A lot of the downfall of this era has been lack of pre-planning and the execs getting on the same page as the filmmakers. I’m talking in-depth and crafting the vision from the inside out, back to front. It got too hands off until it became over intrusive. A lot of these issues with Rogue One & Solo shouldn’t have happened three quarters of the way through production. They should’ve been dealt with far earlier.
Your 100% right. They obviously had done preplanning with the marvel movies and it worked. Why didn’t they do that with Star Wars? They wanted a quick money grab IMHO
I don't think Star Wars needs to be planned that meticulously. You just need talented people telling stories they're passionate about. My worst nightmare is Star Wars becoming Marvel and getting stale after 5 years. You have to respect Kathleen Kennedy's willingness to take chances on projects like Andor, Acolyte, and the Filoniverse. Solo rocked, she could have kept making A Star Wars Stories
Epic fail #1 - Not having a clearly defined vision for the over-arching storyline and character directions for the sequel trilogy. Scandalously arrogant treatment for such a deeply loved franchise.
I liked Solo, but I did feel like they had a checklist of iconic Han Solo Things they had to check off in the script. How does he meet Chewie? How does he get his blaster? How does he get his wardrobe? How does he meet Lando? How does he get the Falcon?
@@Bulletsandblockbusters I'd like to see some of it, just for fan service. But it was too much in one movie. I'd honestly have been fine if the Falcon wasn't even in the first movie, if this was supposed to be a trilogy.
I really wish they had hired that actor that played a young Harrison Ford in some other movie a few years ago. He's a pretty good actor, and actually looks and sounds like Ford. There's a video of him on RUclips doing a Ford impression, as i think he was angling for the role some years back. EDIT: Anthony Ingruber is the actor's name.
@Brian Yassem Which shows how dumb they are. It would have been a hell of a lot easier to accept Ingruber as Han than Alden. And wasn't Glover doing a Billy Dee impression?
They could have taken a Kelly's Heroes approach to storytelling, with Han being disaffected imperial soldier who was demoted for doing right thing, and was transferred to a demoralizing posting for his trouble were has to guard lute stolen by the empire, with Chewbacca being a slave he befriend. The heist resolves around Han and Chewie being the inside guys, beckett and crew being the ones conducting it, and Lando being the ringleader who funds and supplies whole thing and acts as Black market connection who will sells the good. Voss would be a crime lord who with connections to high ranking imperial officials who launders money from sold stolen lute on their behalf, and has been tasked by them to to get back their merchandise, and if he fails, he takes the fall. Think Guy Ritchie meets Kelly Heroes.
As much as I had fun with Howard’s film, would’ve loved to have seen Lord and Miller’s take. Definitely would’ve been more funny, maybe the most funniest Star Wars movie.
@@4Everlast But that's not what Star Wars is about Star Wars is meant to be a whole family movie - and I don't mean just "family friendly" as in it's okay for kids to watch, I mean it should be a unique experience for every age and maturity level It has to be funny and light and exciting to keep kids and teens engaged but also have overtones that you only catch as an adult and make it still interesting for them So yes, Star Wars has to be funny
@@4Everlast Really can't tell if that was sarcastic or not but either way I think you're right - people die, this is reality, and kids do need to know that. But there's no reason why you can't have death in a comedic film. Star Wars is one of the funniest film universes out there and people die in it all the time
The biggest issue with this film is it makes no sense. They spend the entire picture telling us that you don't betray driden vos only to have Woody betray him in the most ridiculous way at the most ridiculous time for no reason. It would have been so easily fixed. Just make woody angry with Dryden because of Val's death on the train job, and have the whole movie about him trying to get face to face with Dryden so he can kill him and get revenge. Very few changes need to happen. Have them not meet dryden until the end, have a few shots of Woody visibly upset about val's death and make it clear he wants revenge. The rest of the movie is pretty much the same. Such a shame
@@lieutenantlouie When he meets her she is working for dryden and basically trapped there, so he still has to get her freed. I don't think him meeting her halfway detracts from the plot it just changes her agency from the damsel in distress to an active member of the group with agency.
I wish Solo would of gotten released before the Last Jedi. I think it would of done much better. I think the characters created in Solo were much stronger than other Disney Star Wars movies.
I have said this many times... If not for Last Jedi, I think the Solo film would have done fine. Do I think Solo is a master piece, no, but it was enjoyable. However, I think Last Jedi was such a massive waste of a film that it turned off far too many fans, and as a result they did not give Solo the chance that it deserved.
Yeah, Disney’s biggest sin with Star Wars is trying to turn it into a constant money printer just like they’ve been doing with the marvel trash that’s been pumped out day after day since endgame. A brand new Star Wars movie 4 months after the last one?? We used to go years in between Star Wars trilogy movies and decades between trilogies. Combine that with the absolute mess that was the movie that immediately preceded it and Solo was set up for failure before it ever released. Which is infuriating because I find it better than any of the sequel trilogy, and Rogue One is one of my favorites of any Star Wars movie, so ditching the entire Star Wars Story movie promise as a result is just tragic.
Solo is the one film I really liked from Disney Star Wars (I also liked Rogue One, but not as much). Howard did something in Solo that is lacking in Rogue One, I cared about the characters. Howard has a unique style in that many of his films feel like a guilty pleasure, but he does a good job of focusing on the characters and that gives the movie heart. Solo harkens back to the Original Trilogy style where it’s just a fun movie and doesn’t take itself too seriously. When Star Wars try to be some grandiose story, I think it usually falls flat like The Prequels and The Last Jedi. I get it that Solo is not for everyone as there is no mention of the Force, but I enjoyed and it’s the one Disney film I’ll defend.
I enjoyed some of them in Solo but I cared about the characters a lot more in Rogue One personally, even with some of them not getting enough screentime, and was more affected by how things played out.
I think Solo is the most underrated Star Wars film. Alden Ehrenreich’s Han Solo is the best part of the film for me. As much as Ron Howard’s cut of the film is good as it is it would’ve been awesome to see Lord and Millers cut
Agree, I dont understand the hate, it COULD have been so much better quite easiliy, but at least it wasnt really BAD, like most Star Wars products have been. I just wish it would stop, there have now been more bad Star Wars productions than good ones, and its starting to tarnish the original trilogy.
I just watched this film for the first time 3 days ago and i couldn't agree more. I know people were really hard on Alden's performance, Some even wishing the studio had just done a CG de-aged Harrison Ford. And while I'm sure that would've been cool to see i don't think it would've really added much. Alden not only looked like Ford but sounded like him too. He did a really good job. Just wish the movie was better.
Lord and Miller are brilliant. Just look at Spider-Man: Across the Spider-Verse, The Lego Movie and yeah, 21 Jump Street. They're so fresh but also, nail imaginative action and get the best out of their actors. My most anticipated movie of 2024/25 is their adaptation of the Andy Weir novel Project Hail Mary. I predict it will be the best movie of whatever year it is released.
This was actually my favorite of the disney star wars movies. And most of the stuff I like turns out to be from Lord and Miller. It's not great as a movie, but that opening scene is so good......and it does have some cool moments.
i agree, rogue one and solo were the only ones i have the same love as i do the originals. I was pissed when they cut plans to use qira and maul in future. kk should take a boat ride into a mine field.
It was definitely the best, with rogue one as a close second. This movie was betrayed. Popular RUclipsrs were paid to review bomb this movie and convinced everyone to boycott this movie, yet everyone still went to see the rise of Skywalker and the last Jedi. We could have had more great movies like this, but instead the fandom relies on their favorite streamers opinions, instead of forming their own
This is the closest a modern Star Wars movie has come to roping me in since the original trilogy, which is surprising considering that I never wanted a Solo movie to begin with. It still had WAY too much plot (should have focused strictly on the train job) - I kind of checked out for a while during the bloated second half until it picked back up for the finale. Woody's final scene was hilarious, but it was the only humor in the film that really 100% worked for me and felt like Star Wars. From what I've read, Alden was hired because his father was a lawyer for Stephen Spielberg, and Spielberg really pushed for him to be hired.
Solo had a lot of issues, but I think the biggest misstep was cramming so much of the lore into this one movie. Considering this was originally slated to be the start of a trilogy, you don't throw in the kitchen sink on the first installment.
Yep, they pretty much threw in the origin story of every iconic Han Solo thing. His blaster. Knowing Lando. Getting the Falcon. Meeting Chewie. Getting his wardrobe. How he got famous for the Kessel Run. I guess in retrospect it's good all that was in there, because we aren't going to get any more movies.
I met chris miller in a pub in london a few weeks after he was fired. It was after a weird classical music gig that like, 20 people were at. I didn't know who he was at first then my mate explained why he was in london lol a much needed holiday haha. he was a really nice guy and seemed sad that he was fired, like he really cared about the project and what they were making. he told me some of the choices they made and what they'd shot...but i can't remember anything he said (it would of made this comment a lot more interesting). I remember thinking "wow, that would of been really interesting to see in a star wars flick"...."sounds like they chickened out". then i saw the film. and i was right.
