It's common in India, we demand 7th gen technology at 4th gen price. But if it is imported then we can pay Double. And not last minute in last second we demand changes so that we can create room for foreign vendor. I support HAL , DRDO, .......
That's why IAF should be made aware that it's not just selecting the best equipment but fitting their purchase into the larger strategic plan of self-sufficiency in critical technologies.
Govt is also to blame, why no funding was provided for Kaveri for 10-15 years. US can ditch us any time as they don't want that our aircraft manufacturing capability should grow.
I think it is good that GE delay is good for India. Cryogenic engine related restrictions led to INDIA building its own engine. GE delay will pave the way for AMCA & TEDBF.
Bhikyo chutiappya walee battya kartta hai joh tum project Kay naam Genna rahha hai whohvsab f414ge per based hai bhiya humkho tajas say appni kaam hotee sakwedens puree karnee hai tarya think karnya say gantaa bhee fark nahi partta appnya chutiappya walee battya appnya pass rakh layy 😅😮😮😮😮😅😅😅😅😅 aur tujkho patta nahi hai kyaa bhart kaa colibration mayy bannya wala engine 2035 say pahlya nahi ayygaa tab tak sallya hum gantta hellyabgya kyya kabi toh logic ki battya keyyavkar bhi chutiappya ki batt karnee hai tujjkho
Test facility hai nahi. Kaha se Kaveri pe work karenge? Wind tunnels nahi hai flying test bed nahi hai Russia le jana padta hai. Aise thode engine banta hai.
Bhi Saab yah toh akaree ki xheejya hai jab aur reserch Kay leyya Paisa chiya thaa toh modi gov nay funding rokk kar iskyo scrap kar deyya chlo Maan leyya ki yah kabar thaa per modi nay dus sallo say raffles mrfa deal kyo lattkai aur fir 114 units ki jagah kawal 36 raffles hee karedya aur chup bath kar bakchodi hee kartya rahya agar Jayda units lattya toh aaj aisi katrnak situation toh naa hotee bhiya
@@bineetgupta bhai bakchodi to Airforce bhi kar hi Rahi hai, Itne saare aircraft aur fighter jets hai dedo koi ek. Jab DRDO ne Su30, Mig29, Il76 manga to sabke liye mana kar diya inhone aur inko sab cheej time pe chahie
No thanks.. One is realist and other is blind psu worshipper. We don't want controversy. Follow doctrine of govt institutions.. Do nothing and there will be no appreciation or criticism😊
Yah batt modi jee samjatya toh yah project duss saal delya toh nahi hotta 2014 15 may modejee nay iski funding band kar scrap kar deyya aur America France aur England Kay talwaya chatnya laggya aur aaj tak engine complete nahi huaa naa mrfa deal Kay tahat raffles hee aaya aur abb hum bahut katrak situation may fass cukkya hai mig 21 jagwar aur Miraj hattna jaruree hai chlo Miraj kho chorr bhee dayy per baki Kay dono kho hattna hee hogga sparespart nahi meel rahya aur jagwer kaavengine under power hai airframe bhee kharb fees cukka hai tajasvki delivery tynatee bahut late hoo gai kyo ki American paisya lannya Kay baaojuud timly ge 414 engine supply nahi karr rahha hai
@pravinmeher2036 Engine is developed by GTRE (DRDO) and will have to be produced in a factory rather than converting GTRE to a factory. HAL (its both Engine divisions, one at Bengaluru and the other at Sunabeda, Odisha) have been making/manufacturing/producing Engines, tailor-made (& associated with) to their particular aircraft like various Western brands or MiG21/Su3 "under license" from the design and manufacturing "drawings", supplied by those original designers (design firms). HAL produced/made that way, thousands of engines over the last half a century, at least. In India, "manufacturing" engines is a continuous saga. But I must first find an engine "design". In due course that time, "GTRE" can be that time-tested "designer", & HAL the manufacturer; I hope. That is the procedure. I am making efforts to explain as to how an (Aero) gets delivered to be fitted to a "particular" fighter jet aircraft. As there were no "Aircraft"designers in India, HAL had to don the cap of "designer" (here is a huge deign bureau) to meet the requirements that can't avoided. ADA is the first fully0uathenticated "desugn bureau (on par with Mikoyan-Gurevich - MiG, Sukoi-Su, Antonov-An, Tupolev-Tu or whatever). Yet, HAL can't "design" an engine and it is impossible to make/manufacture/produce an engine, without a design document set.
Aur rakho American per dependency kuttya hai haramjaydya hai Sally pakistanio kho f16kay engine supply karwatya hai turkey Kay through aur abb turkey second hand f16 pakistan kho gift daggaa Bhi Saab saree galtee gov ki hai hal kyya karya engine aayangya tab hee toh tajas urragaa ki jameen per yah hanger may kharya airframe may missiles auonix raddar laggya chlo lagga bhee deyya per Beena engine yah kees kaam Kay bhart aaj twin varient tajas tyar kartta toh yahh randi Ronna toh nahi hotta France Kay saffron engine 75kn walya lag jattya naa aur aggya chal 73kn walya engine bhee lag saktya thyy per hamree gov funds hee nahi datee bhi
absolutely spot on. about HAL....gol gol ghumane se better hai truth bole..but Khi na khi HAL bhi responsible hai..about latest integration of tech...jo suspected lag rha hai..fir GE ke delY k fayada..liya gya....
Kaveri engine project was as precious as Brahmos project. If we can develop worlds most powerful missiles, then we can also develop jet engines. DRDO needs time for development, but kaveri project was sent back to cold box many times. Its high time our government should start investment in R&D rather than depending on west 😊
@sidsharmaa One of my nephews is a M.Tech. in Mech. Engineering. His thesis was "computational hydrodynamics" (Aerodynamics is a variant of Hydro dynamics). The topic can be extremely useful in the complexities of design for Jet (Gas turbine) engine. I suggested he join GTRE (one needs to compete, prove his qualifications, to be in it). He ignored it & went to America. Now he is earning a fat salary (in Silicon Valley - San Jose). But more than that, he is excited about his work- the opportunities offered in innovation and an all-appreciative customer-base that doesn't want him to leave America. Can we replicate them here?
