Have a fantastic Thanksgiving!! Appreciate all of you hard working, hustling, elk shape subscribers. I think Dan even gives a hall pass for ice cream on Thanksgiving. Don't quote me on that, but have a great day ya'll... And we've got some V3X 33 tinks coming in hot... Tim & Dan
You are the first person I have ever heard talk about blind bailing, other than the guy who taught me back in the mid-80s. We hear about blank bailing but not shutting our eyes. It's the same way I teach. Blind bailing is an amazing way to take a struggling shooter with a good basic form to the next level. I really like how you did that session. It held me to the end.
Thank you for the hours you put into episodes. Preproduction, production, and post. It's been fun watching you try to find your creative energy with the editing too. I hope you and the family have a great thanksgiving.
Great video, great tip from Josh on watching the target rather than the sight was awesome I didn’t think of that but it helped me heaps . Hi from Australia
It is remarkable how shooting a bow can be such a scientific undertaking. It isn't "just rip it" - there are a lot of factors that one has to account for and control. In the Army, looking through your sights at the bullseye was called "bull gazing" and it was a no-go. In archery, focusing on your sights is a no-no - remarkable. Thanks for the great video
Tim i do the same exact thing look at the target then level my bubble then the pins then back to the target. it seems to work well for my shot but I do experience the "speed wabbles".i will be giving this a try. thanks for the vid thismorning and happy thanks giving Dan and his fam, Tim and your fam and Mfjj and your family. later guys!
You two should do another in depth video on the shot process with a hinge from start to finish. The different ways to fire a hinge, he he prefers, what you prefer and what works "best." I have personally found three that work but in my opinion it really comes down too perfect form and proper bow hand, bow arm, shoulders, release arm, release hand. I feel after I acquire the target, draw, anchor (click is immediately as I come off of the UV bracket thumb pad), if I concentrate on squaring up my shoulders perfectly in line to the target, the hinge breaks. I guess in a sense when i line up my shoulders, one directly behind the other, I am actually bringing my scapulas together with a consistent push and pull. It's kinda all the same thing when we finally figure out the process. It's pretty damn satisfying! Love JJ's tip on the guy shooting 5 feet from the target with the lights off.
I really like this information and working on the problems Josh is such a great teacher and willing to share God's Blessings I would like to get in on your bow drawings I'm not a tex person I watch all your RUclips videos
Everyone knows to focus on the target, but it’s so common to go back and forth between pins and target because that’s just natural. Like Joel Turner always says, it has to be a conscious effort. This was a great video… thanks for the reminder
Hope you all have a great thanksgiving I started learning a thumb release this year and I have same issues I started blank bailing from like 10 feet and it’s really helped
How do you pull through the shot? with your back? tip of your elbow? so many different ways. i’ve learned how to shoot like 50 different ways and I just want one way to stick!!!
Tim...I am also fairly new to shooting a Hinge, resistance and proper shot execution in the past year or so. Can you ask Josh this question for me. If your focus is 100% at what you are aiming at, at what point (if ever) do you think or allow your brain to switch attention to the release hand and the process? Are we supposed to "think" about the rotation of the release, "yielding", releaxing the release hand to allow the hinge to fire. Is it something we should or shouldn't be thinking about. I feel you somewhat have to think about it because it the final part of the process. I hope this makes sense.
I have a question. So when we first draw our bow is it better to immediately eliminate the pins and just stare directly at the target? Or would it be okay to briefly use the pins after drawing and then looking through to the target?
Hey Tim maybe look into the way the bow is balanced, as far as back bar position and weight. The perfect set up I have found when set up right, basically takes the bubble out of equation. So that when you draw back the bow is already level, so if you can figure out that sweet spot for your set up, it would give you one less thing for the brain to think about. As always love the content and hope you have a great Thanksgiving
I was about to comment the same thing. He is way off level everytime he draws back and then has to fight the bow back to level. Eliminating that will definitely help the overall shot
I would be interested to meet someone who can out shoot me with a "Hinge Release". Not only at a target but also on an animal. I shoot a trigger wrist strap release. I just don't like this narrative that shooting a hinge is the correct way and not shooting a hinge is the incorrect way. Hinges definitely have a place in competition. But hunting situations are way to variable to replicate the "perfect break" every time. Just my opinion I'm sure others have theirs. To add to that, if you fixed the me mental things that MFJJ spoke about then you will get better no matter what release you lose.
