according to my observation, judge ratha mokgwatheng should be petition to recuse himself from this case based on the following facts, his ÷ > biased, > disrespectful, > interruptive, > undermining. etc Not forgetting the statement he made that "angifuni ukuthi bathi hehehe ijaji yangi'gwebela esakeni" how did he know that he is going to convict and sentence the accused before him.
My take in this case today regarding Makhubu's evidence Is that he was in court to reveal that Gininda was not suppose to be working on CONFESSION, Trial within trial's aim is to establish whether statements taken from accused persons during the so called CONFESSION can be used going forward or not. If the defense prove beyond reasonable doubt that - 1. Procedural it was taken wrongly (by wrong people), 2. They were taken to court late,, not within 48 hours 3. They were force to sign statements....etc So the main thing Makhubu was in court for was fulfilled hence Baloyi want it NOT TO BE USED because it put him under the bus !!! I stand to be corrected thou.....
Just listen to Baloyi's first two questions during cross examination of Makhubo. Apparently there's no such procedure (written) it's something that Makhubo heard at the College. The testimony of Makhubo was an embarrassment to Mngomezulu. Case within the case is about the admissibility of confession statements and Makhubo had nothing to say about that.
Now it is clear that Baloyi is corrupt and his mission in this case was to make sure these 5 guys are sentenced and this case is closed. I can safely say Baloyi knows who killed Senzo Meyiwa.
What he forgot to mention is that Gininda's docket cane about because he approached Gerrie Nel for assistance......that's what his investigation team came up with.
Now I get it- The docket 375 was opened by Makhubo because he wanted to cover these accused- he even said I know accused number 5 from long- May whoever killed Senzo go to jail- period-
uJesu islima kanje??? Angithi accused 5 is a well known criminal Wena mninimandla oke and Makhubo started Ku saps 1992.Common sense nceku common sense!!!
@@tsheposebakile5066 I've seen your comment where someone said Baloi is fighting for his life and u said we should be greatful we have a season prosecutor and I thought this guy ok he is right but now I start to believe u one of those who concluded with this case
@Mrs.M-js9no are you saying people without position in life should not be believed. That is a dangerous presumption. That is why people are scammed easily. It's a wrong mindset
Mgome naye must stick to correct court proceedings. We all know that he is trying to buy public opinion. Since eyazi kuthi some ppl dont like u Kelly. but high court cannot be a street court. He needs to follow the rules.
The reason why Gininda openly gave promise of 3m was to corn the accused in giving it that he was approached so that this thing of promise will also peach in the case as these are normally acts in courts
I wonder if the Sibanda, Baloi and Judge Ratha are deliberately twisting the words of the accused or they honestly don't understand. But something is off here.
But you didn’t go to school for that- how are they going to appoint you- go to school first- then when you say you want younger judges we will listen to you- for now keep quite until proven so-
Ratha is the right candidate for this case, the former judge is currently facing the disciplinary for not solving cases in time, u can't do that with Ratha as he not stupid.
The defence should argue or canvass that Makhubo to be called again maybe on main trial he was given a short time baloyi objected almost everything Makhubo were about to say...Makhubo seem provoked something baloyi that is involved in... Just call makhubo once agai i wana see something 🤔
I understand Baloyi. If the accused are not found guilty, he's going to jail. Imagine losing all your years of study and hardwork because you decided to be corrupt
Ever since i have started following this case i never saw Baloyi acted like this way. Makhubo started talking baloyi were moving around and his thick forehead,nose as well as his chiskop started to shine very bright🤓 he ended up saying Makhubo is witnesses about hear say 🤓🤓everything he said is irrelevant 😢
Makubo was able to show the sheniguns that Ginida grabbed the case and short ciruit it whilist Makhubo thru 636 which was based on intruders realised there were no intruders but to open a case against those in the house. His testimony was very helpful. He is still holding the original case 636. Thus, Ginida removed certain statements from.636 whatever he removed will be put back, wait, and see.
