Hey! Please do share your thoughts in regards to the disappearances mentioned - I do always read all of the comments and reply to as many as I can. Also, finally weekend so do have a good, yet safe one! Also I give a brief explanation of hypothermia and paradoxical undressing and I say the blood vessels swell, but I meant constrict! Oops!
@@jonathanturbide2232 Shut up hater. The narration is better than chills and others. Why dont you make videos if you're so great and then we can critique you
Excellent work, TM. Really, I'm a former video producer/editor, and audio engineer, and I can say with confidence; shine off the negative assholes who drop hate on your work, they're just jealous. Your work is among the best on youtube. Period. Keep it up! The world needs to know this stuff. Thanks for all that you do.
I'm from the UK and have had the pleasure of hiking the Smokies, I hiked part of the Appalachian trail and can tell you first hand its spooky, I was aware of the national park missing cases beforehand so when you're actually there it's very hard to forget how easy it is to disappear forever. It's a beautiful place but that being said its definitely the creepiest national park I've hiked!
The Thelma story.... this happened to someone I knew she went ahead of everyone, somehow fell off the trail and wedged herself deep into rocks. She died of brain injury and exposure. The body was very hard to find because of the rocks. There is a rule about splitting up or hiking ahead .... never do it.
I didn't know her body was ever found. I thought that was the woman who was possibly planning to run away from her older, fairly disabled husband who she was largely caring for and after a series of failed marriages. Her behaviour in the days leading up to her vanishing was suspicious and there were cheques cashed on her account the year after but the bank teller couldn't remember the person who'd done it. There was no CCTV in 1981. The local pastor as the charity centre she volunteered at thought she might be having an affair (never proven) and she made phone calls there which she had never done before in all the years she'd worked there. I think she went off to start a new life and her behaviour on the trail was very odd, speeding up and then slowing down several times in an attempt to throw off her companions to make good her exit.
Richard Helliwell you are right. She had talked to a man in a car in the parking lot, then deliberately hiked way ahead of everyone in her party. There were checks written in Georgia from her account. Nowadays, there should be handwriting specialists to know if it was her handwriting or not. We lived in the town where she went missing from and hiked that same trail almost every day. It’s a very family oriented, nice trail. Weird though. I’d like to see those checks be annualized 🙂
@@0518Purple Yes - that would be interesting if they still exist. If she had been abducted I cannot imagine the perpetrator would have run the risk of being identified by cashing her cheques in a bank! I think the handwriting on the cheques was thought to be hers at the time, but it's only what I read. It's another case that David Paulides makes a lot of even though the explanation looks fairly simple.
Been to Great Smoky Mountains National Park twice. Before I head of the Missing 411 phenomenon. I felt strange hiking on the trails as if someone or something was watching me. Beautiful place but very creepy
I've lived here in Pigeon Forge, all my life. I remember a lot of these, it's very easy to get lost if you go off the trails at all. You can lose direction easily. GOD bless all these families, and future visitors.
I understand that feeling you mentioned of being watched. It reminds me of something that happened to me when I was a teenager in my hometown. On the edge of town was a small park in a hollow. It had been closed for years but still had old picnic areas, a small amphitheater and old signs depicting park trails. I used to visit the place out of curiosity, and one thing that stood out was each time I went there the vibe got weirder, as if I was being watched closely and intently by someone or something. And this feeling got stronger during each visit. The final time I was planning to go there, I was half way down the old trail in when it was as though I'd hit a wall. I couldn't go any further and I felt both sick and frightened. It's hard to explain but it's like that 'inner voice' was actually yelling 'GO BACK!!' After I reached the street above the feeling vanished. I haven't been back to that place in all these years.
Yes I agree. What makes it worse is that we do not know the actual numbers of missing people since its not made public unless it hits the news. I would like to know just here in my national forest. (I'm in the mountains weekly and have had some strange experiences. ) I mean it would be nice to know if a serial killer is under the radar or a mountain lion on the rampage or even a possible BF in the forest. The woman lost at G Creek is almost at my backyard. Never found.
@@rowdyyates4273 Definitely cannot be eliminated as a possibility since people have been known to disappear before witnesses like in Selma, Ala. many years ago.
@Mr Westie They disappear, only to reappear sometimes miles from where they originally disappeared and they usually are found without shoes. Are nefarious inter-dimensional shape-shifters to blame? If so, are they harvesting people's spirits and or adrenochrome?
You're right Nate,he was smart to turn back.And what were they thinking hiking at that time of year when the probability of hazardous weather was so great.That's crazy.
I had an experience a few years ago while hiking with my daughter in the Smokies: It was a beautiful day, nothing unusual, then all of a sudden, everything went dead silent, the wind stop blowing, and we both had a very uneasy feeling as if we were being watched or were in danger. This lasted for about 3 or 4 minutes, and then everything went back to normal. The breeze came back and the forest sounds resumed. Later on, I learned that this is a phenomenon that many people have experienced there, and in other places around the country.
Look, in all fairness you startled me too ! So I just froze and didn’t take my eyes off of you ...It was a bit scary ...You were some of the first humans I ever encountered
I've also hiked alot of times here in these mountains and have experienced this same thing. It's very unnerving and makes you feel like you want to take off running , like something is fixing to happen that my freinds is your body telling you something. It's a natural gift that a person has. My advice is this. If you do hike alone kinda stay with others , not up on them , just stay somewhat behind or in front of. Never hike alone.
There are animals that hunt and they can snatch you off of a trail without you making a sound. They will drag you off to have a meal. Scary but true. Allways be aware of your surroundings. Enjoy !!!! Yes !!!! But be very vidualent and never never hike alone.
@@MatanuskaHIGH I have something to comment on. I to experienced that same thing here while back. Kinda makes you feel like turning around in circles trying to watch out for yourself and almost makes you feel very uneasy. I to felt like something was stalking me. I was hiking alone stupid me. Then everything went back to normal. That is your body telling you something could happen here. Panic kinda sits in. But I ended up being ok. But I haven't been back on that certain trail either.
People don't understand the wilderness is not like their "safe spaces" they live their lives in. Never go alone, bring extra food and water, all weather gear, a means to get help, and weapons--a good hunting knife at the very least!
My question is....why the hell are groups breaking up when they go to these locations? Is it a competition to see who can hike the fastest? My personal opinion...I think that Jeepers Creepers thing is really flying around hunting and stalking people. These movies are telling us things but are we paying attention. The Hills have eyes...😳😳
in some cases they don't even break up. sometimes, one just ends up walking behind the others, out of their sight, and when they turn around he/she is gone. that seems to be pretty rare but that's been mentioned in some of the cases in the books. also, not to speculate but considering how far out the rest of the details of these cases are, we can't really assume anything. we can't even assume that these people are responsible for their own judgment. if we can imagine some UFO or portal sucking them up through the 4th dimension, or fairies walking out of boulders and kidnapping hikers, then surely we can imagine some kind of entity or force that controls the victims' minds, or lures them away from their group, or somehow diminishes their critical thinking and survival instincts. and if one of those ideas is the case, it wouldn't surprise me much, since it explains a lot of the other phenomena, particularly the weird behavior of many of the victims. ditching clothes, food, and important gear, yet sometimes holding onto relatively useless, heavy stuff. something i've noticed in a LOT of these cases is that if the victim went missing with a camera, the camera is almost never found. in the few cases when it is found, weird pictures are often found on it, when the storage isn't permanently damaged. but in most cases the camera simply remains missing forever, even when other discarded items are quickly found. so you get the impression that these people almost never discard their cameras, yet somehow manage to throw away their pants, shoes, socks, sleeping bags, food, beacons, etc. all the time. pretty weird behavior, and not consistent with (the unproven hypothesis) paradoxical undressing. often people ditch their clothes even when they go missing in temperate climates. sometimes their pants or shoes are found as little as a few hours after they first went missing. conditions where they couldn't possibly be hypothermic, unless they were suffering some kind of bizarre genetic disorder affecting their thermoregulation/homeostasis.
@@ToxicallyMasculinelol Great points I also believe what ever is taking and killing these people has the ability to control ones mind it would explain some of the strangeness
Back east the Jeepers Creepers are called Hillbillies. Out west they are called Druggies!!! Dangerous and evil, laws rules and regulations do not seem to apply to them. Only to law abiding citizens. Many of these missing people are probably kidnapped raped robbed tortured like a cat with a mouse and then killed. It seems that some of them are later placed in water and/or areas already searched so they can be found. Thus no mass numbers of people probing the area so the low life types are back in business. I think mostly they steal from campsites but if they can get the drop on someone???
I live in the Blue Ridge mountains..and am very close to the smokies..nice to hear some cases from "my neck of the woods " I am in the woods almost daily,and knowledge of missing 411 has definitely changed my behavior while in the forest...
A moose and a gorilla have already tried to kill me. No way in heck I’d go into nature alone. Pretty sure they tried to attack me because they sensed I was a weak link. I had undiagnosed Addison’s disease when this happened. Also, German. I figure that puts a huge target on my back.
Two very territorial animals. You shouldn't have been close enough for an incident to happen. Moose kill more people than any other animal in north America.
Phalanx Both at different zoos. I was standing in front of a floor to ceiling crack in the glass. The gorillas were at least ten feet away. I looked away for a second & one gorilla ran to where I was & smashed on the glass. Pretty sure I peed myself. The moose was grazing. Looked up & saw us behind the BARBED WIRE. He casually strolled over. We were excited & saying how sweet. When he got in front of me he lowered his head & rammed his antlers into the fence. We left fast. I do believe they somehow knew I was ill.🤷♀️
When I was four, a wild coyote tried to attack me in a populated area. There was no reason for the coyote to have even gotten close enough, but it lunged at me. My grandmothers neighbor shot it mid-air. That was a few months before I was diagnosed with hear complications
I am from western nc, that’s scary, but they are legends about things in our forests here An Tennessee, even in the foot hills as well , there’s a stories all in these mountains of all kinds of creatures even my grandmother told me of some things
martin ali Bigfoot, for one not a nice one it was destructive in our small mountain farm, we found a dog not ours stuffed under the wall of our barn after many hard pulls to get it out it’s head was missing looked torn from body , scared us all, screaming ,foul Oder like, rotten cabbage this went on for a week I’m glad it left, then we heard some people in Tennessee had there hogs massacred it was after our two pigs ,my brother seen it he said I did to ,we were kids I remember running back to house I was scared wouldn’t get near any windows I truly think I blocked it from my memory I just know I hate to be near any window now.
I agree. David has been doing this a long time and like the first missing person in this video I believe there is more reasons he thinks they fit the profile for missing 411. He gets all the details and reports and talks to the families and people they were with.
@@blueeyedgypsy485 I agree... my point was mostly directed at some of the comments more than the author. If it wasn't for David, none of this or the zillion of other videos would even be here.
Unimaginably awful for the companions in these cases. These, (at the time seemingly small and inconsequential) decisions must haunt people for a rest of their lives. Excellent work yet again - the content is dealt with extremely well considering the upsetting and poignant subject matter.
I think all these people should never split up they should all be together and they should tie ropes to each other and they should stay together no matter what do not go in the woods alone who knows what's in there it could be real life predators in there from another galaxy or another time or another dimension invisible who knows that's in there I don't think it's Bigfoot I think it's a little more worse than that so don't go in alone and go in armed and do not go when it's snowing take quite a few people with you and stay in the wilderness with people and in the car do not split up because it could be Predators out to get anybody today stay safe people peace
She thelma must of been really spry for her age !! Left friends & hubby behind ! So s this hike must of beens her, escape s ! Nevers toos bes founds against ! Someone !must beens waite ing for hers ! Old throbbing s heart s ! With gualf carts !! You wouldn't here's it ! Thank you
I was in the redwoods a few years ago, with my little family and my boyfriend's family, there was nobody else on the trail, and we were walking through the trails for a little while, before we left i really had to go to the bathroom and there was no bathroom. So I went back up into the trail by myself, deep into the redwoods and the really big ferns they have. Anyway, I found a secluded spot, and went to the bathroom. While I was going, I had this strange, creepy feeling of being watched. I looked around and nothing was there. Gave me goosebumps, I hurried up and ran back to my family. Before I got into the car I looked one more time and just had a strange feeling. I didn't know about the missing people in state parks till last year. I would have never went alone if I knew what I knew now. Thank God I didn't disappear. Scares me when I think about it.
