Wouldn't another reason also be that most gyms set boulders up to 7b(+) because that's commercially more sound and leave the harder routes for these types of walls?
The sheer volume of hard bouldering in a single session is mind-blowing and so is how few attempts some of these seemed to have taken. Cool to see both athletes share a session, I'm sure this is also massively inspiring and helpful for Matt
Gotta give David Fitzgerald a call to come in and do the Lattice tests! I think he's around the area right now, Aidan mentioned on the Pod that he was going to be climbing in Ireland with him, that would have been just a couple weeks ago I think at most.
If you could find someone crazy enough, with a climbery build, I wonder how hard they could climb if you would let them train their fingers up to crazy strength (comparable to these mad lads) but never letting them actually climb. Also just.. onsighting these grades, on a system board. Wild.
How do Matt and Will's hang numbers compare to their active force production numbers? The gap can be pretty enormous; e.g. IIRC Alison Vest is obviously incredible at hanging, but far more normal when actively contracting. Would love to see if that explains why Aidan performs so relatively poorly at hangs, too.
15:50 I thought 8B was the top on the moonboard as well. Well, at least on the 2016 moonboard because you have black beauty which is 8B. Is the top different on the newer moonboards?
While this is impressive and probably really good training for finger strength, I can't help but think: deadpoint from a crimp, deadpoint from a pinch, deadpoint from a crimp, repeat. So rather specific and more of a training for pros, rather than the average Joe.
Who has the strongest WEIGHT ADJUSTED fingers interests me. Bosi would still be very elite. Matthew probably weighs 56kg. He is still very impressive, but he is a smaller climber.
Agreed. The Kilter dominates with big moves. We chose it because we thought it might be the most relatable. If people are psyched with board sessions we could consider round two on the Moonboard or even the historic School Room board.
Bosi is the best outdoor boulderer on the planet and he can't buy the biscuits he likes without thinking about money - can sponsorships maybe pay out more?!
Yeah agreed. We thought the Kilter would be more relatable to our wider audience. Would you watch another session on the Moonboard? That is where Matthew excels.
@@LatticeTraining I would love that! Sure, the Kilter is more approachable, but here in germany the Moonboard 2016-2019 is far more common. But than again, i would watch a board seassion with strong guys/girls every week. Let them loose on the wildest yellow holds you can find....where is aidan btw? :D
@@LatticeTraining I would definitely watch a Moonboard/schoolroom session. It is very relateable on the kilterboard though, that is true. For some of us the same applies on the moonboard, but maybe not your entire audience
@@LatticeTraining I think you find the gnarliest home woodie in Sheffield and let them loose on that! Might not be able to try the same problems but it will be clear that I don't know anyone who can get off the ground on holds those dudes can pull.
Lattice needs to get serious for once. I want to see you fly out monscogram/office worker and sponsor his training for 2 years, see what the real strongest fingers in the known universe can achieve.
they can achieve what he achieves rn i guess. Dont think that (especially) lattice would change anything on that. Just like Bosi would still be as good as he is without them.
@@whatever6874 sure.. but it could’ve been any other training company, coach or motivational person. That’s what I was saying. It’s kind of a „training the elite bias“ Iam not saying their training is particularly bad (I don’t think it’s outstandingly good either but that’s not the point) - but if you’re training heavy outliers like Mendes and Bosi the content and quality of the training doesn’t matter as much as you think. They just outperform and outresponse - to lit anything remotely useful for their progression. Monscogram falls into that category too. Idk if you know him but he’s insanely strong training by himself. Like at a high percentage of his and current human potential. If he got there training whatever he does now, lattice won’t change as much as the OP thinks. And they would’ve not changed as much if they had trained him from the beginning. He would be strong with them coaching him just as he is now without them. Kinda proves my point tbh
@@whatever6874 I guess my point question was: would will bosi as good as he is now if he climbed and trained without ever meeting the guys from lattice? Answer is probably: yes, some strength(climbing ability) fluctuations could be there but nothing really significant if you look at the big picture. If lattice motivated him to stay consistent or even pick up climbing, yes, they „made“ him to some extent. But less with their training formula and more with them getting him to do something (and as I said I literally mean to do anything). It’s not like they suddenly move the natural barrier of what every climber can achieve potentially with their superior training ability. Bosi had this (roughly) barrier to begin with - just as moonscam. Maybe Lattice pushed Bosi a little to move towards it, maybe he would’ve done it himself anyways. Moonscam did it himself. You get me?
@@Noneymar1 lattice said bosi was mediocre when he first started training. Also even if someone has elite genetics it is useless to talk about since you need to complete so much training to even start talking about genetic differences.
"Was it a fart or a pulley"
haha i vote
you genious!
No it's just Tom's voice 😂
I think the reason for the fewer ascents of the 7B+ is that In the V-grades 7B and 7B+ are both V8s.
More effort, equal grade. Ego = 🫠
That's why Vermin scale is inferior to Font scale
Wouldn't another reason also be that most gyms set boulders up to 7b(+) because that's commercially more sound and leave the harder routes for these types of walls?
