Should I Stop Racing my Demon 170? SELL IT INSTEAD?
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- Опубликовано: 28 сен 2024
- I give you my thoughts on racing my Demon 170 again after my original engine had to be replaced. Many have told me that they think I should sell the car and cut ties with Dodge and Stellantis altogether. Should I continue to drag race the car after what happened to the engine? Is there a design flaw? What do you think I should do with the car?
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Hey, I think you’re a great guy. I really enjoy your channel. Please take no offense to my suggestions. I am a master mechanic. I have built engines. After 500 miles change the oil and filter. Do not even think about racing it until you’ve got at least 1500 miles on it.. at that point change the oil and filter again. If you spend a day at the dragstrip, change the oil and filter each and every time before you go back to race it. Please understand that even though it has been modified to drag race, this is a very extreme hard service use of the vehicle. It wasn’t designed from the ground up to drag race. It has been modified to do that. If you continually race it on a regular basis, the engine and transmission are going to wear at a much higher rate than they normally would, if you were driving it on the street. After about 25,000 miles or sooner of hard use you’re going to have to plan to go through that motor again and possibly the tranny. Plan on it ahead and don’t be surprised. I’m glad for you that you’re having fun with it. That’s what it’s all about.😊
Please listen to this person, and save yourself a lot of headaches.
25,000 miles is a good estimate, say if it's driven normally a hemi can last 200-300k of easy miles before the lifter ticking gets unbearable. For example if 10,000 of those 25,000 miles are WOT (driving to the drag strip, and 1/4 mile back down the strip driving slowly), that will wear out the transmission clutches and engine very fast. On the 200-300k engine lets say the person does a wot pull every 10 miles up until highway speeds (~75mph). That should be about half the time down the drag strip with less wear, heat, and easier launch on the drivetrain components. Plus everything has time to cool down with fast flow coolant instead of almost idling after a 1/4 mile pull.
Back in the mid 60's my friend raced his 383 cu in. '65 Satellite everyday whenever he could -AND- Guess WHAT? He used to pull over a sewer grate and drain the "used" oil down the sewer and the he added fresh oil NO he didn't always change the filter to my knowledge!!
I say keep it and make it your own. Even if you end up modding it. But if you decide to sell it, I totally understand. No matter what choice you make, I'm here for the channel either way! 💯🔥🤛
Mod it? It's already ready to blow up straight from the factory.
Exactly , the warranty is done if you mod it?
I would not mod it until at least the warranty runs out
@@windwalker121 Mods like 15" conversion...
@@edwardqueffelec9815 15" conversion. Mods that don't void a warranty and can be undone... ect.
Paul please keep it brother
Its still a masterpiece
Keep pushing
RacerX,
Your Not fearful. Just NERVOUS. Here we go again, back to the flat track.
I’m sure all your subscribers want to see you push this MONSTER to the limit.
Change the oil after every trip to the flat track to strain and inspect for metal.
That’s still the only worry.
Hopefully not a worry with this MONSTER heart transplant.
Watched this video three times. Your content is never boring. Thx for the update.
I wouldn't be scared to race it again. As long as you document the proper break in process, and any of the Stellantis advice to break it in. If it fails twice, then yeah, you may want to part with it.
Agree, He should give it one more shot , if it fails again then that’s sad .. and he needs to sell it Definitely
@@malik777able I hear that. However, I'd be tempted to keep racing it anyway and force Dodge to replace the engine every time it blows until they won't anymore at which time I would sue them for a 100% return on my purchase. I'd seriously like to see how long this car can be raced before it blows again, if it fails at all that is...
@@artillerybuff2000I was think the same , minus Sue them in the end .. I get a ton of new engines and then when they stop fix it , that's when I will rip that engine out and either rebuild it myself my way or find a differant powerplant if in fact it's the engine ... but from what I gather it's a helaphant base hopped the truck up ... idk if that's a fact or not but if that's the case .. then I would inspect why all the engines died , and try to make a billet or stronger part or some type of support to what keeps breaking and run it again ... cuz let's keep it 💯, the car it's self is a solid platform and a icon at that (from the past atleast) so if nothing else , the challenger and all it's hopped up body , wiring , ecu , braking , suspension, ect .. would still be a good use .. but I do get were you come from as they are not cheap lol .. peace and love bro keep it rad stay safe and build on l8z
We all know it will be sold soon
@@artillerybuff2000 Good point🤔 I mean that sounds like an option, but I’m sure a lot of people aren’t into the whole having to do the court stuff and suing . If this fails again I’m sure Racer X would just wanna get the engine replaced then get the thing off his hands asap
Yes racerx dont just quit the demon 170 a real racer wont do that and you are a real racer!!!!
