Links: gamefromscratch.com/choosing-a-laptop-for-game-development-in-2021/ What I bought [Amazon]: amzn.to/3v9zE4p What I recommend if you want to save money[Amazon]: amzn.to/36N2qyy Both the above are rock solid choices. The Amazon links pay GFS a small commission if used. There is no way to buy directly from Asus... no idea why.
I really appreciate this video from such a reliable creator. The first thing anyone will say in any forum is "no, just use a desktop" and obliterate the discussion.
I have a Lenovo 5 (Ryzen 5800H, 16GB DDR4, RTX 3060 and 2TB of M.2) and it's great however the battery life and general heft of the machine leavea some things to be desired. I'm thinking about getting a 16" Macbook Pro as well since it excells in areas where the Lenovo does not (and vice versa). Namely the battery life being vastly superior on the Macbook, and portability being much better as well (and no 2kg proprietary power supply). With both of these, I can completely replace my stationary gaming PC with a completely portable setup, which can easily be converted / docked at my desk into my monitors for a hybrid setup. (And yes I develop for both MacOS and Windows, so having both is ideal. I currently have a Macbook Air which is fine for everyday computing but has very poor performance for game development)
Dude, publishing this video just 2 days after I bought mine (still waiting for the laptop to arrive) is pure evil 😭. All good though, seems like I covered my bases pretty well from watching the video 😅. I did watch the 2021 recommendation video. Ended up going with the Asus Rog Strix Scar 15. The 3070ti variant with i9-12900h. Only gripe I had with it was that it only has 16gb DDR5 ram. But Raz from discord pointed out 16gb would be enough for now, for small and medium size projects. And I can always upgrade it later on when it's necessary.
The Strix is a solid choice, it's a very similar machine, just a bit bigger and a little more flashy. So long as the RAM isn't soldered on, you can upgrade whenever and you're good to go. A quick Google says the Strix has two RAM slots, so you should be good to go. Doing RAM upgrades is generally trivial. It's a more important decision if like the Zeph machines one RAM is soldered in.
You did good. Asus has a good record of reliability. HP on the other hand I bought a Omen 15-En a year ago. Keyboard broke and I had to send it to warranty twice before they would fix it. Also has poor thermals, probably due to very poor thermal paste and thermal pads on the memory chips. I still have to open it to fix it. So yeah, never buy HP. Buy anything else but HP.
I am VERY anti HP. Of the major brands that make a gaming system, they are the only one I wont even consider. They just seem to always fall on their face somewhere and their support when I had issues with a previous machine was infuriating. Which is a shame, as some Omen machines can be damned sexy and have excellent paper specs (although they almost always do something stupid, like shipping with way too little ram).
My 2016 HP Omen (i7 17" UHD GTX1070, 16 GB Ram, 8 Gb VRAM, 512 Gb NVMe) still runs good till this day (the IPS screen colors are gorgeous), can be cooler-noisy when gaming or running the UE 5. But there's a big BUT - it's now a desktop, as the batteries were all getting swollen fast (had to change them several times and finally gave up and removed the battery and since then just work plugged-in all the time). Another thing - the chassis plastic case parts already cracked in a few places, now being held together by the gaffer's tape :))) (it didn't fall and was used mostly in home environment, so it's just the cheap aging plastic issue). The US HP support was good in 2017 or 2018, but after that it seems to have gotten outsourced to the third countries and went drastically downhill. Last year I started using and additional external cooler from Klim (the copper-body one that sucks the hot air OUT of the chassis), seems to help a bit. Also, for better cooling it helps to raise the laptop above the desk (an inch gap will work). More recent laptops from HP have a terribly irritating issue of the led keyboard backlight auto-off after ~15 sec of inactivity, which is awful for eyes when working at night time, and you can't disable that feature. That alone is unacceptable. The support was just ignorant on that issue. But my old 2016 Omen, however doesn't do this and the led keyboard stays on as long as I want it to (and I keep it always on even during the day as it's still better that way).
I bought a asus rog zephyrus 15 on sale from best buy a few months ago. I'm happy with it so far. I haven't started game development yet just gaming. I can't wait to start creating games.
I bought razer blade 15 with gtx 1660 ti. The thing with battery happened after 1 year. Because of corono razer was not able to get battey replacemepnt so they just gave me 3060 model for free. Hoping for free upgrade this year
I recently bought a gaming laptop, i kind of wish i got the g15 (2021) but i think the g14 (2021) was better for what i wanted. it's light weight, powerful, and most of all i got it for 1k. even then i found that the thermals was an issue and i disabled turbo boost, and now i laptop doesn't go over 75 degrees which makes me a happy camper. Overall the battery is great and thermals are way down with minimal performance lost in games that I play. can't wait to try development on it.
I'm a lucky guy, I bought zephyrus duo, ryzen 9, 32Gb, 2Tb, RTX3080 for only €1799.. they sold it online but they used the wrong price (should have been around €3799. It's the best laptop ever for (game) development and music production.