Even these 5 guys were arrested because of hearsay evidence from Zungu,nothing link or place them in the crime scene,even their hat 🧢(no DNA of any of them) doesn't doesn't place them there
Makhubo is holding nothing if he had surely this could have been brought by defence, guys the accused lives are at stake especially Ntanzi who is not serving any sentence
Anginandaba nakokonkhe....but what l like uthi makhubo sabekwa Saba yi4...azange kuthiwe kukhona uzophatha omunye, plus yena Nombuthelezi abazi kuthi abasolwa baboshwa😂😂😂😂😂 What a bold statement 😊
The judge irritates me,I understand he has to Direct and advise on what evidence to be led,fact is Makhubu testimony is vital to his ruling on confessions,it amounts to prosecutor alledgedly defeating ends of justice,concoction of confessions,if they are guilty,let them go argue in main trial,it will be a trivasty of justice if Judge Ratha accepts these confessions😮
Mmakhubo was there to create doubt on the state case and I believe that mission is accomplished,and don't stress we can still get him on the main trial
My brother what was recorded (audio) is the same that was written down by Magistrate Vivian Cronje we will kno it she will come and read it after the judgment in the Trial within a Trial, if when m not sure bcoz it depends on Judge Ratha Mokgoathleng...10/3/2024
Judge pls do right thing , if you allow this thing for baloyi corruption one day we all Gonna to Jesus and we will left our country in mass, you know the truth senzo died no one call police or any help they called twala I know some of this people are nkabis but not in this case
Why did accused 1 subpoena warrant officer Makhubo to the stand? None of the evidence he tendered assisted his case. The officer is not a justice of peace, he has never taken a confession in his entire career, he was not there when Muzi made a confession and pointing outs. His evidence was irrelevant, was hearsay and funny😅 He did not contribute anything that the court could use in determining the admissibility of confession or pointing outs. Mngomezulu is doing a bad job😢
@njabulojb2994 I hear you. My question then is, how did his evidence assist Muzi in proving that he did not voluntarily make the confession? Or pointing outs?
It contributed to 1. wrong arrest as the case was still under investigation and thus not a cold case. 2 A proper way of obtaining confession was detailed today. 3 accused one was arrested for the first in 2019, not 2020, if so why he only confessed in 2020 what happened in 2020 and this contradict to Mogano's evidence? 4 Baloy is dishonest about not knowing 375. In conclusion, wrongdoings by police should amount to wrongful arrest.
Makhubo's safety is worrisome he needs BODYGUARDS or else re tlo lla jaka other important witnesses ba ba bolailweng eish💔Different opinions led to two teams 636 vs 375,rra hutshe should come tell us ka di 40 investigator,o buile Teffooonation gore di top dog tsa sataforika di involved mo this case thats why they threw him in jail to block him from this case baloi!Wish there was one we could trust to contribute money for Mngooo no SCAMMERS please,anyone? UNITED WE STAND 🤝🏿🫱🏻🫲🏿🤞🏿🫂
I think kule case sekusebenza i tribalism if Senzo Meyiwa was from JHB or North West ngabe kade baboshwa ababesendlini bt ngoba is from KZN kuthiwa akuvikelwe abathize 🤞
The lead investgatot mmm he just pour cold water in a hot case and it became cold .If there was a cold case unit in SA we wouldn't be waiting till today for the murders that happened in 2000 im still waiting for answers for my family members
Mgomezulu took wrong turn no one is fighting him he knows that very well he is a snr this witness has nothing to do with admissibility of confessions all he had is hearsay
Makhubo even if he had something positive to say on the case, which could have assisted the defense, but him saying " four of us were selected to investigate the case and noone was the lead investigator" yet it is common knowledge that seniority is integral in police and army. As warrant officer he cant be equal to colonnels that selected with him. He has blown an opportunity
But he says there were two colonels in the four n a Captain as well as himself as a Warrant. But then he says they sat many times holding a meeting surely someone chaired those n that person was a leader of the group
@@thusoetsilegaseemelwe8849 The judge appears to know how police rank structure and code of conduct. Makhubo could have dealt the state a blow had the defense coached him well.
Hai man this judge is a pensioner he is old all he knows is to make noise he talks more than the advocates he interupts the advo cant finish a sentnce without being interrupted.Mr Zondo must intervene as long as senzos family knows who killed their son
he dismiss the recording bcos they were exposing the state Ask yourself why record someone without his knowledge it is unlawful the court is like an ocean anything obtain in a dirty manner does not enter the ocean
@@anthonynchabeleng2664 I am saying he was in a tight corner even if he wanted to admit it he couldn't have as the defence Attorneys kept on emphasizing eye violation of rights of the accused(if you watched the proceeding he actually wanted to admit it).