@@MrPoornakumaryes sir that kind of environment and eco-system is hard to replicate in India and more so in public sector units which predominantly controls aeronautical sectors in India though isro which somehow is associated with Aeronautics and rocket science seems to be, an exception to it.
@@MrPoornakumar Seems like your nephew is not deshbhakt enough. There may indeed be opportunities in America, but a true patriot would choose to work for their own country, irrespective of the level of appreciation received. However, It's NOT that they won't be appreciated or recognized at all for making breakthroughs for India, but it's true that they may not be paid as much. So, the issue is more about compensation than appreciation. Ultimately, not everyone can be like Bhabha or Abdul Kalam, who prioritized India's greatness over financial rewards.
@@sigma-sigma1 Allow me to offer explanations, before painting the public sector with a black brush. At the time of independence, there was no money neither with the government nor the public. Being the one with lot more money the Union government had to embark on "industrialisation" as a welfare measure & as service to the citizens, which precludes "profit". That was the flaw. With poor marks in Science there was no chance of entrepreneur scientists like Bell, Edison or Tesla (besides strong societal reasons). Most investors are (petty) traders from whom you can't expect to industrialise the country. Only patriotism can't industrise (as events proved). The only +point was Lalchand Hirachand. During WW II, when there was a need to overhaul allied military aircraft he opened a factory at Bengaluru (HAL). Not only that, he pioneered ship-building at Visakhapattanam, as well as a car factory (with Italian FIAT Technology). As trading offered safe & huge profits (huge population) none went into production. It was the bane & Union government was forced to do that job. India failed to invent anything fro 4 centuries(inventions spur industrialisation). Even now Indian industry wants to play safe & isn't adventurous with capital & money. It discouraged foreign investment & new Technology that India will suffer industrially. Thus We were saddled with Ambassador till Sanjay Gandhi saved the country with Suzuki-Maruti & everything changed. In a "sheltered" market producing shoddy goods the local entrepreneurial class was thriving in the name of protection of Indian industries (from quality imports). That shut off infusion of Technology into India. Quality was denied to us. Indian scientists need an opportunity that ISRO provides. DRDO is no less, being constrained to produce only for "Defence". Rocket Science is simpler than the design of aircraft jet engine (People don't know the difference between design & "making" or if "design" is needed at all; For manufacture, design is a must) Investing more on R&D encourages them that neither Union government nor private sector does. It tuns them to scientist-entrepreneurs. Even now that is the big question mark (private sector never buys losing businesses to turn them around). L- H's HAL was nationalised for making fighter aircraft for Defence. Tata Air India as well as all banks were nationalised to provide employment for a starving nation . Situation is much different now. Remember: If private industry doesn't do, it forces public sector to take up that part of industrialisation. It is the Union government that ultimately takes over losing companies (where there is no adequate profit margin) & foots the bill for the good of the country.
@@Aditya1u-i8x I don't subscribe to your empty sloaganeering. It doesn't do any good to the person nor the country. It is a fact, not what you have us believe. Desh bhakti should takes into account Bhukti too. All greatest Indian Nobel laureates (South Indians CV Raman & Ramanujan are exceptions) have made discoveries there, that they wouldn't have if here. Scientists need to work in a Scientific environment where the mind grows to the challenge of new ideas & adventures & not Andha Vishwas. That Euphoria & adulation felt on a new discovery, you can't even imagine in your wildest dreams. You think it is "money". A poor scientist will have to stand in the ration queue all the time. Where is the time nor resources for him for scientific pursuit? Take it from me- there isn't the environment nor challenge in the country. Many who returned have almost starved & couldn't go back as those positions were occupied. Almost all Scientists aren't "discovering" anything but are engaged in running Scientific establishments with lesser & lesser time devoted to Scientific pursuit. Full time scientific pursuit is like a "Tapas". Einstein was without a job for a decade. Ramanujan was a clerk in a godown ! CV Raman was a civil servant (Asst Auditor & Accountant general)to feed himself &family . Another niece of mine, with a PG (IIT) in Metallurgy is now Asst. AG like CV Raman. The country can progress with more Metallurgists (mainly for developing Kaveri Engine). If we were that sound in Science & technology we'd have taken the right decisions way back in 1980s & the country would be producing Electronic "chips" like PRC. I can show you a dozen more failures. Please, for heaven's sake don't preach me patriotism. That way, you suspect patriotic credentials of me (you don't know anything about me) & that is an insult. Preach elsewhere. There are enough number of crores of people for your target audience.
To put succinctly like that aamir khan's advertisement "Kaveri hai right choice baby" For short/immediate solution one could use ge-404 engines , but for long term solution one needs to improve, upgrade the kaveri engines and install it in tejas-mark1a as tejas mark-1a is going to be the ' future work horse" Of 'combat fleet of Iaf.
If we invest 5 - 10 billion dollars in the next 10 years for kaveri engine we can develop a engine with a thrust of 90 kn before 2030 and develop an another variant of 110 kn before 2035 so that we can be self reliant in engine technology.
किसी को ये नहीं पता है कि IAF ने कब-कब क्या-2 Changes demand किए हैं। ये भी संभव है कि Engine की सप्लाई में Delay का पता लगने के बाद IAF ने बाद में कुछ और भी Changes demand कर दिए हों जिस वजह से delivery time line बदली है। जब पहली बार कोई चीज बनाते हैं तो पता नहीं होता है कि कितना समय लगेगा; और वह भी तब जब कि बाद में उसमें कुछ Changes demand कर दिए गए हों। अगर Delay HAL की गलती की वजह से होती तो IAF officially ये बात बोलती।
Bhi Saab changes toh chaltya hee rahtya per jaruree yah hai naa ki pahlya engine toh timly deliver hoo raddar auonix missiles kaa kyya kargya jab engine hee naa melya ground per rakh kar toh challogya nahi naa America delya karwa kar bhart kho deplomatically pressuresed karna chata hai Turkish appnya second hand f16pakistan kho bachagaa jees say pakistan Kay pass aur Jayda f16 hongya aur hum airforce ki kaam hotee sakwedens kaa randi Ronna karr rahhyavhai bhiyya 😮😮😮😮😂😂😂😂 gov kho koi matlab nahi modi jee kuuch nahi kartya rajnath singh bhee kuuch nahi kartta hai
Hume bar bar Russia me testing ke liye jana padta he. Yadi Govt of india, Testing facility provide kar de. To humara bahot time formalities ke naam pe bach jayega..