8:21 chart is misleading, a mux switch may use some power but it is a fraction of gpu/cpu uses, not a x2 power drain. I think it comes from usage of integrated gpu inside the cpu. Use right hardware for the right time with [Nvidia control panel / Amd adrenaline]. Playing games? Gpu, just coding and reading a debug log? iGpu etc. I'm thinking of buying Asus Rog Flow x13 (2022 edition) for myself. Ultra small with best cpu on the market (I'm a coder), near xbox s grade iGpu and 3050ti if you need more juice than that (also you can use DLSS 2.0 with it). When you really need the firepower you can use XG mobile which packs 3080 ti mobile but that's probably will sit in the office, hooked to the monitors and such. I don't suggest buying it unless you want something unique and willing to pay extra for it. Me being a pc lover but still need to get something mobile, this is the iron I can happily use.
I got the same with a 3070, battery life isn't great (4ish hours). Things that sold it, number pad and full sized arrow keys and a really nice keyboard.
I feel like game development laptops are pretty similar in terms of needs to gaming laptops. Differences would be slightly less emphasis on GPU and slightly more on CPU, RAM, and storage (speed + capacity). But in general any good gaming laptop is likely to be a good game development laptop.
Pretty much true. 90% of gaming laptops would be good game development laptops. As you said, increased (or atleast upgradability) RAM and a fast CPU are two key areas where game development differs from just gaming.
I have i7-9750h 2.6Ghz 6core,16gb Ram, GeForce 1660 6GB, 2TB SSD, running new Games on medium/high settings, no problems with Blender and Unity what so ever. Plus I can take the battery out. Only weakness is battery (2hours tops) + using it with another Monitor for Visual studio or Euro Truck Simulator :D. you can get laptop like this probably under 1000 now. Planning getting new one maybe next year or later on with 8 core processor,32gb ram and 8GB graphics card of course but for now everything runs great!
My laptop costed $128. I went to computer store, asked for the cheapest laptop and told them to give me THAT one and it does everything I need whether it's game development, gaming, streaming, etc. And this is the way that I have always bought my laptop(s).
I am trying to find a laptop with similar specs as the g16 you are describing, but I need a touchscreen for sculpting in Zbrush. I would like to avoid a drawing pad. I will primarily use UE5, Maya, Substance, PS, and Zbrush. Any suggestions?
i think I will buy the m16 2022 now .for the short battery life I probably will use protable power bank 20,000 mah since I already have multiple powerbank . thanks for your review it really help me with the G15 vs M16 because damn it really was hard for me to pick 😅
hey, how about the top spec premium laptop segment? like XPS 17 9720 with the RTX 3060 and 12th gen Intel processors, or Macbook pro 16 with M1 Max, aren’t they more convenient for development with sufficient performance?
Should I go for Asus TuF F15 with I7 12700h and a 3050ti for unreal engine? I am new and I will be learning it and probably want the laptop to last atleast 5 years.
This is untrue actually. We are going to see 40XX GPUs late this year to early next year (assuming chip shortages dont remain). EVERY single year, the mobile chip has lagged the desktop chip by at least a year. So the next GPU series is basically 2 years out for laptops. For CPUs, there is no massive generational shift in the pipeline, just incremental improvements. Otherwise, there is always something new and shiny on the horizon. But in terms of buying a machine with the future in mind, right now is a great time to buy. Another thing to keep in mind is the 40 series of GPUs are said to be HOT, very HOT. This is not going to be ideal in the mobile space either.
@@gamefromscratch CPU will, on the AMD side, feature many new technologies. GIYF. Intel will release their GPU. For the Nvidia GPU, Q3 and EOY, to know if they are worth the wait. If one is not 12, he should be able to wait to get at least 50% better performance over current generation. Also, i don't think they will try to cram a full fat 600W GPU in a laptop. In general don't buy/suggest gaming laptops for gamedev, better to invest in a professional line
There hasn't been a 50% year over year improvement in performance in over a decade. Each generation (1080-2080-3080) has been about 25% faster than the comparable previous generations. Similar numbers hold true for GPUs, although true is, each year those gains are getting smaller and smaller in that regard as well. As the Intel Arc GPUs, I certainly wouldn't consider being an early adopter there. Intel has promised the world on the mobile side several times already and ... meh.
@@gamefromscratch what are you talking about? Go check the hardware unboxed review of the 3080: 51-83% faster in 4k than the 2080 depending on the title. Please check some actual articles and videos about the topic you pick. I understand you have to chase the algorithm, but you end up influencing young people with limited budget, then you retract your advices few months later just because you can afford to switch. Regarding Intel you don't know how they will shape the market (read lower prices) or what they will offer to consumers, so another reason to wait. Regarding the CPUs, they are not as fundamental for game dev, we are already in a good spot, and the early looks at AMD look promising. Again, if you decided to change now good for you but try to keep in mind the interest of your viewers, which is in my understanding: better value game dev tools.
I bought omen 16 with rtx 3070, rayzen 7 5800 , 1TB ssd and 32 gb ram. But I just can't render 360 vr videos in UE5. If I wann to get 8k Quality it takes long time to even begin rendering
what I dont really like from rog series is the keyboard and trackpad are fingerprint magnets. It is really hard to look for gaming laptop which has serious design, good quality build and not fingerprint magnet.
