Rare Trainer's Seat View from Inside a 16" Gun Turret
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- Опубликовано: 25 дек 2023
- We're back with another multi-camera view. This time we're letting you be a fly on the bulkhead inside the trainer's position as we turned Turret 3, and we combined it with angles showing what was going on outside at the simultaneously.
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For other video on Turret 3 rotating:
- On deck (part 1): • Turning Turret III Aft...
- On deck (part 2): • Turning Turret 3 After...
- Inside the rest of the turret: • Inside A Rotating 16 I...
- Starting the motor: • How To Train Your Turret
- How we powered the motor: • How To Power A 16" Gun...
Turning the turret was the result of months of hard work and research by our team, as well as input from Iowa Class battleship veterans. We make it look easy, but it's most definitely not.
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I cracked up at "Other starboard!"
haha other starboard! I miss getting up every morning at sea to do T Checks and race down to the gun layer, Train stations. If it was hot out, the outside safety. Fun fact: I was an outside safety behind Turret 3 on one shoot because Newbs kept walking out on deck while we shot. Was one of the most incredible experiences of my life and I did not die like the lore said I would.
Amazing, didn’t realise the turret still rotated
i actually get to see the turret being turned?!
my god it IS christmas
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When you see the size of those turrets when they got lifted in, it's astounding that they can move that smoothly at all, never mind after 8 decades and a long service life. A true testament to the engineering skills of its designers and shipyard workers.
One of the other USS Iowa videos mentioned that the turrets weigh about 200 tons each.
Amazing! That turret spins verry quickly for its weight! Verry cool to see!
Thanks guys!
Was cool seeing the turret position indicator move too at the trainer station 👍
Absolutely incredible every time we see it. Probably the first time that many of these things have been filmed!
Anyone on that cruise ship really got a show!
I definitely have to revisit the iowa. So much more has been opened up.
Great to see one of those 16 inch turrets rotate 👏🏻👏🏻great work
One of the most amazing things I've ever seen. Must have been even more amazing in person!
We still get goosebumps six months later!
It is actually cool to see part of the ship come "alive."
Called I fire from the New Jersy guns back when it was sailing in the Tokin Gulf. The ship is in better shape than I am now.
I’m sure this will be answered in the documentary you’re working on but I’d love to see the behind the scenes on makings sure all the hydraulic lines were functional and getting the hydraulic pump back up and running.
I’m also interested to know how old and big the hoses that run the pump are. Such an incredible feat to get the turret moving again!!!!
Thank you.
Beautiful
A close up of the dials of the instrumentation would have been nice.
This is So Zen to watch... this Cold War Gunner's Mate thanks you...
that is freaken awsome!!!
Imagine being on Shore in your car and seeing that thing tracking you
this is so cool! thank you for this video!
totally radical dude
Very cool. Thanks for sharing…!
Imagine being in one of those cargo ships and you see the uss Iowa train one of its main guns at you
Now imagine 3 of those turrets slowly aiming toward you
That is so cool!
I seen how the back of the turret passes underneath the deck where the anti-aircraft guns are,, I wouldn't want to be asleep up there when that thing was turning?😮
Now we need to get thoes barrels moving, shells loading and engines purring~
That whole turret weighs as much as much as a WWII era destroyer.
Imagine being a thief, it's night and you board the ship and you see how a main turret turns towards you😅
Thank-you for a really interesting video. Is there anything you might consider commenting on with regards to the learning process to ensure all went well for rotating the turret?
We're working on a documentary about the whole process. The learning curve will definitely be part of it!
so so cool
Absolutely fantastic! It would be nice to see where turret 3 is still leaking hydraulic fluid and to know if this is an issue that could be fixed.
As an 80-year old hydraulic system, it essentially leaks from almost every joint in the system. We've tightened up a handful of gasket joints and a few fittings, but there is literally no way to prevent it from leaking. And remember, these pumps and associated hardware are no longer supported by the legacy manufacturers, so no parts are available.
Thank you. It would be interesting to see a dedicated video on this aspect.
@@mikegetscher2165 but you have an entire machine shop!
