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"how easy it is for the crew to escape the tank in the case of a fire" My grandfather was in a Ram tank during an exercise in the drivers seat. the tank caught fire, and the rest of the crew escaped except for him, who couldn't get out of the main hatch. the rest of the crew assumed he was going to burn to death. lucky for grandpa, he was flexible from doing gymnastices all his life, and he managed to contort himself through the Ram's viewport and survived without injury
Back when the History Channel did history, they had a number of German soldiers from Normandy talk about their tanks and AFVs. The interviewer asked 'what was the most feared antitank weapon in Normandy', obviously expecting some aircraft, the Firefly or the PIAT or bazooka. The Germans all talked among themselves, and one old soldier who hadn't previously spoken because he spoke no English said very clearly 'U.S.S. Texas'.
I like how LazerPig calls himself a shit historian but approaches history/ historical topics more like an actual historian. Like when I took Mongolian history in college to fill out a gen ed they turned it into a writing intensive course which basically meant that we learned how to tell a good source from a bad one. LazerPig is a good source, especially for a youtube historian and I wish he was in a place to put videos out more often because they're really good and I want more Scottish folkore, like Based Agnes.
Its worth looking at dunbar castle btw its ruins now but theirs paintings if what it looked like. That shit was a legitimate fantasy castle and if you know anything about sieges VERY aparent on why it could hold of an army. English ended up puppetting the Scottish crown in the 15th? I think century and stealing dunbar castle from dunbar clan and forcing them into mochum a palace(not a castle it had no true military application) on the otherside of scotland out of fear of both economic and military power it gave. Dunbars were a massive pain in every scots/anglo war .
@@rcajavus8141 i mean as explained its more about being humble. Its super easy to make mistakes with history so hes just forewarning that hes not oerfect hes not gospel Also hes scottish not brittish how dare you ALBA GU BRAITH
@@FW25 TIK actually isn't. Sometimes he goes clickbait and some of his conclusions are problematic. I very much prefer Bernard from Military History Visualised - strong on sources, good on focusing on a given aspect, careful with drawing conclusions.
its very easy to beat a modern thank with a tiger in reality: 1. get out of the tiger, taking the MG34 with you 2. modern tank crew sees tiger, immediately gets out to inspect tiger, as they are no doubt in love with it 3. spray them down with the MG34 4. take modern tank (optional)
I dont think they get out, not until making sure its safe, so you go from trying to win an imposible tank battle to a stealth mission of of a lightly armed tank crew versus a confused similarly armed tank crew, still on its machine, probably doubting they are alone. aka, you change very bad chances for a set of medium good to medium bad chances on a longer fight.
From an actual Tiger crewman (actually various tank crewman) in my youth I was told the Tiger was 'The most comfortable tank in a massed assault with support. The most agonizing tank to be fighting alone within.'
@@fuckoff4705 Shermans actually had horrible reverse speed compared to Tiger, the difference in agility and speed between heavy and medium tanks was marginal, especially when comparing the Tiger with the rest, the main difference was in range and cost of production. Sherman crews were also quite disturbed by the agility of tanks like the Panther that were turning on a dime and passed mud and terrain where Shermans couldnt... Only later did the while myth and generalization of ww2 tanks started, one of them being the "easy to produce fast, agile and less powerful allied tanks, versus the powerful but super slow German tanks" sounds like a game bossfight rope...
@@fuckoff4705 >if you were in a sherman you had a chance of retreating but a tiger was too slow A Tiger was not much slower and less mobile than a Sherman.
As an engineer that works with modern German equipment, "inefficiency through overcomplication" is still very much their MO. "Why use one part, when we can use 6?"
German engineering, or the German mindset in general, isn’t about efficiency. It’s about building something complex and reliable enough. Sometimes efficiency is a side effect.
As a descendant of the Tragers *Ignore my Aussie given nickname* Germans overcomplicate everything ...and I mean everything Its not just an instance of engineering
The thing I always loved the most about the tiger was honestly the crew comforts and considerations. I’ll definitely say Henchel had them in mind through a lot of the process, from all the creature comforts like radio systems and individual seating and the steering wheel system, to the fact the operators manual is full of little tips and stuff that’s written in a way pretty much anyone can understand
That's something I always found pretty incredible, and it isn't limited to the Tiger. All the German tanks were built with a remarkable priority given to crew comfort.
Interesting part of the Heavy tank problem portion of the video, in the video game foxhole, a game simulating a 24/7 war. In the most recent war, super heavy tanks were added, and whereas they can easily obliterate any other tank, they require days of farming and construction to make. And nearly every super heavy produced followed what was mentioned in this video was true, in that the enemy faction would mark it on that map, and send fleets of smaller tanks to obliterate it. Nearly every super heavy tank was either captured or destroyed.
A similar thing happened in the early days of Titans in Eve online. Wait until the shock and hype to wears off and they will become common or dropped altogether.
Also reminds me of Supreme Commander, an RTS that allows you to build some absolutely preposterously big units called "Experimentals". ...And almost any mission that you send an Experimental on is likely to be a suicide mission. Because Experimentals are so dangerous, but also represent such a massive investment of resources on the part of their builder, that any opposing player is going to throw everything they have into wrecking them before they can achieve anything. There's a giant flying saucer aircraft carrier, with a ventral laser-beam like Independence Day. Its primary value to players isn't its ability to carry and service aircraft in the field, nor its superlaser. Its primary value is the fact that it will insta-kill anything below itself when it dies and falls to the ground. Players use the thing as a flying brick to drop onto targets, because it never survives long enough to do anything else.
Precisely the same experience I have with them. Why spend all the time and resources to make a super heavy tank when cheaper, more efficient tanks and support pieces can be produced?
That world of tanks ad sounded *really* familiar, so much so that I actually went back and rewatched all of his other videos to see if he made one similarly. After watching this for the third time, it finally hit me; it's based on a radio advert from GTA Vice City. Absolute genius.
This video feels more like an analysis on how the history community covers topics like the tiger, rather than the Tiger itself, also I was pleasantly surprised on how you covered it all, cheers mate.
maybe the lesson is that, when doing history, it's impossible to completely separate the two. i.e. if you care about facts, you need to also care about what influences might exist in how those facts are being generated and decided. (this is not epistemological relativism, it is recognising that the research is done by humans)
Unfortunately, mentally he is still with one foot inside the "anti wheraboo camp" where you cant say one good thing about anything German you have to wash your hands and walk the walk of shame...at the same time they are becoming worse than the few wheraboos remaining, creating their own myths and thought bubbles.
I played "The Tiger" in CoD 2, watching it survive point blank Sherman shots multiple times before popping those Shermans like bubble wrap. It then proceeded to shrug off multiple panzerfaust hits while shredding my squad mates. Therefore it was invincible and could easily destroy hundreds of Shermans. In all seriousness though, I can see this as being a major source/perpetuator of the tiger mythology. As a little kid, the news-reel snippets and real footage played before each mission made the whole game feel like it was historical, and that game was full of misconceptions and stereotypes. "We must line up and charge our crusaders at the panzers, because our terribly short ranged guns can’t possibly pierce their frontal armor."
Another reason I don't bother with stuff like the "World of XXXXX" money- and time-siphons. There just cannot be a useful level of detail to REALLY simulate complicated weapons systems. That becomes especially clear when you shift to 'naval simulations' and you have any experience is how navies train and implement doctrine, especially in light of such publications as Shattered Sword and recent 're-examinations' of the nitty gritty of warfare.
No lol. The myth is far older and it's sources and reasons far more varied than one mission in a fucking video game. Also everyone with half a brain understands that video games are not realistic. You know, like bullet wounds magically healing when you crouch behind cover.
Creators that make ads entertaining are the best. It's beneficial for the creator, the company and the viewers. Lazer Pig is following that Internet Historian way of making ads and that's great
That ad was the most incredible piece of cinema since Battleship Potemkin was made to advertise World of Warships. It should be submitted to Cannes to win a gold leaf.
Tiger vs Abrams would go something like this: "Contact 700 meters" "Is that a fucking tiger?" "Yes, sir, i believe it is." "HAHA what the fuck. Load SABO" "READY" "Send it" "SPLASH good hit! Popped it like a fucking grape, poor bastards." "yeah..." "Okay lets go home."
German POV: "Contact! 700 meters!" "What the fuck is that?" "No idea sir, looks nothing like a German tank" "Then it must be an enemy! Load and fire!" "Loa-" *_explosion_*
Americans vs germans: "what is that thing? is it british?" "i dont know sir" (Tiger turret turns around to American colonists) "um--" BLAST "Amerikaner?" "Ja, ich denke schon"
I love the image of thirty Shermans just unloading on one single tiger that has just stumbled into their gunsights. Edit: timestamp 32:00 Thanks for all the likes
Reminds me of a mission I was playing in Destiny once. Big hulking beast of an enemy jumped right into the little corner where my fireteam and I were hiding, and we all immediately turned our guns on him. Five seconds later he was dead. I have always imagined him crying out "I IMMEDIATELY REGRET THIS DECISION!"
I loved it when he said ITS TIGER TIME and proceeded to give light to the bigger problems of the tank "historians" and denounced the tribalism of the community which had been smothering and objective view on the subject and call out the misinformation spread through memes by the part of the historical community that consists of 99% of the experts being world war 2 game players first and historians second (or eighth)
God, imagine being the Tiger that got hit by a volley of 12 shermans shooting it all at once. "Hans, advance forward over the hill. Just a little further. Ja das ist gut." **distant yankee screeching** "Hast du etwas gehört?" **TWELVE 76mm SHELLS SUDDENLY BOMBARD THE FRONT PLATES** A very shell-shocked commander tries to radio command. Radio is broken. Also asks his crew, "Whoever ist not dead, sound off..." "Hans, present." "Gunther, still here..." "Scheisse, I _wish_ I were dead..." "Do you smell something burning?" They all collectively realize the engine is beginning to catch fire. "... We should go." "Ja ja, everyone out."
If it was 76mm it would have penned, the 75mm was what had trouble with tigers prompting the slight change in shell and barrel (though it should be mentioned the caliber was still the same but the cartridge itself was made longer to push round much faster)
@@moistjohn Apparently you don’t even need the shells to penetrate, as long as you hit them and all the other shells hit, the amount of kinetic energy being transferred would make your ears hurt like hell and numerous other problems. It’s similar to how you can survive a 9mm bullet round if you’re wearing body armour, but you would be complaining about rib pain.
@@moistjohn Soft body armour and a couple of 9mm Parabellum apparently makes for the perfect recipe for bruised ribs and getting the wind knocked out of you.
The Tiger was a very good tank at it's intended purpouse, as a niche offensive breakthrough vehicle (durchbruchswagen) yet after Kursk wich is slightly after it became operational Germany was already completely on the defensive. From 1943 to 1945 the Tiger was used as a firebrigade (literal German term) as it was used to cross all lkinds of terrain to get ASAP to a break in the German lines and quench the fire so to speak. After it had done so, suffering casualties on the way and in battle it had to go to another break in the German lines. Day after day, year after year. It was not made for this. Thus it didn't perform as wewell as it could and it's cons weren't -or at least less- outshined by it's pros.
I wonder if its reliability and maintenance demands were considered acceptable design flaws due to its intended use. A tank that has to sit most of the battle out seems fine if you're trying to make the strongest first pusher in history. If it's used right, it's SUPPOSED to sit the rest of the battle out, anyway.
Part of it is that Germans have a very uneven record when it comes to building engines & transmissions. Ask any mechanic who works on German cars. After he stops swearing like a Tourette’s kid on crack he’ll let you know what’s wrong with German engineering.