CaliLove My sister had the same expierence in Yosemite! In happy isles, and now she won’t go back. Thankful she was with someone, we always try to stay together to avoid ending up in Missing 411 books.
Nooooo! NEVER go alone & never let anyone out of sight! There’s so much out there! Glad you were aware & you picked up your senses! Most of all, glad you’re safe
@@lahoku I used to hike alone in the Ocala National Forest as it’s not that remote compared to other places. Then I read “Dark Secrets of the Ocala Forest.” Apparently a lot of shady stuff involving meth in there.
That's why everyone should carry a whistle when going out. Whistles are one of the best bang-for-the-buck items you can have with you in an emergency or survival situation.The sound of a whistle will attract rescue personal to your location.
Or screw the national park laws and illegally carry a small pistol. If you need it to scare off a momma bear with cubs like made us abandon our camp there (bad drought yr) or if you get lost screw a ticket you're alive... Otherwise hush and obey the law and I will too
Those who speak will never know, and those who know will never speak. That's my belief. The truth would probably upset the masses and make them uncontrollable which is unacceptable for those in power.
@@lovecraftscat5044 Exactly. They let us "play" with such "puzzles" knowing we'll never see the bigger picture. Those who do - don't speak. Least of all on the internet. ;)
There was a time when my family took me to a forest, I was picking flowers just for fun and exploring. I saw something like 2 big apes or humans from a long distance I didn't know who and what they were, I was curious and wanted to check what are those things?! I tried getting a bit closer and I swear the more I keep walking the more they become so far for me to reach eventho they were standing in the same place. There is a moment I felt weird and disturbed when I felt I'm a bit far from my parents destination that's when I stopped went back, until this day I still remember it and curious about it
Excellent video man I really enjoyed this one growing up every summer we would camp in the smokies I always felt uneasy in them hills it's like it has its own presence like its alive almost even gives me an eerie feeling just thinking about them now. They are beautiful but so creepy at the same time.
I had participated in 30+ searches in my SAR career(mostly in NYS). For one..people are not prepared properly to hike...they also do not have a means to stay in the woods overnight. Lost persons are usually found well outside the search area. Most of these "disappearances" sound like ill-prepared hikers and/or intentional disappearances. Most people never look behind them when they hike or go off trail...so they have no idea what the return trip looks like. Many people getting lost after stepping 150 feet off the trail (usual rules for "restroom" breaks). They get lost and disoriented and never find the trail. Many folks when lost walk in circles or they follow drainages/creeks. Hypothermia and panic play a big role in why these people are found so far or never found. I find that in many cases rivers that are deemed unpassable or other natural barriers the IC folks use as lines to define search areas are not adequate as an estimate of how far the person could be. Another factor in all this is that people may carry compasses and maps and GPSs, but they do not know how to use them.
When you look at the incidences of people who have gone missing or have been discovered dead in suspicious circumstances,in similar regions throughout the world,I.e Dyatlov pass,one common thread that binds Dyatlov with some of the US disappearances is the deployment of military units,and not just any units but special forces,Spetsnaz units combed the Dyatlov area and the mountain troop of delta force combed the area where a 5 year old boy went missing,obviously,the military know what is potentially out there,whether it is a military experiment gone drastically wrong or they know that there are cryptids roaming these area,I.e bigfoot and the yeti,who knows,but it's interesting that these military units would be deployed in a very small number of these occurrences.Also,when they were deployed they were very heavily armed and they would have no contact with the other search and rescue teams,for sure,someone in government knows exactly what is going on.
I'm from British Columbia, Vancouver area. Do look into the many disappearances here. Particularly Capillano bridge area. As well the continue of shoes with feet turning up on our shores. Can't figure it out why it happens here.
@MICHELLE Parks well I think that their are a lot of ways the people are missing its just not one way its several. Like for the shoes with bones in them is a serial killer or killers that specifically do that and they might be travelers the go to different parks. Its just really mind boggling. I wonder if this has been happening for a long time or is it a newer phenomenon?
Vancouver/Seattle has a Serial Killer. Guy has killed Dozens on dozens of people. The Foot Killer. They did a documentary on it years sgo. FBI/Mounties think the killer has killed 100+ people.
That is what I was thinking, a portal. To where, or from whom, or why, who knows. Question: could God be gathering people before the end so that they don't have to see the devastation that is coming?
Do remember that there was an account of an endurance trail biker that said he was suddenly overcome by heat and it was put into his head to find water, he even heard water flowing. His companions caught up with him while he was removing and folding his clothes. He suddenly "snapped out of it" a hypnotic state by his account and realized what he was doing. He was not one to stop or even put his foot down when determining to bike a specific trail. His companions were astonished to see that he had stopped at all. I don't necessarily trust paulides but there are accounts that don't fit into the explanation of physicians.
....More than likely Bigfoot, it plays a large roll in disappearances, the head trauma on Brad the kid, probably they stumbled into Bigfoot territory, it's highly territorial, they have been known to throw rocks and dead smallish tree trunks at people. Bigfoot has been reported by just a few people that they are telepathic, more than likely that "endurance trail biker" you mentioned was controlled by a near by Bigfoot. BF is making more appearances as of lately too. We are encroaching into its territory, building houses, roads etc.
I heard that his friend originally saw a large wolf man hybrid about 9 ft tall standing over his friend as he was taking off layers of clothes. But when it saw him it disappeared into the forest at an incredible speed.
Hey Nick have you heard of this story of missing 411 the devils in the details about a football player who was found dead. And before he died he had a conversation with his wife over the phone and told her he was being followed by two strange big men on shore, he was on a river boat.
Not just that, but in the books the people who get lost are getting closer to towns. With some phone calls and CCTV recordings on record! It gets weirder, 100%!
@@Staminist-MMF-80 Do you think these things would still happen to people, if they took drones with them that follow them? What do you think the drone would pick up on camera?
@@Hollywood1127 No clue my friend.. It all depends what will further researches show, why are these disappearances happening in the 1st place? Are these rich people harvesting bodies? Are these aliens? Maybe wormholes which the persons went through? Many questions....
@@Staminist-MMF-80 it has to be a combination of things. My strongest belief ties into the Stranger Things theory. The ones who make it back alive are the lucky ones. For whatever reason they are able to hide until the portal opens back up and they return with no memory of what was on the other side.
@@MissingVoidTV It's surprising no one else stepped in to convince them it wasn't a safe journey. Was it just them alone up there? I imagine others would have tried to convince them to not go any further.
@@MissingVoidTV Makes sense. I can't believe Paulides didn't mention him having hypothermia. I recently heard him speaking about that case and didn't give any inclination that could have been a cause of his behavior.
Thank you for presenting these cases. It is tragic that so many people get lost when planning a nice outing. I wonder if the fog and terrain, plus lack of proper knowledge of preventing hypothermia, also, pushing themselves too much, could all add to the problem. These parks are huge, and can present unexpected dangers. Always be cautious, let others know your itinerary, and pay attention to weather forecasts. More than one person has been undone by early snowfalls. I enjoy your narration. It would be nice if your videos might provide some previously unknown information. Stick together and don't try to push yourself too hard. Please take all the proper precautions. Happy trails to you!
"Maybe" for Some Vanishings, folks have walked right into an invisible doorway to somewhere else-far away? I know people say "portal" but doorway to me feels right. I dunno, the whole thing gives me the creeps and keeps me OUT of National Parks!!
Hey Where Did The Road Go interviewed David Paulides on his book Missing 411 The Devils In the Details. In that interview David told a story about a couple who were hiking and the husband disappeared. During the days of the search a woman was walking along that trail and heard a man's voice yelling out for help. The woman went back and told the head park official and he told her he experienced the same thing she did.
@@optimusprime3477 Yeah, now THAT is beyond Weird, right? It "might be" IF what is Vanishing people is a doorway that remains Open, but because the newly missing, can't see it, can't return back to this area again??!! See, that sort of thing Really scares me!!
Being a local here, it is also possible that Mark traveled downhill toward the creek. Even in the state he was in, downhill would make sense and certainly within a range he could have gotten to. No mention of it being downhill or uphill is really mentioned by David Paulides. This just appears to be a case of a perfect set of circumstances and poor decisions that led to hypothermia. First, they got went on the way up in the rain, than walked into the snow with clothes still wet. Once your cold, you don't feel the wet as much once you get into the colder air but your losing your internal core heat, so your body gives up circulation to the extremities to protect the cooling core. Less also to the brain, so also hypoxia plays a role here too. Paradoxia/ acute hypoxia can occur not only at very high elevations, but lower as well. On Everest this is lack of oxygen due to high elevation. But it can be induced by hypothermia at lower elevations. It's still the body reacting to the cold to protect the heart core. Hypoxia is workable situation when high, dry and cold relieved. But not very workable if its brought on by hypothermia from being wet in the cold and unaware of it. Walking up even further into snow make for a worst case event for Hypoxic-hypothermia event. It's important to make it a priority to get dry so you can stave off hypothermia and becoming hypoxic because of it. Survivable if they would have stopped, removed wet cotton clothes and got in their sleeping bags after a fire or at least dried off even without a change of cloths. The first hiker knew this and turned back and its better to hike back alone, than do anything Ben and Mark were planning to do. Clearly, they had no map otherwise they would have seen the shelter on their map a few hundred yards further up. Or at this point, they were both hypoxic and didn't think of looking at it. Hypoxia kills your senses and higher functions. They clearly didn't know how far along the trail and exactly where they were, maybe even roughly where the were. The advantage over being hypoxic at a lower elevation than being up high over 10,000 feet is once you are warm. oxygen returns to the extremities and brain. At high elevations supplemental O2 is needed or a dex shot. Much harder issues to solve. Imo, they were hypothermic hours before reaching the snow line and hypoxia could have onset before the snow line, by 6pm ,maybe before. No mention of them detailing the map if they had one, even at the time the first hiker turned around. At this point, they all weren't thinking the same. You are hours and quite far in a state of hypoxia when you start taking off your clothes for feeling hot or too warm. Mark was further along in this process as he had more issues on the way up than Ben. Probably got the most wet on the way up. This would explain why Ben never got to the point Mark did overnight. No account if Ben managed to dry off more in his sleeping bag than Mark did. Possibly already too hypoxic to think to dry off, as he would have already been feeling falsely warm from his condition. The sleeping bag and clothes would have felt unbearable. Got up and wandered off looking to cool off. The brain thinks water below instinctively to cool down. To him, it wouldn't have been more serious of an issue than taking a quick bathroom relief in the woods, no need to wake Ben.
I always look forward to your videos. It's upsetting how these people just vanish and are never found. I feel for their families and friends. One topic that really interests me is the random stairs in the woods. I would really like to encounter them personally
@@elisabethnordin I live and let live. Having been a swim team member, having trained to be a lifeguard and with said experiences in cold water, in my personal opinion... no way he goes that far unless he has some amazing training, X-Men ability or an eager guardian angel. I actually spoke with a buddy who was a Navy seal and he agreed with me and he has much more experience in the water than I do. All of that said, why not ask about my opinion before convicting me of being a jerk? I love stories like these, yet I am 100% OK with calling out total bullshit if I see it. I’m not sure why that would bother anyone else because my opinion can’t hurt you... it can’t cause any harm... it’s just an opinion. I feel really bad for people who seek validation from strangers on social media, and I always ask people who get upset over stupid comments, why? Why does it matter what other people think? And if it does matter why not first ask some questions to gain clarification on why they think the way they do? What is your motivation? If you’re motivation is to suggest to someone they handle something differently do you think approaching them in a non-accusatory manner might work better? I’m curious to know what you think. I too am very happy I did not drown that day, yet I learned a lot after that about how the body works in cold water. I’m looking forward to reply. Cheers.
