Cold Hardy Figs: Chicago Hardy and Sao Miguel Roxo (Azores Dark)

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  • Опубликовано: 11 дек 2024

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  • @TheMillennialGardener
    @TheMillennialGardener  5 лет назад +2

    Follow me on Twitter @NCGardening for garden updates and photos! twitter.com/NCGardening

    • @shashakeeleh5468
      @shashakeeleh5468 4 года назад

      Afternoon! what wood are you using as mulch in your containers/ I have shredded Cyprus, but it's pretty fine, so, not sure about it.

    • @TheMillennialGardener
      @TheMillennialGardener  4 года назад +1

      @@shashakeeleh5468 anything natural is fine. You can use pine bark nuggets, cypress, shredded hardwood bark, cedar - it doesn't matter. Just don't use a dyed mulch, rubber mulch or something synthetic. As long as it is a 100% natural product, you're fine.

    • @shashakeeleh5468
      @shashakeeleh5468 4 года назад

      @@TheMillennialGardener Thank you. Have a great weekend!

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      @youseftaylor2776 3 года назад

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      @leightonpaxton6504 3 года назад

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  • @jesusv.5828
    @jesusv.5828 3 года назад +4

    I have my Chicago hardy growing in the ground in a rised bed in Texas and , every year just get better and better it rivals any other well known figs . I also love the compact size of this tree .

    • @TheMillennialGardener
      @TheMillennialGardener  3 года назад +1

      If you like Chicago Hardy, I recommend looking into the Sao Miguel Roxo. It's sort of like an "improved" version. It's similar in many respects, but it's larger, sweeter and has a richer flavor. It's pretty good if you like red berry figs.

    • @jesusv.5828
      @jesusv.5828 3 года назад

      @@TheMillennialGardener 👍

    • @kicknadeadcat
      @kicknadeadcat Год назад +1

      Mine is not compact it's large. Grows nine feet in a year from almost total die back.

    • @jesusv.5828
      @jesusv.5828 Год назад +1

      @@kicknadeadcat Chicago hardy fig has a very high cold tolerance and compact grow habit . Mine have withstand very cold temps for up to a week and never died back or suffer any cold damage at all . Yours is probably not the same fig variety .

  • @gefeng5312
    @gefeng5312 3 года назад +4

    My potted chicago hardy is a second year tree in 7A. They are consistently 30-40gram. CH is a great variety.

  • @robertsine2159
    @robertsine2159 5 лет назад +9

    I believe that you cannot duplicate in the ground- vs in a pot.

    • @kicknadeadcat
      @kicknadeadcat Год назад

      I believe you can. Same soil ,moisture, Sun and fertilizer. No difference in taste. Just a smaller tree. I have both in pot and inground. Even the size of fruit is the same. And mine taste very good.

  • @newbiegarden
    @newbiegarden 5 лет назад +9

    Chicago Hardy is an amazing fig. Maybe it's that yours is in a pot. I hope your audience reads this comments so they know there are different opinions.

    • @TheSUale
      @TheSUale 5 лет назад +4

      My Chicago Hardy is in ground. Gives a sugar punch when fully ripe. A consistent long season bearer when fertilized well. A well shaped dwarf tree .

    • @TheMillennialGardener
      @TheMillennialGardener  5 лет назад +1

      That's interesting. It is the only variety so far that isn't very tasty for me. I guess my thought is even if it takes a few years to get good, there are so many that are good right away it isn't worth it to me to wait. I was hoping for better.

    • @newbiegarden
      @newbiegarden 5 лет назад +2

      @@TheSUale I agree. My inground is first year from a cutting and has grown beautifully and producing figs almost daily. Right now it has about 60 figs on it, from 3-6 figs ripening daily.