You Baloyi dont use us the plublic in your shenanigans. This case already dragged for 10 years you and this biased judge want to prosecute people who dont know anything about the death of senzo.niyanyayisa mann ghaaa.you and this judge you will get your karma
according to my observation, judge ratha mokgwatheng should be petition to recuse himself from this case based on the following facts, his ÷
> biased,
> disrespectful,
> interruptive,
> undermining. etc
Not forgetting the statement he made that "angifuni ukuthi bathi hehehe ijaji yangi'gwebela esakeni" how did he know that he is going to convict and sentence the accused before him.
Uyanya wena thula nxa ungela umbono
@@marshallncube865
Usho umama wakho mtwana wes'febe, ubalekile ezimbwabwe engdlala masende akho.
You are very right with your facts
U are right and observant
advocate Teffo today is in jail 😢😢😢 because of Baloyi and Gininda, your time is coming watch them space
Wenzeni umntak'aTeffo??? 6/3/2024
You are a LIAR Adv Tefo is not in jail- and Baloyi and Gininda won’t go to jail- those who killed will go to jail definitely- no two ways about it-
@@jesusistruth9424 Thank you
@@jesusistruth9424 uphume nini
@@jesusistruth9424 lol 😂 his still in jail even now. So I put it to you that you are incorrect. 😂
I wasn't aware that Gininda and Baloyi are friends but Makhubo made it clear that these 2 guys are corrupt to the core
My take in this case today regarding Makhubu's evidence
Is that he was in court to reveal that Gininda was not suppose to be working on CONFESSION,
Trial within trial's aim is to establish whether statements taken from accused persons during the so called CONFESSION can be used going forward or not.
If the defense prove beyond reasonable doubt that -
1. Procedural it was taken wrongly (by wrong people),
2. They were taken to court late,, not within 48 hours
3. They were force to sign statements....etc
So the main thing Makhubu was in court for was fulfilled hence Baloyi want it NOT TO BE USED because it put him under the bus !!!
I stand to be corrected thou.....
Just listen to Baloyi's first two questions during cross examination of Makhubo. Apparently there's no such procedure (written) it's something that Makhubo heard at the College.
The testimony of Makhubo was an embarrassment to Mngomezulu.
Case within the case is about the admissibility of confession statements and Makhubo had nothing to say about that.
Well said, it will be from the judge to decide
Makhubo exposed a lot..But if you don't realize it you don't.
This judge is nicer to Baloyi
Now it is clear that Baloyi is corrupt and his mission in this case was to make sure these 5 guys are sentenced and this case is closed.
I can safely say Baloyi knows who killed Senzo Meyiwa.
C'mon, this nkabis are heading to jail, don't come with some conspiracy theories crap.
@@dannym7593 you sound like those that were in that Spaza shop on the 26 Oct 2014
Just be logic don't miss lead other people's if you are lost b lost alone.Baloyi is too smart suka emabhozeni, thumbs up for Baloyi
If the confession will be admissible, then Kelly need to be arrested as well which means this case is far from over
I agree
I agree
All who were in that house will be charged for difeating the ends of justice.
@@ElliotMxolo correct
Is far from over indeed-
Baloi he will reap what he saw 😢😢
Meaning Senzo Mayiwa's brother he was right when he said baloi and Gininda arrest wrong peoples
Haw you start to believe that now? 🙄
True. He knew that.
What he forgot to mention is that Gininda's docket cane about because he approached Gerrie Nel for assistance......that's what his investigation team came up with.
Now I get it- The docket 375 was opened by Makhubo because he wanted to cover these accused- he even said I know accused number 5 from long- May whoever killed Senzo go to jail- period-
because he's the one who arrested him in KZN for murdering 6 people there was nothing yo cover there
Dakiwe wena
uJesu islima kanje???
Angithi accused 5 is a well known criminal Wena mninimandla oke and Makhubo started Ku saps 1992.Common sense nceku common sense!!!
Makhubu has lot of interesting info, the issue the state is objective everything....but lets be patient truth will come out
Irrelevant to the trial within a trial and the case docket tht is before court. He is just bitter their dockets was never considered by the DPP
@@tsheposebakile5066 I've seen your comment where someone said Baloi is fighting for his life and u said we should be greatful we have a season prosecutor and I thought this guy ok he is right but now I start to believe u one of those who concluded with this case
Why judge and the prosecutor believe everything that was said by Gininda?