Insane session
The sheer volume of hard bouldering in a single session is mind-blowing and so is how few attempts some of these seemed to have taken. Cool to see both athletes share a session, I'm sure this is also massively inspiring and helpful for Matt
Moonboard would be interesting to watch!
2016 set would be nice to see
Would it really 😂😂
@ashhodson2063 why you such a miserable cunt? All your comments are negative
Would be painfull to climb😂
Them: V6-V8 for warm up
Me: Takes a break walking up the stairs
"Grandma's Biscuits" or "insanely good biscuits" or "in general, too expensive to buy" - name of the new climb
Love you guys
Haha I’m loving Grandma’s Biscuits
Dude I’ve been a follower of Matt for so long so cool to see him get picked up by lattice 🙌
"Burden of Bosi"
Gotta give David Fitzgerald a call to come in and do the Lattice tests! I think he's around the area right now, Aidan mentioned on the Pod that he was going to be climbing in Ireland with him, that would have been just a couple weeks ago I think at most.
Second this!
He’s said to have insane strong fingers
Unknown #11
The campus-ing 11ish mins in. Unreal finger strength! 👏👏
5:00 Will Bosi skipping holds on your dream project
I think the best name would be the "Boss Men" as a combination of Bosi and Mendes names and as a celebration of how bossy this men are😂🎉
If you could find someone crazy enough, with a climbery build, I wonder how hard they could climb if you would let them train their fingers up to crazy strength (comparable to these mad lads) but never letting them actually climb.
Also just.. onsighting these grades, on a system board. Wild.
All other muscles involved, that's why these guys are shredded.
How do Matt and Will's hang numbers compare to their active force production numbers? The gap can be pretty enormous; e.g. IIRC Alison Vest is obviously incredible at hanging, but far more normal when actively contracting. Would love to see if that explains why Aidan performs so relatively poorly at hangs, too.
Biscuit interlude and review was money.
Biscuit Interlude would be a sick name for the climb they put up!
15:33 Will who just casually starts chatting after this hugee swing
Boulder name: "Fox's melts"
8:34 the sheriff was sick asf
Get these guys on the TB2!
I'd love that. But I am not sure we have one if the UK. Maybe London?
@@LatticeTraining Font Borough is getting one this autumn! I think Kendal Wall is getting one soon as well I think.
@@fishsticks248Kendal is getting one. Should be ready very soon. It's been installed and has most of the holds etc on it.
«Next one is good»
So nice to watch how beautifully Matthew climbs!
Have you tested the fingers of Yves Gravelle?
360x360 was set by one of the regulars at my gym, awesome to see a local setter!
love to see them crush the classics
The dog is enjoying with us, this climbing session with 2 legends in it! 🔥👏 (09:27)🐕
For "Crimps :)," that crux move is different than a barn door, innit? Seems more like a Saloon Door the way you hit it, Bosi.
"Saloon Door"?
"beans on toast"
Mind boggling strength from the Bosi bossman
You see? It IS possible to leave the shirt on in a climbing video. Well done guys!!!!
You've been watching too much Magnus!
never thought i'd see the day. well in matt
the boulder looked like death crimping everything
the fact he is stopping and watching to the camera casually like if it was a v2 haha but it's a v13💀(15:35)
Hi, could you share Matthew's test datas?
The thumbnail makes it look like Will Bosi has medium finger strength. RIP me.
15:50 I thought 8B was the top on the moonboard as well. Well, at least on the 2016 moonboard because you have black beauty which is 8B. Is the top different on the newer moonboards?
There are 8Bs but very few climbs go above 8A, even fewer above 8A+. Just sandbaggery
what af ucking insane session…
Why has nobody recommended "Crimpy McCrimpface" yet?
>testing strongest fingers
>kilter original
"Burdened by Drams"
This Bosi guy seems good on a board. Has he done anything outside? :)
Have they tested Megos's fingers?
what angle was the board?
looks like minus infinity
It's 50 degrees, you can check on the app, hand torch has a different grade for every angle
"Biscuit interlude"
Will. I think more people climbed 7c than 7b+ is cause in V-scale 7b+ and 7b are both V8 so people were less intrigued to try those "harder V8s"
His forearms are bigger than his arms, that's really cool.
Wanna see Aidan Roberts on the last two climbs Will and Matt made up!
"Do You Even Crimp?"
"Finger Massacre"
The name seems to describe the boulder pretty well.
Very impressive finger strength to hold those tiny holds at such a steep angle.
3.5hrs on a board is crazy...
"let your fingers dance"
'The Broken Ladder'
What's the wall angle?
50
Sheriff was neat!But I suppose it is easy to avoid the sheriffmove all together?
Grab Aiden next time as well!!
Will skipping a hold on a v9 problem is crazyy 5:00
I like the name Crimp Walk
"Micro Peter"
24 mins? rent is due bois
Did Bosi really say "unkown hashtag 10" instead of "unkown number 10"??? What an absolute zoomer lmao.