There is something quite unnerving about hearing how much the crew detested Lord and Miller on the set of Solo to the point that they were honestly happy and cheering when they were taken off the project, now with the knowledge of how Lord and Miller were with Across the Spider-verse
SOLO - could have been a TV series - the episodic adventures of a likeable scoundrel with shifting allegiances and a gunslinger attitude trying to make a quick buck in a tyrannical galaxy and his occasional run-ins with Jabba, Boba and Lando; shootouts with gang members, pirates and stormtroopers; girls in every port and getting around in the coolest spaceship ever...
Yeah because the Disney+ Star Wars series are so much better than their films! /s Disney SW films I score 4/10. Disney+ SW series I score 2/10. Rather have the films.
There was a lot of improvisation on the set of the original Star Wars. The actors kept changing Lucas' terrible lines, I doubt it would have worked without them.
@@mishynaofficial i'M OuT oF It 4 a LiTtle wHile eVEryboDY gEtz dEluSIonS Of GRanDeUr Yeah if that acting and line was in the prequels you'd bitch till you'd figure out you're still a virgin Should we go over more stupid lines and acting in the first three?
I love most of Kennedy‘s portfolio and it didn’t hurt her career that a large chunk of projects that she’s majorly known for or ones that involve Steven Spielberg. But that said, she’s really good at producing, which is what she should be doing. She shouldn’t be creative directing and making those calls. She’s not a creative. That’s all there is to that. Her instincts when it comes to this stuff are just straight up off target. So it’s not surprising that she wouldn’t understand what made their work so good. To be fair, it’s really hard to improvise in such a lore, heavy and canon focused franchise. That’s where the Scorsese approach probably would’ve been better because you could’ve at least adjusted the changes to make them work within the context of existing Star Wars. I don’t want to slag Lawrence Kasdan too much, but a lot of people forget that Leigh Brackett worked on empire for a good chunk of it, and made a lot of the big choices. Kasdan has done some amazing work, and I would never want to begrudge him that, but I do feel like having been the creative steering behind The Force Awakens and this final movie says a lot. I really wish we could see what they did because I feel like it would’ve been incredible. It’s just must’ve come down to too much, too fresh, too fast, and way too expensive. But let’s be honest, they went on to do Spider-verse, which was incredible. So who is kicking rocks now?
Honestly I think one of the major problems with the film is that it crams too much into too short of a timeframe, I think the main story should have been spread out over the events of years or months. I also think Qi'ra should have been the one who died while Beckett (Or Ovan Marekel as Lucas originally named him) escaped and went onto become that rich bastard that Han would resent and be afraid of becoming. Also, I think it's fairly obvious that the Maul scene was tacked on towards the end of production when it Disney got nervous about its chances at success, especially after they noticed how poorly received TLJ was among fans and some casual audiences, so figured a big twist lik that for normies who weren't aware of Maul's role in TCW and Rebels would shocked and word of mouth would bring people in out of curiosity. Mainly because the name of Maul's crime syndicate is pointlessly changed from Shadow Collective to Crimson Dawn, which sounds like Black Sun, making me believe the villains were meant to be the Black Sun crime syndicate. I also think it's interesting to know that Peter Serafinowicz originally came back to voice Maul but was replaced by Sam Witwer either for consistency or because Howard disliked Serafinowicz's constant bashing of George Lucas.
Last Jedi killed Star Wars for me. I didn't even watch the next 2 movies. And I was a "wait in line for days to see a midnight showing" kind of fan. It ruined Star Wars for me. A complete dumpster fire. Like what you like, but I hated it.
Considering how good Lord and Miller's movies usually are, I really wished that we would've gotten their version of the movie since I've loved all the stuff that they make.
Disney also had another option to play a young Han Solo: Anthony Ingruber. Anthony had already played a younger version of a Harrison Ford character in Age of Adaline, and what would have been most important to a lot of fans is that he looks and sounds a lot like Harrison. They even hired Anthony Ingruber as the "young double" for Indiana Jones in the new film. As a counterpoint, while a good actor, Alden Ehrenreich really does not look and sound anything at all like Harrison.
Your videos are so spot on, sometimes I get so bummed I can’t make it through. Gentle anger suppressed. This one was very enjoyable. I do hope that makes sense.
One thing I heard about them was that fleabag’s droid character was supposed to be a caricature of “wokeism” which i for one would’ve loved to see and would’ve aged very well but kathleen saw it and thought it was offensive and ended up making it into an actual “woke” character and fired them over that as well as other things
@@mttylerdurden9 Woke= Cultural Marxism. A woke person is someone who has been indoctrinated by Marxist ideologies. Also referred to as a "useful idiot". Step one of the "Four steps for Communist ideological subversion". (Yuri Bezmenov, 1985) Demoralization - this is a process which can take about 15-30 years to perform (a generation). During this stage, the moral fibre and integrity of the country is put into question, thereby creating doubt in the minds of the people. To do so, manipulation of the media and academia is required to influence young people. As the younger generation embraces new values, such as Marxism and Leninism, the older generation slowly loses control simply through attrition. Again, true facts no longer matter during this stage, but rather creating perceptions are of paramount importance. Communism and Religion Abolished - all religious and metaphysics is rejected. Engels and Lenin agreed that religion was a drug or “spiritual booze” and must be combated. *To them, atheism put into practice meant a “forcible overthrow of all existing social conditions.”* Eliminating American exceptionalism, fundamental change of national identity, *structural deconstruction of foundational principles, elimination of religion. Embedding a new societal design upon the psyche of generations through ideological academia, peer pressure by elites upon academics and society to convince that prior values were inherently flawed, racist, prejudiced etc. National identity is diluted with aspersions toward historical references. National History is re-written, re-defined, and molded to fit the new intended behavioral model and create the new values.* *“[T]he useful idiots, the leftists who are idealistically believing in the beauty of the Soviet socialist or Communist or whatever system,* when they get disillusioned, they become the worst enemies. That’s why my KGB instructors specifically made the point: never bother with leftists. Forget about these political prostitutes. Aim higher. [...] They serve a purpose only at the stage of destabilization of a nation. *For example, your leftists in the United States: all these professors and all these beautiful civil rights defenders. They are instrumental in the process of the subversion only to destabilize a nation. When their job is completed, they are not needed any more.* They know too much. Some of them, when they get disillusioned, when they see that Marxist-Leninists come to power-obviously they get offended-they think that they will come to power. That will never happen, of course. They will be lined up against the wall and shot.”
I never knew any of this, thank you. I watched Solo about 2 years after it’s release and I really like it, especially compared to the recent Star Wars films of the era.
It's also important to note that none of the people involved bothered to discuss with Lucas how Han actually won the Falcon. If you read the original novel of ANH - you will find that the Sabacc dice were not a good luck charm - but were the dice that he won the ship with. Sabacc was not a card game in the original story.
The subplot pitting Maul’s criminal syndicate against this new Enfys Nest and her Cloud Rider Gang could have become a great new trilogy of its own… Biggest problem in this movie for me is the fan service overload. They blew it all in the first flick so it’s oversaturated, and there’s nothing left to fill in even one sequel. But I did really love this one overall. Fantastic casting, awesome action, an amazing score, and many memorable moments.
that does make me think the sequels could have been better - maybe getting all the fan service out of the way meant films 2 and 3 would have the real story - Maul, Xixor, Vader, qira... that sounds like it could have been cool
I find it ironic that this hit piece criticizes Lord and Miller for multiple takes of scenes when the reason that they were fired was that they stopped doing the huge number of extra takes that Kathleen Kennedy demanded so that she and her pet editor could cut the movie the way that they wanted. This has been the number one reason directors leave KK's Star Wars projects - not "creative differences" but directors finally refusing to allow Kennedy to create these films from the shadows while using her directors as a front (by the way, the current count is 18 directors eventually fired for this reason).
Lucasfilm did the same, which is why the prequels were such crap. For instance, I read interviews with some of the MANY writers hired to work on Indy 4's script (what became Crystal Skull) and Lucasfilm was described as a creative black hole where everyone was more concerned with pleasing their bosses than making good art. A truly bad experience for all involved.
@@Bulletsandblockbusters oh what I didn't realise that. Out of all the non Lucas films Rogue One felt like it could have been made alongside the original trilogy. It's just a really good film
Nah, disagree with this. You can’t keep citing overruns on set as a reasonable cause for firing and then proceed to reshoot 80% of the film. This was a simple case of Kasdan butting heads with Miller and Lord, there’s one directorial vision on set not two. Kennedy was nervous from Edwards similar practises on Rogue One (Gilroy and Edwards seemed to work well on reshoots together) and pulled the trigger too early. Lucasfilm deserves the films they have today.
