Your point on the budget is incorrect. NDSU is near the top in all FCS categories, so they DON'T have anything to spend it on. Therefore they didn't ask the state for more money. They pay Alston Payments, Full Cost of Attendance, have top 3 FCS coaching salaries and a growing collective. So they grew an athletic endowment to fund 100% of scholarships and built a 50 million dollar IPF with 100% private donors. Also right now, FCS teams can only fund 63 scholarships and less coaches
The PAC needs an 8th all sports member for the conference to be recognized by the NCAA. It doesn't make sense for them to bring up an FCS school to be a football only member. The best chance for NDSU to move up to FBS as a football only member in a conference is the Mountain West who already have their 8 all sports members. The addition of NIU as a football only member makes NDSU not as much of a geographical outlier anymore.
An 8 team league will not get a good TV deal. You need at least 10 to be competitive and adding a few teams in the central time zone will do wonders for TV ratings. The eastern half of the country is sleeping for a 7pm pacific start because it's 10 kickoff in much of the country
@@paschaldobbins8430Cal and Stanford are not going to go to the new PAC. Cal would get rid of its football program before it joined a conference with Boise because Cal and Stanford actually care about academics, and Stanford has enough endowment to go independent.
@@paschaldobbins8430 Not sure what you meant, but, yeah, Cal and Stanford are not joining the new PAC; they would probably join the Ivy League if the ACC disappeared, or, like I said, Stanford would go independent, and Cal would get rid of football until maybe the super league is formed and they'll wait for an invite.
I have no clue why RUclips suggested your video BUT worth the view and your video was spot on. I'm from Texas so seen what it's like seeing these smaller schools move up and straight up struggle for a few seasons. SHSU, UTSA, Texas State just to name a few.
For the schools in the smaller northwestern states (Montana/North Dakota/South Dakota) that have been dominating the FCS level lately, it seems like the best options are either to stay in the FCS or jump straight to the Pac 12 for a potential Power 5 spot in the near future. The middle option (Group of 5 spot with the Mountain West) might be too much of a risk with not enough financial reward to make it worth it
The stadium not expanding is a problem since they make so much of their money from tickets sales. But if this was 20 years ago I'd say they should but there is too much money in FBS and if your school doesn't have it or have a bunch of rich donors to supplement it, then don't do it
It’s amazing how many Bison fans I’ve heard actually believe this is a pathway to the Big 12 for them. Sorry but no. It’s only because, like their friends up in Grand Forks with hockey, there are limited number of schools with wrestling so they the Big 12 makes room for affiliate members. It’s why Oklahoma and Mizzou are still in the Big 12 (no SEC wrestling). Unless you believe there’s a real path for Wyoming, Cal Baptist, Northern Iowa and Utah Valley (also affiliate wrestling members) to ever be in the Big 12 to 😊
The PAC needs an 8th member & it cannot be an FCS school to meet the NCAA guidelines. An FCS school could possibly be a 9th member but not the eighth. Texas State Is chomping at the bit to be that eighth member. There are a few other FBS schools that have shown interest, but I am guessing if the can't get who they want it will be Texas State out of the Sun Belt Conference. Commissioner Gould is a lot better than her two predecessors. She is keeping the PAC alive. I don't want to hear how the PAC destroyed the MWC because a little over ten year ago the MWC did the same to the WAC.
You can't put a woman in charge of an athletic conference, you're doomed to fail. I wouldn't be shocked in the slightest if the PAC goes the way of the dodo in the next few years, they've already lost almost every halfway decent team they had.
@@joehill800 Wow, seriously. You are dumber than dog $h!t. Check her back ground in sports, from grade school on up. Check out her back ground. She grew up on a hog farm in Iowa, doing chores on the farm and playing sports. She even played boys sports, her father fought to get her into some boy sports as well & she excelled. She knows more about sports than you do. I would bet on that. She played college sports as well. Move into the 21st century cave boy.
When people in the Midwest look at NDSU, the obvious comparison is Boise State. Big city school in a rural area surrounded by states with no g-5 programs for a 500+ miles in any direction, and has vast areas that it alone recruits. The upper midwest, including Illinois, has the population of Texas and is a better recruiting area for offensive linemen, which is really what determines whether your program is good or not. It is hard to not be good there. If anything, NDSU's position has a higher ceiling than Boise. People in Fargo want to go because they think they can contend for the playoff, and are correct in this thinking. Some NDSU fans actually oppose moving to the MWC because they think it will be a competitive downgrade as currently composed. Also, regarding your initial point, NCAA bylaws allow the NCAA to give worthy schools immediate eligibility, this was an issue with JMU as well when they were trending toward being undefeated. NDSU has such an obvious case on this one that they might even be able to get a court to impose it if they tried.
NDSU Alum here (Class of 2020), this video was extremely informative. We are built on building a championship product. This program has climbed the ranks at every level it has played and won championships at EVERY level (D2 and FCS). It has and will always find a way to fight its way to the top or at least compete at the top. If given the G5 funding either in the Pac12 or MW NDSU will over 5-10 years win multiple conference championships. It would allow them to recruit even better players to an already established developmental program, going into States like Texas, AZ & Cal adding to its already established states of GA,FL. I would love a chance to watch you make a reverse of this video and say “My Case for NDSU to move up”
The knowledge you have blows my mind on sports. I've been wanting football more lately since watching your videos. I haven't honestly gotten into football since the early to mid 90s lol I've forgotten how fun watching a game is. Team sports compared to something like MMA? Is a difference that's more welcomed. Fantastic video Touchback as always
Naysayer….same arguments about “potential failure” that was said when people advised against moving from DIi to FCS…looked out those arguments panned out after 10 national FCS championships.