I appreciate that you are so transparent when it comes to the car world, I agree I think some people only show when they have a good day on the track. Never when it's a bad day..
I would just keep it, enjoy it, and drive it. No need to necessarily race it. Maybe once a year race her. I have a Raptor R but that does t mean that I should take it down and go through Baja regularly. It can be a special occasion…I am a big believer in having your dream car if you can afford it.
Facts the young people want to beat up and race their cars every day
It hurts when it's your pride and joy and it needs to be wrenched on. I have a '23 Scat TA and I don't like people looking at it let alone touching it. It's painful, especially an engine. I know how you feel. Been thru that with my Trans am. Hope everything goes well from now on. 👍
Race it. it is still under warranty.
I still think it needs that rear ended conversation to get a fatter tire on!
Keep up the good content. Good luck with the new engine. FYI we're in the Jegs All Star race at the Fall Nat's this year in Ennis.
Run it!!! If anyone deserves to run this car, it's you!! Love your channel!!! Enjoy!!!!
Racer X great channel and just go ahead and race your Demon. There are car makers out there who will say you drove your car too hard or something and void your warranty. I have seen that a couple of times over the years. So I would not feel to bad right now because Dodge did fix your Demon. If something else were to happen who knows but I think in your case for the content you will get it's worth taking the risk! Keep up the great work and I am looking forward to seeing you race your Demon!
Id keep it until the banshee comes out, buy a banshee for content.
Whatever you decide, we will still stay tuned in. One of my favorite channels on youtube!
Damn bro has the most beautiful eyes i have ever seen, i am jealous! Enjoy your car brother, don't sell it
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Yooo...keep your eye's on the car sir.
I love all your videos thanks for everything if it wasn't for you guys I would be lost thanks to all my car guys out there sharing videos
These are hard to get , frustrating at first now you thought it over I’d say keep it man break it in a bit longer
keep it brother! dial it in, and go after that high 8 :P
I have followed you for a long time and I knew you wouldn’t give up on the Demon 170. Keep up the great content and let’s see some awesome races.
Sounds healthy. The pops and gurgles. Yeah take it easy this time. Low rpm's can never HURT
Good for you. Keep it and have fun! Really, what do you have to lose? Car still under warranty and you have their support. On losing one race... the best lose here and there. That's the nature of it. Racing is an odd thing. So much has to come together for that perfect run. I don't think there is anyone in sports that has a spotless record. Keep it coming. Great Fidel. Good luck with the new motor.
Your a real car guy no drama no bs nuff said race it…That’s why you bought it!!
RacerX you need to listen to Deep Purple, Highway Star and take on the motto “Ain’t nobody gonna drive my car, gonna race it to the ground.” That’s my best advice.
Race it. I love your channel. you're a great, guy! I wish you all the luck and happiness with car.
If you ever want to sell down the road, I'd be interested in buying from you.
Thank you kindly, and happy racing RACERX!
Follow your heart and stay true to what you love brother! Hammer down. Love the content. Keep it coming.
Your car sounds real strong even in the video. My opinion is you should keep it, even if you dont race. Its still a cool car.
I met you at the reveal in Tampa/Brandon, I have the ZL1. Don’t sell it, you will regret it. Race it as it is still under warranty and that is what they were made for. I never understood how people can spend that kind of money for these types of cars to keep them as garage queens. Run it like you stole it.
It’s definitely a beautiful car… stay with it… it’s hot rodding…. Things break… it’s warranted, and dodge is doing the right thing… your the man… love the videos… 👍🏻😎
Man keep that car! Dodge took care of you and you got a BRAND NEW engine. KEEP IT!!
