much on purpose. I've met many Christians who were not at all trying to gain power over others, that their way of life as following Jesus was a means of being a good person. Adopting children, providing them with a good home, preaching love over hate, helping the less fortunate at food shelters and so on. Yeah, you could argue that's their 'will to power', but you can always second guess someones intentions (whether subconsciously or not). Thank you for providing an example of how his works effected you and how you grew out of truly subscribing to his texts.
On another note, I heard you mention before that he was an atheist which Kaufmann stated was not necessarily the case, "I would only believe in a god that could dance" which as we know there are some Gods from Eastern origins that DID dance and I'm sure that he probably was aware of them (names escape me right now)... anyways, thank you again and cheers!
There are many interpretations of Nietzsche. Glad you enjoyed the video
Well, that aristocratic are is irrecoverable. But, for N. that doesn't preclude new ones.
It seems to me that one of the goals N sets out is actually to get beyond the bad conscience, which takes many other forms than just a social contract notion of society.
Would being Nietzschean transform relationships between friendships and enemies into something healthy? That's the standard line, isn't it? Personally, I don't think so.
Really grateful for this. Am gonna be learning in a more systematic way
Good. Keep on at it
Chesterton comes to mind as well
Well, I myself see the "analytic-continental divide" as a bit silly.
There's some analytics, like John Wisdom, who were excellent readers of the "continental" stuff of their time, and likewise continentals like Paul Ricoeur, who engage what analytic philosophy has to offer.
One could add to that that both analytics and continentals tend to be fairly poor historians of philosophy, for quite different reasons. The main exceptions to that would be hermeneutics and some phenomenology
Hello! I would love to see more videos of these phases of yours because I can relate to many of them. I'd also like to see you talk more about the Philosophy of Language and what are your takes on it. I appreciate your time into this videos! :)
Sergio Davila I'll have to think about what phases I've had. . .
Now that is a particularly interesting question. . . tough to say, except by way of negation.
It wouldn't be any of the more treatise-like works, e.g. the Genealogy -- those have a kind of academic audience of peers in sight, so not a "lonely" work.
Maybe Ecce Homo, in a way, since people generally write things like "why I am a destiny" when they're very much on their own? Although. . . you want something FOR a lonely person. . .
This definitely bears more reflecting and rereading. . .
3:25 when you start talking about you going through that romantic phase of adolescence.. I have found myself in a similar situation. I felt like I was encountered with so many ideas that I did not even know what was true anymore? Is that something you felt? and how did you deal with it? Thanks
Anthony Madia I’ve never been in a state in which I had no idea what was true, even though a lot of things could be doubtful. Whether or not I was OK with the truths, that’s a separate issue
@@GregoryBSadler Yes, not being OK with the truths is more accurate
@@asdfaam I suppose the way I dealt with it was complex. Reading and thinking more about philosophy certainly played a role
Perhaps in another video
Thanks!
Seriously, we came to Nietzsche for very similar reasons. Stanley Rosen was also my PhD dissertation advisor. His classes were very intense and engaging.
Not me!😁
"Attracted by my style and talk
You’d follow, in my footsteps walk?
Follow yourself unswervingly,
So careful! shall you follow me." - Fritz
Interesting video, thanks.
I've got a video where I address some of that. you'll find it in my Personal Talks playlist
Re the effects being Nietzschean has on relationships: If it is true that value originated out the relationship between noble debtors and creditors, then the communal values derived form this mutual measuring are "vital". If, however, the individual becomes self-valuing, is self-accrediting, would this not release then tension between the need to maintain relationships and the expansive expression of the will to power?
Your vids are brilliant mate, keep it up
One might conclude from 20th century history that misunderstanding Nietzsche can have very dangerous consequences.
I am only starting to get into continental philosophy. I've been studying philosophy independently for quite some time now, but I have been entirely focused on the analytic tradition (influenced heavily by the likes of Lowe, Tooley, Chalmers, BonJour, Nagel, etc.) The experience is tantamount to culture shock; I find it hard to sympathize with the sort-of "arational" and recurrent subjectivist themes, and I am used to the clarity & precision of analytic philosophy, but it is still enjoyable.
Yes, I'd heard that his graduate classes were exactly that, but that he also goofed off a lot in the undergrad classes -- he saw the grad classes as valuable, the undergrad as just bread and circuses
Oh wow, this is great! Thanks Greg!
Yeah. . . I know. Got to drop the hammer on that stuff.
I've never read Nietzsche in the original German, and I haven't read all of his books, but I have read a few translations. It's great stuff. His elitism was quite appealing to me too... but I became turned off by Nietzsche mainly by his notion of the Overman. He seemed to take it hyperbolic extremes. I like the notion of the Re-evaluation of Values. My favorite work by him to this day is "On Truth and Lying in a Non-Moral Sense," where he anticipates Saussure linguistic philosophy and Structuralism.
Yes, there's quite a bit worth taking from Nietzsche
That's interesting.