@@grahamstrouse1165 The weakpoint of every heavier tanks from this era was the transmission. The thing that made the transmission flaw much worse than compared to the t34 for example is that the transmission wasnt as accesible and thus had a longer time in the workshop.
It's also a tank from Warhammer 40k. 40k being perhaps the king of the "rule of cool". If someboody looks at the Russ, the Baneblade, etc. and thinks "that could work in reality" they need serious help. Hell I'm an Imperial Guard simp and if my only option for a fight was a real Russ I'd probably turn my gun on myself immediately.
I think the Chimera is pretty much the only moderately practical vehicle in the Guard’s arsenal but as mentioned above IG tanks (and most things Warhammer) have little to do with practicality and more to do with ‘okay but imagine if we took a tank AND GAVE IT MASSIVE FUCKING FLAMETHROWERS ON THE SIDE ISN’T THAT COOL?’ looking at you, Land Raiders. Also Baal Predator (my beloved)
"....In the chaos of war ideal, or even favorable circumstances almost never happen." 70 Maxims of Maximally Effective Mercenaries, Maxim #46: Do not expect the enemy to cooperate in the creation of your dream engagement.
I discovered this channel when it had less than 1,000 subscribers. I then shared it throughout the Universe and within days it was in the tens of thousands! Such is my power. Now I want Lazerpig's almost intolerably moving musical numbers restored. Those were among the most amazing things ever encountered!
I remember watching the t34 vid just as it came out I was like this is every horror I had heard about the t34 and more, the groups I were in changed their tune, ironic something I have been saying for ages, don't care but when a successful RUclips vid is made another story.
@@bouin91 Duly noted I'm not too arrogant to correct my own mistakes you're right I need to correct my punctuation it's just the stupid microphone system I don't write as much or speak into i you try to say all the time
Hello Mr. Pig. I wanted to let you know that I appreciate your time and hard work in making these videos, and let your sponsors know that you are directly responsible for getting me into World of Warships. They should throw more money at you. I hope you had a very nice evening with HMS Hood! 😉
8:54 will always be my favorite video of a V-2. Just the way it slowly falls over, then waits a few seconds on the ground, then blows up is peak comedy to me lol Also congrats on getting a quarter million subscribers in just over a year.
Hahahaha really? What did the Americans build at that time? And how many V2 flew to London? And who built the Apollo program space rockets? I leave you to your inferiority complex ….😅
@@Falcodevienna Well, at the time, the Americans were building enough war material to shitstomp Germany on one front and supply the Soviets on the other. We could also effectively fuel and resupply all our designs, too, and transport them to the front line effectively, where they were promptly supported by the war effort (both in terms of infantry and logistics.) And even if they were destroyed, the crews who more often than not survived could just climb in another of the almost identical 50,000 and go again. Oh, also, we diverted 10% of the nation's power grid to condense the sun and drop it on you. Shame the bastard in charge killed himself before we had an excuse, but we still had Japan, so that's some consolation. Keep LARPing.
@@Falcodevienna they would had built them anyway sooner or later with their hundreds of billions of dollars in space programs, the US and the USSR just needed the nazis to give them a quick advantage over the other
The willingness to admit someone doesn’t know everything is quite often a sign someone knows a lot more than their confident is saying, and LazerPig is the shinning example. You put a lot of research in, and we all appreciate it.
@@richardlooch2109 Because more often than not he IS correct. And you have no argument against him other than "WAHHHHH I PLAYED WAR THUNDER ONCE AN THIS TANK LOOKS COOL SO I LIKE IT AND YOU'RE WRONG".
My best friends dad was a Tiger II commander in late 44/45. He was far from elite, he was an ensign that went through a pressure cooker course and off to the front. The end of his ride came not through some dramatic showdown, but through simply running out of fuel just short of the today Hungarian Austrian border.
Lack of fuel was a major factor for both Germany and Italy, where as the British had so much they contemplated filling the English channel with petrol and just throwing a match in the unlikely event of operation sealion.
I think Saving Private Ryan demonstrated how the Tiger worked on the Western Front. Yeah, it was big and scary and very tough to kill conventionally. But then it gets spotted by a plane and now all you have is massive roadblock
I'm glad to see your section on how important the crew comforts and ergonomics and all that stuff played a huge part in the Tiger's capabilities. It's something I never once thought about in regard to the Tiger yet is something I prop up on a pedestal when discussing the Sherman.
Yeah, when I saw how the Tiger's interior was designed I respected it a lot more. It is not the amazing weapon it was deemed to be, but it performed well for the situation it was placed in, even if that situation absolutely wrecked the tank due to attrition.
I remember someone at the tank museum comparing the Tiger driver to the T-34 driver, at the end of a day at Tankfest the Tiger driver felt great after driving around all day shifting with one finger. While the T-34 driver was worn out and sore after using a sledgehammer to shift gears all day.
That's the issue with looking at equipment purely by the numbers. It's hard to quantify if a crew just hates existing in their vehicle, and if they do then they will not perform as well regardless of what the equipment has the capacities for.
@@ALovelyBunchOfDragonballz as this video points out for lost tanks, numbers can be misleading. The method of coming up with numbers can vary immensely between sources.
Hi PigLazer. I'm currently going through some rough times and i wanted to let you know that you put a smile on my face. I had some good fun talking with my friends about your video. I can't guess at what has you feeling unwell (except the alcohol), but i can tell you that you're making some people's days better with your videos and while that may not change much for you, it changes a lot for me. Thanks, sincerely, and keep showing me that, whenever i think i'm starting to consider all factors of any historical design, there's a thousand more i need to be aware of! o7
Dude had so many problems while doing the t34 video and yet it still the best video I have seen about history I love your videos, positive vibes from America
He made a shocking amount of obvious mistakes, and made out the tank was total garbage right up to 1945 when it wasn't. He got crapped on a lot for it, even if the general idea of the video (generally a piece of crap that's not even good at being one) was right. He also failed in that video to show off just how bad everyones tanks were. The reason the sherman gets over praised wasn't because it was a god tank, but because it was a solid tank where almost everything was crap.
@@fearedjames Why does he need to specifically tell you all the other tanks were 1930s-40s tanks AKA barely functioning, that should be taken for granted. The video is about the T-34 so he will talk about T-34, simple as. He attacked the idea of it being some soviet superweapon made of pure stalinium. If you have any actual examples of him being wrong do to me.
I'm not watching a 5 minute advertisement from anyone. Fuck that. Stop sucking his cock for wasting 15% of a fucking 30 minute run time on a game I uninstalled years ago because it got unfun.
LazerPig puts more effort into the AD time than some creators do their main video. It's amazing and top tier. Oh yeah, the rest of the video was good too i guess.
As a historian, everything in this video is wrong. Full disclosure: I have specialized in post war Japan, modern California, medieval Wales and everything I know about the Tiger tank I learned from Kelly's Heroes.
I really love the nuance of talking about the tank in multiple aspects and also how in actual wars, it's almost never just tank on tank combat. I also agree that much of what you're saying is fairly well covered, but honestly, I could probably watch you taking down the "Shermans were death traps" myth for a whole video and still be entertained. Love your work, I'm seriously always excited when a new video shows up and I keep rewatching your old stuff.
Great video as always. Was honored to see my best-performing video featured in a screenshot, and was glad I didn't get totally bodied in this video. I'm a little busy with this war in Ukraine at the moment, but assuming I survive I'll definitely refer people to this video whenever I get around to continuing my anti-Wehraboo series.
I think you need to focus on dispelling misinformation about the Wehrmacht rather than trigger people that probably don't even watch your content. You think a Wehrb is gonna watch an anti-Wehrb video? it's like trying to convince a Tojoboo that the Empire he wanks to did nothing wrong.
Sad to hear you say that your videos aren't good. Good is definitely subjective and just because you're often very silly doesn't mean that you aren't knowledgeable or educational. Your videos are very good, you know your shit and I appreciate the absolute hell out of you, I'm genuinely excited whenever you post something. Also I hope you feel better.
A King Tiger could take out an Abrams if you droped it from orbit and the Abrams was not occupied. The Tiger would also have to be dropped by a craft with advanced targeting software. You know what else could do that? A rock.
On "superweapons" and "super-heavies", there's actually a fun little tactic that takes advantage of the effect described here, most famously known as the "distraction carnifex". The namesake is a very tanky Tyranid unit in the WH40k tabletop, but it's broadly applicable to any big, scary unit in a game that's kitted out to survive for a while even while the opponent's entire army is focusing on it. In fact, it's the goal; since it's big and scary, the opponent can't afford not to focus on it, but by doing so, it allows for the rest of your units free reign on the battlefield, letting them encircle, flank, and grind down the enemy units, even if the distraction carnifex goes down in the process. Of course, there's a huge difference between a game and real life, but I still find the concept quite amusing.
Intresting, essentially a little like the concept of a "fleet in being" like Yamamoto....atleast I think I'm using the phrase Fleet in Being (sometime force in being I have heard in more land context) accurately. Navelly what your describe seems very accurate to this term. In a similar scenario, the early(1790s+1830s, kinda to 1860s) US government in primarily used super frigates. They were very intresting themselves, almost lost track a wrote too much about them. Essentially they were very similar to a modern day cruiser or in the past despite there size a 3rd or 2nd rate ship of the line. (there size was larger then an average frigate closer to a 4th rate). Any ways they america used a strategy of having 10 1st rates that way any country would have to send 20 of there own atleast, most countries had only 20 somthing 1st rates, besides Britian and France which would be open to invasion by the other. This is more on a strategically and politically side of this concept but its interesting to me.
That’s an extremely expensive distraction ! plus not to mention you need soldiers willing to be okay with being specially targeted and pretty much knowing their gonna die. I get the tactic tho I’ve used it in videos games myself lmao and in theory would work but not in today modern combat. imagine the usa built a super carrier which housed around 15k people to run the ship and planes.. take that thing down and that’s a lot of people dying not to mention the cost to run that thing 😵💫 . As much as I would love huge super weapons I don’t think they are viable.. at least in today world ! I imagine when technology catches up and human population numbers increase we may start seeing huge planes carrying thousands of people around which in turns means huge military planes and vehicles
@@lonemaus562 Well, the Tyranids get away with it because they can cheat. They're a hive mind whose approach to warfare runs the gamut from the aforementioned disteaftion Carnifex all the way down to smaller bug units considered so expendible that they're not even born with digestive systems because they're not expected to survive long enough for it to be relevant. So morale isn't really an issue for them. If the Carnifex is killed, as long as the Nids either win and/or recover the body, they just drag it back to a digrstion pool (or have ripper swarms devour it and then scurry back and leap into said pool), they can take the biomass and make another Carnifex realtively quickly. To get a similar effect with a Human army, you'd probably need some sort of drone force.
I’m shocked to learn you had less than a thousand subscribers at the time of uploading the T-34 video! Even now it feels like you should be at 500K subscribers with how much quality content you put out.
@@evil1143 Yeah, as much as I would like ads to not be a thing the guy still has to make money off his work and ads are generally the way. At the very least he makes them entertaining and places them at the start so they're easy to skip rather than in the middle.
Good on you Lazerpig for outlining how the Germans recorded tank losses. Tikhistory was where I had first heard about that, and it's definitely something that needs to be better promulgated to the historically inclined.
Well that’s history in a nutshell the broad big picture is easy to understand. But the deeper you delve into the details the more complicated and contradictory it gets, due to humans being well human ultimately emotional and irrational despite our best efforts.
my dad told me when i was young "The tiger tank was the biggest, scariest, most powerful tank in the whole war! nothing could stop it! ...except the 15 sherman tanks right over the ridge waiting, cause we had a lot"
It blows my mind that this channel was tuning out videos like this, (Fucking legendary btw) while it was so small. It blows my mind even more just how fast this channel skyrocketed over the past year.