The GTRE GTX 37-14 UB engine variant in which 89KN thrust was achieved by GTRE shows that GTRE already has developed an engine with ...more than the required thrust-89KN needed for the MK1A. It had a higher bypass ratio as opposed to the current VS variant. Frontal Dia was higher than reqd. So it's just a matter of time that GTRE delivers
Is it possible for Indian civilians to rise funds and donate to GTRE for development of kavari..... Might just be a long waited wake up slap to the government also.
Fund is secondary issue. Primary issue is poor management, unskilled and incompetent workforce with lazy mindset. Devoid of any accountability has made them Jamindars of modern india😊
@@HashiramaSenyuUp until now, nearly all of the previous PM of the country were high class fellows. So applying the same yardstick can we assume that we must kick out all the high class fellows from PMs post for the nation to prosper.
@@gautamganguli1221 looking for more options like RD33 and M33. That could have creat pressure on GE. You can never trust USA. Sometimes words can speak louder than actions.
@@souravdey8221 Not possible to midway switch engines from A to B. The airworthiness certification 📜 takes a long time with many tests to verify the overall system. They really need to speed up the Kaveri program as that is the only thing that Tejas can rely on.
@@souravdey8221 I don't know who the makers are. It will take years to sub-contract them, to develop a test plane after modifications to the structure to accommodate the new engine,test it for performance, get acceptance from IAF-- it will also represent substantial; costs and time.Will IAF agree to bear this? I think not.And then the maker nation may fall out later with India and you have to go through all this again. We tend to blindly blame USA and its so-called ill-will.Having worked with American companies I know they are very strong on contractual obligations. Was there any default on the Indian side?We don't know all the facts. The point being- this is a fault in project management; either HAL or perhaps HA+IAF are responsible . The project manger must take the project forward.It is impossible to change aircraft engines at the drop of a hat.
@@physicsonline8853 it is easy to blame HAL than GE or Indian government. Make a complex engineering project sometimes can delay things. 14 years no funding for kaveri can we blame HAL or IAF for that. IAF is asking for changes before production rollout is it professionalism? HAL assemble parts. Where are the parts? Arrange parts then ask questions. Or HAL deliver aircrafts with spare engines.
Jahan indian airforce abhi tak TEJAS MK1A Kay first aircraft ka wait kar Rahi hai or 80 aircraft ko miltay miltay 2029 tak jainge Pakistan airforce JF17 block 3 Kay 56 birds deliver kar CHUKA hai or December 2024 tak total 73 aircraft deliver hojaingay TEJAS MK2 ko abhi 5 SAAL or AMCA ko 14 SAAL lagainge indian 14 squad PECHAY chal Raha hai MIG22 bison retired jaguar retire mig27 2026 main retire HONGAY PECHAY kia RAHAIGA ???
पड़ोसी के चूल्हे में खाना बनाने का यही नतीजा तो होगा जो कावेरी इंजिन के साथ हुआ.. टेस्टबेड एयरक्राफ्ट क्या सोच कर नही लिया गया.. अरे हां रशियन के यहां सरकारी पैसे से जाने का मजा कुछ अलग ही है
Even if under-powered, "Kaveri" engine is better, dependable and possibly durable than an unpredictable, though very fine F404 engine with many political strings attached. In due course with continual development we can achieve the better specifications that we aim at. Once we mastered the engine Technology (as we did by now, I hope) in strategic Defence matters never ever depend on an uncertain "friend".
Engine development is a continuous ongoing process - all over the world. Even after a particular design is delivered to the manufacturer for production (with a "type" number) it is continually being upgraded with small innovations. The process goes on till another engine design is evolved and so on. It happens all over the world (wherever Engines are designed & developed).
HAL has to be radically improved, quality and caliber of employees, infrastructure, modern sales and public relations etc etc. Govt has to do it, it is the biggest stakeholder.
Jitna time humne sirf rr aur safran me se kisi ek ko choose krne me lga diye ,utna time agar kaveri engine par lga diya hota to ye status nhi hota . Abhi tk choose bhi nhi kiya!
Kaveri is not operational- we don't know it's reliability. Reliability will only be established when the engines are used at scale. kaveri is a not starter and at least 10 years away if we give the funds, we need the engines today.
Why everyone talks about only thrust no. when it comes to kaveri and.. Thrust as well as reliability with life cycle when it comes to RD33?? 😊 I bet kaveri can't survive even 500 hrs
HAL and govt should accept their mistakes and move forward with GE and fast-track the process of Kaveri integration. Unfortunately we have no other option left
Isn't there "liaising" kind of terms used in between these organisations, where HAL is the main role player? Procurement agreement between HAL & GE, as well as between HAL and IAF were signed over what basis? Timelines weren't discussed between these organisations?
Somehow, either somebody from defence ministry or armed forces or both of them 5:48 are responsible for such things in my opinion. I may be totally wrong in my , not wrong in coming to such a conclusion because when it comes to any equipment made in India, the "SO CALLED" testing goes on & on & on. That's why it creates a doubt in our minds about the real intentions. Striker, ATAGS etc. are some of the examples I can think of at the moment
Jbh safaran ne kaha tha ki hot core k ip ko chod k sbh le lo toh ustym le leni chaiye the offer aur ajj plane bhi hote aur aap further negotiate bhi kar pate
Can we have a comparision video of GE F 404/414 AND GE F110 engines ........... and why every international buyer to us always prefer GE F414/404 even when GE F 110 have better specs and is widely used by usa itself for its f16s
HAL is solely responsible for the delay.You are upgrading Tejas 1 aircraft and you don't have engine shortage on this plane.If it is so then why it was not delivered in Feb
sawaal hai jab modi ne kai saalon se kaveri jet engine ki development ki funding hi rok rakhi hai fir kaveri jet engine poori tarha se taiyar kaise hoga.......ye sach hai.🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨
One thing you are not accurate in this video is that DFCC is not something which remains the same from the start, software changes in DFCC are done sometimes during an aircrafts lifespan...maybe they did some changes in the DFCC software which caused the delay in DFCC flying on Mk-1A...
