@@esperidionabella1841 Hindi kami tututol na tao si Cristo walang ganun hahahaha naging tao si Cristo kaya tao Siya but He is God too at yun ang di Niyo matanggap lolz
Well done Brother Joe Ventilacion🎉🎉If we can only open our mind to accept the truth what Jesus Christ preach🎉Loud and clear In Christian doctrine, believers hold that Jesus Christ is our Savior, distinct from God the Father, who is acknowledged as the one true God. The arrival of Jesus on Earth is seen by many as a divine sign, urging people to discern the true God amidst a history of idol worship. Scripture emphasizes the caution against idolatry, urging adherence to the way of God over alternative pursuits.
The trinity is mentioned many times in both old and new testament but people who don't understand ignore them. It's difficult to understand when we think of God's quality should be like of a man. But God is not simple like a mere man, he's more complex (the trinity) and powerful (divine). Felix Manalo did not quite get "trinity", God please forgive him. Please do yourself a favor, search "trinity explanation" on RUclips until you understand it. You will be so enlightened and will leave the INC cult.
@@sillydogsoupfriend, not a single verse in the Bible mentioned “Trinity” In John 17:3, Jesus prayed for us, that we may know the Father as the only true God. If Jesus is God, what is the PURPOSE of what he said in his prayer for us, that we may know the Father as the only true God?
@@miguelmapilisan9683 Acts2:22nkjv-“Jesus of Nazareth, a MAN attested(certified) by God” U see that friend? God ATTESTED or certified Jesus is a man. Anyone, like James White, who try to ABOLISH God’s DECREE is being utilized by Satan.
Faithful servants of God will never be forsaken by the Lord God. He will work wonders to show His love for them. Thank you Brother Arto for sharing your story. Thank you to the Church Administration for constantly inspiring the members of the Church Of Christ with the words of our Lord God.
Acts 2:22-“Jesus of Nazareth, a MAN attested(certified) by God” U see that bro? God ATTESTED or certified Jesus is a man. Anyone who try to ABOLISH God’s DECREE is being utilized by Satan.
@@dormamo6917 Matthew 28:19??? It’s about “baptism” NOT being God. When it comes to being God, it’s: “One God and Father of all”-Ephesians 4:6 NOT: ‘One God-Father, Son, HolySpirit NO TRINITY.
Titus 2:13 in Other Translations 13 and is whetting our appetites for the glorious day when our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ, appears. 13 while we wait for the blessed hope and the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ.
Isaiah 46:9-10 New King James Version 9 Remember the former things of old, For I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is none like Me, 10🔸️Declaring the end from the beginning, And from ancient times things that are not yet done,🔸️ Saying, ‘My counsel shall stand, And I will do all My pleasure,’ Isaiah 52:6 New King James Version 6 Therefore My people shall know My name; Therefore they shall know in that day That➡️ I am He ⬅️who speaks: ‘Behold, it is I.’ ” John 13:19 New King James Version 19🔸️Now I tell you before it comes, that when it does come to pass, you may believe🔸️that➡️ I am He.⬅️ John 8:24 New King James Version 24 Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for if you do not believe that➡️ I am He, ⬅️you will die in your sins.”
It's ridiculous to say 'its been cleared it up' and 'Only one God exists But not questioning if Jesus wasn't A God. Why he's perfectly being? Doesn't it mean that One truly God is so biased due to the reason why he only choose one human?
@@ven6372 John 17:1-3 (Idk why you excluded verse 2) discusses about Jesus praying to be glorified and this shows his nature as a human. We, trinitarians believe that Jesus possesses 2 natures both human and divine. That's why you see verses that says Jesus is both human and God. Jesus and the father are distinct but not separate. I encourage you to also read and analyze the remaining verses of that very same passage carefully (John 17:4-5) because that doesn't sound like a "mere man" to me.
@mofuku9716 the bible is not like a novel where you have to finish from the first chapter to the last for you to understand it. Each verse has a corresponding truth to it that only a TRUE MESSENGER of God could interpret in accordance with the Truth. Once a false prophet like Mr. White tried to explain it by using his own knowledge and interpretation many will be astray and confused like he is. TRINITY is synonymous with STUPIDITY. Not supported by any bible verses but only by imagination and own interpretation.
@@mofuku9716 not a “mere man”, Jesus is a “divine man” John 17:2??? Jesus is practicing what he preached, TO SEEK THE GLORY FROM GOD; if u don’t, u r not a believer-Jn5:44 John 17:5??? NOT ONLY JESUS, all Christians ALSO were chosen BEFORE THE CREATION OF THE WORLD as written in Ephesians 1:4-“For he chose us in him BEFORE THE CREATION OF THE WORLD”
@@mofuku9716 now answer my question: “If Jesus is God, what is the PURPOSE of what he said in his prayer for us, that we may know the Father as the only true God?-Jn17:1,3
CLUES FROM THE BIBLE ABOUT JESUS CHRIST'S TRUE NATURE (GOD): 1 John 5:20 "And we know that the Son of God has come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life." Hebrews 1:8 But about the Son, he says, "Your throne, O God, will last forever and ever; a scepter of justice will be the scepter of your kingdom. 1 John 1:5 This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all. John 8:12 I Am the Light of the World Again Jesus spoke to them, saying, “I am the light of the world. Whoever follows me will not walk in darkness, but will have the light of life.” John 1:1 In the beginning, was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. Revelation 19:13 "He is dressed in a robe dipped in blood, and his name is the Word of God." Colossians 1:15 The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. Hebrews 1:3 The Son is the radiance of God's glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word. After he had provided purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty in heaven. Colossians 2:9 For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives John 6:62 Then what if you see the Son of Man ascend to where he was before! 1 Corinthians 15:46-48 46 The spiritual did not come first, but the natural, and after that the spiritual. 47 The first man was of the dust of the earth; the second man is of heaven. 48 As was the earthly man, so are those who are of the earth; and as is the heavenly Man, so also are those who are of heaven. Hebrews 2:9 But we do see Jesus, who was made lower than the angels for a little while, now crowned with glory and honor because he suffered death, so that by the grace of God he might taste death for everyone. Philippians 2:6-11 Who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped, but emptied himself, taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men. And being found in human form he humbled himself and became obedient unto death, even death on a cross. John 4:24 God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth. " John 1:18 No one has ever seen God,but the one and only Son, who is himself God and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known. John 20:28 Thomas answered him, “My Lord and my God!” Romans 9:5 Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob are their ancestors, and Christ himself was an Israelite as far as his human nature is concerned. And he is God, the one who rules over everything and is worthy of eternal praise! Amen. Titus 2:13 while we wait for the blessed hope-the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ 2 Peter 1:1 Simon Peter, a servant, and apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who through the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ have received a faith as precious as ours: Matthew 28:18 Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. John 8:58 "Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am.”" Mark 14:61-62 But Jesus remained silent and gave no answer. Again the high priest asked him, “Are you the Messiah, the Son of the Blessed One?” “I am,” said Jesus. “And you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One and coming on the clouds of heaven.” John 17:5 5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was. John 5:23 That all may honor the Son just as they honor the Father. Whoever does not honor the Son does not honor the Father, who sent him. Matthew 14:33 Then those who were in the boat worshiped him, saying, “Truly you are the Son of God.” Philippians 2:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth. Colossians 1:16 "For by him, all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities-all things were created through him and for him." John 1:3 "All things were made by him, and without him was not anything made that was made." 1 Peter 4:19 "So if you are suffering in a manner that pleases God, keep on doing what is right, and trust your lives to the God who created you, Hebrews 1:6 "And again, when God brings his firstborn into the world, he says, 'Let all God's angels worship him. '" Matthew 28:20 And teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.” John 17:3-5 3 Now this is eternal life: that they know you,(A) the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.4 I have brought you glory on earth by finishing the work you gave me to do.5 And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began. ISAIAH 45:23 I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear. PHILIPPIANS 2:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth Revelation 1:17 "When I saw him, I fell at his feet as though dead. Then he placed his right hand on me and said: 'Do not be afraid. I am the First and the Last." Revelation 1:8 “I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty.” Acts 17:23-25 New International Version 23 For as I walked around and looked carefully at your objects of worship, I even found an altar with this inscription: to an unknown god. So you are ignorant of the very thing you worship-and this is what I am going to proclaim to you. 24 “The God who made the world and everything in it is the Lord of heaven and earth and does not live in temples built by human hands. 25 And he is not served by human hands, as if he needed anything. Rather, he himself gives everyone life and breath and everything else. JOHN 14:1 14 “Do not let your hearts be troubled. You believe in God[a]; believe also in me. JOHN 14:6-9 6 Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. 7 If you really know me, you will know[b] my Father as well. From now on, you do know him and have seen him.” 8 Philip said, “Lord, show us the Father and that will be enough for us.” 9 Jesus answered: “Don’t you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’? ROMANS 9:5 5 Theirs are the patriarchs, and from them is traced the human ancestry of the Messiah, who is God over all, forever praised! Amen. JOHN 8:24 24 I told you that you would die in your sins; if you do not believe that I am he, you will indeed die in your sins.” JOHN 8:58 58 “Very truly I tell you,” Jesus answered, “before Abraham was born, I am! JOHN 13:19 19 “I am telling you now before it happens so that when it does happen you will believe that I am who I am. JOHN 20:28 28 Thomas said to him, “My Lord and my God!” JOHN 1:3-4 3 Through him all things were made; without him, nothing was made that has been made. 4 In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind. COLOSSIANS 1:15-17 15 The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. 16 For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him. 17 He is before all things, and in him, all things hold together. HEBREWS 1:1-8 1 In the past God spoke to our ancestors through the prophets at many times and in various ways, 2 but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom also he made the universe. 3 The Son is the radiance of God’s glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word. After he had provided purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty in heaven. 4 So he became as much superior to the angels as the name he has inherited is superior to theirs. The Son Superior to Angels 5 For to which of the angels did God ever say, “You are my Son; today I have become your Father”[a]? Or again, “I will be his Father, and he will be my Son”[b]? 6 And again, when God brings his firstborn into the world, he says, “Let all God’s angels worship him.”[c] 7 In speaking of the angels he says, “He makes his angels spirits, and his servant's flames of fire.”[d] 8 But about the Son He says, “Your throne, O God, will last forever and ever; a scepter of justice will be the scepter of your kingdom. 2 PETER 1 Simon Peter, a servant, and apostle of Jesus Christ,To those who through the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ have received a faith as precious as ours: JOHN 13:19 “I am telling you now before it happens so that when it does happen you will believe that I am who I am.
Thank you for the list of verses that you have posted on your position on the deity of Christ. I appreciate your effort despite our differences in belief and theology. At least you are reading the bible which is more than I can say about others. Thank you.
@@UnforeseenTruth You are always welcome my brother in Christ! May the Gifts of wisdom be upon us so that we can continue to enlighten others so that they may fully understand the Scripture. I'm inviting you to visit my RUclips channel kindly check the link below: God Bless! ruclips.net/channel/UCor8uQsXKq6e8fC3ZlKKVfgdiscussion
@@dennismorales7265 incorrect understand of the term. Elohim means PLURAL OF MAJESTY, based on old hebrew translations, it literally only is given to the single entity of God. Not to the trinity, nor the son and especially not of the holy spirit. If Elohim becomes a plural form in meaning, contradiction will exist because God said hes the one and only God. P.s I was reading thru the comments and I just created a youtube account for this. For Poseidon DZ - 1st point. Dont just use a single bible translation. Use multiple ones. You will get a different terminologies that are being used. And some of your verses will have contradictions to the rule of "One and Only God" as per stated by Christ himself on John 17:3. Because the term used in other scholars/translators regarding the term God is often interchanged with Lord (no direct description of who it refers to) 2nd point. If Christ is God, as your statement says, theres a contradiction with the statement that he made on Isaiah 43:10. This makes point of trinity null and void. Because Jesus and the Holy spirit was only declared to be God AFTER THE APOSTLES DIED. 3rd point. From a historical perspective. Changes of Jesus' Arianism was declared in the Council of Nicaea, 325AD, the apostles are long dead. IF AND ONLY IF JESUS WAS GOD, this shouldve been clearly taught by Jesus and his apostles themselves. However, ask any biblical scholar, they will say Jesus himself has never explicitly said he is the one true God. The only time this belief was changed was when the Nicene creed dictated that Jesus is God (325) and as well as the Holy Spirit (381). Note theres been a history change. Jesus wants the preservation of laws, not change. 4th point. The origin of "Godliness" of Jesus is questionable. While theres no debate about Jesus being the Son of God. Here comes another point of contradiction between the nature of Jesus and God. God has no beginning and no end. Jesus was born and died. That makes the validity of God's nature that has no beginning to be void. But let us say Jesus was in the beginning, does that mean the God the Israelites believed in was Jesus all along? However, theres no statement in the bible that the old Israelites, the time during Abraham up to the prophets, that they prayed for the Son during their time, always to the Father. If he was there, why was it stated in 1 Peter 1:20 that he was still FOREKNOWN? Foreknown means before it happens. See the point that im making? Jesus was planned for humanity. He didnt have an existence yet. 5th point. The usage of "I and the father are one". This is crucial part of the contradiction between Jesus as God is understanding. Because this can be translated in another phrase, "God is with me" in another bible translation. So if we stick the the rule of Jesus statement that the Father is the one and only true God, anyone that uses the "God is with me", according to your interpretation, becomes God(?). Because in Psalms 16:8, it is stated that "God is always with me", does that mean Adam, Abraham and other authors of PSALMS are GOD? See another point? 6th point. Cross examination of consistency. Where do you think Jesus powers comes from? IF HE IS GOD, as you stated, who gave his powers? who gave his divinity? Matthew 28:18-20, his authority and powers were given to him. See the point? Jesus was artificially given powers. While to the Father it is natural, it is with Him frmo the beginning because in Gen 1:2, he started creation.
Kudos to Dr. White for exposing Iglesia Ni Cristo's false doctrine! Your analysis is enlightening and vital in revealing the truth. Keep up the great work!
Sorry but your Dr White was failed ni hindi nga nya napatunayan ang Trinity ang trinity binubuo ng Ama Anak at Espiritu, sa Anak palang hirap na nyang ipanalo eh, kaya talong talo, dahil hindi nya napatunayan ang trinity, unbiblical teachings from the Catholic
Lahat na ng relihiyon sa mundo yan ang paniniwala ang trinidad katoliko, protestante, sda, born again, mcgi ni soriano at iba pa, swak dun sa nakasulat sa biblia na sindami ng buhangin sa dagat ang parurusahan sa dagat-dagatan apoy.
KLARO BA SABI MO PARA KAY DR JAMES AT PARA NAMAN KAY BRO JOE AY KLARO AS MUD ITO PO ANG STAND MO SA 2 DEBATISTANG ITO, SIR MAY SABI PO ANG DIOS,WAG DAGDAGAN O BAWASAN,TAKE NOTE PO SIR,AYON KAY PABLO BILANG SUGO NG DIOS,SABI NI PABLO,WLANG DIOS LIBAN SA IISA,ANG AMA ANG IISANG DIOS,NA BINASA NI BRO JOE, SAMANTALANG KAY JAMES TRINITY MEANS GOD THE FATHER,GOD THE SON,GOD THE HOLY SPIRIT 1 GOD, VERY CLEAR MAY DAGDAG, Q? PO SA YO SIR, SINO ANG PANIWALAAN MO SI PABLO NA DI DINAGDAGAN O SI JAMES NA DINAGDAGAN? PLEASE ANSWER THE RIGHT ANSWER SIR!
@ramujv7715 John 17:3 New King James Version 3 And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent. Jesus is praying for his Jewish Disciples. Born Jews, grew up as Jews and had the Old Testament as their Scriptures; SURELY AND DEFINITELY ALL THEIR LIFE, THEY KNEW THE FATHER IS THE ONLY TRUE GOD. 1) Why would Jesus still need to pray for them to know the Father is the only true God? 2) If Jesus only wanted his Jewish disciples to know the Father is the only true God; why did he not put period (.) after true God? 3) If Jesus only wanted his Jewish disciples to know the Father is the only true God; why did he used "and" even adding himself? 4) Is the used of "only" here only pertains to the Father? 5) Does John 17:3 have an identical or twin verse in the New Testament?
@@dimitris_zaha one as God? how about these translations? 1 John 5:7-8 “There are three witnesses: the Spirit, the water, and the blood; and all three give the same testimony.” [ Good News Bible, 1992 ] 1 John 5:7-8 “There are three witnesses: the Spirit, the water, and the blood. These three witnesses agree.” [God’s Word Version, 1995 ] 1 John 5:7-8 “For there are three that bear witness: the Spirit, the water, and the blood; and these three agree as one.” [English Majority Text Version, 2002-2003 ] it's very clear that this verse is not teaching about trinity. I just want to point out to you a quote from the book "New Catholic Encyclopedia, vol. 7. Washington, D.C.: The Catholic University of America, 1967.] “THE COMMA IS ABSENT IN ALL THE ANCIENT GREEK MANUSCRIPTS OF THE NT (New Testament) WITH THE EXCEPTION OF FOUR RATHER RECENT MANUSCRIPTS THAT DATE FROM THE 13TH TO 16TH CENTURIES. The Comma is lacking in such ancient Oriental versions as the Peshitta, Philoxenian, Coptic, Ethiopic, and Armenian … NO SCHOLAR ANY LONGER ACCEPTS ITS AUTHENTICITY.”[ New Catholic Encyclopedia, vol. 7. Washington, D.C.: The Catholic University of America, 1967.] Here it is. They themselves have admitted it. It is clear then that what is written in the KING JAMES VERSION and other Bibles translated similarly is NOT TRUE. They clearly ADMIT that it is FAKE and NOT IN THE ORIGINAL writings of APOSTLE JOHN. And it only emerged during the THIRD to FOURTH centuries. What happened back then? The doctrine of the True Divinity of Christ was agreed upon and ratified in 325 A.D. at the Council of Nicaea. The doctrine of the Divinity of the Holy Spirit was also agreed upon and ratified in 381 A.D. at the Council of Constantinople. Now, according to the authority of the Catholics, who was really the first to use the term "Trinity"? "The term 'Trinity' is not found in Scripture [Bible], ... The invention of the term is ascribed to Tertullian. " [Systematic Theology, by Augustus Hopkins Strong, page. 304 ] just invented by the "Tertullian" let us ask again the catholic if the trinity doctrine is Biblical? "Though the exact terms in which the [Catholic] Church has formally defined the dogma of the Blessed Trinity ... are not in the Bible, and may, therefore, in a sense be called unscriptural. . ." [The Divine Trinity: A Dogmatic Treatise, by Rt. Rev. Msgr. Joseph Pohle, p. 22] It;s very clear from the catholic who invented the Trinity doctrine that this doctrine are UNBIBLICAL
complete evidence of sir ventilasyon that Only one God and Christ is a mediator..and the one is only speak on his mouth...praise one God and son Jesus Christ....
@@Bi_mentality Your conclusion of Philippians 2:5-8 did not specifically says that Christ is God and if you read all the way down to verse 11, it says there that the true God highly exalted Jesus and God give him a name which above every name (Christ) and every knee should bow (worship) of those from heaven, those on earth and under the earth. Jesus Christ was made Lord to the glory of the true God (John 17:1-3).
meanwhile in other verses: John 10:30, Jesus said I and the Father are one, and the Jews tried to stone him because of the blasphemy because Jesus is claiming to be God.
