'Liz Truss was described by people as acting like a Queen. Power goes to your head' | Lord Owen
HTML-код
- Опубликовано: 16 мар 2023
- ‘Liz Truss was described by people as acting regally, like a Queen. Power goes to your head and we need to be aware of it.’
Lord David Owen tells @MattChorley which Prime Ministers he thinks have hubris syndrome.
---
Times Radio brings you the latest breaking news, expert analysis and well-informed discussion on the biggest stories of the day.
📻 Listen now - www.thetimes.co.uk/radio
Follow Times Radio on social:
🔵 Facebook
/ thetimesradio
🔵 Twitter
/ timesradio
🔵 Instagram
/ timesradio
Subscribe here: / @listentotimesradio
This interview makes you realise the poor quality of politicians today.
Everyone laughs at Truss but it is scandalous that she and Johnson continue to get an allowance after performing so badly in their jobs
Precisely why they became Prime Ministers ... Greedy Sods. Beats writing Auto Biographies. Money for LIFE for doing SWEET FA at the Tax Payer's Expense whilst MILLIONS have the daily dilemma of HEAT OR EAT.
Boris should be in jail. If Trump can get indicted, I don't see why we shouldn't put Johnson in the nick. He's done a lot of bad stuff.
I agree about Liz Truss but view Boris and May rather better. I think many of my editors would rather judge me not very differently from Hastings and Seldons view of Boris. While I am sure I could write a vastly better book about Churchill than Boris, I consider Johnson a far better politician than Cameron, Osborne who proved the last strains of the diluted landed aristocracy were wiped out in WW2, Korea and post war Eton by the usual. Boris at least was vigorously hetrosexual and from my reading understood that real power is determined by who was selected to edit the Bible since the King James version and likewise theDMS4/5. My opposition isto religion, the Catholic Church and fundamentalism not the Bible. My favourite reading indeed sustaining in the first month's of my NZ Canterbury University MA in Politics was the New Statesman, Guardian and New Musical Express wasnot out of any idealogical agreement it was for the viciousness of writers in the style of JulieBurchill and the idea what we really need is to edit the Bible into a new form.Persobally I would reduce it to 6/8!books with Ecclesiastes, Genesis and Revelations as the core. But would be a word for word fight
They don't make 'em like this anymore - superb
Truss did seem rather immature and not ready for prime time.
I don't think she would've ever been ready . I think she got told she was ready & in true idiot form she believed it .
She was a swivel eyed Tufton St. Loony
Truss always reminded me of Blackadder’s “Queenie” character.
an almighty disservice to A.Richardson
What a delightful interview . David Owen’s warmth , humour and honesty great to see.
Never forget this guy bears a significant responsibility for the damage Thatcher did.
It's a strange thing, I think especially in British politics, that those who have stepped back from the frontline, are revered more in their absence than how they were treated at the time.
And Boris wasnt acting like a king? Flaunting rules as he liked
Truss and Johnson voting against
their Government: Nothing of course to do with Envy. That he is patently doing a better job than either of them could. ## Great to see / hear David Owen, even if a reminder that none of us is getting any younger. Am proud that one of my daughters has followed him into medicine.
Not behind what he said about the left wing of the Labour party. We need it to keep Labour from going full Tony Blair and prevent corporate lobbying. People may not agreed with Corbyn but kicking him from the party based on Tory heckling is pathetic
Many Jewish members expelled with him. The irony...
You can be left wing without appeasing people like Putin - something that Corbyn, Milne and all don't do.
And the corbynites also are brexiteers so unsure if we need more prople like that
The lettuce is the classic self-absorbist who cost the 4 UK nations approx £800 million for everyday of her tenure....and then after weeks of fizzing produced a 4000 word piece on how she was actually right in circumnavigating normal fiscal process then taking a punt on black... or was it red. Personally I don't think she knew but she did know she wanted to be the ERG, IEA, United States of Britain poster queen for all to behold.
Like many in the cabinet she should be stripped of all her assets to help make up for the unbelievable losses they've inflicted on everyone and every public service.
The last line in her autobiography is about how she STILL got to be Prime minster.
Heaven knows who would read it.
@guydreamr ..... WELL SAID!
This man offers such profound yet subtle wisdom if you simply listen and think. I would very much like to hear more of his thoughts on all things: global politics, grandchildren, partisan politics, compromise, humble lessons learned. - Friend from America
Not much wisdom as supported Catastrophic brexit -also very arrogant
"we've got to get rid of the leftt"
liked by Friend form America
checks out
He said of the strikers, ''They will not face that we do not have the money'' without asking what happened to the ''Track and Trace'' money.