What gives me chills is when I was a child around 4-5 years old me and my family went to the smoky mountains on this trail and my dad would always film on his camcorder whenever we traveled. I could remember on the tape about me explaining how I saw a bear and how it moved. At the time everyone laughed cause all kids speak nonsense but it’s similar with the missing of the Martin kid about other kids seeing bears walking...
The forest is nowhere near as dangerous as most urban areas in the USA such as Chicago, NYC, Baltimore, Oakland, St. Louis, Detroit, Philadelphia, etc. The Great Smoky Mountains is a beautiful, tranquil and safe place which sees over 12 million visitors per year with only a small fraction of those being injured (which is not uncommon in any environment) or going missing (less than 12 in over 50 years). Your are safer in the Smokies than in any of the aforementioned cities.
@24:00 Very much like the Oct 8th 1976 case of Trenny Gibson! I have read all of the Missing 411 books with specific attention to the Great Smokey National Park cases. The incredible thing (other than matching Missing 411 profile points) is that when you put pins (or just labels) on your Google Map, these cases are literally within a two mile radius. I don't want to scare anyone but if you are planning to hike to Clingman's dome, especially between 3-4:30 PM... You should be holding hands with your hiking partners and recording every second of it on your smartphone. You should also have a personal locator beacon on you and you should not wear bright red.
It's interesting that, although Ireland doesn't have these kinds of disappearances, everyone knows the old tales of people being "caught by the faeries" and taken away to places where time doesn't pass like it does here.
@@Loralanthalas Not all. I live near to one that is ancient. An area of "outstanding scientific importance" When you get off the path respectfully, listen and observe, you can sense the spirit of it. You become part of it. It's easy to get lost if you don't keep your focus wide
I regularly hike GSMNP and know all of these stories. I have hiked many trails in the park and most of those I have hiked alone. Most of the people that have gone missing have simply wandered off and gotten lost. It is very easy to do even in some well traveled trails. The best things to do are to prepare for the worst case scenario, tell someone where you will be, stick to your plan, stay on the designated trails and always be aware of your surroundings.
Thank you for another great video . And Thank you for having different thoughts of this topic,it it so unusual that theses people just go away to never be heard from again.👍
Avid hiker in my local area not a state national park, usual routine but had a gut feeling something was waiting for me, turned back. I could hear loud thumps on the ground when I was jogging back to my truck. Didn’t think much it. Invisible, couldn’t see it? Day3 Something made a loud growl outside my door, ran away, the whole street lit up with dog barks/ use to live close to where I use to hike. Day4 strange noises outside, pebbles thrown at my house.Day 7 something climbed on top of the house and stayed there, went back to sleep. Morning I couldn’t force myself awake, felt I was suffocating. Tried to fall sleep since I couldn’t wake up so as not to use more oxygen than needed. Eventually woke up. Day 9. Strange noises again, went outside with rifle, nothing, went to sleep. Two weeks later, saw the creature, gray alien looked all dark under moonlight? Moved away couple months later.
I basically live in the smokey mountains and I can tell you some stories that will raise the hair on your neck and I've seen things I wished I hadn't but I love these mountains and it's my home but the weather here is like no other place it can be 70 for three days and turn to snow and 0 degrees in just hours the weather here is not predictable in the winter time so anyone plan on hiking here be prepared of this and never go unarmed
@@mareerosebakeshoppe9667 I go hiking in the Smokys all the time and usually by myself. I've never felt creeped out or anything. Just make sure you dress for all weather conditions. Never go off trail you will certainly get lost. The woods here very disorientating.
We used to go hiking and camping in the Smokey's 2-3 times a year. We didn't even do camp sites, just pull off the road and find a spot in the woods next to a stream. I don't know if you can even do that anymore but this was 20 years ago. It's scary to hear these stories because we used to always go off in the woods as kids and run ahead on trails!!!! I can't imagine losing someone while enjoying yourself so much.
Your parents likely gave you a TON of lessons- always look around, know if you're going up or down hill, which way the sun is and the directions, which side of trees all the moss grows on. --- Most parents don't teach their kids basics of surroundings and navigation, it's a learned skill.
[ ] I come from Montenegro my grandfather was a sheep shepherd of around 250/300 sheeps. He has told me stories when I was just a kid that make sense to me now. He told me that theres a type of a mist that can appear especially in bad weather and can take a person miles and miles away after that the person doesnt remember a thing, He lived on high altitudes of almost 3000m. Now this is an old man who never had a tv, didnt read nore write. He also told me a story about a cavemen/tall beasts if your interested please write in reply and I will share that one too. #Missing411
I visited the Smokies two years ago and right at the entrance of the park there was a sign that read: "Enter at your own Risk" That right there, freaked us out.. I knew something was up in that forest..
Anyone who dislikes my man's channel an content can go back down the hole they crawled from! TM dude you're content just keeps getting better an better, absolutely love the amazing visuals an gives it a hands on feel. Amazing respect always from F.L. USA😎🔝👊🏾💪🏾👏🏼
David Palides is a well informed individual. He's the one who first noticed these missing people anomalies in parks. He's a trained retired police detective with years of experience and does his research well. He has numerous books on this subject also. He is more than qualified to speak on and draw attention to these missing people.
Recently moved to East TN, just living here in the country, at the base of some hills, makes me feel uneasy. Dont know how else to explain it besides saying that the woods watch your every move and you never feel alone.
...imo, as far as the first story when a seemingly out of energy person can walk another two miles is easy, the body's survival instinct and recovery mode is stronger than any of us really realize and when your body is fighting for it's life, two miles is a very short distance imo.
Absolutely fascinated with disappearances & unexplained cold cases in general but I really am intrigued by national park mysteries so thank you for the upload. Will it be a series covering different national park cases ?
i love that you take such great detail and time to get the vids ready i know im in for a edge of my seat time thats not easy for me so good job#get him more subs!
People really need to buy David's books to see the complexity and the terrifying reality of the mystery at hand. Personally, I've bought 5 of the 8 or 9 Missing 411 books and I always find myself digging into them to re-read some of these perplexing cases. You can't begin to grasp the amplitude and magnitude of this mystery without reading the books.
@@Ur2ez4me81 Thanks for asking. Personally I'd go with the first two volumes, Western United states and Eastern United states/Canada. These two books are in reality one huge volume split into two, both contain hundreds of cases that truly show the complexity of the mystery we are facing and offer great insights into David's quest for the truth. In my opinion these two books are a must-have for those having an interest in the phenomenon and in David's work, you absolutely need to read these books to truly grasp the full complexity and weirdness of what is happening in these parks and rural areas. Go for it! 👍😀
This topic is very interesting! Btw, I love your narrations. English is my second language and still, I understand everything you said and your voice is soothing and relaxing. :)
I was a forestry/wildlife major in college and I can tell you it's really easy to hide in the woods and not be seen. I think she is these are people who got lost or injured and ended up (willingly or not) in places they just couldn't be seen. Some I have no question were abducted by someone hiding. Like everyone says, stay in trail and never separate. This isn't television, no one is going to show up in 5 minutes with full rescue crew to come get you. The wildlife is real.
Thank you so much for posting these stories! VERY interesting and this one was no exception 👌🏼 The first story was SO harrowing ! These men faced insurmountable odds. I can’t believe I had never heard of it before 😲 All the stories were quite fascinating and mysterious (nefarious 🤔)
Missing411 is my favorite topic. Real life events that are unexplained and any clues only make it more of a mystery. My condolences to anyone involved. I'm not a believer in Big Foot, but something weird is definitely happening
It's very obvious that its more of an abduction than someone being lost. All national parks and forests are on top of military and terrestrial underground bases.
I love your channel. I'm fascinated by mysterious disappearances in general, and I love listening to your videos all day while I'm at work. Keep up the good work!
It is like the more you look into this stuff the more questions you get. This is a very strange yet there is some type of intelligence at work here. Turn around one second and your child disappears?! Adults going missing?! It is a very DEEP AND VERY WIDE RABBIT HOLE TO DIVE INTO!!!👀😵😨
In the case of Thelma Pauline Melton, she had stopped to talk to a man in a car before hitting the trail. She then got way ahead of her husband and friends, as you mentioned. Months later, there was a check written from her checking account. It was cashed at a bank in Georgia. It was never checked out thoroughly. With handwriting analysis the way it is now, that could be checked out to see if it was her handwriting. But nothing was ever done. We lived by Deep Creek Trail in the smokies for 21 years until recently and walked this trail every week. We also went to Clingmans Dome many, many times and walked part of the Appalachian Trail. It’s a very beautiful and peaceful place. Anyway, just wanted to add the information about Thelma. Great video. Thank you 🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂
My point was all the information I happened to know about, and he didn’t say. He told about Thelma’s disappearance, but evidently didn’t know that she was heard from later. She possibly fled with someone else. And Trinny disappeared at Clingmans Dome, so just mentioned that I have been there. He said if anyone had information that he didn’t mention, to please say in the comments, so I did.
Re: last very large lady: maybe her husband lied and she had returned to trailer ahead of friends. I don't see why he would, nor can I think what he could have done with her body that would have obliterated all trace of her and any foul play. Of course, no one was searching around the trailer site. The only other thing that occurs is that she was never there, but that would have involved the friends in a conspiracy and I don't know their motive. Did she have a really large estate her husband inherited or have a really large insurance policy? I ask because money would seem to be the only motive for 3 people to conspire to do away with a person based on the meager information provided here. A conspiracy of the 3 seems the only option, other than an alien abduction. They killed her and disposed of her body 50 or 100 miles away. Traveled to the location. Husband stayed in trailer and friends headed out to establish the story. OR, she was in on it. She changed her appearance...a lot, took a bus or somehow went to an apartment pre rented and stocked in a large city where neighbors don't interact and hid out there. The other 3 handled the alien/big foot plan, absolutely no contact amongst them to foul their plan. Husband collects insurance. Divied up and he rendezvoused with wife 6 months later, having sold any property, etc. You do not mention any children, for this to work, children would be a complication. All of this sounds ridiculous, but no more ridiculous than what you imply with the facts given. I would suggest research into the actions and movements of the 3 in the year following the tragedy, if it was.
something is definitely out there watching us, mocking at us and sometimes taking advantage of the situation. to me, similarities between different cases that David describes are mind-blowing.
The only similarity I see is Dumbasses that should stay in that cozy apartment in the city because they don't have common sense enough to deal with nature
I’m not saying Jesus Christ is the answer, but when you’re faced with something at this level of evil that isn’t a random animal but could be paranormal or worse; organized paranormal operations then *JESUS CHRIST WITH YOU*
It's most likely people in today's day and age simply don't know how to survive in the wilderness as alot of our knowledge has been lost with the way most people live today that people have simply become stupid when it comes to survival without the proper training and knowledge!
Excellent video!👍 I also think that the first story is basically a case of hypothermia. It is not abnormal enough, based on this information, to be a "Missing 411" type of case. But I don't know all the facts of the case either. I was thinking about how people are found in places far off the trails. Like the mother that was supposed to meet her daughter in the parking lot. Could there be something that catches one's attention and lures them away? It would have to be something which is able to mesmerize them or perhaps imitate the voice of a loved one in order to make them panic enough to override common sense. Just a thought. Thank you for a fascinating video! Have a good night and a great day! And enjoy the rest of the weekend! 😊💕💕💕👍
From Georgia, been all over the smokies , did not know about all this crazy stuff till 2015, most of my hiking was by myself too, couldn't pay me to go alone now... Beautiful up there , glad I'm here to talk about it....
