thalo green plus quinacradone rose (or permanent rose or thalo rose) equals chromatic black. You can make it with these 2 transparent colors! and also then you can lean it towards the red or the green (warmer or cooler) or keep it neutral. test it with white to check the temperature when making it. I might try using the warmer mix for the foreground, a neutral mix for the midground, and the cooler mix for the distant ground and do a tonal like that. This was a great demo by the way. I LOVE BILL! I think he is married but if he is not then I am available! lol. Anyway.. I have not used the chromatic black yet but I did learn a while ago about it, and was shown that it is not a single pigment, it is in fact thalo green plus quinacrodone rose (or thalo or permanent rose)
Hello Eric My name is Brian and I am listening from the U.K. and I found this channel is full use full information. Keep up the good work Kind regards Brian
Definitely a "game changer" method. For the viewer who commented that Cobra doesn't have a Chromatic Black ..... both W&N Artisan and Daniel Smith have the 2 transparent ingredients to mix it in water soluble oils. PV 19 + PG36. Quinacridone Red (Permanent Rose), etc. + Pthalo Green YS (sometimes Emerald Green). Perfect compliments according to Gamblin. Try it 1:1 first then adjust. When you find the neutral mix ratio then fill some empty tubes.
Per Gamblin website- Chromatic Black is PV19 (Quinacradone Red) and PG36 (Pthalo Emerald) for those wish to mix their own to test it out. While many colors mixed can make chromatic black, I had never considered the transparent aspect until this video. Bill Davidson is a gem. Super helpful!
I had to come back and let you know I tried this method and it worked so well! Thisis now my new way of painting! Thank you so much Bill, for sharing this excellent method. Such a time saver and the resulting colors are the tones I love.
Hello from New Orleans. Love these teaching moments. Everyone has their own methods that gets us to a final beautiful product. Thank you so much for sharing. These videos will be my recovery from upcoming surgery. I'll be a better artist at the end of recovery!
Another idea for those of us who use WMO paints... a traditional oil can be added to a WMO, such as Titanium white, and colors, as long as the ratio is kept at 1:4 So 1 part Gamblin chromatic black to 3 parts Titanium white and/or colors. In addition, Cobra makes an additive which will modify the traditional oil paimts to make it Water Mixable Oil for faster clean up!
Bill Hawthorne from Mo. I would imagin paynes grey with a touch of red could balance out the coolness. Eric this guys showing us some really good tips.
I like the way he teaches how to set up his pallet for values. I waste a lot of time trying to get the values correct. Bill's set up of values make a lot of sense and saves time. Thank you!
I recently made a painting with some grey values in each color, i felt the result more satisfying n pleasing. Thank you so much for detail info. I would be happy if i could send its photo for your valuable and kind suggestions, feefback.
Whilst I appreciate the usefulness and ease of this technique, I wonder how someone would eventually move on from here to then mix without the use of the chromatic black/greys? Is chromatic black similar to how I mix black? I tend to mix from a range on my palette, depending on what temperature is required (I suppose, really it seems just as the mood strikes!). Sometimes Raw umber, Prussian blue, Alizarin Crimson. Sometimes with French Ultramarine and sometimes with Burnt umber. Occasionally I will also add some Olive green. I wonder if one of these mixes would work.....? thanks.
What a great lesson! Can’t wait to get painting. Looks like tonal value painting is a way to go. The first art class I ever took started us off that way. Wish I could have remembered this.
I will try this method. I struggle with value and temp. I’ve been painting for 3 years now. I practice every day I still don’t have it right. I threw away so many bad panels with nonsense. I have Eric’s paint by note. Just going to practice this method everyday from here on out.
you need to get more of a feedback loop happening. so once you've blocked in the main value shapes take a photo and compare it with your digital photo reference. swap back and forwards between them on the computer or put them closely side-by-side and see where you have differences. convert them to perceptual greyscale and compare them. I put them on separate layers and fade the layers between each other on photopea.com
If they sell that colour in Chromatic Black. I couldn't find it. It is made of Quinacridone Red and Phthalo Emerald, so maybe you could use those, but they have to be exact, not just some other company's name for a different paint. You can find instructions for mixing chromatic black online, but again, it has to end up transparent, and made of compliments. Maybe you could do it because some people are looking for very dark blacks which is obviously not required in this process, as they will kill your colours. One problem with using Acrylic is that this approach of Bill's uses open piles of colour. Acrylic dries very fast, there are tricks to control that, but beyond a certain point, oil is mostly better for that. Another problem is that acrylic dries darker, so they say. One of the purported advantages of oil is that it does not dry darker, and makes getting your values easier. People can learn to anticipate the values change of acrylic, and some brands claim to be less prone to darkening. But this is a technique designed to simplify values, and you would be using a material that messes with that a bit.