@@ShawtvPh where in the Bible he said he is not God? There is one GOD, Father, Son and Holy Spirit they are one. Isaiah 7:14 NKJV [14] Therefore the Lord Himself will give you a sign: Behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a Son, and shall call His name Immanuel. Isaiah 9:6 NKJV [6] For unto us a Child is born, Unto us a Son is given; And the government will be upon His shoulder. And His name will be called Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. Revelation 1:8 NKJV [8] “I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End,” says the Lord, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.” Revelation 1:11 NKJV [11] saying, “I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last,” and, “What you see, write in a book and send it to the seven churches which are in Asia: to Ephesus, to Smyrna, to Pergamos, to Thyatira, to Sardis, to Philadelphia, and to Laodicea.” Hebrews 1:8 NKJV [8] But to the Son He says: “Your throne, O God, is forever and ever; A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom. I can show you more scriptures that Jesus is the Christ, who was and is to come. It's up to you if you will deny the deity of Christ. Jesus is the Christ the image of the invisible God. The Word.
Acts 2:22-“Jesus is a man ATTESTED(certified) by God” Friend, God is the HIGHEST AUTHORITY in the universe, and anyone like James white who challenge God and try to abolish what God ATTESTED or certified as a man has no respect for God.
So u r like James white who doesn’t respect God’s AUTHORITY, trying to ABOLISH what God ATTESTED as a man. NONE of the verses u presented says: JESUS IS GOD. Jn.10:30??? Doesn’t say: I and the Father are “ONE GOD.” In “Jn.17:21”, it’s the PRAYER of Lord Jesus that all of us should b 1 with them too. Q is: DO U believe that u r 1 with them? If yes, R U A GOD, also?
@@ven6372 I mean, you're just avoiding the texts that explain why Jesus is God and use other verses that basically God is the one true God. No one is questioning that, but there's more that you can't seem to comprehend and just flat out denying it. In short, you're labelling Jesus and his apostles as liars.
@@maykeesmathworld9308 Acts 2:22-“Jesus is a MAN attested(certified) by God” U see that bro? God attested or certified Jesus is a MAN. James White is trying to dismantle God’s DECREE. James White is being utilized by Satan.
@@shemaiahbeltran9946 There was no saved by the bell. The bell would not help Mr White’s position….Only White’s mouth said saved by the bell but I could see nothing more important than the bell…Did you watch the video? Each question thrown at Bro.Joe, he answered quickly. He can’t knockdown INC in any way.
@@edisondelossantos8059 Panoorin mo ulit mula ng mg cross examine c ka Joe. Nlito n msmo c Dr white nung gnamit n reperensya ung aklat n msmong c Dr white ang smulat. Umpisa p lng nlito agad c puti. Nood k po ulit cross examination.
nothing hit brother Ventilacion. what clearly shown in this debate was the exposition of Dr. White's poor comprehension of the bible. Dr. White admitted that ONLY the Father is the Almighty God, yet he kept on insisting that Jesus is also God. what a MORON!
Don't call Jesus 'Lord' if you insist that He is just a human Besides, Jesus Himself said believe in the One sent by the Father. The One sent by the Father is Jesus, not Felix Manalo
thank you for the translating in tagalog, very clear Christ said: "MY FATHER, YOUR FATHER, MY GOD AND YOUR GOD" very big difference Christ has God and it's the Father not himself or the Son
@@user-er5vx9jy5c ang hebrew 1:8 ay quoted sa book of Psalmist 45:6 sa OT which is ang orihinal na wika ay hebrew kaya tanungin natin ang mga hudyo ano ba ang tamang salin nito sa english Psalms 45:7 "Thy throne given of God is for ever and ever; a sceptre of equity is the sceptre of thy kingdom" (Jewish Publication Society) malinaw sa salin ng mga Hudio na hindi tinawag ang Anak na Dios dyan, at kung ang Hebrew 1:8 ang basehan mo sa wikang griego ang nakalagay HO THEOS meaning THE GOD, hindi O GOD, nalinlang ka ng maling salin kapated. pangalawa hindi pwede kontrahin ng Dios ang kanyang pahayag na wala syang nakikilalang Dios maliban sa kanya Fear ye not, neither be afraid: have not I told thee from that time, and have declared it? ye are even my witnesses. Is there a God beside me? yea, there is no God; I know not any. Isaiah 44:8 KJV THERE IS NO GOD; I KNOW NOT NOT NOT ANY!!! nalinlang ka ng maling salin ng biblia my friend
John 1:18, INC cannot continue to say the verse he shared 😂 because it says "No one has seen God at any time, the only begotten God, who? Who is in the bosom of the Father? who is in the bosom of the Father? They are saying Jesus is only a prophet or messenger, he is not a son? But why he is called the son of God? What are the reference, can you look for it? So that you may know and see it in real time.
“One God and Father of all”-Ephesians 4:6 NO TRINITY. “Jesus of Nazareth, a MAN attested(certified) by God” U see that friend? God ATTESTED or certified Jesus is a MAN. Anyone, who try to ABOLISH God’s DECREE is a cult and not a man of God but of the devil. Friend, I humbly invite you and your love ones to study the Bible with Iglesia ni Cristo and strive to become members.
@@viclaurencevaldez31 I watched the debate several times and I found out that Dr. White doesn’t accept what is written in the Bible like John 17:3 that Christ says that the FATHER is the only true God. He insisted the Trinity Doctrine that is not written in the Bible. He claimed that the triad God are all equal even in power but the Bible said that Christ admitted that the FATHER greater than him ( John 14:28 ). And Christ doesn’t even know the exact day of Judgment ( Matthew 24:36 ). Even now that Jesus Christ is in heaven, he is still a man sitting at the right hand of God.
@@vanvelasco8240Ventilacion pressed that Hebrews 1:8 is disconnected to Hebrews 1:10-12 [Ventilacion firmly believes that 1:8-9 talks about the son then 1:10-12 is about the father then verse 13 it goes back to the son] That is absolute twisting of the scriptures. John 12:41: Ventilacion cannot state who's glory did Isaiah saw [It is absolutely Jesus] Joe then insisted that it is not Jesus because it contradicts John 1:18. Which is not because John 1:18 talks about Jesus being the Monogenes Theos [Joe doesn't believe it] John 17:5: Ventilacion doesn't know the glory which Jesus had before the world existed. Instead he wants to read a passage from st. paul which is definitely out of context. Philippians 1:5: Ventilacion failed to understand the humility of Jesus that being in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped. Jesus Humbled himself The best part was when Ventilacion was confused about when Jesus made himself no reputation, and he took a form of a servant. [This also answers your question regarding the verse saying that "The Father is Greater than I"] Being in the form of God, Jesus emptied himself and took a form of a servant. Ventilacion also failed in exigesis and grammar when he was asked about 2nd Peter 1:11. And 2 Peter 1:1 Hayyy. Please rewatch mo ang debate. Baka yung pinanuod mo lang ay yung mga parts ni Venti. E wala ngang kalatoylatoy yung kanya. Napaka-Biblical ni White to the point na hindi na daw mahalaga ang grammar kay Venti para lang makalusot kay White.
@@vanvelasco8240 Ventilacion pressed that Hebrews 1:8 is disconnected to Hebrews 1:10-12 [Ventilacion firmly believes that 1:8-9 talks about the son then 1:10-12 is about the father then verse 13 it goes back to the son] That is absolute twisting of the scriptures. John 12:41 - Ventilacion cannot say who's glory did Isaiah saw [It is absolutely Jesus] Joe then insisted that it is not Jesus because it contradicts John 1:18. Which is not the case because John 1:18 talks about Jesus being the Monogenes Theos but Joe didn't mention it. John 17:5 - Ventilacion doesn't know the glory which Jesus had before the world existed. Instead he want to read a passage from st. Paul which is definitely out of context and has nothing to do with John 17:15 Philippians 1:5 - Ventilacion failed to understand the humility of Jesus that "being in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped." Jesus Humbled himself The best part was when Ventilacion was confused about when Jesus made himself no reputation, and he took a form of a servant. [This also answers your question regarding the verse saying that "The Father is Greater than I"] Being in the form of God, Jesus emptied himself and took a form of a servant. Ventilacion also failed in exigesis and grammar when he was asked about 2nd Peter 1:11. And 2 Peter 1:1 Final: there is no question in John 17:3 but you should not cut the statement. "3 Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent. 4 I have brought you glory on earth by finishing the work you gave me to do. 5 And now, Father, GLORIFY ME IN YOUR PRESENCR WITH THE GLORY I HAD WITH YOU BEFORE THE WORLD BEGAN." John 17:3-5 [ayaw to basahin ng buo ni Venti] Hayyy. Please rewatch mo ang debate. very self-serving ng mga arguments ni Venti. Baka yung pinanuod mo lang ay yung mga parts ni Venti. E wala ngang kalatoylatoy yung kanya. Napaka-Biblical ni White to the point na hindi na daw mahalaga ang grammar kay Venti para lang makalusot kay White.
Galatians 4:13 Ye know how through infirmity of the flesh I preached the gospel unto you at the first. Galatians 4:14 And my temptation which was in my flesh ye despised not, nor rejected; but received me as an angel of God, even as Christ Jesus.. Galatians 4:15 Where is then the blessedness ye spake of? for I bear you record, that, if it had been possible, ye would have plucked out your own eyes, and have given them to me.
Exactly! God is not a Man nor Man is God. Divine Nature is not Human Nature nor Human Nature is Divine Nature. Son is God and Man. 100% God and 100% Man. Fully God and Fully Man. He is not a Hybrid (50% God and 50% Man). Son's Divine Nature is distinct from his Human Nature...
Proof #13 The Son is God and Man KNOWS DAY AND HOUR, DOES NOT KNOW DAY AND HOUR Objection on the Deity of the Son: Mark 13:32 New King James Version 32 “But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. God is Omniscient; He knows all things. The Son does not know the day and the hour of his coming to restore the kingdom; therefore, he can not be God. The Son is God and Man. 100% God and 100% Man. When he said that he does not know the day and the hour of his coming to restore the kingdom; he is talking in respect of his humanity. He is saying that no angels or humans, including himself as human, know it. Now, the question is: Is the Son being God knows the day and the hour of his coming to restore the kingdom? The answer to that is yes. Acts 1:6-7 New King James Version 6 Therefore, when they had come together, they asked Him, saying, “Lord, will You at this time restore the kingdom to Israel?” 7 And He said to them,➡️“It is not for you to know times or seasons⬅️which the Father has put in His own authority. Take note: The Son said, "It is not for you to know times or seasons." He did not say, "It is not for us to know times or seasons." By not including himself, he is implying that he does know the day and the hour of his coming to restore the kingdom. Are there other verses that would prove that Jesus is Omniscient? Yes John 21:17 New King James Version 17 He said to him the third time, “Simon, son of Jonah, do you love Me?” Peter was grieved because He said to him the third time, “Do you love Me?” And he said to Him, “Lord, You know all things; You know that I love You.” Jesus said to him, “Feed My sheep. John 16:30 New King James Version 30 Now we are sure that You know all things, and have no need that anyone should question You. By this we believe that You came forth from God.” JESUS' DIVINITY - KNOWS DAY AND HOUR JESUS' HUMANITY - DOES NOT KNOW DAY AND HOUR
@@jeffreytrinidad3564 @jeffreytrinidad3564 Don't turn from the truth, there's only one God and one mediator between man and God. The mediator is a man. 1 Tim 2:5. Did Apostle Paul lie when he said this? Was what he said just a figure of speech? No. That's the truth. 1 Tim 2:7 "Whereunto I am ordained a preacher, and an apostle, (I speak the truth in Christ, and lie not) a teacher of the gentiles in the faith and verity."
And that's what the Bible says in Deuteronomy 4:2, 12:32, Matthew 5:18-19 and Revelation 22:18-19. That's why the true believers of GOD'S word written in the BIBLE is the IGLESIA NI CRISTO(CHURCH OF CHRIST).
@Ven I pray that divine revelation is given in your Bible study. Whether it be described as Trinity or Complex unity, there is a very unique existence beyond our earthly understanding of YHWH. Even the Torah describes the being of Elohim in the multiple. Learn the Hebrew Alef Bet and you will see what humans can only describe as the Trinity. Please do not limit Our God to our limited human understanding. We should continue to grow and mature in our faith to not be so dependent on milk but to mature and eat solid food built on a strong Biblical foundation. Adonai please help us all to know and be after your heart.
@@renitapura2325 the prayer of Lord Jesus in John 17:3 is a solid food built on a strong biblical foundation- “And this is ETERNAL LIFE that they may know YOU(not us) the only true God and Jesus Christ whom you SENT.” HOW SHOULD WE KNOW THE FATHER? The only true God. HOW SHOULD WE KNOW JESUS? Sent by God. WHAT IS THE REWARD IF WE KNOW THE FATHER AS THE ONLY TRUE GOD? “Eternal life.” I appreciate your prayer friend, but the prayer of Lord Jesus is what really matters because it comes with ETERNAL LIFE, yours doesn’t. I hope, someday, Jesus prayer will also touch your heart.
Amen. Luwalhati sa Ama, at sa Anak, at sa Espiritu Santo, kapara noong unang una, ngayon at magpakailanman, at magpasawalang hanggan. Siya nawa! 💖 [4] May iisang katawan at iisang Espiritu, kung paanong may iisang pag-asa na para doon kayo'y tinawag ng Diyos. [5] May iisang Panginoon, iisang pananampalataya at iisang bautismo, [6] iisang Diyos at Ama nating lahat. Siya ay higit sa lahat, kumikilos sa lahat, at nananatili sa lahat. (Mga Taga-Efeso 4:4-6 MBBTAG12)
Mali sinabi mo hahahah, You are the one who believe what you want to believe, like trinity/unitary. The bible is clear, why trying to twist with imagination.
@@theuglyme4304And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began. Pakipaliwanag nga yan kahit si ventilador hindi maipaliwanag
56:01 When the minister said according to the scripture, that God is eternal, immortal and invisible, and asked about if Jesus is God because he died. Doesn't Jesus have a spirit? is the spirit dead? No. God was with the Word, God sent the Word, and God was the Word, Who was the Word? ain't Jesus the word? Because nobody could see God, hear God, he made himself known through Christ (the WORD). God could not communicate with lower dimension beings like us humans, in his true form which is the spirit, the energy, the invisible, and eternal. And that is why he sent the word to this lower dimension through a physical body in his son Jesus. Again, was God the word? certainly, it is pretty obvious in the scripture which said that GOD was with the WORD, God sent the WORD, and God was the WORD. When the word died, or when Jesus died, did his spirit die? No, because the spirit was God, what died is his physical body or the vessel in which he sent the word, the physical body which was Jesus. Obviously, the INC minister whoever that is, could not comprehend on that statement.
Hi there Mr. Buckets. May I kindly ask you, who taught you about John 1:1, which is composed of 3 clauses? May I also kindly ask what religion are you affiliated with? Just curious. And one more question; do you have any knowledge of the Greek language? Thank you and also thank you for sharing your perspective on God and the Word. 🙂
@@UnforeseenTruth I would kindly insist, you counter argue on the statement. I may be right, and I maybe wrong. But then again, I only made a statement that of the time stamp inserted.
Apparently to the INC when one dies one will cease to exist. I'm only following the question Joe asked during the debate. Joe said "So when you die you don't cease to exist?" or something to that effect.
@@buckets4527 Oh sure, not a problem. I just wanted to be respectful of your inputs. So I thought I try to learn more about where you are coming from but sure, I won’t mind giving you our position on John 1:1. I'm always open to having a Christian loving discussion and making new friends. At the end of the day, I always respect people’s opinions and positions. All we can do is put it out there and let them decide what they will do with the information and people can judge for themselves if they believe the information to be right or wrong for them. I tell you what, please allow me to prepare my response and I will get back to you promptly. And if you would rather have a private conversation I would not mind sharing my personal contact details with you too. Whatever environment that may make you feel more comfortable.
@@buckets4527 (Part 2 of 2) Therefore the greatest witness of them all - (Christ), clearly stated that the the Father is also His God and Father! In fact this verse alone should close all doors as to whom the true God really is; in addition, Christ introducing His Father as the only true God in John 17:1 and 3. So now that I have proven without any shadow of doubt that John 1:1 clause ( a ), ( b ), and ( c ) does not support the interpretation that God became a man in Jesus Christ, other than that the Logos or Plan of God is the fulfillment of God’s plan of salvation when God “made” His plan “become flesh,” which was fulfilled in no other than in His Son Christ Jesus! (Jn. 1:14), (Lk. 1:27, 31 ), (Lk. 2:7,11). This is a clear manifestation of God's DIVINE PLAN of salvation being fulfilled when Christ was born of Mary. Thus, Christ was indeed a created being before the foundation of the world as the LOGOS or PLAN of GOD. Christ did not preexist yet in physical or spiritual form in heaven. Therefore the "beginning"in John 1:1 clause "a" is the plan of God about Christ and salvation before all things were created by God. Christ was already part of God's master plan of salvation in that particular begining of time. Thus, John 1:1 clause "a" cannot refer to God Himself, for God has no beginning and no end as we have well established. I hope this will enlighten you on our position of this biblical Truth. Remember TRUTH does NOT contradict TRUTH. God, Christ and the Apostles do NOT contradict themselves in Scripture. PLAIN and SIMPLE.
1 John 5:20 KJV [20] And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.
John 1:1 KJV [1] In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. the Word was God, referring to Jesus Christ, and verse 14 says the Word was made flesh. This is the biblical Jesus Christ, the real deity of Christ. The Word was with God in the begging. John 1:14 KJV [14] And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
@@yummytv2867 John 1:1??? “Word was God” is an adjective, not a noun. Example:”Time is GOLD” or “Heart of GOLD”-adj, not literal GOLD. WHY was the word called God? Because “no word from God shall be void of POWER”-Luke 1:37ASV John 1:14??? That’s correct, “Word was made flesh”; NOT: God was made flesh. QUESTION: If Jesus is God, what is the PURPOSE of what he said in his prayer for us, that we may know the Father as the only true God?-Jn17:1,3
@@ven6372 meanwhile in other verses: John 10:30, Jesus said I and the Father are one, and the Jews tried to stone him because of the blasphemy because Jesus is claiming to be God.
Proof #15 The Father and the Son are one God John 17:3 & 1st John 5:20 BEING IDENTICAL TWINS WHO IS THE ONLY TRUE GOD? John 17:3 New King James Version (NKJV) 3 And this is (b)ETERNAL LIFE, that they may (c)KNOW YOU, the only (d)TRUE GOD, and (c)JESUS CHRIST whom you have sent. 1st John 5:20 New King James Version (NKJV) 20 And we know that the Son of God has come and has given us an understanding, that we may (c)KNOW HIM who is true; and we are in Him who is true, in (c)HIS SON JESUS CHRIST. This is the (d)TRUE GOD and (b)ETERNAL LIFE. Similarities between John 17:3 and 1st John 5:20 Who is the only true God? a) First, it was written by the same person, John. b) Second, eternal life were present in both. c) Third, knowing the Father and the Son were present in both. d) Fourth, true God were present in both. e) If you really try to understand John 17:3 and 1st John 5:20, they were really identical to each other. In what way? They were both saying that: (b) ETERNAL LIFE (c) IS KNOWING THE FATHER AND THE SON (d) AS THE ONLY TRUE GOD
Acts 2:22-“Jesus is a MAN attested(certified) by God” U see that friend? God attested or certified Jesus is man. James White is trying to DISMANTLE God’s DECREE, meaning he is being utilized by Satan.
Nagulat ba si Tomas ng sabihin niya sa Panginoong Hesus na PANGINOON KO AT DIOS KO? Kalokohang aral ng INC iyan dahil sa oras na iyan ay sumasampalataya si Tomas😎
Roman del prado Ikaw ba maniniwala ka na namamatay ang Diyos. Baka sabihin mo hndi. Kasi kung tatanggapin niyo din na tunay na Diyos ang Panginoong Jesus Cristo Nakuh baka dalawa na ang Diyos ngayon. Labag na yan sa kalusulatan na nakasulat sa biblia.