Yeah but its a much bigger reach to move from FCS to FBS than it is to move from D2 to FCS. Ask Texas State how that went it took 12 to get to a bowl game and 13 to get 2 bowl wins.
@@Denozo88depends on the program schools like app st, ga southern, jmu even Sam Houston st have moved up and made bowl games pretty fast especially app st so it honestly depends on the program but yea it’s a much bigger and harder jump from FCS to FBS as it should be
One part of NDSU moving up nobody talks about is actual school size which has something to do with long term viability of the program. NDSU enrollment is about 12 to 14 thousand and Boise St. 26 thousand. Recent FCS to FBS schools to FBS like James Madison and Sam Houston were also 25 k.
It should be noted that NDSU didn't even join FCS until 20 years ago. Part of me feels they actually should go to FBS even if they don't want to as it would test themselves at a new level and create the opportunity for new schools to step up at the FCS level.
There has never been a better time for Sdak NDSU, MSU and Montana to move up. The pac12 needs more life in the conference than just boise and those additions would give the conf a bit of credibility considering how well those schools have played against P4 schools in non conference
Fans are bored, not happy. We have a 38-1 home playoff record and most games are over at halftime. The whole season boils down to a few regular season games and a semifinal in the playoffs. We crave some better competition
You hit the nail on the head with explaining where NDSU is at in terms of deciding its future. I disagree that the Pac-12 is considering NDSU or any other FCS program because that doesn't fit their strategy nor does it work when they have until 2026 to get eight full members. It's much more likely that the Mountain West or CUSA will do that, but I don't believe moving up is worth it for the Bison. There are few programs in all college football history that are even remotely as successful as they are and that shouldn't be taken for granted. NDSU fans are used to winning, taking annual trips down to Frisco, and seeing the Bison win it all. Realistically, what do they have to gain by moving up? The same issues of money, stadium size, and small state population also apply to the Montana schools. I think all three should stay where they're at and it seems like the institutions feel comfortable remaining elite FCS programs as opposed to mediocre FBS teams
I appreciate you discussing this matter but pretty sure you have a few things wrong and are making alot of assumptions. John Wilner has reported that the Pac-12 is not looking to add any FCS teams. Pac-12 right now is in media right negotiations and shopping around with escalators for Memphis or Tulane. If those schools decide its not the right time to move it’s also been reported and confirmed that Texas State has been in deep talks with the Pac-12 and could be the 12th team. The Pac-12 has to add an already FBS member to be viable due to NCAA statutes. NDSU would not count. Additionally, NDSU lacks market potential due to its relative remoteness as well as small population size. The only thing NDSU adds is immediately competitive football but a former NDSU coach just took a job at Fresno State if you want to look at the current hierarchy.
@@devanwilliams1127 they don’t even offer immediately competitive football. They don’t have a NIL collective the athletic department budget is much smaller, and while ticket prices are high the ticket revenue is low. As soon as they jumped, the transfer portal would fill with all their best players immediately
The Pac-12 hasn't been doing anything for years now, and it is why the conference is in the dire situation it's in today. Shopping TV rights with hypothetical members is like me trying to sell my house while telling potential buyers maybe I am going to build a few extra rooms and a swimming pool. In other words, nerf ball. The Pac-12 really doesn't want Texas State because it is Texas State. I mean, this deal should have been done yesterday if the conference was serious. But they keep holding out hope that someone, anyone else will want to join them. And if that doesn't work, pray the poaching fees are dismissed and take more swings at MWC schools. That's not a plan. That's a prayer. And as I discussed in the video, NCAA rules aren't worth the paper they are written on. Just say the word "lawsuit" and things change. See JUCO eligibility.
@ oh OK! “The touchback” has media right negotiation expertise. Noted. Let me go ahead and get your number over to several of the commissioners to help them.
@@thetouchback I think you are downplaying the unique situation the Pac-12 is an. Even when the American formed it was composed of teams from a newly defunct Big East. We are talking about a conference that was near collapse and is not rebuilding was a base of just 2 teams. But shopping around with escalators isn’t even unique and the Big 12 did that with their last media deal and guaranteed a certain payout for any P5 team that was added (AKA the four corners). Texas State rejected the MWC offer because they knew they had a punchers chance with the Pac-12. The Big Mountain Pod spoke yesterday that they have sources that their is deep negotiations right now with Texas State. I’ve heard from other sources that they could be a travel parter with Memphis if the Pac-12 offers to buyout a majority of Memphis’s AAC GOR. Negotiations for a TV deal just started right before Thanksgiving when they secured Octagon as a consultant. I think $10-12M is very much still in range as it’s a less competitive media rights window and more players in it like the CW. Let’s see how it plays out.
@@DocSkirv At this point, if the bar is destroying a great conference and then being outfoxed by the MWC when trying to rebuild it, I'm certain I, or just about anyone else with a pulse and a lick of common sense, could do a better job. Why do I get a sneaking suspicion that the IP of your RUclips account would be traced back to San Ramon?