I bought some w&n artist acrylic in permanent rose (pv19) and thalo green (yellow shade) pg36. Same pigments used in the great Gambling chromatic black and are transparent acrylic paints. I'll know soon.
It has been noted that some artists choose to mix chromatic blacks for the very darkest values in their painting (for example, Ultramarine Blue and Burnt Sienna, or Viridian and Quinacridone Magenta make a deep, near-black), instead of using tubed black paints. I have not tested this approach with acrylic or watercolor paints.
In a way this is like a one step Grisaille but, instead of a first layer of monotone values then a second layer of coloured glazing, this is done by mixing the toned values with the required hue then applied in one go. Excellent info.
Can you use this method of grays with acrylic paint? What black in acrylic is transparent? What black would work? So many questions. Thank you. This was a very informative lesson.
i AM JUST STARTING TO PAINT WITH OILS. i HAVE BEE N PAINTING WITH WATER COLORS.. i WAS NOT AWARE THAT OILS COULD BE TRANSRANT LIKE WATERCOLORS. THIS IS MY FIRST TIME WARTCHING BILL. i THINK THAT HE IS GREAT. DON JOHNSON MISSOURI CITY, TEXAS
Zinc white might be more suited and I hear it isn't as fugitive today as it used to be, or it isn't as fugitive as they say. My other big question on this is whether it works for portraits, the same basic principles apply, but the colours used for flesh are different, and may or not play as well with the the Chromatic black. I will have to try it out.
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Bill. I’ve bought all your videos. Learned a lot. Thanks
thalo green plus quinacradone rose (or permanent rose or thalo rose) equals chromatic black. You can make it with these 2 transparent colors! and also then you can lean it towards the red or the green (warmer or cooler) or keep it neutral. test it with white to check the temperature when making it. I might try using the warmer mix for the foreground, a neutral mix for the midground, and the cooler mix for the distant ground and do a tonal like that. This was a great demo by the way. I LOVE BILL! I think he is married but if he is not then I am available! lol. Anyway.. I have not used the chromatic black yet but I did learn a while ago about it, and was shown that it is not a single pigment, it is in fact thalo green plus quinacrodone rose (or thalo or permanent rose)
Thalo green (yellow shade) pg36 pigment. I bought these 2 paints in acrylic but haven't tried it yet.
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Awesome👌Thank you Bill , from a very late starter , in London, England🙏🏼
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Haha! You are correct, and a funny woman!(no time wasted being shy 😉) And great informative comment! 👍 I admire your confidence 😄
Bill you’re a bloody marvel. You’ve solved my colour problems. Now I need to practice more. Love your art ❤🎉😊
Hello Eric
My name is Brian and I am listening from the U.K. and I found this channel is full use full information.
Keep up the good work
Kind regards
Brian
And just like that, Bill made Munsell color theory practical and easy! Fabulous!
Values so important thank you, im from the uk and i love your shows.
Bill that painting is beautiful, and thank you guys for the wonderful 😮color mixing tutorial, very helpful thanks again.
Ron Cisler
Definitely a "game changer" method.
For the viewer who commented that Cobra doesn't have a Chromatic Black ..... both W&N Artisan and Daniel Smith have the 2 transparent ingredients to mix it in water soluble oils.
PV 19 + PG36.
Quinacridone Red (Permanent Rose), etc. + Pthalo Green YS (sometimes Emerald Green). Perfect compliments according to Gamblin.
Try it 1:1 first then adjust.
When you find the neutral mix ratio then fill some empty tubes.
Thanks so much guys. I am ordering some chromatic black now!!
Ridiculously helpful
Oh my gosh, his demo piece is absolutely stunning❤
This is insanely helpful to me! I used to work forever to find the right color I wanted.
This is incredibly helpful - do more please!
Per Gamblin website- Chromatic Black is PV19 (Quinacradone Red) and PG36 (Pthalo Emerald) for those wish to mix their own to test it out. While many colors mixed can make chromatic black, I had never considered the transparent aspect until this video. Bill Davidson is a gem. Super helpful!
I had to come back and let you know I tried this method and it worked so well! Thisis now my new way of painting! Thank you so much Bill, for sharing this excellent method. Such a time saver and the resulting colors are the tones I love.
Wonderful instructional video - I am going to try this right away! Watching from Connecticut shoreline.
Big thank you👍the video is awesome ❤️🥰🤩👍😍😊
Bill's explanation of how to match color, is so much more efficient and faster. Thank you Bill.