@@soulop8274Bhai kb se GTRE kah rhi 1 billion ki funding de do or humari government ignore kr rhi h jb hm 73 kg Newton ka engine bama sakte tb 81 ka nhi bana sakte h
Zumwalt Class Destroyer के बारे में Detail Video बनाएं और यह भी बताएं कि क्या भारत को Zumwalt Class Destroyer के Design जैसे Stealth Destroyer को बनाना चाहिए या फिर इसी प्रकार के Stealth Frigate बनाना चाहिए ? 😊
Kaveri is stopped.. Tejas is completely failed project... IAF had rejected it because it does not fit on the set standards of IAF...now either to downplay standard of IAF or Reject Tejas... On both sides there is failure...
Baseless and non-sense video. You don't know the real issue. Talk with government officials then you will understand the internal politics running inside the PSUs.
@@gshbdnn2521 the internal politics. Incompetent project managers and outsourcing work to 3rd parties. They delay the work. Also, lack of experience to do reasearch work. From there delay happens.
What are these changes demanded by IAF? Are they really serious about the indigenous efforts? Their motive is doubtful as now demanding some modifications after accepting and placing an order. Improvements can be a continuous exercise. But if IAF is demanding some changes, such people should be looked suspicious and govt should keep an eye on them and their activities!
Question is if we can't make these state of the art equipments why we are funding millions in our IITs and NITs only for the top students to leave India. Why not make it mandatory for graduates from these institutions a 5 years mandatory Job / internship at Indian company in India. Also why govt isn't developing these engines in war footing I don't know.
Are you paid by foreign country? Your report is bad. Don't blame and downgrade Bharat and arm forces. Do you have courage to say that US is playing dirty games of delay to stop Tejas program completely? No because how can (a dog) you be disloyal to your pay master?
Why only hal responsible for delay . Is IAF is not responsible for delay in last minute u wake up and said we needs some changes IAF has to wrok with hal to minimize the delay
If someone initiate donation for kaveri engine development every defence enthusiasts will give money ... we have tk be self reliant in engine tech.. or else we will always be blackmailed by foreign ckuntries...
Defense PSU’s and inefficiency goes hand in hand 😭😭 most of their equipment is below average and running decade late with over budgets showing the corruption and incompetence of Indian government employees who are assured of salary and can’t be fired based on performance because of govt job structure 🤦
आप तो GE के पिछे पड़े है संत ख़बर किस लिए नहीं पत्ते HAL Tejas 1 तो दें सकते थे पहले भी GE जिम्मेदार था HAL ने Tejas को बना देने में 20,25 साल लगा दिया 😂😅
It's common in India, we demand 7th gen technology at 4th gen price. But if it is imported then we can pay Double. And not last minute in last second we demand changes so that we can create room for foreign vendor. I support HAL , DRDO, .......
That's why IAF should be made aware that it's not just selecting the best equipment but fitting their purchase into the larger strategic plan of self-sufficiency in critical technologies.
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@@RaveSharrmaKya Galat Comment Kiya be usne?
He is exactly correct
@tktechbytanmoy9347
You're brilliant.
Kaveri engine is a must. Let's invest 5billion doller in Kaveri in phased manner for next 5 years
How funny you are😂😂😂😂😂 let invest 😂😂😂😂😂😂how childish
@@tesoridellasia
What is funny in it?
@@tesoridellasiahotspot of Pakistani bot abe $5 billion sahi mein hote hain hamare pass hain aur ham Laga sakte hain😂😂😂😂😂
Govt is also to blame, why no funding was provided for Kaveri for 10-15 years. US can ditch us any time as they don't want that our aircraft manufacturing capability should grow.
first make a proper rifle beggers🤣🤣🤣🤣
That’s why Abdul Kalam ji said that we need to work on local technology. If we depend on foreign countries we will be enslaved again
I think it is good that GE delay is good for India. Cryogenic engine related restrictions led to INDIA building its own engine. GE delay will pave the way for AMCA & TEDBF.
Wasn't it sabotaged to oblivion?
Bhikyo chutiappya walee battya kartta hai joh tum project Kay naam Genna rahha hai whohvsab f414ge per based hai bhiya humkho tajas say appni kaam hotee sakwedens puree karnee hai tarya think karnya say gantaa bhee fark nahi partta appnya chutiappya walee battya appnya pass rakh layy 😅😮😮😮😮😅😅😅😅😅 aur tujkho patta nahi hai kyaa bhart kaa colibration mayy bannya wala engine 2035 say pahlya nahi ayygaa tab tak sallya hum gantta hellyabgya kyya kabi toh logic ki battya keyyavkar bhi chutiappya ki batt karnee hai tujjkho
Test facility hai nahi. Kaha se Kaveri pe work karenge? Wind tunnels nahi hai flying test bed nahi hai Russia le jana padta hai. Aise thode engine banta hai.
Bhai hypersonic wind tunnel hai India me, Test facility nahi hai wo main baat hai
@@foodietour8313 vo different hai
Bhi Saab yah toh akaree ki xheejya hai jab aur reserch Kay leyya Paisa chiya thaa toh modi gov nay funding rokk kar iskyo scrap kar deyya chlo Maan leyya ki yah kabar thaa per modi nay dus sallo say raffles mrfa deal kyo lattkai aur fir 114 units ki jagah kawal 36 raffles hee karedya aur chup bath kar bakchodi hee kartya rahya agar Jayda units lattya toh aaj aisi katrnak situation toh naa hotee bhiya
Flying test bed ki sakth jarurat hai
@@bineetgupta bhai bakchodi to Airforce bhi kar hi Rahi hai,
Itne saare aircraft aur fighter jets hai dedo koi ek.
Jab DRDO ne Su30, Mig29, Il76 manga to sabke liye mana kar diya inhone aur inko sab cheej time pe chahie
Defence matrix and Alpha defence should create joint podcast
Phle Yeh dono apas me to sulta le
No thanks.. One is realist and other is blind psu worshipper.
We don't want controversy.
Follow doctrine of govt institutions..
Do nothing and there will be no appreciation or criticism😊
Tum Dange karwa doge podcast mei aur kuch nahi hoga😅😅😅
@@nishantshrivastava9674Bhai kon realist hay or kon psu worshipper?