Not really sure why you’re attaching them to the PAC-12. The PAC is showing no interest in FCS programs and will keep going for established FBS brands. The only FBS conference attached at all to NDSU was the MWC and even that was pretty vague (nor do they want FCS yet)
No hate to anyone but it is so unfair to every hardworking fcs school that they have to deal with a full on FBS Power 5 caliber team winning 10 out of the last 14 national championships. Keep in mind this team was one drive away from beating Colorado this year (a Power 5 team with the TWO BEST NFL DRAFT PROSPECTS). They would at worst go 6-6 in the Big 12 or MW in year 1. By year 5 theyd be competing for conf. champs. Its so frustrating to see them stay in FCS, no matter what their excuse is
personally i think if ANYTHING all 4 Dakotas and maybe all the Montana and Idaho schools all moving up and just forming their own conference otherwise it'd be a waste of time; as that amt of travel for just NDSU moving up and moving to the PAC is absurd they'd really need a "travel partner or 3"
Yet another relevant video to me (lives in ND). NDSU supposedly turned down Mountain West before they went after NIU & Toledo. They like being a big fish in a small pond, got all of their old D2 rivals no in-conference with UND leaving the Big Sky to make it happen, and don’t necessarily have the NIL $ to compete at FBS. Unless a conference offers over like $20M/season (NIU getting 3 from MW), it likely wouldn’t make sense monetarily. With any slump, people don’t buy tickets at the dome now that they expect to go to Frisco/Nashville every year now. With them finally getting the rivalries, it’s too late to jump. They should’ve bit in 2015-ish when there was some conference demand and the old rivals still weren’t every year games
The MW never was in talks or sent an invitation to ndsu they’re going for fbs schools first ( utep, niu, toledo, texas st, sam houston) and then maybe look into fcs teams (tarleton st)
This is somewhat contrary to the reporting. Before the Pac fell apart, NDSU was lined up to join the MWC to replace SDSU, who was trying to join the PAC then. The NDSU advocates in the MWC are now in the PAC, along with a former head coach who was a public advocate for moving up. After Toledo and NIU initially rebuffed the MWC the MWC and NDSU had further discussions. NDSU wanted full membership, which is a bold ask when you are desperate. Shortly after this the NIU to the MWC talk reignited and they announced soon after. NDSU's adminstration has said publicly they expect to have no major issue elevating their funding to FBS level. They have an FBS NIL program, full cost of attendance and Alstom payments. Their athletics department has a 9 figure endowment. Personally I think they announce on July 1
I honestly think the best case scenario for NDSU is the big ten and sec screwing up the FBS. FCS football is already on the rise but if the top two conferences in the FBS screw it up than the schools at the FCS level might be in a pretty good position to get TV deals and stuff
I do think splitting FBS in two is not a bad idea. When Texas and Texas State are less than 1hr drive apart in the same division but are worlds apart resource wise we got problems.
There’s just no real reason for NDSU to move up to a conference that might end up being way less stable than where they were in the FCS with the Pac 12 not only being desperate for the last couple years, but also with the possibility of the Power 4 or even just the SEC and Big 10 deciding to take their ball and leave.
@@BubbaBrons If 2 to4 of the current Top conferences create a new league it’s going to be important for the other conferences to have enough teams to create buzz throughout the states to create their own fan base and media draw!
NDSU has no issue with funds, as referenced by infrastructure and athletic endowment funding drives. Couple that with NDSU alumni and fans who literally own the Bakken... the sky is the limit. NDSU football is 186-21 since 2011... reason alone NDSU needs to go FBS.
NDSU won’t move to the FBS unless there’s a conference willing to bring in the rest of the ‘Dakota Four’. There’s too much of a connection between the schools,i.e. my Animal Science professor at NDSU had a spouse that worked at UND.
NDSU should stay in FCS. And at this point, I think I'm done with D1 football - FCS included. I think the best thing for WSU & OSU to do is to make a stand against the megaconference pros and drop to D2 or even D3, and encourage other PNW schools to do the same.
Some of the athletic directors would rather die than see their programs go back to the FCS. Is there okay with making more money getting beaten up or going to a bowl game than playing for a national championship.
they could just schedule their out of conference games against FBS schools, as people need to remember what happen to the University of Idaho when they went FBS (which had to come back to the fcs).
Time to end the race to the top. Both Arizona schools in the Big12 doesn't even feel weird, and obviously the right fit for Colorado and Utah. The other 4 idiots in the Big10 are irrelevant to my mind now. Therefore, crazy idea, the Big Sky should make a play at the Mountain West and Oregon State and Wazzu, entice them down with the promise of community and regionalism and so on and so forth. Otherwise, go all in the other way. Pac and MW make plays at everyone, bring up all of the Dakotas, Montanas, Sacramentos, and hell why not Idahos again, two super useless conferences of 12 but at least there's a bit of an identity with mountains and farmers and ruralness, and Sacramento
No, there'll always be smaller schools that recruit local kids to play for them who otherwise don't get noticed by recruiters, and kids that just want to play ball while getting an education. That's what D2 and D3 are for.
@PCSPounder You have a misunderstanding of markets. Teams like Montana and NDSUs market is the entire state. In NDSUs case it's half of Minnesota and has a radio affiliate in Minneapolis and have played 2 home games there. If Media markets matter, why is Chicago State or the Kansas City Kangaroos a power house? Oh because nobody cares about them. Meanwhile NDSU and Montana State drew 2.5 million viewers
The PAC commissioner stated that they are not interested in any FCS school, that is why Texas St. is being mentioned from the Sunbelt. NDSU only hope is MW.