A hinge or back tension just instills proper shot technique and eliminates target panic if done correctly. I had target panic and didnt even realize it until i switched from a wrist strap over to a back tension. Nothing really correct or incorrect but its all about repeating that process over and over. Theres great target shooters who trigger punch and have target panic but they just are able to do it consistently well
In one other their other videos MFJJ says he uses a hinge except for hunting. I think that's maybe a common sentiment because sometimes you must command that shot, and I think trying to do that with a hinge is way harder than something with a trigger.
@@MegaBastt thats exactly why i practice with a back tension and hunt with a thumb barrel style handheld. I have a thumb button, back tension, and hinge.
👍 so many people NEED to watch good videos like this one. Good equipment is great but getting into the proper process is " the bottom line". One thing I've learned is one needs to be in the best " archery" shape possible for them. If you're straining and fighting it don't worry. Lower the draw weight and go shoot with each shot thebest you can. Never fire a shot you aren't comfortable with. Let down and start over the entire shot sequence. Eventually you will become so used to proper technique it will be an unconscious action. Form is everything, equipment is secondary IMO.
Brand new to the sport as of yesterday. At the pro shop through the process of testing bows, then tuning the one I bought, I noticed I was fairly fatigued due to shooting so much. This video got me thinking, would it be more beneficial to shoot and train my body on the shot process/strengthen my muscle groups without a target and not even having grouped and zeroed? I found I wasn’t very stable once trying to zero that same day so I stopped before I got sloppy in the shot process. Any tips would be greatly appreciated. Also this channel is a big reason I decided to get into archery so thank you for the great content!
Ive been into bowhunting and archery since about 2014 and i never really knew or realized that you aren’t supposed to focus on your pin but the target beyond your pin, maybe i was doing this all along subconsciously but idk now loll
Lots of good tips in this video. I would lower your bow poundage by 10-15 lbs Your 3rd shot in your already shaking. I’m not saying your not cable of drawing 70lbs but if you want to focus on correct form and execution you need to be completely relaxed. Get lots of reps in and slowing build up the weight once the form and shot execution is correct and second nature. Happy thanksgiving
Hi Tim. Sight picture. Focusing down there. Love vids like this! Stuff your working through and being real and transparent! Josh teaching u is Josh teaching us. More please. But need a new name for the series. : )
Tim it looks like you have that rear bar kicked too far out. Every time you draw you're canted left and have to readjust right. Could be one more thing you don't have to think about if you tinker it into a position where you draw the bow level to start with. Just a thought, enjoy your turkey day!
One thing I saw is that your top cam was way to the left then you brought it to center. Could be a grip issue or a balance issue. Id start playing with your stabilizer set up
I'm pretty sure you're stabilizer setup isn't correct. Every time you draw your bow the top of your bow is leaning left. You then torque your bow to the right to level your bubble. Try moving your side bar stabilizer in towards the bow, or remove some weight from it. Then the bow will draw level.
MFJJ, at what yardage does leveling the bubble become necessary. I only hunt whitetails on the east coast and never shot at a deer over 30 yds. After starting to “burn a hole” in the target instead of minding my pin I’ve shot better not even paying attention to the bubble.
I'm trying to shoot resistance release as soon as I start pulling my brain knows the bow is going to fire and the pin movement is horrible advice needed. I have target panic when shooting animals punching trigger is my problem. I don't punch when practicing.
I slowly forgot that i has to look at the starget and I focused so much on my pin them Istarted to yank the handle of the hinge I am using so I got target pánico that way but I Focus on my pin to much
Maybe do a video where your test different drawer lengths long and too short then tell us what your think along the way. Quarter in increments if possible!
@@ElkShape please do. I’ve been shooting a hinge for about six months and keep going back and forth b/t click and no click. There are pluses and minuses to both but I think the no click give me more of a surprise release.