Drive it, enjoy it! Stuff happens even in the 60s with the LS6 and other special motors, there were some failures, it will probably be the the best car ever!
Thanks for being real. And impartial
Milodon makes a front sump oil pan that is supposed to keep the oil at the pickup during hard takeoffs. Might want to inquire about it. I would see what I could do about the oiling problem before I raced it. Best of luck.
Hey Mr.X I love the Dodge videos keep doing you brother follow and feel what YOU want to do,like you said you gotta take risks and never quit something you just started we are just here to watch your journey and for you to educate us if we want to get in on it as well you’re the captain of your course keep the charter going! love watching your vids! 🔥
Mopar or no car boys!! -melch🗿
Kenneys is still getting tons of business from you. People are coming from out of town now.
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As you have stated and others, everyone has a differing break-in procedure. The newer engines are much newer technology and I feel this definitely affects the break-in process. However, in my humble opinion, the Hellcat, Redeye, Demon, etc. are even vastly more delicate to break-in due to being supercharged. If it were my car, I would not over-rev the engine; I would not put the engine in a 'lug' predicament, etc. Light throttle accelerating and hundreds of heat-cycles. As a 'guide', consider oil changes at 100, 500, and 1,000 miles. Difficult to relate to how many miles when to begin enjoying the car, but as a 'rule of thumb', 1,500+ miles. Then race it. Again, just my opinion. Keep it unless another engine failure in the next year or less; then you might have a case to sell. Best wishes Racer X!
Modify the oil system. Dry sump or bafle in the crank case.
Then he has ZERO warranty. Right now he can race it for five years worry free.
Well that is a conundrum, right there!
I'm a little surprised that a car that pulls that kind of G forces on launch, that it doesn't have a dry sump oiling system. A front Sump oil pan isn't the best for drag racing, I'm sure it works up to a point after that your going to run into problems with all the oil being forced to the rear of the engine. Losing oil pressure even for a second isn't good. If you look at the drag pack cars they use a rear sump oil pan.
A 4000lb boat needs a 1000+ hp to get it moving.....the biggest issue is the quality of the parts and poor engineering. The oil pan needs some serious baffling/trap doors to keep the oil in place.
Rad brotha ... if it breaks this time , utalize the body and do a swap you have ran b4 and made reliable... or get u bread back , cuz lets face it .. they are not cheap by any means , and dealership markups 😢.. anyways peace and love bro keep it rad stay safe and build on l8z famz and i am curious to see it run on the new engine
Hell no! Don't sell it! Take us on your journey to the 8s!!!
Keep it bro!!!! Please keep it.
Keep it run it in and let it rip !!! Show us what it can really do
If it doesn't trap any faster than before after break in procedure is over, this thing would be up for sale if it was mine . Some of these cars just seem to run much better than others or at least what I have seen. You have the cars that don't seem to trap any higher than mid 140s and the very few that are close to advertised trap speed in the same conditions (60ft and ET aside) because we all know trap speed tells the real story of what a car is capable of.
Dude eyes blue as shit, kinda scary. I can’t NOT notice it every so often I tune in to this channel
Prudent decision sell it and move forward. Don’t throw good money after bad!
Keep it 👍🏻 it’s still under warranty if something happens.
Race it !!!!!! Things break and you have a warranty so go for it.
Does not matter what the "autopsy" says or how many have an issue. There will be no recall. Stellantis spun off Ram and Jeep. Dodge has virtually nothing left after what's on the lot moves. Kuniskis is out. Dodge won't exist in two years and Stallantis will do everything legally possible to avoid any type type of warranty claims. Having Dodge declare bankrupty might be one method for Stellantis to avoid any future finacial resposibilities. I own two SRT products but everything has an end. Good luck with your car and I look forward to seeing you race it and prove to all what the limitations of the car may or may not be. If not you then who else?
I would have a custom oil pan made or go dry sump if you keep launching that beast on track. It seems like the factory front sump pan can't handle the lower quarter mile time of the 170 compared to the other demon or cats.
Race, have fun with it, do cool mods. I'm looking forward to seeing the seats you swap out with. Also be cool if you did a rear seat delete video...I want to do that with my 1320.