Alfa better h @@sankalp344
Kaveri engine should get more funding
Yah batt modi jee samjatya toh yah project duss saal delya toh nahi hotta 2014 15 may modejee nay iski funding band kar scrap kar deyya aur America France aur England Kay talwaya chatnya laggya aur aaj tak engine complete nahi huaa naa mrfa deal Kay tahat raffles hee aaya aur abb hum bahut katrak situation may fass cukkya hai mig 21 jagwar aur Miraj hattna jaruree hai chlo Miraj kho chorr bhee dayy per baki Kay dono kho hattna hee hogga sparespart nahi meel rahya aur jagwer kaavengine under power hai airframe bhee kharb fees cukka hai tajasvki delivery tynatee bahut late hoo gai kyo ki American paisya lannya Kay baaojuud timly ge 414 engine supply nahi karr rahha hai
@@kanhyasah6342Hal bosadike ,modi aane ke baad hi deffence sector itna takathewer Bana. Khangress govt tho baki sectors ke sath deffence sector ko bhi loot liya .
I have always criticized HAL but I don't think HAL is at fault this time.. HAL is doing great with software updates and engine availability
@pravinmeher2036
Engine is developed by GTRE (DRDO) and will have to be produced in a factory rather than converting GTRE to a factory. HAL (its both Engine divisions, one at Bengaluru and the other at Sunabeda, Odisha) have been making/manufacturing/producing Engines, tailor-made (& associated with) to their particular aircraft like various Western brands or MiG21/Su3 "under license" from the design and manufacturing "drawings", supplied by those original designers (design firms). HAL produced/made that way, thousands of engines over the last half a century, at least. In India, "manufacturing" engines is a continuous saga. But I must first find an engine "design". In due course that time, "GTRE" can be that time-tested "designer", & HAL the manufacturer; I hope. That is the procedure.
I am making efforts to explain as to how an (Aero) gets delivered to be fitted to a "particular" fighter jet aircraft.
As there were no "Aircraft"designers in India, HAL had to don the cap of "designer" (here is a huge deign bureau) to meet the requirements that can't avoided. ADA is the first fully0uathenticated "desugn bureau (on par with Mikoyan-Gurevich - MiG, Sukoi-Su, Antonov-An, Tupolev-Tu or whatever). Yet, HAL can't "design" an engine and it is impossible to make/manufacture/produce an engine, without a design document set.
Aur rakho American per dependency kuttya hai haramjaydya hai Sally pakistanio kho f16kay engine supply karwatya hai turkey Kay through aur abb turkey second hand f16 pakistan kho gift daggaa Bhi Saab saree galtee gov ki hai hal kyya karya engine aayangya tab hee toh tajas urragaa ki jameen per yah hanger may kharya airframe may missiles auonix raddar laggya chlo lagga bhee deyya per Beena engine yah kees kaam Kay bhart aaj twin varient tajas tyar kartta toh yahh randi Ronna toh nahi hotta France Kay saffron engine 75kn walya lag jattya naa aur aggya chal 73kn walya engine bhee lag saktya thyy per hamree gov funds hee nahi datee bhi
absolutely spot on. about HAL....gol gol ghumane se better hai truth bole..but Khi na khi HAL bhi responsible hai..about latest integration of tech...jo suspected lag rha hai..fir GE ke delY k fayada..liya gya....
Organisations like BHEL and ISRO should be involved for future development of Kaveri engines.
Kaveri engine project was as precious as Brahmos project. If we can develop worlds most powerful missiles, then we can also develop jet engines. DRDO needs time for development, but kaveri project was sent back to cold box many times. Its high time our government should start investment in R&D rather than depending on west 😊
@sidsharmaa
One of my nephews is a M.Tech. in Mech. Engineering. His thesis was "computational hydrodynamics" (Aerodynamics is a variant of Hydro dynamics). The topic can be extremely useful in the complexities of design for Jet (Gas turbine) engine. I suggested he join GTRE (one needs to compete, prove his qualifications, to be in it). He ignored it & went to America. Now he is earning a fat salary (in Silicon Valley - San Jose). But more than that, he is excited about his work- the opportunities offered in innovation and an all-appreciative customer-base that doesn't want him to leave America. Can we replicate them here?
@@MrPoornakumaryes sir that kind of environment and eco-system is hard to replicate in India and more so in public sector units which predominantly controls aeronautical sectors in India though isro which somehow is associated with Aeronautics and rocket science seems to be, an exception to it.
@@MrPoornakumar Seems like your nephew is not deshbhakt enough. There may indeed be opportunities in America, but a true patriot would choose to work for their own country, irrespective of the level of appreciation received. However, It's NOT that they won't be appreciated or recognized at all for making breakthroughs for India, but it's true that they may not be paid as much. So, the issue is more about compensation than appreciation. Ultimately, not everyone can be like Bhabha or Abdul Kalam, who prioritized India's greatness over financial rewards.
@@sigma-sigma1
Allow me to offer explanations, before painting the public sector with a black brush.
At the time of independence, there was no money neither with the government nor the public. Being the one with lot more money the Union government had to embark on "industrialisation" as a welfare measure & as service to the citizens, which precludes "profit". That was the flaw.
With poor marks in Science there was no chance of entrepreneur scientists like Bell, Edison or Tesla (besides strong societal reasons). Most investors are (petty) traders from whom you can't expect to industrialise the country. Only patriotism can't industrise (as events proved). The only +point was Lalchand Hirachand. During WW II, when there was a need to overhaul allied military aircraft he opened a factory at Bengaluru (HAL). Not only that, he pioneered ship-building at Visakhapattanam, as well as a car factory (with Italian FIAT Technology). As trading offered safe & huge profits (huge population) none went into production. It was the bane & Union government was forced to do that job. India failed to invent anything fro 4 centuries(inventions spur industrialisation). Even now Indian industry wants to play safe & isn't adventurous with capital & money. It discouraged foreign investment & new Technology that India will suffer industrially. Thus We were saddled with Ambassador till Sanjay Gandhi saved the country with Suzuki-Maruti & everything changed. In a "sheltered" market producing shoddy goods the local entrepreneurial class was thriving in the name of protection of Indian industries (from quality imports). That shut off infusion of Technology into India. Quality was denied to us.