I shoot better when using focusing on the target more. So its easier to shoot both eyes open....kinda like rifle shooting....chris kile American sniper..it works
Too short = no such thing. You can fix a majority of shooting flaws without every firing an arrow off. It really depends on your ability to replicate what you worked on last time and set it to muscle memory. If you are new to archery then obviously more is better. If you have been shooting a very long time and you have good form and techniques then it isn't as critical to shoot all the time. But remember, practice builds confidence. If you don't have enough confidence you won't be able to execute when the pressure is on.
I am also defintley not a pro . i only try hard but try things like when you drive your car and when you come to an cross . watch the street but try to perceive the turning signal lamp. As the same principe you can work with your sight picture. Starr and focus on the street but you can perceive the car turn signal or fuellamp or stuff . The same i work with my sightpicture. i dont realy see the bubble sharp . Its more a edge perception . Hope you understand my shitty english 😜🤘🏼🤜🏼🤛🏼 Keep going with your nice content . Love Elkshape 💪🏼👌🏼
Think your trying to hard and thinking about it way to much draw your bow pick a spot and shoot it put that hinge on the shelf if you can't use it and go back to a trigger and shoot your bow the release is causing you head problems in your head it's not hard you can shoot really good in more than just his way he may be great but he sure ain't god shooting a bow can be done multiple ways and there great shooters that shoot a trigger release like really good shooters don't Think that you have to because all your cool hip buddies are try a different bow that isn't sponsoring you maybe you will like it be your self dude and shoot
@@ElkShape lol I'm nobody just trying to tell you what would easily work for you you are just starting out and clearly learning you need to walk before you run some people are naturals and it comes easy some are not and need alot of help you may be that guy But there is easier ways then starting out with a hinge and some bow that sounds awesome and looks great and everyone is shooting it start out with something smooth and easy to shoot like a elite energy 35 or something forgiving and easy to shoot then move on to the latest and greatest your a normal dude you do what you want bud but when your tired of him standing there shaking his head cause you are not getting it it will be time then to do your thing your way and practice it and practice it you don't even look comfortable or relaxed shooting Infront of mfjj you know it quit trying so hard lol maybe you are getting it and you just need to practice alot I'm a idiot as you can clearly see but once you get to where you can really shoot then you will have to do that on live animals Wich will be the real challenge for you and your hinge best of luck to ya everyone Is pulling for ya even me I'm just saying try a few things for you this cookie cutter BS isn't archery watch anyone even pros shoot and everyone does different stuff and different everything good luck PS see if mfjj can slip out to a tac event with you guys like to see him whoop everyone 😉
Have a fantastic Thanksgiving!! Appreciate all of you hard working, hustling, elk shape subscribers.
I think Dan even gives a hall pass for ice cream on Thanksgiving. Don't quote me on that, but have a great day ya'll... And we've got some V3X 33 tinks coming in hot... Tim & Dan
How humbling to have a gentleman like that to take his time to help others right on
You are the first person I have ever heard talk about blind bailing, other than the guy who taught me back in the mid-80s. We hear about blank bailing but not shutting our eyes. It's the same way I teach. Blind bailing is an amazing way to take a struggling shooter with a good basic form to the next level. I really like how you did that session. It held me to the end.
Blind bailing is a great way to learn your firing engine for any release.
Thank you for the hours you put into episodes. Preproduction, production, and post. It's been fun watching you try to find your creative energy with the editing too.
I hope you and the family have a great thanksgiving.
Would love to see the TAC event with you, Dan, and MFJJ.
JJ truly is the master.
MFJJ should really be “MTJJ”…Master Teacher! Excellent instruction on Target Focus.
He's super helpful! - TC
Loved this. “Speed wobbles” are real and I’m heading out right now to focusing on that x and not my pin.
Thank you guys for another great video 💪🏻
Tim is great for this channel. It's a great mix.
Thank you my G - TC
Great video, great tip from Josh on watching the target rather than the sight was awesome I didn’t think of that but it helped me heaps . Hi from Australia
I Wish I Wasn't So Far Away From Josh🤦♂️!!! He is an awesome tech, & teacher!! Your doing awesome Tim👍!!!!!
It is remarkable how shooting a bow can be such a scientific undertaking. It isn't "just rip it" - there are a lot of factors that one has to account for and control. In the Army, looking through your sights at the bullseye was called "bull gazing" and it was a no-go. In archery, focusing on your sights is a no-no - remarkable. Thanks for the great video
It's far more technical than appears at a glance.. To be good! - TC
Very great coaching! Many thanks MFJJ…I like your passion to share
Glad you enjoyed it!