I just saw the acer concept D Line... Goddamm! And they are announcing on the acer Brazil store! I must start harvesting some kidneys to be able to afford one.
Unfortunately loud fans and poor battery life are pretty much unavoidable when buying a gaming laptop. I have a Lenovo Legion and with the GPU running I'm lucky to get 45 mins out of a full charge. When I'm playing an intensive game and the fans are running full whack I have to wear headphones or it would drive me crazy.
I like how explain in details about the game development laptops an like the recommendation,I would definitely purchase that but can't afford it, so can u please strongly recommend something cheaper
Ah Mike shoulda went with that Eurocom X15 that just released a few weeks ago. Desktop alderlake CPU (12600 up to 12900) with a 3070 Ti, it's about 500 dollars cheaper before tax than your pick and you have an upgrade path since the CPU is socketed. You'd at least be able to extend out the lifetime between purchases into Raptor Lake.
I was actually going to mention this in the video (and think I mentioned it in the guide), but there are a ton of European laptop manufacturers, including Eurocom and Sager, that simply aren't available here, or they are rebadged under questionable brands by companies you've never heard of.
@@gamefromscratch Yeah, they're a boutique seller like XoticPC so they really only cater to enterprise/high class customers. They're quite a small operation but the support is 10/10 and they can save you quite a bit interfacing directly. They even have a 10% student discount if you're currently enrolled and can show it. I'm a U.S. citizen so I don't pay any taxes so that saves considerably on top of it. There's tons of these smaller boutique sellers like Origin, LPC Digital, Sager Notebooks.
I honestly think I was fair and on the nose with my M1 MBP review. For power per watt (aka, battery life), it literally is the ultimate machine. For video encoding, again, the ultimate machine. For general purpose game development... buy a PC.
Yeah, granted I didn't buy that machine for game development personally, I bought it to edit videos at starbucks... something I literally do at least once a day. My use case isn't exactly typical. Ironically I haven't been to a Starbucks since the plague hit.
@@gamefromscratch love your reviews. I'm going for a Macbook pro for game dev. Your MB reviews highlighted how quiet it was, lower power consumption (especially as energy prices skyrocket) and 14" portability. Looking forward to more reviews.
Btw, one thing I'm noticing across your videos is how loud your voice is over your mic vs other apps I can listen to at the same volume. I suggest using compression to soften up the highs and bring up the lows a bit. It doesn't have to be stellar quality, but it's hard to listen to over time as it is.
Mike: "Do you hear that, do you?" 😒 Me: * *Upping my sound to actually hear it* * 🤨 * *Meanwhile my brothers PC when playing a intense game BRRRROOOOOMMM!!!!!* * 😅
For one, unless you really have to, this is why you don't develop on a laptop. They run too hot for game development and game art with no real way to cool them, at least without an external GPU setup. I also agree that Razer support is trash in my experience.
buy from a company that specializes in making laptops -_-. dont get a GAMerrRR laptop. get a multimedia/designer/normal one with appropriate stats....then trust the reliability of the company to make it last for years upon years. hard enough to trust razer with making mice, let alone a whole computer.
I have a 2021 MacBook Pro with the 24Core GPU and I very much like the machine. I covered it in this video: ruclips.net/video/EBt54KYSCEY/видео.html It's a good solid choice as long as you stay in that ecosytem and your software runs on it. Where the MBP is absolutely in a league of it's own is the performance per watt. Being able to do game engine work, 3d modelling or video editing on battery with no real lose in performance is amazing. But... Unreal is certainly a subset compared to on PC, especially Unreal Engine 5. There are a decent number of engines that don't run on Mac. Additionally, I found command line development irritating as hell, due to a lot fo dependencies not supporting M1 processors yet. The M1 also hurts on the virtualization front, with Parallels only supporting the ARM versions of Windows 11 and no ability to Bootcamp anymore. So long as you are working entirely in a M1 Mac compatible ecosystem... say Unity or Godot Engine + Blender/Maya and Adobe image suite, you're good to go. If you want to do Unreal Engine development, it runs fine but is missing a decent amount of features.
The modeling tools were certainly missing for me when I first checked. The big missing features though are Lumen and Nanite, although you also run into a TON of content from the store that is Windows only. The recent City example (gamefromscratch.com/unreal-engine-5-matrix-city-scene-demo-hands-on/) doesn't run on Mac for example. The new FPS sample was said to, but It didn't work either, at least when it was released.
@@gamefromscratch I don't do ue5, so I can''t speak to that. I use Unity for my job, but even that is misleading since 90% of my work is literally spent in a text editor writing code. So I don't really need to worry about the engine itself sapping my resources. So, as a machine on which I spend most of my time typing, I've never found anything better.
I would absolutely LOVE to see a version of Blender for iOS, that would fill a huge blank in my iPad workflow. Nomad Sculpt is very nice, but there is certainly a need for a low polygon modelling tool.
