As always, great video! A beautiful dive, and some some beautiful diving as well; it's great to see skilled divers who are quiet in the water and taking care not to disturb their surroundings.
IDCS96982: I love diving n Micronesia, the best dive sites of the world. Unfortunately our boat left Micronesia, so I won't be diving there for another 2-3 years. You should go and dive the wrecks of Chuuk, I'm sure you will get so excited that you will be touching all bullets /steering wheels non-stop! (lol)
IDCS96982: if you could only see what GUE instructors are doing, they are filming nice videos with just one hand while they are teaching.. very impressive!
IDCS96982: There is no reason to worry for that. These divers are the best divers and the MOST FRIENDLY to the uw environment. They pick up bullets and put it back without actualy TOUCHING the wreck (pay close attentin)and the reef.
IDCS96982: #1These wrecks are not the graves anymore, Japanese have recovered the remains of those who died in early 90s if I not earlier. The artifact on the wreck are exposed to the divers, i.e. there are put on the special places where the divers can touch see them and touch them without causing damage to marine life, have you dived in Chuuk?
IDCS96982: Well, the locals are happy to see divers getting there, especially the divers who are trained as GUE divers (GUE trains divers to become "explorers")meaning these divers are fully capable for working at archelogical dive sites. BTW we are close friends with the Governor of Chuuk.
IDCS96982:#3 And the last thing is: of these wrecks were somehow considered to be the "grave yards" or they had any significance as archeological dive sites they would be closed for general diving.
IDCS96982: #2 If you dived the wrecks of Chuuk you should know the laws and regulations there. You can touch everything that's exposed. (of course you are not allowed to remove anything from the wreck) As far as the "divers" in general are concerned, the divers in the video are GUE trained divers. We met like 40 O/W divers there who are breaking the corals, and damaging the wrecks grabbing everything they see on their way trying to control their buoyancy.
IDCS96982: That's the whole point! We DO NOT REMOVE artifacts, we document it (video, still photo) and then we put it back into its place, not in our "wewt suit pocket" (lol) however I know many divers who do that...
IDCS96982:#4 For this reason the GUE (or DIR) divers are tought to dive reefs and wrecks in a "cave diving manner" horizontal position, perfect buoyancy and precise fin kicking tecniques that allow them to explore reefs, wrecks or caves closely without physically damaging the enviorenment they are diving. Physical damage doesn't mean you can't physically "touch" an artifact if you are willingly doing it and you understand that by touching these things you do not harm an u/w environment.
IDCS96982:#7 And the last thing: if you see any divers, no matter GUE/DIR or not, that are not breaking the corals, not destroying the artifacts, not creating a mess at the dive site but rather exploring it whether it's a "WWII grave yeard or not", please know they are doing NO wrong.
IDCS96982: #4 I would definetely pick it up and film it) but I hate for e.g. people touching stallictites, obviously there is no need to do that. As I said before a lot of artifacts (like tons of bullets) are covered with silt or getting rusty, there is no harm to dig them out, clean them and PUT them BACK to its place, that's very important.
IDCS96982: #3 I reassure you there is nothing wrong with the bullets to be digged out of the silt or the car wheel, since neither these bullets nor the wheel had any coral growings on top of it. E.g. there are a lot fo car wheels that became a part of a coral reef, we didn't touch them, nor we "digged them out " That's a huge difference. I don't touch anything in a cave (well unless I found an ancient artifact,
IDCS96982:#2 E.g. Sankisan maru has got like 30 cm of silt covering a lot of artifacts under it. And there is no way you can see these artifacts until you find them and clean them of the silt. If you leave these artifact "untouched", - there will be nothing to see in regards of WWII artifacts.
IDCS96982: #1There are a lot of dive sites (I mean wrecks) in the world where the aritifacts are "displayed", e.g. "Saratoga" aircraft carrier and other wrecks in Bikini (Marshall islands) I personally don't think that diving these is "less interesting". Chuuk wrecks have some items "exposed" (mostly for O/W divers with limited bottom time) but there are a lot of artifacts under the silt inside the wrecks.