I would love to see more shooting tips videos. Especially shooting tips on long range shoots.
Tim i do the same exact thing look at the target then level my bubble then the pins then back to the target. it seems to work well for my shot but I do experience the "speed wabbles".i will be giving this a try. thanks for the vid thismorning and happy thanks giving Dan and his fam, Tim and your fam and Mfjj and your family. later guys!
You two should do another in depth video on the shot process with a hinge from start to finish. The different ways to fire a hinge, he he prefers, what you prefer and what works "best." I have personally found three that work but in my opinion it really comes down too perfect form and proper bow hand, bow arm, shoulders, release arm, release hand. I feel after I acquire the target, draw, anchor (click is immediately as I come off of the UV bracket thumb pad), if I concentrate on squaring up my shoulders perfectly in line to the target, the hinge breaks. I guess in a sense when i line up my shoulders, one directly behind the other, I am actually bringing my scapulas together with a consistent push and pull. It's kinda all the same thing when we finally figure out the process. It's pretty damn satisfying! Love JJ's tip on the guy shooting 5 feet from the target with the lights off.
I really like this information and working on the problems Josh is such a great teacher and willing to share God's Blessings I would like to get in on your bow drawings I'm not a tex person I watch all your RUclips videos
Everyone knows to focus on the target, but it’s so common to go back and forth between pins and target because that’s just natural. Like Joel Turner always says, it has to be a conscious effort. This was a great video… thanks for the reminder
Another great video Tim!!! Hell of a team, keep up the good work!
Thanks my G
Hope you all have a great thanksgiving
I started learning a thumb release this year and I have same issues
I started blank bailing from like 10 feet and it’s really helped
How do you pull through the shot? with your back? tip of your elbow? so many different ways. i’ve learned how to shoot like 50 different ways and I just want one way to stick!!!
I love this series. Feel like I’m on the same boat as Tim and learned a lot.
Great tips, great video. Simple and concise instruction. Thanks guys.
Mfjj is the man
He’s a good egg
Tim...I am also fairly new to shooting a Hinge, resistance and proper shot execution in the past year or so. Can you ask Josh this question for me. If your focus is 100% at what you are aiming at, at what point (if ever) do you think or allow your brain to switch attention to the release hand and the process? Are we supposed to "think" about the rotation of the release, "yielding", releaxing the release hand to allow the hinge to fire. Is it something we should or shouldn't be thinking about. I feel you somewhat have to think about it because it the final part of the process. I hope this makes sense.
Thanks for this. This year has been a struggle with my bow. Time to get to work.
brick by brick
I have a question. So when we first draw our bow is it better to immediately eliminate the pins and just stare directly at the target? Or would it be okay to briefly use the pins after drawing and then looking through to the target?
Hey Tim maybe look into the way the bow is balanced, as far as back bar position and weight. The perfect set up I have found when set up right, basically takes the bubble out of equation. So that when you draw back the bow is already level, so if you can figure out that sweet spot for your set up, it would give you one less thing for the brain to think about. As always love the content and hope you have a great Thanksgiving
I was about to comment the same thing. He is way off level everytime he draws back and then has to fight the bow back to level. Eliminating that will definitely help the overall shot
When pulling back , do you rise to your target or drop to your target ? And what is correct ?
I would be interested to meet someone who can out shoot me with a "Hinge Release". Not only at a target but also on an animal. I shoot a trigger wrist strap release. I just don't like this narrative that shooting a hinge is the correct way and not shooting a hinge is the incorrect way. Hinges definitely have a place in competition. But hunting situations are way to variable to replicate the "perfect break" every time. Just my opinion I'm sure others have theirs.
To add to that, if you fixed the me mental things that MFJJ spoke about then you will get better no matter what release you lose.
A hinge or back tension just instills proper shot technique and eliminates target panic if done correctly. I had target panic and didnt even realize it until i switched from a wrist strap over to a back tension. Nothing really correct or incorrect but its all about repeating that process over and over. Theres great target shooters who trigger punch and have target panic but they just are able to do it consistently well
In one other their other videos MFJJ says he uses a hinge except for hunting. I think that's maybe a common sentiment because sometimes you must command that shot, and I think trying to do that with a hinge is way harder than something with a trigger.