The PAC commissioner also reached an agreement with the MWC over poaching penalties and now wants to renege on it. Those running the conference don't know what they are doing. If Gould and friends did, they wouldn't be where they are.
and to add to the previous; maybe get rid of the "transition rule" especially if teams do like JMU Did and play an Exclusive FBS Schedule on their first season UP; i wonder if you presented these ideas to people in the NCAA Top Brass if they could even Justify(w/o spewing bulls***) why the rules are even in place anyway
Look at Stanford & cal joining acc both teams terrible football & basketball travel kill both school and attendance wave down North Dakota state should stay own conference
They can't really move up to the FBS level because of money reasons. They have to have a conference that's willing to invite them, pay a payout to two different conferences they are affiliated to, add a few more sports due to Title 9, add more scholarships, then pay 5 million to move up to the FBS level, and you would have to bring the other three Dakota schools.
NDSU has no funding issues with athletics. Reference the infrastructure and athletic endowment funding drives... money flew in faster than thought. At $125 million, the endowment covers all of the athletic scholarships. Couple all of this with tapping NDSU alumni and fans who literally own the Bakken.
The PAC 12 wont add NDSU for one reason. And its all Utah's fault. Why? Because the new PAC12 is compromised not just of state schools, but schools either left behind or leaped frog by Utah. People forget that before the PAC12, Utah was in the MW. Now they are in the same conference with Arizona, Colorado, Kansas, West Virginia and TCU. Any FCS schools along with the rest of the MW are beneath them as far as they are concerned. Because in their minds they are no different than Utah athletics. They are wrong to think that but you can tell their fans think so.
Those of us at Youngstown State would love this move. All of our conference opponents are very far away from us in Illinois, North Dakota, South Dakota. Two MAC teams would literally only be an hour drive away.
@@paidtourist6563 NDSU raise $40 million in private money for a new practice facility for football. Money is not the issue. The State of North Dakota has $11.5 Billion investing in funds earning interest and growing principle from oil revs. The state has money.
NDSU media market is the entire state of North Dakota and western Minnesota. NDSU has a radio affiliate in Minneapolis and plays occasional home games there. Drew 35k in 2021.
@ lol. The entirety of North Dakota? Gosh. You mean a network could have a market that is smaller than Colorado Springs or High Point North Carolina? Gosh, put them in the SEC then.
BTW, look up which Mountain West teams had the highest ratings. Hint it's not the largest markets like San Jose.. It's the smallest markets like Wyoming.
NDSU is like a 13-year old playing with 8-year olds, jumping up & down and sticking the ball in everybody's face after every td. Pick on someone your own size. The Bison's team motto: DREAM SMALL
did you even watch the video? it is not a joke, not every program can make the jump. One example, Umass won the FCS/1-aa national title in 1998 and was runner -up in 2006 then got big headed and moved up in 2012, what have they done since? Gone a truly terrible 26-122!
@@SingleatChurch NDSU is nothing like UMASS. NDSU is a blueblood with 17 national championships, its THE program at two seperate divisions, top 25 all time by wins, has ancient roots and a claim to the forward pass. NDSU can't move up because there is nowhere for them to go.
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I’m glad players can earn money for their hard work but I hate what money has done to college sports :(
The revenue producers should see some kickbacks, but the mercenary culture is a mess
It’s always been like this the money was just under the table before
I feel that. Thank you for not acting like players don’t deserve a piece of the pie.
Your point on the budget is incorrect. NDSU is near the top in all FCS categories, so they DON'T have anything to spend it on. Therefore they didn't ask the state for more money. They pay Alston Payments, Full Cost of Attendance, have top 3 FCS coaching salaries and a growing collective. So they grew an athletic endowment to fund 100% of scholarships and built a 50 million dollar IPF with 100% private donors. Also right now, FCS teams can only
fund 63 scholarships and less coaches
The PAC needs an 8th all sports member for the conference to be recognized by the NCAA. It doesn't make sense for them to bring up an FCS school to be a football only member. The best chance for NDSU to move up to FBS as a football only member in a conference is the Mountain West who already have their 8 all sports members. The addition of NIU as a football only member makes NDSU not as much of a geographical outlier anymore.
An 8 team league will not get a good TV deal. You need at least 10 to be competitive and adding a few teams in the central time zone will do wonders for TV ratings. The eastern half of the country is sleeping for a 7pm pacific start because it's 10 kickoff in much of the country
they can have Cal and Stanford back.
@@paschaldobbins8430Cal and Stanford are not going to go to the new PAC. Cal would get rid of its football program before it joined a conference with Boise because Cal and Stanford actually care about academics, and Stanford has enough endowment to go independent.
@@noelramirez1551 We'd just as soon they not be in the ACC.
@@paschaldobbins8430 Not sure what you meant, but, yeah, Cal and Stanford are not joining the new PAC; they would probably join the Ivy League if the ACC disappeared, or, like I said, Stanford would go independent, and Cal would get rid of football until maybe the super league is formed and they'll wait for an invite.
I have no clue why RUclips suggested your video BUT worth the view and your video was spot on. I'm from Texas so seen what it's like seeing these smaller schools move up and straight up struggle for a few seasons. SHSU, UTSA, Texas State just to name a few.
Yeah it took my school 13 years to get 2 bowl wins. Kinney finally got the program on track
For the schools in the smaller northwestern states (Montana/North Dakota/South Dakota) that have been dominating the FCS level lately, it seems like the best options are either to stay in the FCS or jump straight to the Pac 12 for a potential Power 5 spot in the near future. The middle option (Group of 5 spot with the Mountain West) might be too much of a risk with not enough financial reward to make it worth it
The stadium not expanding is a problem since they make so much of their money from tickets sales. But if this was 20 years ago I'd say they should but there is too much money in FBS and if your school doesn't have it or have a bunch of rich donors to supplement it, then don't do it
Here is the thing NDSU is already associated with the Big 12 in wrestling so there is a path there for them to join the Big 12.