I don't remember this being said about Boris, who definitely acted like he could do whatever he wanted, gave orders and just expected people to somehow fulfill them
He seemed a considered and reasonable man until he revealed his stance on Brexit. And, as usual, is unable to admit that it has been a catastrophic failure. Although given his background as a GP and MP, I suppose he has no real idea how it has affected and will continue to affect those less well off.
re 19:18 Oh, Tony Blair. If there is anyone where power clearly went to their head, it is him. Unfortunately, he continues to act in that delusional & perilous manner today.
A great mind.
What a great interview!
Is she still going to collect her pension for serving as pm for such a short time?
of course she will
Yes
More interviews with Owen and men/women like him.
*_I heard enough, thank you._*
Interesting! I clearly remember a BBC Newsnight broadcast on the eve of the Iraq invasion in March 2003, where Owen defended the US/UK invasion of Iraq against the Tory, Lteon Brittain. Also, if in 2003 the UK could act independently of the rest of the EU to wage war on Iraq, I no not see how it might still not act on Ukrain free of any EU constraints were it still a member of the EU. Owen is no doubt a highly intelligent and competent politician but one who is not above hyprocricy and hubris himself. Moreover, listening to some of the BBC staff I knowl, Owen was one of the more unpleasant and ungracious politicians to have to deal with in regard to arranging interviews for him.
That is absolutely true. Politicians are always trying to reinvent themselves.
I think the word Hypocrisy is why the SDP were never elected. Always trying to be all things to all people.
Hypocrisy and Hubris should have been the names of Winston Churchill’s Hamsters.
He was the master of disowning a mess and starting again.
What I hated about Liz Truss is her big smiles for the camera. Demonstrated a completely undeserved confidence and accomplishment. S
Someone who managed to get the job of a surgeon despite not being qualified would have been punished, but not taking the reigns of the country when totally unsuited for the job isn't.
David Owen, has been an ex Foreign Sec for a very long time
I'm a Yank and I noticed it.
He's a very naïve politician
Who better to talk about the arrogance of power than Dr Death!
Don't think Owen has ever admitted -or would ever admit- that his precious brexit was ever a bad idea. Sounds like his own hubris blind spot right there.
Owen seems to have a fair bit of ‘hubris’ going on himself which is why he is deflecting attention on to others.
Loving how Dr Owen can still trigger the right
Scathin about Liz Truss...wow
i have never fully understood differences between liberals and social democrats. Where are they placed on the political compass?
Lord Owen's insights on mental state of leaders (hubris) is very interesting, and more focus should be placed on this, especially with the likes of Putin. But i think some of Owen's logic is fuzzy, obviously with Brexit (he is condradictory between EU and Nato) as well as social democracy.
10:00 - good line.
Decent ideas, but wrong on Brexit.
Liz Truss was described as acting like a Queen, as opposed to Boris Johnson? 😆
do we really need physical, naturalistic, or scientific evidence to know that power corrupts? not really, David.
I'm surprised and disappointed that a man of his intelligence and wisdom is still in favour of Brexit.
Indeed. A massive blindspot.
Nobody is perfect. But that is truly surprising considering his otherwise very cleareyed and factbased views.
If he’d stayed in the Labour Party like his friend Roy Hattersley he may well have become leader after Kinnock, won the 1997 election and we’d never have had Blair and the disastrous involvement in Iraq.
I think I smell a touch of Hubris in his comments
When you’ve spent more than 50 years in politics I think you’ve earned it
Everyone has the same amount of history.
"left" is a subjective term. The labour party was founded to make British society fairer and more equitable. That could be defined as left. The NHS and the welfare state are socialized achievements that could be described as left.
Certainly many Americans think the NHS is a Communist plot.
And not at anytime since 1970 have the Labour Party achieved “fair and equitable”.
They moan about Margaret Thatcher even now. But it was the social catastrophe of 1978 that Labour caused that duly gave Thatcher the keys to No10.
No, it was founded to abolish Britain in a socialist revolution. And being 'left' has nothing, and never had anything, to do with being fair--which is the exact moral opposite of being 'equitable', btw. Also the first welfare state was Bismarck's ultra-conservative Germany. But leftists being the shameless cretins they are still somehow try to claim credit for it.
The problem with a hypothecated tax for the NHS is that you'd just end up with a lot more highly paid managers & not much in the way of front line staff.
Narcisistas : se les van los humos a la cabeza. 🤡
We will not be caught with no clothes on!