Who do you have in mind as the "stooges"?
No -- By the time I read him, Nietzsche was long dead! Reading his books and living according to an interpretation of them, coupled with some of my own tendencies led to quite aggressive behavior.
"Bullying"? A term I think gets way overused these days. There's a difference between actual bullying and engaging opponents that end up being unequal to you, but who are willing to fight. 'd also say there's a difference between "picking on" and "bullying". In my day, it meant something pretty bad
what do you think he got right/wrong? I don´t think you elaborated on that.
Nope, I didn't
@@GregoryBSadler Could you perhaps talk about it?
@@donaltron2246 Perhaps sometime down the line
I am in my Aristotelian phase, Nietzsche is next. Your video will help me, thanks!
I am but a high school sophomore and am merely beginning to look into the world of philosophy, and so far I've really taken a liking to Nietzsche and Sartre, but also Wittgenstein and later philosophers in the analytic tradition. I wonder, what do you think of the current status of philosophy degrees? Is it worth putting in the time and effort (granted you have a passion for the subject, which I am developing) to earn a degree in the subject? What is the philosopher's role in modern society?
What's your current status mate
You shouldn't have told them "if you can't face up to reality, shut up" because that's asking them to shut it, which is to take it hard and vengefully and demand that someone will do something for you, because you're dependent on them. You could have just told them "cowshit" and don't mind how they take it. If someone takes it hard, he isn't worthy of your friendship, and if you take your misfortunes and failures hard it means you aren't worthy yourself. You shouldn't ask worms to face up to you or shut up, don't spare them the truth, it's best for them and everybody! If someone can't handle the truth, he isn't worthy of the truth!
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Haha...I can relate to your past experience where you had some critical, existential interrogations about one's self..."hanging out with burn out friends and going to parties" I still do that while trying to expand and feed some of my cultural/educational needs in a more autodidactic manner...Right now I'm heavily drawn towards thinkers/writers like Dostoevsky, Camus, Nietzsche, J.J. Rousseau, H.D. Thoreau, Epicurus, Heraclitus
I meant the ones you mentioned in the video.
Nice run through.. Need more good stuff on those 3 philosophical stooges. :)
What do you think of the philosophy of Max Stirner (especially in relation to Nietzche)?
Would have to go back and reread Stirner to have any relevant opinion myself
Oh, thanks for the reply.
Maybe I'm just a bit of a square/goody-two-shoes but I've always found most of Nietzsche's work either positively repellant or rather uninteresting/trivial - I'm much more into seriously and systematic argued philosophy than profound aphoristics or sparkling prose.
Yes, you're definitely bringing something of your own to the table that keeps you from seeing more to his work than what you've rejected it as
Thanks
Have you engaged with Spengler? He's my thinker at the moment although I suspect I'll go through my obligatory Nietzsche phase as I enter my early 20s.
Sure, I read him when younger. There's good reasons he's considered second-rate
@@GregoryBSadler I don't know in what sense you mean he's second rate. As a generalist he of course made mistakes, but when I look into the essence of his work, namely his moving away from this Eurocentric model of history, there are many insights to be had.
Not that you would disagree.
Good luck with your studies
@@GregoryBSadler Haha. I take that I'll need it.
yes... I wanted to shoot for that goal. Occasionally, I still do. But at my age, I have had the time to see my limitations, and wonder just how much more I can or will grow. Now that's sad. Now its time to go to the gym.
Well, a bit of progress each day - that's finitude. . .
Dr. Sadler, would you recommend reading Nietzsche in the original German?
If you can. sure
Gregory B. Sadler Great. Always looking for ways to keep my languages sharp! Which works would you recommend that are not quite as narrative as Also Sprach Zarathustra?
Of Nietzsche? They're all less narrative than Zarathustra. I typically start people studying Nietzsche off with the Birth of Tragedy and Genealogy of Morals. As it happens, I've got 4 hours of video lectures on both
Thank you again :)
I am on my " Platonic phase" 😍
😊 get it? Hahaha,
Sorry, hope not disrespecting you.
I thank you , you tought me how to understand Nietzsche and I learned how much I saw the world like him For bad and Good.
People sometimes go through all sorts of phases. Typically, you don't think of them as a phase while you're going through them - that's a lack of commitment
Great video! As a philosophy undergrad I got into philosophy through Nietzsche in many ways. I have a question -- you mentioned Deleuze at one point in the video, regarding his critique of dialectics. Could you point me in the direction of some of those works? Thanks!
Start with Deleuze's Nietzsche book, Nietzsche and Philosophy
Great, thank you!
great video
Granted original valuations have undergone complex re-evaluations. The aristocratic age is irrecoverable. Although still strong, doesn't the aristocratic individual still suffer from bad conscience- still derive value (and dis-value) out of the contractual relationship with society? The crisis allegedly consists in the tenuous advent of a self-valuing "uber-crat" . Would not being Nietzschean transform relationships between friends and enemies alike into something- healthy?
