RV House Batteries - The Top 3 Choices
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- Опубликовано: 17 июл 2024
- RV deep cycle batteries provide the power you need for running appliances, electronic devices and other important items in your RV. So which kind of RV battery is best for your rig? Here are the top 3 choices for RV house batteries. Find out the pros and cons of each kind of battery now!
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Thanks so much, I’m in the research stage of building a solar system for the camper van my son and I are building. And you really helped me with the battery issue.
I'm glad the video was helpful Clarence. It sounds like you and your son have a great project going there. I hope you have lots of fun in that camper van!
BATTLEBORN LITHIUM BATTERIES ARE THE MERCEDES OF ALL BATTERY TYPES. YES THEY COST MORE UP FRONT BUT THEIR ADVANTAGES ARE 10 TIMES MORE THAN THEIR COST.
They are a great battery. Thanks for sharing your opinion here!
Great information! Answered a lot of my questions on what type of batteries I need to replace in my motorhome.
Thank you so much!
I'm glad that you enjoyed the video Linda and that it was helpful for you. Thanks for watching and leaving positive feedback as well!
Another quality informational video. You are our go-to guy. Thanks!
Wow, thanks Todd. I'm glad that my channel's videos have been helpful for you. I appreciate such nice feedback!
Thanks for the thorough and understandable explanation.
Glad it was helpful Nancy. Thanks for watching and commenting!
Very informative, thanks
I'm glad you enjoyed it Willie. Thanks for watching!
SIMPLE and EXCELLENT Video. Thank you.
So glad you enjoyed it. And thanks for leaving some positive feedback too!
Thank you this was great information.
Glad it was helpful! Thanks for watching!
Great advice! A quality charger is most important for any battery life. I have 10 years on a AGM motorcycle battery, and its still 100%.
Totally agree Jimmy. The method of recharging your batteries has a lot to do with how long they provide good service for you.
Excellent and very helpful. Thank you
Glad it was helpful Trevor. Thanks for watching and leaving positive feedback!
Great information very interesting thanks.
Glad you enjoyed it Tim. Thanks for watching.
Excellent video Dwane 👍
Glad you enjoyed it HH! Thanks for watching!
I recently re-powered my small truck camper. Two group 24 12v AGMs performed admirably for 11 years. I looked at Lithium but decided they would outlive the remaining useful life of both me and my camper. Lithium would also require a new charging system. I’m 70 and don’t even buy green bananas anymore. I went with two 6v 220ah AGMs in series. For marginal more weight my usable amp-hours were increased greatly. If I were young and ordering a new rig, lithium all the way!
LOL ... I love the green bananas quip! And it sounds like you have a good handle on your battery needs at this point. Thanks for watching and leaving a helpful comment!
@@RVInspectionAndCare,…. thanks! I think these are two factors commonly overlooked by most when evaluating Lithium vs AGM. For my small off-road Four Wheel Camper weight was a consideration leaning toward Lithium but I’m not maxed with a big diesel truck. Last year I traveled the Continental Divide from Mexico to Alberta. In a few weeks I’m headed from Montana here, to the Dempster Highway and Inuvik, Northwest Terretory on the Arctic Ocean. There won’t be much solar and only primitive camps (if that) up there so that was the motivation for changing out the bank. Though granted, drive time charging.
Great video...very informative!
Glad you enjoyed it John. Thanks for watching and commenting!
Great video! Another big con of lithium is they can overheat an alternator and burn it up unless using something to control the charge current such as a dc-dc charger.
Great tip JC. Thanks for sharing!
Thanks for keeping it straight forward. MY TT came with one 12v battery and I added a second, same brand/size. I did switch to LED lights everywhere but still had power issues when dry camping. Then I switched from the two 12v in parallel to two 6v in series. It made a huge difference for us. The heater was the big pull in cold weather. On my second set of 6v now, seems they last about 5 years with care and maintenance. I top them off with my little Honda inverter every few days. Lithium is a tough $ button to push in building a complete 12v system but I am starting to see some complete lithium/solar systems coming from Montana with Dragonfly batteries, the parent of Battleborn.Thanks for always mentioning the costs vs technology.
Thanks for sharing your battery experiences with us Nick. Using 6 volt batteries is indeed a step up from most 12 volt batteries. And I too would love to have a bank of lithium batteries, but the cost is just prohibitive for my use thus far. Lets hope that that the price keeps coming down in the future.
@@RVInspectionAndCare I do work in the technology field and there are many new promising battery technologies in play. As with any new technology like this prices and capacities could change quickly.