I really like that you didnt just lap up paulides's word like a thirsty dog on a hot day and basically regurgitate it to make your video. You actually gave some very insightful criticism and pointed out things that he never seems to mention that is a big reason why many people may be found with out shoes or coats on that he makes seem like is so bewildering, while anyone with any knowledge of camping or hypothermia know. I do enjoy his work and it has intrigued me for sure. I just think some things he points out as mysterious are actually pretty straightforward and he's trying to add spook factor where none is needed and therefore hurts his credibility. But thanks for the awesome video!
I always have trouble understanding those instances like Thelma's where it said she decided to walk a little faster than her hiking companions and she walked "a few steps" ahead of them. She walked up the small hill on the trail and went over the top where she was out of her companions' vision "for a few minutes". These inexact amounts of time would seem important to me. What is everyone's definition of "a few minutes"? The hiking companions were close enough to her that, if there had been a bear attack against Thelma on the down-side of the little hill on the trail, they would have heard the commotion and heard her being dragged off through the brush at the side of the trail. It takes a bear a few minutes to subdue and get a good grip on their prey before they can start to drag them off through the brush. In order for the hiking companions to hear or see nothing, the gap between their timing must be more like 10 or 15 minutes, not "a few minutes". And if Thelma had chosen that moment to disappear and make a get-away without being seen, it's the same principle. She could not be on the trail one minute and completely and utterly out of sight and hearing range "a few minutes" later. Again, there would have had to have been a time gap or 15 minutes or so that would have allowed Thelma to run through the brush far enough away that her companions could no longer hear the swishing of leaves and the snapping of twigs as Thelma ran through the brush. The only way to really gauge what COULD have happened would be to have more accurate times that the hikers were apart or out of sight of each other. Because "a few minutes" is not anywhere like "15 minutes" or "20 minutes".
Amy Murphy probably it’s mostly people who underestimate their trip/over estimate their abilities. It’s why you will hear a lot of “he was an experienced hiker/climber/etc. he wouldn’t have done that” but the more you do something often the less careful you are. Think about your first time driving a car compared to now, you get careless. Also there are cougars(ambush predator), wild boars (omnivores that will attack deer fawns and baby cattle), coyotes, black bears and rattle snakes in Tennessee and the surrounding area. This especially for children and the elderly. You can take a tumble, hit your head and lose consciousness then succumb to the elements. If you tear a ligament or break a bone a predator would see you as an easy target. There is also the human element, our national parks have a big problem with people setting up temporary drug labs and grow ops in the woods due to the isolation, if you get too close the people will likely just shoot you and move you somewhere else. People also underestimate children, they are more capable than a lot of people think.
@@ohsweatbret what are you crazy.... Look at all the patterns of all the persons who vanished and the deceased found mann u need 2 do some more research no drug lab wants any heat around their dome.
TheBrooklynFella as I said, likely these people met their end due to animal predation, but meth labs are all over our national parks, it’s been a problem going back to the early 2000s. We are talking thousands of acres of land unpopulated land and supplies that can easily be packed into a few duffel bags. People literally set up methlabs in motel rooms for a couple days to make their product and move on. Factor that in with criminal organizations that have nearly unlimited funding. Cannabis farming has also become a big problem in national parks. If someone is already looking at 30+ years for drug manufacturing on federal land and fire arms charges are on the line I doubt they would hesitate to kill someone and move shop to another location.
Another thought..Along with a time slip the people in the parks are a food source for the creatures who inhabit the parks..What creatures..maybe big foot which are not of this earth and we are their food source ..
Snow storm and a tornado? And they still continued?? And ...then splitting. You never leave anyone behind. 🤦🏻♀️ You either turn back together or you continue together.
1) Some hikers without waterproof clothing went for a very rough hike, one of the three even aborted halfway because it was too treacherous. The second became exhausted and irrational enough to drop his backpack against his friend's better judgment. They then got caught in a terrible snowstorm and they both stopped hiking, and the irrational one, alone and now realizing he was probably going to freeze to death, cried out for help. I mean how is that weird? I'd yell for help too, hoping if _anyone_ was nearby they might possibly hear me. Third guy gets back, freezing guy makes one last ditch effort to get somewhere, maybe a shelter, and dies after making it 2 miles or so. 2 miles is not that big of a deal, even for someone expending their last tiny bit of energy on willpower alone, trying not to die. His body is later found, frozen to death. Not mysterious at all. 2) Older lady gets lost in a huge forest after splitting up from her daughter. People search, and they find her body after she dies of exposure. People _do_ get lost even off of sign posted trails. Actually happened to me in a much smaller park, and I suddenly found myself not on a trail at all. And I'm an experienced hiker. Took some careful backtracking before I got back onto a trail and found the next sign post. Trails all tend to look alike in a big forest. There's _nothing_ in this story to indicate anything weird happened at all, no evidence whatsoever. People wouldn't even think it was very interesting unless someone like Paulides made it seem creepy or unusual. 3) Family went for a hike, kid got separated from them. Kids do that all the time, they see something or want to investigate something in the woods and think they'll catch up easily, or they run ahead and get distracted and go off-trail, then they panic. Ever see someone in a panic? They scramble frantically. Maybe he heard a waterfall and went in the wrong direction toward the other waterfall. Maybe he climbed up trying to get a view and his bearings. I mean a quarter mile away is not unusual, and kids can climb rocks. Then he fell. Then they found his body. What is so unusual about this one? Again, no evidence whatsoever that anything weird happened, other than Paulides injecting his "wooo, spooky!" factor into it because they didn't do an autopsy, hence that automatically = _cover up._ 4) Interesting one, it seems doubtful an older lady would pick a big national park to go off and start a new life or something.
Thank you. I feel so sorry for the three young men in the first story. But I also don't understand how three intelligent individuals would go on a snow hike without even bringing waterproof jackets? And then they always kept going? Seemed a bit forced(?), idk. I'd love to know more about this case. And yes, David Paulides actually mentioned Suzan / her daughters RUclips channel and videos (about the death of her mum) on his offical website. I really appreciate the work that you do! The only thing I think you could do better when you make Missing 411 videos would be to show the actual search areas, places, footages (if there are any) of the cases, etc. Because what really makes you realize HOW strange same of the cases are is, when you visualize the whole pictue. For example, if you dispute with Suszans case closely and you look on a map or photos at the distance from the parking lot or how easy this terrain was etc., it left me - speechless. Also, yes, there was a strange fog that came up when the search started, but the weather did not change in a way that it was likely for someone to die on hypothermia. This case is extremely(!) strange. And it was very hard to watch her daughters videos. She doesn't wants to hear anything about Missing 411 or the Missing 411 topic being linked to her mums death though.
Hey! Please do share your thoughts in regards to the disappearances mentioned - I do always read all of the comments and reply to as many as I can. Also, finally weekend so do have a good, yet safe one! Also I give a brief explanation of hypothermia and paradoxical undressing and I say the blood vessels swell, but I meant constrict! Oops!
I dont mind the narration.
@@jonathanturbide2232
Shut up hater. The narration is better than chills and others. Why dont you make videos if you're so great and then we can critique you
@@usa5439 totally agree, I actually really enjoy his narration
@@IamAGrizzly
Yeah there are 3 other guys that I saw making these videos and he is the best.
Excellent work, TM. Really, I'm a former video producer/editor, and audio engineer, and I can say with confidence; shine off the negative assholes who drop hate on your work, they're just jealous. Your work is among the best on youtube. Period. Keep it up! The world needs to know this stuff. Thanks for all that you do.
I'm from the UK and have had the pleasure of hiking the Smokies, I hiked part of the Appalachian trail and can tell you first hand its spooky, I was aware of the national park missing cases beforehand so when you're actually there it's very hard to forget how easy it is to disappear forever. It's a beautiful place but that being said its definitely the creepiest national park I've hiked!
Hi there, from the states OA 🇺🇸
I agree - eerie atmosphere
The smokey mountain trails has several serial killers operating it too. Watch out. Trust noone.
Brian Mccann that’s the first I’ve heard of that
@@plasticflashlight3039 they rarely get caught but there have been many killers who pick people off common hiking trails or biking trails even.
The Thelma story.... this happened to someone I knew she went ahead of everyone, somehow fell off the trail and wedged herself deep into rocks. She died of brain injury and exposure. The body was very hard to find because of the rocks.
There is a rule about splitting up or hiking ahead .... never do it.
Its like a horror movie you never split up . Never
I didn't know her body was ever found. I thought that was the woman who was possibly planning to run away from her older, fairly disabled husband who she was largely caring for and after a series of failed marriages. Her behaviour in the days leading up to her vanishing was suspicious and there were cheques cashed on her account the year after but the bank teller couldn't remember the person who'd done it. There was no CCTV in 1981. The local pastor as the charity centre she volunteered at thought she might be having an affair (never proven) and she made phone calls there which she had never done before in all the years she'd worked there. I think she went off to start a new life and her behaviour on the trail was very odd, speeding up and then slowing down several times in an attempt to throw off her companions to make good her exit.
Richard Helliwell you are right. She had talked to a man in a car in the parking lot, then deliberately hiked way ahead of everyone in her party. There were checks written in Georgia from her account. Nowadays, there should be handwriting specialists to know if it was her handwriting or not. We lived in the town where she went missing from and hiked that same trail almost every day. It’s a very family oriented, nice trail. Weird though. I’d like to see those checks be annualized 🙂
@@0518Purple Yes - that would be interesting if they still exist. If she had been abducted I cannot imagine the perpetrator would have run the risk of being identified by cashing her cheques in a bank! I think the handwriting on the cheques was thought to be hers at the time, but it's only what I read. It's another case that David Paulides makes a lot of even though the explanation looks fairly simple.
@Forest Lover
No she hit her head and was unconscious until she passed from exposure. It was a very sad thing as she was only 26.
Been to Great Smoky Mountains National Park twice. Before I head of the Missing 411 phenomenon. I felt strange hiking on the trails as if someone or something was watching me. Beautiful place but very creepy
DelmarvaReptiles always go with your intuition. Better safe than sorry
Be careful, don't ever go back alone. Take a camera too
I've lived here in Pigeon Forge, all my life. I remember a lot of these, it's very easy to get lost if you go off the trails at all. You can lose direction easily. GOD bless all these families, and future visitors.
I understand that feeling you mentioned of being watched. It reminds me of something that happened to me when I was a teenager in my hometown. On the edge of town was a small park in a hollow. It had been closed for years but still had old picnic areas, a small amphitheater and old signs depicting park trails. I used to visit the place out of curiosity, and one thing that stood out was each time I went there the vibe got weirder, as if I was being watched closely and intently by someone or something. And this feeling got stronger during each visit. The final time I was planning to go there, I was half way down the old trail in when it was as though I'd hit a wall. I couldn't go any further and I felt both sick and frightened. It's hard to explain but it's like that 'inner voice' was actually yelling 'GO BACK!!' After I reached the street above the feeling vanished. I haven't been back to that place in all these years.
I would be scared to hike there as it is because they have bears there.
I'm gonna say this once, AFTER GETTING OUT OF THE CAR, STAY TOGETHER! - PERIOD.
@@grandcatsmama3421 everyone should get shackles like in a chain gang then everyone would stay together or disappear together!
don't forget to wear an adult diaper so you can just shit yourself instead of taking a dump in the bushes.
My advice is take chalk. You can mark the trees as you.