I saw this once and only remember rolling my eyes at L3 repeatedly Ehrenreich was okay though, I saw him with Ford's young face deepfaked on at the campfire scene, and you see he actually nailed a lot of the more subtle tics and mannerisms of the original Han Solo Still wish we could see the original cut though, especially with most of the film already done by the time it changed directors
I completely disagree that the movie was "bland and nothing special". It's the only movie in the Disney (and prequel) era to capture the feel of the original trilogy. Im 54 years old now, and there were several times during Solo that I felt like 8 year old me again, watching the original in 1977. And people that knock Alden Ehrenrich for not looking or sounding like Harrison Ford, that's good. Because his job was to play Han Solo, not give an impersonation of Ford. He did his job and owned the role of young Han. My only complaints are how Han was given his last name. No defending that. And this is the rare movie that should add in the deleted scenes because they would've elevated the movie even more and given even more depth to the characters. #MakeSolo2Happen
My OH was filmed as a specialist extra for Solo while L&M were the directors (a real musician pretending to play a fake harp like instrument--the prop is visible in the sticker book without a person playing it). All of that footage was cut except perhaps 1 second, backlit background at about 60 minutes in. Got well paid all the same, and got featured (playing a piano) in the "Denny's Diner" Solo tie-in advert (easily findable here on RUclips) The strings on the prop weren't "playable" although the instrument possibly could have been made to sound if strung with real musical strings (steel, nylon or sheepgut).
This movie is a little bit of a conundrum and it does indeed have some very rough moments and details. Donald Glover is one of the better actors in the movie and he really does brighten up the movie but Alden has good and bad moments too. It’s quite interesting to hear about what could’ve happened in a different version of the movie but the movie that we got is still very memorable and it’s better than the Disney sequels!
Solo felt like a Star Wars movie and was enjoyable -- it was just hard to get over the fact that the kids playing Han Solo was about 5'9 while Harrison Ford is 6'2.
Absolutely really enjoyed solo it was alot of fun very underappreciated at the time but it would certainly be interesting to see the lord and miller cut of the movie for sure properly wont happen though but would be cool if they did release the alternative version
If they were trying to make a 21 Jump Street out of Solo, I am SO glad they were fired. Sure, the producers look to inject a style from certain directors, but when it's someone else's "toys", you find a common ground. FYI: Solo was an enjoyable movie. It and Rogue One were much better than the movies of the newer trilogy.
It sounds during Lord and Miller was the right decision if the crew clapped when they heard the news. Overworking cast out of directors not making up their minds is not something I can support regardless of results.
The only thing I heard about this movie prior to Howard taking over, and I can't remember where I heard it, was that the movie was shaping up to be a LOT more comedic. Something akin to Ace Ventura. While that doesn't make sense from a Star Wars movie standpoint, and I don't know how someone could even attempt that in the Star Wars universe, it would make sense as to why they were let go if true.
I completely disagree about the love relationship with a droid. I think trivializes Lando's character not expands it and I always assumed the "strange dialect" of the Falcon mcame from all the hodge podge patch jobs from various ship sources over the years. All those different parts from different ships from different races, species, and planets of course the Falcon would have a weird dialect.
This is somewhat mentioned. Aldenreich was an accomplished actor by this point and needed no coaching to know HOW to act... As was well reported at that time is what he sought was help in finding a way to meld the off script/off the wall improv technique of L&M with the need to find a characterization of Ford/Han at a much younger age so fans would most definitely experience a younger Han Solo not just some random actor ignoring the iconic but recreating the role his way. He literally went out of his way to find a way to better create a young Solo based on the character in SW4/5/6...and has spent years often being lambasted for it.
Upon taking over Lucas films, One of Kathleen Kennedy's primary objectives was to bring in a diverse range of emerging creative minds, aiming to infuse the franchise with new life and fresh perspectives. And we all know how horribly that has gone.
So nice to watch balanced, informed SW commentary; always something of a rarity. Personally I really enjoy Solo, aside from a horrible first viewing where the projection was so dark that I couldn't tell who was who for long stretches, crucially including the opening Corellia scenes, Mimban & the Han/Chewie meet-cute, the gambling den and the Kessel mines. With subsequent brighter viewings, it became my favourite of the Disney-era movies. I've spent far too many rewatches pondering what remains of Lord & Miller and what is all Howard. Bettany's Dryden is so good that I find it hard to imagine the original, and I find it hard to figure where Favreau's Rio fits into the production history (despite being a great character who deserved a longer run).
Honestly, this video made me like the movie more. Not just because I disagreed with some of the opinions and am rebellious (😉) , but bc it's interesting to think of all the things that could've happened in the movie, adds a bit of mystery in a Very expensive universe. To me, the greatest attribute to the movie is the gritty/dark emotional tone that you don't get at all in most Disney star wars, where every character feels indestructible and never down like Captain America
I heard a story that one of the producers came to the set one day and over the course of the day Lord and Miller hadn't gotten any work done. Which played a major part in them getting fired.
#MakeSolo2Happen. Also Disney, said they're not gonna cast new actors, as younger versions of characters. Which I think isn’t a good idea because A: It paints a picture that Alden Ehrenreich and Donald Glover's portrayals of a young Han and Lando as the reason Solo bombed. (When really it was releasing it so close to Infinity War, and not long after the devisive release of TLJ.) And B, It could mean, that if Lucasfilm and Disney want to keep using younger versions of characters in live action, then that would mean de-aging and deep faking technology would be used much more frequently, which isn't really the best, especially if the original actors has died. But it seems like now Disney are trying to focus on new sides of Star Wars, or legacy characters that they don't need to recast or de-age. Though I personally welcome the idea of casting young actors as iconic characters, as long as they're are well chosen, and have had some coaching from either the legacy actor or their family. And also Solo, probably would've done much better had it been released in December like all the other Disney Star Wars films, but that's just me, and I'm thankful that Disney have realised that releasing a Star Wars movie every year isn’t s good idea, as Star Wars movies are special when they feel like an event, like TPM and TFA. Also the Wookie language is called Shriywook, pronounced SHRI-WOOK. And the bartender's name is Wuher.
I always assumed if we saw L&M's version it would have been radically different than Howard's movie. But what's revealed here suggests that the events would have all been the same, it just wouldn't have taken itself quite as seriously. It was never going to be a laugh-a-minute LEGO movie thing. And the fact that L3 came from L&M, well...
Solo A Star Wars Story is absolutely fantastic and such a joy to watch. It's so cool and amazing to see how Han & Chewbeacca first met and formed their bond of friendship & loyalty to one another. It is an Underrated Gem of a film and deserves a sequel. One that shows how Han & Chewbacca got into debt to Jabba The Hut & How Lando established Cloud City and rose to be its administrator.
Han Solo had an interesting backstory in Legends that I would’ve like to see in film form. I still like Solo: a Star Wars movie, but the execution and focus was pretty poor.
@@Yeeyeeenation Nope, its true. Back in the 80's and 90's everyone wanted more Han, Luke, and, Leia, not the origin story of a side character and the villain.
I was a life long Star Wars fan. Then I saw Last Jedi. After that film I was so HORRIFIED by what Star Wars had become, I couldn’t justify spending money on Solo. I doubt I was alone in that and that’s probably why the film did so poorly.
While I did fork out for a (half price) ticket to see The Rise of Skywalker, just because I wanted to see what parts of TLJ Abrams might retcon, no other Star Wars film (nor any TV series) did I watch after TLJ. That was the bottom for me also. In fact it made me seek out the 4K77, 4K80 and 4K83 versions of the original trilogy - they're my Star Wars now, as they once always were. Nothing else really happened in my Star Wars universe, not the special editions nor even the prequels. I've retconned it all in my mind.
Alden is a great actor and did a great job acting in the role, but I knew this movie was going down the drain as soon as Disney dismissed the idea of Anthony Ingruber. The only way to do a young Han Solo and to have the fans accept it, is to do a Han Solo impersonation, and Alden was not the right guy for that task. Ingruber was the only actor who could pull off a convincing young Han Solo being a great impressionist, having studied Harrison Ford's mannerisms, having already portrayed a younger version, and looking very much like a young Harrison Ford. It's a shame they didn't use him.
The writing of Solo was digging back to Han Solo's "YOUNG" days. So, there is no way to find a 'YOUNG' Harrison Ford. The later movies had an Older Han Solo. I appreciated the difference attempted. Sorry if I'm being lame🐻
Solo was a strange movie. It was a movie I had no interest in at all but wound up loving it. It was a FUN movie. Rouge One and Solo are the best Disney Star Wars films. I wish they had stuck with the Anthology films. We would have gotten the Boba Fett and Kenobi films by now. I think the issue with the improvisation is that at that time, they were trying to keep things connected. If an actor made up a line in this movie that conflicts with another film, that would make things problematic. I think Alden Ehrenreich did great as a young Han. He didn't look or sound like like Harrison but I think he got his mannerisms right.
Fascinating how all my favorite scenes (which also comprise the only parts of Solo I actually remember) are all from Lord and Miller's version of the film... hrm...
