Hi Michelle I am a new follower of your channel. Thank you for your integrity and sincere search of truth and historic facts. I feel your spirit and passion that I truly reasonate with. We need your voice! If I can share a couple of critiques....if you can shorten your presentations and slow down a little. I find it hard to keep up with you. Thank you and God bless!! ❤
Sure, sounds good, we will look forward to hearing it then. I have a question about yesterday‘s episode. At 10 minutes you share a quote (where I can’t remember who is speaking with an RDS member), and he is claiming that Joseph taught him polygamy, and also the second anointing. I just wanted to mention that this stood out to me since I believe it is an additional point for your argument. It makes the quote less credible to me, because he is also attributing the second anointing to Joseph which also isn’t correct. Anyway, I may be interpreting it incorrectly, but I thought I would mention it to hear what you thought.
Have you read Wife No. 19 by Ann Eliza Yong? Wondering your thoughts. Seems incredibly damning and very descriptive about who Joseph was, his relationship with Emma, and what was going on in Nauvoo before he was killed.
The problem with that book's depiction of Joseph is that she only knows what she has been told about him since she was so young at the time. Of course she believes it because it fits the situation she finds herself in later.
I read that book and it is very interesting. She was recounting what she had been told by who claimed to experience it in Nauvoo. The most important thing to be grappled with in my mind from that book is what her parents say about what happened in Nauvoo AFTER they had left the church. They were no longer under any temple covenant to be true to the church or the prophet with severe eternal or physical consequences, they were living away from the body of the Saints, so they seem to have no motivation to tell their daughter anything but the truth about what happened at Nauvoo.
@@rebeccahaleswilliams I’m confused why everyone so readily dismisses second hand information as unreliable. Or why people automatically assume that anyone who disaffected from Joseph and the church is untrustworthy. Ann Eliza Young’s parents told her Joseph introduced polygamy to them himself. You can’t get much closer to the source than that. It’s a heart wrenching story of them wrestling with the doctrine. This is only one of many catastrophic stories she tells that involve Joseph and a lot of other people, placing Joseph directly at the heart of the doctrine. Her many stories illustrate his charming, narcissistic, fanatical, deceitful , grandiose personality on a wide scale, not just in regard to his involvement with polygamy.
@@jessicathurston6494 The book is significate in that it shows Mormons under Brigham's leadership clearly knew of these problems. Others throughout history also say these things. See Kinderhook plates, Emma Hale's father, court cases, etc. There are however problems which the first is she was born after Joseph's death. Second is she was estranged from everybody in her family as in 3 husbands and her children, which suggests signs of problems. Third it seems clear that polygamy as she knew it wasn't what Joseph was doing as Joseph alone was holding those keys and restricted them from all others meaning total polygamy could only expand to the extent Joseph expanded it. Under Brigham any Mormon could practice polygamy without only local approvement needed.
Michelle - Posted this on your original video and reposting here. Will you cover the D. Michael Quinn quote below about Whitehead? This is from the same article you referenced in your original video (Joseph Smith III's 1844 Blessing and the Mormons of Utah.) Found it interesting that you didn't cover this in the video as you spent so much time defending Whitehead's character. Did you just not read the full article? Quinn Quote: Whitehead testified in 1892 that "I withdrew from the Church there [at Winter Quarters] on account of its wickedness", when in fact he accepted a mission from Brigham Young in April 1848 to gather the Saints from the Eastern States to Utah, and remained on that mission until he was disfellowshipped for sexual misconduct. Quinn's source for this is a Orson Hyde letter published in the Jan 15, 1849 issue of the Millennial Star. It says "Brother Whitehead has gone from Nauvoo or Alton eastward, on a mission, and, perhaps, may go to England. His conduct in Cincinnati and in other places has been most abominable, according to evidence that we cannot dispute. I am forced to believe him a depraved, debauched libertine, and richly deserves to be cow-hided wherever he goes. His various attempts to seduce women, both old and young, have awakened the most burning indignation in my breast against him. Brother Whitehead is silenced by the Church and Council here from any further labors in the Church, and is required to come to this place speedily, and give an account of himself, or else go where he will. Quinn also uses the Pottawattamie High Council records as a 2nd source for this. I was able to find this online as well but had a tough time reading it but could make out that it was talking about Whitehead and seemed to back up the Hyde letter.
Please adds 2 things: 1) the claim neither Joseph or Hyrum were Prophets in the Carthage jail, and 2) What are the "issues" concerning the credibility of the Nauvoo scribe.
Thanks, Michelle! I wanted to rewatch it today; I'm excited to see the new version!