  • @someguy621
    @someguy621 5 лет назад +7

    There are only two people that push this fig, one of whom is a known and for some reason accepted scam artist. Shout out to the kid ross. A hardy chicago is a hardy chicago no matter what name someone gives it. Some are slighly larger, some slightly smaller, the varying degrees of taste relate to small differences in soil, nutrients, light, heat, etc... It is not bc someone gave a known variety a new name to make money or to feel like a fig pioneer. Hardy chicago is a good solid fig that can always be relied upon, ive never tasted a bad hardy chicago, that being said ive never tasted a great hardy chicago either. My advice to anyone new to figs, steer away from ALL varieties ross mentions bc its just a hype train. As seen by this video, anyone who has grown figs for more than a few years can attest to this unless they are a groupie, of which there are many. One love.

    • @enricozeppieri3235
      @enricozeppieri3235 5 лет назад

      Can i grow figi tree in the filippine

    • @someguy621
      @someguy621 5 лет назад

      @@enricozeppieri3235 you need to find varieties that suit your environmental conditions

    • @newbiegarden
      @newbiegarden 5 лет назад +1

      Gotta love Chicago Hardy. It's a reliable, great tasting little fig.

    • @georgejetsen809
      @georgejetsen809 2 года назад

      Your response I feel is genuine and true and I feel you know what you are talking thru experience. Our world has become so fake and money driven, it is hard to have an honest exchange. We are surrounded by scam artists and cheats. I am new to figs and live in 7a zone and have fig fever. After eating fresh figs for the first time I was hooked. What figs would you say are hardy but are worth growing for taste and productivity? I would really value your response 👍 for I to have been beguiled by the ramblings of Ross. (The Joe Isuzu of figs) m

  • @robertsine2159
    @robertsine2159 5 лет назад +3

    I have a Chicago Hardy here in Richmond, VA. You probably should plant them in the ground, mine are bigger and delicious!

    • @TheMillennialGardener
      @TheMillennialGardener  5 лет назад +1

      Robert Sine how large do yours get? I’m sure they get larger with time, but I’m wary of investing years into a tree when other varieties are better and larger immediately.

  • @natejansen892
    @natejansen892 3 месяца назад

    I live in Michigan and grow Chicago hardy. My plants are 3 years old and in the ground. I get tons of figs they grow about 6 or 7 ft tall

  • @Cloneufc
    @Cloneufc Год назад

    Container size and soil can make a huge difference in the taste. Even the container drying out once can affect the translocation of sugar. They really need to be in the ground.

  • @mred3608
    @mred3608 5 лет назад +1

    Thanks for your honest opinion on those figs. Hope they improve. I just repotted my black genoa yesterday. The tree the cutting came off was awesome in its vitality and crop so I have my fingers crossed. Am fertilizing following your regime.

  • @artport7
    @artport7 5 лет назад +4

    Give those Chicago Hardy a chance.... mine are two years old this year and mine have been much larger and very delicious .. They DO get bigger.. believe me. It takes at least three years for a fig tree to mature and have full flavor and size.

    • @TheMillennialGardener
      @TheMillennialGardener  5 лет назад +1

      I totally believe that. I don't know if it is worth it to me, though. I am in Zone 8, so nearly any fig variety can survive in-ground here. If you're in Zones 6 and 7, it's probably totally worth it to invest in a Chicago Hardy, but with varieties like Smith, I-258, Black Madeira, the Col de Dame's, any many more that are immediately delicious and larger, I don't see myself investing years into a tree to get good fruit.

    • @artport7
      @artport7 5 лет назад

      @@TheMillennialGardener Yeah, I get that... zone 8 is good for so many more varieties... and like you said, it would be good root stock.

    • @GerardGibney3
      @GerardGibney3 4 года назад

      @@TheMillennialGardener you must not grow any exotics then. A lot of tropical fruit trees many of us grow take years to fruit no matter what, regardless of graft status or seed.