I agree in regards to keyboard, the MacBook really does have one of the best keyboards out there. Obviously though, people have different tastes in keyboards. The M16 actually has a really nice keyboard too, nice big keys, good travel... they're clicky though, some people love that, some hate.
I can't believe people like using laptops for game dev. I couldn't live without at least my triple monitor setup. I wish I had money for one of those fancy ultra wide monitors. 😆
In the age of Thunderbolt, you can easily do 3+ displays (plus the built in display) using a laptop if you want. I just used a single 32" external display personally and it's fine for me. Much more and I find my eyes/neck get tired by days end. That or one or two of the displays become pretty much unused.
I recommend Acer. I have a Helios 300 2020 laptop and it hasn't not chugged on games dev or game play. The only time I've had a hard problem with running anything is with the Matrix City Sample, and that's it. Be warned, I did have to send in my laptop due to the fan whirring noise which is a known issue.
I use a laptop (Dell Precision 7530 with a Quadro P1000) for gaming development (and a little playing) right now. Not great performance and I can't play anything really new (Elder Ring) at high res, but I can play Conan Exiles and things like that on what I have. Unreal 5 "games" (well demos) are horrible and I can barely use the editor (and can't use nanites) so need something better. The laptops are interesting but I think I'm going for a desktop so I can use an external GPU (and upgrade it in the future). The display isn't that important to me because I keep the my laptop closed and use an external 29" display (along with 2 other 27" ones). Not really sure a laptop (even with a good GPU) will really handle UE5 for me.
Razer has gone down into the shitter with their QC of their products. Found out recently that Razer was sold to a Chinese tycoon in 2005. So yeah, expect Chinese quality garbage from Razer now
It's so odd with Razer... they do use top tier components and have some of the finest build quality you will find this side of the MacBooks... perhaps beyond that. But unlike the premium you pay for an Apple product and shiny case... with Razer the support is ass-tier and as you say, the quality control is certainly iffy. I do not think they had a leadership change though, still run out of Singapore I believe.
@@gamefromscratch I had buy a eGPU from Razer for my Framework laptop, but it was DOA. It turned on and the fans spun, but the power supply was a no-name brand and after getting some help from the eGPU subreddit, they said it was a dead power supply (which is EXTREMELY common with Razer eGPUs)
I had an absolute nightmare with Razer. Their tech support was shocking. We got there in the end. My power supply was faulty out of box. I will be very careful who I buy a gaming laptop from next. I wish I had read trustedreviews for Razer before making my purchase. On a side note, I will never buy from HP either. It took 6 weeks for me to return a VR headset and get my money back. Tech support failure again.
Instead of using a powerful laptop. How about using your home PC as a RDP server. Forward your RDP ports. Boom. You're using your powerhouse PC anywhere in the world using your budget laptop of choice
Links:
gamefromscratch.com/choosing-a-laptop-for-game-development-in-2021/
What I bought [Amazon]:
amzn.to/3v9zE4p
What I recommend if you want to save money[Amazon]:
amzn.to/36N2qyy
Both the above are rock solid choices. The Amazon links pay GFS a small commission if used. There is no way to buy directly from Asus... no idea why.
I really appreciate this video from such a reliable creator.
The first thing anyone will say in any forum is "no, just use a desktop" and obliterate the discussion.
It's getting hot in here, let's take off all our battery 🎶 😡
whew
I have a Lenovo 5 (Ryzen 5800H, 16GB DDR4, RTX 3060 and 2TB of M.2) and it's great however the battery life and general heft of the machine leavea some things to be desired. I'm thinking about getting a 16" Macbook Pro as well since it excells in areas where the Lenovo does not (and vice versa). Namely the battery life being vastly superior on the Macbook, and portability being much better as well (and no 2kg proprietary power supply). With both of these, I can completely replace my stationary gaming PC with a completely portable setup, which can easily be converted / docked at my desk into my monitors for a hybrid setup. (And yes I develop for both MacOS and Windows, so having both is ideal. I currently have a Macbook Air which is fine for everyday computing but has very poor performance for game development)
It is lenovo what?
Awaiting a 2023 version for Laptop For Game Development!
Every time I start watching your video, I check if playback speed is normal)
Dude, publishing this video just 2 days after I bought mine (still waiting for the laptop to arrive) is pure evil 😭. All good though, seems like I covered my bases pretty well from watching the video 😅. I did watch the 2021 recommendation video.
Ended up going with the Asus Rog Strix Scar 15. The 3070ti variant with i9-12900h. Only gripe I had with it was that it only has 16gb DDR5 ram. But Raz from discord pointed out 16gb would be enough for now, for small and medium size projects. And I can always upgrade it later on when it's necessary.
The Strix is a solid choice, it's a very similar machine, just a bit bigger and a little more flashy. So long as the RAM isn't soldered on, you can upgrade whenever and you're good to go. A quick Google says the Strix has two RAM slots, so you should be good to go. Doing RAM upgrades is generally trivial. It's a more important decision if like the Zeph machines one RAM is soldered in.
thats a shit laptop..gamery plastic junk
You did good. Asus has a good record of reliability.