Remember when the fans were trying to take credit away from Lucas and thought Lawerence Kasdan was the messiah of Star Wars? And then he turned out to help ruin episode 7 and write a boring solo movie (with his equally boring son)
When you have Donald Glover signed to the picture, you call it LANDO and tell a story the audience hasn't seen before with a character far less developed than Han Solo. That was the critical mistake.
How do so many people fail to remember there was a massive boycott made by the fans against Solo in rebuttal to TLJ, and Kennedy was aware of this so she responded to the boycotters not by addressing her wrongs BUT pulling the plug on the Kenobi movie, Boba Fett, and etc
Just like any good story, start in the middle. Like with the train heist or something. (You pick) The need to fulfill audience expectations killed the pace. How he got the Falcon from Lando could have been enough in this one, with the anticipation of the other references, meeting Chewie, the Kessel Run, saved for other films. It doesn't matter which ones you choose, but this film was so laden with backstory from the other films it made it dull. Any creative writing class worth its salt would have said "Don't do that."
I think the movie is still very enjoyable and rewatchable - I think the cinematography , lighting setups and HDR could have been tweaked a bit more but this was a great solid Han Solo adventure flick
As a kid who eagerly sat in theaters numerous times in 1977...80...83 ...and an eager adult with the prequels... I find Solo to be THE best of the Disney films...it's a damn fine SW tale.
@@BulletsandblockbustersCount me among them! I think this movie had plenty of great moments and action, and the characters tracked well with their older established counterparts. Personally, they did such a great job with Q'ira that I prefer her to Leia as Han's love interest.
I genuinely didn't think it was a bad movie. I think people jumped on the hate Disney band wagon too quickly and too easily and never gave it a chance. Yup it has some bad stuff in it but it's way better than the last jedi and rise of the shitwalker
I'd really like to see Lord and Miller's cut. I'm sure that would much more interesting than we saw. The only thing I liked about Solo was Qi'ra because I relate to her very much.
couldn't agreed less, Solo is impeccable, recently asked online 460 liked and 58 didn't, which proves haters make far more noise than the rest of us, sorry.....
I remember hearing at the time that the dailies looked "...like a Guardians of the Galaxy rip-off...", and didn't suit the Star Wars aesthetics they were going for.
The Marvel-ization of most action movies has been excruciating. Cheesy, sitcom-level one-liners and tons of snarky, immature dialogue that makes the adult characters all seem like teenagers and that completely kills any build-up of tension. That and the unfocused scripts and absolutely bloated run-times.
There are those Star Wars fans who hate L3-3T, and those Star Wars fans who are wrong. That was one of the worst things ever in a sea of Disney/Lucasfilm garbage. In George's vision, all droids are property, no more, no less. Some denizens of the galaxy treat droids well, others do not, but droids are property and the idea of droid independence is contrary, especially in a prequel. Also, the "relationship" between the droid and Lando obliterated Lando's suave, ladykiller charm. Finally, uploading the droid's brain into the Millennium Falcon's navigation computer neuters Han Solo's piloting skills, as shown in the main trilogy. C3P0's line about the Falcon's weird dialect was explained by Han in A New Hope: "I've made special modifications" meaning that not all the components were fully compatible. L3-3T was utter indefensible trash, full stop.
I actually liked the film. Though my one huge gripe was having the Sith lord try to intimidate someone with his sabre on Zoom. Pointless, distasteful and frankly tactically counterproductive. It just makes him seem like an average hot tempered bouncer roleplaying COO for the call because the boss wasn't in. Its not scary, its sad and kinda makes me feel that the other person would play along and appear intimidated out of sympathy not fear, not respect, just pity. Edit that said, the music, the acting, the setting (most people aren't force sensitive and we finally get to see that), the space travelling. So many positives and so much potential. This film could have opened the door to a bridge between Star Trek and Star Wars, where some people are just going along their business and run into all sorts of awesome adventures, finding lost treasures, strange species, hightech wonders, and all sorts of things with all things Star Wars serving as the backdrop. Like the games, it really really had a ton of potential.
When we will all admit Disney ruined Star Wars and Marvel. The first problem with this movie was Harrison Ford wasn’t in it. They tried telling a story of a young Han, when Harrison was young in Star Wars, so it was glaringly obvious it wasn’t Han. The rest of the problem was all Disney.
The reason the film failed and you failed to mention it, was because of the sequels. People were actively stating on titter that were not going to go see Solo because of what KK had done to the sequels.
Ah, Solo...the movie nobody wanted. I honestly think almost all fans would've answered the same way as Harrison Ford if asked whether they were excited about a Han Solo movie. Everyone would much rather have had a good Obi-Wan Kenobi movie (rather than an awful and canon-breaking series). That being said, Solo wasn't as bad as a lot of the social media rage would have you think. To me it was just a bit of forgettable, disposable fun. But the problem is that pre-Disney, Star Wars had never been forgettable or disposable. Never. Disney have shown time and again that they simply don't get Star Wars, what it is or what to do with it. And I just can't see that changing at all in the future.
Anthony Ingruber could have played that role, infact he has played a younger Harrison pretty convincingly in age of adeline... he was the obvious choice, consider the leia in rogue one, luke Skywalker in mandalorian... they have obviously opted to a recreation of the original actors...in the clip attached imagine if he had played Han in solo a star wars story... people would have paid just to watch him feel frighteningly similar to Harrison ruclips.net/video/vwLv993khfI/видео.html
Another great video! I always enjoy watching this movie, but for some reason it never feels like a Star Wars movie, I think it’s the way they filmed it, but not sure what it is
A lot of the downfall of this era has been lack of pre-planning and the execs getting on the same page as the filmmakers. I’m talking in-depth and crafting the vision from the inside out, back to front. It got too hands off until it became over intrusive. A lot of these issues with Rogue One & Solo shouldn’t have happened three quarters of the way through production. They should’ve been dealt with far earlier.
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Your 100% right. They obviously had done preplanning with the marvel movies and it worked. Why didn’t they do that with Star Wars? They wanted a quick money grab IMHO
I don't think Star Wars needs to be planned that meticulously. You just need talented people telling stories they're passionate about. My worst nightmare is Star Wars becoming Marvel and getting stale after 5 years. You have to respect Kathleen Kennedy's willingness to take chances on projects like Andor, Acolyte, and the Filoniverse. Solo rocked, she could have kept making A Star Wars Stories
Epic fail #1 - Not having a clearly defined vision for the over-arching storyline and character directions for the sequel trilogy. Scandalously arrogant treatment for such a deeply loved franchise.
I liked Solo, but I did feel like they had a checklist of iconic Han Solo Things they had to check off in the script. How does he meet Chewie? How does he get his blaster? How does he get his wardrobe? How does he meet Lando? How does he get the Falcon?
Agreed. Who cares to see any of that.
@@Bulletsandblockbusters I'd like to see some of it, just for fan service. But it was too much in one movie. I'd honestly have been fine if the Falcon wasn't even in the first movie, if this was supposed to be a trilogy.
I'd like to see the Legends story on how Chewbacca and Han met
And how he became Solo, yet how he got it was the dumbest thing ever
@@freemakerthings4518all these years later it still makes me laugh out loud
Imagine getting the role of a lifetime…and then having a supporting role in Cocaine bear years later…Hollywood can be brutal lol.
💯Look at Brandon Routh
@@Bulletsandblockbusters 😮😮😮 yeah you’re right. Never a leading man again but solid bit parts on TV and Scott Pilgrim.
He’s lucky to get that in this hashtag me too era.
Kinda like Mark Hamill and Hayden Christensen.
I always wanted to know what exactly they had in mind and to see any footage they had cause if im not mistaken they already had alot of footage :/
I really wish they had hired that actor that played a young Harrison Ford in some other movie a few years ago. He's a pretty good actor, and actually looks and sounds like Ford. There's a video of him on RUclips doing a Ford impression, as i think he was angling for the role some years back. EDIT: Anthony Ingruber is the actor's name.
Anthony Ingruber was the popular fan casting for Solo. Supposedly he auditioned, but didn't get the part.
Disney specifically said at the time they didn't want someone who would do a Harrison Ford impersonation
he did get to play Harrison in Age of Adeline.
💯! Ingruber would have absolutely made us feel like we were actually watching a young Han Solo.
@Brian Yassem Which shows how dumb they are. It would have been a hell of a lot easier to accept Ingruber as Han than Alden. And wasn't Glover doing a Billy Dee impression?
They could have taken a Kelly's Heroes approach to storytelling, with Han being disaffected imperial soldier who was demoted for doing right thing, and was transferred to a demoralizing posting for his trouble were has to guard lute stolen by the empire, with Chewbacca being a slave he befriend. The heist resolves around Han and Chewie being the inside guys, beckett and crew being the ones conducting it, and Lando being the ringleader who funds and supplies whole thing and acts as Black market connection who will sells the good. Voss would be a crime lord who with connections to high ranking imperial officials who launders money from sold stolen lute on their behalf, and has been tasked by them to to get back their merchandise, and if he fails, he takes the fall. Think Guy Ritchie meets Kelly Heroes.