They even allowed him to read a statement of a dead person who will never be cross examined
You wanted them to believe Ntanzi? Lol! Gininda is a brigadier and he was testifying in court in his capacity as a brigadier! Common sense!
he was testifying as a state witness not brigadier
I think it is because he told the court nothing but truth and his demeanor was beyond reproach. .7/3/2024
@Mrs.M-js9no are you saying people without position in life should not be believed. That is a dangerous presumption. That is why people are scammed easily. It's a wrong mindset
Baloi was in hot chair today he kept standing up🤯
No it wasnt hot chair. He objected to the relevance of the evidence and hearsay evidence. Which had nothing to do with confessions
Mngomezulu is going somewhere with his questions and Baloi is quickly putting out the fire.
Not at all Mngo battled to put across his questions, I’m actually disappointed because I think all of us we were expecting fire 🔥
He went nowhere
can we donate for mngomezulu
Why?
I'm with you on that one❤
Siyakuva Jobe kaMatjani...6/3/2024
I'm with you sisi❤❤❤
Stru
Judge is frustrating and destructing Mngomezulu😮
Not true Mgomezulu lost plot todae
Mgome naye must stick to correct court proceedings. We all know that he is trying to buy public opinion. Since eyazi kuthi some ppl dont like u Kelly. but high court cannot be a street court. He needs to follow the rules.
Ratha asking when Senzo was killed. Those are just derailing tactics
The reason why Gininda openly gave promise of 3m was to corn the accused in giving it that he was approached so that this thing of promise will also peach in the case as these are normally acts in courts
Where are the superiors PP,DPP are you gonna be quiet and allow corruption. Our country it's a mess I feel sorry for the next generation 🇿🇦🇿🇦🇿🇦
I wonder if the Sibanda, Baloi and Judge Ratha are deliberately twisting the words of the accused or they honestly don't understand. But something is off here.
Twisting them how?
@anthonynchabeleng2664 Watch Baloyi's cross examination you see what his talking about
@@pholobian Which one?
I don’t think you really understand or follow trial within a trial 🤞
Njani Tebza??? 6/3/2024
We need younger judges
But you didn’t go to school for that- how are they going to appoint you- go to school first- then when you say you want younger judges we will listen to you- for now keep quite until proven so-
@@jesusistruth9424facts . They like ageism these kids are arrogant they talk too much . No humility
Younger Judges with what experience??
Ratha is the right candidate for this case, the former judge is currently facing the disciplinary for not solving cases in time, u can't do that with Ratha as he not stupid.
The defence should argue or canvass that Makhubo to be called again maybe on main trial he was given a short time baloyi objected almost everything Makhubo were about to say...Makhubo seem provoked something baloyi that is involved in...
Just call makhubo once agai i wana see something 🤔
His presence was irrelevant todae nothing to do with trial in a trial that’s why Mgomezulu had to apologise and withdraw most of his questioning todae
Hope they won't Butcher him 😢
Baloyi citing the law that prohibits Makhubu from talking about their corruption in this case👀👀👀
I understand Baloyi. If the accused are not found guilty, he's going to jail. Imagine losing all your years of study and hardwork because you decided to be corrupt
Ja he fight for his life now😂😂😂😂
Not only for Longe...
@@pumzilesiyokwana9786 You can say that again. It's not longer about others but himself
@@pumzilesiyokwana9786😂😂😂😂
He must be arrested we are tired of government officials who are corrupt
If I may ask , why would he go to jail? His duty is to only present the case of the state to court, not to get a conviction.
Ever since i have started following this case i never saw Baloyi acted like this way.
Makhubo started talking baloyi were moving around and his thick forehead,nose as well as his chiskop started to shine very bright🤓 he ended up saying Makhubo is witnesses about hear say 🤓🤓everything he said is irrelevant 😢
I'm sure he peed himself🤣🤣🤣
According to my understanding.....
Admissibility of Confession in (Trial within a Trial) doesn't mean you loose a Case....
Who liee to you??
But you are admitting that you killed a person.You will be finished.
If those confessions are not admitted then the state has no case because now that's the only thing they are holding into now...
Why is the judge always raising the voice when addressing the defense?....ayi ngathi akuhambanga kahle lana.
Ratha is biased
Kanjani Mashobane??? 6/3/2024
It's bcause the defence behaves as if they don't know the law
Futhi ngeke kusalunga, yadelela lobaba, ngathi ukhuluma nezingane azifundisayo eclassini
This guy's going down. The judge is working with the state.