HP on the other hand
I bought a Omen 15-En a year ago. Keyboard broke and I had to send it to warranty twice before they would fix it. Also has poor thermals, probably due to very poor thermal paste and thermal pads on the memory chips. I still have to open it to fix it.
So yeah, never buy HP. Buy anything else but HP.
I am VERY anti HP. Of the major brands that make a gaming system, they are the only one I wont even consider. They just seem to always fall on their face somewhere and their support when I had issues with a previous machine was infuriating.
Which is a shame, as some Omen machines can be damned sexy and have excellent paper specs (although they almost always do something stupid, like shipping with way too little ram).
I hate HP with passion.
In my laptop D key broke it was in under warranty but HP still asked me approx 150$. Never gonna buy HP again.
My 2016 HP Omen (i7 17" UHD GTX1070, 16 GB Ram, 8 Gb VRAM, 512 Gb NVMe) still runs good till this day (the IPS screen colors are gorgeous), can be cooler-noisy when gaming or running the UE 5. But there's a big BUT - it's now a desktop, as the batteries were all getting swollen fast (had to change them several times and finally gave up and removed the battery and since then just work plugged-in all the time). Another thing - the chassis plastic case parts already cracked in a few places, now being held together by the gaffer's tape :))) (it didn't fall and was used mostly in home environment, so it's just the cheap aging plastic issue). The US HP support was good in 2017 or 2018, but after that it seems to have gotten outsourced to the third countries and went drastically downhill. Last year I started using and additional external cooler from Klim (the copper-body one that sucks the hot air OUT of the chassis), seems to help a bit. Also, for better cooling it helps to raise the laptop above the desk (an inch gap will work). More recent laptops from HP have a terribly irritating issue of the led keyboard backlight auto-off after ~15 sec of inactivity, which is awful for eyes when working at night time, and you can't disable that feature. That alone is unacceptable. The support was just ignorant on that issue. But my old 2016 Omen, however doesn't do this and the led keyboard stays on as long as I want it to (and I keep it always on even during the day as it's still better that way).
I bought a asus rog zephyrus 15 on sale from best buy a few months ago. I'm happy with it so far. I haven't started game development yet just gaming. I can't wait to start creating games.
I bought razer blade 15 with gtx 1660 ti. The thing with battery happened after 1 year. Because of corono razer was not able to get battey replacemepnt so they just gave me 3060 model for free. Hoping for free upgrade this year
I got the zenbook pro duo and it is fantastic. Two 4k screens is so valuable.
Are you still liking this laptop? I've been considering it but I'm a little concerned on actually using it on my lap with the keyboard up front.
My Alienware M15 also had a battery warping issue. I thought the whole thing was kaput.
I recently bought a gaming laptop, i kind of wish i got the g15 (2021) but i think the g14 (2021) was better for what i wanted. it's light weight, powerful, and most of all i got it for 1k. even then i found that the thermals was an issue and i disabled turbo boost, and now i laptop doesn't go over 75 degrees which makes me a happy camper. Overall the battery is great and thermals are way down with minimal performance lost in games that I play. can't wait to try development on it.
Bro help me with one more thing .
Should i buy mac m1 at 85000 rupees or should i buy a gaming laptop worth 65000 rupees
For game development
I bought MSI gp76 leopard 11ug with 3070 last year for these exact purposes. Incredible machine, recommend it to anyone who's looking for a laptop.
I got a MSI Leopard GP76 11UH-687 with RTX 3080 just one month ago :)
I've had good luck with MSI personally. So far, I'd recommend them.
I'm a lucky guy, I bought zephyrus duo, ryzen 9, 32Gb, 2Tb, RTX3080 for only €1799.. they sold it online but they used the wrong price (should have been around €3799. It's the best laptop ever for (game) development and music production.
Hhhhhhhh literally luckiest man
It would have been heaven for me ;😉
8:21 chart is misleading, a mux switch may use some power but it is a fraction of gpu/cpu uses, not a x2 power drain. I think it comes from usage of integrated gpu inside the cpu. Use right hardware for the right time with [Nvidia control panel / Amd adrenaline]. Playing games? Gpu, just coding and reading a debug log? iGpu etc.
I'm thinking of buying Asus Rog Flow x13 (2022 edition) for myself. Ultra small with best cpu on the market (I'm a coder), near xbox s grade iGpu and 3050ti if you need more juice than that (also you can use DLSS 2.0 with it). When you really need the firepower you can use XG mobile which packs 3080 ti mobile but that's probably will sit in the office, hooked to the monitors and such.
I don't suggest buying it unless you want something unique and willing to pay extra for it. Me being a pc lover but still need to get something mobile, this is the iron I can happily use.
I bought Lenovo Legion 5 with Ryzen 5800H, 32 gigs of RAM and GForce RTX 3060. Love it so far 🙂
I got the same with a 3070, battery life isn't great (4ish hours).
Things that sold it, number pad and full sized arrow keys and a really nice keyboard.
@@mattatwork2904no problem it's just plug in
Are integrated gpu enough 😢
It's the worst thing you can buy except if your company is paying.