Indian scientists need an opportunity that ISRO provides. DRDO is no less, being constrained to produce only for "Defence". Rocket Science is simpler than the design of aircraft jet engine (People don't know the difference between design & "making" or if "design" is needed at all; For manufacture, design is a must) Investing more on R&D encourages them that neither Union government nor private sector does. It tuns them to scientist-entrepreneurs. Even now that is the big question mark (private sector never buys losing businesses to turn them around). L- H's HAL was nationalised for making fighter aircraft for Defence. Tata Air India as well as all banks were nationalised to provide employment for a starving nation . Situation is much different now.
Remember: If private industry doesn't do, it forces public sector to take up that part of industrialisation. It is the Union government that ultimately takes over losing companies (where there is no adequate profit margin) & foots the bill for the good of the country.
@@Aditya1u-i8x
I don't subscribe to your empty sloaganeering. It doesn't do any good to the person nor the country. It is a fact, not what you have us believe. Desh bhakti should takes into account Bhukti too. All greatest Indian Nobel laureates (South Indians CV Raman & Ramanujan are exceptions) have made discoveries there, that they wouldn't have if here. Scientists need to work in a Scientific environment where the mind grows to the challenge of new ideas & adventures & not Andha Vishwas. That Euphoria & adulation felt on a new discovery, you can't even imagine in your wildest dreams. You think it is "money". A poor scientist will have to stand in the ration queue all the time. Where is the time nor resources for him for scientific pursuit? Take it from me- there isn't the environment nor challenge in the country. Many who returned have almost starved & couldn't go back as those positions were occupied. Almost all Scientists aren't "discovering" anything but are engaged in running Scientific establishments with lesser & lesser time devoted to Scientific pursuit. Full time scientific pursuit is like a "Tapas". Einstein was without a job for a decade. Ramanujan was a clerk in a godown ! CV Raman was a civil servant (Asst Auditor & Accountant general)to feed himself &family . Another niece of mine, with a PG (IIT) in Metallurgy is now Asst. AG like CV Raman. The country can progress with more Metallurgists (mainly for developing Kaveri Engine). If we were that sound in Science & technology we'd have taken the right decisions way back in 1980s & the country would be producing Electronic "chips" like PRC. I can show you a dozen more failures.
Please, for heaven's sake don't preach me patriotism. That way, you suspect patriotic credentials of me (you don't know anything about me) & that is an insult. Preach elsewhere. There are enough number of crores of people for your target audience.
Gtre will be game changer for indian aerospace
To put succinctly like that aamir khan's advertisement
"Kaveri hai right choice baby"
For short/immediate solution one could use ge-404 engines , but for long term solution one needs to improve, upgrade the kaveri engines and install it in tejas-mark1a as tejas mark-1a is going to be the ' future work horse" Of 'combat fleet of Iaf.
India cannot afford to live on the "eternal meherbaani of usa
If we invest 5 - 10 billion dollars in the next 10 years for kaveri engine we can develop a engine with a thrust of 90 kn before 2030 and develop an another variant of 110 kn before 2035 so that we can be self reliant in engine technology.
किसी को ये नहीं पता है कि IAF ने कब-कब क्या-2 Changes demand किए हैं। ये भी संभव है कि Engine की सप्लाई में Delay का पता लगने के बाद IAF ने बाद में कुछ और भी Changes demand कर दिए हों जिस वजह से delivery time line बदली है। जब पहली बार कोई चीज बनाते हैं तो पता नहीं होता है कि कितना समय लगेगा; और वह भी तब जब कि बाद में उसमें कुछ Changes demand कर दिए गए हों। अगर Delay HAL की गलती की वजह से होती तो IAF officially ये बात बोलती।
The changes may have nothing to do with the engine 🚂
Pr changes ki wajah se delay hoti hai kyuki Nye changes ki wajah se fir testing krni padti hai@@mtrest4
Bhi Saab changes toh chaltya hee rahtya per jaruree yah hai naa ki pahlya engine toh timly deliver hoo raddar auonix missiles kaa kyya kargya jab engine hee naa melya ground per rakh kar toh challogya nahi naa America delya karwa kar bhart kho deplomatically pressuresed karna chata hai Turkish appnya second hand f16pakistan kho bachagaa jees say pakistan Kay pass aur Jayda f16 hongya aur hum airforce ki kaam hotee sakwedens kaa randi Ronna karr rahhyavhai bhiyya 😮😮😮😮😂😂😂😂 gov kho koi matlab nahi modi jee kuuch nahi kartya rajnath singh bhee kuuch nahi kartta hai
Hume bar bar Russia me testing ke liye jana padta he.
Yadi Govt of india, Testing facility provide kar de. To humara bahot time formalities ke naam pe bach jayega..
@DhavalPrajapati-w8h
Aap kahanese agar Govt of India, man jati`hai - to acchi baat hai.
HAL is not at all fault, support our indian manufacturing. Buthurt IAF not getting international orders kickbacks
HAL should probably have funded Kaveri atleast partly. Anyways LD clause should be enforced on HAL. Whether they fine GE should not matter.
The GTRE GTX 37-14 UB engine variant in which 89KN thrust was achieved by GTRE shows that GTRE already has developed an engine with ...more than the required thrust-89KN needed for the MK1A. It had a higher bypass ratio as opposed to the current VS variant. Frontal Dia was higher than reqd. So it's just a matter of time that GTRE delivers
Bhai, source please.
Is it possible for Indian civilians to rise funds and donate to GTRE for development of kavari.....
Might just be a long waited wake up slap to the government also.
Corruption
Fund is secondary issue.
Primary issue is poor management, unskilled and incompetent workforce with lazy mindset.
Devoid of any accountability has made them Jamindars of modern india😊
There will be a reservation category officer like puja khadekar waiting to gulp the fund you donated. 😂. The system is fkd up. Believe me
@@HashiramaSenyu 🤣 point...
@@HashiramaSenyuUp until now, nearly all of the previous PM of the country were high class fellows. So applying the same yardstick can we assume that we must kick out all the high class fellows from PMs post for the nation to prosper.
No one is questioning GE. It's govt to govt deal. Why there is no plan B?
And that would be?
@@gautamganguli1221 looking for more options like RD33 and M33. That could have creat pressure on GE. You can never trust USA. Sometimes words can speak louder than actions.
@@souravdey8221
Not possible to midway switch engines from A to B.
The airworthiness certification 📜 takes a long time with many tests to verify the overall system.
They really need to speed up the Kaveri program as that is the only thing that Tejas can rely on.