IDCS96982:#9 BTW, there is a speculation that cenotes in Mexico were used as a site for human sarifices and burial, thus could be considered to be ancient "grave-yards", does it mean they shouldn't be disturbed? (i.e. not dived at all?)
IDCS96982:#3 DIR is a dive philosophy that includes standard gear, gases, unified team work , environmental awareness. The main principle of DIR diver is diving safe. The major principle of GUE diver is safe u/w/ exploration, while protecting and preserving the enviorenment u/w world.
IDCS96982: We are going to be in Bahamas in the end of summer or the beginning of September, I would like to dive the caves there, I need to have a full cave course dive training...
IDCS96982: That's good news, I hope their GUE "masters" will demonstrate their best skills to you! Are you based in Mexico (like have a permanent residence there?)
IDCS96982: Sure I know GUE is 10 years old! I agree with you, it ultiately depends upon an individual what they do with their skills. E.g. J. Cousteau was the most "careless" diver in regards of his "wreck exploration".
IDCS96982: Well, as I said DIR is not a "training agency" (i.e. GUE and others)it's a state of "consciousness". PADI and IANTD no doubts train divers to be safe in the water. GUE trains divers up to the level of perfect performance not only for their safety but for the sake of fragile u/w world, that's a very significant difference.
IDCS96982: PADI and others are NOT training "crap", no way! They are just trained very differently, i.e. to dive in OW, they are not wel trained to dive in overhead environments.
IDCS96982: Video is one of the greatest advantages of GUE dive training. Actually the stability is all about the body position, I can shoot the same video (I mean in regards of "stability", I'll definitely screw up the w/b colours and composition, also I can't use iris." but generally I can hold the camera and move smoothly.
IDCS96982: Oh, no! Please don't be jealous, if I knew you would like to go thre, I would invite you to go diving with us, you can still go to dive with their local dive shop (they have the diver's lodge) from march to August - is the best time...
IDCS96982: #2 GUE is an "answer" if you want to go into serious diving-exploration, they call it "agressive diving", I don't think that any OW diver who dives withitn recretional limitis and in open water should be "GUE trained", but I would recommend them to be trained with GUE (to take the Fundamental course) anyway.
IDCS96982:#5 If you look at my video you will see that none of the divers are holding any part of the wreck, coral reef or wreck's artifact to "sustain their buoyancy", we neither break the aritifact, nor we destroy them or treat them carelessly, we clean them of silt (not of the coral growing on them) and that's the part of any wreck exploration dive, especially when it's being documented (still photos, video camera)
IDCS96982: That's absolutely correct, but for the most of people Japan and Italy were fighting on Nazi's side, thus they "agreed with its polics" of mass murdering. No matter what Japan or Italy "wanted" from WWII and who they killed and how, it's moreimportant who they supported and the fact is: they supported Germany.
IDCS96982:#2 I personally don't see any difference between "ritual murder" and "mass murder". The WWI wrecks are opened dive sites and any certified diver can dive these wrecks. Like cenotes are opened for all cave divers not only for DIR-Mexico.
IDCS96982: Is your grandfather Japanese?? I love German, Italian and Japanese people and I think there is nothing wrong with them, we all did mistakes (like I am Russian and we had 70 years of "communism") in our country.
IDCS96982: Yes, you can becomea wreck diver or cavern diver with other agencies, you won't be as good as a GUE diver, but that's fairly OK. It all depends on the environment you dive.
IDCS96982:#7 Otherwise why you don't mind archeological excavations lets say at Giza Plateau digging the mummies out of the ground? Isn't that "a grave yard" of Pharaohs that shouldn't be disturbed? (lol)
IDCS96982:#2 That's the difference between the WWII wrecks and let's say cenotes. If these wrecks of Chuuk will be ever protected (and I hope they will protect them from " mass diving one day! These wrecks are the most beautiful in the world! ) that will be done for environmental and cultarul reasons (precise coral reef, war artifacts) then any "respect" to the remains of Nazi.