I feel like game development laptops are pretty similar in terms of needs to gaming laptops. Differences would be slightly less emphasis on GPU and slightly more on CPU, RAM, and storage (speed + capacity). But in general any good gaming laptop is likely to be a good game development laptop.
Pretty much true. 90% of gaming laptops would be good game development laptops. As you said, increased (or atleast upgradability) RAM and a fast CPU are two key areas where game development differs from just gaming.
Bro help me with one more thing .
Should i buy mac m1 at 85000 rupees or should i buy a gaming laptop worth 65000 rupees
For game development
@@namankoshta3637 I would not recommend Mac OS for game development. Every game studio primarily uses windows.
I have i7-9750h 2.6Ghz 6core,16gb Ram, GeForce 1660 6GB, 2TB SSD, running new Games on medium/high settings, no problems with Blender and Unity what so ever. Plus I can take the battery out. Only weakness is battery (2hours tops) + using it with another Monitor for Visual studio or Euro Truck Simulator :D.
you can get laptop like this probably under 1000 now. Planning getting new one maybe next year or later on with 8 core processor,32gb ram and 8GB graphics card of course but for now everything runs great!
Can you share to me what laptop is this, please?
@@mfawtut3308 medion erazer gaming notebook p15
hp victus with rtx 2050 can run ue5 for developing android games?
im using a Alienware from 2012 ....im basiaclly ALPHA of Alphas still waiting for Unity editor to open
My laptop costed $128. I went to computer store, asked for the cheapest laptop and told them to give me THAT one and it does everything I need whether it's game development, gaming, streaming, etc. And this is the way that I have always bought my laptop(s).
Great video👌
I am trying to find a laptop with similar specs as the g16 you are describing, but I need a touchscreen for sculpting in Zbrush. I would like to avoid a drawing pad. I will primarily use UE5, Maya, Substance, PS, and Zbrush. Any suggestions?
Would you recommend this for someone that does a lot of video editing that also wants to get into game dev?
what about lenovo legion 5? I saw one on amazon that has 64 GB RAM, RTX 4070 and 2 TB SSD and Ryzen 7 for $1399 USD
Legion is probably one of the best series of laptops available right now.
@@gamefromscratch i'm probably going to get one at some point, using Unreal Engine 5 on my current Acer Nitro 5 is painful at times
i think I will buy the m16 2022 now .for the short battery life I probably will use protable power bank 20,000 mah since I already have multiple powerbank .
thanks for your review it really help me with the G15 vs M16 because damn it really was hard for me to pick 😅
hey, how about the top spec premium laptop segment? like XPS 17 9720 with the RTX 3060 and 12th gen Intel processors, or Macbook pro 16 with M1 Max, aren’t they more convenient for development with sufficient performance?
Any thoughts on the surface laptop studio?
Should I go for Asus TuF F15 with I7 12700h and a 3050ti for unreal engine? I am new and I will be learning it and probably want the laptop to last atleast 5 years.
Buying a laptop now is a bad advice, we are months away from a CPU and GPU generational update. Just wait if you can.
This is untrue actually. We are going to see 40XX GPUs late this year to early next year (assuming chip shortages dont remain). EVERY single year, the mobile chip has lagged the desktop chip by at least a year. So the next GPU series is basically 2 years out for laptops. For CPUs, there is no massive generational shift in the pipeline, just incremental improvements.
Otherwise, there is always something new and shiny on the horizon. But in terms of buying a machine with the future in mind, right now is a great time to buy.
Another thing to keep in mind is the 40 series of GPUs are said to be HOT, very HOT. This is not going to be ideal in the mobile space either.
@@gamefromscratch CPU will, on the AMD side, feature many new technologies. GIYF. Intel will release their GPU. For the Nvidia GPU, Q3 and EOY, to know if they are worth the wait. If one is not 12, he should be able to wait to get at least 50% better performance over current generation. Also, i don't think they will try to cram a full fat 600W GPU in a laptop. In general don't buy/suggest gaming laptops for gamedev, better to invest in a professional line
It won't be until a year or two for the next generation of CPUs and GPUs to come out for laptops, after the desktop's
There hasn't been a 50% year over year improvement in performance in over a decade. Each generation (1080-2080-3080) has been about 25% faster than the comparable previous generations. Similar numbers hold true for GPUs, although true is, each year those gains are getting smaller and smaller in that regard as well.
As the Intel Arc GPUs, I certainly wouldn't consider being an early adopter there. Intel has promised the world on the mobile side several times already and ... meh.
@@gamefromscratch what are you talking about? Go check the hardware unboxed review of the 3080: 51-83% faster in 4k than the 2080 depending on the title. Please check some actual articles and videos about the topic you pick. I understand you have to chase the algorithm, but you end up influencing young people with limited budget, then you retract your advices few months later just because you can afford to switch. Regarding Intel you don't know how they will shape the market (read lower prices) or what they will offer to consumers, so another reason to wait.
Regarding the CPUs, they are not as fundamental for game dev, we are already in a good spot, and the early looks at AMD look promising. Again, if you decided to change now good for you but try to keep in mind the interest of your viewers, which is in my understanding: better value game dev tools.