Lovely values, thanks from Halifax, Canada
Great tutorial! Thank you. I'll try this method. Greetings from Munich/Germany! 💞
Just watched this - excellent. I'm going to look for his videos.
Bill is an awesome teacher 👍🤩🥰❤️😍
EXCELLENT advice about mixing the values to start with! ..My painting buddie used to start this way..she was a painting major in college.!
Painting just got easier with this value method. Thanks
Never have seen this procedure, really appreciate your lesson. !! Jackie from Missouri
Awesome paintings 🤩👍❤️😍😋💖🥰
Thank you👍🥰🤩❤️😍beautiful
🤩 wow this is really awesome Bill and a marvellous teacher 🤩👍❤️😍🥰
Beautiful paintings 🤩😋❤️👍😍💖🥰
Really amazing how this concept simplifies the use of value and color! Thank you
Watching from South Africa, and learning so much. Thank you - you explain so well
Hello from New Orleans. Love these teaching moments. Everyone has their own methods that gets us to a final beautiful product. Thank you so much for sharing. These videos will be my recovery from upcoming surgery. I'll be a better artist at the end of recovery!
Another idea for those of us who use WMO paints... a traditional oil can be added to a WMO, such as Titanium white, and colors, as long as the ratio is kept at 1:4
So 1 part Gamblin chromatic black to 3 parts Titanium white and/or colors.
In addition, Cobra makes an additive which will modify the traditional oil paimts to make it Water Mixable Oil for faster clean up!
I love Bills videos….just missed this so replaying ….he’s great at sharing…..Thx Bill…..When r u doing a soar workshop again????
Hi from New Mexico love these videos
Excellent!! Learned so much!
wow Amazing love this painting and Ive learnt more in this video than the last 10 thankyou from Saskatchewan
Thanks! a very smart and helpful way to make sure your colors stay in the correct value scale 🎨
Bill Hawthorne from Mo. I would imagin paynes grey with a touch of red could balance out the coolness. Eric this guys showing us some really good tips.
Love. Bill’s painting system. It has made difference in my painting. I have one of his videos. I watch it often. Love from Batesville, MS.
Thanks for this info. Very helpful
I like the way he teaches how to set up his pallet for values. I waste a lot of time trying to get the values correct. Bill's set up of values make a lot of sense and saves time. Thank you!
Wow, this is such an enlightening and helpful video! I am going to try this TODAY! Thank you Bill Davidson!
Super video Bravo Bill Davidson
Just found this! So excited to learn this..I have so much trouble understanding values.
Wow ! Cool color mixing tech
Thanks for using the vertical palette. So helpful to see it as you work.
I recently made a painting with some grey values in each color, i felt the result more satisfying n pleasing. Thank you so much for detail info. I would be happy if i could send its photo for your valuable and kind suggestions, feefback.
A big Shout out to "Eric Rhoads" 🔥🎨 You are a 'Rock 🌟"
Well done Bill on the tutorial 💜❤️
Great lessen, thank you for sharing you knowledge 🕊
Beautiful 🤩
Amazing concept with chromatic black. I’m grateful to learn this and am anxious to try it.
Love bill davidson, Judi from Eugene Oregon
I gotta try this as it seems a great idea. Thank you for the video of Bills *Mixing Perfect Colour"" It's great.
Which white (brand and color) do you use to mix with your Gamblin Chromatic Black?
Whilst I appreciate the usefulness and ease of this technique, I wonder how someone would eventually move on from here to then mix without the use of the chromatic black/greys?
Is chromatic black similar to how I mix black? I tend to mix from a range on my palette, depending on what temperature is required (I suppose, really it seems just as the mood strikes!). Sometimes Raw umber, Prussian blue, Alizarin Crimson. Sometimes with French Ultramarine and sometimes with Burnt umber. Occasionally I will also add some Olive green. I wonder if one of these mixes would work.....? thanks.
Very interesting,I am going to my easel now and give it a try,thanks .
I can’t wait to try this!
I just discovered you on Friday. Wow,
Wow you are a great teache.r thankbyou so much I think I get it finally your awesome
What a great lesson! Can’t wait to get painting. Looks like tonal value painting is a way to go. The first art class I ever took started us off that way. Wish I could have remembered this.
