The last engineer that recorded me acoustic, used 2 SE VR2's about 12 inches in front of the sound hole, in a blumlein setup (1st one 45 degrees towards the neck joint, 2nd one 45 degrees towards the bridge) He then got me to tap the bridge and notched out a few resonant frequencies using pro Q3. I've tried this similar approach at home and it seems to work great, even with putting the mics in front of the sound hole sounding like something only a madman would do. The way you describe the brightness and darkness of the mic positions is great and very clear.
Please make videos like this about vocal recording! You're the best RUclipsr about teaching recording techniques! Everything I learn from you can be used in many musical genres, not only metal. Thank you.
I've recorded myself on acoustic 1 time and this makes so much sense as to why the acoustic sits the way it does in the mix. It was a ton of high end information which worked out fine, but it wasn't at all what I envisioned at the start.
I got the best sound outta acoustic guitar by accident when I was producing and mixing one song. I felt there was one part that needed something so I doodled with acoustic guitar to add something to the part and just threw 8-patterned mic about 1,5 meters away from me to my right and that sounded so good and ended at the record as it was. :D It's hard to descripe in english how that placement worked but the end result sounded very organic and had just enough everything that part needed.
I'm more of that low end midst. I like putting an acoustic sound mixed with high gain on verse compositions. Saving this video for your course. Great info!
Just try to combine a pair of mics in postition 1 (in front of the 15th fret) and 3 (looking into the bridge) and try to play with the balance of both by one knob, you'll probably get an excellent result (also don't forget about phase correlations 😉)
My problem isn't an acoustic guitar, it's a dense mix. By the time I've fitted the acoustic guitar into a mix like that, it just turns into a shaker. The mic move is smart though, I dig that.
That often IS the function if a stunted acoustic guitar in a dense mix. Unless you wanna thin out the other instruments. But in the course I’m showing that with a bit of EQ you can also have a thicker acoustic guitar tone.
Thank you, very useful. I like to record with a stereo ZOOM recorder - it tricks my brain into feeling I'm in the room and I think it's pretty cool too. :)
1st of all can we take a moment to give big applause on Mr. Kohle's acoustic skill that was beautiful and outstanding, sir! also my fav. place are on 3rd place with helper on 1st position that you mention on this video (just trim down volume on 1st position too prevent make it too sharp on mix) and in past when i first time start doing acoustic recording i usually doing X/Y position. downside of it in my experience wrong 1 degree or a few cm phase issue appear and i almost though my mic was broken (i'm still starting out back then so didn't quite understand phase issue).
Thanks man! 🤘❤️ I’m also showing stereo miking techniques in the course. You’re absolutely right that it can be tricky when miking close. Both phase issues and issues with both channels sounding too different from each other
Great video! One more position I find useful is to aim the microphone at the point of body that is halfway down from sound hole to the lower edge, and half way from the soundhole to the edge in the fret direction. (I dont know how to put it better, but something like right breast of the guitar if it was a torso :D) This way I tend to get just enough of body and brightness without excessive boominess or left-hand noise :-)
I haven't watched this yet but I'm excited to start; it seems like a lot of people just have one technique they always default to so I'm curious to see what you think.
There's more than just one. Always depends on what you want. And on top of the mono miking techniques, there's stereo, and there are room mics. Lots of options!
The band is called Toona. They have a RUclips channel. But if you stay tuned to my channel, you’ll hear the full song soon. There will be a follow-up video.
Thanks man. That song is part of a vocal contest. Here’s the full making-of video of that song. You can also download it. Enjoy! RECORDING an full METAL SONG from start to finish! (and YOU can be my SINGER!) ruclips.net/video/gi6AiXvERmI/видео.html
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Really good. There is a lot to get right on an acoustic guitar, lots of great advice here. Ty!
@@williamtell1477 Thanks!
Yes, it's true....Kristian Kohle, man of metal, knows not only how to play acoustic but also how to record it beautifully! Bravo! Great video
Nice to hear that, buddy!
The last engineer that recorded me acoustic, used 2 SE VR2's about 12 inches in front of the sound hole, in a blumlein setup (1st one 45 degrees towards the neck joint, 2nd one 45 degrees towards the bridge) He then got me to tap the bridge and notched out a few resonant frequencies using pro Q3.
I've tried this similar approach at home and it seems to work great, even with putting the mics in front of the sound hole sounding like something only a madman would do.
The way you describe the brightness and darkness of the mic positions is great and very clear.
That can work because the figure-8 pattern of the VR2s will reject the sound coming from the sound hole.
Please make videos like this about vocal recording!
You're the best RUclipsr about teaching recording techniques! Everything I learn from you can be used in many musical genres, not only metal.
Thank you.
Thanks man!
There is a course about vocal efx in my academy but nothing about recording yet. Noted!