IDCS96982:#3 GUE is teaching you something you are not taught in PADI OW, i.e. great diving skills and techniques. Look at the cameraman's work in any of my latest "wreck videos" tyou see how stable they are? An I promise you they neither kneel at the bottom, nor they grab the coral ref to "become stable".
IDCS96982 : Well, what ideology Japanese were "following" when they attacked Pearl Harbour? When they sand Allies ships near Malta, Italy and Tunisia? Japanese TV doesn't like to show any documentaries about them taking part in WWII. They are sorry they took part in it...
IDCS96982: But I must tell you one thing regarding the WWII and media business, people do remember who "was right and who was wrong". Nazists were the war criminals. They initiated that war, right? Italy and Japan joined Axis. (Hitler's pact) and they fought against Allies.
IDCS96982: Well, I don't think the IIWW could be related to a mass murder for "political, ethnical or religious belief" . That was a WAR. " A la guerre comme a la guerre!" The wrecks in Chuuk are Japanese (aka Nazi) wrecks, I don't think that they will ever become protected mass "grave yards" or their will be any monuments dedicated to the "brave" Japanese soldiers of Axis destroying the ships of Allies and killing their people.
IDCS96982 : E.g. US navy sank the Japanese Royal Fleet in the Surigao Straits (Philippines) gulf of Lyete. Is American audience interested in the "history of these Japanese wrecks"? No way. They think: the more Nazi died, - the better. Even now.
As always, great video! A beautiful dive, and some some beautiful diving as well; it's great to see skilled divers who are quiet in the water and taking care not to disturb their surroundings.
IDCS96982: I love diving n Micronesia, the best dive sites of the world. Unfortunately our boat left Micronesia, so I won't be diving there for another 2-3 years. You should go and dive the wrecks of Chuuk, I'm sure you will get so excited that you will be touching all bullets /steering wheels non-stop! (lol)
IDCS96982: if you could only see what GUE instructors are doing, they are filming nice videos with just one hand while they are teaching.. very impressive!
IDCS96982: There is no reason to worry for that. These divers are the best divers and the MOST FRIENDLY to the uw environment. They pick up bullets and put it back without actualy TOUCHING the wreck (pay close attentin)and the reef.
Nice video...congratulations!
Adair
IDCS96982: #1These wrecks are not the graves anymore, Japanese have recovered the remains of those who died in early 90s if I not earlier. The artifact on the wreck are exposed to the divers, i.e. there are put on the special places where the divers can touch see them and touch them without causing damage to marine life, have you dived in Chuuk?
IDCS96982: Well, the locals are happy to see divers getting there, especially the divers who are trained as GUE divers (GUE trains divers to become "explorers")meaning these divers are fully capable for working at archelogical dive sites. BTW we are close friends with the Governor of Chuuk.
IDCS96982:#3 And the last thing is: of these wrecks were somehow considered to be the "grave yards" or they had any significance as archeological dive sites they would be closed for general diving.
IDCS96982: #2 If you dived the wrecks of Chuuk you should know the laws and regulations there. You can touch everything that's exposed. (of course you are not allowed to remove anything from the wreck) As far as the "divers" in general are concerned, the divers in the video are GUE trained divers. We met like 40 O/W divers there who are breaking the corals, and damaging the wrecks grabbing everything they see on their way trying to control their buoyancy.
IDCS96982: That's the whole point! We DO NOT REMOVE artifacts, we document it (video, still photo) and then we put it back into its place, not in our "wewt suit pocket" (lol) however I know many divers who do that...
IDCS96982:#4 For this reason the GUE (or DIR) divers are tought to dive reefs and wrecks in a "cave diving manner" horizontal position, perfect buoyancy and precise fin kicking tecniques that allow them to explore reefs, wrecks or caves closely without physically damaging the enviorenment they are diving. Physical damage doesn't mean you can't physically "touch" an artifact if you are willingly doing it and you understand that by touching these things you do not harm an u/w environment.
scubazmei: There are about 60 wrecks in Chuuk and yes, some of them are pretty deep from 47-90 meters...