It’s amazing how many Bison fans I’ve heard actually believe this is a pathway to the Big 12 for them. Sorry but no. It’s only because, like their friends up in Grand Forks with hockey, there are limited number of schools with wrestling so they the Big 12 makes room for affiliate members. It’s why Oklahoma and Mizzou are still in the Big 12 (no SEC wrestling). Unless you believe there’s a real path for Wyoming, Cal Baptist, Northern Iowa and Utah Valley (also affiliate wrestling members) to ever be in the Big 12 to 😊
@jimmyberg2052 😂 but there is one thing that you don't know I AM AN OKLAHOMA STATE FAN, and I think that having NDSU would enhance the Big 12.
The PAC needs an 8th member & it cannot be an FCS school to meet the NCAA guidelines. An FCS school could possibly be a 9th member but not the eighth. Texas State Is chomping at the bit to be that eighth member. There are a few other FBS schools that have shown interest, but I am guessing if the can't get who they want it will be Texas State out of the Sun Belt Conference. Commissioner Gould is a lot better than her two predecessors. She is keeping the PAC alive. I don't want to hear how the PAC destroyed the MWC because a little over ten year ago the MWC did the same to the WAC.
there is a rule that a transitioning program can be made immediately elligible. It was discussed wrt James Madison during their transition
@@michaelgraalum381 Not certain about that but Texas State would be ahead of any FCS school.
You can't put a woman in charge of an athletic conference, you're doomed to fail. I wouldn't be shocked in the slightest if the PAC goes the way of the dodo in the next few years, they've already lost almost every halfway decent team they had.
@@joehill800 Wow, seriously. You are dumber than dog $h!t. Check her back ground in sports, from grade school on up. Check out her back ground. She grew up on a hog farm in Iowa, doing chores on the farm and playing sports. She even played boys sports, her father fought to get her into some boy sports as well & she excelled. She knows more about sports than you do. I would bet on that. She played college sports as well. Move into the 21st century cave boy.
Report is Texas state is close to finishing the deal.
Why stop being the Alabama of the FCS just so you could be…you know…North Dakota State of the FBS?
When people in the Midwest look at NDSU, the obvious comparison is Boise State. Big city school in a rural area surrounded by states with no g-5 programs for a 500+ miles in any direction, and has vast areas that it alone recruits. The upper midwest, including Illinois, has the population of Texas and is a better recruiting area for offensive linemen, which is really what determines whether your program is good or not. It is hard to not be good there. If anything, NDSU's position has a higher ceiling than Boise. People in Fargo want to go because they think they can contend for the playoff, and are correct in this thinking. Some NDSU fans actually oppose moving to the MWC because they think it will be a competitive downgrade as currently composed.
Also, regarding your initial point, NCAA bylaws allow the NCAA to give worthy schools immediate eligibility, this was an issue with JMU as well when they were trending toward being undefeated. NDSU has such an obvious case on this one that they might even be able to get a court to impose it if they tried.
NDSU Alum here (Class of 2020), this video was extremely informative. We are built on building a championship product. This program has climbed the ranks at every level it has played and won championships at EVERY level (D2 and FCS). It has and will always find a way to fight its way to the top or at least compete at the top. If given the G5 funding either in the Pac12 or MW NDSU will over 5-10 years win multiple conference championships. It would allow them to recruit even better players to an already established developmental program, going into States like Texas, AZ & Cal adding to its already established states of GA,FL. I would love a chance to watch you make a reverse of this video and say “My Case for NDSU to move up”
The knowledge you have blows my mind on sports. I've been wanting football more lately since watching your videos. I haven't honestly gotten into football since the early to mid 90s lol I've forgotten how fun watching a game is. Team sports compared to something like MMA? Is a difference that's more welcomed. Fantastic video Touchback as always
Seeing you with Japanese pro wrestling magazines made me subscribe! Good video
Naysayer….same arguments about “potential failure” that was said when people advised against moving from DIi to FCS…looked out those arguments panned out after 10 national FCS championships.
Yeah but its a much bigger reach to move from FCS to FBS than it is to move from D2 to FCS. Ask Texas State how that went it took 12 to get to a bowl game and 13 to get 2 bowl wins.
@@Denozo88depends on the program schools like app st, ga southern, jmu even Sam Houston st have moved up and made bowl games pretty fast especially app st so it honestly depends on the program but yea it’s a much bigger and harder jump from FCS to FBS as it should be
One part of NDSU moving up nobody talks about is actual school size which has something to do with long term viability of the program. NDSU enrollment is about 12 to 14 thousand and Boise St. 26 thousand. Recent FCS to FBS schools to FBS like James Madison and Sam Houston were also 25 k.
I don't even watch college ball and I watched this whole thint, enjoying it.
The new setup looks fantastic.
It should be noted that NDSU didn't even join FCS until 20 years ago. Part of me feels they actually should go to FBS even if they don't want to as it would test themselves at a new level and create the opportunity for new schools to step up at the FCS level.
As a UNLV fan, Im hoping NDSU joins the Mountain West. Then SDSU and both Montanas can look at going FBS
Tarleton st should be our first choice if they’re trying to get an fcs school
Sadly though only realistic option for NDSU moving up would be moving SDSU and the two Montana schools as well.
There has never been a better time for Sdak NDSU, MSU and Montana to move up. The pac12 needs more life in the conference than just boise and those additions would give the conf a bit of credibility considering how well those schools have played against P4 schools in non conference
The pac would never do that
how delusional , however weaker pac 12 has become your team is community college level academically
I agree that moving up in competition is not worth if the players and community are happy all ready!