💯
Oooh umfoka Chiya kwaba kanje zahambi ingane zamakhosikazi
He is using the law
Njani my brother??? 6/3/2024
Baloyi is criminal
Makubo was able to show the sheniguns that Ginida grabbed the case and short ciruit it whilist Makhubo thru 636 which was based on intruders realised there were no intruders but to open a case against those in the house. His testimony was very helpful. He is still holding the original case 636. Thus, Ginida removed certain statements from.636 whatever he removed will be put back, wait, and see.
This is what Sifiso Meyiwa has been saying since 2020
Do u realise that all thiz are hear says evidence and not admissible in court
Even these 5 guys were arrested because of hearsay evidence from Zungu,nothing link or place them in the crime scene,even their hat 🧢(no DNA of any of them) doesn't doesn't place them there
Makhubo is holding nothing if he had surely this could have been brought by defence, guys the accused lives are at stake especially Ntanzi who is not serving any sentence
Anginandaba nakokonkhe....but what l like uthi makhubo sabekwa Saba yi4...azange kuthiwe kukhona uzophatha omunye, plus yena Nombuthelezi abazi kuthi abasolwa baboshwa😂😂😂😂😂
What a bold statement 😊
Thank u babumngo👌
For what?
Ghininfa and baloi are state poison. Tefo in jail because of this wizards. They are rotten to core. Ratha also an old wizard amongst them.
Judge is very rude 😢yooooh!!!
The judge irritates me,I understand he has to Direct and advise on what evidence to be led,fact is Makhubu testimony is vital to his ruling on confessions,it amounts to prosecutor alledgedly defeating ends of justice,concoction of confessions,if they are guilty,let them go argue in main trial,it will be a trivasty of justice if Judge Ratha accepts these confessions😮
Yoooo Baloi with this referencing to other cases, he is impressing the Judge. That is what he like also
The judge is awake and assisting the state allegedly 😮
I saw that
He was assisting Mgomezulu too-
By March a cused is arrested. Could only appear before magistrate several months after the lapse of 48hours ☹️😂🤣🤣☹️
Baloyi is corrupt!!
Udoti wenja Lona kubuhlungu ngoba labafana bazoboshelwa ubala
@@qiniselahlangu-in2tz nawe uyinkabi yini
Kiyomfica kodwa lokhu akwenze kulabafana
Kuyobuya kuye sekuphindiwe ibuhlungu lento eyenzekayo
@@gladysmkhize4085 yebo ufuna ngikukhombise give me your address I will show you
Mgomezulu waisted our key witness, we wanted Makhubu on the main case😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢
He can still be called in the main trial, remember that is a different trial altogether it is not part of the trial within a trial.
Mmakhubo was there to create doubt on the state case and I believe that mission is accomplished,and don't stress we can still get him on the main trial
Nothing wrong... Spot on decission to call Makhubo... He didn't say much but direct to say Both dockets were handed over to BALOYI...
NOW WE WANT DOKET 375 TO BE IN COURT
Makhubo yiqhawe
I don't see a reason of calling Makhubo if anything then what is a changes?
Ratha you wrongful choosen bieng a Presing judge 🙄🙄🙄
kanti yini le ebalekelwa u Baloyi ku shabane?kukhulu kuyafihlwa
Shabane will be called to the main trial
Ratha why are you always helping Baloi😢
Ratha and Baloyi are corrupt 🙄🤮🙄🤧
Ratha and Baloyi are corrupt 🙄🤮🙄🤧
Ratha and Baloyi are corrupt 🙄🤮🙄🤧
Ratha and Baloyi are corrupt 🙄🤮🙄🤧
Ratha and Baloyi are corrupt 🙄🤮🙄🤧
Makhubu is energy-less😢
judge is very sarcastic yhoo. i wonder what would happen if this case was to go to upper court.
When Baloi stammers, know he’s lying 🤥
Voice cracks 😂. Khon’ nto ayaziyo lo
2024 ziyakhipha!
Kuyafiwa zukwini ayovela mahlazo🎼🎶🎸
U can hear Makhubo is telling the truth.
When my mom started at the saps makhubo was there too.
Why are these people catching feelings, more than the accussed😅
2:35:40 yhooo old man gestures. Can someone stop him hle
The judge is not believing WO M Makhubo...the body language speaks volumes. 6/3/2024
His sacarsm towards WOM... YOHHHH
Nyawose, Gasa ngikubonile loko....6/3/2024
Baphi okheli
Yes
This continuous firing of Lawyers by the accused is nothing but a deliberate delay of this case , this must stop with immediate effect.