Hell yes! This is the movie I wanted!
Just read the Han Solo trilogy. It pretty much tells how he got into the empire, met chewie, and got the millennium falcon.
Seeing as how that’s the essence of Solo’s canonical backstory, that would’ve been LOADS better than what we got.
@@ab5olut3zero95 thanks for the compliment.
As much as I had fun with Howard’s film, would’ve loved to have seen Lord and Miller’s take. Definitely would’ve been more funny, maybe the most funniest Star Wars movie.
I would still like to see a version of their take. For sure.
Would also like to see the David Ayer cut of Suicide Squad.
Cause that's what we need, more comedy? Good forbid keep a movie serious and adult.
@@4Everlast But that's not what Star Wars is about
Star Wars is meant to be a whole family movie - and I don't mean just "family friendly" as in it's okay for kids to watch, I mean it should be a unique experience for every age and maturity level
It has to be funny and light and exciting to keep kids and teens engaged but also have overtones that you only catch as an adult and make it still interesting for them
So yes, Star Wars has to be funny
@@samstromberg5593 100% and let's stop sheltering kids from death and such ugly, sad parts of the human experience.
@@4Everlast Really can't tell if that was sarcastic or not but either way I think you're right - people die, this is reality, and kids do need to know that. But there's no reason why you can't have death in a comedic film. Star Wars is one of the funniest film universes out there and people die in it all the time
The biggest issue with this film is it makes no sense. They spend the entire picture telling us that you don't betray driden vos only to have Woody betray him in the most ridiculous way at the most ridiculous time for no reason. It would have been so easily fixed. Just make woody angry with Dryden because of Val's death on the train job, and have the whole movie about him trying to get face to face with Dryden so he can kill him and get revenge. Very few changes need to happen. Have them not meet dryden until the end, have a few shots of Woody visibly upset about val's death and make it clear he wants revenge. The rest of the movie is pretty much the same. Such a shame
you made the movie better!
@@lawrencelord9777 Character motivation is what transforms a series of events in to a story...
also hans motivation that drives the events is to get to qira, but he meets up with her right away and the motivation is gone already
@@lieutenantlouie When he meets her she is working for dryden and basically trapped there, so he still has to get her freed. I don't think him meeting her halfway detracts from the plot it just changes her agency from the damsel in distress to an active member of the group with agency.
They should have hired a lighting guy. It was so dark, you can barely see it.
I wish Solo would of gotten released before the Last Jedi.
I think it would of done much better.
I think the characters created in Solo were much stronger than other Disney Star Wars movies.
I have said this many times... If not for Last Jedi, I think the Solo film would have done fine. Do I think Solo is a master piece, no, but it was enjoyable. However, I think Last Jedi was such a massive waste of a film that it turned off far too many fans, and as a result they did not give Solo the chance that it deserved.
yes, and 4 months after Jedi closed was too early. They should have held it until Christmas, just like Rogue 1.
I agree. I know that is why *I* didn't see Solo in the theater.
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Yeah, Disney’s biggest sin with Star Wars is trying to turn it into a constant money printer just like they’ve been doing with the marvel trash that’s been pumped out day after day since endgame. A brand new Star Wars movie 4 months after the last one?? We used to go years in between Star Wars trilogy movies and decades between trilogies. Combine that with the absolute mess that was the movie that immediately preceded it and Solo was set up for failure before it ever released. Which is infuriating because I find it better than any of the sequel trilogy, and Rogue One is one of my favorites of any Star Wars movie, so ditching the entire Star Wars Story movie promise as a result is just tragic.
Solo is the one film I really liked from Disney Star Wars (I also liked Rogue One, but not as much).
Howard did something in Solo that is lacking in Rogue One, I cared about the characters. Howard has a unique style in that many of his films feel like a guilty pleasure, but he does a good job of focusing on the characters and that gives the movie heart.
Solo harkens back to the Original Trilogy style where it’s just a fun movie and doesn’t take itself too seriously. When Star Wars try to be some grandiose story, I think it usually falls flat like The Prequels and The Last Jedi. I get it that Solo is not for everyone as there is no mention of the Force, but I enjoyed and it’s the one Disney film I’ll defend.
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I enjoyed some of them in Solo but I cared about the characters a lot more in Rogue One personally, even with some of them not getting enough screentime, and was more affected by how things played out.
Han Solo already has a better story out there, not this one, though. The Prequels is still Star Wars, though the Sequels are not.
Thank you for revealing what Lord and Miller shot, I didn't know before this video
I think Solo is the most underrated Star Wars film. Alden Ehrenreich’s Han Solo is the best part of the film for me. As much as Ron Howard’s cut of the film is good as it is it would’ve been awesome to see Lord and Millers cut
Agree, I dont understand the hate, it COULD have been so much better quite easiliy, but at least it wasnt really BAD, like most Star Wars products have been. I just wish it would stop, there have now been more bad Star Wars productions than good ones, and its starting to tarnish the original trilogy.
I actually thought Alden Ehrenreich played Han Solo better than Harrison Ford ever did
@@Stratoszero >starting to tarnish the original trilogy.
Since 1999.
I just watched this film for the first time 3 days ago and i couldn't agree more. I know people were really hard on Alden's performance, Some even wishing the studio had just done a CG de-aged Harrison Ford. And while I'm sure that would've been cool to see i don't think it would've really added much. Alden not only looked like Ford but sounded like him too. He did a really good job. Just wish the movie was better.
@@mishynaofficial Didn't actually make the OT meaningless though.
I loved that Solo Movie.. I know it could have been so much more. They definitely cast the best person they could for Han imo.
Lord and Miller are brilliant.
Just look at Spider-Man: Across the Spider-Verse, The Lego Movie and yeah, 21 Jump Street. They're so fresh but also, nail imaginative action and get the best out of their actors.
My most anticipated movie of 2024/25 is their adaptation of the Andy Weir novel Project Hail Mary. I predict it will be the best movie of whatever year it is released.
This was actually my favorite of the disney star wars movies. And most of the stuff I like turns out to be from Lord and Miller. It's not great as a movie, but that opening scene is so good......and it does have some cool moments.
I couldn't make it through it, I tried 3 times and solo is my favorite character. Good on you though.
i agree, rogue one and solo were the only ones i have the same love as i do the originals. I was pissed when they cut plans to use qira and maul in future. kk should take a boat ride into a mine field.
It was definitely the best, with rogue one as a close second. This movie was betrayed. Popular RUclipsrs were paid to review bomb this movie and convinced everyone to boycott this movie, yet everyone still went to see the rise of Skywalker and the last Jedi. We could have had more great movies like this, but instead the fandom relies on their favorite streamers opinions, instead of forming their own
This is the closest a modern Star Wars movie has come to roping me in since the original trilogy, which is surprising considering that I never wanted a Solo movie to begin with. It still had WAY too much plot (should have focused strictly on the train job) - I kind of checked out for a while during the bloated second half until it picked back up for the finale. Woody's final scene was hilarious, but it was the only humor in the film that really 100% worked for me and felt like Star Wars.
From what I've read, Alden was hired because his father was a lawyer for Stephen Spielberg, and Spielberg really pushed for him to be hired.
Solo had a lot of issues, but I think the biggest misstep was cramming so much of the lore into this one movie. Considering this was originally slated to be the start of a trilogy, you don't throw in the kitchen sink on the first installment.
Good point and agreed!
Yep, they pretty much threw in the origin story of every iconic Han Solo thing. His blaster. Knowing Lando. Getting the Falcon. Meeting Chewie. Getting his wardrobe. How he got famous for the Kessel Run. I guess in retrospect it's good all that was in there, because we aren't going to get any more movies.
@@franciscodanconia4324- His name, his dice....
@@franciscodanconia4324 And Red Letter Media predicted a majority of this before the movie was even released.
I met chris miller in a pub in london a few weeks after he was fired. It was after a weird classical music gig that like, 20 people were at. I didn't know who he was at first then my mate explained why he was in london lol a much needed holiday haha. he was a really nice guy and seemed sad that he was fired, like he really cared about the project and what they were making. he told me some of the choices they made and what they'd shot...but i can't remember anything he said (it would of made this comment a lot more interesting). I remember thinking "wow, that would of been really interesting to see in a star wars flick"...."sounds like they chickened out". then i saw the film. and i was right.
There is something quite unnerving about hearing how much the crew detested Lord and Miller on the set of Solo to the point that they were honestly happy and cheering when they were taken off the project, now with the knowledge of how Lord and Miller were with Across the Spider-verse
SOLO - could have been a TV series - the episodic adventures of a likeable scoundrel with shifting allegiances and a gunslinger attitude trying to make a quick buck in a tyrannical galaxy and his occasional run-ins with Jabba, Boba and Lando; shootouts with gang members, pirates and stormtroopers; girls in every port and getting around in the coolest spaceship ever...