Fans are bored, not happy. We have a 38-1 home playoff record and most games are over at halftime. The whole season boils down to a few regular season games and a semifinal in the playoffs. We crave some better competition
@@DavidAnderson-q8z amen
Congratulations on being the champion of weenie hut jr.
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If the majority of fans rather have closer games even if that means more losses than it would be worth moving to FBS.
And As Always GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO VANDALLLSSS You Going to be at the basketball Double Header on Saturday?
You hit the nail on the head with explaining where NDSU is at in terms of deciding its future. I disagree that the Pac-12 is considering NDSU or any other FCS program because that doesn't fit their strategy nor does it work when they have until 2026 to get eight full members. It's much more likely that the Mountain West or CUSA will do that, but I don't believe moving up is worth it for the Bison. There are few programs in all college football history that are even remotely as successful as they are and that shouldn't be taken for granted. NDSU fans are used to winning, taking annual trips down to Frisco, and seeing the Bison win it all. Realistically, what do they have to gain by moving up? The same issues of money, stadium size, and small state population also apply to the Montana schools. I think all three should stay where they're at and it seems like the institutions feel comfortable remaining elite FCS programs as opposed to mediocre FBS teams
As a PAC-12 fan I want Idaho and one of the Montana schools, but if we're taking NDSU take a SD school as well.
I appreciate you discussing this matter but pretty sure you have a few things wrong and are making alot of assumptions. John Wilner has reported that the Pac-12 is not looking to add any FCS teams. Pac-12 right now is in media right negotiations and shopping around with escalators for Memphis or Tulane. If those schools decide its not the right time to move it’s also been reported and confirmed that Texas State has been in deep talks with the Pac-12 and could be the 12th team.
The Pac-12 has to add an already FBS member to be viable due to NCAA statutes. NDSU would not count. Additionally, NDSU lacks market potential due to its relative remoteness as well as small population size.
The only thing NDSU adds is immediately competitive football but a former NDSU coach just took a job at Fresno State if you want to look at the current hierarchy.
@@devanwilliams1127 they don’t even offer immediately competitive football. They don’t have a NIL collective the athletic department budget is much smaller, and while ticket prices are high the ticket revenue is low. As soon as they jumped, the transfer portal would fill with all their best players immediately
The Pac-12 hasn't been doing anything for years now, and it is why the conference is in the dire situation it's in today. Shopping TV rights with hypothetical members is like me trying to sell my house while telling potential buyers maybe I am going to build a few extra rooms and a swimming pool. In other words, nerf ball.
The Pac-12 really doesn't want Texas State because it is Texas State. I mean, this deal should have been done yesterday if the conference was serious. But they keep holding out hope that someone, anyone else will want to join them. And if that doesn't work, pray the poaching fees are dismissed and take more swings at MWC schools. That's not a plan. That's a prayer.
And as I discussed in the video, NCAA rules aren't worth the paper they are written on. Just say the word "lawsuit" and things change. See JUCO eligibility.
@ oh OK! “The touchback” has media right negotiation expertise. Noted. Let me go ahead and get your number over to several of the commissioners to help them.
@@thetouchback I think you are downplaying the unique situation the Pac-12 is an. Even when the American formed it was composed of teams from a newly defunct Big East. We are talking about a conference that was near collapse and is not rebuilding was a base of just 2 teams. But shopping around with escalators isn’t even unique and the Big 12 did that with their last media deal and guaranteed a certain payout for any P5 team that was added (AKA the four corners).
Texas State rejected the MWC offer because they knew they had a punchers chance with the Pac-12. The Big Mountain Pod spoke yesterday that they have sources that their is deep negotiations right now with Texas State. I’ve heard from other sources that they could be a travel parter with Memphis if the Pac-12 offers to buyout a majority of Memphis’s AAC GOR.
Negotiations for a TV deal just started right before Thanksgiving when they secured Octagon as a consultant. I think $10-12M is very much still in range as it’s a less competitive media rights window and more players in it like the CW. Let’s see how it plays out.
@@DocSkirv At this point, if the bar is destroying a great conference and then being outfoxed by the MWC when trying to rebuild it, I'm certain I, or just about anyone else with a pulse and a lick of common sense, could do a better job.
Why do I get a sneaking suspicion that the IP of your RUclips account would be traced back to San Ramon?
Not really sure why you’re attaching them to the PAC-12. The PAC is showing no interest in FCS programs and will keep going for established FBS brands. The only FBS conference attached at all to NDSU was the MWC and even that was pretty vague (nor do they want FCS yet)
No hate to anyone but it is so unfair to every hardworking fcs school that they have to deal with a full on FBS Power 5 caliber team winning 10 out of the last 14 national championships. Keep in mind this team was one drive away from beating Colorado this year (a Power 5 team with the TWO BEST NFL DRAFT PROSPECTS). They would at worst go 6-6 in the Big 12 or MW in year 1. By year 5 theyd be competing for conf. champs. Its so frustrating to see them stay in FCS, no matter what their excuse is
NDSU's AD said that the mkney wouldn't be an issue if NDSU moved up. They just need an invite
All FBS know they're in a battle when they play a team from the Dacotas.
personally i think if ANYTHING all 4 Dakotas and maybe all the Montana and Idaho schools all moving up and just forming their own conference otherwise it'd be a waste of time; as that amt of travel for just NDSU moving up and moving to the PAC is absurd they'd really need a "travel partner or 3"
NDSU is football only until they get their basketball consistant again.