The kind doctor split from Labour to form the SDP which kept silver snatcher Thatcher in power for 13 years. Cheers doc🤪
And yet he thinks that Corbyn was a danger...
"The problem with the Labour Party is the Left". Lord help us, Owen's a smart man, but obviously impervious to a basic understanding of where Labour came from and what they're supposed to be about.
Doctor Death should be an expert on hubris.
Is that how you remained so sane David? By never having any power.
He got Rhodesia completely wrong and helped ruin the bread basket of Africa.
A man of honour with a sensitivity to the difficulties faced by the common man. Qualities quite rare in our present government
Rare? Invisible.
'I am the longest serving MP in Plymouth history'. The host's correct response ought to have been 'Congratulations!' because it is a notable achievement and Lord David is clearly very proud of this achievement. Bad interview technique.
I Switched off I’m afraid when the Anti Corbyn rhetoric started up 😟..I guess he’s he not aware of “The Labour Files”.. Corbyn is the least hubristic person in politics today
He didn't say Corbyn was hubristic. He used Corbyn (and Truss) as examples of the catastrophic results of allowing party members to elect party leaders, instead of just leaving it to MPs who are democratically accountable. Party members are almost by definition unrepresentative of the average voter who supports a party, let alone the wider public, and they have no democratic accountability for their actions. Corbyn, and Truss, were absolutely appalling results of such a system.
Enjoying Brexit then David?
We don't live in a democracy. We live in a limited or constitutional monarchy. The PM can now exercise a number of monarchical powers. And monarchs often behave autocratically and arbitrarily.
It would be very interesting if we gad tapes of the first Margaret Thatchers cabinet 1979-81, in session or in infornal or committee meetings reflecting on the disintergration of the Labour opposition and the 1980-1 seperation if the gang of 4, Jenkins a superb home sec and probablly Wilsons heir apparent in the late 1960s, Shirley Williams really in my opinion a wrecker of a quality British education system, and patron of irresponsible immigration, disarmament and feminism, daughter of Shirley Britan in reality Shirley Williams was the patron saint of the modern destructive entryist left politician, a classic Merkel, Helen Clark, Piblebski type and far more left and far less able than Barbara Castle, Gillard or Julie Bishop. Rodgers I don't know anything about and assume he is nothing. I imagine Thatcher would simply have seen Roy as past anything but wining and dining at Brussels so the issue is what did the Tory Cabinet think of Owen in 1980. Another David Lloyd George or Churchill. It would seem incredible now, but my impression is that Hailsham, Gilmour, Walker, Pym , even Carrington might have well seen David Owen as the coalition leadership replacement for Thatcher in a more moderate Tory Liberal coalition. I think they did wrongly and but for the Falklands war folliwing the invasion of the Falklands in March 1982 it might well have eventuated.If the Argentine generals had waited another two months defence cuts by May 1982 and a different lineup on the day in the HC would have nade the possibility of a succesful task force even more difficult. And by 1983; the last generation of 1960s RN officers, Hermes and Invincible would have gone. I think David Owen was ambitious enough to think ihe was still a PM in future in 1982. David of ciurse us a great shapeshifter as lijw many others he ignored the facts about Mugabe and 😢 Milosovich.Right till their last cogerent days in the HC Micheal Foot and Harild Wilson regarded David Owen as their most disloyal servant to Labour, UK orl Russia???? In retrospect of course Owen is regarded as a failure, as a man of 'insufficient genius' to seize the moment and go either way and seize the day. Within Labour by the early 197Os als today there was little genuine centre dynamic talent who would ever have broken away with the gang of 4, Starmer still leads a party and candidate list of repositioned Hackney councillors, which means both parties SW candidate selections must be conrestable before 1/2005 and I do loathe and contempt Tobias Ellwood who is and stands for everything British politics has rejected since the 17C, One Nation, the Bible, Fundamentalism, Foreign policy subverted and made by the secret service, a defence policy made by brought politicians awarded commisions and rotten borough seats to influence strategic and defence policy subverting the constitution and legitimate interest not to say any democratic veto
All leaders must be checked to prevent power corrupting their ideology. Checks and balances like USA system helps, but ultimately we need many reforms like:
Direct democracy
Referendums
Online voting secured like banking
Mandatory voting with financial incentives
Voter Information Applications to align voter policy preferences with candidates.
Democracy education in school with 16 old voting minimum age.
Young candidates
RCV Ranked Choice Voting
"they were still there!") after all those years, like the old Tory right wing is still there, because they still (ideologically) represented the beliefs & opinions of enough people, to matter.