These comments omg 😂
@FM D I hope they did too
It’s really scary how many people just vanish into thin air in these parks and forest areas. Thank you for these videos and for keeping us informed! 😊
Scary and really odd the internet is where we find the stories?
Yes I agree. What makes it worse is that we do not know the actual numbers of missing people since its not made public unless it hits the news. I would like to know just here in my national forest. (I'm in the mountains weekly and have had some strange experiences. ) I mean it would be nice to know if a serial killer is under the radar or a mountain lion on the rampage or even a possible BF in the forest. The woman lost at G Creek is almost at my backyard. Never found.
People dont just vanish into thin air, ----they vanish into another dimension!!!!
@@rowdyyates4273 Definitely cannot be eliminated as a possibility since people have been known to disappear before witnesses like in Selma, Ala. many years ago.
@Mr Westie
They disappear, only to reappear sometimes miles from where they originally disappeared and they usually are found without shoes.
Are nefarious inter-dimensional shape-shifters to blame?
If so, are they harvesting people's spirits and or adrenochrome?
That other dude that turn back he made a smart decision
You're right Nate,he was smart to turn back.And what were they thinking hiking at that time of year when the probability of hazardous weather was so great.That's crazy.
Get the fak outta there!
Hell yeah , he noped right the fck out of that debacle
I had an experience a few years ago while hiking with my daughter in the Smokies: It was a beautiful day, nothing unusual, then all of a sudden, everything went dead silent, the wind stop blowing, and we both had a very uneasy feeling as if we were being watched or were in danger. This lasted for about 3 or 4 minutes, and then everything went back to normal. The breeze came back and the forest sounds resumed. Later on, I learned that this is a phenomenon that many people have experienced there, and in other places around the country.
Look, in all fairness you startled me too ! So I just froze and didn’t take my eyes off of you ...It was a bit scary ...You were some of the first humans I ever encountered
I've also hiked alot of times here in these mountains and have experienced this same thing. It's very unnerving and makes you feel like you want to take off running , like something is fixing to happen that my freinds is your body telling you something. It's a natural gift that a person has. My advice is this. If you do hike alone kinda stay with others , not up on them , just stay somewhat behind or in front of. Never hike alone.
There are animals that hunt and they can snatch you off of a trail without you making a sound. They will drag you off to have a meal. Scary but true. Allways be aware of your surroundings. Enjoy !!!! Yes !!!! But be very vidualent and never never hike alone.
Bruce Hall 🤣🤦♂️
@@MatanuskaHIGH I have something to comment on. I to experienced that same thing here while back. Kinda makes you feel like turning around in circles trying to watch out for yourself and almost makes you feel very uneasy. I to felt like something was stalking me. I was hiking alone stupid me. Then everything went back to normal. That is your body telling you something could happen here. Panic kinda sits in. But I ended up being ok. But I haven't been back on that certain trail either.
People don't understand the wilderness is not like their "safe spaces" they live their lives in. Never go alone, bring extra food and water, all weather gear, a means to get help, and weapons--a good hunting knife at the very least!
Absolute top advice!
Weapons dont do anything since many people went missing with their guns and all the gear you mentioned.
@@usa5439 plus once wet guns are useless.
@@daphne4983 what are you useing muzzleloaders?
@@donnyc9430 don't own.guns
My question is....why the hell are groups breaking up when they go to these locations? Is it a competition to see who can hike the fastest? My personal opinion...I think that Jeepers Creepers thing is really flying around hunting and stalking people. These movies are telling us things but are we paying attention. The Hills have eyes...😳😳
Uh..wow
in some cases they don't even break up. sometimes, one just ends up walking behind the others, out of their sight, and when they turn around he/she is gone. that seems to be pretty rare but that's been mentioned in some of the cases in the books. also, not to speculate but considering how far out the rest of the details of these cases are, we can't really assume anything. we can't even assume that these people are responsible for their own judgment. if we can imagine some UFO or portal sucking them up through the 4th dimension, or fairies walking out of boulders and kidnapping hikers, then surely we can imagine some kind of entity or force that controls the victims' minds, or lures them away from their group, or somehow diminishes their critical thinking and survival instincts. and if one of those ideas is the case, it wouldn't surprise me much, since it explains a lot of the other phenomena, particularly the weird behavior of many of the victims. ditching clothes, food, and important gear, yet sometimes holding onto relatively useless, heavy stuff. something i've noticed in a LOT of these cases is that if the victim went missing with a camera, the camera is almost never found. in the few cases when it is found, weird pictures are often found on it, when the storage isn't permanently damaged. but in most cases the camera simply remains missing forever, even when other discarded items are quickly found. so you get the impression that these people almost never discard their cameras, yet somehow manage to throw away their pants, shoes, socks, sleeping bags, food, beacons, etc. all the time. pretty weird behavior, and not consistent with (the unproven hypothesis) paradoxical undressing. often people ditch their clothes even when they go missing in temperate climates. sometimes their pants or shoes are found as little as a few hours after they first went missing. conditions where they couldn't possibly be hypothermic, unless they were suffering some kind of bizarre genetic disorder affecting their thermoregulation/homeostasis.
@@ToxicallyMasculinelol Great points I also believe what ever is taking and killing these people has the ability to control ones mind it would explain some of the strangeness
White people love to split up for some reason when there's danger around. I have no idea why.
Back east the Jeepers Creepers are called Hillbillies. Out west they are called Druggies!!! Dangerous and evil, laws rules and regulations do not seem to apply to them. Only to law abiding citizens. Many of these missing people are probably kidnapped raped robbed tortured like a cat with a mouse and then killed. It seems that some of them are later placed in water and/or areas already searched so they can be found. Thus no mass numbers of people probing the area so the low life types are back in business. I think mostly they steal from campsites but if they can get the drop on someone???
So sad seeing those smiling faces at the start & not knowing what happened to them other than it’s not good! 😢
Give me your IG!
I live in the Blue Ridge mountains..and am very close to the smokies..nice to hear some cases from "my neck of the woods " I am in the woods almost daily,and knowledge of missing 411 has definitely changed my behavior while in the forest...
Do you think that people are so overwhelmed by the natural beauty that they totally misinterpret just how dangerous it is?
Agree
When sniffer dogs or cadaver dogs can't find you, you are a gonner.
A moose and a gorilla have already tried to kill me. No way in heck I’d go into nature alone. Pretty sure they tried to attack me because they sensed I was a weak link. I had undiagnosed Addison’s disease when this happened. Also, German. I figure that puts a huge target on my back.
Two very territorial animals. You shouldn't have been close enough for an incident to happen. Moose kill more people than any other animal in north America.
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Phalanx Both at different zoos. I was standing in front of a floor to ceiling crack in the glass. The gorillas were at least ten feet away. I looked away for a second & one gorilla ran to where I was & smashed on the glass. Pretty sure I peed myself.
The moose was grazing. Looked up & saw us behind the BARBED WIRE. He casually strolled over. We were excited & saying how sweet. When he got in front of me he lowered his head & rammed his antlers into the fence. We left fast. I do believe they somehow knew I was ill.🤷♀️
Lol...
When I was four, a wild coyote tried to attack me in a populated area. There was no reason for the coyote to have even gotten close enough, but it lunged at me. My grandmothers neighbor shot it mid-air. That was a few months before I was diagnosed with hear complications
These stories confirm what every good D&D group already knows. Never split the party.
I am from western nc, that’s scary, but they are legends about things in our forests here An Tennessee, even in the foot hills as well , there’s a stories all in these mountains of all kinds of creatures even my grandmother told me of some things
East TN here
The spear finger
Your grandma is lying, KIM JONG-IL is scary!!!
Kim Jong-un
Hey maybe the forest will get rid of trolls Like you, lying bad human trolls, beware the lord of forest will not be forgiving.
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Bigfoot, for one not a nice one it was destructive in our small mountain farm, we found a dog not ours stuffed under the wall of our barn after many hard pulls to get it out it’s head was missing looked torn from body , scared us all, screaming ,foul Oder like, rotten cabbage this went on for a week I’m glad it left, then we heard some people in Tennessee had there hogs massacred it was after our two pigs ,my brother seen it he said I did to ,we were kids I remember running back to house I was scared wouldn’t get near any windows I truly think I blocked it from my memory I just know I hate to be near any window now.
Let's not bag on David too much, he is the one that has really brought the topic to the forefront. Good video by the way.
Agreed, though the goal is not to bag on anyone. I have to be honest when reviewing these incidents.
I agree. David has been doing this a long time and like the first missing person in this video I believe there is more reasons he thinks they fit the profile for missing 411. He gets all the details and reports and talks to the families and people they were with.
@@blueeyedgypsy485 I agree... my point was mostly directed at some of the comments more than the author. If it wasn't for David, none of this or the zillion of other videos would even be here.
@@blueeyedgypsy485 From the info here, it doesn't seem to be such a mysterious case, just hypothermia. But you make a good point.
@@nomdeguerre13 You make a good point, as well. We would never have been aware of these types of cases without David and his books.
Unimaginably awful for the companions in these cases.
These, (at the time seemingly small and inconsequential) decisions must haunt people for a rest of their lives.
Excellent work yet again - the content is dealt with extremely well considering the upsetting and poignant subject matter.
I think all these people should never split up they should all be together and they should tie ropes to each other and they should stay together no matter what do not go in the woods alone who knows what's in there it could be real life predators in there from another galaxy or another time or another dimension invisible who knows that's in there I don't think it's Bigfoot I think it's a little more worse than that so don't go in alone and go in armed and do not go when it's snowing take quite a few people with you and stay in the wilderness with people and in the car do not split up because it could be Predators out to get anybody today stay safe people peace
She thelma must of been really spry for her age !! Left friends & hubby behind ! So s this hike must of beens her, escape s ! Nevers toos bes founds against ! Someone !must beens waite ing for hers ! Old throbbing s heart s ! With gualf carts !! You wouldn't here's it ! Thank you
Thanks for your videos!!! I binge watch them while doing work. I'm obsessed with the missing 411 cases now lol
I was in the redwoods a few years ago, with my little family and my boyfriend's family, there was nobody else on the trail, and we were walking through the trails for a little while, before we left i really had to go to the bathroom and there was no bathroom. So I went back up into the trail by myself, deep into the redwoods and the really big ferns they have. Anyway, I found a secluded spot, and went to the bathroom. While I was going, I had this strange, creepy feeling of being watched. I looked around and nothing was there. Gave me goosebumps, I hurried up and ran back to my family. Before I got into the car I looked one more time and just had a strange feeling. I didn't know about the missing people in state parks till last year. I would have never went alone if I knew what I knew now. Thank God I didn't disappear. Scares me when I think about it.
CaliLove My sister had the same expierence in Yosemite! In happy isles, and now she won’t go back. Thankful she was with someone, we always try to stay together to avoid ending up in Missing 411 books.
Nooooo! NEVER go alone & never let anyone out of sight! There’s so much out there!
Glad you were aware & you picked up your senses! Most of all, glad you’re safe
@@lahoku I used to hike alone in the Ocala National Forest as it’s not that remote compared to other places. Then I read “Dark Secrets of the Ocala Forest.” Apparently a lot of shady stuff involving meth in there.
If u felt u were being watched btw then u most likely were. Whether it was an animal, person, or something else.
@@meredithgrubb7027 that's really creepy. Could have been a person or "something else". Idk scary though.
That's why everyone should carry a whistle when going out. Whistles are one of the best bang-for-the-buck items you can have with you in an emergency or survival situation.The sound of a whistle will attract rescue personal to your location.
Or screw the national park laws and illegally carry a small pistol. If you need it to scare off a momma bear with cubs like made us abandon our camp there (bad drought yr) or if you get lost screw a ticket you're alive... Otherwise hush and obey the law and I will too
Those who speak will never know, and those who know will never speak. That's my belief. The truth would probably upset the masses and make them uncontrollable which is unacceptable for those in power.