@@kevinmagalong5110 kung susundan ang logic mo ang katawan lang pala ang binuhay…..pero nung nabuhay ang katawan hindi ba si Cristo yon? huwag mong sabihing katawan lang ang nabuhay si Cristo hindi kasama. logic mo galing kay soriano. ganyan ang itinuro niya sa inyo.
If you’ve watched the entire debate with an unbiased and neutral perspective, you know who won. The main points or arguments should have been addressed directly, rather than through assumptions or putting words in others' mouths. We must take the teachings of the scripture as a whole-Tota Scriptura. The scriptures should harmonize, not contradict each other. If you believe only part of it and claim it as the truth, you're essentially implying that the Bible is corrupted, as other scriptures are meant to be unified. Kudos to Dr. White for remaining compassionate to everyone, especially towards INC members, as he understands that eternity is at stake.
DrWhite stands or beliefs contradict what Jesus said in his prayer for us, that we may know the Father as the only TRUE God-John 17:1,3 DrWhite is very naive about the Bible, he used John 17:5 to prove Jesus is God; he don’t know that ALL CHRISTIANS were with/in God also BEFORE THE CREATION OF THE WORLD as written in Ephesians 1:4 Only people who lack wisdom from the Bible think DrWhite won the debate.
Ang nilikha ay hindi dapat sambahin. Tanging ang Diyos lamang ang nararapat sambahin ng mga nilikha. Si Jesus ay hindi nilikha. Siya ay Manlilikha. Siya ay Diyos!
Lmao, panganay nga siya sa lahat ng nilikha😂 Ano pinagsasabi mo Colossians 1:15 The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.
When he said that, are they equal? While he was speaking about that, his father is in heaven as spirit and Jesus himself was human. So how they become one.
If Jesus is a mere man, anybody from us can be Jesus, a candidate to be Lord! How lucky is Jesus to be given the position to be worship, authority and dominion.
@@jaymonteclaro8368 Acts2:22nkjv-“Jesus of Nazareth, a MAN attested(certified) by God” U see that bro? God ATTESTED or certified Jesus is a man. Anyone, like James White, who try to ABOLISH God’s DECREE is being utilized by Satan.
Theere is no negative side when I'm with the ONE TRUE GOD. Thanks to Mr. Ventacion..Keep it up! Let the world knows how difficult for you to understand, to see, and to hear. I can die peacefully now.
@@chadnoe8660 youre the false Christ who believes on something that not written on bible, Christ was the one who said he's a human. even the apostle believes that.
@@janmichaelcudiamat7814 Here you go the obvious Trinity. Matthew 28:19 NKJV Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, Jesus as God: Titus 2:13 NKJV looking for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ, Holy Spirit as God: Acts 5:3-4 NKJV But Peter said, "Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit and keep back part of the price of the land for yourself? [4] While it remained, was it not your own? And after it was sold, was it not in your own control? Why have you conceived this thing in your heart? You have not lied to men but to God." And of course the Father as God: 1 Corinthians 15:24 NKJV Then comes the end, when He delivers the kingdom to God the Father, when He puts an end to all rule and all authority and power. The Trinity exists it’s easy to see.
@@janmichaelcudiamat7814 Jesus is God that came to earth in the flesh by being born of a virgin as was prophesied in the Old Testament by Isiah. He is God with us! Isaiah 7:14 NKJV Therefore the Lord Himself will give you a sign: Behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a Son, and shall call His name Immanuel. Matthew 1:21,23 NKJV And she will bring forth a Son, and you shall call His name JESUS, for He will save His people from their sins." [23] "Behold, the virgin shall be with child, and bear a Son, and they shall call His name Immanuel," which is translated, "God with us."
@@troyjoshuasalomon9361 The Father Made Jesus Lord and CHRIST(Messiah or savior). If Jesus was God he should have been savior and has no need to be appointed by another God. Acts 2:36 American Standard Version (ASV) Let all the house of Israel therefore know assuredly, that God hath made him both Lord and Christ, this Jesus whom ye crucified. 1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the MAN Christ Jesus, Its clear that God Elected Jesus who is a man to be the ONE MEDIATOR BETWEEN MAN AND GOD. Never does the verse states he has dual nature. Why would the bible hide this important fact for centuries when the Father revealed himself numerous times but never once was Christ mentioned? Now your question of how can a man forgive sins. Have you read that the Apostles also was given the power to forgive sins? Are they also God because they also made miracles? Also you haven't even denied that Christ was a CREATED BEING. You cannot be God or the Creator if you are CREATED Colossians 1:15 The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.
@@cyanara5523 The broader context of Colossians 1, particularly verses 16-17, shows Jesus as the agent of creation, reinforcing His preeminence and excluding the interpretation that He is a created being. The text states all things were created in Him, through Him, and for Him. Biblical Examples: The term "firstborn" in the Bible often indicates rank and privilege. David, though the youngest son, is called "firstborn" due to his preeminent position (Psalm 89:27). This supports the interpretation of "firstborn" as indicating status rather than chronological order. The term "firstborn of all creation" in Colossians 1:15 indicates Jesus' supreme authority and preeminence over all creation. It does not imply that He is part of creation but rather that He is its sovereign Lord.
Dear INC members, i have a question for you and all the INCs out there. Just simply answer with a YES or NO. Is JESUS CHRIST created by GOD the FATHER? Does INC believe that JESUS CHRIST is created by GOD the FATHER? YES or NO?
@@jeffreytrinidad3564 Now this is eternal life: that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent. John 17:3 This verse emphasizes Jesus Christ addressing the FATHER as the "ONLY TRUE GOD" while distinguishing Himself (Jesus) as the one sent by the Father.
John 17:3 New King James Version 3 And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent. Jesus is praying for his Jewish Disciples. Born Jews, grew up as Jews and had the Old Testament as their Scriptures; SURELY AND DEFINITELY ALL THEIR LIFE, THEY KNEW THE FATHER IS THE ONLY TRUE GOD. 1) Why would Jesus still need to pray for them to know the Father is the only true God? 2) If Jesus only wanted his Jewish disciples to know the Father is the only true God; why did he not put period (.) after true God? 3) If Jesus only wanted his Jewish disciples to know the Father is the only true God; why did he used "and" even adding himself? 4) Is the used of "only" here only pertains to the Father? 5) Does John 17:3 have an identical or twin verse in the New Testament?
Dr.James did not prove what he believe my friend that person ask him if Christ a man he said yes and then ask again if god is man no Dr white said and Dr.james avoid the next rebutal....that's why he ask again to explain himself he just try to confuse the man he even ask for a time that man just let him for he has already prove his point.....good thing the time is up..... ✌️✌️✌️✌️
At time segment 1:46, Mr Ventilacion did not know that when Jesus said "you are the only true God", Jesus was looking up in heaven. In Heaven there's no other God of course but the Father.
Samuel Cajeles Every man dont have to look up in heaven to speak to the Father. They can speak to God by bowing their heads thru their prayers. Jesus knows more than any man on earth that the Father is the only true God. When Jesus look up in heaven He knows that the Father is God in heaven above and over the earth below. Im sure you are not aware of this verses. Deut.4:39 ISV May you acknowledge and take to heart this day that the Lord is God in heavens above and over the earth below-there is no other God. Isa.43:10 There was no God before Him, and there will be no God that will come after Him. There is no God besides God. Isa.45:5 No God like God. Isa.46:9 No God With God. Deut.32:39 God is God alone. Psalm 86:10 For I am God and there is none else. Isa.45:22 The lord is our God, the God alone. Deut. 6:4 ISV
@@ven6372 well the Scriptures said in John 4.24 "God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth". INC don't believe that the Holy Spirit is God. What they've thought was the Holy Spirit as "it" not "HE". This is the problem of INC, They clearly don't know who God is and that is a terrible truth.
@@ilcap our lord Jesus said: the FATHER IS THE ONLY TRUE GOD-Jn.17:3, SAME with INC. With this in mind, Jesus describe the Father as Spirit, not a PERSON as trinitarian insist. It makes more sense to believe Jesus than to believe you.
@@ven6372 INC believe in that verse and I believe it also. That the Father is the ONLY true God, but other verses in the Scriptures where Jesus mentioned His divinity (having the same attributes of God). I beleive it also. INC don't beleive it. INC pick and choose what to believe, and if the verses implies Jesus was God, INC tried to get all kinds of translation to get to the "right" words to support their false doctrine.
I was a member of INC by faith since 2006. Nevertheless, I'm totally unsure about the diety of Christ. On the other hand, my faith changed a few weeks ago. This video gave me more of what I believe in that JESUS CHRIST is the ONE TRUE GOD. AMEN... My family should see these because our Time has started to end. May the Spirit of JESUS be with us now and forevermore.
Acts 2:22nkjv-“Jesus of Nazareth, a MAN attested (certified) by God” U see that bro? God ATTESTED or certified Jesus is a man. Anyone, like James White, who try to ABOLISH God’s DECREE is being utilized by Satan. *If Jesus is God, what is the PURPOSE of what he said in his prayer for us, that we may know the Father as the only true God?-Jn17:1,3 *If Jesus is God, why God ATTESTED or certified Jesus is a man?-Acts2:22
@@elyhonor2779The FATHER is The one and only true GOD. JESUS is a man but not an ordinary man. HE will be sent by GOD come judgment day to save GOD'S chosen ones. IGLESIA NI CRISTO or CHURCH OF CHRIST IS The one and only true church purchased by the blood of CHRIST, ( ACTS 20:28 LAMSA TRANSLATION).💚🤍♥️💚🤍♥️💚🤍♥️💚🤍♥️
@@TeclaKinumuraare you kidding? Does that mean that churches before 1914 were all fake? Does that mean that before your INC registered in SEC people are doomed and destined to hell? LOL
The first one who want to save us is the GOD THE FATHER....and He sent HIS SON JESUS CHRIST TO BE OUR SAVIOR...THE SAVIOR OF HIS CHURCH ,THE CHURCH OF CHRIST.
I’m part of the Restoration Movement Churches of Christ/ Christian churches when American Missionaries arrived in the Philippines around 1901; Felix Manalo, who was a former member of the original church of christ group break away from the Trinity teachings and started INC (Iglesia ni cristo) around 1914. They’re different. What they teach is dangerous others are misled.
The original Church is the Church of Christ 1914 thats the reason why bro manalo was set apart to preach the true teaching of the monotheistic faith and that is the teaching of Christ Himself in John17:1-3 that the Father alone is the only true God and this leads to eternal life and does not misleads people....
@@powerant1914 I suggest you watch the whole video and understand the context of John 17. Also, claiming as the only “true” church of christ and discarding other Mainline movements prior to 1914 is a little bit presumptuous. It just gives an impression that you’re attached to a one-man founder on year 1914 and label others as not true. God Bless you.
@@ericsavellano Thats the reason if you are set apart by God... God has a chosen people just like in the old testament, israel was the first to be chosen by God as His own special people (Deut.7:6-8; Rom.9:4)... For example, in the new testament times, you are one of the believers of God in the world a very devoted to God but then you do not belong to the Church where apostle paul belong to therefore what did apostle paul say? "God having provided something better for us, that they should not be made perfect apart from us... For I bear them witness that they have a zeal for God, but not according to knowledge. For they being ignorant of God’s righteousness, and seeking to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted to the righteousness of God." (Heb.11:40; Rom.10:2-3).... So if youre not part of the one true Church then youre just a believer but not chosen....
@@powerant1914 so the Iglesia ni Manalo is the one true church for you? (just asking nicely) The irony is, the church of christ/ christian church who set out first around 1901 (where felix manalo break away from) had a slogan that “we are christians but we’re not the only christians” - Like we know we’re Christians but we don’t claim we’re the only ones in the last days. And, for you, here you have a random dude in the Philippines claiming to be the last Sugo and his followers to be the “only chosen people”? Like, historically speaking, Luther Calvin Wesley and all the other First Second Wave Mainline leaders are not Christians?! Just the group that was founded in 1914?
@@ericsavellano So let me ask you, where is the church of christ 1901 now? Are they christian trinitarians or unitarians? Do they still praise the Lord as stated in Eph.3:20-21 that all who belong to the Church must praise Him forever? Are they the prophesied Church in John10:16; Acts20:28?
Dumbfounded? Who was arrogant? They were so calm. Maybe start reading the bible and researchthe culture, language, and the state of mind of the author not just cherry picked verses by your admin. Maybe light may shine upon you.
@@ninjamania537 Joe was very arrogant.. hard to listen to especially in the beginning and I'm only 40 minutes into the video. He was acting very childish
mga sulpot pasok. itong joe na ito yung pumunta sa israel tapos sinusubo nya sa mga judio yung doctrina.nila sa inm.kala nya yata mga sulpot ang mga israel.pinagtatawan sya dun.hahaha.
I am a filipino and now i truly believe in the Trinity especially the true nature of the Lord Jesus being the GodMan... What a unique God (monogenes theos)! I left inc because of dr white but most especially accepting the Lord Jesus as my Adonai...
@@rowelatanacio3787 Matthew 12:32 [32]And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.
He may look arrogant but he is telling the truth. I appreciate the calmness of Dr. White too but he's understanding on verse sorry to say to you was mistaken. Dr. White clearly the best trinitarian debator i heard so far that clearly explaining the point of the trinity. But when he saying he believed in one God and the Son differ from God the Father, but he share BEING a God thats not believing in One God anymore, unless He is refering to the Doctrine of Oness which is The Father and The Son and The Holy Spirit is only one Person. And also he mentioned Jesus is also Yaweh? is that a Oness Doctrine. So the Doctribe of the Trinity is complicated, Id rather Believed to what The Lord Jesus said who is the True God that every Christian should know and thats only the Father John 17:3
Its depends how you look the way he’s teaching , maybe from your side its an arrogant , but from the other side they considered it the true and biblical preaching
@@markjohn9382 if the persons share the being I don't understand why you said it's not believing in one God. ONE there is the being that is shared by the three. They're not independent beings therefore not three Gods.
White's opening statement- 8:36 Ventilacion's first CE for White- 28:47 Ventilacion's opening statement/first rebuttal against White- 40:45 White's first CE for Ventilacion- 1:01:30 White's first rebuttal against Ventilacion- 1:13:17 Ventilacion's second CE for White- 1:33:14 Ventilacio's second rebuttal against White- 1:43:52 White's second CE for Ventilacion- 2:04:19 White's closing statement and final/second rebuttal for Ventilacion- 2:15:18 Ventilacion's third/final CE for White- 2:30:31 Ventilacion's closing statement and third/final rebuttal for White- 2:36:10 White's third/final CE for Ventilacion- 2:51:36
MAYBE IT IS CLEAR TO YOU BUT FOR ME. NO. IT IS VERY CLEAR THAT IN JOHN 17:3 JESUS WANTS US TO UNDERSTAND THAT THERE IS ONLY ONE GOD, THE FATHER-NOT JESUS, THE SON. JESUS TESTIFY THAT HE WAS SENT BY GOD.
@@dinanumlaunion2073 I'm an SDA member snd we believe in trinity like Dr. J. White. Please read these passages ; Jeremiah 10:10 and 1Cor. 8: 6 and analyze it thorouhly
Is it the Iglesia ni Cristo which was found by felix ysagun manalo...and you can find in. Pasugo magazine...or iglesia ni Cristo founded by God Himself...and the one you can find in the bible?
Isaiah 42:8 “I am the LORD; that is my name! I will not give my glory to anyone else, nor share my praise with carved idols. Is God not true to himself? of course not God cannot lie! John 17:1 After saying all these things, Jesus looked up to heaven and said, “Father, the hour has come. Glorify your Son so he can give glory back to you. All glory belongs to God! Which God? God the Father God the Son God the Holy Spirit Period end of argument To God be the Glory!
What is John 17:5 then? Jesus lays claim to a previous glory that was His before the time of creation. Jesus asks that the Father would give His glory to another, namely Himself; more than that, Jesus proclaims that He has already shared in that divine glory as the pre-existent Son of God. What are we to make of Jesus’ prayer, in light of Scripture’s unambiguous decree that God will not give His glory to another? Either Jesus is blaspheming, or He is indeed who He claimed: the eternal Son of God who is worthy to “sit on his glorious throne” (Matthew 25:31). We believe that Jesus is “in very nature God” (Philippians 2:6) and that “in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form” (Colossians 2:9). He is worthy to be praised.
@@zoneteiko2995 Is Jesus not everlasting? did he not came back to life after 3 days? John 8:58 Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.” He existed before abraham and called himself I Am. Who is in the old testament indentify itself as I Am? Exodus 3:14 God said to Moses, “I AM WHO I AM. This is what you are to say to the Israelites: ‘I AM has sent me to you.’” Luke 1:26-33 26In the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent from God to a city of Galilee named Nazareth, 27to a virgin betrothedb to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David. And the virgin’s name was Mary. 28And he came to her and said, “Greetings, O favored one, the Lord is with you!”c 29But she was greatly troubled at the saying, and tried to discern what sort of greeting this might be. 30And the angel said to her, “Do not be afraid, Mary, for you have found favor with God. 31And behold, you will conceive in your womb and bear a son, and you shall call his name Jesus. 32He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High. And the Lord God will give to him the throne of his father David, 33and he will reign over the house of Jacob forever, and of his kingdom there will be no end.” His Kingdom has no end. note Only God has a kingdom that has no end. A Full proof that Jesus is God. You have been deceived by that organization. Study the bible for yourself and you will find the truth and truth will set you free.
Because the Father didn't reveal his Son to these worshipping cults like INC.... Matthew 11:27 All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him.
The trinity makes the clear message of the gospel unclear. Did Jesus say: And he said: “Truly I tell you, unless you change and become like philosophers, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven."? Or: And he said: “Truly I tell you, unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven."? 1 Cor 2:1-5 God Bless ❤
The clear message is God became human, died, and rose again on the 3rd day. What's ironic is all of us believe that God is all powerful and yet this is somehow not possible? 🤦
Magbasa po tayo ng Bibliya para malaman natin ang katotohanan sa tulong ng Banal na Espiritu. Marami na ngayong relihiyon na manlilinlang. Wag po tayong ignorante sa salita ng Diyos. Individually should read the Bible po.
Khit po bumasa ng bumasa pghindi po sinugo ng Dios hindi po mkkarating sa pgkaalam ng katotohanan ayon nga k Apostol Pablo araw Gabi nagsisipag aral ngunit hindi makarating sa pgkaalam ng katotohanan
@@LeoDamian-mi8op kaya nga po kailangan ang tulong ng Banal na Espiritu na syang gagabay sa atin para malaman ang Katotohanan kasi kung tayo2 lang o sarili nating pang unawa talagang lilihis tayo sa katotohanan at madali tayong malinlang.
James White is just trying to understand the bible grammatically and is too dramatic. Especially at 2:16:00 onwards. His last stand. You can't even see him gettingm his bible. Most of his words are from his own understanding. But I like his professionalism. Joe Ventilacion, if you noticed, he always based everything in the bible ang explaning spiritual things from verse to verse logically. For me, he brought in more arguments that trapped his opponents using bible verses. For me, he won.
Joe didn't base everything from the Bible, he avoided verses that he was being asked to read to put it into context. It is actually very sad to see how many unintelligent filipinos there are because there is no way anybody can think Joe won the debate. You can't win a debate if you cherry pick verses and avoid other verses that refute the narrative you are making. The INC is a filipino knock off of the JW's and Mormons. It just shows that there are filipinos who are very illiterate.