The Sherman was very reliable and was made in huge numbers. Also by the time the Allies landed in France, they able to repair knocked out tanks and send them back into combat.
@@lyndoncmp5751no, they weren't, constant aerial bombardment of factories, the tanks are overcomplicated it means that repairs are tedious and a pain, and the engine being...yeah also the lack of fuel
@@RandomFurry07 Yes they were. The Germans constantly repaired their tanks at the front and sent them back into combat in Normandy. The only real time they abandoned them was when the allies moved fast in August , before the Germans had the time to repair them. There's stacks of pictures of German armour being repaired and serviced in Normandy in June and July. The Germans lost few tanks to not being able to repair them in June and July including Tigers. Where does this modern internet myth that the Germans couldn't repair their tanks at the front come from?
@@lyndoncmp5751 Likely do to the supply issues in Africa and the eastern front. The Russians were moving very fast. By D-day the USSR was already on German soil. By the time the non USSR allies entered Germany the Russians were knocking on the door of Berlin.
@@digbee8543 You really just tried talking about ratios on comments that were just posted under a video that only came out mere hours ago. Go back to Twitter
This just makes me think back to the empire in Star Wars and the death star. I know they were deliberately an influence, but the whole flaw of the super weapon carries quite nicely as well.
And then they put deathstar lasers on star destroyers... cause thats a thing now.. "portable" planet destroying weapons XD Though the comparison is a bit lacking. The empire build its death star to subjugate and opress a galaxy it had allready defacto conquered. It was meant as a statement of absolute power to a galaxy that at that time was not able nor willing to fight back. Hadnt it been sabotaged by its very designer, chances are the rebellion would have fallen on yavin. Compare that to the nazi regime only starting to invest more and more time into wunderwaffen when the war had allready completly turned against them (and arguably allready lost) and their search for a "i win button" was more a thing of desperation and an increasingly insane leadership. Not to mention: The deathstar actually worked XD
That is not a bad analogy. The Death Star has big problems, but it is still a big threat that, if nothing else, requires serious attention to take it out. The Tiger was not quite that powerful, but when left unattended could pull off a Villers-Bocage (it's telling that once the British got their shit together, Wittman's tank was disabled by a FUCKING 6-POUNDER). Unfortunately for the Tiger, the Allies had all kinds of things that could engage a Tiger, and it barely made a dent in the defense system.
@@leduckified1534 Schneider, Jentz, Wilbeck. Sledgehammers: Strengths and Flaws of Tiger Tank Battalions in World War II by Wilbeck in particular goes into detail about kill totals. Wilbeck cites an overall 12:1 kill ratio in direct combat. This is the highest of any tank in WW2.
I mean, sure, excellent kill ratio, but low numbers, low reliability, and fighting on the defensive for most of its service life, these are all contributing factors. It’s hard to beat the tiger’s kill ratio in a Sherman or T-34 because you’re on the offensive AND there are so many of you
The intro is "National Aerobic Championship USA 1988" Between this and the Pepsi Man theme in the T-34 video, I'll always admire Lazerpig's ability to implement unrelated content and make it funny
THANK YOU. I just had to go out and find that video, because I remembered it vividly from memes and just the song being a thing, so I'm sure your comment helped others that didn't know as much of what to search for as I did.
Following the disource on the Tiger tank over the years is kind of like how your opinion of your parents changes over time. As children you love them and think that they're perfect, then as teenagers, you start to see all their flaws and maybe even hate them for their ideologies, and then as an adult, you see that they're human like the rest of us and that they're just doing the best that they can. Thanks for helping me to appreciate my first favorite tank again, LazerPig.
Tigers have the advantage that once you understand the process that created them, they make sense and did their specific job well in a vacuum. Every problem with them is homogenous to the existence of German Engineering Doctrine, and every problem with the doctrine they fulfill the task of is that same problem that ALL heavy tanks suffer from, which is the standard Logic Recursion Trap problem. Everyone in WW2 except the Japanese made the mistake of believing they would need a tank with the defensive characteristics of a static fortification, and the firepower of the Heavy Bombard artillery to attack and breach entrenched fortifications. Ignoring the fact that the Heavy Bombard is naturally well protected in the first place because its firing over the horizon and its primary payload is high explosive, and its Armor Piercing Shell is designed to work against antique battleships who are more capable of sustaining damage then any static fortification will be able to. The Tiger is perhaps the singular well executed piece of German Engineering in WW2, but its resolving a question by Transitive induction. Transitive Induction is a great method of resolving problems in Math but in applied sciences and warfare it means you fail to account for all scenarios and considerations.
@@rembrandt972ify And how much you start to appreciate the design of their suspension, even if it is complicated and difficult to maintain sometimes... wait, what?
I think The Chieftain (yes, yes i know) put it best together about the Tiger: It was exelllent in what it was build for: a breakthrough tank, ment to be carted to the front, create a breakthrough for other forces to exploit and be carted back to the depot for maintenance. It was thren pressed repeatedly into roles it was not ment to serve as, mainly as main battle tank, and thats were it supposeded shortcommings showed. But still even in those roles it performed mostely remarkably wellas it still had decent armor, a big ol gun (though kind of an liability in very close quarters combat), and thanks to it's crewcomforts, mostely a 'joy' to drive around. It was not though, the tank to end all tanks, or the thing that bankrupted the German Reich. It was a prettxy good tank overall, but it was not warwinning, there is no such thing as a warwinning tank.
Always thought that if the tiger had been built and developed in peace time may be allowing some if its issues to be solved it would have done much better
The best observation about the Tiger is from the chieftain, in that, it was a “breakthrough” tank. Meant to be advancing forward allowing the rest of the army/supply chain to follow and give it a break between advances. Germany didn’t do much breakthrough-ing and enemies don’t attack and then give your Tiger a break to do all it’s maintenance
exactly what people seem to not understand, the exhausting maintenace it needed after an attack was also taken in account when they were designing it, they expected it to waste so many resources
The Panzer Killers by Daniel Bolger is an excellent book written by a retired US Army Armored Division Commander about the 3rd Armored (Spearhead) division and it's commander Maurice Rose. It's a very good look into the every day engagements between the Americans and Germans. In the book, General Rose mentions that the only US tank that could go 1v1 with a Panther or Tiger at the end of the war was the Pershing, of which the 3rd Armored was given 16 (IIRC).
@@Pantsinabucket And considering that estimates are about 140ish Tigers on the western front (and as lazerpig pointed out correctly.. these numbers might be fastly overblown) meeting a tiger tank in the field might have been a genuine rarity for the allies... so yeah while in theory that 1v1 statement is most likely correct.. it has nothing to do with the reality of war
As always, the right amount of humor, showmanship and factual narrative...sprinkled with a healthy dose of commentary. It is great to have you back, we hope you can rest and get better. Thanks for enteraining and educating us, be well!
The German tiger tank is almost like the Japanese battleship Yamato. Both are huge, have big guns, lots of armor, and are fantasized to death because of how cool they are. But then they have many downsides which make them look useless and bad. Like fuel, speed, and the ever increasing obsolescence of both. Just like how the tiger could be easily overwehlmed, the Yamato was very much overwehlmed by objects much smaller than it.
Yamato was built before the realisation of the carrier changing field of battle of which Japanese were the first to realise and master it Yamato was the fastest Japanese battleship Internal systems where not as sofisticated as British and American vessels, Japanese anti air is famous how shit was. Yamato class is only battleship pushed to capacity of war machine of it type without stupid naval treaties limiting a ships weight. It was just built at dawn of a new era the WW2 aircraft just getting started.
Today's Western tanks are even heavier, and I doubt that any Allied tanker would call the Tiger "useless", and thought the Tiger could be "easily overwhelmed". Yamato was of course a waste of money and ressources, but so was arguably the Iowas. The two biggest and baddest were also the most useless. At least the KGVs, Bismarcks, South Dakotas and North Carolinas did see some action against enemy capital ships.
@@TTTT-oc4eb Don't tell me my floating island of ultimate tomahawk distruction was a waste of money. What else were we supposed to mount our missiles to?
@@afriendofafriend5766 Well, USA could easily afford them, so why not. Japan in 1941 not so much. They are sexy, though. But even the politicians were shocked when they realised how much they cost, easily the most expensive battleships of all time.
Yep... The Tiger was a great tank. It was just built with the wrong industrial base. Now if it had been rolling off the line in Detroit and getting ammo, fuel and spare parts delivered by GMC Jimmies it would be a whole other story.
@@imperialus1 except that for the US to ship the thing would have been a nightmare. One reason german tanks do get so big and heavy is that they don't need to do no shipping across the Oceans (all of them in case of the US).
the thing about the tiger 1 was that the demands kept being increased during the development in the 30's and the epic fail of porsches design and "meddling" in the project, the final design of the tiger 1 was merely a stepping stone to what would eventually be the king tiger, and the tiger was only supposed to be produced for 1-2 years with the german high command ordering another 400 units at the end of 1944 because of the issues with the production on the early king tiger turret (krupp turret, NOT PORSCHE)
Yeah, the gun was overkill by far. The mechanical issues cane out from pushing a 50+ton tank at a time that automotive components were largely developed and reliable for vics in the 30+ton range. Getting thrown everywhere did not help the mechanical issues, and the tank units never got the chance to rest in between campaigns and wait for the next Breakthrough they were supposed to spearhead. In general, the assault tank concept was a limitation of the era, and it never quite materialized as envisioned.
You are my new favorite RUclips historian lazer pig! I fight serious depression frequently, you aren’t alone, and seeing what great content you still manage to produce, gives me some hope brother.
Around 11 minutes lazerpig either says he's a bad youtuber or he's looking for bad youtubers to watch. Just to let you know, if you're talking the first one, you're genuinely one of my favorite youtubers out there, and I look forward to whenever you upload. Literally a God tier youtuber.
There was an Abrams taken out in Iraq by a farmer with a Russian AT rifle with a lucky hit, obviously in a conventional environment absolutely not. But I’ve noticed as you said it’s trendy to say German tanks are trash. They weren’t as great as said in legends 😂 but they aren’t as bad as these same people say. And the same people will say the T-34 is was fantastic. Which it absolutely wasn’t. Love the channel and analysis btw
I mean you technically can take out any tank with a molotov thrown into crew compartment through an exit hatch, or, you know, destroy it through being stuck in deep mud (and exposes it to apex predator, the tractor)... people comparing "this can defeat this" in a vacuum are out of touch with reality which will always have its 20 rolls and rolled zeroes.
Best world of tanks add on RUclips. Lazerpig deserves more sponsorships for his creative ad work. Truly a masterpiece in both film making and advertising
Neither a military nerd nor a trading card game player, but my husband is both, and this entire video is such a perfect accidental analogy for deck building that I have to send it to all our friends.
As an ex wehraboo(10 years ago) from Germany. I love your Channel. Honestly it could have healed me if i had encountered it, way sooner i think. And i just love your Music Selection every time. Btw: I think the Tigerfibel was a great teaching tool for its time. Its literally made for children, they could understand how to use this tank. Its a rare sight in an authoritarian state, that does not care about human loss and suffering.
Tigerfibel is written in an entertaining way. It contains hot women, so soldiers will actually bother to take a peek at the manual. The rhymes lead to better memorization. As far as being made for children, remember that soldiers are often 18 to 20 years old.
@@knorze1777 freedomboos and wehraboos and similar boos are specifically tied to ww2 and have nothing to do with who was right or wrong, wehraboos aren't nazis for example, it's simply a matter of which nation's vehicles you prefer, nothing more nothing less, still i am glad you were able to vent your frustration with some American bashing, as is so popular nowadays, i'm sure the world would've been much better off with the USSR in charge, and i am also sure your country never did anything wrong ever and is an hedonistic paradise of understanding and knowledge.
