If anyone here is thinking of getting 4 of these with the RME USB card, I would recommend going for the PCIe version instead (RME HDSPe RayDAT). It should provide lower latency and more stability under heavy load. Additionally get the Word Clock module to sync all the devices.
Ayo wth, how did you read my mind?! I see the RayDAT card is over 600€ compared to the USB one which is "only" 444€. How big of a difference on latency and stability do you think there is? Edit. Oh, it was in the video...
That is the computer interfaces I have in my studio!! (UMC1820+ADA8200) Thanks for the video! I currently have it set up for 5.1 mixing. (I also just got a Realistic PZM and will mod it like yours.)
I have to thank you so much for this video, I was on the phone with Obedia, who are always very helpful, for the first time ever I stumped them with not being able to successfully connect both of my 8200, and 1820, No one had advised me that I needed 2 adat wires to make it work correct. The obedia guy simply didn't know either so I was getting nervous I had a faulty unit, until your video. I am on my way to some smooth sailing thanks to you! cheers mate!
Thank you for a really clear explanation of `a subject that was baffling me. My old band has a 50th reunion coming up `and I want to record directly to Cubase. I'd already got the UMC820 and the ADA820 will give me eight more channels. Love your presentation style - relaxed yet authoritative. You're a natural teacher.
Just bought this afternoon my new 8200 Just to link to the Behringer UMC 1820 and was search ing for a tutorial like this: found and Is a beautiful useful one! tank you!!
Just picked the ada8200 up and it worked! For the 1 cable setup, i had to have the cable plugged into the out on my ada8200 and the in into the interface, the plugs were flipped in the vid but your description was correct
I have had both of these units for quite awhile and was really frustrated with the strange latency I was getting from the ADA8200. turns out, I didn't have two optical cables to make sure the sync was right. Thanks for this, so important.
I just picked one up to use with my little studio setup. This device is going to function as a digital patch bay. I have ADAT connections on my UAD Apollo and on the Midas M32R. I don't have enough line in and outs for my outboard gear, so the ADA8200 will become the in and out for each channel of compression, EQ, etc required for connection to the outboard gear. I will just dedicate an input and output pair to each stereo device, and single channels to single devices. Then patch them in (like inserts) as needed.
@@sergiohfb The ada has 8 inputs that are independent from the 8 outputs. Each routes through light pipe independently. So you can have all 16 channels sending music in and out at the same time. The ADA light pipe connects to the light pipe on either the M32 ADAT card or into the Apollo directly. For example, if I connect output one from the Ada XLR into a compressor, and then bring it back on XLR input one, I can send channels through the compressor from my DAW or device control software. (Device control software would be M32-Edit or UAD Console, depending on the device I am using.)
I just recv'd mine today. It is running as slave behind a RME UFXIII interface. It's just so easy it took all of 5 minutes. Probably will have another one soon.
Amazing value for money. Using it for a synth and sampler input. It works great. The only drawback is that it doesn't work standalone. I.e. if you have an interface with adat and that works standalone (no DAW), this device (plugged into that interface) is not going to receive any input without software. I'm using it with Ableton and it works great. Offline is dead, though. :D
I had to switch back and forth between the 44.1 and adat before it stopped clicking and popping. Was about to pull my hair out since it's racked and the rear isn't accessible lol.
pitty that the 8200 doesn't have those sweet little pads and mic line buttons. thanks for sharing this it is a very interestingly and affordable way to have a boatload of inputs. God bless.-pc
Now THIS is what I was looking for. Very precise and clear. I got my ada8200 few days ago and the one thing I'm already vaguely complaining about (even before I get started) is the fact that the phantom power generates +48v for each and every mic input in the adat interface. I guess that's what makes it cheap compared to other adat interfaces. I worked my way around plugging to it exclusively condenser mics, just in case and so to be sure I'll never blow up a dynamic capsule by accident. This needs to be said I think
How would I connect 3 devices. I have now UMC1820 ADAT connected to Focusrite 18i20 as slave. I have a ADA8200 and how do I connect this in the chain to get all of my 24 I/O?? My ADATs are used in the other 2 units. How do I connect these? is my only option through SPDIF or?