Maybe...
Bruh if ppl in power wanted to keep this a secret you’d think they’d be able to take down a couple RUclips videos. 🙄
@@lovecraftscat5044 Exactly. They let us "play" with such "puzzles" knowing we'll never see the bigger picture. Those who do - don't speak. Least of all on the internet. ;)
What u need to understand is that these disappearances occur all over the world with a lot of the same eerie circumstances
james kidd I’m sure anyone who watches these videos understands.
Oh we're not alone in this. By any means.
There was a time when my family took me to a forest, I was picking flowers just for fun and exploring. I saw something like 2 big apes or humans from a long distance I didn't know who and what they were, I was curious and wanted to check what are those things?! I tried getting a bit closer and I swear the more I keep walking the more they become so far for me to reach eventho they were standing in the same place. There is a moment I felt weird and disturbed when I felt I'm a bit far from my parents destination that's when I stopped went back, until this day I still remember it and curious about it
Excellent video man I really enjoyed this one growing up every summer we would camp in the smokies I always felt uneasy in them hills it's like it has its own presence like its alive almost even gives me an eerie feeling just thinking about them now. They are beautiful but so creepy at the same time.
I had participated in 30+ searches in my SAR career(mostly in NYS). For one..people are not prepared properly to hike...they also do not have a means to stay in the woods overnight. Lost persons are usually found well outside the search area. Most of these "disappearances" sound like ill-prepared hikers and/or intentional disappearances. Most people never look behind them when they hike or go off trail...so they have no idea what the return trip looks like. Many people getting lost after stepping 150 feet off the trail (usual rules for "restroom" breaks). They get lost and disoriented and never find the trail. Many folks when lost walk in circles or they follow drainages/creeks. Hypothermia and panic play a big role in why these people are found so far or never found. I find that in many cases rivers that are deemed unpassable or other natural barriers the IC folks use as lines to define search areas are not adequate as an estimate of how far the person could be. Another factor in all this is that people may carry compasses and maps and GPSs, but they do not know how to use them.
I'm always surprised people expect to find somone. Most of us can't even find our keys in our own house.
When you look at the incidences of people who have gone missing or have been discovered dead in suspicious circumstances,in similar regions throughout the world,I.e Dyatlov pass,one common thread that binds Dyatlov with some of the US disappearances is the deployment of military units,and not just any units but special forces,Spetsnaz units combed the Dyatlov area and the mountain troop of delta force combed the area where a 5 year old boy went missing,obviously,the military know what is potentially out there,whether it is a military experiment gone drastically wrong or they know that there are cryptids roaming these area,I.e bigfoot and the yeti,who knows,but it's interesting that these military units would be deployed in a very small number of these occurrences.Also,when they were deployed they were very heavily armed and they would have no contact with the other search and rescue teams,for sure,someone in government knows exactly what is going on.
I'm from British Columbia, Vancouver area. Do look into the many disappearances here. Particularly Capillano bridge area. As well the continue of shoes with feet turning up on our shores. Can't figure it out why it happens here.
They said that when you have hypothermia you want to take your clothes off and probably your shoes because you get really hot.
With feet?
@MICHELLE Parks well I think that their are a lot of ways the people are missing its just not one way its several. Like for the shoes with bones in them is a serial killer or killers that specifically do that and they might be travelers the go to different parks. Its just really mind boggling. I wonder if this has been happening for a long time or is it a newer phenomenon?
@MICHELLE Parks I didn't think of that.
Vancouver/Seattle has a Serial Killer.
Guy has killed Dozens on dozens of people. The Foot Killer. They did a documentary on it years sgo. FBI/Mounties think the killer has killed 100+ people.
It's as if the forest "opens up" for a brief moment and swallows them or a "portal" . Keeping an open mind ..
That is what I was thinking, a portal. To where, or from whom, or why, who knows. Question: could God be gathering people before the end so that they don't have to see the devastation that is coming?
Keepin’ your mind so open your brain falls out.
I think it’s more like aliens
Do remember that there was an account of an endurance trail biker that said he was suddenly overcome by heat and it was put into his head to find water, he even heard water flowing. His companions caught up with him while he was removing and folding his clothes. He suddenly "snapped out of it" a hypnotic state by his account and realized what he was doing. He was not one to stop or even put his foot down when determining to bike a specific trail. His companions were astonished to see that he had stopped at all. I don't necessarily trust paulides but there are accounts that don't fit into the explanation of physicians.
....More than likely Bigfoot, it plays a large roll in disappearances, the head trauma on Brad the kid, probably they stumbled into Bigfoot territory, it's highly territorial, they have been known to throw rocks and dead smallish tree trunks at people. Bigfoot has been reported by just a few people that they are telepathic, more than likely that "endurance trail biker" you mentioned was controlled by a near by Bigfoot. BF is making more appearances as of lately too. We are encroaching into its territory, building houses, roads etc.
I heard that his friend originally saw a large wolf man hybrid about 9 ft tall standing over his friend as he was taking off layers of clothes. But when it saw him it disappeared into the forest at an incredible speed.
@@DylanFowler i'm unaware of that portion of the story. I think it's been embellished. I don't believe there was any wolf creature involved.
@@terryreynolds13 if it helps you sleep at night, personally I'd rather sleep with one eye open thankyou very much.
Hey Nick have you heard of this story of missing 411 the devils in the details about a football player who was found dead. And before he died he had a conversation with his wife over the phone and told her he was being followed by two strange big men on shore, he was on a river boat.
Who here besides me, feels these occurrences are going get WORST as times goes on?
Not just that, but in the books the people who get lost are getting closer to towns. With some phone calls and CCTV recordings on record!
It gets weirder, 100%!
@@Staminist-MMF-80 Do you think these things would still happen to people, if they took drones with them that follow them? What do you think the drone would pick up on camera?
@@Hollywood1127 No clue my friend.. It all depends what will further researches show, why are these disappearances happening in the 1st place? Are these rich people harvesting bodies? Are these aliens? Maybe wormholes which the persons went through?
Many questions....
@@Staminist-MMF-80 it has to be a combination of things. My strongest belief ties into the Stranger Things theory. The ones who make it back alive are the lucky ones. For whatever reason they are able to hide until the portal opens back up and they return with no memory of what was on the other side.
Yes they are now being recorded in urban areas. It has almost seamlessly transitioned into cities now. It isn't just the parks anymore.
Glad to have something good to watch. Thank you 👍🏻
Hey Jenjay, most welcome 👍🏻
Why is your cat high 😂
The missing 411 mysteries are eerily fascinating... and very troubling. Great upload! 👍😊💯
The first story i do not understand those men. Who would *ever* think it's a good idea to go hiking in the snow?? Like whyyyyyyyy?????????
Yeah it was painful writing about that one. I felt that they should all have turned back when John did.
@@MissingVoidTV It's surprising no one else stepped in to convince them it wasn't a safe journey. Was it just them alone up there? I imagine others would have tried to convince them to not go any further.
It was just them as far as I am aware
@@MissingVoidTV Makes sense. I can't believe Paulides didn't mention him having hypothermia. I recently heard him speaking about that case and didn't give any inclination that could have been a cause of his behavior.
I don't understand why people put themselves in dangerous situations then rescuers have to search for them.
Thank you for presenting these cases. It is tragic that so many people get lost when planning a nice outing. I wonder if the fog
and terrain, plus lack of proper knowledge of preventing hypothermia, also, pushing themselves too much, could all add to the
problem. These parks are huge, and can present unexpected dangers. Always be cautious, let others know your itinerary, and
pay attention to weather forecasts. More than one person has been undone by early snowfalls. I enjoy your narration. It would
be nice if your videos might provide some previously unknown information. Stick together and don't try to push yourself too hard.
Please take all the proper precautions. Happy trails to you!
"Maybe" for Some Vanishings, folks have walked right into an invisible doorway to somewhere else-far away? I know people say "portal" but doorway to me feels right. I dunno, the whole thing gives me the creeps and keeps me OUT of National Parks!!
Hey Where Did The Road Go interviewed David Paulides on his book Missing 411 The Devils In the Details. In that interview David told a story about a couple who were hiking and the husband disappeared. During the days of the search a woman was walking along that trail and heard a man's voice yelling out for help. The woman went back and told the head park official and he told her he experienced the same thing she did.
@@optimusprime3477 Yeah, now THAT is beyond Weird, right? It "might be" IF what is Vanishing people is a doorway that remains Open, but because the newly missing, can't see it, can't return back to this area again??!! See, that sort of thing Really scares me!!
Check out the movie on Netflix called "In The Tall Grass". It relates very well with this theory.
Have you read the book A place called here by Cecilia ahern.. It is based on same concept
I love the way you made their pictures disappear at the beginning of the video. Sent a chill up my spine and really set the tone
Thank you for using reason in your discussion of these cases. These are the kind of unsolved mysteries channels I like.
Being a local here, it is also possible that Mark traveled downhill toward the creek. Even in the state he was in, downhill would make sense and certainly within a range he could have gotten to. No mention of it being downhill or uphill is really mentioned by David Paulides. This just appears to be a case of a perfect set of circumstances and poor decisions that led to hypothermia. First, they got went on the way up in the rain, than walked into the snow with clothes still wet. Once your cold, you don't feel the wet as much once you get into the colder air but your losing your internal core heat, so your body gives up circulation to the extremities to protect the cooling core. Less also to the brain, so also hypoxia plays a role here too.
Paradoxia/ acute hypoxia can occur not only at very high elevations, but lower as well. On Everest this is lack of oxygen due to high elevation. But it can be induced by hypothermia at lower elevations. It's still the body reacting to the cold to protect the heart core. Hypoxia is workable situation when high, dry and cold relieved. But not very workable if its brought on by hypothermia from being wet in the cold and unaware of it. Walking up even further into snow make for a worst case event for Hypoxic-hypothermia event. It's important to make it a priority to get dry so you can stave off hypothermia and becoming hypoxic because of it. Survivable if they would have stopped, removed wet cotton clothes and got in their sleeping bags after a fire or at least dried off even without a change of cloths. The first hiker knew this and turned back and its better to hike back alone, than do anything Ben and Mark were planning to do. Clearly, they had no map otherwise they would have seen the shelter on their map a few hundred yards further up. Or at this point, they were both hypoxic and didn't think of looking at it.
Hypoxia kills your senses and higher functions. They clearly didn't know how far along the trail and exactly where they were, maybe even roughly where the were. The advantage over being hypoxic at a lower elevation than being up high over 10,000 feet is once you are warm. oxygen returns to the extremities and brain. At high elevations supplemental O2 is needed or a dex shot. Much harder issues to solve. Imo, they were hypothermic hours before reaching the snow line and hypoxia could have onset before the snow line, by 6pm ,maybe before. No mention of them detailing the map if they had one, even at the time the first hiker turned around. At this point, they all weren't thinking the same. You are hours and quite far in a state of hypoxia when you start taking off your clothes for feeling hot or too warm. Mark was further along in this process as he had more issues on the way up than Ben. Probably got the most wet on the way up. This would explain why Ben never got to the point Mark did overnight. No account if Ben managed to dry off more in his sleeping bag than Mark did. Possibly already too hypoxic to think to dry off, as he would have already been feeling falsely warm from his condition. The sleeping bag and clothes would have felt unbearable. Got up and wandered off looking to cool off. The brain thinks water below instinctively to cool down. To him, it wouldn't have been more serious of an issue than taking a quick bathroom relief in the woods, no need to wake Ben.
I always look forward to your videos. It's upsetting how these people just vanish and are never found. I feel for their families and friends.
One topic that really interests me is the random stairs in the woods. I would really like to encounter them personally
That was a story on Reddit. Sorry to have to tell you that it's fake.