IDCS96982:#7 And the last thing: if you see any divers, no matter GUE/DIR or not, that are not breaking the corals, not destroying the artifacts, not creating a mess at the dive site but rather exploring it whether it's a "WWII grave yeard or not", please know they are doing NO wrong.
IDCS96982: #4 I would definetely pick it up and film it) but I hate for e.g. people touching stallictites, obviously there is no need to do that. As I said before a lot of artifacts (like tons of bullets) are covered with silt or getting rusty, there is no harm to dig them out, clean them and PUT them BACK to its place, that's very important.
IDCS96982: #3 I reassure you there is nothing wrong with the bullets to be digged out of the silt or the car wheel, since neither these bullets nor the wheel had any coral growings on top of it. E.g. there are a lot fo car wheels that became a part of a coral reef, we didn't touch them, nor we "digged them out " That's a huge difference. I don't touch anything in a cave (well unless I found an ancient artifact,
IDCS96982:#2 E.g. Sankisan maru has got like 30 cm of silt covering a lot of artifacts under it. And there is no way you can see these artifacts until you find them and clean them of the silt. If you leave these artifact "untouched", - there will be nothing to see in regards of WWII artifacts.
IDCS96982: #1There are a lot of dive sites (I mean wrecks) in the world where the aritifacts are "displayed", e.g. "Saratoga" aircraft carrier and other wrecks in Bikini (Marshall islands) I personally don't think that diving these is "less interesting". Chuuk wrecks have some items "exposed" (mostly for O/W divers with limited bottom time) but there are a lot of artifacts under the silt inside the wrecks.
IDCS96982:#9 BTW, there is a speculation that cenotes in Mexico were used as a site for human sarifices and burial, thus could be considered to be ancient "grave-yards", does it mean they shouldn't be disturbed? (i.e. not dived at all?)
IDCS96982:#3 DIR is a dive philosophy that includes standard gear, gases, unified team work , environmental awareness. The main principle of DIR diver is diving safe. The major principle of GUE diver is safe u/w/ exploration, while protecting and preserving the enviorenment u/w world.
IDCS96982: We are going to be in Bahamas in the end of summer or the beginning of September, I would like to dive the caves there, I need to have a full cave course dive training...
IDCS96982: That's good news, I hope their GUE "masters" will demonstrate their best skills to you! Are you based in Mexico (like have a permanent residence there?)
IDCS96982: Sure I know GUE is 10 years old! I agree with you, it ultiately depends upon an individual what they do with their skills. E.g. J. Cousteau was the most "careless" diver in regards of his "wreck exploration".
@divingauz: Thank you, you made my day. Honestly, no kidding.
IDCS96982: Well, as I said DIR is not a "training agency" (i.e. GUE and others)it's a state of "consciousness". PADI and IANTD no doubts train divers to be safe in the water. GUE trains divers up to the level of perfect performance not only for their safety but for the sake of fragile u/w world, that's a very significant difference.
IDCS96982: PADI and others are NOT training "crap", no way! They are just trained very differently, i.e. to dive in OW, they are not wel trained to dive in overhead environments.
IDCS96982: Video is one of the greatest advantages of GUE dive training. Actually the stability is all about the body position, I can shoot the same video (I mean in regards of "stability", I'll definitely screw up the w/b colours and composition, also I can't use iris." but generally I can hold the camera and move smoothly.
AdairRibeiroJr : Thank you very much, you need to watch video in high res though, it's available on my facebook, much better quality!
IDCS96982 : about PADI DIR: what exactly this project all about? Will there be DIR instructors involved, what kind of dive classes PADI would offer?
IDCS96982: Oh, no! Please don't be jealous, if I knew you would like to go thre, I would invite you to go diving with us, you can still go to dive with their local dive shop (they have the diver's lodge) from march to August - is the best time...