Good point Nick. Thanks for sharing that information. A lot of the current battery technology used in RVs is pretty old stuff. So change would be welcome!
Thank you!
You're welcome Cybil!
Duane you have hit a another HOME RUN!! It's hard to come up with the cash for the lithium batteries but when you factor in weight, maintaining, number of cycles charge, discharged and no off gassing! No other choice for me. THANKS SAFE TRAVELS TO YOU
Hi Ron. You can't go wrong with Battleborn lithium batteries. They just work well and last an incredibly long time. I'm sure that you're going to love them!
Great video, as always! One note on multi-stage charger-converters: the charging pattern for lead-acid, AGM, and Lithium (LiFePo4) is different. Some chargers are programmed for all three, and will automatically detect which one. Others are coded for just one type of battery.
Make sure you match the charger profile to the battery type, or you won't get the most life (and charge) out of your battery.
That's a great point Chris. Thanks for mentioning it here!
😄👍Good To Know, Great Tips
Glad it was helpful for you. Thanks for watching!
Another good video, defintely lithium is the way to go, costly at $1k / battery, but see it as an investment, they will provide many years of reliable power and peace of mind.
Good thinking Rejean. Despite the cost, many RVers are choosing lithium batteries these days for the reasons you mentioned.
After 4 years FT we learned that we enjoy boondocking most of the time. We just ditched the 2 FLA golf cart batteries that we started our FT adventure with in January and build a custom 560ah zero maintenance, 12v LiFePo-4 battery from 8, 280ah prismatic cells. The grade "A" cells we chose have an 8,000-cycle mfg. projected life at 80% DOD or 6,000 cycles at 100% DOD. This means that if we cycled them 100% every single day, 365 days a year, they would last over 16 years! The main reason we went with these cells (other than their price and quality) is that they fit perfectly under the steps of our motorhome where our old pair of GC-2 golf cart batteries used to reside, saving 35lbs while having over 5 times the usable energy storage capacity. We found they charge much faster too. We insulated the battery compartment, cut a small 1" hole in our step risers and installed a tiny computer CPU fan to keep this space at close to room temperature. We have the fan mounted blowing over our 5a active balancer to keep this component cool and healthy, prolonging its life too. This battery has about the capacity of 2 Battleborn Gamechangers, a pair of which will set you back over $4,700, yet our equivalent capacity custom built battery only cost us $1,500 to assemble, complete with a 330A Heltec BMS (with a 1,200a surge for starting our generator) and a 5a active balancer. Plus, it fits under our steps, while the Gamechangers do not.
We started our build 4 years ago with a 620-watt liftable solar array mounted on the side of our motorhome. It serves as a nice bedroom window awning too. It practically lifts itself to the correct angle with a couple gas struts and it's easy to clean with a windshield squeegee, standing safely on the ground. Lifting an array to the correct angle determined by latitude and month, produces 25-30% more than a flat mounted array - even more in winter when the sun is low on the horizon. The cost of our entire off-grid solar set-up, including the liftable array, wiring, breakers, a new Progressive Dynamics 80a Li compatible converter/charger, 600w PSW inverter (to run our TV and PC - we still use our generator to run the AC and microwave), an Epever 50a MPPT controller, an Lnex battery monitor/shunt, and a Renogy battery to battery charger (to protect the alternator) was around $3,600 - still $1,100 cheaper than a pair of Battleborn Gamechanger batteries by themselves!
Thanks for sharing your setup with us Chip. And thanks for watching the video too!
Thanks for the great info! Batteries in our travel trailer never seem to have a great lifespan (despite minimal use) but I never considered the converter/charger potentially being the problem. Probably one of those situations where manufacturers use the cheapest component they can get because they know it’s out of sight anyways… I’ll admit it’s not the first thing I check when I’m RV shopping!😏 Now maybe a good time to upgrade our battery and charger!🤔
Many travel trailers only get a single stage converter to use with the battery onboard and it's not only very basic, it's also pretty lame. So replacing the converter would probably be a smart move. Going to a 3 stage smaller converter would not be that expensive and it would be the best thing you could do for the life of your battery. Thanks for sharing your experience with us!
I appreciate the video you provide, especially reviewing the three types of batteries with the pros and cons. One concern and issue we are having, since we need to buy new house batteries for our 24 year old RV, is that we have an onboard generator that is started off of the house batteries.
We will be installing a new quality multistage converter for our coach this coming spring, but we’re having problems finding out information as to whether a quality lithium battery can be used to start our generator.