The PAC-12 announced that they will not invite any FCS members. The PAC-12 cannot wait 2 seasons for transition.
Yet another relevant video to me (lives in ND). NDSU supposedly turned down Mountain West before they went after NIU & Toledo. They like being a big fish in a small pond, got all of their old D2 rivals no in-conference with UND leaving the Big Sky to make it happen, and don’t necessarily have the NIL $ to compete at FBS. Unless a conference offers over like $20M/season (NIU getting 3 from MW), it likely wouldn’t make sense monetarily. With any slump, people don’t buy tickets at the dome now that they expect to go to Frisco/Nashville every year now. With them finally getting the rivalries, it’s too late to jump. They should’ve bit in 2015-ish when there was some conference demand and the old rivals still weren’t every year games
Also, pronunciation is “bizon”. Quasi-French pronunciation because they stole it from the U of Manitoba
The MW never was in talks or sent an invitation to ndsu they’re going for fbs schools first ( utep, niu, toledo, texas st, sam houston) and then maybe look into fcs teams (tarleton st)
That's false. NDSU has never been offered an invite from the Mountain West ever.
This is somewhat contrary to the reporting. Before the Pac fell apart, NDSU was lined up to join the MWC to replace SDSU, who was trying to join the PAC then. The NDSU advocates in the MWC are now in the PAC, along with a former head coach who was a public advocate for moving up. After Toledo and NIU initially rebuffed the MWC the MWC and NDSU had further discussions. NDSU wanted full membership, which is a bold ask when you are desperate. Shortly after this the NIU to the MWC talk reignited and they announced soon after.
NDSU's adminstration has said publicly they expect to have no major issue elevating their funding to FBS level. They have an FBS NIL program, full cost of attendance and Alstom payments. Their athletics department has a 9 figure endowment. Personally I think they announce on July 1
@ they were never offered because SDSU never left until the whoel confreence blew up.
This is why a G5 playoff is a good idea
NDSU AD said they are ready to spend 40-43 million a year when they move up.
I honestly think the best case scenario for NDSU is the big ten and sec screwing up the FBS. FCS football is already on the rise but if the top two conferences in the FBS screw it up than the schools at the FCS level might be in a pretty good position to get TV deals and stuff
I do think splitting FBS in two is not a bad idea. When Texas and Texas State are less than 1hr drive apart in the same division but are worlds apart resource wise we got problems.
Sam Houston and James Madison did it successfully
There’s just no real reason for NDSU to move up to a conference that might end up being way less stable than where they were in the FCS with the Pac 12 not only being desperate for the last couple years, but also with the possibility of the Power 4 or even just the SEC and Big 10 deciding to take their ball and leave.
@@BubbaBrons
If 2 to4 of the current
Top conferences create a new league it’s going to be important for the other conferences to have enough teams to create buzz throughout the states to create their own fan base and media draw!
It's not going to be the PAC. Why bother with an FCS Rasputin? They'll be on the MWC list if and when UNLV leaves
UNLV would only leave for an invitation to a p4 conference. The big 12 might come knocking soon lol
Wasn't really receptive to your argument until you cut in to Cinderella's "Don't Know What You Got Til It's Gone."
They would still be really good in the MAC and would fit in well.
also while i'm at it it's RIDICULOUS that you have to pay $5M to move up a division, that really needs to be looked at and potentially repealed
NDSU has no issue with funds, as referenced by infrastructure and athletic endowment funding drives. Couple that with NDSU alumni and fans who literally own the Bakken... the sky is the limit.
NDSU football is 186-21 since 2011... reason alone NDSU needs to go FBS.
Here’s your case: Nebraska.
What’s the point of more money if you don’t win anymore ?
NDSU won’t move to the FBS unless there’s a conference willing to bring in the rest of the ‘Dakota Four’. There’s too much of a connection between the schools,i.e. my Animal Science professor at NDSU had a spouse that worked at UND.
NDSU should stay in FCS.
And at this point, I think I'm done with D1 football - FCS included. I think the best thing for WSU & OSU to do is to make a stand against the megaconference pros and drop to D2 or even D3, and encourage other PNW schools to do the same.
Great video. I think 10 to 16 FBS programs need to go to FCS. I would rather hear about NDSU expanding their exposure and stay in FCS.
So many trash football programs are in big media markets, so they should move down to the FCS but won't just because of the media market size.
Some of the athletic directors would rather die than see their programs go back to the FCS. Is there okay with making more money getting beaten up or going to a bowl game than playing for a national championship.
The case against this entire video
they could just schedule their out of conference games against FBS schools, as people need to remember what happen to the University of Idaho when they went FBS (which had to come back to the fcs).
who would want to schedule NDSU and risk the black mark of a loss, though?
Time to end the race to the top. Both Arizona schools in the Big12 doesn't even feel weird, and obviously the right fit for Colorado and Utah. The other 4 idiots in the Big10 are irrelevant to my mind now. Therefore, crazy idea, the Big Sky should make a play at the Mountain West and Oregon State and Wazzu, entice them down with the promise of community and regionalism and so on and so forth.
Otherwise, go all in the other way. Pac and MW make plays at everyone, bring up all of the Dakotas, Montanas, Sacramentos, and hell why not Idahos again, two super useless conferences of 12 but at least there's a bit of an identity with mountains and farmers and ruralness, and Sacramento
I think eventually with the way NIL and transfer portal has been lately, the FCS, D2, D3, and NAIA levels will be nonexistent in the next 5-10 years.