A completely misleading title from a passing comment which is a pity because those interested in the life of David Owen should really listen to this.
Some of us unaware of him would still be in the dark
And Sunak acts like his the King of gloom and doom.
"It occurs in all walks of life." Yes: including, notably, medicine. And I've seldom seen a man so pompously brimming with self-satisfaction as this fellow himself.
Do not confuse having a rather well-to-do sounding voice with pomposity & self-satisfaction. He is justifiably proud of his achievements but also knows he could have done more. One of the most thoughtful & intelligent people in politics. And I actually disagree with him on several matters.
I live in Germany i Lived in England,Hes an old school English Gentleman,WHO is living in the past, He is living in La la Land ,Britain is on fire
But He is doing fine,But the normal Person in the street are suffering,He Had His Brexit,now live with it, with Boris British upperclass,
St Petersburg is not in Germany. 1/10, back to the salt mines.
Lord Owen, labour renegade, split the parliamentary party, started a rot, rotten politician
Was he big David or little David on Spitting Image?
@@himoffthequakeroatbox4320
@@himoffthequakeroatbox4320
Big- although the SDP were the smaller party, Owen was the larger figure.
@@himoffthequakeroatbox4320 Big, David Steel was little david
Its so refreshing, whatever your political persuasion, to listen to an experienced politician who came from a generation where you didnt have to work out how much lies they were telling. I doubt we’ll see such interviews from the current crop of Tory horrors in years to come. To be fair most of them will be in prison anyway 🤷🏻♂️
So what do you. Have To say to yourselfs Now Looking back at what you Helped Created under ANC Rule ,, it's n Nothing less than a Criminal Lawless. REGEME
In English?
So what if Liz Truss acts like a queen? So what if Boris Johnson acts like a queen? So what if King Charles acts like a queen?
As long as they don't start blowing me kisses 😘😘😘, I couldn't care less. Stop that! Stop that, I say!
Who was that female impersonator? Was it Charles 🤔? Was it Boris 🤔? Was it the worst female impersonator of the lot 🤔? Was it Liz Truss 🤔?
Wot?
I have a lot of time for David Owen, his heart seems to be in the right place and he isn't afraid to praise people who may not exactly be on the same branch of politics as him, but having read some of the comments I think if you are well educated and speak in the right way people will just believe you. He seems to make a lot of points, like talking about the Liberals or the EU without actually explaining his objections to them (he did with the EU, but seemed ignorant or what the EU is, probably due to the echo chamber he is now in and believing the UK can just go it alone as when we had an empire).
As far as the EU is concerned if doesn't "rule" 29 countries, all it does is administer the Single Market and Custom Union. They don't have any say in our NHS, education, immigration, taxation (apart from not undercutting other countries in certain areas relating to the Single Market), policing, public transport, so much more. For what we had for giving up some sovereignty we got trade free, red tape free access to the biggest trading bloc in the world. I'm also staggered that he thinks that only 37% of the directorate only voting to leave, and for every version of Brexit they were fed, he thinks it's undemocratic for parliament to scrutinise the bad type of Brexit that was negotiated (not that there was a better one ever going to be possibly), or I assume the public not to vote on the final deal, especially since he thinks party members not to be able to choose their party leader or PM, but thinks MPs should. It's just a bizarre interview where he wasn't questioned hard enough on what he said, which is a bit failing in modern political interviewing these days.
Good points. I'm also always surprised when someone who is bright, keen on elections and the will of the people nevertheless rejects any reconsideration of Brexit. We have local and general elections every few years and Brexit was a while ago now. Why should future generations be stopped from deciding whether such a massive policy needs adjusting?
@@tompearce3610 I'm not sure it's even that for me. It's the duplicity of thinking the people should decide the Prime Minister but that people shouldn't have had the final say on actual deal that was negotiated when only 37% of the electorate voted for Brexit having been sold whatever Brexit they wanted to hear. For me that's the real problem. He said in the interview that we should move on and make Brexit a success, and this wasn't even challenged with the question of how this is possible after basically erecting barriers with the trading partners we need to make that a reality. It just beggars belief.
@@mattpotter8725 Well said Matt. I just think it's a cult now, "you just have to believe", with no critical thinking permissable. Anything negative is denied, excused, will all be fine in X years or whataboutery is the order of the day.
sadly looks like power went to your head too sir .. stay kool nice dr
HUBRIS is such a great word ."It,s only hubris when you cannot prove it "
Tha powah of the internet