I've only started watching your stuff recently, thanks to being recommended the T-14 Armata video and absolutely loving it, but this video is the one that can make me very confidently say that I'm a fan of your content. It gives the tank credit where it deserves it, while also noting its shortcomings, especially when said shortcomings are related to things which people usually cream their cargo jorts over like the main gun. The things which truly make a tank good, bad, or great seem to come down to things which the vast majority of people, even those with a genuine interest in history, don't know about, or don't care about if they do know because it's more interesting to imagine the bits that make the big sexy noises and blow stuff up. Much to my eternal frustration, my brain almost works in the opposite way, where especially when I see something fictional my brain starts asking questions like "Where is the ammo stored?", "How much space does the crew have?", "How in God's name are they meant to see out of there with no optics!?" the kinds of things that probably nobody on the design team would have thought about for even a moment.
An excellent video! I remember reading "Company Commander" by Charles B. Macdonald. He discussed his experience in the battle of the Bulge facing a German offensive, and seeing his supporting armour pulling out; they were concerned that they would be facing Tigers or Panthers, and the old 75mm Sherman wasn't built for that fight from the front. So they took off and left the infantry to fend for themselves. As I recall, that chapter in the book was entitled "We run like hell". For obvious reasons. It shows the psychological impact of Tigers and their animal cousins which were out of all proportion to the actual combat performance, which was creditable enough. But the mere possibility of facing tigers meant the allies would make changes like this they would never have done if they knew for a fact the opposition were Mark IIIs. It meant battles could be lost before they had started.
"Anyways, I`m very drunk" is one of the greatest endings to a video on youtube that i`ve seen for over 10 years. Kudos to you, sexypig. Thats why we watch your videos. Great and honest breakdowns of topics with more than one right answer.
Another incredible video, Lazerpig. I really enjoy the balance you try to bring to topics like this. I'd really love to see you do a video on the Sherman. I feel like we'd all learn a lot about it, for better and worse.
I highly recommend reading the book "Death Traps." It's by an officer in a U.S. Heavy Tank Battalion, and the basis of most of the myths on the Sherman. "But wait!", You might say. "HEAVY Tank Battalion? The Sherman was a Medium Tank!" Yes. And if people actually understood the book, his argument is not that the Sherman was bad- it is that U.S. tank doctrine refused to change with the realities of armored warfare, and the Sherman shouldn't have been the heaviest tank fielded. Germany had the Tiger and Panther, Britain had the Matilda III and Churchill, the Soviets had the KV and IS series, and we... had Shermans, but with concrete, breaking their own suspensions. I highly recommend it. If you just skim through, you'll be convinced the Sherman was awful. If you actually READ it, you'll realize U.S. doctrine, unit placement, and procurement were awful, and the Sherman was just fine for its intended purpose.
Love you Lazerpig. Also love your videos. In fact I love your videos so much I wish they all were at least 4 hours long, even thou that would be unhealthy to the both of us. Wish you all the best.
I'm glad you touched on the fact that most conversations about the tiger are not actually done with a high degree of fairness. Far too often I see it more phrased as "Anybody who has something bad to say is acting on the side of facts and logic, and anybody who has anything good to say is a dumb wehrb."
I am glad you got another sponsor to help keep the content flowing. As always the fact you make the advertisement interesting is why I do not skip through it. Cheers and be well.
Especially if your country is having problems acquiring all of the trace elements necessary in amounts to make good armour that doesn’t have shattering or spalling problems, seemingly at random.
One thing I do appreciate about the tiger is it's ease of use for the crew. There is something to be said for something that is comfortable, rides well , shoots well, shoots fast with driving controls that don't destroy your limbs after an hours use. Maintenance, well we can't have everything.
As Obi-wan kenobi said= "I felt a great disturbance in the Force, as if millions of Wehraboo's suddenly cried out in terror and were silenced. I fear Lazerpig has made a video about the Tiger tank"
I think the wehraboos will be more than happy as the video seems more favourable than not, as opposed to the narration present for a couple of years already.
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In the future, battlebots alumni will be the most sought after by the MIC. Reliability, heavy hits, simple designs proving the most reliable, ect... sometimes all you need is a simple, well armored wedge that can flip vehicles that can't right themselves.
Battlebots doesn't allow guns or missiles so idk how accurate its "metagame" would be for IRL combat. It would be interesting to find out how it would change...
You are such a wonderful Scottish Swine who manages to be both hilarious and educational in a way that makes me look forward to every new video you make. Keep up the great work
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that's a really good impersonation of Dr. Evil.
Austin Powers less so.
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"how easy it is for the crew to escape the tank in the case of a fire"
My grandfather was in a Ram tank during an exercise in the drivers seat. the tank caught fire, and the rest of the crew escaped except for him, who couldn't get out of the main hatch. the rest of the crew assumed he was going to burn to death.
lucky for grandpa, he was flexible from doing gymnastices all his life, and he managed to contort himself through the Ram's viewport and survived without injury
Excercise pays off Kids!
Bro was made out of rubber and an indestructible will to live
Bro coming out of viewport menacingly
oh bugger, the tanks on fire
Wut
Back when the History Channel did history, they had a number of German soldiers from Normandy talk about their tanks and AFVs. The interviewer asked 'what was the most feared antitank weapon in Normandy', obviously expecting some aircraft, the Firefly or the PIAT or bazooka. The Germans all talked among themselves, and one old soldier who hadn't previously spoken because he spoke no English said very clearly 'U.S.S. Texas'.
Ya that sounds more like cope. Like them claiming Whitman tank was destroyed by fighter bombers.
@@foff3804 yes that happened son. Like the M4A3 e8 76 was another rarity for sure that could absolutely destroy any tiger even king tiger.
Do you happen to remember the name of the interview? Been looking around for it and no luck
@@topherlzs8l have u tried history channel…
@@allamericanchris429 I did, still got nothing on the topic
I like how LazerPig calls himself a shit historian but approaches history/ historical topics more like an actual historian. Like when I took Mongolian history in college to fill out a gen ed they turned it into a writing intensive course which basically meant that we learned how to tell a good source from a bad one. LazerPig is a good source, especially for a youtube historian and I wish he was in a place to put videos out more often because they're really good and I want more Scottish folkore, like Based Agnes.
Based agnes is litteraly my great great great. Etc. Grandma
I get you dont care
But wouldnt you bring it up constantly lmao
Its worth looking at dunbar castle btw its ruins now but theirs paintings if what it looked like.
That shit was a legitimate fantasy castle and if you know anything about sieges VERY aparent on why it could hold of an army.
English ended up puppetting the Scottish crown in the 15th? I think century and stealing dunbar castle from dunbar clan and forcing them into mochum a palace(not a castle it had no true military application) on the otherside of scotland out of fear of both economic and military power it gave. Dunbars were a massive pain in every scots/anglo war .
@@rcajavus8141 i mean as explained its more about being humble. Its super easy to make mistakes with history so hes just forewarning that hes not oerfect hes not gospel
Also hes scottish not brittish how dare you
ALBA GU BRAITH
Because he understands that there is objective truth .... and theres only the subjective experience of said truth to do history.
@@FW25 TIK actually isn't. Sometimes he goes clickbait and some of his conclusions are problematic.
I very much prefer Bernard from Military History Visualised - strong on sources, good on focusing on a given aspect, careful with drawing conclusions.
its very easy to beat a modern thank with a tiger in reality:
1. get out of the tiger, taking the MG34 with you
2. modern tank crew sees tiger, immediately gets out to inspect tiger, as they are no doubt in love with it
3. spray them down with the MG34
4. take modern tank (optional)
Yeah, as if they will shoot that precious piece of history
I dont think they get out, not until making sure its safe, so you go from trying to win an imposible tank battle to a stealth mission of of a lightly armed tank crew versus a confused similarly armed tank crew, still on its machine, probably doubting they are alone.
aka, you change very bad chances for a set of medium good to medium bad chances on a longer fight.
@@SaiTaX_the_Chile_boiI wouldn't exactly consider an MG34 "lightly armed"
It’s like Maus vs Abrams.
A maus could easily beat an Abrams if you dropped the maus on top of it
@@trenchposter4234 how exactly, how could you get the maus up to the air in the first place. It’s too heavy even for bomber plane to drop it
From an actual Tiger crewman (actually various tank crewman) in my youth I was told the Tiger was 'The most comfortable tank in a massed assault with support. The most agonizing tank to be fighting alone within.'
I think any tank is agonizing to fight alone with XD You might be in a big metal box... but you are also in a BIG metal box
@@riptors9777 i think you mised the point of this video, if you were in a sherman you had a chance of retreating but a tiger was too slow
@@fuckoff4705 Shermans actually had horrible reverse speed compared to Tiger, the difference in agility and speed between heavy and medium tanks was marginal, especially when comparing the Tiger with the rest, the main difference was in range and cost of production. Sherman crews were also quite disturbed by the agility of tanks like the Panther that were turning on a dime and passed mud and terrain where Shermans couldnt...
Only later did the while myth and generalization of ww2 tanks started, one of them being the "easy to produce fast, agile and less powerful allied tanks, versus the powerful but super slow German tanks" sounds like a game bossfight rope...
@@fuckoff4705 >if you were in a sherman you had a chance of retreating but a tiger was too slow
A Tiger was not much slower and less mobile than a Sherman.
@@fuckoff4705 not necessarily
As an engineer that works with modern German equipment, "inefficiency through overcomplication" is still very much their MO. "Why use one part, when we can use 6?"
Don't forget to make the spare parts hard to source and extortionately expensive
@@alexwinfield9540 and proprietary, obviously!
Most people: “the power of German engineering!
Me, an enlightened individual: “German food!”
German engineering, or the German mindset in general, isn’t about efficiency. It’s about building something complex and reliable enough. Sometimes efficiency is a side effect.
As a descendant of the Tragers
*Ignore my Aussie given nickname*
Germans overcomplicate everything
...and I mean everything
Its not just an instance of engineering
The thing I always loved the most about the tiger was honestly the crew comforts and considerations. I’ll definitely say Henchel had them in mind through a lot of the process, from all the creature comforts like radio systems and individual seating and the steering wheel system, to the fact the operators manual is full of little tips and stuff that’s written in a way pretty much anyone can understand
So was the sherman
darn you beat me to it! I was going to comment about how the Tiger was comfy to operate (from the german crews perspective).
That's something I always found pretty incredible, and it isn't limited to the Tiger. All the German tanks were built with a remarkable priority given to crew comfort.
Did they have former tank crewmen on the design team or make a point of consulting them during the Tiger's development?
@@RaptorJesus except for the panther and tiger II.
"It had seats for all the Crew".
T-34 Tanker: 😮
T-34 crew: “I used to dream of a chair for myself!!”
In Soviet Russia chair sits on you...
Wait, crew have seats, lol
@@Ben-zr4hoBro described my GF.
Interesting part of the Heavy tank problem portion of the video, in the video game foxhole, a game simulating a 24/7 war. In the most recent war, super heavy tanks were added, and whereas they can easily obliterate any other tank, they require days of farming and construction to make. And nearly every super heavy produced followed what was mentioned in this video was true, in that the enemy faction would mark it on that map, and send fleets of smaller tanks to obliterate it. Nearly every super heavy tank was either captured or destroyed.
Sounds like a user error to me.
A similar thing happened in the early days of Titans in Eve online. Wait until the shock and hype to wears off and they will become common or dropped altogether.
Also reminds me of Supreme Commander, an RTS that allows you to build some absolutely preposterously big units called "Experimentals".