John 17:3 New King James Version 3 And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent. Jesus is praying for his Jewish Disciples. Born Jews, grew up as Jews and had the Old Testament as their Scriptures; SURELY AND DEFINITELY ALL THEIR LIFE, THEY KNEW THE FATHER IS THE ONLY TRUE GOD. 1) Why would Jesus still need to pray for them to know the Father is the only true God? 2) If Jesus only wanted his Jewish disciples to know the Father is the only true God; why did he not put period (.) after true God? 3) If Jesus only wanted his Jewish disciples to know the Father is the only true God; why did he used "and" even adding himself? 4) Is the used of "only" here only pertains to the Father? 5) Does John 17:3 have an identical or twin verse in the New Testament?
@@jeffreytrinidad3564 Your argumentation is so weak. Just becoz he used "and" does that mean he is included in that one true God? If he really meant to include himself, he should say "US" instead of "YOU" as the only true God. But never a hint did he tell "US" becoz he describes himself as the messenger sent by the one true GOD who is the Father.
John 17:3 New King James Version 3 And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent. This verse does not prove that the Father is the only true God. Here's the reasons why: Reasons why John 17:3 is not only the Father, but the Father and the Son. 1) Jesus is praying for his disciples who are Jews. Born as Jews, growing up as Jews and having the Old Testament as their Scriptures; they definitely believed and knew all their life that the Father is the only true God. Jesus does not need to pray for them to know the Father as the only true God.
"SAVED BY THE BELL" is used when one has been saved by the timely intervention of something or someone, or when One has been rescued from difficulty at the last second. -DOCTOR WHITE 👏👏👏
Bro .JOE VINTILACION anwers and explanations is really very clear ! They can’t catch up the truth ,and understand the right explanation from the Bible ! Proud to be a member of the Church of Christ !❤️😘
so wrong, cannot understand the bible if we only pic a verse that on confirms what t we believe yet we forget the whole picture of the main context and the whole scripture
Dr. James White does not understood how Bro. Joe explains John 14:28. That verse shows that Christ is going to the Father, not becoming one BEING with the Father, Lord Jesus didn't even says in that verse that He is going to the place where He originally came from. Dr. James White changed/added his own explanation (own opinion) to Lord Jesus True Words. How did he say so? In that verse, Jesus says that He is going to the Father (it's simple). But how Dr. James answer? He says that Christ is going back to where He came from. In that verse also Jesus states that The Father is greater than Him. If Jesus is God, then why He states that there is greater than Him, and we know that there is no greater than God itself. Jesus don't lie my friend, he speaks the truth. Even if Jesus is not God, still according to the Bible which INC have faith in Jesus is Lord. We still need to worship Him for the Glory of the Father (The one and only true God).
Do you not see how ventilacion refused to do proper exegesis when confronted with 2 peter 1:1 and 1:13? ventilacion avoided to truly and honestly answer the question. again ventilacion never proved unitarianism he merely assumed it. Stop being hypnotized by your so called iglesia. Your iglesia is no different from the catholic church especially with regards to sexual immorality.
I agree with you. I noticed he based more on his own opinions. Unlike the INC everything is based in the Bible. I am an INC convert tired of hearing those preachers giving examples through their own opinions to look them smart about the Bible.
You are deceived my friend, shame on you believing that cult , inc. Those who believe the teaching of this cult is going to face the judgement of the Alpha and the Omega, the God-Man Jesus Christ.
@@ChiSoter_2024 Yes, but with utmost respect. HE is not an ordinary man but HE is not GOD. HE will be sent by GOD to save HIS chosen people come judgment day🙏#INC ( CHURCH OF CHRIST)
John 10:30 In 28 I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand. 29 My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father's hand. 30 "I and the Father are one.”
Hahaha sa 1:11:11 sinabi ni joe na hinde pa nag eexist so jesus nung bago pa man ang san libutan pero gumagamit ng talata galing sa gospel ni John, unang berso palang sinabi na the word was in the beginning, was means ng yari na so sinungaling ba si john? Kaya kayong mga iglesia palawakin nyo logic nyo pang grade schooler na logic nalang pinapahirapan pa sarili
Hindi mo ba alam ang ibig sabihin ng verbo? Sa pasimula sya ang Verbo kung alam mo lang sana kung anong ibig sabihin ng Salita o Verbo maiintindihan mo na hindi pa existido si Cristo bago pa lalangin ang sanlibutan 😂
Saan ba kinuha ang salitang Verbo? Kinuha yan sa latin word na Logos ano ibig sabihin ng Logos? Logos - Longer definition: The Greek word logos (traditionally meaning word, thought, principle, or speech) has been used among both philosophers and theologians Ngayun mo sabihin na existido na si Cristo bago pa lalangin ang sanlibutan🤣
@@RielDalagan-bv4in you just prove that james white was right. In the greek the word logos used by greek Philosophers, litterally means to rationalize to govern and develop the universe. The writer connects the Christian message to contemporary philosophical thought, indicating that Jesus is the ultimate rational principle governing creation.
@@RielDalagan-bv4inplus here pa in Jewish wisdom literature, "Word" often represents God's active force in creation and revelation. For instance, in the Old Testament, God's word is seen as a powerful agent in creation and communication. Your theology doesn't even fit the forefathers that have been way before us. Lol your denomination is a mockery
42:17 Kung ang Dios Ama ay "the only true God" ganun din ang Dios Ama dahil ang Dios Ama ay may Anak na Dios din and they are one proclaimed also by Jesus in John 10:30 "I and My Father are one.”
@@baklangsoriano1299 halos nalunod na nga kaka explain ministro nyo ganyan pa comment nyo..saka mali mali explanation ni Joe. Pinoy ako at nakaka hiya asal ni Joe
Absolutely, yes, Dr. White. Joe was not able to refute the facts you have presented in that debate. He rather, presented things that does not in any way refute the facts you have presented
Round 1, with Joe’s 20 minute presentation. He was refuting John 17:3 which Dr. White used. And to your understanding, how so did he not refute John 17:3 from Dr. White’s belief? 42:14 timestamp.
Watching this yr of 2024. I will never be convinced even when watching this debate, that Christ is God, He never will be!! John 8:40 "But now you seek to kill me, a Man who has told you the truth which I heard from God. Abraham did not do this" Hosea 11:9 (NKJV) God said "I will not execute the fierceness of My anger; I will not again destroy Ephraim. FOR I AM GOD, and not MAN, The Holy One in your midst; And I will not come in terror." Luke 24: 36-39(NKJV) "Why are you troubled? And why do doubts arise in your'hearts? Behold My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself. Handle Me and see, for a SPIRIT does not have FLESH and BONES as you see I have." John 4:24 "GOD is SPIRIT, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth." Malachi 3:6(NKJV) "For I am the Lord, I DO NOT CHANGE. Therefore you are not consumed, O sons of Jacob." Numbers 23:19 (NKJV) "God is not a Man, that He should lie, Nor a son of man, that He should repent. Has He said, and will He not do? Or has He spoken, and will He not make it good?" So what's the difference bet Christ and God Christ is MAN, He Died, Has a Beginning , Has Flesh and Bone, Hungers, Thirst, gets Tired. God is Spirit, Does not change, Has No Beginning, Doesn't Die, Doesn't get Tired, Hungry Nor Thirsty. No Flesh and Bone.
@@guileamacs7022 2Peter1:1??? “RIGHTEOUSNESS OF OUR GOD” is referring to the “GOSPEL OF JESUS”-Rom1:16-17 If Jesus is God, what is the PURPOSE of what he SAID in his prayer for us, that we may know the Father as the only true God?-John 17:1,3 Friend, I invite you and your love ones to study the Bible with Iglesia ni Cristo.
Q?TO YOU SIR, 1.GOD SAID,I AM THE LORD,AND THERE IS NO OTHER,THERE IS NO GOD BESIDES ME, 2.JESUS SAID,THEY MAY KNOW YOU,THE ONLY TRUE GOD, QUESTION,WHO IS THE TRUE GOD? NUMBER 1 OR NUMBER 2? PLEASE ANSWER THE RIGHT ANSWER SIR
@@jimmyvillarino5332 the sentence in #1, GOD said this to the Israelites in the old testament, therefore, JESUS was not yet sent by GOD to the world to redeem us from our sins. in sentence #2 JESUS has to tell this because HE is still in the state of MAN. I may quote in tagalog, ang DIYOS (JESUS CHRIST) ay "nagkatawang tao" upang maging hain sa kasalanan. kung tao si JESUS, bakit pa siya magkakatawang tao?
@@randyfernandez7515 SIR ANG Q? KO LANG AY ANG NUMBER 1 AT 2, WALA PA NAMAN AKONG Q? Sa NAGKATAWANG TAO ! UULITIN KO PO YONG NUMBER 1 OR NUMBER 2 SINO ANG TRUE GOD?
>tito 2:13 ''Awaiting the blessed hope of the appearance of the Glory of the great God and of our Savior Christ jesus''.. (Moffatt Translation) >''' While we wait for the happy hope and glorious manifestation of the great God and of our Savior Christ jesus'' (New World Translation) >'' While we wait for the happy hope and glorious manifestation of the great God and of [the] savior of us Christ jesus''.. ( The Kingdome Interlinear Translation of the Greek Scriptures) >''As we wait the blessed hope, the appearance of the glory of the great God and of our savior Jesus Christ''.(New American Bible Revised Edition)
Titus 1:4 (KJV) To Titus, mine own son after the common faith: Grace, mercy, and peace, from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ our Saviour. THE LORD GOD THE FATHER IS DIFFIRENT FROM HIS SON JESUS..USE YOUR COMMON SENSE
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Thank you for translating this. Incredibly important debate for the Philippines.
Yes it's very important so they can clearly understand that the Trinity doctrince is UNBIBLICAL.
Indeed. People now only need to open their eyes to see the cult that is the INC.
ruclips.net/video/ICwEKCM22GI/видео.htmlsi=RSlu1_BmVHCFhJVF
Amen Dr. James Iam a Filipino and I totally agree with you Glory to Jesus
yes because you believed that jesus is wrong spoken in john 8;40 and
john 17;3
is that so?
@@esperidionabella1841 Hindi kami tututol na tao si Cristo walang ganun hahahaha naging tao si Cristo kaya tao Siya but He is God too at yun ang di Niyo matanggap lolz
Namamatay Pala DIYOS mo kung ganun?? Sino ung kausap ni Jesus nung bagi siya mamatay s krus..AMA, Bakit mo ako pinabayaan?..
@@jayjohanannah3773di mo kasi alam yung purpose ng death pf Christ
@@JonelleJacob kanino siya nananalangin kung Diyos na siya? Ano yun kinakausap niya sarili niya? 😂
Amen Dr.James White. And now i know Jesus Christ is the prince of peace, my savior. Jesus coming quicky. Near at the door.
I just asked Mr. Joe? who will save you when Jesus Christ comes if he is not your God?
So if Jesus is just a prince. Who is his king????
The bible is very clear there us one God.
@@stephenwlodarczyk175 8pppp8pp9p pop p
@@jellynerlano88n5 yesd you're rightbif uou will just look at certain verses and not the all verses....
Well done Brother Joe Ventilacion🎉🎉If we can only open our mind to accept the truth what Jesus Christ preach🎉Loud and clear In Christian doctrine, believers hold that Jesus Christ is our Savior, distinct from God the Father, who is acknowledged as the one true God. The arrival of Jesus on Earth is seen by many as a divine sign, urging people to discern the true God amidst a history of idol worship. Scripture emphasizes the caution against idolatry, urging adherence to the way of God over alternative pursuits.
The trinity is mentioned many times in both old and new testament but people who don't understand ignore them. It's difficult to understand when we think of God's quality should be like of a man. But God is not simple like a mere man, he's more complex (the trinity) and powerful (divine). Felix Manalo did not quite get "trinity", God please forgive him. Please do yourself a favor, search "trinity explanation" on RUclips until you understand it. You will be so enlightened and will leave the INC cult.
@@sillydogsoupfriend, not a single verse in the Bible mentioned “Trinity”
In John 17:3, Jesus prayed for us, that we may know the Father
as the only true God.
If Jesus is God, what is the PURPOSE of what he said in his prayer for us, that we may know the Father as the only true God?
God Bless You Dr.James White
That minister was cursing in one of the youtube channel. And He Cursed after the name of Jesus Christ. That's blasphemy.
@@miguelmapilisan9683 Acts2:22nkjv-“Jesus of Nazareth, a MAN attested(certified) by God”
U see that friend?
God ATTESTED or certified Jesus is a man. Anyone, like James White, who try to ABOLISH God’s DECREE is being utilized by Satan.
Faithful servants of God will never be forsaken by the Lord God. He will work wonders to show His love for them. Thank you Brother Arto for sharing your story. Thank you to the Church Administration for constantly inspiring the members of the Church Of Christ with the words of our Lord God.
Tama po❤
Not unless you're in a cult
@@singhbalr1234 and that is why india and catholic is no improvement and heading to distructions
@@singhbalr1234???
@@rolandbrandobersabe7888 bruh I’m also from the philippines the hell are you talking about?
Who, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage; Philippians 2:6
Nobody can refute this ! It’s beautiful
INC Don't have this bible text in their Bible.
@@Gonefishing185
Phil 2:6KJV,GREEK TEXT-“in the FORM of God”; NOT: “nature” of God”
@@ven6372check that in greek
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Iam a Filipino and Jesus is my king my savior and my god!
Acts 2:22-“Jesus of Nazareth, a MAN attested(certified) by God”
U see that bro?
God ATTESTED or certified Jesus is a man. Anyone who try to ABOLISH God’s DECREE is being utilized by Satan.
Matthew 28 : 19
Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.
your God is a Man , seriously ?
@@dormamo6917
Matthew 28:19???
It’s about “baptism”
NOT being God.
When it comes to being God, it’s: “One God and Father of all”-Ephesians 4:6
NOT: ‘One God-Father, Son, HolySpirit
NO TRINITY.
@@ven6372 where in the say that no trinity?
Titus 2:13 in Other Translations
13 and is whetting our appetites for the glorious day when our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ, appears. 13 while we wait for the blessed hope and the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ.
Very well put sir..hats off to you..❤
Proven that the Lord JESUS CHRIST is GOD.
Yes! John 8:58 Before Abraham was born, I Am
Yes Lord Jesus is the "ego eimi" (I am He) (John8:24)
Which is the divine Name of God in the OT (Ex.3:14; Deut.32:39)....
AMEN
@@ChiSoter_2024 Well it was in the bible that "Jesus is god in human form"
@@JCMontallana
Yes
Wow, this debate cleared it up! I was once a trinitarian believer but Mr Ventelacion cleared it up! Thank you Father! Yahweh! The only One God.
Isaiah 46:9-10
New King James Version
9 Remember the former things of old,
For I am God, and there is no other;
I am God, and there is none like Me,
10🔸️Declaring the end from the beginning,
And from ancient times things that are not yet done,🔸️
Saying, ‘My counsel shall stand,
And I will do all My pleasure,’
Isaiah 52:6
New King James Version
6 Therefore My people shall know My name;
Therefore they shall know in that day
That➡️ I am He ⬅️who speaks:
‘Behold, it is I.’ ”
John 13:19
New King James Version
19🔸️Now I tell you before it comes, that when it does come to pass, you may believe🔸️that➡️ I am He.⬅️
John 8:24
New King James Version
24 Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for if you do not believe that➡️ I am He, ⬅️you will die in your sins.”
You clearly as lost as as that ignorant clown, joe is. All it takes is some basic Greek to understand.
It's ridiculous to say 'its been cleared it up' and 'Only one God exists
But not questioning if Jesus wasn't A God. Why he's perfectly being?
Doesn't it mean that One truly God is so biased due to the reason why he only choose one human?
GLARINGLY HOW HIS OWN CONCLUSIONS MANIPULATE THE VERSES....
This is what happens when you just give your own thoughts on every verses and not knowing the context behind it.
If Jesus is God , what is the PURPOSE of what he said in his prayer for us, that we may know the Father as the only true God?-John 17:1,3
@@ven6372 John 17:1-3 (Idk why you excluded verse 2) discusses about Jesus praying to be glorified and this shows his nature as a human. We, trinitarians believe that Jesus possesses 2 natures both human and divine. That's why you see verses that says Jesus is both human and God. Jesus and the father are distinct but not separate. I encourage you to also read and analyze the remaining verses of that very same passage carefully (John 17:4-5) because that doesn't sound like a "mere man" to me.
@mofuku9716 the bible is not like a novel where you have to finish from the first chapter to the last for you to understand it. Each verse has a corresponding truth to it that only a TRUE MESSENGER of God could interpret in accordance with the Truth. Once a false prophet like Mr. White tried to explain it by using his own knowledge and interpretation many will be astray and confused like he is. TRINITY is synonymous with STUPIDITY. Not supported by any bible verses but only by imagination and own interpretation.
@@mofuku9716 not a “mere man”, Jesus is a “divine man”
John 17:2???
Jesus is practicing what he preached, TO SEEK THE GLORY FROM GOD; if u don’t, u r not a believer-Jn5:44
John 17:5???
NOT ONLY JESUS, all Christians ALSO were chosen BEFORE THE CREATION OF THE WORLD as written in Ephesians 1:4-“For he chose us in him BEFORE THE CREATION OF THE WORLD”
@@mofuku9716 now answer my question: “If Jesus is God, what is the PURPOSE of what he said in his prayer for us, that we may know the Father as the only true God?-Jn17:1,3
CLUES FROM THE BIBLE ABOUT JESUS CHRIST'S TRUE NATURE (GOD):
1 John 5:20 "And we know that the Son of God has come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life."
Hebrews 1:8
But about the Son, he says, "Your throne, O God, will last forever and ever; a scepter of justice will be the scepter of your kingdom.
1 John 1:5
This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.
John 8:12
I Am the Light of the World
Again Jesus spoke to them, saying, “I am the light of the world. Whoever follows me will not walk in darkness, but will have the light of life.”
John 1:1
In the beginning, was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
John 1:14
And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
Revelation 19:13
"He is dressed in a robe dipped in blood, and his name is the Word of God."
Colossians 1:15
The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation.
Hebrews 1:3
The Son is the radiance of God's glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word. After he had provided purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty in heaven.
Colossians 2:9
For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives
John 6:62
Then what if you see the Son of Man ascend to where he was before!
1 Corinthians 15:46-48
46 The spiritual did not come first, but the natural, and after that the spiritual. 47 The first man was of the dust of the earth; the second man is of heaven. 48 As was the earthly man, so are those who are of the earth; and as is the heavenly Man, so also are those who are of heaven.
Hebrews 2:9
But we do see Jesus, who was made lower than the angels for a little while, now crowned with glory and honor because he suffered death, so that by the grace of God he might taste death for everyone.
Philippians 2:6-11
Who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped, but emptied himself, taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men. And being found in human form he humbled himself and became obedient unto death, even death on a cross.
John 4:24
God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth. "
John 1:18
No one has ever seen God,but the one and only Son, who is himself God and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known.
John 20:28
Thomas answered him, “My Lord and my God!”
Romans 9:5
Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob are their ancestors, and Christ himself was an Israelite as far as his human nature is concerned. And he is God, the one who rules over everything and is worthy of eternal praise! Amen.
Titus 2:13
while we wait for the blessed hope-the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ
2 Peter 1:1
Simon Peter, a servant, and apostle of Jesus Christ,
To those who through the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ have received a faith as precious as ours:
Matthew 28:18
Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.
John 8:58
"Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am.”"
Mark 14:61-62
But Jesus remained silent and gave no answer.
Again the high priest asked him, “Are you the Messiah, the Son of the Blessed One?”
“I am,” said Jesus. “And you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One and coming on the clouds of heaven.”