Call it will Mendes. Sounds like some pop singer 😂
If you still need a name 'anythings Bosi-ble'
Boulder name: Great Cornholio
No related but there is a top Russian arm wrestler called Georgy Tautiev that looks exactly like Will Bosi haha
While this is impressive and probably really good training for finger strength, I can't help but think: deadpoint from a crimp, deadpoint from a pinch, deadpoint from a crimp, repeat.
So rather specific and more of a training for pros, rather than the average Joe.
Steep board training is great for strengthening the average Joe as well. You just do the V3 instead of the V13
I love Will Bosi!
They have the strongest fingers in the world, so lets put them on a board without any real crimps.
is it true that he started climbing like 2 years ago? wtf
What?!
yeah it is started climbing with him and from the start was a natural
please make will try Jellyfish
Crimpy Mc'Crimpface
Who has the strongest WEIGHT ADJUSTED fingers interests me. Bosi would still be very elite. Matthew probably weighs 56kg. He is still very impressive, but he is a smaller climber.
And that's why wills goes to iceland
Literally any other board would make more sense if one guy is 1,68m
Agreed. The Kilter dominates with big moves. We chose it because we thought it might be the most relatable. If people are psyched with board sessions we could consider round two on the Moonboard or even the historic School Room board.
@@LatticeTraining School room would be mega! Have them try Aidan's new school boulders on there. Think they have both done the classics
bosi is savage
10:12 frozen people on the slab in the background. Green screen 😂
Bosi is the best outdoor boulderer on the planet and he can't buy the biscuits he likes without thinking about money - can sponsorships maybe pay out more?!
"3 finger pinch"
Splaremo watching this 👁️👃👁️
That is disgusting! Now let's get them on a moonboard!
Test the strongest fingers in the least finger limited board out there ...
Yeah agreed. We thought the Kilter would be more relatable to our wider audience. Would you watch another session on the Moonboard? That is where Matthew excels.
@@LatticeTraining I would love that! Sure, the Kilter is more approachable, but here in germany the Moonboard 2016-2019 is far more common. But than again, i would watch a board seassion with strong guys/girls every week. Let them loose on the wildest yellow holds you can find....where is aidan btw? :D
@@Miura.Powers Aidan is on a boat somewhere in the Atlantic! ⛵
@@LatticeTraining I would definitely watch a Moonboard/schoolroom session. It is very relateable on the kilterboard though, that is true. For some of us the same applies on the moonboard, but maybe not your entire audience
@@LatticeTraining I think you find the gnarliest home woodie in Sheffield and let them loose on that! Might not be able to try the same problems but it will be clear that I don't know anyone who can get off the ground on holds those dudes can pull.
Should be worth noting Matt has been climbing like 2 years and has stronger fingers than one of the best climbers in the world….
Source?
Glimpse crimps with no links
Cookies 😊
😎
Pinky Force.
surely it has to be climby mcclimbface?
Crimp & limp
Crimp fest
Sendy McSendface
A classic but strong suggestion 👁👄👁
I’m merely an advocate for the good people of the internet ❤️
Lattice needs to get serious for once. I want to see you fly out monscogram/office worker and sponsor his training for 2 years, see what the real strongest fingers in the known universe can achieve.
they can achieve what he achieves rn i guess. Dont think that (especially) lattice would change anything on that. Just like Bosi would still be as good as he is without them.
@@Noneymar1No, lattice made bosi.
@@whatever6874 sure.. but it could’ve been any other training company, coach or motivational person. That’s what I was saying. It’s kind of a „training the elite bias“
Iam not saying their training is particularly bad (I don’t think it’s outstandingly good either but that’s not the point) - but if you’re training heavy outliers like Mendes and Bosi the content and quality of the training doesn’t matter as much as you think. They just outperform and outresponse - to lit anything remotely useful for their progression. Monscogram falls into that category too. Idk if you know him but he’s insanely strong training by himself. Like at a high percentage of his and current human potential. If he got there training whatever he does now, lattice won’t change as much as the OP thinks. And they would’ve not changed as much if they had trained him from the beginning. He would be strong with them coaching him just as he is now without them. Kinda proves my point tbh
@@whatever6874 I guess my point question was: would will bosi as good as he is now if he climbed and trained without ever meeting the guys from lattice? Answer is probably: yes, some strength(climbing ability) fluctuations could be there but nothing really significant if you look at the big picture. If lattice motivated him to stay consistent or even pick up climbing, yes, they „made“ him to some extent. But less with their training formula and more with them getting him to do something (and as I said I literally mean to do anything). It’s not like they suddenly move the natural barrier of what every climber can achieve potentially with their superior training ability. Bosi had this (roughly) barrier to begin with - just as moonscam. Maybe Lattice pushed Bosi a little to move towards it, maybe he would’ve done it himself anyways. Moonscam did it himself. You get me?
@@Noneymar1 lattice said bosi was mediocre when he first started training. Also even if someone has elite genetics it is useless to talk about since you need to complete so much training to even start talking about genetic differences.
Matt Will Mend Bosi!?
"Lettuce and Shrimps" sounds like an appropriate name for this foodblog series?🫣