A mux switch sounds AMAZING. This has been such a PITA to deal with over the years!
Legion 5i pro 3060 with 140w is good for metaverse creation?
What about Mac??? 😇
I bought omen 16 with rtx 3070, rayzen 7 5800 , 1TB ssd and 32 gb ram.
But I just can't render 360 vr videos in UE5. If I wann to get 8k Quality it takes long time to even begin rendering
what I dont really like from rog series is the keyboard and trackpad are fingerprint magnets. It is really hard to look for gaming laptop which has serious design, good quality build and not fingerprint magnet.
I just saw the acer concept D Line... Goddamm! And they are announcing on the acer Brazil store! I must start harvesting some kidneys to be able to afford one.
I never use battery on my labtops i just plug the thing
Unfortunately loud fans and poor battery life are pretty much unavoidable when buying a gaming laptop. I have a Lenovo Legion and with the GPU running I'm lucky to get 45 mins out of a full charge. When I'm playing an intensive game and the fans are running full whack I have to wear headphones or it would drive me crazy.
What are you saying? Don't ever comment without doing research, don't do that again!
Crystal generation xD
I like how explain in details about the game development laptops an like the recommendation,I would definitely purchase that but can't afford it, so can u please strongly recommend something cheaper
Now we have the same laptop! I think my research was right 👍
I got a zypherus 14 for VR dev. I love it! I use virtual desktop and screen size doesn't matter
16:10 screen or nothing.
I remember in college one guy had a razor and the one side looked melted after 2 years lol.
have anyone been using a gigabyte g5 for game dev? I just bought one on discount (i5-11400h, rtx 3050 4gb, 16gb ram)
Ah Mike shoulda went with that Eurocom X15 that just released a few weeks ago. Desktop alderlake CPU (12600 up to 12900) with a 3070 Ti, it's about 500 dollars cheaper before tax than your pick and you have an upgrade path since the CPU is socketed. You'd at least be able to extend out the lifetime between purchases into Raptor Lake.
I was actually going to mention this in the video (and think I mentioned it in the guide), but there are a ton of European laptop manufacturers, including Eurocom and Sager, that simply aren't available here, or they are rebadged under questionable brands by companies you've never heard of.
@@gamefromscratch @Gamefromscratch Eurocom is Canadian. (That's where you're from right?) They do have a European outlet though.
Lol that's hilarious then, as I never see their products for sale here.
@@gamefromscratch Yeah, they're a boutique seller like XoticPC so they really only cater to enterprise/high class customers. They're quite a small operation but the support is 10/10 and they can save you quite a bit interfacing directly. They even have a 10% student discount if you're currently enrolled and can show it. I'm a U.S. citizen so I don't pay any taxes so that saves considerably on top of it. There's tons of these smaller boutique sellers like Origin, LPC Digital, Sager Notebooks.
threadripper laptop where
Thanks for sharing.
What RAM size did you pick? Storage?
Wait, wasn't the MacBook the ultimate game dev machine? XD
I honestly think I was fair and on the nose with my M1 MBP review.
For power per watt (aka, battery life), it literally is the ultimate machine. For video encoding, again, the ultimate machine. For general purpose game development... buy a PC.
@@gamefromscratch what's the name of the channel again? "Edit videos from scratch at Starbucks"?
Yeah, granted I didn't buy that machine for game development personally, I bought it to edit videos at starbucks... something I literally do at least once a day. My use case isn't exactly typical.
Ironically I haven't been to a Starbucks since the plague hit.
@@gamefromscratch love your reviews. I'm going for a Macbook pro for game dev. Your MB reviews highlighted how quiet it was, lower power consumption (especially as energy prices skyrocket) and 14" portability. Looking forward to more reviews.
Hi guys, sorry out of topic. Did ya guys already get the 3 badge of Ninja Swag form Unreal Engine?. I only got the 3 badge but no clothes tho
Lenovo Legion series are the best!
Btw, one thing I'm noticing across your videos is how loud your voice is over your mic vs other apps I can listen to at the same volume. I suggest using compression to soften up the highs and bring up the lows a bit. It doesn't have to be stellar quality, but it's hard to listen to over time as it is.
Mike: "Do you hear that, do you?" 😒
Me: * *Upping my sound to actually hear it* * 🤨
* *Meanwhile my brothers PC when playing a intense game BRRRROOOOOMMM!!!!!* * 😅
For me Gigabyte G5 is very attractive (it's a Clevo btw)
For one, unless you really have to, this is why you don't develop on a laptop. They run too hot for game development and game art with no real way to cool them, at least without an external GPU setup. I also agree that Razer support is trash in my experience.
buy from a company that specializes in making laptops -_-. dont get a GAMerrRR laptop. get a multimedia/designer/normal one with appropriate stats....then trust the reliability of the company to make it last for years upon years. hard enough to trust razer with making mice, let alone a whole computer.
Do you even develop games?