Some of the shipwrecks are too deep for recreational divers for instance nippo maru or san francisko maru;
IDCS96982: #2 GUE is an "answer" if you want to go into serious diving-exploration, they call it "agressive diving", I don't think that any OW diver who dives withitn recretional limitis and in open water should be "GUE trained", but I would recommend them to be trained with GUE (to take the Fundamental course) anyway.
IDCS96982:#5 If you look at my video you will see that none of the divers are holding any part of the wreck, coral reef or wreck's artifact to "sustain their buoyancy", we neither break the aritifact, nor we destroy them or treat them carelessly, we clean them of silt (not of the coral growing on them) and that's the part of any wreck exploration dive, especially when it's being documented (still photos, video camera)
IDCS96982: That's absolutely correct, but for the most of people Japan and Italy were fighting on Nazi's side, thus they "agreed with its polics" of mass murdering. No matter what Japan or Italy "wanted" from WWII and who they killed and how, it's moreimportant who they supported and the fact is: they supported Germany.
IDCS96982:#2 I personally don't see any difference between "ritual murder" and "mass murder". The WWI wrecks are opened dive sites and any certified diver can dive these wrecks. Like cenotes are opened for all cave divers not only for DIR-Mexico.
nuno3218: Thanks a lot, my dear Friend!
IDCS96982: I can only greet PADI DIR divers, I would be very happy fif PADI has its DIR "wing" That could be amazing if PADI adopted the DIR system.
IDCS96982: Is your grandfather Japanese?? I love German, Italian and Japanese people and I think there is nothing wrong with them, we all did mistakes (like I am Russian and we had 70 years of "communism") in our country.
IDCS96982: Yes, you can becomea wreck diver or cavern diver with other agencies, you won't be as good as a GUE diver, but that's fairly OK. It all depends on the environment you dive.
IDCS96982:#7 Otherwise why you don't mind archeological excavations lets say at Giza Plateau digging the mummies out of the ground? Isn't that "a grave yard" of Pharaohs that shouldn't be disturbed? (lol)
IDCS96982:#2 That's the difference between the WWII wrecks and let's say cenotes. If these wrecks of Chuuk will be ever protected (and I hope they will protect them from "
mass diving one day! These wrecks are the most beautiful in the world! ) that will be done for environmental and cultarul reasons (precise coral reef, war artifacts) then any "respect" to the remains of Nazi.
IDCS96982: what skills do you teach?
IDCS96982:#3 GUE is teaching you something you are not taught in PADI OW, i.e. great diving skills and techniques. Look at the cameraman's work in any of my latest "wreck videos" tyou see how stable they are? An I promise you they neither kneel at the bottom, nor they grab the coral ref to "become stable".
IDCS96982 : Well, what ideology Japanese were "following" when they attacked Pearl Harbour? When they sand Allies ships near Malta, Italy and Tunisia? Japanese TV doesn't like to show any documentaries about them taking part in WWII. They are sorry they took part in it...
IDCS96982: But I must tell you one thing regarding the WWII and media business, people do remember who "was right and who was wrong". Nazists were the war criminals. They initiated that war, right? Italy and Japan joined Axis. (Hitler's pact) and they fought against Allies.
IDCS96982: Well, I don't think the IIWW could be related to a mass murder for "political, ethnical or religious belief" . That was a WAR. " A la guerre comme a la guerre!" The wrecks in Chuuk are Japanese (aka Nazi) wrecks, I don't think that they will ever become protected mass "grave yards" or their will be any monuments dedicated to the "brave" Japanese soldiers of Axis destroying the ships of Allies and killing their people.
IDCS96982 : E.g. US navy sank the Japanese Royal Fleet in the Surigao Straits (Philippines) gulf of Lyete. Is American audience interested in the "history of these Japanese wrecks"? No way. They think: the more Nazi died, - the better. Even now.
is it japanees from ww2
the name sounds nip