I'm sorry, I had to!😁
Great video! Question: Now that this turret is functional again, enough to rotate at least, will the Iowa Museum staff continue to operate (rotate) the turret on a regular basis, or will the turret go dormant again once all the 16" shells and power canisters are loaded into the ship? That would be a nice attraction to help bring in visitors on a regular basis if you planned to rotate the turret once a month (for example). I have visited IOWA once since it became a Museum in San Pedro, and I plan to visit again, hopefully in the near future. If there was a scheduled "turret day" once a month (again, just for example) I would certainly plan my next visit accordingly. I wouldn't miss the opportunity to see the turret rotate in person for all the tea in China. And I would probably pay more to be standing on the deck with Mike Getscher while it's rotating.
We definitely want to turn it again and let people see it in person. The challenge is that it's 80 year old equipment. If we wear it out or something breaks, there's no replacing it, so we have to be thoughtful about how frequently we operate it.
Absolutely the best way to go 👍 Careful periodic rotations is a great way to both share with the public and exercise the turret just enough and not over stress 80+ year old parts. USS Iowa Always 1st in all things Battleships 💯✊
@@BattleshipUSSIowaLosAngeles I understand....and I agree. Hey, even if you did break it beyond repair, you'll be no worse off than you were before you rotated the turret for the first time as a museum. lolol. I'm kidding! 🙂 Thanks for the reply.
Awesome Video! Thanks for showing us the goods! Can you Tell us more about the Dog on the Deck!
That's Vicky - the ship's WWII mascot. He was found by IOWA's first captain, brought aboard the ship, and remained in her company till the end of the war. These days, he's hiding all over the tour route as a kids' scavenger hunt and now we have a giant version of him for them to see at the end.
pacificbattleship.com/learn-the-history/the-story-of-victory-the-dog/
@@BattleshipUSSIowaLosAngeles
This Article is the BEST!
A thing of patriotic beauty.🙏🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
Imagine what people think. Who don’t know the BB turrent scan move again! After seeing them move.
Im surprised the rollers dont have flat spots from sitting in one spot for so many years. There is a lot of weight applying pressure on the rollers.
The rollers are hardened nickel steel and beautifully machined. The "locking pins" that are so often talked about are not actually for locking the turret in place. They are called "centering pins" which prevent seaway stress in the roller carriage, backlash chatter in the pinion/ring gears and to prevent or minimize "brinelling" in the roller track. The latter being the creation of indentations and flaking of material from the hardened faces. We have no evidence of brinelling or indentation in the system.
@@mikegetscher2165How did you acquire such knowledge? So many RUclips comments are just plain disposable, but this one introduced me to "brinelling." I may not get the opportunity, but hope to use it in the future.
I'll never understand how a modernization of the Iowa class BBs would not be a good addition to any fleet.
WOW🤯‼️‼️ 🗣️ Fantastic ‼️🇺🇸⚓️
What if we fired blanks from the guns to play the 1812 overture?
I would like to know if there is a video out there or if not if one could be made explaining the Navy's roll in letting you guys do this. I have already heard the why you did it (to load shells) but did you have to get the Navy to sign off on the plan due to restrictions in your contract with the Navy when you got the ship.
Very cool to see this. Must have been something to see from one of those busses drive by as those big guns pointed at them HAHA.
The Navy didn't have to sign off. Our contract with them says we're allowed to operate equipment for purposes of display, maintenance, and/or safety. This project fits all of those conditions.
@@BattleshipUSSIowaLosAngeles Very interesting. Thank you for the info. Keep up the great work!
I bet that bus driver had an odd feeling.
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I wonder if the turrets on USS Texas can also turn
Where do you get the power for this??
How often do you exercise the turrets?? Do you also work the 5" turrets??
How is the power transmitted from the motor to the pinions? Is it just a giant hydraulic coupling?
This is an electro-hydraulic system. The motor simply spins a pump, the pump is "stroked," and the hydraulic fluid is split towards two hydraulic motors which rotate the pinions.
Bravo Zulu to the crew of USS IOWA to get turret 3 operational with the original receiver regulator system under local control. Curious about the stepped startup…any concerns with motor loads under autotransfomer voltage?
Full disclosure- BB62 volunteer here! Also…is there any schedule for turret 3 operation on IOWA? Tony
Welcome, BB62. Nice to have you hanging out. Here's the info about motor loads: ruclips.net/video/AtVZ0u_Xmog/видео.html
No schedule yet for another turn, but we have to re-center it eventually! Stay tuned. ;-)
Question for the muesem and another who actually got to turn the guns dueing her deployments:
1. If orders were given to turn a bearing, would it be turned faster than it's shown now, or would you turn it at a steady pace as shown?