Biggest fool you.
This guy's from legal Aid are behind all this drama
What's ur problem Ratha...😮
No1 was not assisted in any manner by WO Makhubo....6/3/2024
Unnecessary
Why was the defense team dismissing the playing of the recording of the confession in court?😊😊😊 non - thinkers people.
My brother what was recorded (audio) is the same that was written down by Magistrate Vivian Cronje we will kno it she will come and read it after the judgment in the Trial within a Trial, if when m not sure bcoz it depends on Judge Ratha Mokgoathleng...10/3/2024
Judge fingers you don't respect others why you saying Mngomezulu says heee heee what's that 🙄🤷🙄
His arrogance towards the defense is very sad to see😮
Liyadela le khehla 😢
He can be highly qualified but to be rude,to undermine other people it's not goodo.
Ya bezikhala namhla uke wa shaker u Baloi
Judge pls do right thing , if you allow this thing for baloyi corruption one day we all Gonna to Jesus and we will left our country in mass, you know the truth senzo died no one call police or any help they called twala I know some of this people are nkabis but not in this case
Why did accused 1 subpoena warrant officer Makhubo to the stand? None of the evidence he tendered assisted his case.
The officer is not a justice of peace, he has never taken a confession in his entire career, he was not there when Muzi made a confession and pointing outs.
His evidence was irrelevant, was hearsay and funny😅
He did not contribute anything that the court could use in determining the admissibility of confession or pointing outs.
Mngomezulu is doing a bad job😢
It helped but not to you
@njabulojb2994 I hear you. My question then is, how did his evidence assist Muzi in proving that he did not voluntarily make the confession? Or pointing outs?
It contributed to 1. wrong arrest as the case was still under investigation and thus not a cold case. 2 A proper way of obtaining confession was detailed today. 3 accused one was arrested for the first in 2019, not 2020, if so why he only confessed in 2020 what happened in 2020 and this contradict to Mogano's evidence? 4 Baloy is dishonest about not knowing 375. In conclusion, wrongdoings by police should amount to wrongful arrest.
Why defence is not calling Mr Mjiyakho
@@Sfiso-g4ufor ?
Makhubo's safety is worrisome he needs BODYGUARDS or else re tlo lla jaka other important witnesses ba ba bolailweng eish💔Different opinions led to two teams 636 vs 375,rra hutshe should come tell us ka di 40 investigator,o buile Teffooonation gore di top dog tsa sataforika di involved mo this case thats why they threw him in jail to block him from this case baloi!Wish there was one we could trust to contribute money for Mngooo no SCAMMERS please,anyone?
UNITED WE STAND 🤝🏿🫱🏻🫲🏿🤞🏿🫂
It's too late to touch him now.Remember he was hiding until yesterday
@@klentjie eish we will never know these people are heartless 🥺
I think kule case sekusebenza i tribalism if Senzo Meyiwa was from JHB or North West ngabe kade baboshwa ababesendlini bt ngoba is from KZN kuthiwa akuvikelwe abathize 🤞
Like AKA
Yoh! KK is from KZN....who wants to deal with izinkabi from KZN....this case is not moving because potential witnesses are scared.
Bt abantu mele bayaboshwa ngabase KZN bonke aba babese ndlini
Why kumele sithi Nkosingisize ngikhulume iqiniso
Yooo Kanti Baloyi noGininda
Lenzani nxa lelijaji likhiphana nolimu kwathi angihlanze angilinyanyi!!!
🤣🤣🤣🤣
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
😅😅😅
I wish kuwe ama false lawa awafakile esathi ukhipha ulimi mxm
@@mlindos1654 😆 🤣 unesdina kabi
Makhubo is rude ,they were supposed to go deeper with him , to get more information
Amahlazo ayavela kancane kancane
So y are shouting Ratha stop that nonsense 🙄🙄
This granny Ratha is dramatic
Liyadelela lekhehla AmaZulu azolushisa
The lead investgatot mmm he just pour cold water in a hot case and it became cold .If there was a cold case unit in SA we wouldn't be waiting till today for the murders that happened in 2000 im still waiting for answers for my family members
Weeeeee ayi ayaphela amahlathi manje😂😂😂
The lady in glasses is my biggest distraction...she is sitted behind Adv Mngomezulu.