That's an interesting question. My recommendation would be to contact the manufacturer of the generator and see what recommendation they have for the type of battery that will be best suited for starting that brand and model of generator.
I’m currently building a solar system in my 5th wheel. After researching this endlessly I am going with 100ah Battleborn lithium batteries. Yes they are expensive but they are far superior in every other category compared to any of other the other options available.
Cost per cycle is cheaper in the long run.
That's a great choice HT. It's hard to argue with all of the advantages of Battleborn lithium batteries, especially for solar applications. If you can afford the up-front cost, they are well worth buying any day of the week and twice on Sunday! :-)
Ask yourself two questions. What is your personal remaining lifespan using your fifth-wheel off the grid? Then, ask yourself what is the useful remaining lifespan of your fifth-wheel? Then, compare those answers to the lifespan of lithium batteries.
Lethium batteries don't like heat.
Thats another con for it.
Thanks for the great video 😊
I have hear that too. But as far as I can tell, if the battery compartment is well ventilated it shouldn't be a major problem in most cases. But thanks for mentioning that point!
Thanks for another Awesome program Dwane ! Please keep up Your Great work !
Thank you so much Hans! Will do! :-)
I'm sure that this video will help someone out
Thanks Howard. There's so much to learn about RV batteries. and there is a lot of misinformation out there too. I hope this video will be helpful though.
Great, basic information. Research converter before changing batteries to lithium, a lot don't charge high enough. Our brand new Winnebago with a WFCO 8955 is perfect example.
That's a good point. Thanks for contributing Bob!
Good info about flooded vs AGM - which is what I was after... especially the safe higher depth of discharge with AGM... I learned something! Lithium is still too expensive upfront for me. I'm looking at AGM in the next year or so when my "old school" 6v GC2 golf cart batteries need replaced.
I just want to caution (clarify) about potentially confusing information displayed on the screen (0:57). Is it possibly you intended to mean "2 pair" of 6v batteries? *Batteries wired in parallel DO NOT increase voltage* . Two 6 volt "golf cart" batteries *MUST* be wired in *SERIES* , not parallel to increase their combined output voltage to the required 12 volts for your RV. *Parallel doubles capacity; Series doubles voltage.*
Hi Norton. Thanks for catching that error. You are correct. The batteries need to be wired in series to achieve 12 total volts. As you say, two pairs of batteries could be wired in parallel, but to get 12 volts each pair must be in series. I don't know how that mistake was made in my editing, but I'm glad that you found it and pointed it out. Thanks for watching!
Original 100Ah AGM battery just wasn't cutting it during my first trip of 28 days in my "new" 2021 Flagstaff 20DS. I learned that the converter wasn't working and got a stand alone Li/Pb charger with proper 2 & 3 stage algorithms that got me through the trip. I'm replacing the WFCO converter to the Li/Pb auto-detect and need to go from there. I'll try a second 100AGM in parallel to see how that stands up before committing to a 200Ah Li strategy.
That sounds very logical Allen. I hope it all works. Thanks for watching!
@@RVInspectionAndCare Maybe a 100Ah Li would be a better third step since most all of those Ahs can be used which would more than double my single AGM. Lots to ponder...
Thank-you for another great video. You really are a fantastic teacher. We own a 2000 Newmar MountainAire and i wonder if we have a single stage charger or a multi stage charger? How can i tell the difference?
That's a good question Daralen. I'm assuming that you have a diesel pusher and if so the brochure for that year says it comes standard with a 75 amp converter/charger. If so, I would bet that it's a multi-stage charger. To be sure, try to find the charger and look up the specs for that brand online. It will tell you what it is capable of doing. I hope that helps.
@@RVInspectionAndCare Thanks for the info, we have a gas model but i will try to look it up, we have only had it a short time so we are still learning about it.
Thank you soooo much.im using you to educate me before I buy my first rv next year.im dead set on the Thor magnitude.they have a 4x4 44 ft. And a 4x2 35ft. And I feel the 4x4 option is important for winter time,but I am interested in the 4x2 35 ft.because of the size.i really need your professional advice.
Hi Carlos. The Thor Magnitude is a great coach. It's hard to say which will be better for you. Either one is a good RV. If you plan on going off-road at all the 4x4 will be great to have, but a 44 ft. RV will affect how easily you can get a campsite in many places. 35 ft. is a much more manageable length both on the road and getting a campsite.