@@souravdey8221
I don't know who the makers are. It will take years to sub-contract them, to develop a test plane after modifications to the structure to accommodate the new engine,test it for performance, get acceptance from IAF-- it will also represent substantial; costs and time.Will IAF agree to bear this? I think not.And then the maker nation may fall out later with India and you have to go through all this again.
We tend to blindly blame USA and its so-called ill-will.Having worked with American companies I know they are very strong on contractual obligations. Was there any default on the Indian side?We don't know all the facts.
The point being- this is a fault in project management; either HAL or perhaps HA+IAF are responsible . The project manger must take the project forward.It is impossible to change aircraft engines at the drop of a hat.
@@physicsonline8853 it is easy to blame HAL than GE or Indian government. Make a complex engineering project sometimes can delay things. 14 years no funding for kaveri can we blame HAL or IAF for that. IAF is asking for changes before production rollout is it professionalism? HAL assemble parts. Where are the parts? Arrange parts then ask questions. Or HAL deliver aircrafts with spare engines.
💪🕉️💪🇮🇳💪 Yes we can. Jai Hind.
Ganta we can kaisya sambhalgga kartya kaa business Munna 😮😅😅😅😊😊 kaha say ayyangya engins batt batta
Jahan indian airforce abhi tak TEJAS MK1A Kay first aircraft ka wait kar Rahi hai or 80 aircraft ko miltay miltay 2029 tak jainge Pakistan airforce JF17 block 3 Kay 56 birds deliver kar CHUKA hai or December 2024 tak total 73 aircraft deliver hojaingay TEJAS MK2 ko abhi 5 SAAL or AMCA ko 14 SAAL lagainge indian 14 squad PECHAY chal Raha hai MIG22 bison retired jaguar retire mig27 2026 main retire HONGAY PECHAY kia RAHAIGA ???
Toh kyya huaa hery Potter ki jaruu bandh kar Pakistani aur chinesvstlth fighter kaa mukabla hogga modi saffai abiyyan jarur hoggaa❤😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😢😢😢😮😮😅
पड़ोसी के चूल्हे में खाना बनाने का यही नतीजा तो होगा जो कावेरी इंजिन के साथ हुआ..
टेस्टबेड एयरक्राफ्ट क्या सोच कर नही लिया गया..
अरे हां रशियन के यहां सरकारी पैसे से जाने का मजा कुछ अलग ही है
If Tatas cancel all the Boeing orders, it’s a good diplomatic statement.
Let's watch August15.
I was curious, if everything is getting delayed than what do they do with the defence budget other than paying salaries?
Thanks for this clarity
Even if under-powered, "Kaveri" engine is better, dependable and possibly durable than an unpredictable, though very fine F404 engine with many political strings attached. In due course with continual development we can achieve the better specifications that we aim at.
Once we mastered the engine Technology (as we did by now, I hope) in strategic Defence matters never ever depend on an uncertain "friend".
Good explanation. 👍🏻👍🏻
Bilkul sahi bol rahe ho bhai to fir
After 100 years, Kaveri engine development is in still progress.
@StayHealthy363
Engine development is a continuous ongoing process - all over the world. Even after a particular design is delivered to the manufacturer for production (with a "type" number) it is continually being upgraded with small innovations. The process goes on till another engine design is evolved and so on. It happens all over the world (wherever Engines are designed & developed).
500 saal
"Hum Sudrenge nahi" seems to be our motto when it comes to weapons indigenisation
Bhi tum kettna sudhrya hoo 😅😅😅😅
When indians gives priority to CSE over metallurgy then u can't make engine's....
Defence Matrix, you are totally correct in this analysis. Thanks.
HAL has to be radically improved, quality and caliber of employees, infrastructure, modern sales and public relations etc etc. Govt has to do it, it is the biggest stakeholder.
@forkinpig
There is always scope for improvement in every Technology - more so in Aviation. It is a continual process that never ceases.
Yes we must have done agreement to manufacture GE 404 while placing the order
Government 💯 percent defence supporter hai, jo kitna bhi paisa kharch karke engine ip and tot khareed legi!!! Toh phir samasya kahan aa rahi hai.
Jitna time humne sirf rr aur safran me se kisi ek ko choose krne me lga diye ,utna time agar kaveri engine par lga diya hota to ye status nhi hota .
Abhi tk choose bhi nhi kiya!
Kaveri is not operational- we don't know it's reliability. Reliability will only be established when the engines are used at scale. kaveri is a not starter and at least 10 years away if we give the funds, we need the engines today.
Why everyone talks about only thrust no. when it comes to kaveri and..
Thrust as well as reliability with life cycle when it comes to RD33?? 😊
I bet kaveri can't survive even 500 hrs
Unbelibebal 😮
What??😂
We must focus on France..they are reliable partner in defence development.
HAL and govt should accept their mistakes and move forward with GE and fast-track the process of Kaveri integration. Unfortunately we have no other option left
M88 engine which is used in rafale.
Import ko accomodate karene k liye Plan B v ho jayega
Isn't there "liaising" kind of terms used in between these organisations, where HAL is the main role player?
Procurement agreement between HAL & GE, as well as between HAL and IAF were signed over what basis? Timelines weren't discussed between these organisations?
Somehow, either somebody from defence ministry or armed forces or both of them 5:48 are responsible for such things in my opinion. I may be totally wrong in my , not wrong in coming to such a conclusion because when it comes to any equipment made in India, the "SO CALLED" testing goes on & on & on. That's why it creates a doubt in our minds about the real intentions. Striker, ATAGS etc. are some of the examples I can think of at the moment
कौन नही जानता की अमेरिका के कारण ही तेजस 20 साल देर से सेना में शामिल हुआ फिर वही ड्रामा। विकल्प पहले से क्यों नही देखे ।
Jbh safaran ne kaha tha ki hot core k ip ko chod k sbh le lo toh ustym le leni chaiye the offer aur ajj plane bhi hote aur aap further negotiate bhi kar pate
kaveri engine project must be funded will no limit ..it's a priority national security issue.
Can we have a comparision video of GE F 404/414 AND GE F110 engines ........... and why every international buyer to us always prefer GE F414/404 even when GE F 110 have better specs and is widely used by usa itself for its f16s
We don't have long term view. Same will happen with AMCA, It will be scrapped and then we will import from USA or Russia
We are hopeful about Tejas .