2. Is there a separate controller for elevation, and does the previous question about speed still apply? [Edit: i saw the video regarding the elevation and have my answers!]
Sincerely,
An interested and curious civilian
1. When the turret is turning "full speed," it can go about 4 degrees per second. We were taking it easy when we turned that day because it had been sitting so long. We didn't want to push it too hard.
Hand rotated, i wouldn’t have guessed.
Right? We like to joke that it's a stick shift.
I know the Battleship New Jersey, the turrets are welded partially down. Why was the Iowa's ability to turn the turrets mostly left intact?
The "welded down" turrets described in a DoD publication turned out to be a piece of 1" angle iron tack welded in place on the centering pin retraction mechanism. Nothing that 7 seconds of quality time with an angle grinder couldn't take care of.
Does the speed of the turn increase or decrease with the speed that he is turning the wheels, or is it a set motor speed and he's just dialing in the required angle and the motor just keeps running until the turret meets the set angle?
There's definitely a range of speed, but you can control it a bit with the hand wheel.
The turret could also be rotated automatically by the firing computer, right? In that case, how often was a person actually controlling it manually versus letting the computer do the work? Same for elevating the turrets?
From Sr. Chief Koehnen, who's "driving" the turret in this video:
Normal operation would be something like this...
Most of the time, the ship would be at General Quarters while shooting the turrets. (During Desert Storm, one turret was always manned, in that case, the word was passed to keep clear of the firing turret.)
Anyway, the short answer to the question, train and elevation stations were always manned during all modes of operation. One exception to this would be during maintenance, only the system(s) being used would be manned.
During firing, control of train and elevation would be in automatic control, plot would send an electrical signal to the receiver regulator in the turret, which would then turn that signal in to hydraulic flow to operate the system. Train had its own receiver regulator, as did each gun.
To get to that point, train / elevation operators had to light off their systems, and upon order of the Turret Captain, the order would be given "Match Pointers, and Shift to Automatic. .
Once in automatic, the operators remained on station, standing by to take control in case of a malfunction.
At the end of firing, the Turret Captain would give the order to the operators to take control, and would give the position to train/elevate the turret.
So, hand control for maintenance and preparation for firing, and hand control for securing from firing.
(There's other situations, local control, system casualties, when the systems could be in hand control, but that's another story. )
Are y’all going to turn turret #1 anytime?
Not too likely. Turret 3 gets to turn and Turret 1 gets all the projectiles. Fun for the whole family...?
Would you also make the gun training again?
When the old girl needs to stretch.
That's so cool to see something that large moving with such ease. Goes to show the incredible engineering that went into these magnificent ships. Can you also elevate the gun barrels or is that not allowed? I remember seeing a video on how they were set manually but I'm curious to know if they can still be elevated by the hydraulic systems that were used while she was still a commissioned vessel. Also, can you do a behind thr scenes look at the preparation of the systems used to move the turret under hydraulic power? Would absolutely love to see that. Awesome video!!
Behind the scenes video is coming.
Barrels could be elevated with the motors, but we haven't got them running at present.
Is that as fast as it can turn or can it turn faster
Can go just a little bit faster. We didn't want to push it too hard.
These were the only ships the Russian Navy were afraid of.
Ryan, Has nothing on This - New Jersey, Iowa Heads and Tails Above (New Jersey) Just Sayin'...
I believe Ryan said in one 1of his videos that as long as he's curator, this will not happen
@@WalterSedar Think Ryan mentioned that they don't have enough shore power going to the ship to power the turret so they can't turn one if they wanted too.
@@robertl606 Ryan had mentioned in a video(s) that they can't reactivate any of the engines since they are preserved for possible but not likely ship reactivation. Which prevents the ship from generating steam to power the ships systems like the turrets and they can't reactivate the kitchens either since the ovens and stoves run on steam too. The New Jersey had paid a lot of money to have her fuel tanks cleaned out, so she also doesn't have any fuel on board.
@budguy8829 Yes sir, those rules also apply to the hydraulic system.
@@robertl606 Our contract with the Navy allows us to operate equipment for purposes of maintenance, display, and/or safety. This project fits all those conditions.
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