    • @TheMillennialGardener
      @TheMillennialGardener  4 года назад +1

      @@GerardGibney3 I meant specifically fig trees. They fruit very quickly, and I want varieties that are top notch immediately. I have plenty of other trees I'm investing in long-term: citrus, avocado, pineapple guava, this year I intend to add pawpaws...they take years to produce and hold fruit.

  • @kicknadeadcat
    @kicknadeadcat Год назад

    I have one in the ground. Last season was the second season. Died all the way back to about a foot. Came back with about 12 or more branches that I thinned out to 6. Grew 9' and produced about 30 figs. That were medium sized 35 grams or so very good berry flavor. I expect a lot more this year.

  • @rosemarybushea3517
    @rosemarybushea3517 Год назад

    Interesting, since I'm in NC (west) also and my Chicago Hardy is delicious.

  • @billmccaffrey1977
    @billmccaffrey1977 5 лет назад +9

    I grow a lot of different fruits including figs and its my experience that young trees just don't deliver good fruit. With most fruit trees you don't let the fruit stand on the tree for the first couple of fruiting years. Then with mature trees, you have to keep the fruit thinned out to get the best fruit. You might want to give your trees a 2nd year of fruiting before eliminating them.

    • @TheMillennialGardener
      @TheMillennialGardener  5 лет назад

      I generally agree with you, fruit gets good around the 3rd ripening season. However, my Olympian, I-258, Smith, and even Lattarula are delicious right off the bat. If this is the worst they’ll be, they are going to be mind blowing in a couple years. I am just struggling with the idea of waiting years to see if these two pan out while my other ones are awesome immediately. I’ll probably keep the Sao Miguel Roxo because of its reputation, but CH is going to become rootstock for a Panache at this rate. We will see, I haven’t made up my mind just yet.

    • @Spirits_And_Swords
      @Spirits_And_Swords 4 года назад

      @@TheMillennialGardener Any update on the fig tree this year?

    • @TheMillennialGardener
      @TheMillennialGardener  4 года назад

      @@Spirits_And_Swords yes, I created many update videos this past summer. I compiled them all in a Playlist here for your convenience: ruclips.net/p/PL1gY7BoYBGIEXYN0adm_bcjJfVJObM3CM

    • @Acts-1322
      @Acts-1322 2 года назад

      @@TheMillennialGardener says no results found when clicking it

  • @davehendricks4824
    @davehendricks4824 2 года назад +1

    You want to keep ants out of your pots and off your plants? Sprinkle diatomaceous earth on the soils surface and under and around the base. Doesn’t take much.

  • @BoneFrossil
    @BoneFrossil 5 лет назад +1

    I am in Zone 6A and it is my 1st year with Figs... I picked them up in June and July so decided to focus on growth instead of fruit but am hoping the CH does well.. I have 2 Chicago, one Celeste and actually ordered a Violet De Boreaux and well as a Laitiza that have not come yet.. my focus with those two will be to just get them lignified so I can store them away and test if they can survive over winter.

    • @TheMillennialGardener
      @TheMillennialGardener  5 лет назад +1

      Frostydawg24 I think that’s a solid plan. I’m a bit spoiled with my long growing season, but in your zone the Mt. Etna types are a no-brained. Everyone is saying it gets better with age, and I believe that. Larger, more robust roots will certainly improve fruit quality. Are you going to try them in-ground?

    • @BoneFrossil
      @BoneFrossil 5 лет назад

      @@TheMillennialGardener - No, I think I like the idea of keeping them in containers so I can possibly get a small green house down the line and get them early starts in the spring.

    • @TheMillennialGardener
      @TheMillennialGardener  5 лет назад +1

      That’s definitely the safer bet. But if you have the room, don’t be afraid to try a short season, cold hardy variety like Olympian in ground. I can’t say enough good things about it. It ripens early, doesn’t need a lot of heat to ripen and is one of the most cold hardy types.

  • @petershu1049
    @petershu1049 5 лет назад

    Thank you for this video I think your method is great.