HAL is solely responsible for the delay.You are upgrading Tejas 1 aircraft and you don't have engine shortage on this plane.If it is so then why it was not delivered in Feb
sawaal hai jab modi ne kai saalon se kaveri jet engine ki development ki funding hi rok rakhi hai fir kaveri jet engine poori tarha se taiyar kaise hoga.......ye sach hai.🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨
Engine delay hai , to kya aircraft frame delay kyu ye bhi America me bante hai kya 😵💫
DRDO is only responsible for even this delay in T mk1a. Why we need GE engines afterall??
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One thing you are not accurate in this video is that DFCC is not something which remains the same from the start, software changes in DFCC are done sometimes during an aircrafts lifespan...maybe they did some changes in the DFCC software which caused the delay in DFCC flying on Mk-1A...
DFCC was brand new, with more processing power and a brand new processor itself
Engine delay by whom GE? Or DRDO?? Forgetting conveniently.
Hindus gave 3600 cr for Ram Mandir. But if All communities donate i think we can atleast collect 1 billion USD for jet Engine
Bhai funds issue nahi he but engine banane ki capability
Instead make it. compulsory 3 year service in R&D for IITians. You'll get your jet engines in first 3 years.
@@soulop8274atche se funding bhi nahi hui hain. Itna kam paise se kuch nahi hota. Facilitate bhi karna parta hain. And testing facilities bhi chahiye
@@soulop8274Bhai kb se GTRE kah rhi 1 billion ki funding de do or humari government ignore kr rhi h jb hm 73 kg Newton ka engine bama sakte tb 81 ka nhi bana sakte h
Bro peso ki kami nahi hai.. muje inke intentions par Shaq hai
Modi & Rajnath Singh have attained retirwment age.
Zumwalt Class Destroyer के बारे में Detail Video बनाएं और यह भी बताएं कि क्या भारत को Zumwalt Class Destroyer के Design जैसे Stealth Destroyer को बनाना चाहिए या फिर इसी प्रकार के Stealth Frigate बनाना चाहिए ?
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Kaveri....Kaveri....Kaveri....
Kaveri is stopped.. Tejas is completely failed project... IAF had rejected it because it does not fit on the set standards of IAF...now either to downplay standard of IAF or Reject Tejas... On both sides there is failure...
China is developing 6th Gen fighter aircraft, India is struggling with Tejas MK1 now becoming vintage by 2024.
Baseless and non-sense video. You don't know the real issue. Talk with government officials then you will understand the internal politics running inside the PSUs.
So why HLA gives false time lines?
@@gshbdnn2521 the internal politics. Incompetent project managers and outsourcing work to 3rd parties. They delay the work. Also, lack of experience to do reasearch work. From there delay happens.
IAF IS ALSO RESPONSIBLE. SHAYAD F404 KI TOT ISILIYE NAHI LI GAYI KYUKI HUM KAVERI PAR CONFIDENT HAI.
What are these changes demanded by IAF? Are they really serious about the indigenous efforts? Their motive is doubtful as now demanding some modifications after accepting and placing an order. Improvements can be a continuous exercise. But if IAF is demanding some changes, such people should be looked suspicious and govt should keep an eye on them and their activities!
Edging so hard to this rn
Bharat must focus on own jet engine. No other countries can be trusted.
Engineers are actually stuck in Bengaluru traffic 😂
Government organization dont complete work on time its hard truth........
This situation sucks.
Why no penalty on GE
Question is if we can't make these state of the art equipments why we are funding millions in our IITs and NITs only for the top students to leave India.
Why not make it mandatory for graduates from these institutions a 5 years mandatory Job / internship at Indian company in India.
Also why govt isn't developing these engines in war footing I don't know.
We are search multiple options
Are you paid by foreign country? Your report is bad. Don't blame and downgrade Bharat and arm forces. Do you have courage to say that US is playing dirty games of delay to stop Tejas program completely?
No because
how can (a dog) you be disloyal to your pay master?
samay ke saath sab badlega😐
I think HAL is making IAF HAAL very worst... it's so unfortunate
Why we r focusing on GE i mean there are other companies in America which produce engines..
A delay is better than half baked product
First comment
Korean get it through private company and not government entity
Korean Govt has stakes in KAI
Bhaiya HAl tho 1 saal me hi 50,000 crore se 3.5 lakh crore ki company ho gayi hai..🥲🥲🙃🙃 funds ka crunch tho yaha khi bhi dikhai nhi deta
Why only hal responsible for delay . Is IAF is not responsible for delay in last minute u wake up and said we needs some changes IAF has to wrok with hal to minimize the delay
please watch the video first, we have addressed the issue you are pointing out.
@@DefenceMatrix what do u think about kaveri engine . Should we work in increasing the thrust or Start a new project
Ye halat hone ke bad bhi pata nhi HAL kese full besharmi se Tejas ko export ke liye offer karta hai
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I feel.we should start thinking again about russian jets.
Kaveri ek Nadi ka nam hai astr me kuch aur nam rakna chahiye tho cheeje badl sakta hai ise pahunchayen HAL
Nahi hame koshish Karni chahiye ki mk1a ki jagah mk2 kharide
Indian govt is like-R&D mein kharacha karu jhat bhar,aur make in India or made in India ke baatein choodu raat bhar🙏🙏🙏
If someone initiate donation for kaveri engine development every defence enthusiasts will give money ... we have tk be self reliant in engine tech.. or else we will always be blackmailed by foreign ckuntries...
Jet engines should be developed by isro
Defense PSU’s and inefficiency goes hand in hand 😭😭 most of their equipment is below average and running decade late with over budgets showing the corruption and incompetence of Indian government employees who are assured of salary and can’t be fired based on performance because of govt job structure 🤦
After develop kaveri engine we can develop twine engine aircraft before sign MRFA 2.0 deal 😅😅
If we are not accept American fighter for mrfa project us will make type of engine delivery disturbance.....they mean business.......
We must avoid such unreliable partners.
Can we afford such lags?
आप तो GE के पिछे पड़े है संत ख़बर किस लिए नहीं पत्ते HAL Tejas 1 तो दें सकते थे पहले भी GE जिम्मेदार था HAL ने Tejas को बना देने में 20,25 साल लगा दिया 😂😅
Never ever depend on USA in defence equipment