Ok I'm confused. Do I need adat cables, a coaxial cable, or both? It sounds like you're saying I can choose between adat or coaxial, but another video I watched said both are needed. I have mine on it's way in the mail. I'm trying to understand this thing before it comes.
HI there. Have you tried patching a TOSLINK cable from ADAT OUT to ADAT IN ... to make the unit a standalone Mic Pre ? I suppose this will work, but I cannot find any information on it :) Kind regards Nils
YES! Absolutely works. My orig 16-track setup with the ADA8200 was with my (now obsolete) Mackie Firewire Blackbird Onyx. I ran parallel Word Clock cables to both the Mackie and the Behringer which allowed me to have complete flexibility on the OUTPUT sections of each. I ran a TOSLINK splitter from the ADA8200 Output which allowed me to feed BOTH the Mackie (ADAT input, for DAW capture) and the Behringer dig-input. That gave me a "pass-thru" signal for each of the 8 mic inputs of the ADA8200 (which I patched to an external PA-only mixer for room sound reinforcement). Worked great----and "faked" outputs for the Behringer as a satellite of another digital device, when it was actually signal from it's own "front-end". My current setup with a Focusrite i1820 doesn't allow this flexibility for ADAT inputs 🙁 and so I'm forced to get ADA8200 outputs driven "round-trip" from my DAW.
Without the second cable the XLR outputs on the back are useless. All the output will go to your interface through adat. Workaround: You can use an adat splitter and feed one line back into the behringer, then you can use the xlr outputs to a mixer for example for front of house or headphone mixes.
nice, thanks. I know its a lot of work, but now you can use UA LUNA on a mac with any interface, any chance of doing a song from scratch, just like you did with garageband and logic - pretty please.
You can. I would like for someone to explain the benefit of getting ada8200 instead of second 1820 (both having the same preamps and ASIO supporting more than one interface).
This might be a stupid question but using the configuration presented in the video ( umc1820 + Ada8200 ) do the ada8200's 8 outputs also work at the same time?
I see you gave a lot of gain to Input 1 on 8200, is there any distortion or ‘over colored ‘ ? I’m asking because I have this confusing. The signal after going to 8200 inputs are quite low, I’m not sure if it is correct to twist knob or not.
Hi. I have a question regarding the option for the RME Digiface USB hooked up to up to 4 Behringer ADA8200. In this scenario, is the RME Digiface acting as the audio interface? I don't know much about this product, never heard of it until now. Is this an interface without any Preamps of it's own but designed to support several ADAT expansion units? Cheers
"is the RME Digiface acting as the audio interface" ? - yes in a way biut the data dfevices are the physical ins & outs.... admittedly in terms of monitoring connections for things like headphones it's not as convenient as a regular interface with such features onboard, so probably the best thing to do is add-on a cheap tablet mixer connected to your designated master L/R main output pair on one of the devices & this tablet can then connect to your speakers & headphones giving easy volume control to both
@@johnvcougar Not so. Best as in which clock is more stable. To my surprise I found the Behringer clock more stable than the clock in my Audient iD22. Also you must use two ADAT cables if you want to use the XLR line out in the rear.
great walkthrough. I need more inputs for stuff like mpc, ipad iphone and other sound sources. I was wondering, could i slave the UMC1820 to my existent babyface Pro? I think it should work, but my question would be, what do you think would make more sense, getting the ADA8200 or the UMC1820? Besides the price maybe there is other funtionability wins in slaving the interface? Cheers
you cant sync the UMC1820 to the Babyface, but you CAN make an aggregate device in mac OS of the two devices, but then you can do that with any combinations of audio devices. However it makes no sense getting the UMC cos you have all the extras u need like s/pdif & midi etc on the babyface, but getting the ada8200 would simply add all those extra analog mic pre's and line in/outs to the babyface.. if you need 8 extra mic/line pre's & maybe also the ada8200's extra outs (less required outside of a hardware traditional studio setup) then go for it, but do you need 8 extra mic pre's or line inputs? if you aren't recording multitrack mics or needing to bring larger amounts of external hardware outputs into a DAW onboard mix, then the answer is no i guess.