Hi Michelle I am a new follower of your channel. Thank you for your integrity and sincere search of truth and historic facts. I feel your spirit and passion that I truly reasonate with. We need your voice! If I can share a couple of critiques....if you can shorten your presentations and slow down a little. I find it hard to keep up with you. Thank you and God bless!! ❤
Glad I saw it before it was taken down.
I'm glad I saw it before it was taking down, i thought it was really good... looking forward to your re-do. ❤❤❤
No worries! I watched it but trust your judgement!
Sure, sounds good, we will look forward to hearing it then.
I have a question about yesterday‘s episode. At 10 minutes you share a quote (where I can’t remember who is speaking with an RDS member), and he is claiming that Joseph taught him polygamy, and also the second anointing.
I just wanted to mention that this stood out to me since I believe it is an additional point for your argument. It makes the quote less credible to me, because he is also attributing the second anointing to Joseph which also isn’t correct.
Anyway, I may be interpreting it incorrectly, but I thought I would mention it to hear what you thought.
Dang it! I was going to watch it yesterday and had a weird day
Sounds good. Get some sleep girl.
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Have you read Wife No. 19 by Ann Eliza Yong? Wondering your thoughts. Seems incredibly damning and very descriptive about who Joseph was, his relationship with Emma, and what was going on in Nauvoo before he was killed.
The problem with that book's depiction of Joseph is that she only knows what she has been told about him since she was so young at the time. Of course she believes it because it fits the situation she finds herself in later.
I read that book and it is very interesting. She was recounting what she had been told by who claimed to experience it in Nauvoo. The most important thing to be grappled with in my mind from that book is what her parents say about what happened in Nauvoo AFTER they had left the church. They were no longer under any temple covenant to be true to the church or the prophet with severe eternal or physical consequences, they were living away from the body of the Saints, so they seem to have no motivation to tell their daughter anything but the truth about what happened at Nauvoo.
@@rebeccahaleswilliams I’m confused why everyone so readily dismisses second hand information as unreliable. Or why people automatically assume that anyone who disaffected from Joseph and the church is untrustworthy. Ann Eliza Young’s parents told her Joseph introduced polygamy to them himself. You can’t get much closer to the source than that. It’s a heart wrenching story of them wrestling with the doctrine. This is only one of many catastrophic stories she tells that involve Joseph and a lot of other people, placing Joseph directly at the heart of the doctrine. Her many stories illustrate his charming, narcissistic, fanatical, deceitful , grandiose personality on a wide scale, not just in regard to his involvement with polygamy.
@@jessicathurston6494 The book is significate in that it shows Mormons under Brigham's leadership clearly knew of these problems. Others throughout history also say these things. See Kinderhook plates, Emma Hale's father, court cases, etc. There are however problems which the first is she was born after Joseph's death. Second is she was estranged from everybody in her family as in 3 husbands and her children, which suggests signs of problems. Third it seems clear that polygamy as she knew it wasn't what Joseph was doing as Joseph alone was holding those keys and restricted them from all others meaning total polygamy could only expand to the extent Joseph expanded it. Under Brigham any Mormon could practice polygamy without only local approvement needed.
Michelle - Posted this on your original video and reposting here. Will you cover the D. Michael Quinn quote below about Whitehead? This is from the same article you referenced in your original video (Joseph Smith III's 1844 Blessing and the Mormons of Utah.) Found it interesting that you didn't cover this in the video as you spent so much time defending Whitehead's character. Did you just not read the full article?
Quinn Quote: Whitehead testified in 1892 that "I withdrew from the Church there [at Winter Quarters] on account of its wickedness", when in fact he accepted a mission from Brigham Young in April 1848 to gather the Saints from the Eastern States to Utah, and remained on that mission until he was disfellowshipped for sexual misconduct.
Quinn's source for this is a Orson Hyde letter published in the Jan 15, 1849 issue of the Millennial Star. It says "Brother Whitehead has gone from Nauvoo or Alton eastward, on a mission, and, perhaps, may go to England. His conduct in Cincinnati and in other places has been most abominable, according to evidence that we cannot dispute. I am forced to believe him a depraved, debauched libertine, and richly deserves to be cow-hided wherever he goes. His various attempts to seduce women, both old and young, have awakened the most burning indignation in my breast against him. Brother Whitehead is silenced by the Church and Council here from any further labors in the Church, and is required to come to this place speedily, and give an account of himself, or else go where he will. Quinn also uses the Pottawattamie High Council records as a 2nd source for this. I was able to find this online as well but had a tough time reading it but could make out that it was talking about Whitehead and seemed to back up the Hyde letter.
Brian Hales paid to find a wife. 👊🏻
Please adds 2 things: 1) the claim neither Joseph or Hyrum were Prophets in the Carthage jail, and 2) What are the "issues" concerning the credibility of the Nauvoo scribe.
So glad Trump won.