...And almost any mission that you send an Experimental on is likely to be a suicide mission. Because Experimentals are so dangerous, but also represent such a massive investment of resources on the part of their builder, that any opposing player is going to throw everything they have into wrecking them before they can achieve anything.
There's a giant flying saucer aircraft carrier, with a ventral laser-beam like Independence Day. Its primary value to players isn't its ability to carry and service aircraft in the field, nor its superlaser. Its primary value is the fact that it will insta-kill anything below itself when it dies and falls to the ground. Players use the thing as a flying brick to drop onto targets, because it never survives long enough to do anything else.
Precisely the same experience I have with them. Why spend all the time and resources to make a super heavy tank when cheaper, more efficient tanks and support pieces can be produced?
@@ikat_tracer That basically sums up the Nazi regime.
That world of tanks ad sounded *really* familiar, so much so that I actually went back and rewatched all of his other videos to see if he made one similarly. After watching this for the third time, it finally hit me; it's based on a radio advert from GTA Vice City.
Absolute genius.
Which one?
@@dubvuchyea502 Exploder: Evacuator part II
@@theangrysangheili rated R for retarded
@@theangrysangheili EXACTLY! That's what I was trying to remember. And later it says "rated PG for patriotic garbage" lol
Legit the best ad I've ever seen. I always skip them but I watched the entire thing
This video feels more like an analysis on how the history community covers topics like the tiger, rather than the Tiger itself, also I was pleasantly surprised on how you covered it all, cheers mate.
maybe the lesson is that, when doing history, it's impossible to completely separate the two. i.e. if you care about facts, you need to also care about what influences might exist in how those facts are being generated and decided. (this is not epistemological relativism, it is recognising that the research is done by humans)
Unfortunately, mentally he is still with one foot inside the "anti wheraboo camp" where you cant say one good thing about anything German you have to wash your hands and walk the walk of shame...at the same time they are becoming worse than the few wheraboos remaining, creating their own myths and thought bubbles.
It’s almost more of a historiography video, which are often lacking in popular consumption of history (unfortunately).
I played "The Tiger" in CoD 2, watching it survive point blank Sherman shots multiple times before popping those Shermans like bubble wrap. It then proceeded to shrug off multiple panzerfaust hits while shredding my squad mates. Therefore it was invincible and could easily destroy hundreds of Shermans.
In all seriousness though, I can see this as being a major source/perpetuator of the tiger mythology. As a little kid, the news-reel snippets and real footage played before each mission made the whole game feel like it was historical, and that game was full of misconceptions and stereotypes. "We must line up and charge our crusaders at the panzers, because our terribly short ranged guns can’t possibly pierce their frontal armor."
you cant play a Tiger in COD 2
@@MZrieger"The Tiger" is a level in bri'ish campaign. It, surprisingly, features a tiger
@@MZriegerit's a level
Another reason I don't bother with stuff like the "World of XXXXX" money- and time-siphons.
There just cannot be a useful level of detail to REALLY simulate complicated weapons systems. That becomes especially clear when you shift to 'naval simulations' and you have any experience is how navies train and implement doctrine, especially in light of such publications as Shattered Sword and recent 're-examinations' of the nitty gritty of warfare.
No lol. The myth is far older and it's sources and reasons far more varied than one mission in a fucking video game. Also everyone with half a brain understands that video games are not realistic. You know, like bullet wounds magically healing when you crouch behind cover.
Never thought Id be so entertained by a 5 minute World of Tanks movie trailer made by the one and only LazerPig.
Good job
They really need to hire him to just make the commercials.
I want to, but I just can't look away.
literally the only time I've sat though a WoT sponsorship segment lol
He's the first one who I feel, actually put any effort into the advert xD
I actually want to play the game now 🥔
I discovered and binged all things Lazerpig in the last 2 weeks.
Thank you for being you. Don't ever change you magnificent bastard.
well, he already has. no singing at the end of the video anymore :(
@@alexmuller6752 Well, he DID say he's unwell... and he also has plenty videos to prove that. ^^
@@alexmuller6752 He mentioned he kept getting copyright struck for it in a video a while ago so he decided to stop.
@@PenumbranWolf Didn't he also say that RUclips classified it as hatespeech?
@@chibbialarak837 that was one of the strikes
Congrats on the World of Tanks sponsorship, nothing could be more appropriate in this World!
Nobody does a sponsorship ad like Lazer pig, And that's why He deserves more sponsorships if WoT knows what's good.
Creators that make ads entertaining are the best. It's beneficial for the creator, the company and the viewers.
Lazer Pig is following that Internet Historian way of making ads and that's great
That ad was the most incredible piece of cinema since Battleship Potemkin was made to advertise World of Warships. It should be submitted to Cannes to win a gold leaf.
Except maybe a special LazerPig Edition Crusader Tank. 🤔
@@WhoamI-rl8ep I was about to suggest the same thing! And that's actually high praise, not a knock on Lazerpig.
Tiger vs Abrams would go something like this:
"Contact 700 meters"
"Is that a fucking tiger?"
"Yes, sir, i believe it is."
"HAHA what the fuck. Load SABO"
"READY"
"Send it"
"SPLASH good hit! Popped it like a fucking grape, poor bastards."
"yeah..."
"Okay lets go home."
German POV:
"Contact! 700 meters!"
"What the fuck is that?"
"No idea sir, looks nothing like a German tank"
"Then it must be an enemy! Load and fire!"
"Loa-"
*_explosion_*
You missed the part where the Ahrams didn't even slow down.
@@somedudethatripsplanetinha4221they might not actually shoot because it’s not a Sherman just like what happened with the Pershing
We probably have rifles that could take out a Tiger nowadays.
Americans vs germans:
"what is that thing? is it british?"
"i dont know sir"
(Tiger turret turns around to American colonists)
"um--"
BLAST
"Amerikaner?"
"Ja, ich denke schon"
I love the image of thirty Shermans just unloading on one single tiger that has just stumbled into their gunsights.
Edit: timestamp 32:00
Thanks for all the likes
Literally just that one scene from 300
"Oh, *fuck*."
- Both sides of that engagement.
@@lexthemystic3541 Only if they hadn't encountered a Tiger before and had only heard all of the hype.
The all the TCs and gunners were shouting mine mine mine.
Reminds me of a mission I was playing in Destiny once. Big hulking beast of an enemy jumped right into the little corner where my fireteam and I were hiding, and we all immediately turned our guns on him. Five seconds later he was dead. I have always imagined him crying out "I IMMEDIATELY REGRET THIS DECISION!"
“This has been… a video.”
That’s what I’ve come to expect from LazerPig. Never afraid to tell… the truth. This was indeed… a video.
This was a Tiger Tank of a video, indeed.
The Tiger was certainly one of the tanks of all time
Some say it was the most video of all time. Written and cut, indeed. Believe me.
I loved it when he said ITS TIGER TIME and proceeded to give light to the bigger problems of the tank "historians" and denounced the tribalism of the community which had been smothering and objective view on the subject and call out the misinformation spread through memes by the part of the historical community that consists of 99% of the experts being world war 2 game players first and historians second (or eighth)
Well actually...
Nothing turns my bad days around like a new LazerPig video 🙌
Agreed. LazerPig is best pig.
Yep
God, imagine being the Tiger that got hit by a volley of 12 shermans shooting it all at once.
"Hans, advance forward over the hill. Just a little further. Ja das ist gut."
**distant yankee screeching**
"Hast du etwas gehört?"
**TWELVE 76mm SHELLS SUDDENLY BOMBARD THE FRONT PLATES**
A very shell-shocked commander tries to radio command. Radio is broken. Also asks his crew, "Whoever ist not dead, sound off..."
"Hans, present." "Gunther, still here..." "Scheisse, I _wish_ I were dead..." "Do you smell something burning?"
They all collectively realize the engine is beginning to catch fire.
"... We should go."
"Ja ja, everyone out."
Wow, that is so brave of you
If it was 76mm it would have penned, the 75mm was what had trouble with tigers prompting the slight change in shell and barrel (though it should be mentioned the caliber was still the same but the cartridge itself was made longer to push round much faster)
@@moistjohn Apparently you don’t even need the shells to penetrate, as long as you hit them and all the other shells hit, the amount of kinetic energy being transferred would make your ears hurt like hell and numerous other problems. It’s similar to how you can survive a 9mm bullet round if you’re wearing body armour, but you would be complaining about rib pain.
@@robertoroberto9798 depends on the body armor, pistol bullets don't have that high of energy.
@@moistjohn Soft body armour and a couple of 9mm Parabellum apparently makes for the perfect recipe for bruised ribs and getting the wind knocked out of you.
Whatever they paid you for that sponsorship video, they need to double it. That was a masterpiece!
@@_marlene _Internet Comment Etiquette with Erik_ comes up with God tier sponsorship skits that even have continuity.
Wot couldn’t have come up with a better ad if they tried. That’s like Super Bowl level funny
My wife thought I was going crazy watching that advertisement. I dang near peed my pants
I still dont understand how he made those tanks speak. Tanks have no mouths!
The Tiger was a very good tank at it's intended purpouse, as a niche offensive breakthrough vehicle (durchbruchswagen) yet after Kursk wich is slightly after it became operational Germany was already completely on the defensive. From 1943 to 1945 the Tiger was used as a firebrigade (literal German term) as it was used to cross all lkinds of terrain to get ASAP to a break in the German lines and quench the fire so to speak. After it had done so, suffering casualties on the way and in battle it had to go to another break in the German lines. Day after day, year after year. It was not made for this. Thus it didn't perform as wewell as it could and it's cons weren't -or at least less- outshined by it's pros.
I wonder if its reliability and maintenance demands were considered acceptable design flaws due to its intended use. A tank that has to sit most of the battle out seems fine if you're trying to make the strongest first pusher in history. If it's used right, it's SUPPOSED to sit the rest of the battle out, anyway.
Wow, a balanced view on the tiger tank. Incredible!
Part of it is that Germans have a very uneven record when it comes to building engines & transmissions. Ask any mechanic who works on German cars. After he stops swearing like a Tourette’s kid on crack he’ll let you know what’s wrong with German engineering.
@@grahamstrouse1165 Which would be not so much thanks to normal thinking. Modern German cars are no rocket sience or Alien tech
@@grahamstrouse1165 The weakpoint of every heavier tanks from this era was the transmission. The thing that made the transmission flaw much worse than compared to the t34 for example is that the transmission wasnt as accesible and thus had a longer time in the workshop.
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I'm so glad you included the Leman Russ Battle Tank cameo in the video, it's the ultimate slot in overhyped tanks that are actually bad in practice.
The only tank I think would have even a slight chance of success is the Baneblade.
I am not a tank expert.
It's also a tank from Warhammer 40k. 40k being perhaps the king of the "rule of cool". If someboody looks at the Russ, the Baneblade, etc. and thinks "that could work in reality" they need serious help.
Hell I'm an Imperial Guard simp and if my only option for a fight was a real Russ I'd probably turn my gun on myself immediately.
I love my little stupid Panzer 4 turret on a mark 1 tank
My beloved Leman Russ
@@xanmontes8715the rogal dorn is kinda fire
I think the Chimera is pretty much the only moderately practical vehicle in the Guard’s arsenal but as mentioned above IG tanks (and most things Warhammer) have little to do with practicality and more to do with ‘okay but imagine if we took a tank AND GAVE IT MASSIVE FUCKING FLAMETHROWERS ON THE SIDE ISN’T THAT COOL?’
looking at you, Land Raiders. Also Baal Predator (my beloved)
"....In the chaos of war ideal, or even favorable circumstances almost never happen."