John 17:5
5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
John 5:23
That all may honor the Son just as they honor the Father. Whoever does not honor the Son does not honor the Father, who sent him.
Matthew 14:33
Then those who were in the boat worshiped him, saying, “Truly you are the Son of God.”
Philippians 2:10
That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth.
Colossians 1:16
"For by him, all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities-all things were created through him and for him."
John 1:3
"All things were made by him, and without him was not anything made that was made."
1 Peter 4:19
"So if you are suffering in a manner that pleases God, keep on doing what is right, and trust your lives to the God who created you,
Hebrews 1:6
"And again, when God brings his firstborn into the world, he says, 'Let all God's angels worship him. '"
Matthew 28:20
And teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”
John 17:3-5
3 Now this is eternal life: that they know you,(A) the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.4 I have brought you glory on earth by finishing the work you gave me to do.5 And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began.
ISAIAH 45:23
I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.
PHILIPPIANS 2:10
That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth
Revelation 1:17
"When I saw him, I fell at his feet as though dead. Then he placed his right hand on me and said: 'Do not be afraid. I am the First and the Last."
Revelation 1:8
“I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty.”
Acts 17:23-25
New International Version
23 For as I walked around and looked carefully at your objects of worship, I even found an altar with this inscription: to an unknown god. So you are ignorant of the very thing you worship-and this is what I am going to proclaim to you.
24 “The God who made the world and everything in it is the Lord of heaven and earth and does not live in temples built by human hands. 25 And he is not served by human hands, as if he needed anything. Rather, he himself gives everyone life and breath and everything else.
JOHN 14:1
14 “Do not let your hearts be troubled. You believe in God[a]; believe also in me.
JOHN 14:6-9
6 Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. 7 If you really know me, you will know[b] my Father as well. From now on, you do know him and have seen him.”
8 Philip said, “Lord, show us the Father and that will be enough for us.”
9 Jesus answered: “Don’t you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?
ROMANS 9:5
5 Theirs are the patriarchs, and from them is traced the human ancestry of the Messiah, who is God over all, forever praised! Amen.
JOHN 8:24
24 I told you that you would die in your sins; if you do not believe that I am he, you will indeed die in your sins.”
JOHN 8:58
58 “Very truly I tell you,” Jesus answered, “before Abraham was born, I am!
JOHN 13:19
19 “I am telling you now before it happens so that when it does happen you will believe that I am who I am.
JOHN 20:28
28 Thomas said to him, “My Lord and my God!”
JOHN 1:3-4
3 Through him all things were made; without him, nothing was made that has been made. 4 In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind.
COLOSSIANS 1:15-17
15 The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. 16 For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him. 17 He is before all things, and in him, all things hold together.
HEBREWS 1:1-8
1 In the past God spoke to our ancestors through the prophets at many times and in various ways, 2 but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom also he made the universe. 3 The Son is the radiance of God’s glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word. After he had provided purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty in heaven. 4 So he became as much superior to the angels as the name he has inherited is superior to theirs.
The Son Superior to Angels
5 For to which of the angels did God ever say,
“You are my Son;
today I have become your Father”[a]?
Or again,
“I will be his Father,
and he will be my Son”[b]?
6 And again, when God brings his firstborn into the world, he says,
“Let all God’s angels worship him.”[c]
7 In speaking of the angels he says,
“He makes his angels spirits,
and his servant's flames of fire.”[d]
8 But about the Son He says,
“Your throne, O God, will last forever and ever;
a scepter of justice will be the scepter of your kingdom.
2 PETER 1
Simon Peter, a servant, and apostle of Jesus Christ,To those who through the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ have received a faith as precious as ours:
JOHN 13:19
“I am telling you now before it happens so that when it does happen you will believe that I am who I am.
Thank you for the list of verses that you have posted on your position on the deity of Christ. I appreciate your effort despite our differences in belief and theology. At least you are reading the bible which is more than I can say about others. Thank you.
@@UnforeseenTruth You are always welcome my brother in Christ! May the Gifts of wisdom be upon us so that we can continue to enlighten others so that they may fully understand the Scripture. I'm inviting you to visit my RUclips channel kindly check the link below: God Bless! ruclips.net/channel/UCor8uQsXKq6e8fC3ZlKKVfgdiscussion
In the beginning ELOHIM (PLURAL FORM OF GOD) created tthe heavens ad the Earth.
180 ° U TURN!
Yes! Amen! Thank You Sir/Bro! I total 100% agree to all the numerous Biblical verses that you mention.
Thank You again Sir/Bro!
@@dennismorales7265 incorrect understand of the term.
Elohim means PLURAL OF MAJESTY, based on old hebrew translations, it literally only is given to the single entity of God. Not to the trinity, nor the son and especially not of the holy spirit.
If Elohim becomes a plural form in meaning, contradiction will exist because God said hes the one and only God.
P.s I was reading thru the comments and I just created a youtube account for this.
For Poseidon DZ -
1st point. Dont just use a single bible translation. Use multiple ones. You will get a different terminologies that are being used. And some of your verses will have contradictions to the rule of "One and Only God" as per stated by Christ himself on John 17:3. Because the term used in other scholars/translators regarding the term God is often interchanged with Lord (no direct description of who it refers to)
2nd point. If Christ is God, as your statement says, theres a contradiction with the statement that he made on Isaiah 43:10. This makes point of trinity null and void. Because Jesus and the Holy spirit was only declared to be God AFTER THE APOSTLES DIED.
3rd point. From a historical perspective. Changes of Jesus' Arianism was declared in the Council of Nicaea, 325AD, the apostles are long dead. IF AND ONLY IF JESUS WAS GOD, this shouldve been clearly taught by Jesus and his apostles themselves. However, ask any biblical scholar, they will say Jesus himself has never explicitly said he is the one true God. The only time this belief was changed was when the Nicene creed dictated that Jesus is God (325) and as well as the Holy Spirit (381). Note theres been a history change. Jesus wants the preservation of laws, not change.
4th point. The origin of "Godliness" of Jesus is questionable. While theres no debate about Jesus being the Son of God. Here comes another point of contradiction between the nature of Jesus and God. God has no beginning and no end. Jesus was born and died. That makes the validity of God's nature that has no beginning to be void.
But let us say Jesus was in the beginning, does that mean the God the Israelites believed in was Jesus all along? However, theres no statement in the bible that the old Israelites, the time during Abraham up to the prophets, that they prayed for the Son during their time, always to the Father. If he was there, why was it stated in 1 Peter 1:20 that he was still FOREKNOWN? Foreknown means before it happens.
See the point that im making? Jesus was planned for humanity. He didnt have an existence yet.
5th point. The usage of "I and the father are one". This is crucial part of the contradiction between Jesus as God is understanding. Because this can be translated in another phrase, "God is with me" in another bible translation. So if we stick the the rule of Jesus statement that the Father is the one and only true God, anyone that uses the "God is with me", according to your interpretation, becomes God(?). Because in Psalms 16:8, it is stated that "God is always with me", does that mean Adam, Abraham and other authors of PSALMS are GOD? See another point?
6th point. Cross examination of consistency. Where do you think Jesus powers comes from?
IF HE IS GOD, as you stated, who gave his powers? who gave his divinity? Matthew 28:18-20, his authority and powers were given to him.
See the point? Jesus was artificially given powers. While to the Father it is natural, it is with Him frmo the beginning because in Gen 1:2, he started creation.
Kudos to Dr. White for exposing Iglesia Ni Cristo's false doctrine! Your analysis is enlightening and vital in revealing the truth. Keep up the great work!
Sorry but your Dr White was failed ni hindi nga nya napatunayan ang Trinity ang trinity binubuo ng Ama Anak at Espiritu, sa Anak palang hirap na nyang ipanalo eh, kaya talong talo, dahil hindi nya napatunayan ang trinity, unbiblical teachings from the Catholic
@@stevensoneugenio1172 Unbiblical din po yung pagiging sugo ni Manalo. Nag diet lang siya ng 3 days, hindi fasting.
Lahat na ng relihiyon sa mundo yan ang paniniwala ang trinidad katoliko, protestante, sda, born again, mcgi ni soriano at iba pa, swak dun sa nakasulat sa biblia na sindami ng buhangin sa dagat ang parurusahan sa dagat-dagatan apoy.
@@fishing9467 about INC 1914 and Bro FYM is Biblical. si Cristo hindi rin kumain ng ilang araw diet din ba un? :D
@@stevensoneugenio1172 Give me bible verse that your cult leader FYM was prophesied in the Bible.
Very good and cristal clear presentation for Dr. James and clear as mud to Mr. Ventilacion
KLARO BA SABI MO PARA KAY DR JAMES AT PARA NAMAN KAY BRO JOE AY KLARO AS MUD ITO PO ANG STAND MO SA 2 DEBATISTANG ITO, SIR MAY SABI PO ANG DIOS,WAG DAGDAGAN O BAWASAN,TAKE NOTE PO SIR,AYON KAY PABLO BILANG SUGO NG DIOS,SABI NI PABLO,WLANG DIOS LIBAN SA IISA,ANG AMA ANG IISANG DIOS,NA BINASA NI BRO JOE, SAMANTALANG KAY JAMES TRINITY MEANS GOD THE FATHER,GOD THE SON,GOD THE HOLY SPIRIT 1 GOD, VERY CLEAR MAY DAGDAG, Q? PO SA YO SIR, SINO ANG PANIWALAAN MO SI PABLO NA DI DINAGDAGAN O SI JAMES NA DINAGDAGAN? PLEASE ANSWER THE RIGHT ANSWER SIR!
I guess it's the opposite😁
@ramujv7715
John 17:3
New King James Version
3 And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.
Jesus is praying for his Jewish Disciples. Born Jews, grew up as Jews and had the Old Testament as their Scriptures; SURELY AND DEFINITELY ALL THEIR LIFE, THEY KNEW THE FATHER IS THE ONLY TRUE GOD.
1) Why would Jesus still need to pray for them to know the Father is the only true God?
2) If Jesus only wanted his Jewish disciples to know the Father is the only true God; why did he not put period (.) after true God?
3) If Jesus only wanted his Jewish disciples to know the Father is the only true God; why did he used "and" even adding himself?
4) Is the used of "only" here only pertains to the Father?
5) Does John 17:3 have an identical or twin verse in the New Testament?
1 John 5:7 For there are three that bear witness in Heaven: the Father, the Word, the Holy Spirit and these are three are One..
Did it say there that the three are God or witnesses?
@@stevensoneugenio1172it says these three are one clearly, if you believe the Father is God you have to accept that Jesus and the Holy Spirit are too
@@dimitris_zaha one as God? how about these translations?
1 John 5:7-8 “There are three witnesses: the Spirit, the water, and the blood; and all three give the same testimony.” [ Good News Bible, 1992 ]
1 John 5:7-8 “There are three witnesses: the Spirit, the water, and the blood. These three witnesses agree.” [God’s Word Version, 1995 ]
1 John 5:7-8 “For there are three that bear witness: the Spirit, the water, and the blood; and these three agree as one.” [English Majority Text Version, 2002-2003 ]
it's very clear that this verse is not teaching about trinity. I just want to point out to you a quote from the book "New Catholic Encyclopedia, vol. 7. Washington, D.C.: The Catholic University of America, 1967.]
“THE COMMA IS ABSENT IN ALL THE ANCIENT GREEK MANUSCRIPTS OF THE NT (New Testament) WITH THE EXCEPTION OF FOUR RATHER RECENT MANUSCRIPTS THAT DATE FROM THE 13TH TO 16TH CENTURIES. The Comma is lacking in such ancient Oriental versions as the Peshitta, Philoxenian, Coptic, Ethiopic, and Armenian … NO SCHOLAR ANY LONGER ACCEPTS ITS AUTHENTICITY.”[ New Catholic Encyclopedia, vol. 7. Washington, D.C.: The Catholic University of America, 1967.]
Here it is. They themselves have admitted it. It is clear then that what is written in the KING JAMES VERSION and other Bibles translated similarly is NOT TRUE. They clearly ADMIT that it is FAKE and NOT IN THE ORIGINAL writings of APOSTLE JOHN. And it only emerged during the THIRD to FOURTH centuries. What happened back then? The doctrine of the True Divinity of Christ was agreed upon and ratified in 325 A.D. at the Council of Nicaea. The doctrine of the Divinity of the Holy Spirit was also agreed upon and ratified in 381 A.D. at the Council of Constantinople. Now, according to the authority of the Catholics, who was really the first to use the term "Trinity"?
"The term 'Trinity' is not found in Scripture [Bible], ... The invention of the term is ascribed to Tertullian. " [Systematic Theology, by Augustus Hopkins Strong, page. 304 ]
just invented by the "Tertullian"
let us ask again the catholic if the trinity doctrine is Biblical?
"Though the exact terms in which the [Catholic] Church has formally defined the dogma of the Blessed Trinity ... are not in the Bible, and may, therefore, in a sense be called unscriptural. . ." [The Divine Trinity: A Dogmatic Treatise, by Rt. Rev. Msgr. Joseph Pohle, p. 22]
It;s very clear from the catholic who invented the Trinity doctrine that this doctrine are UNBIBLICAL
False added scripture by lying trinitarians
@@briankregg6329 good thing there are 100 more reason to believe in the Trinity and it's not just one controversial verse
Thank you for Sharing in tagalog language.
complete evidence of sir ventilasyon that Only one God and Christ is a mediator..and the one is only speak on his mouth...praise one God and son Jesus Christ....
I have here also evidence that Jesus nature and his former being was GOD. Philippians 2:5-8.
Kahit nilatag na nung puti yung evidences panay puri ka pa din sa pastor ventilasyon nyo
@@Bi_mentality Your conclusion of Philippians 2:5-8 did not specifically says that Christ is God and if you read all the way down to verse 11, it says there that the true God highly exalted Jesus and God give him a name which above every name (Christ) and every knee should bow (worship) of those from heaven, those on earth and under the earth. Jesus Christ was made Lord to the glory of the true God (John 17:1-3).
@@vanvelasco8240 read it once again bro. Don't deny it.
@@vanvelasco8240Talking Jesus as His human nature in that passage
"My God, my God Why you have forsaken me" says the Lord Jesus Christ dying on the cross.
Psalms 22:1, that is a lament song, Jesus Christ knew about the scriptures or the TORAH(the Bible of the jews and the Old testament)
Don't rely only on one scripture. Be open minded.
meanwhile in other verses: John 10:30, Jesus said I and the Father are one, and the Jews tried to stone him because of the blasphemy because Jesus is claiming to be God.
@@LougenneCastillo its because of the people like you who says Jesus is God even though Jesus Christ said he is not
@@ShawtvPh where in the Bible he said he is not God? There is one GOD, Father, Son and Holy Spirit they are one.
Isaiah 7:14 NKJV
[14] Therefore the Lord Himself will give you a sign: Behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a Son, and shall call His name Immanuel.
Isaiah 9:6 NKJV
[6] For unto us a Child is born, Unto us a Son is given; And the government will be upon His shoulder. And His name will be called Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
Revelation 1:8 NKJV
[8] “I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End,” says the Lord, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.”
Revelation 1:11 NKJV
[11] saying, “I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last,” and, “What you see, write in a book and send it to the seven churches which are in Asia: to Ephesus, to Smyrna, to Pergamos, to Thyatira, to Sardis, to Philadelphia, and to Laodicea.”
Hebrews 1:8 NKJV
[8] But to the Son He says: “Your throne, O God, is forever and ever; A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom.
I can show you more scriptures that Jesus is the Christ, who was and is to come. It's up to you if you will deny the deity of Christ. Jesus is the Christ the image of the invisible God. The Word.
I'm a filipino but dr. White has very clear explaination on what hes saying i agreed to him.
Di nyu tinapos Panoorin may twist Jan
@@keenloumavzfaelnar2034 uu na twist niya bible verse no? Binabali na lang yung mismong nasa bible verse HAHAAHA twist ba naman
Maliwanag nakasulat, di niyo lang matanggap. Hahahha kulang kayo pang unawa...
Di naman napatunayan Yung patungkol sa Espiritu Santo ee🤣 anong James white pinagsasabi nyo?😂
@@isthanebebs6897 Di nyu matanggap ang pinakilala ng Panginoong Jesucristo na ang AMA lamang ang DIOS at ang Panginoon Jesus ay sinugo lamang
Just by listening, you can clearly tell who's firm in their faith and have peace in Christ. The other one is just insisting what he "learned".
Acts 2:22-“Jesus is a man ATTESTED(certified) by God”
Friend, God is the HIGHEST AUTHORITY in the universe, and anyone like James white who challenge God and try to abolish what God ATTESTED or certified as a man has no respect for God.
@@ven6372 I mean, it's crystal clear
John 10:30
Philippians 2:5-6
John 17:21
John 1:18
Colossians 2:9-10
John 10:33
John 5:18
And many more verses...
So u r like James white who doesn’t respect God’s AUTHORITY, trying to ABOLISH what God ATTESTED as a man.
NONE of the verses u presented says: JESUS IS GOD.
Jn.10:30???
Doesn’t say: I and the Father are “ONE GOD.”
In “Jn.17:21”, it’s the PRAYER of Lord Jesus that all of us should b 1 with them too. Q is: DO U believe that u r 1 with them? If yes, R U A GOD, also?
@@ven6372 this is where I say 🤦🏼♂️🤦🏼♂️🤦🏼♂️
You are clearly saying Jesus is lying. So you're basically not a Christian, more like a Muslim.
@@ven6372 I mean, you're just avoiding the texts that explain why Jesus is God and use other verses that basically God is the one true God. No one is questioning that, but there's more that you can't seem to comprehend and just flat out denying it. In short, you're labelling Jesus and his apostles as liars.
That debate wasnt even close. Dr. White utterly dismantled his arguments.
Agree it only shows that these cults can't do nothing with the truth
@@maykeesmathworld9308
Acts 2:22-“Jesus is a MAN attested(certified) by God”
U see that bro? God attested or certified Jesus is a MAN. James White is trying to dismantle God’s DECREE. James White is being utilized by Satan.
Lol! He (Joe) actually destroyed Dr. White with biblical facts. You just can't accept that your beliefs are non biblical.
@@geomad8964Are we even watching the same debate?
@@geomad8964 well cults can't accept defeat
God bless you Mr Ventilacion for teaching the truth written in the bible.
He was saved by the Bell folks, pretty sure knockdown if not
"truth" where is the truth in mishandling the verses?
Kng aq ang Isang Judge sa argumento nila Ventalacion talo cya kay Dr..dhil mhina ang depensa nya..
@@shemaiahbeltran9946 There was no saved by the bell. The bell would not help Mr White’s position….Only White’s mouth said saved by the bell but I could see nothing more important than the bell…Did you watch the video? Each question thrown at Bro.Joe, he answered quickly. He can’t knockdown INC in any way.
@@edisondelossantos8059
Panoorin mo ulit mula ng mg cross examine c ka Joe. Nlito n msmo c Dr white nung gnamit n reperensya ung aklat n msmong c Dr white ang smulat. Umpisa p lng nlito agad c puti. Nood k po ulit cross examination.
Very good for having the bible as basis of our faith
The INC minister never knew what hit him
nothing hit brother Ventilacion. what clearly shown in this debate was the exposition of Dr. White's poor comprehension of the bible.
Dr. White admitted that ONLY the Father is the Almighty God, yet he kept on insisting that Jesus is also God. what a MORON!
Yup, sahot nga kahit nanonood lang ako. Bilib ako sa patience ni Dr White
VENTILAVION WAS NAILED ON THE CROSS.
Dr James white cannot accept that our lord Jesus Christ will submit to our lord God, because God is greater above all things
Don't call Jesus 'Lord' if you insist that He is just a human
Besides, Jesus Himself said believe in the One sent by the Father.