So I've read Russell's History of Western Philosophy, and it seemed to me that Nietzsche was particularly misrepresented there. is that true? is there any other philosopher that Russell fails to represent, that I should be aware of? Which of N.'s books would you recommend and in what order?
3:27
Talk about this.
Great Video ! Can I ask the name of the phenomenologist you mentioned who helped with insights on Nietzsche ? Thanks
Scheler
@@GregoryBSadler Thanks !
Where do you current philosophical commitments lie? I love your videos, just curious.
I've done a few others of these on figures who I'm much closer to -- Aristotle, Anselm, Blondel. . . .
I think at times these sorts of things can be quite useful, yes -- to see that a prof/researcher got into and attracted to their objects of study in idiosyncratic, personal ways.
Scratch the surface with a lot of philosophers, and you'll find similar stuff, I think
I am my own agency. (3:54) I would always advocate reading stuff on your own. Nd taking courses. But it is the reading and thinking on your own which is ones secret life which puts life in your life. Life is one big research project, where one is trying to gather, understand, and to see into everything. It is the riches of life. N perspectvism: I still do this. Every time one philosopher seems to be the dogmatic answer for everything, all of a sudden, I will get "but what about..." . THen I try to make sense of all perspectives....darn...have to go....
Yes - without reading and thinking on one's own (which can be helped and structured by classes, commentaries, etc. to be sure), there's no making it one's own. . .
What is the word you say a couple times in this talk? I can't make it out, it sounds like "resontimont".
Ressentiment - you'll want to read Nietzsche, where you'll see him using that term a lot
Morrison is where my "Nietzche stage" originated because I listened to the doors all my life since I could remember and had a few eye opening experiences last year and Helpled me understand Jim on a deeper more spiritual level and he brought me to nietzche, The average civilized person tend to not like nietzche and is a nazi. I disagree.. I'm 19 now and never met someone in real life who reads Nietzche like I do. I'm reading The Portable Nietzche now! And bought Many more Nietzche actual writes! Thanks for the Video!
You're welcome
The ruffian life. Yeah !
When you talk about your office building being designed by a prison architect, sounds a little bit like the Panopticon. Maybe Foucault was right lol.
Do you think that one needs to listen to Nietzsche's favourite music in order to understand his philosophy?
Dm.A.A.
No, though it certainly doesn't hurt
Well... I guess I should have seen this video first lol.
Not a problem. I actually need to make a few more of these
didn't we all go through a sartre phase though? haha
Only the cool kids!
I just tried to read thus spoke zarathrustra. I made it half way through and I stopped reading it. It's a boring book in my judgement. He is not much of a philosopher as he is a psychologist. He does make some keen insights into the human psyche. No doubt nietzsche is intuitive and passionate. Most of his ideas are inspired by the demon within. If he had a more scientific approach he would've been monumental. Unlike, when reading reading Plato, reading and deciphering nietzches' engimas leave you with little reward. His thought is not sublime or deep. He tries hard to be poetic but the demon in him does not realize how ugly and distorted he is. I wish someone had loved him properly. He wouldve been a muse for all ages. Nietzsche is disturbed and immature and jealous of Jesus and Socrates. He would've been more appealing to me never. Ever. Nonetheless, his intuitions and lightning flashes of brilliance are fascinating. His perspective is different. I applaud him for attempting be innovative and trying solve problems of individual. And he's right about somethings. Society is full of shit. Unfortunately, it did to much damage to him. The stress was more than he could bear. To bad he wasn't zarathustra in reality, only in his dwarf like dreams. Poor fellow. I wish him well in journey through the world of soul.
Well, perhaps down the line, you might reconsider some of your judgements, and get more out of the work.
Good luck with your studies
@@GregoryBSadler Maybe Dr. Sadler, but probably not. I am reading Goethe right now. A heavenly shower after slogging through Nietzsche. I love all your videos and insight. You are a hidden jewel of the load of shit that is the social media world. I should share some of my short stories , poems and philosophical writings sometime. Don't let my lazy cell phone texts messages decieve you. Hehe take care.
WHAT !?? You want to read a philosopher yourself rather than a commentary ? But what if you have an original thought ? What if you have an opinion that isn't popular? This kind of lunacy shouldn't be encouraged in higher education.
It's necessary to learn this sort of bad boy confrontational style of communication if you want to be decent at pickup.
That's definitely not a goal of mine
Yeah but I don't want to deny my body, deny the will of the earth as Nietzsche might say. So going for women is a Nietzschean thing as far as I'm concerned.
@@dochmbi “The reabsorption of semen by the blood is the strongest nourishment and, perhaps more than any other factor, it prompts the stimulus of power, the unrest of all forces toward the overcoming of resistances, the thirst for contradiction and resistance. The feeling of power has so far mounted highest in abstinent priests and hermits (for example, amoung the Brahmans).”