  • @freenetbusiness
    @freenetbusiness 4 года назад

    I just planted a Chicago Hardy here in Florida from a container into the ground. It is about 4 ft tall. When planting I notice well developed circular roots. I manipulated the sides of the plant but didn't do much with the bottom of the plant where the circular pattern existed. Should I uproot, disrupt the shape of the circular pattern and replant?

  • @billmccaffrey1977
    @billmccaffrey1977 5 лет назад +1

    I purchased some dwarf cutting that once planted in ground, new non-dwarf shoots shot up and grew 3-4 ft in 3 months. Do you know how they are dwarfing them? -or- are they supposed to be a dwarf species?

    • @TheMillennialGardener
      @TheMillennialGardener  5 лет назад

      I don’t believe there are any “dwarf” figs, just some varieties are smaller than others. Figs like Chicago Hardy and Violette de Bordeaux tend to stay under 10 feet, whereas something like a Brown Turkey and Panache can grow 30 feet and have an enormous canopy over decades. If you want to have a smaller tree, you can graft onto a Chicago Hardy and Violette de Bordeaux to keep growth suppressed if you want to have an old, classic fig tree without taking up the entire yard.

  • @joerappa5278
    @joerappa5278 5 лет назад +1

    Wow. After looking at your video, I don't think mine is a Chicago Hardy. My leaves look more like a sword and larger just like your Sao Miguel Roxo (Azores Dark). I will have to look at leaves more closely.

    • @TheMillennialGardener
      @TheMillennialGardener  5 лет назад +1

      Sao Miguel Roxo is a white rare fig. Leaves are not a good indicator of type. They can change on you for years. You’d be better off comparing the fruit.

    • @joerappa5278
      @joerappa5278 5 лет назад

      @@TheMillennialGardener Oh, ok. Thanks for clarifying. Then all of mine are Chicago Hardy's then.

  • @spiritualspinster4222
    @spiritualspinster4222 4 года назад

    I really like my Celeste Figs.

  • @zampboy8658
    @zampboy8658 5 лет назад +1

    What do you do for root bound figs in pots?

    • @TheMillennialGardener
      @TheMillennialGardener  5 лет назад +1

      You want to incrementally up-pot your figs. Go from a rooted cutting to a 1 gal pot, to 5 gal, to 10 gal, etc. If your tree is root-bound, the best thing to do is to up-pot it into a larger container if you can handle a larger, heavier tree.
      If you cannot handle a larger container for whatever reason, you are going to have to trim the tree back during the dormant season. I would recommend doing this during full dormancy, but a few weeks before the tree begins to historically wake up. So if normally your tree begins waking up in early March, do this in early to mid February.
      First, if you haven’t already pruned the tree earlier in the dormant season, you want to prune the tree back as much as you are willing to. Next, pull the tree from the pot. With clean trimmers, cut the roots back. This is a bit of an art. You probably want to remove around 1/3 of the root ball. Shake some of the old soil off and re-pot it with fresh soil.
      This refreshes the tree and gets it growing again.

    • @zampboy8658
      @zampboy8658 5 лет назад

      The Millennial Gardener my fig is in a pretty big pot. It's about 10 years old and gives a good number of figs, but this year it didn't put out much new growth. Wondering if it's root bound. Was thinking about root pruning this year.

    • @TheMillennialGardener
      @TheMillennialGardener  5 лет назад

      @@zampboy8658 it could probably use a refresh. Sometimes, gardeners have to cut the fig tree back to the base so it grows back with a new, fresh trunk. Before going that extreme, I'd go with a root pruning and a heavy tree pruning to see if that gets it growing with new growth again. If not, it may be time for a full cut-back. Main crop figs are only produced on new year's wood, so if you get to the point where the container is too small to produce enough new growth, you have little choice but to cut it back.