@@dancetech thanks for your answer. really its more the line inputs, not more mic inputs, but i dont seem to find a perfect match for that , maybe you know of something?
WHAT driver were you using for these? 1 of the WAV drivers or 1 of the ASIO drivers? I use Mixcraft 10.5 Pro, & I used it last week to rec a rehearsal, but all the inputs come out as PAIRS, ie 1-8/1 or 2, 1-8/3 or 4 etc. I guessed that for each pair you needed to select a L or R channel to get them separate? It worked but I am not sure IF that is necessary to get separate inputs for each track simultaneously! THAT was with ASIO4ALL driver! Any thoughts? Cheers!
@@DMSProduktions DAW problem, not a driver problem. In ProTools, you can gang together any combination of I/o ports into mono, stereo, 5.1 or what have you. But if the channels DO present only as stereo, you can split them into mono after capture.
@@johnvcougar Yeah idk. The Behringer driver is only to provide USB connectivity for audio. It isn't an audio driver itself. You pick those IN the DAW itself! Normally you get a choice that will work with that hardware of Wave, WaveRT or ASIO.
The power source fry after 5 days of using it. beware of the heat. if you keep it in a room or use it in live, were is over 28 Celsius, the power transformer inside the ADA8200 will fry. it is all over the net, but i found that after my ADA8200 was not working. Now I am trying to repair it . I will ask the electronic service to find a way to make an external power supply so it won't fry again. I am very sorry that I bought this. I must be a design fault. I am not the only one with this issue.
Does this ADA8200 work as a standalone preamp without adat, so I can use it together with the Tascam us-16x08 to amplify ipunts that don't have a preamp?
please help. im using one cable only connected from adat out of the ada8200 connectd to my umc adat in. am i doing anuthing wrong? seems to work fine only if i select 48k on the ada8200. please reply
lloa I think I should write that your volume is generally lower than other uploads that I listen to. Checking the output volume of the recorded videos would be good. A compressor on the way out would make sure on volume, but check on your end of things.
@@berto606 Yeah, so now he will sure react to this when being alerted. I compare to news studio channels with speakers and others. Thanks for the concern
On this subject, have knowledge of the wireless clip on mic for iPhone that is useful when moving around rigs and consoles. A very good tool and a narrator compressor sure would lift it up
Behringer owes you money… way better guidance than their owners manual. Thank you
Behringer evolution happened fast. From "please God make it work", then "please God make it work for a year" to now when is no-brainer.
If anyone here is thinking of getting 4 of these with the RME USB card, I would recommend going for the PCIe version instead (RME HDSPe RayDAT). It should provide lower latency and more stability under heavy load. Additionally get the Word Clock module to sync all the devices.
Ayo wth, how did you read my mind?! I see the RayDAT card is over 600€ compared to the USB one which is "only" 444€. How big of a difference on latency and stability do you think there is?
Edit. Oh, it was in the video...
just bought the ADA to go with my 1820. Such a great, affordable recording set up.
That is the computer interfaces I have in my studio!! (UMC1820+ADA8200) Thanks for the video! I currently have it set up for 5.1 mixing. (I also just got a Realistic PZM and will mod it like yours.)
I have to thank you so much for this video, I was on the phone with Obedia, who are always very helpful, for the first time ever I stumped them with not being able to successfully connect both of my 8200, and 1820, No one had advised me that I needed 2 adat wires to make it work correct. The obedia guy simply didn't know either so I was getting nervous I had a faulty unit, until your video. I am on my way to some smooth sailing thanks to you! cheers mate!
Thank you for a really clear explanation of `a subject that was baffling me. My old band has a 50th reunion coming up `and I want to record directly to Cubase. I'd already got the UMC820 and the ADA820 will give me eight more channels.
Love your presentation style - relaxed yet authoritative. You're a natural teacher.