70 Maxims of Maximally Effective Mercenaries, Maxim #46: Do not expect the enemy to cooperate in the creation of your dream engagement.
Thanks for this little rabbithole
“An imperfect plan, implemented immediately and violently, will always succeed better than a perfect plan”
I discovered this channel when it had less than 1,000 subscribers. I then shared it throughout the Universe and within days it was in the tens of thousands! Such is my power. Now I want Lazerpig's almost intolerably moving musical numbers restored. Those were among the most amazing things ever encountered!
I love his singing.
His singing was the best.
I remember watching the t34 vid just as it came out I was like this is every horror I had heard about the t34 and more, the groups I were in changed their tune, ironic something I have been saying for ages, don't care but when a successful RUclips vid is made another story.
@@matthewfergusons4318 dude, no offense, but please use punctuation.
@@bouin91 Duly noted I'm not too arrogant to correct my own mistakes you're right I need to correct my punctuation it's just the stupid microphone system I don't write as much or speak into i you try to say all the time
Hello Mr. Pig. I wanted to let you know that I appreciate your time and hard work in making these videos, and let your sponsors know that you are directly responsible for getting me into World of Warships. They should throw more money at you. I hope you had a very nice evening with HMS Hood! 😉
8:54 will always be my favorite video of a V-2. Just the way it slowly falls over, then waits a few seconds on the ground, then blows up is peak comedy to me lol
Also congrats on getting a quarter million subscribers in just over a year.
Hahahaha really? What did the Americans build at that time? And how many V2 flew to London? And who built the Apollo program space rockets? I leave you to your inferiority complex ….😅
Wernher von Braun, of course, with lots and lots AND LOTS of American money.
@@h8GW … what is your point?
@@Falcodevienna Well, at the time, the Americans were building enough war material to shitstomp Germany on one front and supply the Soviets on the other.
We could also effectively fuel and resupply all our designs, too, and transport them to the front line effectively, where they were promptly supported by the war effort (both in terms of infantry and logistics.) And even if they were destroyed, the crews who more often than not survived could just climb in another of the almost identical 50,000 and go again.
Oh, also, we diverted 10% of the nation's power grid to condense the sun and drop it on you. Shame the bastard in charge killed himself before we had an excuse, but we still had Japan, so that's some consolation.
Keep LARPing.
@@Falcodevienna they would had built them anyway sooner or later with their hundreds of billions of dollars in space programs, the US and the USSR just needed the nazis to give them a quick advantage over the other
I like how Lazer Pig recognizes how every single dad on the globe thinks Tiger and T-34 were superior tanks.
That's what the History Channel always told everyone. They treated Death Traps like it was gospel.
My dad prefers the T-95 US prototype of all things
He has good taste tbh
True that only good tanks were the British. Lazer is a teaboo
@@Chopstorm. Well, History channel has the word "history" in their name, that must mean they're a credible source.
@@viktorr7115 He WAS a Teaboo.
The willingness to admit someone doesn’t know everything is quite often a sign someone knows a lot more than their confident is saying, and LazerPig is the shinning example. You put a lot of research in, and we all appreciate it.
Guy says a lot of shit. Only admits that he is wrong when he has to.
@@richardlooch2109 So which video pissed you off? Or more accurately, are you a Wehraboo or Commieboo?
@@casual_speedrunner1482 You seem to be a lazerboo. as in every single thing that lazerpig says is gospel and always correct.
@@richardlooch2109 Because more often than not he IS correct. And you have no argument against him other than "WAHHHHH I PLAYED WAR THUNDER ONCE AN THIS TANK LOOKS COOL SO I LIKE IT AND YOU'RE WRONG".
@@casual_speedrunner1482 how old are you? I'm going to guess 11. either that or a downy.
My best friends dad was a Tiger II commander in late 44/45. He was far from elite, he was an ensign that went through a pressure cooker course and off to the front.
The end of his ride came not through some dramatic showdown, but through simply running out of fuel just short of the today Hungarian Austrian border.
Lack of fuel was a major factor for both Germany and Italy, where as the British had so much they contemplated filling the English channel with petrol and just throwing a match in the unlikely event of operation sealion.
When the Tiger II worked it was unbeatable (against other tanks).
The problem was that it rarely ever worked.
@@Kaiserboo1871 Unbeatable assuming no enemy ever managed to flank it or the nemy didn't use a big enough gun.
@@Kaiserboo1871 And when it worked, after it's first 3 shot a bomber came and bombed it
@@Kaiserboo1871 Wow...myth maker 2.0! COngrat bruda, you won this prize!
I think Saving Private Ryan demonstrated how the Tiger worked on the Western Front.
Yeah, it was big and scary and very tough to kill conventionally.
But then it gets spotted by a plane and now all you have is massive roadblock
I think you're overestimating the ability of WW2 CAS to actually fire on the enemy, and not their own side
WW2 CAS in a nutshell: spots one Panzer IV, hits 3 allied tanks and reports 15 Tigers destroyed.
@@MrPobanz we all make mistakes in the heat of passion jimbo
You mean the fact that throughout the Normandy battles no single tiger tank met an American soldier? But of course you knew that…
I wouldn'd give too much about this American propaganda movie.
I'm glad to see your section on how important the crew comforts and ergonomics and all that stuff played a huge part in the Tiger's capabilities. It's something I never once thought about in regard to the Tiger yet is something I prop up on a pedestal when discussing the Sherman.
Yeah, when I saw how the Tiger's interior was designed I respected it a lot more. It is not the amazing weapon it was deemed to be, but it performed well for the situation it was placed in, even if that situation absolutely wrecked the tank due to attrition.
I remember someone at the tank museum comparing the Tiger driver to the T-34 driver, at the end of a day at Tankfest the Tiger driver felt great after driving around all day shifting with one finger. While the T-34 driver was worn out and sore after using a sledgehammer to shift gears all day.
That's the issue with looking at equipment purely by the numbers. It's hard to quantify if a crew just hates existing in their vehicle, and if they do then they will not perform as well regardless of what the equipment has the capacities for.
I mean if you have to just plop in for a drive.
Tiger and Sherman easily the best.
Maybe tiger more comfortable.
@@ALovelyBunchOfDragonballz as this video points out for lost tanks, numbers can be misleading. The method of coming up with numbers can vary immensely between sources.
Hi PigLazer.
I'm currently going through some rough times and i wanted to let you know that you put a smile on my face. I had some good fun talking with my friends about your video.
I can't guess at what has you feeling unwell (except the alcohol), but i can tell you that you're making some people's days better with your videos and while that may not change much for you, it changes a lot for me.
Thanks, sincerely, and keep showing me that, whenever i think i'm starting to consider all factors of any historical design, there's a thousand more i need to be aware of!
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Dude had so many problems while doing the t34 video and yet it still the best video I have seen about history I love your videos, positive vibes from America
He made a shocking amount of obvious mistakes, and made out the tank was total garbage right up to 1945 when it wasn't. He got crapped on a lot for it, even if the general idea of the video (generally a piece of crap that's not even good at being one) was right. He also failed in that video to show off just how bad everyones tanks were. The reason the sherman gets over praised wasn't because it was a god tank, but because it was a solid tank where almost everything was crap.
@@fearedjames Why does he need to specifically tell you all the other tanks were 1930s-40s tanks AKA barely functioning, that should be taken for granted. The video is about the T-34 so he will talk about T-34, simple as.
He attacked the idea of it being some soviet superweapon made of pure stalinium. If you have any actual examples of him being wrong do to me.
LazerPig is virtually the only content creator where I actually watch his sponsored segments because they are just that damn funny.
Cum town is pretty good
Squire is similar in that regard.
I hope they triple his fee for getting people to actually watch an add
Getting hit with the grahm pacer fitness test at 5:47 was definitely a surprise
Internet Historian started that I believe. Highly recommended!
I love how Lazerpig makes sponsorship sections of his videos worth watching
Could help boost sales of the advertised products if more youtubers did that, the only other guy that I have seen do this is Den of the Drake.
I'm not watching a 5 minute advertisement from anyone. Fuck that. Stop sucking his cock for wasting 15% of a fucking 30 minute run time on a game I uninstalled years ago because it got unfun.
@@Nuinwing Internet Historian is also legendary with his advertisement segments.
I skipped all 6 minute 20s of it. Awful.
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LazerPig puts more effort into the AD time than some creators do their main video. It's amazing and top tier. Oh yeah, the rest of the video was good too i guess.
They have your wife what but I’m not married sir you are now son to America
This should have more likes.
internet historian tier ad-based shitposting
the only ads i watch all the way through and actually enjoy.
Internet comment etiquette is another premier ad creator.
As a historian, everything in this video is wrong. Full disclosure: I have specialized in post war Japan, modern California, medieval Wales and everything I know about the Tiger tank I learned from Kelly's Heroes.
How is everything wrong in this video? Can you provide examples for things he gets wrong? (Legitimate question)
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@michividz7861 that is a joke post
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I really love the nuance of talking about the tank in multiple aspects and also how in actual wars, it's almost never just tank on tank combat. I also agree that much of what you're saying is fairly well covered, but honestly, I could probably watch you taking down the "Shermans were death traps" myth for a whole video and still be entertained. Love your work, I'm seriously always excited when a new video shows up and I keep rewatching your old stuff.
Great video as always. Was honored to see my best-performing video featured in a screenshot, and was glad I didn't get totally bodied in this video.
I'm a little busy with this war in Ukraine at the moment, but assuming I survive I'll definitely refer people to this video whenever I get around to continuing my anti-Wehraboo series.
I think you need to focus on dispelling misinformation about the Wehrmacht rather than trigger people that probably don't even watch your content. You think a Wehrb is gonna watch an anti-Wehrb video? it's like trying to convince a Tojoboo that the Empire he wanks to did nothing wrong.
Kozak- get back safe bro.
Godspeed, SK. You're doing good.
Come home safe and Slava Ukraini
Sad to hear you say that your videos aren't good. Good is definitely subjective and just because you're often very silly doesn't mean that you aren't knowledgeable or educational. Your videos are very good, you know your shit and I appreciate the absolute hell out of you, I'm genuinely excited whenever you post something. Also I hope you feel better.
A King Tiger could take out an Abrams if you droped it from orbit and the Abrams was not occupied.
The Tiger would also have to be dropped by a craft with advanced targeting software.
You know what else could do that? A rock.
On "superweapons" and "super-heavies", there's actually a fun little tactic that takes advantage of the effect described here, most famously known as the "distraction carnifex".
The namesake is a very tanky Tyranid unit in the WH40k tabletop, but it's broadly applicable to any big, scary unit in a game that's kitted out to survive for a while even while the opponent's entire army is focusing on it. In fact, it's the goal; since it's big and scary, the opponent can't afford not to focus on it, but by doing so, it allows for the rest of your units free reign on the battlefield, letting them encircle, flank, and grind down the enemy units, even if the distraction carnifex goes down in the process.
Of course, there's a huge difference between a game and real life, but I still find the concept quite amusing.
Intresting, essentially a little like the concept of a "fleet in being" like Yamamoto....atleast I think I'm using the phrase Fleet in Being (sometime force in being I have heard in more land context) accurately.
Navelly what your describe seems very accurate to this term.
In a similar scenario, the early(1790s+1830s, kinda to 1860s) US government in primarily used super frigates. They were very intresting themselves, almost lost track a wrote too much about them.
Essentially they were very similar to a modern day cruiser or in the past despite there size a 3rd or 2nd rate ship of the line.
(there size was larger then an average frigate closer to a 4th rate).
Any ways they america used a strategy of having 10 1st rates that way any country would have to send 20 of there own atleast, most countries had only 20 somthing 1st rates, besides Britian and France which would be open to invasion by the other.