Thank you so much,what are you thoughts on the nexus 2021 36ds.it seems to be a very strong road capable rv.,any cons or pros,and do u think we would have problems also getting a space at camp sites
Great video. We are going to do a lot of boondocking this summer out west. We are undecided to go with the AGM or lithium battery (looking to buy 2). Either way, you said to get a multi-stage charger/converter. We bought a new Champion 4500 watt inverter generator. Can we use this to charge the batteries without overcharging?
Hi Dennis. The Champion generator will be a great source of power for your RV when you are boondocking. But you are still going to need a good multi-stage charger in between the power source and the batteries. That's what makes sure that the power from the generator is feed to the batteries properly without overcharging them.
@@RVInspectionAndCare thank you
For the AGM's which monitor unit do you like best for battery level, charge status and amp draw monitoring?
Renogy makes a great all-around battery monitor. You can find it on Amazon.
Great job. I just want to find a good house battery that can get us through the night when stopping at Wal Mart or Harvest Host location. I need to check with Grand Design to see if the converter is multi-stage because lithium seems like the best option. Thank you.
Lithium batteries can be a great choice for boondocking. One of the big advantages is you get almost 100% use of the amp hours in the battery. Plus they last a really long time before needing to be replaced. The main downside is the cost. But if that isn't prohibitive, they can be a great solution for boondocking needs. Thanks for commenting Ken!
@@RVInspectionAndCare great to hear. I plan on using a portable solar kit if later but not interested in a permanently installed system. Thanks
I would love to hear how you would add two batteries to an existing two battery house system.
If your question is about wiring, here is a great resource page for that Scott - thecampingnerd.com/how-to-wire-multiple-12v-or-6v-batteries-rv/
A reputable rv service shop mentioned to me that lithium batteries are delicate and all the road shock can damage them. I have a propane generator in my front compartment and a solar system witj a lultistage charger. Cam i put 6 volt agm batteries also in the front compartment. I believe there is a sheet metal divider between the solar battery area and generator. Do i need a battery boxwitj a lid that vents??
Hi Thomas. It's hard to tell what kind of battery setup you can use on your RV without seeing it in person. I recommend that you have an RV service tech take a look at what space you have available and make recommendations based on what they see. If you plan on using AGM batteries I recommend that they have a ventilation provision though. Even though they usually don't off-gas as much as a FLA battery, there is still some off-gassing that can take place and it's best to be safe and ventilate the batteries well.
Great video, question for you. I have 4 Lead Acid, 200 usable amp hours. Should I replace with 4 Lithium batteries? I'm thinking that would give me 400 usable amp hours. So, to cut cost i'm thinking 2, maybe 3 would be great. I'm i screwing it up?
Hi Tom and Missy. In most cases, you can replace lead acid batteries with half the battery count if you use lithium batteries instead. The reason for this is most battery experts say that you should not discharge lead acid batteries more than halfway on a regular basis or it will significantly shorten the life of the batteries. But lithium batteries can be discharged almost all the way with each discharge cycle without any adverse effects. So if you had 4 lead acid batteries producing 200 amp hours for your needs and that was acceptable, you can probably get the same results with only two lithium 100 amp hour batteries instead. I hope that helps.
Awesome, thanks for the quick response !!
Whew where do I start? We are full time rvers in a 2019 Winnebago forza 34T we spend 99% of our time in either state parks or rv camp grounds. We travel pretty far between stays and boon-dock two to three days on our trips. I would love to upgrade to the AGM or Lithium batteries but as we are on a budget will it really benefit us. I have some real issues with my house batteries at the moment it seems they are discharging very rapidly and the auto gen doesn’t always keep in step. I sleep with a c-pap machine so I wake up gasping for air and wind up running generator all night.
Here are my two questions are AGM batteries worth it in my current usage patterns ?
Is there a problem with my auto gen function? Or is it a safe guard because my batteries are trashed?
I find lately that calling Winnebago is less than helpful. Thanks for any and all advice.
Hi Kevin. If you spend the vast majority of your time in campgrounds and RV parks, there is no particular reason that a good set of golf cart wet cell batteries wouldn't do the job nicely for you. If you have extra money, AGM batteries make maintenance much easier and they don't off-gas nearly as much. But if you're trying to stay within a budget, wet cell batteries are proven older technology that simply works. We spend almost all our time in RV parks and that's what we have. I hope that helps.
Quick question about temperature, is it an issue with lithium batteries? I notice a warmup period needed with my lithium ion cordless tool batteries.
I haven't heard of any temperature issue with lithium batteries other than some saying that they should not be charged at or below freezing. But if you keep the batteries inside your RV, which is possible since they don't off-gas like other battery types, that should not be an issue. I hope that helps.