Would've been so much better as a series.
Yeah because the Disney+ Star Wars series are so much better than their films! /s
Disney SW films I score 4/10.
Disney+ SW series I score 2/10.
Rather have the films.
Apart from the late Michael K Williams being in it, the main difference would be a lot of improvisation which does not especially suit Star Wars.
There was a lot of improvisation on the set of the original Star Wars. The actors kept changing Lucas' terrible lines, I doubt it would have worked without them.
@@mishynaofficial i'M OuT oF It 4 a LiTtle wHile eVEryboDY gEtz dEluSIonS Of GRanDeUr
Yeah if that acting and line was in the prequels you'd bitch till you'd figure out you're still a virgin
Should we go over more stupid lines and acting in the first three?
My friend, Han solo is a memorable character because of Harrison Ford's amazing improvization
I love most of Kennedy‘s portfolio and it didn’t hurt her career that a large chunk of projects that she’s majorly known for or ones that involve Steven Spielberg. But that said, she’s really good at producing, which is what she should be doing. She shouldn’t be creative directing and making those calls. She’s not a creative. That’s all there is to that. Her instincts when it comes to this stuff are just straight up off target. So it’s not surprising that she wouldn’t understand what made their work so good. To be fair, it’s really hard to improvise in such a lore, heavy and canon focused franchise. That’s where the Scorsese approach probably would’ve been better because you could’ve at least adjusted the changes to make them work within the context of existing Star Wars. I don’t want to slag Lawrence Kasdan too much, but a lot of people forget that Leigh Brackett worked on empire for a good chunk of it, and made a lot of the big choices. Kasdan has done some amazing work, and I would never want to begrudge him that, but I do feel like having been the creative steering behind The Force Awakens and this final movie says a lot. I really wish we could see what they did because I feel like it would’ve been incredible. It’s just must’ve come down to too much, too fresh, too fast, and way too expensive. But let’s be honest, they went on to do Spider-verse, which was incredible. So who is kicking rocks now?
Honestly I think one of the major problems with the film is that it crams too much into too short of a timeframe, I think the main story should have been spread out over the events of years or months. I also think Qi'ra should have been the one who died while Beckett (Or Ovan Marekel as Lucas originally named him) escaped and went onto become that rich bastard that Han would resent and be afraid of becoming.
Also, I think it's fairly obvious that the Maul scene was tacked on towards the end of production when it Disney got nervous about its chances at success, especially after they noticed how poorly received TLJ was among fans and some casual audiences, so figured a big twist lik that for normies who weren't aware of Maul's role in TCW and Rebels would shocked and word of mouth would bring people in out of curiosity. Mainly because the name of Maul's crime syndicate is pointlessly changed from Shadow Collective to Crimson Dawn, which sounds like Black Sun, making me believe the villains were meant to be the Black Sun crime syndicate.
I also think it's interesting to know that Peter Serafinowicz originally came back to voice Maul but was replaced by Sam Witwer either for consistency or because Howard disliked Serafinowicz's constant bashing of George Lucas.
Would love to know who idea it was to shoehorn Darth Maul at the very end…
I think Howard’s
@@Bulletsandblockbusters no pay off in the end
Solo's biggest problem was that The Last Jedi came out the year before. That movie singlehandedly ruined Star Wars.
You can say that. But my least favorite thing about The Last Jedi was that it was set in the stupid universe that The Force Awakens set up.
And it happens to suck
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No it didn't
Last Jedi killed Star Wars for me. I didn't even watch the next 2 movies. And I was a "wait in line for days to see a midnight showing" kind of fan. It ruined Star Wars for me. A complete dumpster fire. Like what you like, but I hated it.
Considering how good Lord and Miller's movies usually are, I really wished that we would've gotten their version of the movie since I've loved all the stuff that they make.
Disney also had another option to play a young Han Solo: Anthony Ingruber. Anthony had already played a younger version of a Harrison Ford character in Age of Adaline, and what would have been most important to a lot of fans is that he looks and sounds a lot like Harrison. They even hired Anthony Ingruber as the "young double" for Indiana Jones in the new film. As a counterpoint, while a good actor, Alden Ehrenreich really does not look and sound anything at all like Harrison.
Your videos are so spot on, sometimes I get so bummed I can’t make it through. Gentle anger suppressed. This one was very enjoyable. I do hope that makes sense.
I freakin love Solo, went to the Cinema four times to see it. Awesome Star Wars Story, really fun.
One thing I heard about them was that fleabag’s droid character was supposed to be a caricature of “wokeism” which i for one would’ve loved to see and would’ve aged very well but kathleen saw it and thought it was offensive and ended up making it into an actual “woke” character and fired them over that as well as other things
Define Woke
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Woke= Cultural Marxism. A woke person is someone who has been indoctrinated by Marxist ideologies. Also referred to as a "useful idiot".
Step one of the "Four steps for Communist ideological subversion". (Yuri Bezmenov, 1985)
Demoralization - this is a process which can take about 15-30 years to perform (a generation). During this stage, the moral fibre and integrity of the country is put into question, thereby creating doubt in the minds of the people. To do so, manipulation of the media and academia is required to influence young people. As the younger generation embraces new values, such as Marxism and Leninism, the older generation slowly loses control simply through attrition. Again, true facts no longer matter during this stage, but rather creating perceptions are of paramount importance.
Communism and Religion
Abolished - all religious and metaphysics is rejected. Engels and Lenin agreed that religion was a drug or “spiritual booze” and must be combated. *To them, atheism put into practice meant a “forcible overthrow of all existing social conditions.”*
Eliminating American exceptionalism, fundamental change of national identity, *structural deconstruction of foundational principles, elimination of religion. Embedding a new societal design upon the psyche of generations through ideological academia, peer pressure by elites upon academics and society to convince that prior values were inherently flawed, racist, prejudiced etc. National identity is diluted with aspersions toward historical references. National History is re-written, re-defined, and molded to fit the new intended behavioral model and create the new values.*
*“[T]he useful idiots, the leftists who are idealistically believing in the beauty of the Soviet socialist or Communist or whatever system,* when they get disillusioned, they become the worst enemies. That’s why my KGB instructors specifically made the point: never bother with leftists. Forget about these political prostitutes. Aim higher. [...] They serve a purpose only at the stage of destabilization of a nation. *For example, your leftists in the United States: all these professors and all these beautiful civil rights defenders. They are instrumental in the process of the subversion only to destabilize a nation. When their job is completed, they are not needed any more.* They know too much. Some of them, when they get disillusioned, when they see that Marxist-Leninists come to power-obviously they get offended-they think that they will come to power. That will never happen, of course. They will be lined up against the wall and shot.”
I heard that the Droid was meant to be a direct mockery of Kathleen Kennedy and it pissed her off so badly that she fired them over it.
I never knew any of this, thank you. I watched Solo about 2 years after it’s release and I really like it, especially compared to the recent Star Wars films of the era.
It's also important to note that none of the people involved bothered to discuss with Lucas how Han actually won the Falcon. If you read the original novel of ANH - you will find that the Sabacc dice were not a good luck charm - but were the dice that he won the ship with. Sabacc was not a card game in the original story.
The subplot pitting Maul’s criminal syndicate against this new Enfys Nest and her Cloud Rider Gang could have become a great new trilogy of its own…
Biggest problem in this movie for me is the fan service overload. They blew it all in the first flick so it’s oversaturated, and there’s nothing left to fill in even one sequel.
But I did really love this one overall. Fantastic casting, awesome action, an amazing score, and many memorable moments.
that does make me think the sequels could have been better - maybe getting all the fan service out of the way meant films 2 and 3 would have the real story - Maul, Xixor, Vader, qira... that sounds like it could have been cool
I find it ironic that this hit piece criticizes Lord and Miller for multiple takes of scenes when the reason that they were fired was that they stopped doing the huge number of extra takes that Kathleen Kennedy demanded so that she and her pet editor could cut the movie the way that they wanted. This has been the number one reason directors leave KK's Star Wars projects - not "creative differences" but directors finally refusing to allow Kennedy to create these films from the shadows while using her directors as a front (by the way, the current count is 18 directors eventually fired for this reason).
KK wasn't looking for extra takes, she was looking for extra coverage, which L&M weren't getting.
Lord and Miller did the same crap on their Spiderverse movies, so when you combine them and Kennedy you get a disaster.
Bring in diverse creative minds and then not let them be creative.
Lucasfilm did the same, which is why the prequels were such crap. For instance, I read interviews with some of the MANY writers hired to work on Indy 4's script (what became Crystal Skull) and Lucasfilm was described as a creative black hole where everyone was more concerned with pleasing their bosses than making good art. A truly bad experience for all involved.