@@MegaBastt thats exactly why i practice with a back tension and hunt with a thumb barrel style handheld. I have a thumb button, back tension, and hinge.
👍 so many people NEED to watch good videos like this one. Good equipment is great but getting into the proper process is " the bottom line". One thing I've learned is one needs to be in the best " archery" shape possible for them. If you're straining and fighting it don't worry. Lower the draw weight and go shoot with each shot thebest you can. Never fire a shot you aren't comfortable with. Let down and start over the entire shot sequence. Eventually you will become so used to proper technique it will be an unconscious action. Form is everything, equipment is secondary IMO.
Good information can be hard to come by.. We're lucky that Josh is so willing to share - TC
Thanks I learned a lot from MFJJ and the elk shape guys
Brand new to the sport as of yesterday. At the pro shop through the process of testing bows, then tuning the one I bought, I noticed I was fairly fatigued due to shooting so much. This video got me thinking, would it be more beneficial to shoot and train my body on the shot process/strengthen my muscle groups without a target and not even having grouped and zeroed? I found I wasn’t very stable once trying to zero that same day so I stopped before I got sloppy in the shot process. Any tips would be greatly appreciated. Also this channel is a big reason I decided to get into archery so thank you for the great content!
Another awesome video, you guys are killing it.
We try hard 🤘🤘
Ive been into bowhunting and archery since about 2014 and i never really knew or realized that you aren’t supposed to focus on your pin but the target beyond your pin, maybe i was doing this all along subconsciously but idk now loll
Thanks for the episode! I’ll start working on this as well.
Speed the hinge up a little to help with the shake.
Okay, today I will try just staring at the target. Wish me luck.
Your shot cycle (holding time) is about 9-10 Seconds. What is the ideal shot cycle time you should strive for?
Lots of good tips in this video.
I would lower your bow poundage by 10-15 lbs
Your 3rd shot in your already shaking.
I’m not saying your not cable of drawing 70lbs but if you want to focus on correct form and execution you need to be completely relaxed.
Get lots of reps in and slowing build up the weight once the form and shot execution is correct and second nature.
Happy thanksgiving
I don't put these videos out asking for help from the internet. It's simply to share my experience with Josh. - TC
Hi Tim. Sight picture. Focusing down there. Love vids like this! Stuff your working through and being real and transparent! Josh teaching u is Josh teaching us. More please. But need a new name for the series. : )
Its night and I cant shoot but...Tomorrow I'm going to work on these things. Great video Thanks
Tim it looks like you have that rear bar kicked too far out. Every time you draw you're canted left and have to readjust right. Could be one more thing you don't have to think about if you tinker it into a position where you draw the bow level to start with.
Just a thought, enjoy your turkey day!
It's the opposite for pistol shooting...front sight...front sight...I have to unlearn this when I shoot my bow...struggling.
Do you focus on the target with both eyes open ?
One thing I saw is that your top cam was way to the left then you brought it to center.
Could be a grip issue or a balance issue. Id start playing with your stabilizer set up
I'm pretty sure you're stabilizer setup isn't correct. Every time you draw your bow the top of your bow is leaning left. You then torque your bow to the right to level your bubble. Try moving your side bar stabilizer in towards the bow, or remove some weight from it. Then the bow will draw level.
MFJJ, at what yardage does leveling the bubble become necessary. I only hunt whitetails on the east coast and never shot at a deer over 30 yds. After starting to “burn a hole” in the target instead of minding my pin I’ve shot better not even paying attention to the bubble.
I'm trying to shoot resistance release as soon as I start pulling my brain knows the bow is going to fire and the pin movement is horrible advice needed. I have target panic when shooting animals punching trigger is my problem. I don't punch when practicing.
So U put pin on the spot first and then focus on the target?
Great content keep it up!
The way he stores his arrows in his truck gives me anxiety 😂😂😂
lol Dan doesn't approve of my arrow storage either - TC
Happy Thanksgiving! What pants are those?