  • @elizabethwentz8211
    @elizabethwentz8211 5 лет назад

    Omg! I just tasted my first CH today, and then I see your video on the same. I had the same reaction. Not very foggy, just kinda fruity. But I’ll stick with as this is it’s first year producing. Thanks for your excellent info!

  • @nmnate
    @nmnate 5 лет назад

    I'm probably going to acquire a few more Mt. Etna's this winter. Have a HC (super slow grower), Dark Portuguese (seems to be growing well), and plan on picking up MBVS (or two). Is this the Sao Miguel that HarveyC sells cuttings for? Gonna have to add it to the list if it is :)

    • @TheMillennialGardener
      @TheMillennialGardener  5 лет назад

      It should be. I got mine from a well-respected member on Ourfigs, so as long as everyone is labeling properly, it should match. It appears to match Ross's "Azores Dark" fig that he raves about, and Azores Dark and SMR are the same.
      It is definitely better than the Chicago Hardy. Larger, sweeter, but still didn't blow me away like my Olympian, Smith and I-258 did.

  • @soberrn1
    @soberrn1 5 лет назад

    My Chicago hardy is 2 years old and the fruit is not ripe. How come? How long does the fruit have to set before it ripens?

    • @TheMillennialGardener
      @TheMillennialGardener  5 лет назад +1

      Chicago Hardy, from the reports I've gotten, needs a lot of heat to ripen. Most of the US has much less growing degree days than where I live (I live in a warm zone), so my figs are going to be earlier than most. Sounds like you just need to give it more time. The rule of thumb is 90 days from figlet formation to ripening. The Chicago Hardy may be a little earlier, but go with 90 to be conservative.

  • @LVFigGardenChannel
    @LVFigGardenChannel 5 лет назад +2

    Mine taste great

    • @newbiegarden
      @newbiegarden 5 лет назад

      It's because they are great!

    • @TheMillennialGardener
      @TheMillennialGardener  5 лет назад

      How old is it? I'm being told Chicago Hardy takes a few years to get good. So far, it's the only variety I have that I find not very flavorful.

    • @LVFigGardenChannel
      @LVFigGardenChannel 5 лет назад

      3 years old. Started off slow now it’s a 7/10

  • @Daniel-nf8pp
    @Daniel-nf8pp 5 лет назад

    Enjoyed watching. Which 3 varieties would you recommend for Denver CO zone 6a??? Peace.

    • @TheMillennialGardener
      @TheMillennialGardener  5 лет назад +3

      Daniel 4774 I assume you would be growing in containers, right? If so, one variety you should probably have is Ronde de Bordeaux. Everyone says it is the earliest variety. I don’t have it, but its reputation is stellar.
      The second you should have is Improved Celeste. Again, I don’t have it (I have regular Celeste), but it is known for being extremely early. Don’t go for the regular Celeste, that does better in the South.
      The third is a tough call. I have Olympian and would think that would be a good variety for you. It doesn’t need a lot of heat to ripen. But maybe Chicago Hardy or Marseilles Black VS would be good choices because they are cold hardy and ripen in shorter seasons. But they need heat to develop sugars I’ve found, whereas the Olympian does well without regular heat.
      Those are my initial thoughts. I’m sure there are many other earlier figs that I don’t have and don’t know about. There are so many...

    • @Daniel-nf8pp
      @Daniel-nf8pp 5 лет назад +1

      @@TheMillennialGardener thanks for the quick response. The front range very challenging. But i really want a fresh FIG. PEACE.

  • @titaniumgiant1
    @titaniumgiant1 5 лет назад

    Do you have little ruby red fig in your collection? I am in 5b and have begun my fig journey with the Chicago hardy lol. I been thinking about making that as my next acquisition and of course bring it indoors in winter. if you have it and your thoughts on it

    • @TheMillennialGardener
      @TheMillennialGardener  5 лет назад +1

      I’m not familiar with that variety. I think in your climate, the most important thing would be to go for varieties that don’t need a lot of heat to ripen. Look into Olympian and other English Brown Turkey types. They need less heat to ripen properly. Chicago Hardy is obviously cold hardy, but it needs a lot of heat to ripen properly. I assume you’ll be growing in containers?