I will try this method. I struggle with value and temp. I’ve been painting for 3 years now. I practice every day I still don’t have it right. I threw away so many bad panels with nonsense. I have Eric’s paint by note. Just going to practice this method everyday from here on out.
you need to get more of a feedback loop happening. so once you've blocked in the main value shapes take a photo and compare it with your digital photo reference. swap back and forwards between them on the computer or put them closely side-by-side and see where you have differences. convert them to perceptual greyscale and compare them. I put them on separate layers and fade the layers between each other on photopea.com
Can u do this with acrylics? Thk you sir. This is a much deeper level of teaching I hv never seen!
If they sell that colour in Chromatic Black. I couldn't find it. It is made of Quinacridone Red and Phthalo Emerald, so maybe you could use those, but they have to be exact, not just some other company's name for a different paint. You can find instructions for mixing chromatic black online, but again, it has to end up transparent, and made of compliments. Maybe you could do it because some people are looking for very dark blacks which is obviously not required in this process, as they will kill your colours.
One problem with using Acrylic is that this approach of Bill's uses open piles of colour. Acrylic dries very fast, there are tricks to control that, but beyond a certain point, oil is mostly better for that.
Another problem is that acrylic dries darker, so they say. One of the purported advantages of oil is that it does not dry darker, and makes getting your values easier. People can learn to anticipate the values change of acrylic, and some brands claim to be less prone to darkening. But this is a technique designed to simplify values, and you would be using a material that messes with that a bit.
I bought some w&n artist acrylic in permanent rose (pv19) and thalo green (yellow shade) pg36.
Same pigments used in the great Gambling chromatic black and are transparent acrylic paints. I'll know soon.
Definitely going to try this method, will help to see value easier. Thank you so much for sharing it. From Pretoria South Africa
So very interesting! Thank you. Bonnie from SW Ontario, Canada
It has been noted that some artists choose to mix chromatic blacks for the very darkest values in their painting (for example, Ultramarine Blue and Burnt Sienna, or Viridian and Quinacridone Magenta make a deep, near-black), instead of using tubed black paints. I have not tested this approach with acrylic or watercolor paints.
Excellent. I learned so much! Thank you for sharing.
In a way this is like a one step Grisaille but, instead of a first layer of monotone values then a second layer of coloured glazing, this is done by mixing the toned values with the required hue then applied in one go. Excellent info.
Loved this! Thanks so much!!!!
YAY BILL! LOVE LOVE LOVE!
Wonderful tip to use my chromatic black for the base of color mixing!
Can't wait to try this..I struggle so much with my values.!
Wow Bill, This is a"Game Changer"👍🎨
"Value does all the work. Color gets all the credit !"
Thank you!
AWESOME
Wow breakthu for me, thanks
Bill’s an amazing artist/teacher! Thank you
Can you use this method of grays with acrylic paint? What black in acrylic is transparent? What black would work? So many questions. Thank you. This was a very informative lesson.
I use acrylics also. If you Google how to mix chromatic black, you will get a couple of different ways to try.
@@40bdg thank you for that info. I’ll do that. I paint with both. Mostly acrylic right now Transitioning into oils.
Brilliant great Talent/Teacher 🙏🏼
Wa state
Loving this information. Thank you!
Takeaway... "Don't lick your finger." ERIC & "Everyday should be a Friday." BILL This was a fantastic lesson! Thanks
i AM JUST STARTING TO PAINT WITH OILS. i HAVE BEE N PAINTING WITH WATER COLORS.. i WAS NOT AWARE THAT OILS COULD BE TRANSRANT LIKE WATERCOLORS. THIS IS MY FIRST TIME WARTCHING BILL. i THINK THAT HE IS GREAT. DON JOHNSON MISSOURI CITY, TEXAS
Love John’s logic and his accent. Adds to his colors
Terrific video thanks
Great lesson. Thank you Bill.
Absolutely great information and the answers to so many of my struggles. Thank you both
That was fantastic. What a great demo.
Fascinating!
Zinc white might be more suited and I hear it isn't as fugitive today as it used to be, or it isn't as fugitive as they say.
My other big question on this is whether it works for portraits, the same basic principles apply, but the colours used for flesh are different, and may or not play as well with the the Chromatic black. I will have to try it out.
🍁 Good morning ,hello from AB . Canada 🇨🇦 😊
Great lesson full of useful tips! I’m going to get some chromatic black
Excellent advice. Thank you!
Great lesson, as well as art work. Thank you for sharing your knowledge !
Great workshop. What kind of white he used for preparing the greys from the Cromatic black?
Great video.....can't wait to start using the grey tones but need to buy some chromatic black. Thank you for sharing.
Hello from CA. Awesome information!
Great advice! Thank you.
I like big brushes and I cannot lie🎶
Ha ha ha for a hot second I too thought he was going there!
Which black and white did you use to make your grey-scale? love this video! Thanks!