Just bought this afternoon my new 8200 Just to link to the Behringer UMC 1820 and was search ing for a tutorial like this: found and Is a beautiful useful one! tank you!!
Just picked the ada8200 up and it worked! For the 1 cable setup, i had to have the cable plugged into the out on my ada8200 and the in into the interface, the plugs were flipped in the vid but your description was correct
You're back! Awesome review keep them coming!
nice to see you back here K! (Beds here from cardiff & old school dt)
I have had both of these units for quite awhile and was really frustrated with the strange latency I was getting from the ADA8200. turns out, I didn't have two optical cables to make sure the sync was right. Thanks for this, so important.
I just picked one up to use with my little studio setup. This device is going to function as a digital patch bay. I have ADAT connections on my UAD Apollo and on the Midas M32R. I don't have enough line in and outs for my outboard gear, so the ADA8200 will become the in and out for each channel of compression, EQ, etc required for connection to the outboard gear. I will just dedicate an input and output pair to each stereo device, and single channels to single devices. Then patch them in (like inserts) as needed.
Sorry, I did not understand well how you use ADA to this purpose. Can you give an example?
@@sergiohfb The ada has 8 inputs that are independent from the 8 outputs. Each routes through light pipe independently. So you can have all 16 channels sending music in and out at the same time. The ADA light pipe connects to the light pipe on either the M32 ADAT card or into the Apollo directly. For example, if I connect output one from the Ada XLR into a compressor, and then bring it back on XLR input one, I can send channels through the compressor from my DAW or device control software. (Device control software would be M32-Edit or UAD Console, depending on the device I am using.)
I just recv'd mine today. It is running as slave behind a RME UFXIII interface. It's just so easy it took all of 5 minutes. Probably will have another one soon.
Glad you are making videos again. Great blue collar recording tips, love it.
Many thanks, this was eactly what is was looking for. Simple and clear presentation.
Amazing value for money. Using it for a synth and sampler input. It works great. The only drawback is that it doesn't work standalone. I.e. if you have an interface with adat and that works standalone (no DAW), this device (plugged into that interface) is not going to receive any input without software. I'm using it with Ableton and it works great. Offline is dead, though. :D
Love your plugin reviews too
I had to switch back and forth between the 44.1 and adat before it stopped clicking and popping. Was about to pull my hair out since it's racked and the rear isn't accessible lol.
very nicely explained
pitty that the 8200 doesn't have those sweet little pads and mic line buttons. thanks for sharing this it is a very interestingly and affordable way to have a boatload of inputs. God bless.-pc
Thank you for this video
thanks for your explanation, is the best online.
Now THIS is what I was looking for. Very precise and clear. I got my ada8200 few days ago and the one thing I'm already vaguely complaining about (even before I get started) is the fact that the phantom power generates +48v for each and every mic input in the adat interface. I guess that's what makes it cheap compared to other adat interfaces. I worked my way around plugging to it exclusively condenser mics, just in case and so to be sure I'll never blow up a dynamic capsule by accident. This needs to be said I think
Dyanamic mics shouldn't have a problem with the 48v being on. Vintage ribbon mics will.
The 48v phantom power will not “blow up a dynamic capsule”, so you do not need to only use condensers for recording.
Your dynamics will be fine. It's passive ribbons you have to worry about.
Can this set up works as a digital mixer? perhaps the setup compatible with other third party digital mixer software?
Wonderful
This is great! Thanks!
How would I connect 3 devices. I have now UMC1820 ADAT connected to Focusrite 18i20 as slave. I have a ADA8200 and how do I connect this in the chain to get all of my 24 I/O?? My ADATs are used in the other 2 units. How do I connect these? is my only option through SPDIF or?
Ok I'm confused. Do I need adat cables, a coaxial cable, or both? It sounds like you're saying I can choose between adat or coaxial, but another video I watched said both are needed. I have mine on it's way in the mail. I'm trying to understand this thing before it comes.