If the replacement engine let's go as well will they replace it again? I figure they would but hopefully you have no issues with this one! I think you should keep racing it because that's why you bought it!
I've got 550 miles on mine, runs like a champ. If for some reason it pukes a engine I will pay my own money to have a reputable builder rebuild it so I can keep the original engine in it. Keep it and have fun with it. Besides you got it at msrp. You will never lose money on it.
Go watch *Uncle Tony's* (Garage) video about the oil pan design and lubrication requirements of the Demon 170 engine. They're all getting oil system warnings.
Short explanation? He's right. Even though it's very well designed, the layout of the car requires a *front sump pan* which would support a 10 second car *all day long...* The problem is, the Demon is built to run in the 8s-9s and the G-forces produced keep the oil pinned right to the back of the engine. Therefore, it can't get enough oil pulled back up front during these balls-out passes. It's just physics, plain and simple and nothing you, the Stelantis engineers or anyone else can do is going to change the laws of physics/nature.
The day they figure out how to make a rear sump system for it, you're good to go! 😊
Get rid of the wheel hop and send it. Then, more boost, bigger injectors, and a tune.
Great video good information, you shouldnt be scared you have warranty and you are using it for what they made it for.. Also cover tim kuniskis leaving us 😢
I suspect it's a fuel issue personally but I would totally pay 80k for it once you have had your fun I live that satin black on the tor red
Racer X, did you not once make a vid about buyers should revolt and not pay up? Dodge is selling pipe dreams, and I hope for you yours works out. In 2018 I bought my camero ss new $36,000 and now talk about inflation. Plus if I put another 40k of engine work into it. You would ask me for the hit in your 170 to keep it fair!😃
Never sell it, man!!! This is the single most badass car on the planet!
I owned a 2016 HellCat Challenger when new. That car was a P.O.S. within 16k I had one supercharger and 3 engines go out!! Dodge inspected all engines and said not my fault. I didn’t even beat on it other than one night at the track. Dodge said it was an internal oiling system issue with the 6.2 Hemi. I traded it in. Later I bought a Challenger Scat Pack 1320 and I beat the hell out of it without issues. Best car I’ve owned so far. Still own the 1320 and actually got faster e/t’s at the track over HellCat.
Ppl usually get rid of their toys when it breaks or they get tired of playing with it
If it is true, that the 2023 Demon 170 comes with Dodge's standard 3-year/36,000-mile warranty and a five-year/60,000-mile powertrain, THEN I would keep and race it until the Powertrain warranty expires. If this is not the case then it's not worth the risk to me. Maybe see what the Aftermarket creates to solve this problem like a dry-sump oiling system or a modified to 100% reliable wet sump system.
As you said. it has 1025 horsepower. dragging that is not the same as dragging a mustang gt. how many trips down the dragstrip is that actually going to handle? those dragsters pulling 3 second quarters are basically rebuilt after every trip down the strip. sort of like the Bugatti, at 300 mph the tires last 10 minutes. not trying to compare this with that, but it is a lot of horsepower.
The guys saying to sell it are the type to go sell a 2024 vehicle as soon as a wheel bearing gives out. Stuff breaks, especially in a high horsepower car. Some of you would have never made it through the golden age of muscle cars of the late 60’s early 70’s if you’re afraid of a warranty backed blown engine. Don’t go throwing big money around on performance oriented vehicles if you’re not willing to take the headache that comes with such power and torque. Racer X was very aware of what he was buying.
Yeah race it until the warranty is out then modify it and keep it. But the issue is it’s still factory and if you change any of the flaws like a not having a dry sump then it’s a voided on the warranty. But hey maybe it’s a bad motor others aren’t having issues so. Yeah man the channel name is called RacerX. Stay true to your grass roots and don’t give up on the car, get it done and race it for you and the car. RaceCars to me are like a member of the family I don’t part with them because it’s my creation or will be in the future. They all got a little personality you just got to listen while putting the blood sweat and Tears into it, it will take care of you.
I love that car but the true is They are far away from running 8.9 stock, Dodge sell it showing wrong times from the beginning at first show up turning off the times at the drag strip 😢😢
The question is will they cover engine #2 if it craps out?