I've recorded myself on acoustic 1 time and this makes so much sense as to why the acoustic sits the way it does in the mix. It was a ton of high end information which worked out fine, but it wasn't at all what I envisioned at the start.
Do more videos like this. You are a good teacher
Thanks! There’s a whole academy packed with courses like this. 😇
I have a lot of mics and the 818 is a beast. SO worth it to grab a pair.
Absolutely!
I got the best sound outta acoustic guitar by accident when I was producing and mixing one song. I felt there was one part that needed something so I doodled with acoustic guitar to add something to the part and just threw 8-patterned mic about 1,5 meters away from me to my right and that sounded so good and ended at the record as it was. :D It's hard to descripe in english how that placement worked but the end result sounded very organic and had just enough everything that part needed.
Awesome tutorial 🎸
The first 11-12 seconds speak for itself
Goddamn...that recorded tone ❤
Fantastic tutorial, thanks a lot !
You’re welcome!
I was really waiting for you to talk about acoustic guitar recording! 🔥
And here I am 🪄
Si proud I am in your academy and have the Acustic course
Great to hear that! And great to have you. 🤘
I'm more of that low end midst. I like putting an acoustic sound mixed with high gain on verse compositions. Saving this video for your course. Great info!
Thanks man! 🤘
Just try to combine a pair of mics in postition 1 (in front of the 15th fret) and 3 (looking into the bridge) and try to play with the balance of both by one knob, you'll probably get an excellent result (also don't forget about phase correlations 😉)
This was so helpful! Thank you
Excellent!! I have been trying and this will help immensely!! Thank you!!
My problem isn't an acoustic guitar, it's a dense mix. By the time I've fitted the acoustic guitar into a mix like that, it just turns into a shaker. The mic move is smart though, I dig that.
That often IS the function if a stunted acoustic guitar in a dense mix. Unless you wanna thin out the other instruments. But in the course I’m showing that with a bit of EQ you can also have a thicker acoustic guitar tone.
Thanks for this video!
Enjoy!
Excellent, thanks!
Thank you, very useful. I like to record with a stereo ZOOM recorder - it tricks my brain into feeling I'm in the room and I think it's pretty cool too. :)
really useful... nice playing too
1st of all can we take a moment to give big applause on Mr. Kohle's acoustic skill
that was beautiful and outstanding, sir!
also my fav. place are on 3rd place with helper on 1st position that you mention on this video (just trim down volume on 1st position too prevent make it too sharp on mix)
and in past when i first time start doing acoustic recording i usually doing X/Y position.
downside of it in my experience wrong 1 degree or a few cm phase issue appear and i almost though my mic was broken (i'm still starting out back then so didn't quite understand phase issue).
Thanks man! 🤘❤️
I’m also showing stereo miking techniques in the course. You’re absolutely right that it can be tricky when miking close. Both phase issues and issues with both channels sounding too different from each other
Thanks. Very helpful
Great video! One more position I find useful is to aim the microphone at the point of body that is halfway down from sound hole to the lower edge, and half way from the soundhole to the edge in the fret direction. (I dont know how to put it better, but something like right breast of the guitar if it was a torso :D) This way I tend to get just enough of body and brightness without excessive boominess or left-hand noise :-)
I haven't watched this yet but I'm excited to start; it seems like a lot of people just have one technique they always default to so I'm curious to see what you think.
There's more than just one. Always depends on what you want. And on top of the mono miking techniques, there's stereo, and there are room mics. Lots of options!
RUclips has removed the quality of the audio again. So none of the frequencies and transients are coming through.
Great advice, thank you so much!
The song in the end of the video is really beautiful, what band is this? I would like to listen to them )
The band is called Toona. They have a RUclips channel. But if you stay tuned to my channel, you’ll hear the full song soon. There will be a follow-up video.
Thanks! I am subscribed to your channel, so looking forward to see a follow-up video )
I like the way you play the grandpa’s guitars
That’s because I’m almost a grand-pa!👴
@@KohleAudioKult looking pretty good for almost a grand-pa!
Very informative video! Curious do you go over using different types of mics like ribbons or dynamics?
Check out the course! It shows exactly that.
Thank you! But where can I get the full song that you show at 0:44? It's so nice!
Thanks man. That song is part of a vocal contest. Here’s the full making-of video of that song.
You can also download it. Enjoy!
RECORDING an full METAL SONG from start to finish! (and YOU can be my SINGER!)
ruclips.net/video/gi6AiXvERmI/видео.html
NEEDS MORE DISTORTION! 😃
🤘😇🤪
It's not my guitar that sucks - it is me at playing guitar
😂
Grandpa's Guitars.
You ams right: this am
This will be helpful for sure, thank you Kristian! Do these mic positions work the same with classical guitars or is there a difference?
It’s basically the same thing. You just might wanna have a different tone because of the darker, more midrangey character of the instrument
@@KohleAudioKult Excellent, thanks a lot!