HI there. Have you tried patching a TOSLINK cable from ADAT OUT to ADAT IN ... to make the unit a standalone Mic Pre ? I suppose this will work, but I cannot find any information on it :) Kind regards Nils
YES! Absolutely works. My orig 16-track setup with the ADA8200 was with my (now obsolete) Mackie Firewire Blackbird Onyx. I ran parallel Word Clock cables to both the Mackie and the Behringer which allowed me to have complete flexibility on the OUTPUT sections of each. I ran a TOSLINK splitter from the ADA8200 Output which allowed me to feed BOTH the Mackie (ADAT input, for DAW capture) and the Behringer dig-input. That gave me a "pass-thru" signal for each of the 8 mic inputs of the ADA8200 (which I patched to an external PA-only mixer for room sound reinforcement). Worked great----and "faked" outputs for the Behringer as a satellite of another digital device, when it was actually signal from it's own "front-end".
My current setup with a Focusrite i1820 doesn't allow this flexibility for ADAT inputs 🙁 and so I'm forced to get ADA8200 outputs driven "round-trip" from my DAW.
Out of interest why would you choose to use 2 cables opposed to 1 one when the end result is the same?
8 channels higher resolution over 2 cables vs 8 channels lower resolution over 1 cable
Without the second cable the XLR outputs on the back are useless. All the output will go to your interface through adat. Workaround: You can use an adat splitter and feed one line back into the behringer, then you can use the xlr outputs to a mixer for example for front of house or headphone mixes.
The 8200 is an I/O device. If you want to use its input AND its outputs, you'll need two ADAT cables.
Thank you. It helped me.
Great voice
Is it compatible with focusrite? excuse my ignorance...
Any ADAT capable device including Focusrite
nice, thanks. I know its a lot of work, but now you can use UA LUNA on a mac with any interface, any chance of doing a song from scratch, just like you did with garageband and logic - pretty please.
might have to do that! New m2 mac being ordered this week
is this good for recording analogue drum maschines and synths?
since it's 44.1/48 kHZ - can it work with the main interface being set to 96kHZ or not? or would I have to set everything to 44.1/48 only?
Main interface and behringer need to have same sample rate.
Can i connect two behriger UMC1820 for record?
You can. I would like for someone to explain the benefit of getting ada8200 instead of second 1820 (both having the same preamps and ASIO supporting more than one interface).
@@theAristocrap tge ada8200 is cheaper than the umc1820
This might be a stupid question but using the configuration presented in the video ( umc1820 + Ada8200 ) do the ada8200's 8 outputs also work at the same time?
yes and they can be used as hardware sends for eg.
With two ADAT cables, yes.
@@johnvcougar how about latency of this outputs? is it the same as on the master device or different ?
I see you gave a lot of gain to Input 1 on 8200, is there any distortion or ‘over colored ‘ ? I’m asking because I have this confusing. The signal after going to 8200 inputs are quite low, I’m not sure if it is correct to twist knob or not.
Twist it until it's hot enough, but not too hot, avoiding clipping is usually a goal.
Hi. I have a question regarding the option for the RME Digiface USB hooked up to up to 4 Behringer ADA8200. In this scenario, is the RME Digiface acting as the audio interface? I don't know much about this product, never heard of it until now. Is this an interface without any Preamps of it's own but designed to support several ADAT expansion units? Cheers
"is the RME Digiface acting as the audio interface" ? - yes in a way biut the data dfevices are the physical ins & outs.... admittedly in terms of monitoring connections for things like headphones it's not as convenient as a regular interface with such features onboard, so probably the best thing to do is add-on a cheap tablet mixer connected to your designated master L/R main output pair on one of the devices & this tablet can then connect to your speakers & headphones giving easy volume control to both
Thanks for doing this. I’m curious, did you test clocking in both directions to see which unit worked best as master or slave?
Define "best" ... it just works or it doesn't. One advantage of using the 8200 as the master is just needing one ADAT port and cable.
@@johnvcougar Not so. Best as in which clock is more stable. To my surprise I found the Behringer clock more stable than the clock in my Audient iD22. Also you must use two ADAT cables if you want to use the XLR line out in the rear.
whats the benefit of getting this ada expander vs getting a second umc1820?