The One sent by the Father is Jesus, not Felix Manalo
thank you for the translating in tagalog, very clear Christ said: "MY FATHER, YOUR FATHER, MY GOD AND YOUR GOD" very big difference Christ has God and it's the Father not himself or the Son
ano ba sabi ng Ama sa kanyang anak?
sabi ng Ama: "ang Iyong trono O DIYOS" [HEBREW 1:8]
Tinawag ng Ama na Diyos kanyang Anak:
VERY CLEAR na ba?
@@user-er5vx9jy5c John 1:1, John 1:14 - God is tripersonal. you are assuming nestorianisim which is a heresy during the 1st century
@@rjsangabriel the bible is very clear in Hebrews 1:8
only YOU CAN'T ACCEPT IT
@@melophobia4738 panong hindi ko gets nagmula ako sa ganyang paniniwala, buti nalang nataqag ako sa INC at nakakatawa ang trinity nyo sa totoo lang
@@user-er5vx9jy5c ang hebrew 1:8 ay quoted sa book of Psalmist 45:6 sa OT which is ang orihinal na wika ay hebrew kaya tanungin natin ang mga hudyo ano ba ang tamang salin nito sa english
Psalms 45:7 "Thy throne given of God is for ever and ever; a sceptre of equity is the sceptre of thy kingdom" (Jewish Publication Society)
malinaw sa salin ng mga Hudio na hindi tinawag ang Anak na Dios dyan, at kung ang Hebrew 1:8 ang basehan mo sa wikang griego ang nakalagay HO THEOS meaning THE GOD, hindi O GOD, nalinlang ka ng maling salin kapated.
pangalawa hindi pwede kontrahin ng Dios ang kanyang pahayag na wala syang nakikilalang Dios maliban sa kanya
Fear ye not, neither be afraid: have not I told thee from that time, and have declared it? ye are even my witnesses. Is there a God beside me? yea, there is no God; I know not any.
Isaiah 44:8 KJV
THERE IS NO GOD; I KNOW NOT NOT NOT ANY!!!
nalinlang ka ng maling salin ng biblia my friend
Nice and great presentation of the Iglesia ni Cristo minister
..Congrats
The minister didn't debate the topic.
Seriously?????
John 1:18, INC cannot continue to say the verse he shared 😂 because it says "No one has seen God at any time, the only begotten God, who? Who is in the bosom of the Father? who is in the bosom of the Father? They are saying Jesus is only a prophet or messenger, he is not a son?
But why he is called the son of God? What are the reference, can you look for it? So that you may know and see it in real time.
congrats, he lost.
he always hand picked scriptures, not good
Dr. White really excelled here! All his points are Biblical and true! Praise be to Jesus, our God and Savior!
“One God and Father of all”-Ephesians 4:6
NO TRINITY.
“Jesus of Nazareth, a MAN attested(certified) by God”
U see that friend?
God ATTESTED or certified Jesus is a MAN. Anyone, who try to ABOLISH God’s DECREE is a cult and not a man of God but of the devil.
Friend, I humbly invite you and your love ones to study the Bible with Iglesia ni Cristo and strive to become members.
I've watched the whole video
And i saw who has the best presentation even without
Changing the bible
Amen Jesus Christ is God
Where and What verse in the Bible that Christ said that he is God?
@@vanvelasco8240I think you should watch the debate first especially the cross examination before asking in the comment section.
@@viclaurencevaldez31 I watched the debate several times and I found out that Dr. White doesn’t accept what is written in the Bible like John 17:3 that Christ says that the FATHER is the only true God. He insisted the Trinity Doctrine that is not written in the Bible. He claimed that the triad God are all equal even in power but the Bible said that Christ admitted that the FATHER greater than him ( John 14:28 ). And Christ doesn’t even know the exact day of Judgment ( Matthew 24:36 ). Even now that Jesus Christ is in heaven, he is still a man sitting at the right hand of God.
@@vanvelasco8240Ventilacion pressed that Hebrews 1:8 is disconnected to Hebrews 1:10-12 [Ventilacion firmly believes that 1:8-9 talks about the son then 1:10-12 is about the father then verse 13 it goes back to the son] That is absolute twisting of the scriptures.
John 12:41: Ventilacion cannot state who's glory did Isaiah saw [It is absolutely Jesus]
Joe then insisted that it is not Jesus because it contradicts John 1:18. Which is not because John 1:18 talks about Jesus being the Monogenes Theos [Joe doesn't believe it]
John 17:5: Ventilacion doesn't know the glory which Jesus had before the world existed. Instead he wants to read a passage from st. paul which is definitely out of context.
Philippians 1:5: Ventilacion failed to understand the humility of Jesus that being in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped. Jesus Humbled himself
The best part was when Ventilacion was confused about when Jesus made himself no reputation, and he took a form of a servant. [This also answers your question regarding the verse saying that "The Father is Greater than I"] Being in the form of God, Jesus emptied himself and took a form of a servant.
Ventilacion also failed in exigesis and grammar when he was asked about 2nd Peter 1:11. And 2 Peter 1:1
Hayyy. Please rewatch mo ang debate. Baka yung pinanuod mo lang ay yung mga parts ni Venti. E wala ngang kalatoylatoy yung kanya. Napaka-Biblical ni White to the point na hindi na daw mahalaga ang grammar kay Venti para lang makalusot kay White.
@@vanvelasco8240
Ventilacion pressed that Hebrews 1:8 is disconnected to Hebrews 1:10-12 [Ventilacion firmly believes that 1:8-9 talks about the son then 1:10-12 is about the father then verse 13 it goes back to the son] That is absolute twisting of the scriptures.
John 12:41 - Ventilacion cannot say who's glory did Isaiah saw [It is absolutely Jesus]
Joe then insisted that it is not Jesus because it contradicts John 1:18. Which is not the case because John 1:18 talks about Jesus being the Monogenes Theos but Joe didn't mention it.
John 17:5 - Ventilacion doesn't know the glory which Jesus had before the world existed. Instead he want to read a passage from st. Paul which is definitely out of context and has nothing to do with John 17:15
Philippians 1:5 - Ventilacion failed to understand the humility of Jesus that "being in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped." Jesus Humbled himself
The best part was when Ventilacion was confused about when Jesus made himself no reputation, and he took a form of a servant. [This also answers your question regarding the verse saying that "The Father is Greater than I"] Being in the form of God, Jesus emptied himself and took a form of a servant.
Ventilacion also failed in exigesis and grammar when he was asked about 2nd Peter 1:11. And 2 Peter 1:1
Final: there is no question in John 17:3 but you should not cut the statement.
"3 Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent. 4 I have brought you glory on earth by finishing the work you gave me to do. 5 And now, Father, GLORIFY ME IN YOUR PRESENCR WITH THE GLORY I HAD WITH YOU BEFORE THE WORLD BEGAN." John 17:3-5 [ayaw to basahin ng buo ni Venti]
Hayyy. Please rewatch mo ang debate. very self-serving ng mga arguments ni Venti. Baka yung pinanuod mo lang ay yung mga parts ni Venti. E wala ngang kalatoylatoy yung kanya. Napaka-Biblical ni White to the point na hindi na daw mahalaga ang grammar kay Venti para lang makalusot kay White.
"I'm sorry if you don't understand the answer." -Dr. White.
Super clear naman kasi na hindi niya talaga magets yung sagot ni Dr. White na napakalinaw!
Madali lang naman intindihin sa Juan 8:40. Jesus is a Man. Kayo ni White ang hindi maka intindi kung ano ang katotohanan.
Galatians 4:13 Ye know how through infirmity of the flesh I preached the gospel unto you at the first.
Galatians 4:14 And my temptation which was in my flesh ye despised not, nor rejected; but received me as an angel of God, even as Christ Jesus..
Galatians 4:15 Where is then the blessedness ye spake of? for I bear you record, that, if it had been possible, ye would have plucked out your own eyes, and have given them to me.
Numbers 23:19 "God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the SON OF MAN that he should repent: ...."
Exactly! God is not a Man nor Man is God. Divine Nature is not Human Nature nor Human Nature is Divine Nature. Son is God and Man. 100% God and 100% Man. Fully God and Fully Man. He is not a Hybrid (50% God and 50% Man). Son's Divine Nature is distinct from his Human Nature...
Proof #13
The Son is God and Man
KNOWS DAY AND HOUR, DOES NOT KNOW DAY AND HOUR
Objection on the Deity of the Son:
Mark 13:32
New King James Version
32 “But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.
God is Omniscient; He knows all things. The Son does not know the day and the hour of his coming to restore the kingdom; therefore, he can not be God.
The Son is God and Man. 100% God and 100% Man. When he said that he does not know the day and the hour of his coming to restore the kingdom; he is talking in respect of his humanity. He is saying that no angels or humans, including himself as human, know it. Now, the question is: Is the Son being God knows the day and the hour of his coming to restore the kingdom? The answer to that is yes.
Acts 1:6-7
New King James Version
6 Therefore, when they had come together, they asked Him, saying, “Lord, will You at this time restore the kingdom to Israel?” 7 And He said to them,➡️“It is not for you to know times or seasons⬅️which the Father has put in His own authority.
Take note: The Son said, "It is not for you to know times or seasons." He did not say, "It is not for us to know times or seasons." By not including himself, he is implying that he does know the day and the hour of his coming to restore the kingdom. Are there other verses that would prove that Jesus is Omniscient? Yes
John 21:17
New King James Version
17 He said to him the third time, “Simon, son of Jonah, do you love Me?” Peter was grieved because He said to him the third time, “Do you love Me?”
And he said to Him, “Lord, You know all things; You know that I love You.”
Jesus said to him, “Feed My sheep.
John 16:30
New King James Version
30 Now we are sure that You know all things, and have no need that anyone should question You. By this we believe that You came forth from God.”
JESUS' DIVINITY - KNOWS DAY AND HOUR
JESUS' HUMANITY - DOES NOT KNOW DAY AND HOUR
@@jeffreytrinidad3564 @jeffreytrinidad3564 Don't turn from the truth, there's only one God and one mediator between man and God. The mediator is a man. 1 Tim 2:5.
Did Apostle Paul lie when he said this? Was what he said just a figure of speech? No. That's the truth. 1 Tim 2:7 "Whereunto I am ordained a preacher, and an apostle, (I speak the truth in Christ, and lie not) a teacher of the gentiles in the faith and verity."
@jeffreytrinidad3564 Whose gospel is that? Is that the gospel of Jesus?
@jeffreytrinidad3564 Whose gospel is that? Is that the gospel of Jesus?
Very nice bro Joe your good Minister to defend the true doctrine about God
I notice that Bro.Joe of INC stick in the Bible .He does not add to and subtract from the Bible.No opinion like Dr.white
And that's what the Bible says in Deuteronomy 4:2, 12:32, Matthew 5:18-19 and Revelation 22:18-19. That's why the true believers of GOD'S word written in the BIBLE is the IGLESIA NI CRISTO(CHURCH OF CHRIST).
Shame on you. You will die in your sins if you continue believing that cult inc. 🤮🤮🤮
Exactly.
Exactly
Mali mali naman yung eksplenasyon
I am a filipino and i believe in Dr. White's explanation regarding TRINITY...
Friend, description of a true faith is written in Ephesians 4:5-6; only one God the Father
Trinity doesn’t fit.
@Ven I pray that divine revelation is given in your Bible study. Whether it be described as Trinity or Complex unity, there is a very unique existence beyond our earthly understanding of YHWH. Even the Torah describes the being of Elohim in the multiple. Learn the Hebrew Alef Bet and you will see what humans can only describe as the Trinity. Please do not limit Our God to our limited human understanding. We should continue to grow and mature in our faith to not be so dependent on milk but to mature and eat solid food built on a strong Biblical foundation. Adonai please help us all to know and be after your heart.
@@renitapura2325 the prayer of Lord Jesus in John 17:3 is a solid food built on a strong biblical foundation- “And this is ETERNAL LIFE that they may know YOU(not us) the only true God and Jesus Christ whom you SENT.”
HOW SHOULD WE KNOW THE FATHER? The only true God.
HOW SHOULD WE KNOW JESUS? Sent by God.
WHAT IS THE REWARD IF WE KNOW THE FATHER AS THE ONLY TRUE GOD? “Eternal life.”
I appreciate your prayer friend, but the prayer of Lord Jesus is what really matters because it comes with ETERNAL LIFE, yours doesn’t.
I hope, someday, Jesus prayer will also touch your heart.
what verse on bible regards to trinity?
You're a filipino and believers of the teachings of man not the Bible, remember in the first century not all Jews believe in Christ is the Son of God
Amen. Luwalhati sa Ama, at sa Anak, at sa Espiritu Santo, kapara noong unang una, ngayon at magpakailanman, at magpasawalang hanggan. Siya nawa! 💖
[4] May iisang katawan at iisang Espiritu, kung paanong may iisang pag-asa na para doon kayo'y tinawag ng Diyos. [5] May iisang Panginoon, iisang pananampalataya at iisang bautismo, [6] iisang Diyos at Ama nating lahat. Siya ay higit sa lahat, kumikilos sa lahat, at nananatili sa lahat. (Mga Taga-Efeso 4:4-6 MBBTAG12)
INC reading equals to INC understanding.
They're reading the Bible with their own preconceived notion. They believe what they just want to believe.
Mali sinabi mo hahahah,
You are the one who believe what you want to believe, like trinity/unitary. The bible is clear, why trying to twist with imagination.
@@theuglyme4304And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began. Pakipaliwanag nga yan kahit si ventilador hindi maipaliwanag
Walng revelation from the holy spirit si Ventilador kaya di niya maunawaan.
@@margiepokya6052 sinong father yan?
My family used to be INC. We thank the Holy Spirit to enlighten us and now believe in the One Holy Catholic Church instituted by Christ.
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Natiwalag Ka Kasi pasaway Ka.!!!
That's not in the bible haha
😂😂😂
@@rueljhonalpay8602The Bible was compiled and presented to the world by the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church.
56:01 When the minister said according to the scripture, that God is eternal, immortal and invisible, and asked about if Jesus is God because he died. Doesn't Jesus have a spirit? is the spirit dead? No. God was with the Word, God sent the Word, and God was the Word, Who was the Word? ain't Jesus the word? Because nobody could see God, hear God, he made himself known through Christ (the WORD). God could not communicate with lower dimension beings like us humans, in his true form which is the spirit, the energy, the invisible, and eternal. And that is why he sent the word to this lower dimension through a physical body in his son Jesus. Again, was God the word? certainly, it is pretty obvious in the scripture which said that GOD was with the WORD, God sent the WORD, and God was the WORD. When the word died, or when Jesus died, did his spirit die? No, because the spirit was God, what died is his physical body or the vessel in which he sent the word, the physical body which was Jesus. Obviously, the INC minister whoever that is, could not comprehend on that statement.
Hi there Mr. Buckets. May I kindly ask you, who taught you about John 1:1, which is composed of 3 clauses? May I also kindly ask what religion are you affiliated with? Just curious. And one more question; do you have any knowledge of the Greek language? Thank you and also thank you for sharing your perspective on God and the Word. 🙂
@@UnforeseenTruth I would kindly insist, you counter argue on the statement. I may be right, and I maybe wrong. But then again, I only made a statement that of the time stamp inserted.
Apparently to the INC when one dies one will cease to exist. I'm only following the question Joe asked during the debate. Joe said "So when you die you don't cease to exist?" or something to that effect.
@@buckets4527 Oh sure, not a problem. I just wanted to be respectful of your inputs. So I thought I try to learn more about where you are coming from but sure, I won’t mind giving you our position on John 1:1. I'm always open to having a Christian loving discussion and making new friends. At the end of the day, I always respect people’s opinions and positions. All we can do is put it out there and let them decide what they will do with the information and people can judge for themselves if they believe the information to be right or wrong for them. I tell you what, please allow me to prepare my response and I will get back to you promptly. And if you would rather have a private conversation I would not mind sharing my personal contact details with you too. Whatever environment that may make you feel more comfortable.
@@buckets4527 (Part 2 of 2)
Therefore the greatest witness of them all - (Christ), clearly stated that the the Father is also His God and Father! In fact this verse alone should close all doors as to whom the true God really is; in addition, Christ introducing His Father as the only true God in John 17:1 and 3.
So now that I have proven without any shadow of doubt that John 1:1 clause ( a ), ( b ), and ( c ) does not support the interpretation that God became a man in Jesus Christ, other than that the Logos or Plan of God is the fulfillment of God’s plan of salvation when God “made” His plan “become flesh,” which was fulfilled in no other than in His Son Christ Jesus! (Jn. 1:14), (Lk. 1:27, 31 ), (Lk. 2:7,11).
This is a clear manifestation of God's DIVINE PLAN of salvation being fulfilled when Christ was born of Mary. Thus, Christ was indeed a created being before the foundation of the world as the LOGOS or PLAN of GOD. Christ did not preexist yet in physical or spiritual form in heaven. Therefore the "beginning"in John 1:1 clause "a" is the plan of God about Christ and salvation before all things were created by God. Christ was already part of God's master plan of salvation in that particular begining of time. Thus, John 1:1 clause "a" cannot refer to God Himself, for God has no beginning and no end as we have well established.
I hope this will enlighten you on our position of this biblical Truth.
Remember TRUTH does NOT contradict TRUTH. God, Christ and the Apostles do NOT contradict themselves in Scripture. PLAIN and SIMPLE.
1 John 5:20 KJV
[20] And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.
1John5:20nkjv-“Son of God has come”; NOT: “God has come”
The “only true God” introduce by the Son is the Father-John17:1,3
John 1:1 KJV
[1] In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
the Word was God, referring to Jesus Christ, and verse 14 says the Word was made flesh. This is the biblical Jesus Christ, the real deity of Christ. The Word was with God in the begging.
John 1:14 KJV
[14] And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
@@yummytv2867
John 1:1???
“Word was God” is an adjective, not a noun.
Example:”Time is GOLD” or “Heart of GOLD”-adj, not literal GOLD.
WHY was the word called God? Because “no word from God shall be void of POWER”-Luke 1:37ASV
John 1:14???
That’s correct, “Word was made flesh”; NOT: God was made flesh.
QUESTION:
If Jesus is God, what is the PURPOSE of what he said in his prayer for us, that we may know the Father as the only true God?-Jn17:1,3
@@ven6372 meanwhile in other verses: John 10:30, Jesus said I and the Father are one, and the Jews tried to stone him because of the blasphemy because Jesus is claiming to be God.
Proof #15
The Father and the Son are one God
John 17:3 & 1st John 5:20
BEING IDENTICAL TWINS
WHO IS THE ONLY TRUE GOD?
John 17:3
New King James Version (NKJV)
3 And this is (b)ETERNAL LIFE, that they may (c)KNOW YOU, the only (d)TRUE GOD, and (c)JESUS CHRIST whom you have sent.
1st John 5:20
New King James Version (NKJV)
20 And we know that the Son of God has come and has given us an understanding, that we may (c)KNOW HIM who is true; and we are in Him who is true, in (c)HIS SON JESUS CHRIST. This is the (d)TRUE GOD and (b)ETERNAL LIFE.
Similarities between John 17:3 and 1st John 5:20
Who is the only true God?
a) First, it was written by the same person, John.
b) Second, eternal life were present in both.
c) Third, knowing the Father and the Son were present in both.
d) Fourth, true God were present in both.
e) If you really try to understand John 17:3 and 1st John 5:20, they were really identical to each other. In what way? They were both saying that:
(b) ETERNAL LIFE
(c) IS KNOWING THE FATHER AND THE SON
(d) AS THE ONLY TRUE GOD
Dr james white good and very clear presentation u shared..God bless
Very clear in resorting to Unitarianism, Trinitarianism to justify his confused belief of a confused freak god
Hahaha
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Dr James is wrong enterpretation he is a false preacher false propeth like Mr Soriano
That last and final cross examination just dismantled that INC guy.