Gareth Edwards should have been giving more Star wars films . He totally gets it
He was thrown off rogue one in post production and the film was recut with new scenes shot
@@Bulletsandblockbusters oh what I didn't realise that. Out of all the non Lucas films Rogue One felt like it could have been made alongside the original trilogy. It's just a really good film
Nah, disagree with this. You can’t keep citing overruns on set as a reasonable cause for firing and then proceed to reshoot 80% of the film. This was a simple case of Kasdan butting heads with Miller and Lord, there’s one directorial vision on set not two. Kennedy was nervous from Edwards similar practises on Rogue One (Gilroy and Edwards seemed to work well on reshoots together) and pulled the trigger too early. Lucasfilm deserves the films they have today.
I saw this once and only remember rolling my eyes at L3 repeatedly
Ehrenreich was okay though, I saw him with Ford's young face deepfaked on at the campfire scene, and you see he actually nailed a lot of the more subtle tics and mannerisms of the original Han Solo
Still wish we could see the original cut though, especially with most of the film already done by the time it changed directors
I completely disagree that the movie was "bland and nothing special". It's the only movie in the Disney (and prequel) era to capture the feel of the original trilogy. Im 54 years old now, and there were several times during Solo that I felt like 8 year old me again, watching the original in 1977. And people that knock Alden Ehrenrich for not looking or sounding like Harrison Ford, that's good. Because his job was to play Han Solo, not give an impersonation of Ford. He did his job and owned the role of young Han. My only complaints are how Han was given his last name. No defending that. And this is the rare movie that should add in the deleted scenes because they would've elevated the movie even more and given even more depth to the characters. #MakeSolo2Happen
I totally respect that and love that you dug it!
My OH was filmed as a specialist extra for Solo while L&M were the directors (a real musician pretending to play a fake harp like instrument--the prop is visible in the sticker book without a person playing it). All of that footage was cut except perhaps 1 second, backlit background at about 60 minutes in. Got well paid all the same, and got featured (playing a piano) in the "Denny's Diner" Solo tie-in advert (easily findable here on RUclips)
The strings on the prop weren't "playable" although the instrument possibly could have been made to sound if strung with real musical strings (steel, nylon or sheepgut).
THE DROID was the worst thing in the film
This movie is a little bit of a conundrum and it does indeed have some very rough moments and details. Donald Glover is one of the better actors in the movie and he really does brighten up the movie but Alden has good and bad moments too. It’s quite interesting to hear about what could’ve happened in a different version of the movie but the movie that we got is still very memorable and it’s better than the Disney sequels!
Solo felt like a Star Wars movie and was enjoyable -- it was just hard to get over the fact that the kids playing Han Solo was about 5'9 while Harrison Ford is 6'2.
My theory is that Chewy tried to pull Han’s arms and legs off in some kind of temper tantrum and it ended up stretching him to 6'2
LMAO
Absolutely really enjoyed solo it was alot of fun very underappreciated at the time but it would certainly be interesting to see the lord and miller cut of the movie for sure properly wont happen though but would be cool if they did release the alternative version
If they were trying to make a 21 Jump Street out of Solo, I am SO glad they were fired. Sure, the producers look to inject a style from certain directors, but when it's someone else's "toys", you find a common ground. FYI: Solo was an enjoyable movie. It and Rogue One were much better than the movies of the newer trilogy.
Honestly this is probably the purest and most uncomplicated Disney star wars film out, especially in retrospect.
The question of Lord and Miller's SOLO will forever haunt me, only more so after Spider-Man: Across the Universe, even if long before that film..
It sounds during Lord and Miller was the right decision if the crew clapped when they heard the news. Overworking cast out of directors not making up their minds is not something I can support regardless of results.
Kennedy getting pissed over directors going overtime is the funniest thing. If only she'd look at her reckless spending the same way...
The only thing I heard about this movie prior to Howard taking over, and I can't remember where I heard it, was that the movie was shaping up to be a LOT more comedic. Something akin to Ace Ventura. While that doesn't make sense from a Star Wars movie standpoint, and I don't know how someone could even attempt that in the Star Wars universe, it would make sense as to why they were let go if true.
I completely disagree about the love relationship with a droid. I think trivializes Lando's character not expands it and I always assumed the "strange dialect" of the Falcon mcame from all the hodge podge patch jobs from various ship sources over the years. All those different parts from different ships from different races, species, and planets of course the Falcon would have a weird dialect.
There were stories at the time that the lead actor was having to have acting lessons on set lol
This is somewhat mentioned.
Aldenreich was an accomplished actor by this point and needed no coaching to know HOW to act...
As was well reported at that time is what he sought was help in finding a way to meld the off script/off the wall improv technique of L&M with the need to find a characterization of Ford/Han at a much younger age so fans would most definitely experience a younger Han Solo not just some random actor ignoring the iconic but recreating the role his way.
He literally went out of his way to find a way to better create a young Solo based on the character in SW4/5/6...and has spent years often being lambasted for it.
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Upon taking over Lucas films, One of Kathleen Kennedy's primary objectives was to bring in a diverse range of emerging creative minds, aiming to infuse the franchise with new life and fresh perspectives.
And we all know how horribly that has gone.
So what your saying is "Lord and Miller shot first".
So nice to watch balanced, informed SW commentary; always something of a rarity.
Personally I really enjoy Solo, aside from a horrible first viewing where the projection was so dark that I couldn't tell who was who for long stretches, crucially including the opening Corellia scenes, Mimban & the Han/Chewie meet-cute, the gambling den and the Kessel mines. With subsequent brighter viewings, it became my favourite of the Disney-era movies.
I've spent far too many rewatches pondering what remains of Lord & Miller and what is all Howard. Bettany's Dryden is so good that I find it hard to imagine the original, and I find it hard to figure where Favreau's Rio fits into the production history (despite being a great character who deserved a longer run).
Honestly, this video made me like the movie more. Not just because I disagreed with some of the opinions and am rebellious (😉) , but bc it's interesting to think of all the things that could've happened in the movie, adds a bit of mystery in a Very expensive universe. To me, the greatest attribute to the movie is the gritty/dark emotional tone that you don't get at all in most Disney star wars, where every character feels indestructible and never down like Captain America
I heard a story that one of the producers came to the set one day and over the course of the day Lord and Miller hadn't gotten any work done. Which played a major part in them getting fired.
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If Kennedy didn’t like what she saw, that means it was probably incredible.
I really enjoyed Solo. Still wish Alden could return for at least one more appearance as Han.
#MakeSolo2Happen. Also Disney, said they're not gonna cast new actors, as younger versions of characters. Which I think isn’t a good idea because A: It paints a picture that Alden Ehrenreich and Donald Glover's portrayals of a young Han and Lando as the reason Solo bombed. (When really it was releasing it so close to Infinity War, and not long after the devisive release of TLJ.) And B, It could mean, that if Lucasfilm and Disney want to keep using younger versions of characters in live action, then that would mean de-aging and deep faking technology would be used much more frequently, which isn't really the best, especially if the original actors has died. But it seems like now Disney are trying to focus on new sides of Star Wars, or legacy characters that they don't need to recast or de-age. Though I personally welcome the idea of casting young actors as iconic characters, as long as they're are well chosen, and have had some coaching from either the legacy actor or their family. And also Solo, probably would've done much better had it been released in December like all the other Disney Star Wars films, but that's just me, and I'm thankful that Disney have realised that releasing a Star Wars movie every year isn’t s good idea, as Star Wars movies are special when they feel like an event, like TPM and TFA. Also the Wookie language is called Shriywook, pronounced SHRI-WOOK. And the bartender's name is Wuher.
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Who to play Han Solo ?
ANTHONY INGRUBER !!!
he would have NAILED IT !
I always assumed if we saw L&M's version it would have been radically different than Howard's movie. But what's revealed here suggests that the events would have all been the same, it just wouldn't have taken itself quite as seriously. It was never going to be a laugh-a-minute LEGO movie thing. And the fact that L3 came from L&M, well...
On-screen work of the main boy was admirable
Solo A Star Wars Story
is absolutely fantastic and such a joy to watch.
It's so cool and amazing to see how Han & Chewbeacca first met and formed their bond of friendship & loyalty to one another.
It is an Underrated Gem of a film and deserves a sequel.
One that shows how Han & Chewbacca got into debt to Jabba The Hut
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How Lando established Cloud City and rose to be its administrator.
big problem, it was a movie about a backstory nobody asked for
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Lol, you just described the prequel trilogy.
Han Solo had an interesting backstory in Legends that I would’ve like to see in film form. I still like Solo: a Star Wars movie, but the execution and focus was pretty poor.
@@lookingforwookiecopilotabsolutely not true lol
@@Yeeyeeenation Nope, its true. Back in the 80's and 90's everyone wanted more Han, Luke, and, Leia, not the origin story of a side character and the villain.
Hard disagree on Lando’s droid relationship. It was beyond stupid, another disney star wars shark jump.
I was a life long Star Wars fan. Then I saw Last Jedi. After that film I was so HORRIFIED by what Star Wars had become, I couldn’t justify spending money on Solo. I doubt I was alone in that and that’s probably why the film did so poorly.