MacBook Pro. Best battery life, best keyboard, POSIX platform. Love it. (I'm a professional game dev btw)
I have a 2021 MacBook Pro with the 24Core GPU and I very much like the machine. I covered it in this video: ruclips.net/video/EBt54KYSCEY/видео.html
It's a good solid choice as long as you stay in that ecosytem and your software runs on it. Where the MBP is absolutely in a league of it's own is the performance per watt. Being able to do game engine work, 3d modelling or video editing on battery with no real lose in performance is amazing.
But...
Unreal is certainly a subset compared to on PC, especially Unreal Engine 5. There are a decent number of engines that don't run on Mac. Additionally, I found command line development irritating as hell, due to a lot fo dependencies not supporting M1 processors yet. The M1 also hurts on the virtualization front, with Parallels only supporting the ARM versions of Windows 11 and no ability to Bootcamp anymore.
So long as you are working entirely in a M1 Mac compatible ecosystem... say Unity or Godot Engine + Blender/Maya and Adobe image suite, you're good to go. If you want to do Unreal Engine development, it runs fine but is missing a decent amount of features.
The modeling tools were certainly missing for me when I first checked. The big missing features though are Lumen and Nanite, although you also run into a TON of content from the store that is Windows only. The recent City example (gamefromscratch.com/unreal-engine-5-matrix-city-scene-demo-hands-on/) doesn't run on Mac for example. The new FPS sample was said to, but It didn't work either, at least when it was released.
@@gamefromscratch I don't do ue5, so I can''t speak to that. I use Unity for my job, but even that is misleading since 90% of my work is literally spent in a text editor writing code. So I don't really need to worry about the engine itself sapping my resources. So, as a machine on which I spend most of my time typing, I've never found anything better.
I would absolutely LOVE to see a version of Blender for iOS, that would fill a huge blank in my iPad workflow. Nomad Sculpt is very nice, but there is certainly a need for a low polygon modelling tool.
I agree in regards to keyboard, the MacBook really does have one of the best keyboards out there. Obviously though, people have different tastes in keyboards. The M16 actually has a really nice keyboard too, nice big keys, good travel... they're clicky though, some people love that, some hate.
I can't believe people like using laptops for game dev.
I couldn't live without at least my triple monitor setup.
I wish I had money for one of those fancy ultra wide monitors. 😆
In the age of Thunderbolt, you can easily do 3+ displays (plus the built in display) using a laptop if you want. I just used a single 32" external display personally and it's fine for me. Much more and I find my eyes/neck get tired by days end. That or one or two of the displays become pretty much unused.
Confused person like u
Please make same video for desktop
I recommend Acer.
I have a Helios 300 2020 laptop and it hasn't not chugged on games dev or game play. The only time I've had a hard problem with running anything is with the Matrix City Sample, and that's it.
Be warned, I did have to send in my laptop due to the fan whirring noise which is a known issue.
I use a laptop (Dell Precision 7530 with a Quadro P1000) for gaming development (and a little playing) right now. Not great performance and I can't play anything really new (Elder Ring) at high res, but I can play Conan Exiles and things like that on what I have. Unreal 5 "games" (well demos) are horrible and I can barely use the editor (and can't use nanites) so need something better. The laptops are interesting but I think I'm going for a desktop so I can use an external GPU (and upgrade it in the future). The display isn't that important to me because I keep the my laptop closed and use an external 29" display (along with 2 other 27" ones). Not really sure a laptop (even with a good GPU) will really handle UE5 for me.
I myself have a toaster that handles godot so well lol
Razer has gone down into the shitter with their QC of their products. Found out recently that Razer was sold to a Chinese tycoon in 2005. So yeah, expect Chinese quality garbage from Razer now
It's so odd with Razer... they do use top tier components and have some of the finest build quality you will find this side of the MacBooks... perhaps beyond that. But unlike the premium you pay for an Apple product and shiny case... with Razer the support is ass-tier and as you say, the quality control is certainly iffy.
I do not think they had a leadership change though, still run out of Singapore I believe.
@@gamefromscratch I had buy a eGPU from Razer for my Framework laptop, but it was DOA. It turned on and the fans spun, but the power supply was a no-name brand and after getting some help from the eGPU subreddit, they said it was a dead power supply (which is EXTREMELY common with Razer eGPUs)
I had an absolute nightmare with Razer. Their tech support was shocking. We got there in the end. My power supply was faulty out of box. I will be very careful who I buy a gaming laptop from next. I wish I had read trustedreviews for Razer before making my purchase. On a side note, I will never buy from HP either. It took 6 weeks for me to return a VR headset and get my money back. Tech support failure again.
Holy shit you speak fast
Instead of using a powerful laptop. How about using your home PC as a RDP server. Forward your RDP ports. Boom. You're using your powerhouse PC anywhere in the world using your budget laptop of choice
Nice flex bro lul. Who wouldn't buy that beautiful machine if they could afford it?
And here I thought he was going to pick a potato.
I bought a potato the generation before, but then weird growths started to sprout from the side and I had to throw it away.
@@gamefromscratch I've heard someone got Doom to run on said potato.
Yeah, but it couldn't run Crysis.
for me it's the macbook
razer is one of the shittest brands I don't get you at all