Agree he was being schooled by Dr. White it only shows how these cults being destroyed
Acts 2:22-“Jesus is a MAN attested(certified) by God”
U see that friend?
God attested or certified Jesus is man.
James White is trying to DISMANTLE God’s DECREE, meaning he is being utilized by Satan.
@joandelbarrio5184
John 3:16-WHOEVER believe Jesus will be saved.
WHAT did Jesus say in John 8:40? - “a MAN telling you the truth.”
@joandelbarrio5184
1Timothy2:5-“For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the MAN Christ Jesus.”
Jesus is still our mediator TODAY.
@joandelbarrio5184 Jesus is a “MAN MEDIATOR”; NOT: God mediator.
He is a MAN.
Proud of brother joe vintilacion his true preacher 🙏👍🇮🇹♥️
Your representative is confused and deceiving people
Nagulat ba si Tomas ng sabihin niya sa Panginoong Hesus na PANGINOON KO AT DIOS KO? Kalokohang aral ng INC iyan dahil sa oras na iyan ay sumasampalataya si Tomas😎
Roman del prado
Ikaw ba maniniwala ka na namamatay ang Diyos. Baka sabihin mo hndi. Kasi kung tatanggapin niyo din na tunay na Diyos ang Panginoong Jesus Cristo
Nakuh baka dalawa na ang Diyos ngayon. Labag na yan sa kalusulatan na nakasulat sa biblia.
@@nablojohnrey6077 ang pinatay ang katawan, simpleng logic bro d mo maintindhan
@@kevinmagalong5110 kung susundan ang logic mo ang katawan lang pala ang binuhay…..pero nung nabuhay ang katawan hindi ba si Cristo yon?
huwag mong sabihing katawan lang ang nabuhay si Cristo hindi kasama.
logic mo galing kay soriano. ganyan ang itinuro niya sa inyo.
If you’ve watched the entire debate with an unbiased and neutral perspective, you know who won.
The main points or arguments should have been addressed directly, rather than through assumptions or putting words in others' mouths.
We must take the teachings of the scripture as a whole-Tota Scriptura. The scriptures should harmonize, not contradict each other. If you believe only part of it and claim it as the truth, you're essentially implying that the Bible is corrupted, as other scriptures are meant to be unified.
Kudos to Dr. White for remaining compassionate to everyone, especially towards INC members, as he understands that eternity is at stake.
DrWhite stands or beliefs contradict what Jesus said in his prayer for us, that we may know the Father as the only TRUE God-John 17:1,3
DrWhite is very naive about the Bible, he used John 17:5 to prove Jesus is God; he don’t know that ALL CHRISTIANS were with/in God also BEFORE THE CREATION OF THE WORLD as written in Ephesians 1:4
Only people who lack wisdom from the Bible think DrWhite won the debate.
Napakalinaw ng turonng Bibliya. Pinagulo lang ng ibang relihiyon at tao na nagtataguyod na ang Diyos ay may tatlong persona..
Ang nilikha ay hindi dapat sambahin.
Tanging ang Diyos lamang ang nararapat sambahin ng mga nilikha.
Si Jesus ay hindi nilikha.
Siya ay Manlilikha.
Siya ay Diyos!
Lmao, panganay nga siya sa lahat ng nilikha😂 Ano pinagsasabi mo
Colossians 1:15
The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.
Jesus said, I and my Father are one!
they are one in what? for being God?
@@jellyangeldelrosario8404 Yes.
John 17:23 the Father , Jesus and the people God gave to Christ are one... are they also god
@@jackburdz7164 kindly read the Bible in context, only then one can arrived at proper interpretation
When he said that, are they equal? While he was speaking about that, his father is in heaven as spirit and Jesus himself was human. So how they become one.
Save by the Bell
If Jesus is a mere man, anybody from us can be Jesus, a candidate to be Lord! How lucky is Jesus to be given the position to be worship, authority and dominion.
Jesus is not a “mere man”; he is a very “SPECIAL MAN”
@@ven6372 whatever, still a man on your theology, of which I think, inviting anyone to be like Jesus if the Father wills...
@@jaymonteclaro8368 Acts2:22nkjv-“Jesus of Nazareth, a MAN attested(certified) by God”
U see that bro?
God ATTESTED or certified Jesus is a man. Anyone, like James White, who try to ABOLISH God’s DECREE is being utilized by Satan.
@@ven6372 do you understand "nagkatawang tao". Is that impossible for God to do that? Why Jesus was charged of blasphemy by Caipas, the high priest?
@@jaymonteclaro8368 God doesn’t lie, He said: “I am God, and not man”-Hosea 11:9
Theere is no negative side when I'm with the ONE TRUE GOD. Thanks to Mr. Ventacion..Keep it up! Let the world knows how difficult for you to understand, to see, and to hear. I can die peacefully now.
If you don’t believe Jesus Christ is God, and is part of the Trinity. Then you have a false Christ who cannot save you. Ventalacion is totally wrong.
@@chadnoe8660if you read bible, you cant see any trinity on it
@@chadnoe8660 youre the false Christ who believes on something that not written on bible, Christ was the one who said he's a human. even the apostle believes that.
@@janmichaelcudiamat7814 Here you go the obvious Trinity.
Matthew 28:19 NKJV
Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
Jesus as God: Titus 2:13 NKJV
looking for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ,
Holy Spirit as God: Acts 5:3-4 NKJV
But Peter said, "Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit and keep back part of the price of the land for yourself? [4] While it remained, was it not your own? And after it was sold, was it not in your own control? Why have you conceived this thing in your heart? You have not lied to men but to God."
And of course the Father as God: 1 Corinthians 15:24 NKJV
Then comes the end, when He delivers the kingdom to God the Father, when He puts an end to all rule and all authority and power.
The Trinity exists it’s easy to see.
@@janmichaelcudiamat7814
Jesus is God that came to earth in the flesh by being born of a virgin as was prophesied in the Old Testament by Isiah. He is God with us!
Isaiah 7:14 NKJV
Therefore the Lord Himself will give you a sign: Behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a Son, and shall call His name Immanuel.
Matthew 1:21,23 NKJV
And she will bring forth a Son, and you shall call His name JESUS, for He will save His people from their sins." [23] "Behold, the virgin shall be with child, and bear a Son, and they shall call His name Immanuel," which is translated, "God with us."
"Only begotten" (monogenes - gk) means "unique", or "one of a kind" or "only" not created or born.
Not created or born, Si cristo? Hehe
Read Colossians 1:15 is he not created?
@cyanara5523 in a human nature to show His Divinity. Now kaya bang magligtas at magpatawad ng kasalanan si Kristo kung tao lang siya?
@@troyjoshuasalomon9361 The Father Made Jesus Lord and CHRIST(Messiah or savior). If Jesus was God he should have been savior and has no need to be appointed by another God.
Acts 2:36 American Standard Version (ASV)
Let all the house of Israel therefore know assuredly, that God hath made him both Lord and Christ, this Jesus whom ye crucified.
1 Timothy 2:5
For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the MAN Christ Jesus,
Its clear that God Elected Jesus who is a man to be the ONE MEDIATOR BETWEEN MAN AND GOD. Never does the verse states he has dual nature. Why would the bible hide this important fact for centuries when the Father revealed himself numerous times but never once was Christ mentioned?
Now your question of how can a man forgive sins. Have you read that the Apostles also was given the power to forgive sins? Are they also God because they also made miracles?
Also you haven't even denied that Christ was a CREATED BEING. You cannot be God or the Creator if you are CREATED
Colossians 1:15
The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.
@@cyanara5523 The broader context of Colossians 1, particularly verses 16-17, shows Jesus as the agent of creation, reinforcing His preeminence and excluding the interpretation that He is a created being. The text states all things were created in Him, through Him, and for Him.
Biblical Examples: The term "firstborn" in the Bible often indicates rank and privilege. David, though the youngest son, is called "firstborn" due to his preeminent position (Psalm 89:27). This supports the interpretation of "firstborn" as indicating status rather than chronological order.
The term "firstborn of all creation" in Colossians 1:15 indicates Jesus' supreme authority and preeminence over all creation. It does not imply that He is part of creation but rather that He is its sovereign Lord.
Thanks to you bro Joe Ventilacion for the biblical explanations.
Show me just 1 verse saying
"Father is the only God"
Dear INC members, i have a question for you and all the INCs out there. Just simply answer with a YES or NO.
Is JESUS CHRIST created by GOD the FATHER?
Does INC believe that JESUS CHRIST is created by GOD the FATHER?
YES or NO?
@@jeffreytrinidad3564
Now this is eternal life: that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent. John 17:3
This verse emphasizes Jesus Christ addressing the FATHER as the "ONLY TRUE GOD" while distinguishing Himself (Jesus) as the one sent by the Father.
John 17:3
New King James Version
3 And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.
Jesus is praying for his Jewish Disciples. Born Jews, grew up as Jews and had the Old Testament as their Scriptures; SURELY AND DEFINITELY ALL THEIR LIFE, THEY KNEW THE FATHER IS THE ONLY TRUE GOD.
1) Why would Jesus still need to pray for them to know the Father is the only true God?
2) If Jesus only wanted his Jewish disciples to know the Father is the only true God; why did he not put period (.) after true God?
3) If Jesus only wanted his Jewish disciples to know the Father is the only true God; why did he used "and" even adding himself?
4) Is the used of "only" here only pertains to the Father?
5) Does John 17:3 have an identical or twin verse in the New Testament?
@@noelpalapuz2390 then read John 17:5, JESUS says He had the same glory with the Father before the world was created.
Amen Dr. James let us stand for the Truth.. God bless Dr. James
what truth?
Dr.James did not prove what he believe my friend that person ask him if Christ a man he said yes and then ask again if god is man no Dr white said and Dr.james avoid the next rebutal....that's why he ask again to explain himself he just try to confuse the man he even ask for a time that man just let him for he has already prove his point.....good thing the time is up..... ✌️✌️✌️✌️
@@rogeliorulloda3839 John 14:10 About the Trinity
At time segment 1:46, Mr Ventilacion did not know that when Jesus said "you are the only true God", Jesus was looking up in heaven. In Heaven there's no other God of course but the Father.
Samuel Cajeles Every man dont have to look up in heaven to speak to the Father. They can speak to God by bowing their heads thru their prayers.
Jesus knows more than any man on earth that the Father is the only true God.
When Jesus look up in heaven He knows that the Father is God in heaven above and over the earth below.
Im sure you are not aware of this verses.
Deut.4:39 ISV
May you acknowledge and take to heart this day that the Lord is God in heavens above and over the earth below-there is no other God.
Isa.43:10
There was no God before Him, and there will be no God that will come after Him.
There is no God besides God. Isa.45:5
No God like God. Isa.46:9
No God With God. Deut.32:39
God is God alone. Psalm 86:10
For I am God and there is none else. Isa.45:22
The lord is our God, the God alone. Deut. 6:4 ISV
If believe in trinity, what about the Holy Spirit?
@@ven6372 well the Scriptures said in John 4.24 "God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth". INC don't believe that the Holy Spirit is God. What they've thought was the Holy Spirit as "it" not "HE". This is the problem of INC, They clearly don't know who God is and that is a terrible truth.
@@ilcap our lord Jesus said: the FATHER IS THE ONLY TRUE GOD-Jn.17:3, SAME with INC. With this in mind,
Jesus describe the Father as Spirit, not a PERSON as trinitarian insist.
It makes more sense to believe Jesus than to believe you.
@@ven6372 INC believe in that verse and I believe it also. That the Father is the ONLY true God, but other verses in the Scriptures where Jesus mentioned His divinity (having the same attributes of God). I beleive it also. INC don't beleive it. INC pick and choose what to believe, and if the verses implies Jesus was God, INC tried to get all kinds of translation to get to the "right" words to support their false doctrine.
I was a member of INC by faith since 2006. Nevertheless, I'm totally unsure about the diety of Christ. On the other hand, my faith changed a few weeks ago. This video gave me more of what I believe in that JESUS CHRIST is the ONE TRUE GOD. AMEN... My family should see these because our Time has started to end. May the Spirit of JESUS be with us now and forevermore.
Acts 2:22nkjv-“Jesus of Nazareth, a MAN attested (certified) by God”
U see that bro?
God ATTESTED or certified Jesus is a man. Anyone, like James White, who try to ABOLISH God’s DECREE is being utilized by Satan.
*If Jesus is God, what is the PURPOSE of what he said in his prayer for us, that we may know the Father as the only true God?-Jn17:1,3
*If Jesus is God, why God ATTESTED or certified Jesus is a man?-Acts2:22
And what about the Father?
@@elyhonor2779The FATHER is The one and only true GOD. JESUS is a man but not an ordinary man. HE will be sent by GOD come judgment day to save GOD'S chosen ones. IGLESIA NI CRISTO or CHURCH OF CHRIST IS The one and only true church purchased by the blood of CHRIST, ( ACTS 20:28 LAMSA TRANSLATION).💚🤍♥️💚🤍♥️💚🤍♥️💚🤍♥️
@@TeclaKinumurahahaha. Mga niligtas ng Diyos. Magbasa po kayo ng bible at humingi ng pang unawa sa Banal na Espiritu. huwag pasugo lang na dagdag
@@TeclaKinumuraare you kidding? Does that mean that churches before 1914 were all fake? Does that mean that before your INC registered in SEC people are doomed and destined to hell? LOL
The first one who want to save us is the GOD THE FATHER....and He sent HIS SON JESUS CHRIST TO BE OUR SAVIOR...THE SAVIOR OF HIS CHURCH ,THE CHURCH OF CHRIST.
How many Savior is Father and Son?
I’m part of the Restoration Movement Churches of Christ/ Christian churches when American Missionaries arrived in the Philippines around 1901; Felix Manalo, who was a former member of the original church of christ group break away from the Trinity teachings and started INC (Iglesia ni cristo) around 1914. They’re different. What they teach is dangerous others are misled.
The original Church is the Church of Christ 1914 thats the reason why bro manalo was set apart to preach the true teaching of the monotheistic faith and that is the teaching of Christ Himself in John17:1-3 that the Father alone is the only true God and this leads to eternal life and does not misleads people....
@@powerant1914 I suggest you watch the whole video and understand the context of John 17. Also, claiming as the only “true” church of christ and discarding other Mainline movements prior to 1914 is a little bit presumptuous. It just gives an impression that you’re attached to a one-man founder on year 1914 and label others as not true. God Bless you.
@@ericsavellano
Thats the reason if you are set apart by God... God has a chosen people just like in the old testament, israel was the first to be chosen by God as His own special people (Deut.7:6-8; Rom.9:4)...
For example, in the new testament times, you are one of the believers of God in the world a very devoted to God but then you do not belong to the Church where apostle paul belong to therefore what did apostle paul say?
"God having provided something better for us, that they should not be made perfect apart from us... For I bear them witness that they have a zeal for God, but not according to knowledge. For they being ignorant of God’s righteousness, and seeking to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted to the righteousness of God." (Heb.11:40; Rom.10:2-3)....
So if youre not part of the one true Church then youre just a believer but not chosen....
@@powerant1914 so the Iglesia ni Manalo is the one true church for you? (just asking nicely)
The irony is, the church of christ/ christian church who set out first around 1901 (where felix manalo break away from) had a slogan that “we are christians but we’re not the only christians” - Like we know we’re Christians but we don’t claim we’re the only ones in the last days.
And, for you, here you have a random dude in the Philippines claiming to be the last Sugo and his followers to be the “only chosen people”? Like, historically speaking, Luther Calvin Wesley and all the other First Second Wave Mainline leaders are not Christians?! Just the group that was founded in 1914?
@@ericsavellano
So let me ask you, where is the church of christ 1901 now? Are they christian trinitarians or unitarians? Do they still praise the Lord as stated in Eph.3:20-21 that all who belong to the Church must praise Him forever? Are they the prophesied Church in John10:16; Acts20:28?
Well presented sir joe
Amen Dr. .White God bless you more..
God is over than Christ ! Because God is greater than Christ ! No one is above all except the Almighty God .
Yes indeed because Christ became flesh but when He returned to God He once again became God or got His power back and so co-equal with the Father...
@@ChiSoter_2024he never ceased to be God
@@liljs4189
When He emptied Himself He became a man and restricted His divine qualities to become fully man
How is God over Christ when Christ is God?
@@ChiSoter_2024 he was fully man without ever ceasing to be fully God, as the ancients say “he was truly god and truly man”
Joe is very arrogant, but was became dumbfounded when cross-examined.
Dumbfounded? Who was arrogant? They were so calm. Maybe start reading the bible and researchthe culture, language, and the state of mind of the author not just cherry picked verses by your admin. Maybe light may shine upon you.
@@ninjamania537 Joe was very arrogant.. hard to listen to especially in the beginning and I'm only 40 minutes into the video. He was acting very childish
@@travisanderson3920 agree, just any other INC debater do
mga sulpot pasok. itong joe na ito yung pumunta sa israel tapos sinusubo nya sa mga judio yung doctrina.nila sa inm.kala nya yata mga sulpot ang mga israel.pinagtatawan sya dun.hahaha.
True
I am a Filipino but the winner for me is Dr. White
Paano mo nasabi na panalo c mr white..wala nga syang binuwal sa itinayong doctrina ni mr joe..ung itinayo ni mr white halos lahat buwal
Where is the bible clearly read God is trinity. I'm Pinoy also.
Yes, you are filipino but your an antagonist of Iglesia Ni Cristo
@johnpaulforteza5574 so, your gay?
Badiiiiiiiiiing
I am a filipino and now i truly believe in the Trinity especially the true nature of the Lord Jesus being the GodMan... What a unique God (monogenes theos)! I left inc because of dr white but most especially accepting the Lord Jesus as my Adonai...
Praise the Lord!!
Amen ...Dr.James White ❤️🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
Lord God Jesus is Human in nature but God in Spirit!!
In what verse that Jesus is God in spirit?
@@rowelatanacio3787
Matthew 12:32
[32]And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.
Salamat ka Joe dahil dyan daan daan muli ang nadagdag sa INC GOD BLESS YOU KA JOE 💖
🤣
LoLs
Mas maraming tanga kaya hindi akoag tataka.
I appreciate the calmness of Dr. James White. He was able to humble the arrogant Iglesia ni Kristo minister.
He may look arrogant but he is telling the truth.
I appreciate the calmness of Dr. White too but he's understanding on verse sorry to say to you was mistaken.
Dr. White clearly the best trinitarian debator i heard so far that clearly explaining the point of the trinity.
But when he saying he believed in one God and the Son differ from God the Father, but he share BEING a God thats not believing in One God anymore, unless He is refering to the Doctrine of Oness which is The Father and The Son and The Holy Spirit is only one Person.
And also he mentioned Jesus is also Yaweh? is that a Oness Doctrine.
So the Doctribe of the Trinity is complicated, Id rather Believed to what The Lord Jesus said who is the True God that every Christian should know and thats only the Father John 17:3
Nganga si jaime puti😆
Wooo arrogant is you.bapu.
Its depends how you look the way he’s teaching , maybe from your side its an arrogant , but from the other side they considered it the true and biblical preaching
@@markjohn9382 if the persons share the being I don't understand why you said it's not believing in one God. ONE there is the being that is shared by the three. They're not independent beings therefore not three Gods.