Lol 😂😂😂
Me and you are now enemies
Did you see how she ws so glued to Ntanzi at the end of the session 😂😂😂😂 . I think you hv to rewind n check
As lawyers, it is very important to be fluent in the language used by the courts...just saying...
There are translators like other president who do t speak queen Elizabitch language
I'm watching the trial now ay ngeke the judge and baloyi are here to fight Mngomezulu
Mgomezulu took wrong turn no one is fighting him he knows that very well he is a snr this witness has nothing to do with admissibility of confessions all he had is hearsay
Mshushisi uyanyanyisa arg
Yabona le judge nkulunkulu ngeke kukhona okushaya amanzi lana
Ratha is not making sure 🤞
Makhubo even if he had something positive to say on the case, which could have assisted the defense, but him saying " four of us were selected to investigate the case and noone was the lead investigator" yet it is common knowledge that seniority is integral in police and army. As warrant officer he cant be equal to colonnels that selected with him. He has blown an opportunity
But he says there were two colonels in the four n a Captain as well as himself as a Warrant. But then he says they sat many times holding a meeting surely someone chaired those n that person was a leader of the group
@@thusoetsilegaseemelwe8849 The judge appears to know how police rank structure and code of conduct. Makhubo could have dealt the state a blow had the defense coached him well.
In what shebeen did this mgozulu study law he is making a big fool of himself what a joke ha ha haaaa guilty
Yaa Baloi was cooking his story srs making sure it corresponds with the sections
The case is about professionals versus ordinary unprofessional accused. Who were cooked to a direction
Hai man this judge is a pensioner he is old all he knows is to make noise he talks more than the advocates he interupts the advo cant finish a sentnce without being interrupted.Mr Zondo must intervene as long as senzos family knows who killed their son
Zondo is corrupt. Ratha is just an old granny who has so must anger. He wants the state to win this case
Its painfull this are not the reall suspect lo ratha uyabheda
Advocate mngomezulu seems lost and there are always explaining the law to him.
That what they want to confuse him cause Mngomezulu is on something so it irritates Baloyi le Ntate wa have Ratha
Baloyi and Gininda mmmmmm
“It is fraud, but im just putting it literally” Baloyi says mentioning the Pre-baked statements😅Ratha:Oh, Is it?
The state is exposed now 🤞🏼
Ayke uBaloi ufanele ukuba ufakazi naye kulelicala
If the judge is helping the state why did he dismiss the audio recording? Please stop being bias and follow the evidence.
Because it violatiled the accused rights, there was no way to twist it or go around it he had no choice.
@@sindiswamabunda5627 So you are saying he is applying the law not helping state right?
he dismiss the recording bcos they were exposing the state Ask yourself why record someone without his knowledge it is unlawful the court is like an ocean anything obtain in a dirty manner does not enter the ocean
Simple law
@@anthonynchabeleng2664 I am saying he was in a tight corner even if he wanted to admit it he couldn't have as the defence Attorneys kept on emphasizing eye violation of rights of the accused(if you watched the proceeding he actually wanted to admit it).
Yhooo judge ratha the frustration hehehe. Yekani idefence ne witnesses Zayo preez preez. Andikho fair Wena state. #@preference
Hamba ingrish#certify 😂😂😂😂😂😂 frats ratha no Vaseline 😂😂😂😂😂😂
The judge deals with lawfulness of the confessions not the evidence of parallel versions Makhubo is bringing
40 investigators who were hired and fired 😮😮
I wish people who comment on this case can first understand the law and then take sides thereafter support whatever theory.
You Baloyi dont use us the plublic in your shenanigans. This case already dragged for 10 years you and this biased judge want to prosecute people who dont know anything about the death of senzo.niyanyayisa mann ghaaa.you and this judge you will get your karma
What is this thing of the zulu news being seen on the english news
This judge
Why the Judge and Prosecutor so angry na with Makhubu on the Witness box?
Kukhulu okufihlwa uBaloyi kuleli cala.
Today that was revealed by Makhubo the role that Baloyi, Gininda and Judge Ratha played in this case today Ratha angry with the defense and Makhubo
And ukhohlakele ubaloyi
Mine soze ngaymela inkabi iyohlezi ibulala, angina Baba namhla nje ngenca ye nkabi
G4
Zyakhala ke manje even the judge alisancengi kwa Baloyi wakhona