    • @titaniumgiant1
      @titaniumgiant1 5 лет назад

      @@TheMillennialGardener yes of course containers. Our winters can be brutal. Last winter we had a couple of days - 40.. Soo yea def containers

    • @TheMillennialGardener
      @TheMillennialGardener  5 лет назад +1

      The TB Master but 5b is only minimum temps between -15 - -10F. -40 is like zone 2!! I’ve heard of the hardiest figs surviving negatives. I’ve heard of people growing them in 6a with protection. My grandfather has 2 massive figs that grow back every year unprotected in 6b.

    • @titaniumgiant1
      @titaniumgiant1 5 лет назад

      @@TheMillennialGardener yea this puppy is coming indoors for sure in winter haha. I am getting a Olympian like you suggested. Obviously I don't expect any fruits this season. I want to pot it and get it to start establishing itself before winter comes around November for us. Then spring hopefully it be off to a good start

  • @robertsine2159
    @robertsine2159 5 лет назад

    Its about nine or ten try’s old.

  • @robertsine2159
    @robertsine2159 5 лет назад

    Mine get 1 1/2” x 3” long.

  • @SA-lr1sf
    @SA-lr1sf 4 года назад

    Hardy Chicago is not cold hardy at all. I have some of them planted in my yard in Maryland. They freeze to the ground every year. I just don't know how they gained the reputation of cold hardy. I have different strands to include some from Burpee. They all freeze to death every year. I think they are over rated. I am going to go with MBVS instead.

    • @TheMillennialGardener
      @TheMillennialGardener  4 года назад +1

      The reason why they have a reputation for being cold-hardy is that they grow back every year despite being killed down to the roots. Many varieties won't. All fig wood is going to be damaged once you hit around 17 degrees Fahrenheit, or so. The key is whether they come back in the spring.

  • @GerardGibney3
    @GerardGibney3 4 года назад +1

    COME ON! Chicago Hardy is absolutely delicious! I have a tree in the NYC area in ground and it produces absolutely delicious figs along the sea. We can and do grow other types, but this one is very good and maybe that is why it is so common? there are a few others that can do the same thing but Chicago Hardy won the popular consensus for a reason. knocking it is a pseudo elitist mentality and just because a fig cultivar has more clout or is rarer does NOT mean it is better. kind of getting SICK of relatively amateur growers developing a youtube channel and bashing common cultivars that have obvious advantages...ross raddi tried this lame song and dance for awhile until more or less admitting he played himself and got lost in the hype! you want a really good fruit tree? grow a soursop...

    • @TheMillennialGardener
      @TheMillennialGardener  4 года назад +1

      I think you're misunderstanding the intentions of this video. I could not care less what the variety is. If it's good, it's good. I gave very high marks to Violette de Bordeaux and Olympian, which are two of the most common figs out there. Similarly, the Sao Miguel Roxo, which is very rare and desirable, I wasn't too impressed with. I didn't give the Chicago Hardy high marks because the fruit I got off the tree wasn't very good. It wasn't bad. It just wasn't very good. That's my honest opinion. Will it be better in a couple years? Maybe, and if that happens, I'll change my review. Maybe it's a variety that takes a few years to get good, or maybe I got a lousy sport propagated by whoever supplies trees to Home Depot.
      If you could point out where in the video I was "bashing" anything, please let me know. I don't think I did that. I'm never going to give you more than my honest review. Taste is subjective. You can love something and me not like it, and vice versa.

  • @Project-pq1qh
    @Project-pq1qh 5 лет назад +3

    Please don't use God's name in vain. Thank you. Maybe you can edit it out.

  • @robertsine2159
    @robertsine2159 5 лет назад

    V