White's opening statement- 8:36
Ventilacion's first CE for White- 28:47
Ventilacion's opening statement/first rebuttal against White- 40:45
White's first CE for Ventilacion- 1:01:30
White's first rebuttal against Ventilacion- 1:13:17
Ventilacion's second CE for White- 1:33:14
Ventilacio's second rebuttal against White- 1:43:52
White's second CE for Ventilacion- 2:04:19
White's closing statement and final/second rebuttal for Ventilacion- 2:15:18
Ventilacion's third/final CE for White- 2:30:31
Ventilacion's closing statement and third/final rebuttal for White- 2:36:10
White's third/final CE for Ventilacion- 2:51:36
Dr. James White presentation is very clear and was supported through bible text alone
MAYBE IT IS CLEAR TO YOU BUT FOR ME. NO. IT IS VERY CLEAR THAT IN JOHN 17:3 JESUS WANTS US TO UNDERSTAND THAT THERE IS ONLY ONE GOD, THE FATHER-NOT JESUS, THE SON. JESUS TESTIFY THAT HE WAS SENT BY GOD.
@@dinanumlaunion2073 I'm an SDA member snd we believe in trinity like Dr. J. White. Please read these passages ; Jeremiah 10:10 and 1Cor. 8: 6 and analyze it thorouhly
Proud of real salvation iglesia ni Cristo
Is it the Iglesia ni Cristo which was found by felix ysagun manalo...and you can find in. Pasugo magazine...or iglesia ni Cristo founded by God Himself...and the one you can find in the bible?
Are you angry?
@@paulynuna1332 not at all...are you?
@@josephricio868 very obvious a ADD man u guys so active online HAHAHAHA
@@benjisarandi5257 akala mo lang yun...maraming naloloko sa maling akala....
Isaiah 42:8
“I am the LORD; that is my name! I will not give my glory to anyone else, nor share my praise with carved idols.
Is God not true to himself? of course not God cannot lie!
John 17:1
After saying all these things, Jesus looked up to heaven and said, “Father, the hour has come. Glorify your Son so he can give glory back to you.
All glory belongs to God!
Which God?
God the Father
God the Son
God the Holy Spirit
Period end of argument
To God be the Glory!
What is John 17:5 then?
Jesus lays claim to a previous glory that was His before the time of creation.
Jesus asks that the Father would give His glory to another, namely Himself; more than that, Jesus proclaims that He has already shared in that divine glory as the pre-existent Son of God.
What are we to make of Jesus’ prayer, in light of Scripture’s unambiguous decree that God will not give His glory to another? Either Jesus is blaspheming, or He is indeed who He claimed: the eternal Son of God who is worthy to “sit on his glorious throne” (Matthew 25:31).
We believe that Jesus is “in very nature God” (Philippians 2:6) and that “in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form” (Colossians 2:9).
He is worthy to be praised.
@@renersoriano8366 Why are you replying to me brother we are on the same team. read my comment all the way and you will know that Jesus is God.
Psalm 90 talks about how “God is Everlasting to Everlasting” Meaning he can’t die or be born in existence like the Lord Jesus did.
@@zoneteiko2995 Is Jesus not everlasting? did he not came back to life after 3 days?
John 8:58
Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.”
He existed before abraham and called himself I Am. Who is in the old testament indentify itself as I Am?
Exodus 3:14
God said to Moses, “I AM WHO I AM. This is what you are to say to the Israelites: ‘I AM has sent me to you.’”
Luke 1:26-33
26In the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent from God to a city of Galilee named Nazareth, 27to a virgin betrothedb to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David. And the virgin’s name was Mary. 28And he came to her and said, “Greetings, O favored one, the Lord is with you!”c 29But she was greatly troubled at the saying, and tried to discern what sort of greeting this might be. 30And the angel said to her, “Do not be afraid, Mary, for you have found favor with God. 31And behold, you will conceive in your womb and bear a son, and you shall call his name Jesus. 32He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High. And the Lord God will give to him the throne of his father David, 33and he will reign over the house of Jacob forever, and of his kingdom there will be no end.”
His Kingdom has no end. note Only God has a kingdom that has no end. A Full proof that Jesus is God.
You have been deceived by that organization. Study the bible for yourself and you will find the truth and truth will set you free.
@@ajcarreon5508 If you are everlasting, you cannot die. That means you are not everlasting. He died for 3 days and rose again.
God made him perfect, crystal clear, pero dipa rin maunawaan ng iba.
Because the Father didn't reveal his Son to these worshipping cults like INC.... Matthew 11:27
All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him.
Katunayan lang na pili lang talaga ang makakaunawa sa TUNAY na aral.
For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. - 1 John 5:7
@@alyannalouisean64magbasa ka ng bible mo.. araw araw, ulit ulitin mo, intindihin mo.. and may the Lord enlighten you..
Mag isa lng si dr.white eh parang easy at kalmado lng vs ventilacion andaming alalay
Wahahahaha Dyan mo makilala na ang itinuro ni Dr white Wala biblya pinagpipilitan nya na dios si Cristo,
Nag kakandatranta pa inum ng inum ng tubig.. 😂
The trinity makes the clear message of the gospel unclear.
Did Jesus say:
And he said: “Truly I tell you, unless you change and become like philosophers, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven."?
Or:
And he said: “Truly I tell you, unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven."?
1 Cor 2:1-5
God Bless ❤
The clear message is God became human, died, and rose again on the 3rd day.
What's ironic is all of us believe that God is all powerful and yet this is somehow not possible? 🤦
@@Srhyle Num 23:19 - "God is not man, that he should lie, or a son of man, that he should change his mind."
I don't think God contradict himself. 🤷♂️
@@macicece2284 are you saying Jesus lied?
@@Srhyle No. I'm saying that God is not a man, nor a son of man. Plain and simple.
@@macicece2284but Jesus implied clearly that he is God. How do you reconcile that? Again, are you saying Jesus is a liar?
The express image of His person ,Jesus
Magbasa po tayo ng Bibliya para malaman natin ang katotohanan sa tulong ng Banal na Espiritu. Marami na ngayong relihiyon na manlilinlang. Wag po tayong ignorante sa salita ng Diyos. Individually should read the Bible po.
Khit po bumasa ng bumasa pghindi po sinugo ng Dios hindi po mkkarating sa pgkaalam ng katotohanan ayon nga k Apostol Pablo araw Gabi nagsisipag aral ngunit hindi makarating sa pgkaalam ng katotohanan
@@LeoDamian-mi8op kaya nga po kailangan ang tulong ng Banal na Espiritu na syang gagabay sa atin para malaman ang Katotohanan kasi kung tayo2 lang o sarili nating pang unawa talagang lilihis tayo sa katotohanan at madali tayong malinlang.
@@LeoDamian-mi8opsi manalo ba yung nasa ISAIAH 46:11 😂😂😂 sabo ni soriano siya din daw yan.
Salute to both defender of the faith
Defender of ????
@@juniorjunior4087 faith
@@baklangsoriano1299there was only 1 defender of the faith here. That was James White. Joe is a heretic and the defender of Satan himself.
James White is just trying to understand the bible grammatically and is too dramatic. Especially at 2:16:00 onwards. His last stand. You can't even see him gettingm his bible. Most of his words are from his own understanding. But I like his professionalism.
Joe Ventilacion, if you noticed, he always based everything in the bible ang explaning spiritual things from verse to verse logically. For me, he brought in more arguments that trapped his opponents using bible verses. For me, he won.
Joe didn't base everything from the Bible, he avoided verses that he was being asked to read to put it into context. It is actually very sad to see how many unintelligent filipinos there are because there is no way anybody can think Joe won the debate. You can't win a debate if you cherry pick verses and avoid other verses that refute the narrative you are making.
The INC is a filipino knock off of the JW's and Mormons. It just shows that there are filipinos who are very illiterate.
John 17:3
New King James Version
3 And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.
Jesus is praying for his Jewish Disciples. Born Jews, grew up as Jews and had the Old Testament as their Scriptures; SURELY AND DEFINITELY ALL THEIR LIFE, THEY KNEW THE FATHER IS THE ONLY TRUE GOD.
1) Why would Jesus still need to pray for them to know the Father is the only true God?
2) If Jesus only wanted his Jewish disciples to know the Father is the only true God; why did he not put period (.) after true God?
3) If Jesus only wanted his Jewish disciples to know the Father is the only true God; why did he used "and" even adding himself?
4) Is the used of "only" here only pertains to the Father?
5) Does John 17:3 have an identical or twin verse in the New Testament?
@@jeffreytrinidad3564 Your argumentation is so weak. Just becoz he used "and" does that mean he is included in that one true God? If he really meant to include himself, he should say "US" instead of "YOU" as the only true God. But never a hint did he tell "US" becoz he describes himself as the messenger sent by the one true GOD who is the Father.
John 17:3
New King James Version
3 And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.
This verse does not prove that the Father is the only true God. Here's the reasons why:
Reasons why John 17:3 is not only the Father, but the Father and the Son.
1) Jesus is praying for his disciples who are Jews. Born as Jews, growing up as Jews and having the Old Testament as their Scriptures; they definitely believed and knew all their life that the Father is the only true God. Jesus does not need to pray for them to know the Father as the only true God.
Reasons why John 17:3 is not only the Father, but the Father and the Son.
2) Jesus did not put a period (.) after true God.
Joe keeps on repeating what their church believe instead of opening his mind to The Word of God.
"SAVED BY THE BELL" is used when one has been saved by the timely intervention of something or someone, or when One has been rescued from difficulty at the last second.
-DOCTOR WHITE 👏👏👏
Bro .JOE VINTILACION anwers and explanations is really very clear ! They can’t catch up the truth ,and understand the right explanation from the Bible ! Proud to be a member of the Church of Christ !❤️😘
Can proudness make you save that you belong on a certain group? 1 corinthians 12:4 understand it
Wrong teachings make you destined to hell
so wrong, cannot understand the bible if we only pic a verse that on confirms what t we believe yet we forget the whole picture of the main context and the whole scripture
Joe really twisting the Bible. He really don't know what hit him.
Yes He is. That minister is doing blasphemy to Jesus
you are the one with very poor comprehension
@@darwinsoriano7680INC doctrine about fym is absolutely unscriptural. totally absurd😢
@@RM-ob5py your mind is the one that is absurd. that's why u cant understand the truth about God's Messenger.
@@darwinsoriano7680 God's messenger from the bible not the sefl-proclaimed one
Dr. James White does not understood how Bro. Joe explains John 14:28. That verse shows that Christ is going to the Father, not becoming one BEING with the Father, Lord Jesus didn't even says in that verse that He is going to the place where He originally came from.
Dr. James White changed/added his own explanation (own opinion) to Lord Jesus True Words. How did he say so? In that verse, Jesus says that He is going to the Father (it's simple). But how Dr. James answer? He says that Christ is going back to where He came from.
In that verse also Jesus states that The Father is greater than Him. If Jesus is God, then why He states that there is greater than Him, and we know that there is no greater than God itself. Jesus don't lie my friend, he speaks the truth.
Even if Jesus is not God, still according to the Bible which INC have faith in Jesus is Lord. We still need to worship Him for the Glory of the Father (The one and only true God).
Do you not see how ventilacion refused to do proper exegesis when confronted with 2 peter 1:1 and 1:13?
ventilacion avoided to truly and honestly answer the question. again ventilacion never proved unitarianism he merely assumed it. Stop being hypnotized by your so called iglesia. Your iglesia is no different from the catholic church especially with regards to sexual immorality.
I agree with you. I noticed he based more on his own opinions. Unlike the INC everything is based in the Bible. I am an INC convert tired of hearing those preachers giving examples through their own opinions to look them smart about the Bible.
You are deceived my friend, shame on you believing that cult , inc. Those who believe the teaching of this cult is going to face the judgement of the Alpha and the Omega, the God-Man Jesus Christ.
@@TeclaKinumura
I am an ex-inc... So you worship Christ as a man?
@@ChiSoter_2024 Yes, but with utmost respect. HE is not an ordinary man but HE is not GOD. HE will be sent by GOD to save HIS chosen people come judgment day🙏#INC ( CHURCH OF CHRIST)
John 10:30 In
28 I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand. 29 My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father's hand. 30 "I and the Father are one.”
good,good.good dr.white proud of it!!!
Amen Amen Amen
Jan na yumaman ang taong yaan sa pamimilipit ng bibliya at pamimilusopo pag nagigipit na.
Wow joe
And the one that you sent
Hownso you explain that
Hahaha sa 1:11:11 sinabi ni joe na hinde pa nag eexist so jesus nung bago pa man ang san libutan pero gumagamit ng talata galing sa gospel ni John, unang berso palang sinabi na the word was in the beginning, was means ng yari na so sinungaling ba si john? Kaya kayong mga iglesia palawakin nyo logic nyo pang grade schooler na logic nalang pinapahirapan pa sarili
Hindi mo ba alam ang ibig sabihin ng verbo? Sa pasimula sya ang Verbo kung alam mo lang sana kung anong ibig sabihin ng Salita o Verbo maiintindihan mo na hindi pa existido si Cristo bago pa lalangin ang sanlibutan 😂
Saan ba kinuha ang salitang Verbo? Kinuha yan sa latin word na Logos ano ibig sabihin ng Logos?
Logos - Longer definition: The Greek word logos (traditionally meaning word, thought, principle, or speech) has been used among both philosophers and theologians
Ngayun mo sabihin na existido na si Cristo bago pa lalangin ang sanlibutan🤣
@@RielDalagan-bv4in you just prove that james white was right. In the greek the word logos used by greek Philosophers, litterally means to rationalize to govern and develop the universe. The writer connects the Christian message to contemporary philosophical thought, indicating that Jesus is the ultimate rational principle governing creation.
@@RielDalagan-bv4inplus here pa in Jewish wisdom literature, "Word" often represents God's active force in creation and revelation. For instance, in the Old Testament, God's word is seen as a powerful agent in creation and communication. Your theology doesn't even fit the forefathers that have been way before us. Lol your denomination is a mockery
Ang lupit mo talaga ka Jo Ventilacion... Kahit sinong Debater ang iharap sa iyo magugupo mo po... Mabuhay ka Sir!...
natalo nga ministro mo ehh, Anong magaling dun
INC known for translating out of context . kulang sa research at edukasyon 😂😂😂
@@ilopez7372 yeah right haha
Lagi binabali yung sagot HAHAHA
hahahah yung pinadala ka ng ministro nyo para mag commment ng maganda ksi na expose yung kulto nyo haha
INC explanation and reasoning is much more acceptable.
The most importantly is biblical.
Looking at one verse and not the whole chapter or whole book is not a way to study the bible
@@keicanlas1112 No, you need to understand and the very context of that certain verse
@@3sxope417 Not just the verse read the Book or the Chapter for the full context , to understand why the verse says that
It's not acceptable, it's utterly divisive.
42:17
Kung ang Dios Ama ay "the only true God" ganun din ang Dios Ama dahil ang Dios Ama ay may Anak na Dios din and they are one proclaimed also by Jesus in John 10:30
"I and My Father are one.”
Is Father and Son 2 Persons, or 1 Person?
hard to breathe listening to Ventilacion seems his voice is coming from beneath the earth.
Yeah coming from the evil in hell.
He seems to be agitated....fond of literal interpretation... forgetting that it's the spirit that gives life....
He got choked
@@jetroestrera8422 like your doctor white?
@@maykeesmathworld9308 like your mom?
Salute to Dr. White! But I was waiting for you to sing Losing my religion 😄✌
😂😂😊😊😊😊
Hirap na hirap yung Ministro niyo.
@@baklangsoriano1299 halos nalunod na nga kaka explain ministro nyo ganyan pa comment nyo..saka mali mali explanation ni Joe. Pinoy ako at nakaka hiya asal ni Joe
Absolutely, yes, Dr. White. Joe was not able to refute the facts you have presented in that debate. He rather, presented things that does not in any way refute the facts you have presented
Round 1, with Joe’s 20 minute presentation. He was refuting John 17:3 which Dr. White used. And to your understanding, how so did he not refute John 17:3 from Dr. White’s belief? 42:14 timestamp.
@@zoneteiko2995he was just listening to the applause 😂
Watching this yr of 2024.
I will never be convinced even when watching this debate, that Christ is God, He never will be!!
John 8:40 "But now you seek to kill me, a Man who has told you the truth which I heard from God. Abraham did not do this"
Hosea 11:9 (NKJV) God said "I will not execute the fierceness of My anger; I will not again destroy Ephraim. FOR I AM GOD, and not MAN, The Holy One in your midst; And I will not come in terror."
Luke 24: 36-39(NKJV) "Why are you troubled?
And why do doubts arise in your'hearts?
Behold My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself. Handle Me and see, for a SPIRIT does not have FLESH and BONES as you see I have."
John 4:24 "GOD is SPIRIT, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth."
Malachi 3:6(NKJV) "For I am the Lord, I DO NOT CHANGE. Therefore you are not consumed, O sons of Jacob."
Numbers 23:19 (NKJV) "God is not a Man, that He should lie, Nor a son of man, that He should repent. Has He said, and will He not do? Or has He spoken,
and will He not make it good?"
So what's the difference bet Christ and God
Christ is MAN, He Died, Has a Beginning , Has Flesh and Bone, Hungers, Thirst, gets Tired.
God is Spirit, Does not change, Has No Beginning, Doesn't Die, Doesn't get Tired, Hungry Nor Thirsty. No Flesh and Bone.
2 peter 1:1
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2Peter1:1???
“RIGHTEOUSNESS OF OUR GOD” is referring to the “GOSPEL OF JESUS”-Rom1:16-17
If Jesus is God, what is the PURPOSE of what he SAID in his prayer for us, that we may know the Father as the only true God?-John 17:1,3
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Q?TO YOU SIR, 1.GOD SAID,I AM THE LORD,AND THERE IS NO OTHER,THERE IS NO GOD BESIDES ME, 2.JESUS SAID,THEY MAY KNOW YOU,THE ONLY TRUE GOD, QUESTION,WHO IS THE TRUE GOD? NUMBER 1 OR NUMBER 2? PLEASE ANSWER THE RIGHT ANSWER SIR
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@@jimmyvillarino5332 the sentence in #1, GOD said this to the Israelites in the old testament, therefore, JESUS was not yet sent by GOD to the world to redeem us from our sins. in sentence #2 JESUS has to tell this because HE is still in the state of MAN.
I may quote in tagalog, ang DIYOS (JESUS CHRIST) ay "nagkatawang tao" upang maging hain sa kasalanan. kung tao si JESUS, bakit pa siya magkakatawang tao?
@@randyfernandez7515 SIR ANG Q? KO LANG AY ANG NUMBER 1 AT 2, WALA PA NAMAN AKONG Q? Sa NAGKATAWANG TAO ! UULITIN KO PO YONG NUMBER 1 OR NUMBER 2 SINO ANG TRUE GOD?
@@randyfernandez7515 MAY RIGHT ANSWER KA NA BA SIR SA BIBLICAL Q? BIBLICAL ANSWER?
>tito 2:13 ''Awaiting the blessed hope of the appearance of the Glory of the great God and of our Savior Christ jesus''.. (Moffatt Translation)
>''' While we wait for the happy hope and glorious manifestation of the great God and of our Savior Christ jesus'' (New World Translation)
>'' While we wait for the happy hope and glorious manifestation of the great God and of [the] savior of us Christ jesus''.. ( The Kingdome Interlinear Translation of the Greek Scriptures)
>''As we wait the blessed hope, the appearance of the glory of the great God and of our savior Jesus Christ''.(New American Bible Revised Edition)
Titus 1:4 (KJV) To Titus, mine own son after the common faith: Grace, mercy, and peace, from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ our Saviour.
THE LORD GOD THE FATHER IS DIFFIRENT FROM HIS SON JESUS..USE YOUR COMMON SENSE
@@anghelserafin292 John 1:1