I have a cap like Tim..... LOL
We shop at the same places.
I slowly forgot that i has to look at the starget and I focused so much on my pin them Istarted to yank the handle of the hinge I am using so I got target pánico that way but I Focus on my pin to much
it happens! you can work through it
Great video! Have a great Thanksgiving guys.
You as well John!
Great video tough to put yourself out there like your are! Kinda looks like draw is still long... Might help the shakes
Maybe do a video where your test different drawer lengths long and too short then tell us what your think along the way. Quarter in increments if possible!
You are shooting with the bow stand still on?
Yes, commonly - TC
@mfjj, could your share your perspective on shooting a hinge with or without a click?
that could be a solid vid idea - TC
@@ElkShape please do. I’ve been shooting a hinge for about six months and keep going back and forth b/t click and no click. There are pluses and minuses to both but I think the no click give me more of a surprise release.
HOLY bow heaven🤤
Good information
Thanks
Nuggets!
I shoot better when using focusing on the target more. So its easier to shoot both eyes open....kinda like rifle shooting....chris kile American sniper..it works
How long does a good practice session last and how many practice sessions a month do I need to be a good archer.
Too short = no such thing. You can fix a majority of shooting flaws without every firing an arrow off.
It really depends on your ability to replicate what you worked on last time and set it to muscle memory. If you are new to archery then obviously more is better. If you have been shooting a very long time and you have good form and techniques then it isn't as critical to shoot all the time. But remember, practice builds confidence. If you don't have enough confidence you won't be able to execute when the pressure is on.
Take down Dan, eh? Can't wait to see/hear the pre and post shoot off press conference! What's your fighter name, Tim? I'm thinking "The Taunter" 🤣
I definitely need one.. #tacWIN2022 !!!! - TC
Timmy tight pants!
JK.
Love the content. Keep it up and can wait to see the hunt videos!
I am also defintley not a pro . i only try hard but try things like when you drive your car and when you come to an cross . watch the street but try to
perceive the turning signal lamp. As the same principe you can work with your sight picture. Starr and focus on the street but you can perceive the car turn signal or fuellamp or stuff . The same i work with my sightpicture. i dont realy see the bubble sharp . Its more a edge perception . Hope you understand my shitty english 😜🤘🏼🤜🏼🤛🏼
Keep going with your nice content . Love Elkshape 💪🏼👌🏼
v3x 33 how come no one speed test for 75lb
What Mfjj says about shooting a hinge being a marriage is true. I can’t go back to button or tension. It’s hinge for life.
What does MFJJ stand for?
Think your trying to hard and thinking about it way to much draw your bow pick a spot and shoot it put that hinge on the shelf if you can't use it and go back to a trigger and shoot your bow the release is causing you head problems in your head it's not hard you can shoot really good in more than just his way he may be great but he sure ain't god shooting a bow can be done multiple ways and there great shooters that shoot a trigger release like really good shooters don't Think that you have to because all your cool hip buddies are try a different bow that isn't sponsoring you maybe you will like it be your self dude and shoot
i think you should take your wisdom and start a youtube channel... it's a free platform and you can tell everyone how smart you are - TC
@@ElkShape lol I'm nobody just trying to tell you what would easily work for you you are just starting out and clearly learning you need to walk before you run some people are naturals and it comes easy some are not and need alot of help you may be that guy But there is easier ways then starting out with a hinge and some bow that sounds awesome and looks great and everyone is shooting it start out with something smooth and easy to shoot like a elite energy 35 or something forgiving and easy to shoot then move on to the latest and greatest your a normal dude you do what you want bud but when your tired of him standing there shaking his head cause you are not getting it it will be time then to do your thing your way and practice it and practice it you don't even look comfortable or relaxed shooting Infront of mfjj you know it quit trying so hard lol maybe you are getting it and you just need to practice alot I'm a idiot as you can clearly see but once you get to where you can really shoot then you will have to do that on live animals Wich will be the real challenge for you and your hinge best of luck to ya everyone Is pulling for ya even me I'm just saying try a few things for you this cookie cutter BS isn't archery watch anyone even pros shoot and everyone does different stuff and different everything good luck PS see if mfjj can slip out to a tac event with you guys like to see him whoop everyone 😉