It wasn’t THAT bad cmon
While I did fork out for a (half price) ticket to see The Rise of Skywalker, just because I wanted to see what parts of TLJ Abrams might retcon, no other Star Wars film (nor any TV series) did I watch after TLJ. That was the bottom for me also. In fact it made me seek out the 4K77, 4K80 and 4K83 versions of the original trilogy - they're my Star Wars now, as they once always were. Nothing else really happened in my Star Wars universe, not the special editions nor even the prequels. I've retconned it all in my mind.
@@FrancisXLord if you saw rogue one I would recommend watching the Andor show. It’s really something special among the trash of Disney
I truly believe that this version would be terrible and the fans would hate it
Fuck the fans. You know nothing about L&M’s films.
Alden is a great actor and did a great job acting in the role, but I knew this movie was going down the drain as soon as Disney dismissed the idea of Anthony Ingruber. The only way to do a young Han Solo and to have the fans accept it, is to do a Han Solo impersonation, and Alden was not the right guy for that task. Ingruber was the only actor who could pull off a convincing young Han Solo being a great impressionist, having studied Harrison Ford's mannerisms, having already portrayed a younger version, and looking very much like a young Harrison Ford. It's a shame they didn't use him.
The writing of Solo was digging back to Han Solo's "YOUNG" days. So, there is no way to find a 'YOUNG' Harrison Ford. The later movies had an Older Han Solo. I appreciated the difference attempted. Sorry if I'm being lame🐻
Solo was a strange movie. It was a movie I had no interest in at all but wound up loving it. It was a FUN movie. Rouge One and Solo are the best Disney Star Wars films. I wish they had stuck with the Anthology films. We would have gotten the Boba Fett and Kenobi films by now. I think the issue with the improvisation is that at that time, they were trying to keep things connected. If an actor made up a line in this movie that conflicts with another film, that would make things problematic. I think Alden Ehrenreich did great as a young Han. He didn't look or sound like like Harrison but I think he got his mannerisms right.
Fascinating how all my favorite scenes (which also comprise the only parts of Solo I actually remember) are all from Lord and Miller's version of the film... hrm...
Having Lando, pimp supreme of the galaxy, fall for a robot, was even stupider than the Ewoks defeating the Empire.
Remember when the fans were trying to take credit away from Lucas and thought Lawerence Kasdan was the messiah of Star Wars? And then he turned out to help ruin episode 7 and write a boring solo movie (with his equally boring son)
Should’ve been a Disney plus show
When you have Donald Glover signed to the picture, you call it LANDO and tell a story the audience hasn't seen before with a character far less developed than Han Solo. That was the critical mistake.
Solo was awesome!!!! May the force be with you.
How do so many people fail to remember there was a massive boycott made by the fans against Solo in rebuttal to TLJ, and Kennedy was aware of this so she responded to the boycotters not by addressing her wrongs BUT pulling the plug on the Kenobi movie, Boba Fett, and etc
Just like any good story, start in the middle. Like with the train heist or something. (You pick) The need to fulfill audience expectations killed the pace. How he got the Falcon from Lando could have been enough in this one, with the anticipation of the other references, meeting Chewie, the Kessel Run, saved for other films. It doesn't matter which ones you choose, but this film was so laden with backstory from the other films it made it dull. Any creative writing class worth its salt would have said "Don't do that."
I wish Solo was an animated movie. Star Wars thrives in animation.
I think the movie is still very enjoyable and rewatchable - I think the cinematography , lighting setups and HDR could have been tweaked a bit more but this was a great solid Han Solo adventure flick
I found the cinematography very dark and muddy. Some of the darker scenes it was hard to tell what I was looking at.
@@Bulletsandblockbusters yep that’s what I was aiming at , entirely agree
I guess I'm the only one who loves this film. lol
Haha plenty do!
As a kid who eagerly sat in theaters numerous times in 1977...80...83
...and an eager adult with the prequels...
I find Solo to be THE best of the Disney films...it's a damn fine SW tale.
@@BulletsandblockbustersCount me among them! I think this movie had plenty of great moments and action, and the characters tracked well with their older established counterparts. Personally, they did such a great job with Q'ira that I prefer her to Leia as Han's love interest.
I genuinely didn't think it was a bad movie. I think people jumped on the hate Disney band wagon too quickly and too easily and never gave it a chance. Yup it has some bad stuff in it but it's way better than the last jedi and rise of the shitwalker
Go watch Lord & Miller’s films and you’ll see why Solo is a big steaming pile of shit.
I do think that Lorde and Miller version of solo would’ve been something similar to 21 Jump Street in space.
I'd really like to see Lord and Miller's cut. I'm sure that would much more interesting than we saw. The only thing I liked about Solo was Qi'ra because I relate to her very much.
couldn't agreed less, Solo is impeccable, recently asked online 460 liked and 58 didn't, which proves haters make far more noise than the rest of us, sorry.....
I remember hearing at the time that the dailies looked "...like a Guardians of the Galaxy rip-off...", and didn't suit the Star Wars aesthetics they were going for.
The Marvel-ization of most action movies has been excruciating. Cheesy, sitcom-level one-liners and tons of snarky, immature dialogue that makes the adult characters all seem like teenagers and that completely kills any build-up of tension. That and the unfocused scripts and absolutely bloated run-times.
There are those Star Wars fans who hate L3-3T, and those Star Wars fans who are wrong. That was one of the worst things ever in a sea of Disney/Lucasfilm garbage. In George's vision, all droids are property, no more, no less. Some denizens of the galaxy treat droids well, others do not, but droids are property and the idea of droid independence is contrary, especially in a prequel. Also, the "relationship" between the droid and Lando obliterated Lando's suave, ladykiller charm. Finally, uploading the droid's brain into the Millennium Falcon's navigation computer neuters Han Solo's piloting skills, as shown in the main trilogy. C3P0's line about the Falcon's weird dialect was explained by Han in A New Hope: "I've made special modifications" meaning that not all the components were fully compatible. L3-3T was utter indefensible trash, full stop.
I actually liked the film. Though my one huge gripe was having the Sith lord try to intimidate someone with his sabre on Zoom. Pointless, distasteful and frankly tactically counterproductive. It just makes him seem like an average hot tempered bouncer roleplaying COO for the call because the boss wasn't in. Its not scary, its sad and kinda makes me feel that the other person would play along and appear intimidated out of sympathy not fear, not respect, just pity.
Edit that said, the music, the acting, the setting (most people aren't force sensitive and we finally get to see that), the space travelling. So many positives and so much potential. This film could have opened the door to a bridge between Star Trek and Star Wars, where some people are just going along their business and run into all sorts of awesome adventures, finding lost treasures, strange species, hightech wonders, and all sorts of things with all things Star Wars serving as the backdrop. Like the games, it really really had a ton of potential.
Solo’s low box office was, at least partially, and perhaps significantly, due to The Last Jedi.
I have only seen this movie once. I enjoyed it though.
When we will all admit Disney ruined Star Wars and Marvel. The first problem with this movie was Harrison Ford wasn’t in it. They tried telling a story of a young Han, when Harrison was young in Star Wars, so it was glaringly obvious it wasn’t Han. The rest of the problem was all Disney.
In Kasdan''s defense, he's behind three of the top grossing movies of all time.
The reason the film failed and you failed to mention it, was because of the sequels. People were actively stating on titter that were not going to go see Solo because of what KK had done to the sequels.
Ah, Solo...the movie nobody wanted. I honestly think almost all fans would've answered the same way as Harrison Ford if asked whether they were excited about a Han Solo movie.
Everyone would much rather have had a good Obi-Wan Kenobi movie (rather than an awful and canon-breaking series).
That being said, Solo wasn't as bad as a lot of the social media rage would have you think.
To me it was just a bit of forgettable, disposable fun.
But the problem is that pre-Disney, Star Wars had never been forgettable or disposable. Never.
Disney have shown time and again that they simply don't get Star Wars, what it is or what to do with it.
And I just can't see that changing at all in the future.
100%
Anthony Ingruber could have played that role, infact he has played a younger Harrison pretty convincingly in age of adeline... he was the obvious choice, consider the leia in rogue one, luke Skywalker in mandalorian... they have obviously opted to a recreation of the original actors...in the clip attached imagine if he had played Han in solo a star wars story... people would have paid just to watch him feel frighteningly similar to Harrison ruclips.net/video/vwLv993khfI/видео.html
Another great video! I always enjoy watching this movie, but for some reason it never feels like a Star Wars movie, I think it’s the way they filmed it, but not sure what it is
I’ve always found the picture so dark and muddy. I can’t tell what I’m even looking at half the time.
@@Bulletsandblockbusters I didn't have that problem in the theater, but most certainly do watching it at home,...or on an airliner.
Same! I never saw it in theatres 😬
Kathleen must be pretty bumed nowadays considering these guys just released possibly the best superhero movie ever...😭
I didn't know they wrote Morbius.