Keep it and change your intro video to include the super charger whine
Don’t sell it
Nice Vette
Having purchased it at MSRP you’re not going to lose money. Had you paid 15-25 thousand over I’d say sell now to make sure you recoupe the money as prices seem to be headed toward msrp at dealers. On top of the if I was in the market for a demon 170 an engine swapped vehicle would be last on my list.
RacerX seen on other channels where they do an oil analysis after the break in oil change. Have you considered it?
Haters gonna hate. Keep it and race it. That is what it was built to do.
Its great content and full of knowledge
Love your channel and I know you were looking forward to getting this car but if I were you I'd cut your losses and sell the car. I wouldn't trust it not to blow up again. Get a different vehicle to make content. Should have bought the Dark Horse, or build a car like an R/T Charger or Challenger. Even a Camaro LT1. What ever you do I'll still be watching.
keep it and race it
Race it as long as warranty covers it then before it runs out sell it
It's mind numbing to read these comments. This car is a museum piece, it should be filled to the top with oil, battery removed, shrink wrapped and put into safe storage for 25 years. To pay $150,000 for a vehicle with a 1025 hp engine and expect to race it regularly under warranty is the definition of insane.
Keep blowin it up, why not, ur a youtuber and will get free motors, the average guy like myself won’t.
It also says in the warranty they may not cover racing damage so don't break it again.
Mate,can I say,I'm sure you'd have thought of it already,but by the sound of it ,the 170,s need a dry sump system,take care mates
Keep it, they're not making any more. Will you still have a warranty for another engine?
Will Dodge even be around to cover warranty and repair work?
You need 5% tint here in Florida sir
The question is..did they replace the engine with one that has the issue fixed? Or just another bad engine that has the same issue? Did you ask the engineers? If you go and race it again will it fail? JS
Yes. Get a salvaged title charger or challenger and put the 426 in there. Throw a few turbos on it and take it from there. Far more entertaining for the channel than a stock 170.
Your doing it right bro, don't let the keyboard hero's get you down, there a bunch of karens.
Car is designed to be a race car enjoy it don’t pay attention to social media your gonna get all kinds feedback
Don't sell it! Anyone who has raced, whether it be in the street or on track, knows things break. In other cars I've owned I've sent rods through blocks, shattered rears and transmission etc etc. It's all part of the game.
That's life brother. You make your company an extra $300K one year and then break a $1000 part the next year, now your just known as the guy that breaks things. People go to great restaurants, have a great time, and say nothing about it. They have one bad experience and post it all over the net and now the place has a bad reputation. Please keep racing that car.... I want to see what happens.
I dont think you will find out much, when do you expect you will race it? In a week or 2 ?
So no longer a matching numbers car. Such a bummer.
Race the car RacerX
What happened to your street car takeover videos ?
I think Tim Kuniskis bailed because he knew there would be hell raised over the support for all the Hemis, and especially the Demons. I think they're great (and very overpriced) cars, but I would sooner buy a Cobrajet than one of these at this point.
SELL IT!!! As a Challenger scat pack manual widebody owner I can tell you, it doesn't make sense keeping this. Getting something less delicate and stressed (ie no forced induction) that you can drive and enjoy everyday, not a race monster that will continually break. Just not worth the headache. Learn from this lesson, under warranty, and get out while you can.
I dont care what it is that your racing doesnt matter you are out there pushing it beyond its limits the shit is going to break thats part of racing. Fix it and get back on the track
I mean do you love the car? Thats anybodys biggedt question- do you love your car? Is the potential drama worth it? Plus, why all the heartache w/ replacing the engine if not to use the new one? If the replacement engine is still under warranty 100% race it, use it, LOVE it. If it eats itself alive again then you know what to do 😂.
P.s-losing 1 race doesnt mean you cant drive. X can drive-quit hatin.
Here's a serious question: how telling would it be if Dodge doesn't respond back to inquires about what happened to that engine?_?
Do you lose value if it’s not a matching number vehicle?
If you quit racing you might as well sell it. That’s what it was made for
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Race it that’s what it was built for. That will also show if indeed Dodge has built a defective engine.