There should be photo proof of stairs in the woods if it exists.
This is a very interesting subject and you did a great job covering it. Thanks for another fantastic video.
Thank you very much Sharon
I’ve suffered from hypothermia once and there’s no way he could’ve traveled two miles. When I had it I couldn’t swim 20 feet with no current.
@@elisabethnordin I live and let live. Having been a swim team member, having trained to be a lifeguard and with said experiences in cold water, in my personal opinion... no way he goes that far unless he has some amazing training, X-Men ability or an eager guardian angel. I actually spoke with a buddy who was a Navy seal and he agreed with me and he has much more experience in the water than I do.
All of that said, why not ask about my opinion before convicting me of being a jerk? I love stories like these, yet I am 100% OK with calling out total bullshit if I see it. I’m not sure why that would bother anyone else because my opinion can’t hurt you... it can’t cause any harm... it’s just an opinion.
I feel really bad for people who seek validation from strangers on social media, and I always ask people who get upset over stupid comments, why? Why does it matter what other people think? And if it does matter why not first ask some questions to gain clarification on why they think the way they do? What is your motivation?
If you’re motivation is to suggest to someone they handle something differently do you think approaching them in a non-accusatory manner might work better? I’m curious to know what you think.
I too am very happy I did not drown that day, yet I learned a lot after that about how the body works in cold water. I’m looking forward to reply.
Cheers.
Being hypothermic in water, is very different to being hypothermic not in water.
love the way you articulate your videos...and YOUR VOICE!....i can always listen to
What gives me chills is when I was a child around 4-5 years old me and my family went to the smoky mountains on this trail and my dad would always film on his camcorder whenever we traveled. I could remember on the tape about me explaining how I saw a bear and how it moved. At the time everyone laughed cause all kids speak nonsense but it’s similar with the missing of the Martin kid about other kids seeing bears walking...
Do you still have access to that tApe
Do you have no memory of this or something?
we all appreciate the time you take to make these missing 411 videos thanks
our ancestors struggled to leave the wilderness and build settlements because the forest is DANGEROUS. think twice before entering.
j. g.c. Your comment don't make sense
The forest is nowhere near as dangerous as most urban areas in the USA such as Chicago, NYC, Baltimore, Oakland, St. Louis, Detroit, Philadelphia, etc. The Great Smoky Mountains is a beautiful, tranquil and safe place which sees over 12 million visitors per year with only a small fraction of those being injured (which is not uncommon in any environment) or going missing (less than 12 in over 50 years). Your are safer in the Smokies than in any of the aforementioned cities.
@@KayFabe87 no one hardly go or live in mountains that why
@@KayFabe87 i live Beverly Hills and never had any issues .Beverly hills is large city
It just gets weirder and weirder every day...
Very professional, very good. Well done brother. Peace and love to you.
@24:00 Very much like the Oct 8th 1976 case of Trenny Gibson!
I have read all of the Missing 411 books with specific attention to the Great Smokey National Park cases. The incredible thing (other than matching Missing 411 profile points) is that when you put pins (or just labels) on your Google Map, these cases are literally within a two mile radius. I don't want to scare anyone but if you are planning to hike to Clingman's dome, especially between 3-4:30 PM... You should be holding hands with your hiking partners and recording every second of it on your smartphone. You should also have a personal locator beacon on you and you should not wear bright red.
Watching this as I sit on the deck..visiting the smoky mountains. Eeeek. So peaceful but eerie af
I hope it was a good trip
It's interesting that, although Ireland doesn't have these kinds of disappearances, everyone knows the old tales of people being "caught by the faeries" and taken away to places where time doesn't pass like it does here.
Sad that all your forests are gone. 😔
@@Loralanthalas Not all. I live near to one that is ancient. An area of "outstanding scientific importance"
When you get off the path respectfully, listen and observe, you can sense the spirit of it. You become part of it. It's easy to get lost if you don't keep your focus wide
What I’m wondering is why don’t any park rangers ever go missing?
Cause rangers are skilled and learn the area... tourist come and don't use common sense... big difference!!
@@trevorzane272 exactly! They are always prepared!
Because they’re not park rangers... they’re POWER RANGERS! (Power rangers theme song begins)
@@mrstravel9381 lmao 😂
I regularly hike GSMNP and know all of these stories. I have hiked many trails in the park and most of those I have hiked alone. Most of the people that have gone missing have simply wandered off and gotten lost. It is very easy to do even in some well traveled trails. The best things to do are to prepare for the worst case scenario, tell someone where you will be, stick to your plan, stay on the designated trails and always be aware of your surroundings.
Agree, people underestimate how easy it is to get disoriented and lost out in the wilderness.
Thank you for another great video .
And Thank you for having different thoughts of this topic,it it so unusual that theses people just go away to never be heard from again.👍
Avid hiker in my local area not a state national park, usual routine but had a gut feeling something was waiting for me, turned back. I could hear loud thumps on the ground when I was jogging back to my truck. Didn’t think much it. Invisible, couldn’t see it? Day3 Something made a loud growl outside my door, ran away, the whole street lit up with dog barks/ use to live close to where I use to hike. Day4 strange noises outside, pebbles thrown at my house.Day 7 something climbed on top of the house and stayed there, went back to sleep. Morning I couldn’t force myself awake, felt I was suffocating. Tried to fall sleep since I couldn’t wake up so as not to use more oxygen than needed. Eventually woke up. Day 9. Strange noises again, went outside with rifle, nothing, went to sleep. Two weeks later, saw the creature, gray alien looked all dark under moonlight? Moved away couple months later.
That's mental! Did u get any footage of any of your experiences Jose?
Would be nice for the families to get closure x love the topic x and your channel x
I basically live in the smokey mountains and I can tell you some stories that will raise the hair on your neck and I've seen things I wished I hadn't but I love these mountains and it's my home but the weather here is like no other place it can be 70 for three days and turn to snow and 0 degrees in just hours the weather here is not predictable in the winter time so anyone plan on hiking here be prepared of this and never go unarmed
Could you say so stories?
I’m planning on moving to Gatlinberg and this really creeps me out. Any suggestions for when i move there?
@@mareerosebakeshoppe9667 I go hiking in the Smokys all the time and usually by myself. I've never felt creeped out or anything. Just make sure you dress for all weather conditions. Never go off trail you will certainly get lost. The woods here very disorientating.
@@mareerosebakeshoppe9667 Most of the trails in the Smokys are very well traveled. It's rare that you are by yourself for very long!
Anyone else here after hearing about the cannibals in the park on tiktok? 😳
Please get real.
no
Wait, what?... 😱
@@evtheschon Do you ever wonder what life would have been like if you'd gotten enough oxygen at birth!
@@kkorotovskikh These are my principles and if you don't like them...Well I have others.
We used to go hiking and camping in the Smokey's 2-3 times a year. We didn't even do camp sites, just pull off the road and find a spot in the woods next to a stream. I don't know if you can even do that anymore but this was 20 years ago. It's scary to hear these stories because we used to always go off in the woods as kids and run ahead on trails!!!! I can't imagine losing someone while enjoying yourself so much.
Your parents likely gave you a TON of lessons- always look around, know if you're going up or down hill, which way the sun is and the directions, which side of trees all the moss grows on. --- Most parents don't teach their kids basics of surroundings and navigation, it's a learned skill.
[ ] I come from Montenegro my grandfather was a sheep shepherd of around 250/300 sheeps. He has told me stories when I was just a kid that make sense to me now. He told me that theres a type of a mist that can appear especially in bad weather and can take a person miles and miles away after that the person doesnt remember a thing, He lived on high altitudes of almost 3000m. Now this is an old man who never had a tv, didnt read nore write. He also told me a story about a cavemen/tall beasts if your interested please write in reply and I will share that one too. #Missing411
ThaBrooklynFellah share please☺️
Interested
I visited the Smokies two years ago and right at the entrance of the park there was a sign that read: "Enter at your own Risk" That right there, freaked us out..
I knew something was up in that forest..
Yea .. I would of turned around & went back in my car .. eerie...
Excellent as always!
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PEOPLE: Stop going hiking and STOP camping. Go to a nice hotel or stay home.
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David Palides is a well informed individual. He's the one who first noticed these missing people anomalies in parks. He's a trained retired police detective with years of experience and does his research well. He has numerous books on this subject also. He is more than qualified to speak on and draw attention to these missing people.
He also fabricated stories and “evidence” and grossly exaggerated a lot of his stories. But okay.
Recently moved to East TN, just living here in the country, at the base of some hills, makes me feel uneasy. Dont know how else to explain it besides saying that the woods watch your every move and you never feel alone.
...imo, as far as the first story when a seemingly out of energy person can walk another two miles is easy, the body's survival instinct and recovery mode is stronger than any of us really realize and when your body is fighting for it's life, two miles is a very short distance imo.
Absolutely fascinated with disappearances & unexplained cold cases in general but I really am intrigued by national park mysteries so thank you for the upload. Will it be a series covering different national park cases ?
Absolutely, Ruaqayyahs. I would suggest taking a look at my other videos - I've documented lots of similar cases now from all over the world.
i love that you take such great detail and time to get the vids ready i know im in for a edge of my seat time thats not easy for me so good job#get him more subs!
Thanks very much for the kind words Michael - I certainly try to get as much detail as I possibly can
People really need to buy David's books to see the complexity and the terrifying reality of the mystery at hand. Personally, I've bought 5 of the 8 or 9 Missing 411 books and I always find myself digging into them to re-read some of these perplexing cases. You can't begin to grasp the amplitude and magnitude of this mystery without reading the books.
Agreed - they're linked below!
Jonathan Turbide If you had to pick one which one is the best in your opinion
@@Ur2ez4me81 Thanks for asking. Personally I'd go with the first two volumes, Western United states and Eastern United states/Canada. These two books are in reality one huge volume split into two, both contain hundreds of cases that truly show the complexity of the mystery we are facing and offer great insights into David's quest for the truth. In my opinion these two books are a must-have for those having an interest in the phenomenon and in David's work, you absolutely need to read these books to truly grasp the full complexity and weirdness of what is happening in these parks and rural areas. Go for it! 👍😀
This topic is very interesting! Btw, I love your narrations. English is my second language and still, I understand everything you said and your voice is soothing and relaxing. :)
Thank you Lily thats great to hear! I'm glad that I'm coming across as understandable! That's the goal
Wow lovely profile pic
The voice is "soothing"?!!! Just the opposite. It's inhuman.
You are cute ! Do you have an Instagram?😊😊😊
I was a forestry/wildlife major in college and I can tell you it's really easy to hide in the woods and not be seen. I think she is these are people who got lost or injured and ended up (willingly or not) in places they just couldn't be seen. Some I have no question were abducted by someone hiding. Like everyone says, stay in trail and never separate. This isn't television, no one is going to show up in 5 minutes with full rescue crew to come get you. The wildlife is real.
When u think you have everything for a hiking or camping trip double it
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Thank you so much for posting these stories! VERY interesting and this one was no exception 👌🏼
The first story was SO harrowing ! These men faced insurmountable odds.
I can’t believe I had never heard of it before 😲
All the stories were quite fascinating and mysterious (nefarious 🤔)
Missing411 is my favorite topic. Real life events that are unexplained and any clues only make it more of a mystery. My condolences to anyone involved. I'm not a believer in Big Foot, but something weird is definitely happening
It's very obvious that its more of an abduction than someone being lost.
All national parks and forests are on top of military and terrestrial underground bases.
Bigfoot definitely exist man but this is more deeper than bigfoot
I think national parks are alien stuff even if big foot are the aliens.Think some of it is down to pedophiles
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Clingmans dome is a paved path all the way up from the parking lot that one is strange because there is nowhere to go but on the paved path
I love your channel. I'm fascinated by mysterious disappearances in general, and I love listening to your videos all day while I'm at work. Keep up the good work!