This is more on a strategically and politically side of this concept but its interesting to me.
That’s an extremely expensive distraction ! plus not to mention you need soldiers willing to be okay with being specially targeted and pretty much knowing their gonna die. I get the tactic tho I’ve used it in videos games myself lmao and in theory would work but not in today modern combat. imagine the usa built a super carrier which housed around 15k people to run the ship and planes.. take that thing down and that’s a lot of people dying not to mention the cost to run that thing 😵💫 . As much as I would love huge super weapons I don’t think they are viable.. at least in today world ! I imagine when technology catches up and human population numbers increase we may start seeing huge planes carrying thousands of people around which in turns means huge military planes and vehicles
Heard of the V2?
@@lonemaus562 Well, the Tyranids get away with it because they can cheat. They're a hive mind whose approach to warfare runs the gamut from the aforementioned disteaftion Carnifex all the way down to smaller bug units considered so expendible that they're not even born with digestive systems because they're not expected to survive long enough for it to be relevant. So morale isn't really an issue for them. If the Carnifex is killed, as long as the Nids either win and/or recover the body, they just drag it back to a digrstion pool (or have ripper swarms devour it and then scurry back and leap into said pool), they can take the biomass and make another Carnifex realtively quickly.
To get a similar effect with a Human army, you'd probably need some sort of drone force.
I’m shocked to learn you had less than a thousand subscribers at the time of uploading the T-34 video! Even now it feels like you should be at 500K subscribers with how much quality content you put out.
He’s halfway there.
six minutes of ads i dont think he deserves it.
@@evil1143 I think his ads are hilarious, part of the charm of his channel.
@@Sinistar123 But at the end of the day it's still an ad.
@@evil1143 Yeah, as much as I would like ads to not be a thing the guy still has to make money off his work and ads are generally the way. At the very least he makes them entertaining and places them at the start so they're easy to skip rather than in the middle.
Good on you Lazerpig for outlining how the Germans recorded tank losses. Tikhistory was where I had first heard about that, and it's definitely something that needs to be better promulgated to the historically inclined.
Well that’s history in a nutshell the broad big picture is easy to understand.
But the deeper you delve into the details the more complicated and contradictory it gets, due to humans being well human ultimately emotional and irrational despite our best efforts.
"Any tank can take out any tank"
me and the boys riding the L3/33 about to take out the Challenger II
my dad told me when i was young "The tiger tank was the biggest, scariest, most powerful tank in the whole war! nothing could stop it! ...except the 15 sherman tanks right over the ridge waiting, cause we had a lot"
So? You think that what your dad said didn't had truth to it?
Patton's spellcard : 15 fucking Shermans
It blows my mind that this channel was tuning out videos like this, (Fucking legendary btw) while it was so small. It blows my mind even more just how fast this channel skyrocketed over the past year.
The Sherman was very reliable and was made in huge numbers. Also by the time the Allies landed in France, they able to repair knocked out tanks and send them back into combat.
Er so were the Germans.
@@lyndoncmp5751no, they weren't, constant aerial bombardment of factories, the tanks are overcomplicated it means that repairs are tedious and a pain, and the engine being...yeah also the lack of fuel
@@RandomFurry07
Yes they were. The Germans constantly repaired their tanks at the front and sent them back into combat in Normandy. The only real time they abandoned them was when the allies moved fast in August , before the Germans had the time to repair them. There's stacks of pictures of German armour being repaired and serviced in Normandy in June and July. The Germans lost few tanks to not being able to repair them in June and July including Tigers.
Where does this modern internet myth that the Germans couldn't repair their tanks at the front come from?
@@lyndoncmp5751 Likely do to the supply issues in Africa and the eastern front. The Russians were moving very fast. By D-day the USSR was already on German soil. By the time the non USSR allies entered Germany the Russians were knocking on the door of Berlin.
@@lyndoncmp5751 Sources?
Was the Tiger THAT good? NO
Is the Tiger REALLY cool? YES
the tiger is cool? Debatable.
@@lukaslee7380 L + Ratio
Tiger looks and sounds cool as heck. It’s name is cool too
@@digbee8543 You really just tried talking about ratios on comments that were just posted under a video that only came out mere hours ago.
Go back to Twitter
Yep, that about sums it up.
This just makes me think back to the empire in Star Wars and the death star. I know they were deliberately an influence, but the whole flaw of the super weapon carries quite nicely as well.
And then they put deathstar lasers on star destroyers... cause thats a thing now.. "portable" planet destroying weapons XD
Though the comparison is a bit lacking. The empire build its death star to subjugate and opress a galaxy it had allready defacto conquered. It was meant as a statement of absolute power to a galaxy that at that time was not able nor willing to fight back. Hadnt it been sabotaged by its very designer, chances are the rebellion would have fallen on yavin. Compare that to the nazi regime only starting to invest more and more time into wunderwaffen when the war had allready completly turned against them (and arguably allready lost) and their search for a "i win button" was more a thing of desperation and an increasingly insane leadership.
Not to mention: The deathstar actually worked XD
That is not a bad analogy. The Death Star has big problems, but it is still a big threat that, if nothing else, requires serious attention to take it out. The Tiger was not quite that powerful, but when left unattended could pull off a Villers-Bocage (it's telling that once the British got their shit together, Wittman's tank was disabled by a FUCKING 6-POUNDER). Unfortunately for the Tiger, the Allies had all kinds of things that could engage a Tiger, and it barely made a dent in the defense system.
Superweapons are always used incorrectly.
@@sonofeyeabovealleffoff5462 *cough*gundamfranchise*cough*
Lazerpig has one weapon not many other historian youtubers have, being able to admit they were wrong, or even a bad historian
His only weak spots hide vents and chutes which prevent any incoming fire from exploding up in his credibility...
@@_marlene I write my best odes to nonmaterial theoretical constructs in artillerist slang...
Lazerpig is the worst historian. Even he admits it!
The tiger was definitely one of the tanks of all time
Highest overall kill ratio of any tank of WW2 without doubt.
@@lyndoncmp5751 source?
@@leduckified1534
Schneider, Jentz, Wilbeck.
Sledgehammers: Strengths and Flaws of Tiger Tank Battalions in World War II by Wilbeck in particular goes into detail about kill totals. Wilbeck cites an overall 12:1 kill ratio in direct combat. This is the highest of any tank in WW2.
@@lyndoncmp5751 Wow that is very interesting Ill look into it. Thank you!
I mean, sure, excellent kill ratio, but low numbers, low reliability, and fighting on the defensive for most of its service life, these are all contributing factors.
It’s hard to beat the tiger’s kill ratio in a Sherman or T-34 because you’re on the offensive AND there are so many of you
The intro is "National Aerobic Championship USA 1988"
Between this and the Pepsi Man theme in the T-34 video, I'll always admire Lazerpig's ability to implement unrelated content and make it funny
THANK YOU. I just had to go out and find that video, because I remembered it vividly from memes and just the song being a thing, so I'm sure your comment helped others that didn't know as much of what to search for as I did.
As with all Lazerpig content, I will come for the information and stay for the snark, sarcasm, and wit! Thanks, Lazerpig!
That's a coincidence, I come for the snark and am sometimes impressed by the information and analysis.
Following the disource on the Tiger tank over the years is kind of like how your opinion of your parents changes over time. As children you love them and think that they're perfect, then as teenagers, you start to see all their flaws and maybe even hate them for their ideologies, and then as an adult, you see that they're human like the rest of us and that they're just doing the best that they can. Thanks for helping me to appreciate my first favorite tank again, LazerPig.
Tigers have the advantage that once you understand the process that created them, they make sense and did their specific job well in a vacuum. Every problem with them is homogenous to the existence of German Engineering Doctrine, and every problem with the doctrine they fulfill the task of is that same problem that ALL heavy tanks suffer from, which is the standard Logic Recursion Trap problem. Everyone in WW2 except the Japanese made the mistake of believing they would need a tank with the defensive characteristics of a static fortification, and the firepower of the Heavy Bombard artillery to attack and breach entrenched fortifications. Ignoring the fact that the Heavy Bombard is naturally well protected in the first place because its firing over the horizon and its primary payload is high explosive, and its Armor Piercing Shell is designed to work against antique battleships who are more capable of sustaining damage then any static fortification will be able to.
The Tiger is perhaps the singular well executed piece of German Engineering in WW2, but its resolving a question by Transitive induction. Transitive Induction is a great method of resolving problems in Math but in applied sciences and warfare it means you fail to account for all scenarios and considerations.
It is amazing how much smarter your parents become between your 18th and 25th birthday.
@@rembrandt972ify And how much you start to appreciate the design of their suspension, even if it is complicated and difficult to maintain sometimes... wait, what?
I think The Chieftain (yes, yes i know) put it best together about the Tiger: It was exelllent in what it was build for: a breakthrough tank, ment to be carted to the front, create a breakthrough for other forces to exploit and be carted back to the depot for maintenance. It was thren pressed repeatedly into roles it was not ment to serve as, mainly as main battle tank, and thats were it supposeded shortcommings showed. But still even in those roles it performed mostely remarkably wellas it still had decent armor, a big ol gun (though kind of an liability in very close quarters combat), and thanks to it's crewcomforts, mostely a 'joy' to drive around.
It was not though, the tank to end all tanks, or the thing that bankrupted the German Reich. It was a prettxy good tank overall, but it was not warwinning, there is no such thing as a warwinning tank.
Always thought that if the tiger had been built and developed in peace time may be allowing some if its issues to be solved it would have done much better
The best observation about the Tiger is from the chieftain, in that, it was a “breakthrough” tank. Meant to be advancing forward allowing the rest of the army/supply chain to follow and give it a break between advances. Germany didn’t do much breakthrough-ing and enemies don’t attack and then give your Tiger a break to do all it’s maintenance
exactly what people seem to not understand, the exhausting maintenace it needed after an attack was also taken in account when they were designing it, they expected it to waste so many resources
The Panzer Killers by Daniel Bolger is an excellent book written by a retired US Army Armored Division Commander about the 3rd Armored (Spearhead) division and it's commander Maurice Rose. It's a very good look into the every day engagements between the Americans and Germans. In the book, General Rose mentions that the only US tank that could go 1v1 with a Panther or Tiger at the end of the war was the Pershing, of which the 3rd Armored was given 16 (IIRC).
Good thing was is never fair, and so US tanks never were going 1v1 against the German big cats.
Did you
Did you even watch the video?
@@Pantsinabucket And considering that estimates are about 140ish Tigers on the western front (and as lazerpig pointed out correctly.. these numbers might be fastly overblown) meeting a tiger tank in the field might have been a genuine rarity for the allies... so yeah while in theory that 1v1 statement is most likely correct.. it has nothing to do with the reality of war
I just watched a 6 minute ad for World of Tanks. And loved every minute of it.
As always, the right amount of humor, showmanship and factual narrative...sprinkled with a healthy dose of commentary. It is great to have you back, we hope you can rest and get better. Thanks for enteraining and educating us, be well!
The German tiger tank is almost like the Japanese battleship Yamato. Both are huge, have big guns, lots of armor, and are fantasized to death because of how cool they are. But then they have many downsides which make them look useless and bad. Like fuel, speed, and the ever increasing obsolescence of both.
Just like how the tiger could be easily overwehlmed, the Yamato was very much overwehlmed by objects much smaller than it.
Yamato was built before the realisation of the carrier changing field of battle of which Japanese were the first to realise and master it
Yamato was the fastest Japanese battleship
Internal systems where not as sofisticated as British and American vessels, Japanese anti air is famous how shit was.
Yamato class is only battleship pushed to capacity of war machine of it type without stupid naval treaties limiting a ships weight.