No, there'll always be smaller schools that recruit local kids to play for them who otherwise don't get noticed by recruiters, and kids that just want to play ball while getting an education. That's what D2 and D3 are for.
I wonder how the N.I.L. would affect n.d.s.
NDSU has a very strong collective and it is growing. We had players turn down some big time offers.
NDSU kept 100% of their returning roster so far. Because of strong culture and NIL collective
Yeah.. if you move up and start going 9 - 6 and end up in the Irrelevant Bowl, you are going to start bleeding revenue. 🤷🏻♂️
If NSDU move it'll be to the MW imo, also SEC are unbeaten in hypothetical games lol.
It's pronounced BIZEN.
I'd like see ND st play The other ND.
Montana and Montana State look like good additions to the PAC-12
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No they don’t. The overall market is a bit small for the PAC’s target income.
@ It gives them the state of Montana. Better than Utah State. Utah and BYU own that state.
@ A state that boasts just passing the population of Rhode Island. Split between the two schools, that adds no value.
Better fit for the MWC.
@PCSPounder You have a misunderstanding of markets. Teams like Montana and NDSUs market is the entire state. In NDSUs case it's half of Minnesota and has a radio affiliate in Minneapolis and have played 2 home games there. If Media markets matter, why is Chicago State or the Kansas City Kangaroos a power house? Oh because nobody cares about them. Meanwhile NDSU and Montana State drew 2.5 million viewers
The PAC commissioner stated that they are not interested in any FCS school, that is why Texas St. is being mentioned from the Sunbelt. NDSU only hope is MW.
The PAC commissioner also reached an agreement with the MWC over poaching penalties and now wants to renege on it. Those running the conference don't know what they are doing. If Gould and friends did, they wouldn't be where they are.
and to add to the previous; maybe get rid of the "transition rule" especially if teams do like JMU Did and play an Exclusive FBS Schedule on their first season UP; i wonder if you presented these ideas to people in the NCAA Top Brass if they could even Justify(w/o spewing bulls***) why the rules are even in place anyway
Look at Stanford & cal joining acc both teams terrible football & basketball travel kill both school and attendance wave down North Dakota state should stay own conference
They can't really move up to the FBS level because of money reasons. They have to have a conference that's willing to invite them, pay a payout to two different conferences they are affiliated to, add a few more sports due to Title 9, add more scholarships, then pay 5 million to move up to the FBS level, and you would have to bring the other three Dakota schools.
NDSU has no funding issues with athletics. Reference the infrastructure and athletic endowment funding drives... money flew in faster than thought. At $125 million, the endowment covers all of the athletic scholarships.
Couple all of this with tapping NDSU alumni and fans who literally own the Bakken.
The PAC 12 wont add NDSU for one reason. And its all Utah's fault. Why? Because the new PAC12 is compromised not just of state schools, but schools either left behind or leaped frog by Utah. People forget that before the PAC12, Utah was in the MW. Now they are in the same conference with Arizona, Colorado, Kansas, West Virginia and TCU. Any FCS schools along with the rest of the MW are beneath them as far as they are concerned. Because in their minds they are no different than Utah athletics. They are wrong to think that but you can tell their fans think so.
As a Texas fan, I'm tired of the SEC Commissioner
We should be talking about forcing the MAC and C-USA into fcs...where they belong. That would give the MVFC and Big Sky some competition.
Those of us at Youngstown State would love this move. All of our conference opponents are very far away from us in Illinois, North Dakota, South Dakota. Two MAC teams would literally only be an hour drive away.
NDSU has oil money
I don't think NDSU sees the kind of money from the state that the state could pour into NDSU if it wanted to
@@paidtourist6563 NDSU raise $40 million in private money for a new practice facility for football. Money is not the issue. The State of North Dakota has $11.5 Billion investing in funds earning interest and growing principle from oil revs. The state has money.
Oh, and yeah, media market means EVERYTHING.
NDSU media market is the entire state of North Dakota and western Minnesota. NDSU has a radio affiliate in Minneapolis and plays occasional home games there. Drew 35k in 2021.
@ lol. The entirety of North Dakota? Gosh. You mean a network could have a market that is smaller than Colorado Springs or High Point North Carolina? Gosh, put them in the SEC then.
@@DocSkirvBoise is the 98th largest market. Fargo Moorhead is the 113th largest market , and that's just the local TV market, not the entire state.
@ lol, OK then! I guess we will watch the big leagues beat down the door for Fargo tv market! My god, how did the SEC not see this before?
BTW, look up which Mountain West teams had the highest ratings. Hint it's not the largest markets like San Jose.. It's the smallest markets like Wyoming.
NDSU is like a 13-year old playing with 8-year olds, jumping up & down and sticking the ball in everybody's face after every td. Pick on someone your own size. The Bison's team motto: DREAM SMALL
North Dakota State has many hurdles that they have to go through before either thinking about joining the FBS.
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NDSU is such a joke, honestly just embarrassing they haven’t moved up
did you even watch the video? it is not a joke, not every program can make the jump. One example, Umass won the FCS/1-aa national title in 1998 and was runner -up in 2006 then got big headed and moved up in 2012, what have they done since? Gone a truly terrible 26-122!
NDSU needs an invite in order to move up. So technically the FBS conferences are a joke for not inviting NDSU
@@SingleatChurch NDSU is nothing like UMASS. NDSU is a blueblood with 17 national championships, its THE program at two seperate divisions, top 25 all time by wins, has ancient roots and a claim to the forward pass.
NDSU can't move up because there is nowhere for them to go.
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