It is like the more you look into this stuff the more questions you get. This is a very strange yet there is some type of intelligence at work here. Turn around one second and your child disappears?! Adults going missing?! It is a very DEEP AND VERY WIDE RABBIT HOLE TO DIVE INTO!!!👀😵😨
I'm very thankful and grateful for these videos I think they should be longer. As I love to listen to these as I go to sleep
kick ass man! love the new effects ! keep up the good work man you are killing it!!!
In the case of Thelma Pauline Melton, she had stopped to talk to a man in a car before hitting the trail. She then got way ahead of her husband and friends, as you mentioned. Months later, there was a check written from her checking account. It was cashed at a bank in Georgia. It was never checked out thoroughly. With handwriting analysis the way it is now, that could be checked out to see if it was her handwriting. But nothing was ever done. We lived by Deep Creek Trail in the smokies for 21 years until recently and walked this trail every week. We also went to Clingmans Dome many, many times and walked part of the Appalachian Trail. It’s a very beautiful and peaceful place. Anyway, just wanted to add the information about Thelma. Great video. Thank you 🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂
What was your point ?
My point was all the information I happened to know about, and he didn’t say. He told about Thelma’s disappearance, but evidently didn’t know that she was heard from later. She possibly fled with someone else. And Trinny disappeared at Clingmans Dome, so just mentioned that I have been there. He said if anyone had information that he didn’t mention, to please say in the comments, so I did.
Re: last very large lady: maybe her husband lied and she had returned to trailer ahead of friends. I don't see why he would, nor can I think what he could have done with her body that would have obliterated all trace of her and any foul play. Of course, no one was searching around the trailer site. The only other thing that occurs is that she was never there, but that would have involved the friends in a conspiracy and I don't know their motive. Did she have a really large estate her husband inherited or have a really large insurance policy? I ask because money would seem to be the only motive for 3 people to conspire to do away with a person based on the meager information provided here. A conspiracy of the 3 seems the only option, other than an alien abduction. They killed her and disposed of her body 50 or 100 miles away. Traveled to the location. Husband stayed in trailer and friends headed out to establish the story. OR, she was in on it. She changed her appearance...a lot, took a bus or somehow went to an apartment pre rented and stocked in a large city where neighbors don't interact and hid out there. The other 3 handled the alien/big foot plan, absolutely no contact amongst them to foul their plan. Husband collects insurance. Divied up and he rendezvoused with wife 6 months later, having sold any property, etc. You do not mention any children, for this to work, children would be a complication. All of this sounds ridiculous, but no more ridiculous than what you imply with the facts given.
I would suggest research into the actions and movements of the 3 in the year following the tragedy, if it was.
SO refreshing to see someone call out things DP missed
something is definitely out there watching us, mocking at us and sometimes taking advantage of the situation.
to me, similarities between different cases that David describes are mind-blowing.
The only similarity I see is Dumbasses that should stay in that cozy apartment in the city because they don't have common sense enough to deal with nature
b man - Exactly! 🙄
I’m not saying Jesus Christ is the answer, but when you’re faced with something at this level of evil that isn’t a random animal but could be paranormal or worse; organized paranormal operations then *JESUS CHRIST WITH YOU*
It's most likely people in today's day and age simply don't know how to survive in the wilderness as alot of our knowledge has been lost with the way most people live today that people have simply become stupid when it comes to survival without the proper training and knowledge!
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Excellent work brother. Thanks for sharing this with us. Love your channel.
Excellent video!👍 I also think that the first story is basically a case of hypothermia. It is not abnormal enough, based on this information, to be a "Missing 411" type of case. But I don't know all the facts of the case either.
I was thinking about how people are found in places far off the trails. Like the mother that was supposed to meet her daughter in the parking lot. Could there be something that catches one's attention and lures them away? It would have to be something which is able to mesmerize them or perhaps imitate the voice of a loved one in order to make them panic enough to override common sense. Just a thought.
Thank you for a fascinating video! Have a good night and a great day! And enjoy the rest of the weekend! 😊💕💕💕👍
From Georgia, been all over the smokies , did not know about all this crazy stuff till 2015, most of my hiking was by myself too, couldn't pay me to go alone now... Beautiful up there , glad I'm here to talk about it....
I really like that you didnt just lap up paulides's word like a thirsty dog on a hot day and basically regurgitate it to make your video. You actually gave some very insightful criticism and pointed out things that he never seems to mention that is a big reason why many people may be found with out shoes or coats on that he makes seem like is so bewildering, while anyone with any knowledge of camping or hypothermia know. I do enjoy his work and it has intrigued me for sure.
I just think some things he points out as mysterious are actually pretty straightforward and he's trying to add spook factor where none is needed and therefore hurts his credibility.
But thanks for the awesome video!
Beautiful photo
Thanks for sharing your experience with enthusiasm and passion
I always have trouble understanding those instances like Thelma's where it said she decided to walk a little faster than her hiking companions and she walked "a few steps" ahead of them. She walked up the small hill on the trail and went over the top where she was out of her companions' vision "for a few minutes". These inexact amounts of time would seem important to me. What is everyone's definition of "a few minutes"? The hiking companions were close enough to her that, if there had been a bear attack against Thelma on the down-side of the little hill on the trail, they would have heard the commotion and heard her being dragged off through the brush at the side of the trail. It takes a bear a few minutes to subdue and get a good grip on their prey before they can start to drag them off through the brush. In order for the hiking companions to hear or see nothing, the gap between their timing must be more like 10 or 15 minutes, not "a few minutes". And if Thelma had chosen that moment to disappear and make a get-away without being seen, it's the same principle. She could not be on the trail one minute and completely and utterly out of sight and hearing range "a few minutes" later. Again, there would have had to have been a time gap or 15 minutes or so that would have allowed Thelma to run through the brush far enough away that her companions could no longer hear the swishing of leaves and the snapping of twigs as Thelma ran through the brush. The only way to really gauge what COULD have happened would be to have more accurate times that the hikers were apart or out of sight of each other. Because "a few minutes" is not anywhere like "15 minutes" or "20 minutes".
Nice to hear a content creator that asks you to "like" the video AFTER you watch it, instead of asking as soon as the video starts!
You give us the best, the best on RUclips, missing related subjects. Well down...
Wow! That's massively apprecaited Syella - thank you! 👍🏻
@@MissingVoidTV absolutely 😁
Excellent work (as usual)! I think this topic is fascinating. Do you have any theories as to what is happening to these poor people?
Amy Murphy probably it’s mostly people who underestimate their trip/over estimate their abilities. It’s why you will hear a lot of “he was an experienced hiker/climber/etc. he wouldn’t have done that” but the more you do something often the less careful you are. Think about your first time driving a car compared to now, you get careless. Also there are cougars(ambush predator), wild boars (omnivores that will attack deer fawns and baby cattle), coyotes, black bears and rattle snakes in Tennessee and the surrounding area. This especially for children and the elderly. You can take a tumble, hit your head and lose consciousness then succumb to the elements. If you tear a ligament or break a bone a predator would see you as an easy target. There is also the human element, our national parks have a big problem with people setting up temporary drug labs and grow ops in the woods due to the isolation, if you get too close the people will likely just shoot you and move you somewhere else. People also underestimate children, they are more capable than a lot of people think.
@@ohsweatbret what are you crazy....
Look at all the patterns of all the persons who vanished and the deceased found mann u need 2 do some more research no drug lab wants any heat around their dome.
TheBrooklynFella as I said, likely these people met their end due to animal predation, but meth labs are all over our national parks, it’s been a problem going back to the early 2000s. We are talking thousands of acres of land unpopulated land and supplies that can easily be packed into a few duffel bags. People literally set up methlabs in motel rooms for a couple days to make their product and move on. Factor that in with criminal organizations that have nearly unlimited funding. Cannabis farming has also become a big problem in national parks. If someone is already looking at 30+ years for drug manufacturing on federal land and fire arms charges are on the line I doubt they would hesitate to kill someone and move shop to another location.
Another thought..Along with a time slip the people in the parks are a food source for the creatures who inhabit the parks..What creatures..maybe big foot which are not of this earth and we are their food source ..
Good job! I read a comment the other day saying,
"Plot twist: David paulides is the one taking these people" lol made me laugh.
Thanks! And that sure would be a very mind shattering twist haha!
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Lol
Lol he most be ancient in age then since these cases date for decades. He most have found the fountain of youth while waiting for the missing 411
Snow storm and a tornado? And they still continued?? And ...then splitting. You never leave anyone behind. 🤦🏻♀️ You either turn back together or you continue together.
1) Some hikers without waterproof clothing went for a very rough hike, one of the three even aborted halfway because it was too treacherous. The second became exhausted and irrational enough to drop his backpack against his friend's better judgment. They then got caught in a terrible snowstorm and they both stopped hiking, and the irrational one, alone and now realizing he was probably going to freeze to death, cried out for help. I mean how is that weird? I'd yell for help too, hoping if _anyone_ was nearby they might possibly hear me. Third guy gets back, freezing guy makes one last ditch effort to get somewhere, maybe a shelter, and dies after making it 2 miles or so. 2 miles is not that big of a deal, even for someone expending their last tiny bit of energy on willpower alone, trying not to die. His body is later found, frozen to death. Not mysterious at all.
2) Older lady gets lost in a huge forest after splitting up from her daughter. People search, and they find her body after she dies of exposure. People _do_ get lost even off of sign posted trails. Actually happened to me in a much smaller park, and I suddenly found myself not on a trail at all. And I'm an experienced hiker. Took some careful backtracking before I got back onto a trail and found the next sign post. Trails all tend to look alike in a big forest. There's _nothing_ in this story to indicate anything weird happened at all, no evidence whatsoever. People wouldn't even think it was very interesting unless someone like Paulides made it seem creepy or unusual.
3) Family went for a hike, kid got separated from them. Kids do that all the time, they see something or want to investigate something in the woods and think they'll catch up easily, or they run ahead and get distracted and go off-trail, then they panic. Ever see someone in a panic? They scramble frantically. Maybe he heard a waterfall and went in the wrong direction toward the other waterfall. Maybe he climbed up trying to get a view and his bearings. I mean a quarter mile away is not unusual, and kids can climb rocks. Then he fell. Then they found his body. What is so unusual about this one? Again, no evidence whatsoever that anything weird happened, other than Paulides injecting his "wooo, spooky!" factor into it because they didn't do an autopsy, hence that automatically = _cover up._
4) Interesting one, it seems doubtful an older lady would pick a big national park to go off and start a new life or something.
Love the shots of totally random places that have nothing to do with the smoky mountains. One shot was Niagara falls ffs.
Thank you.
I feel so sorry for the three young men in the first story. But I also don't understand how three intelligent individuals would go on a snow hike without even bringing waterproof jackets? And then they always kept going? Seemed a bit forced(?), idk. I'd love to know more about this case. And yes, David Paulides actually mentioned Suzan / her daughters RUclips channel and videos (about the death of her mum) on his offical website. I really appreciate the work that you do! The only thing I think you could do better when you make Missing 411 videos would be to show the actual search areas, places, footages (if there are any) of the cases, etc. Because what really makes you realize HOW strange same of the cases are is, when you visualize the whole pictue. For example, if you dispute with Suszans case closely and you look on a map or photos at the distance from the parking lot or how easy this terrain was etc., it left me - speechless. Also, yes, there was a strange fog that came up when the search started, but the weather did not change in a way that it was likely for someone to die on hypothermia. This case is extremely(!) strange. And it was very hard to watch her daughters videos. She doesn't wants to hear anything about Missing 411 or the Missing 411 topic being linked to her mums death though.
Properly booked in this topic now, well done for sensible approach of reporting.