Only one interface is connected to the DAW (Im guessing)
Sample rates?
44.1/48KHz
great walkthrough. I need more inputs for stuff like mpc, ipad iphone and other sound sources. I was wondering, could i slave the UMC1820 to my existent babyface Pro? I think it should work, but my question would be, what do you think would make more sense, getting the ADA8200 or the UMC1820? Besides the price maybe there is other funtionability wins in slaving the interface? Cheers
you cant sync the UMC1820 to the Babyface, but you CAN make an aggregate device in mac OS of the two devices, but then you can do that with any combinations of audio devices. However it makes no sense getting the UMC cos you have all the extras u need like s/pdif & midi etc on the babyface, but getting the ada8200 would simply add all those extra analog mic pre's and line in/outs to the babyface.. if you need 8 extra mic/line pre's & maybe also the ada8200's extra outs (less required outside of a hardware traditional studio setup) then go for it, but do you need 8 extra mic pre's or line inputs? if you aren't recording multitrack mics or needing to bring larger amounts of external hardware outputs into a DAW onboard mix, then the answer is no i guess.
@@dancetech thanks for your answer. really its more the line inputs, not more mic inputs, but i dont seem to find a perfect match for that , maybe you know of something?
@@eddiexx check the decription above - linky - How to get LOTS of inputs into your DAW!
WHAT driver were you using for these? 1 of the WAV drivers or 1 of the ASIO drivers?
I use Mixcraft 10.5 Pro, & I used it last week to rec a rehearsal, but all the inputs come out as PAIRS, ie 1-8/1 or 2, 1-8/3 or 4 etc.
I guessed that for each pair you needed to select a L or R channel to get them separate? It worked but I am not sure IF that is necessary to get separate inputs for each track simultaneously!
THAT was with ASIO4ALL driver!
Any thoughts?
Cheers!
You only need drivers for the main USB unit
@@johnvcougar I HAVE those, but those don't work IN the DAW!
@@DMSProduktions DAW problem, not a driver problem. In ProTools, you can gang together any combination of I/o ports into mono, stereo, 5.1 or what have you. But if the channels DO present only as stereo, you can split them into mono after capture.
@@johnvcougar Yeah idk.
The Behringer driver is only to provide USB connectivity for audio.
It isn't an audio driver itself.
You pick those IN the DAW itself!
Normally you get a choice that will work with that hardware of Wave, WaveRT or ASIO.
The power source fry after 5 days of using it. beware of the heat. if you keep it in a room or use it in live, were is over 28 Celsius, the power transformer inside the ADA8200 will fry. it is all over the net, but i found that after my ADA8200 was not working. Now I am trying to repair it . I will ask the electronic service to find a way to make an external power supply so it won't fry again.
I am very sorry that I bought this. I must be a design fault. I am not the only one with this issue.
😢
@johnvcougar by the way, even the service can't find the 15 pins ac transformer, so i still search for a spare part to replace the original.
You sir, are a Godsend. Thanks so much.
Does this ADA8200 work as a standalone preamp without adat, so I can use it together with the Tascam us-16x08 to amplify ipunts that don't have a preamp?
No, unless the Tascam has ADAT i/o ports. He did say that at the start.
please help. im using one cable only connected from adat out of the ada8200 connectd to my umc adat in. am i doing anuthing wrong? seems to work fine only if i select 48k on the ada8200. please reply
It is only me or the audio in this video is super low in the beginning?
lloa I think I should write that your volume is generally lower than other uploads that I listen to. Checking the output volume of the recorded videos would be good. A compressor on the way out would make sure on volume, but check on your end of things.
I was gonna say the same thing. The levels are really low and all over the place. Them when an audio clip plays, it blows out my ears.
@@berto606 Yeah, so now he will sure react to this when being alerted. I compare to news studio channels with speakers and others. Thanks for the concern
On this subject, have knowledge of the wireless clip on mic for iPhone that is useful when moving around rigs and consoles. A very good tool and a narrator compressor sure would lift it up
The digital ports at the back are VERY flimsy. Be careful when connecting