It was just built at dawn of a new era the WW2 aircraft just getting started.
Heres how i know american ships are better: the yamato is a home for fish, and ours are turned into museums
Today's Western tanks are even heavier, and I doubt that any Allied tanker would call the Tiger "useless", and thought the Tiger could be "easily overwhelmed".
Yamato was of course a waste of money and ressources, but so was arguably the Iowas. The two biggest and baddest were also the most useless. At least the KGVs, Bismarcks, South Dakotas and North Carolinas did see some action against enemy capital ships.
@@TTTT-oc4eb Don't tell me my floating island of ultimate tomahawk distruction was a waste of money. What else were we supposed to mount our missiles to?
@@afriendofafriend5766 Well, USA could easily afford them, so why not. Japan in 1941 not so much. They are sexy, though. But even the politicians were shocked when they realised how much they cost, easily the most expensive battleships of all time.
They were pretty good in the rare instances where they weren't being repaired or cannibalized for parts.
The Tiger was a monster on the battlefield if everything went perfect and it was fresh out of the warehouse!
It was VERY good. When it worked and had proper logistics. Which was somewhat rare, especially rare later on.
@@John.McMillan Exactly, they just didn't have the parts nor the oil to make them operate the best they could.
Yep... The Tiger was a great tank. It was just built with the wrong industrial base. Now if it had been rolling off the line in Detroit and getting ammo, fuel and spare parts delivered by GMC Jimmies it would be a whole other story.
@@imperialus1 except that for the US to ship the thing would have been a nightmare.
One reason german tanks do get so big and heavy is that they don't need to do no shipping across the Oceans (all of them in case of the US).
the thing about the tiger 1 was that the demands kept being increased during the development in the 30's and the epic fail of porsches design and "meddling" in the project, the final design of the tiger 1 was merely a stepping stone to what would eventually be the king tiger, and the tiger was only supposed to be produced for 1-2 years with the german high command ordering another 400 units at the end of 1944 because of the issues with the production on the early king tiger turret (krupp turret, NOT PORSCHE)
Yeah, the gun was overkill by far. The mechanical issues cane out from pushing a 50+ton tank at a time that automotive components were largely developed and reliable for vics in the 30+ton range.
Getting thrown everywhere did not help the mechanical issues, and the tank units never got the chance to rest in between campaigns and wait for the next Breakthrough they were supposed to spearhead. In general, the assault tank concept was a limitation of the era, and it never quite materialized as envisioned.
@@AlphaAurora
The 88mm L/56 is hardly overkill. It was required to penetrate current and future threats. Which is exactly what it did pretty well.
You are my new favorite RUclips historian lazer pig! I fight serious depression frequently, you aren’t alone, and seeing what great content you still manage to produce, gives me some hope brother.
Around 11 minutes lazerpig either says he's a bad youtuber or he's looking for bad youtubers to watch. Just to let you know, if you're talking the first one, you're genuinely one of my favorite youtubers out there, and I look forward to whenever you upload. Literally a God tier youtuber.
There was an Abrams taken out in Iraq by a farmer with a Russian AT rifle with a lucky hit, obviously in a conventional environment absolutely not. But I’ve noticed as you said it’s trendy to say German tanks are trash. They weren’t as great as said in legends 😂 but they aren’t as bad as these same people say.
And the same people will say the T-34 is was fantastic. Which it absolutely wasn’t.
Love the channel and analysis btw
I mean you technically can take out any tank with a molotov thrown into crew compartment through an exit hatch, or, you know, destroy it through being stuck in deep mud (and exposes it to apex predator, the tractor)... people comparing "this can defeat this" in a vacuum are out of touch with reality which will always have its 20 rolls and rolled zeroes.
@@KasumiRINA yep, people like to treat this subject like it’s a war thunder lobby
Best world of tanks add on RUclips. Lazerpig deserves more sponsorships for his creative ad work. Truly a masterpiece in both film making and advertising
Neither a military nerd nor a trading card game player, but my husband is both, and this entire video is such a perfect accidental analogy for deck building that I have to send it to all our friends.
As an ex wehraboo(10 years ago) from Germany. I love your Channel.
Honestly it could have healed me if i had encountered it, way sooner i think.
And i just love your Music Selection every time.
Btw: I think the Tigerfibel was a great teaching tool for its time. Its literally made for children, they could understand how to use this tank.
Its a rare sight in an authoritarian state, that does not care about human loss and suffering.
Tigerfibel is written in an entertaining way. It contains hot women, so soldiers will actually bother to take a peek at the manual. The rhymes lead to better memorization.
As far as being made for children, remember that soldiers are often 18 to 20 years old.
It's so nice being a freedomboo because i will never have to change my mind, being the correct side is so easy
@@PeachDragon_ The USA has been the bad guy plenty of times.
@@knorze1777 freedomboos and wehraboos and similar boos are specifically tied to ww2 and have nothing to do with who was right or wrong, wehraboos aren't nazis for example, it's simply a matter of which nation's vehicles you prefer, nothing more nothing less, still i am glad you were able to vent your frustration with some American bashing, as is so popular nowadays, i'm sure the world would've been much better off with the USSR in charge, and i am also sure your country never did anything wrong ever and is an hedonistic paradise of understanding and knowledge.
The only bad thing about a LazerPig upload is knowing it's gonna be awhile before you get another
Lazerpig posts are always a warm welcome, like a friendly flamethrower
they're always breath taking
*starts to suffocate due to oxygen depletion*
I've only started watching your stuff recently, thanks to being recommended the T-14 Armata video and absolutely loving it, but this video is the one that can make me very confidently say that I'm a fan of your content. It gives the tank credit where it deserves it, while also noting its shortcomings, especially when said shortcomings are related to things which people usually cream their cargo jorts over like the main gun. The things which truly make a tank good, bad, or great seem to come down to things which the vast majority of people, even those with a genuine interest in history, don't know about, or don't care about if they do know because it's more interesting to imagine the bits that make the big sexy noises and blow stuff up.
Much to my eternal frustration, my brain almost works in the opposite way, where especially when I see something fictional my brain starts asking questions like "Where is the ammo stored?", "How much space does the crew have?", "How in God's name are they meant to see out of there with no optics!?" the kinds of things that probably nobody on the design team would have thought about for even a moment.
An excellent video!
I remember reading "Company Commander" by Charles B. Macdonald. He discussed his experience in the battle of the Bulge facing a German offensive, and seeing his supporting armour pulling out; they were concerned that they would be facing Tigers or Panthers, and the old 75mm Sherman wasn't built for that fight from the front. So they took off and left the infantry to fend for themselves.
As I recall, that chapter in the book was entitled "We run like hell". For obvious reasons.
It shows the psychological impact of Tigers and their animal cousins which were out of all proportion to the actual combat performance, which was creditable enough. But the mere possibility of facing tigers meant the allies would make changes like this they would never have done if they knew for a fact the opposition were Mark IIIs. It meant battles could be lost before they had started.
"Anyways, I`m very drunk" is one of the greatest endings to a video on youtube that i`ve seen for over 10 years.
Kudos to you, sexypig.
Thats why we watch your videos. Great and honest breakdowns of topics with more than one right answer.
Another incredible video, Lazerpig. I really enjoy the balance you try to bring to topics like this. I'd really love to see you do a video on the Sherman. I feel like we'd all learn a lot about it, for better and worse.
I second the request! Let's have a Sherman on either side of the scales and see if it's Atlanta burning or Custer's last stand!
I highly recommend reading the book "Death Traps." It's by an officer in a U.S. Heavy Tank Battalion, and the basis of most of the myths on the Sherman.
"But wait!", You might say. "HEAVY Tank Battalion? The Sherman was a Medium Tank!" Yes. And if people actually understood the book, his argument is not that the Sherman was bad- it is that U.S. tank doctrine refused to change with the realities of armored warfare, and the Sherman shouldn't have been the heaviest tank fielded.
Germany had the Tiger and Panther, Britain had the Matilda III and Churchill, the Soviets had the KV and IS series, and we... had Shermans, but with concrete, breaking their own suspensions. I highly recommend it. If you just skim through, you'll be convinced the Sherman was awful. If you actually READ it, you'll realize U.S. doctrine, unit placement, and procurement were awful, and the Sherman was just fine for its intended purpose.
14:49
Bro was so angry that he turned french
5 seconds into the video and it's clearly a classic.
32:58 "Both were designed to take advantage of exotic materials that Germany either had little or no access to."
Me262 moment
German late war design in a nutshell really.
Love you Lazerpig. Also love your videos. In fact I love your videos so much I wish they all were at least 4 hours long, even thou that would be unhealthy to the both of us. Wish you all the best.
I'm glad you touched on the fact that most conversations about the tiger are not actually done with a high degree of fairness.
Far too often I see it more phrased as "Anybody who has something bad to say is acting on the side of facts and logic, and anybody who has anything good to say is a dumb wehrb."
The Tiger was truly one of the tanks of all time.
I am glad you got another sponsor to help keep the content flowing. As always the fact you make the advertisement interesting is why I do not skip through it. Cheers and be well.
God, my days get so much better whenever Lazerpig uploads
18:37 bro really whipped out every puppy eyed excuse he could😂
Even if the round doesn't penetrate, the crew will still have, in the words of the chieftain, "a significant emotional event,".
Especially if your country is having problems acquiring all of the trace elements necessary in amounts to make good armour that doesn’t have shattering or spalling problems, seemingly at random.
LazerpPig's 4 different American accents were absolutely fantastic!
"I'm very drunk and also very unwell."
Me too LazerPig.
Me too.
One thing I do appreciate about the tiger is it's ease of use for the crew. There is something to be said for something that is comfortable, rides well , shoots well, shoots fast with driving controls that don't destroy your limbs after an hours use. Maintenance, well we can't have everything.
As Obi-wan kenobi said= "I felt a great disturbance in the Force, as if millions of Wehraboo's suddenly cried out in terror and were silenced. I fear Lazerpig has made a video about the Tiger tank"
I think the wehraboos will be more than happy as the video seems more favourable than not, as opposed to the narration present for a couple of years already.
As a Wehraboo I can say I’ve been thoroughly DESTROYED by facts and logic 😂 loved the video
-Posted from my Enigma Machine
PoV: you’re a German UBoat who forgot to burn your code books
@@snugglyhedgehog *ping...ping...ping...ping..ping..ping.ping.pingpingpingpingping*
Ah, so the Polish have already intercepted it
@@5peciesunkn0wn Oh Gott oh scheiße
@@5peciesunkn0wn "Give me one... ping... only..."
...I'm terribly sorry, I appear to have the wrong war. Could you point me in the direction of Polyarny Inlet?
19:45 Fortunately, there are one or two out there who buck the trend!
Wait a minute...
You've made several references to being unwell in your videos. I wish you a full recovery. Your potential on this and other platforms is huge.
In the future, battlebots alumni will be the most sought after by the MIC. Reliability, heavy hits, simple designs proving the most reliable, ect... sometimes all you need is a simple, well armored wedge that can flip vehicles that can't right themselves.
Battlebots doesn't allow guns or missiles so idk how accurate its "metagame" would be for IRL combat. It would be interesting to find out how it would change...
@@ENCHANTMEN_ BattleBots does allow guns now. Also flamethrowers.
You are such a wonderful Scottish Swine who manages to be both hilarious and educational in a way that makes me look forward to every new video you make. Keep up the great work
He doesn’t know any thing about the tiger…
@@allamericanchris429 He knows more than a thing or two, so you're wrong.
A tank piloting a helicopter is somehow still more realistic than an Aerogavin.
Lazerpig is one of the only people who can make an ad enjoyable
I love your work Mr Pig. It's all gold. I hope you're feeling better soon, mate.