@@RVInspectionAndCareIt does, thank you.
1 con about litium batteries is not charging below 32 degrees fahrenheit. Make sure the bms will not allow charging below freezing. Also a pro good lead acid batteries can weigh near 60 lbs. For a 6 volt 100 amp hour battery. I have 1 200 amp hour lithium battery that weighs just over 60 lbs. That battery = usable power in 4 100 amp hour lead acid batteries. For a long term battery usage the cost per amp hour with lead acid is 2 to 3 times more expensive.
It's true that lithium batteries don't handle freezing temps well when charging, but the good news is that since they don't off-gas noxious fumes, they can be mounted inside the RV and kept warm as long as you are using the RV. Thanks for watching!
Please clarify one point. You say “don’t mix different types of batteries”. In one respect, I have to. I have a 12 v, SLI Lead acid for my chassis battery & 2 parallel 12v deep cycle Lead acids for my house batteries. I assume this “mix” is OK...?
It's OK to have different battery types for either the chassis or house batteries, because they are on different circuits and have different uses. It's just not best to have different types of batteries being used for the same purpose. I hope that helps.
I’m charging 12 oh lead acid batteries there interstates as my house batteries with the solar charger and when I first put the cables on I have to connect them directly to the battery if I run them through the controller it doesn’t show any amperage then once they get charged up I can connect hook it to the controller and it shows that I’m running 14.8 but my voltmeter inside fluctuates is that normal
It sounds like there is a problem there John. But it is most likely diagnosed by someone who is qualified to work on solar RV systems. Thanks for watching!
Thank you do you work on motorhomes yourself other than shoulder systems like Saia gearbox
@@johnfought9248 No I am not an RV service tech. I inspect RVs, but I don't work on them.
@@RVInspectionAndCare OK thank you for your help I learned quite a bit about battery from you
What about amount of power of each type vs the battery size?
All of the batteries mentioned come in either 6 volt or 12 volt configurations. And generally speaking, the sizes are pretty similar.
Where should i go to get my 96 Thor four winds motorhome batteries replaced? Im a newbie and don't know much. I spent $200 on a 90 point insepction and now im having issues with it starting. I want to get the lithium batteries but the current battery system has 2 marine batteries that are 6 yrs old and attached some how? I need help getting the right type batteries and want the lithium for full time and boondocking. I have no idea where to buy the batteries or get them installed. Is camping world good ? Im in Indiana near Indianapolis.
Hi Maryedith. I usually only recommend lithium batteries to RVers that do a lot of boondocking as they are still so expensive to buy. But you say that you plan on boondocking so they may be just what you need. I assume that your current battery bank is made up of lead acid batteries. If so, the lithium batteries will have far more usable amp-hour power than what you currently have. But installing batteries safely and properly should most likely be done by an experienced RV tech. I'm not usually a big fan of Camping World as they tend to be very inconsistent in the quality of their work. I don't know any RV techs in Indiana personally. So I recommend that you visit myrvresource.com and search for RV techs in your area. I found a few around the Indianapolis area when I did a quick search. Then check the Google reviews on each tech and see what kind of response they get from previous customers. But a good tech can help you choose the right batteries and install them properly for you. I hope that help Maryedith.
@@RVInspectionAndCare thank you for the help. I enjoy watching you easy to understand videos. Where is your business located ? If I'm ever traveling near there I'll stop and say Hi. 😇
We are full-time RVers Maryedith so we don't really have a location now. Right now we are on our way to New England for the summer. But hopefully we can meet you on the road in our travels! :-)
May i please ask another question? I can not find any place that can get me in asap except interstate batteries. They can install and sell me replacements. Will that be ok for my 96 Thor Four winds Ford motor home. Class C. I can't locate any other batteries except the 2 marine super start RV batteries under the hood. I am really uneducated on all this stuff and as a single woman and a newbie i need HELP please.
If the replacement batteries are lead acid, they will not cost very much Maryedith, certainly much less than lithium batteries. Unless you do a lot of boondocking, lead acid batteries will do fine and will be very economical. If you want to pay a little extra, you could try AGM batteries instead. And if no other option is open to you in the RV repair field, the battery supplier will probably be fine. I would look them up on Google and see what kind of reviews they get from former customers before letting them do the work though.
If you dont know how to upgrade to lithium and solar wheres the best place to go for assistance?
I hope this article and videos may be helpful for you - www.chickerystravels.com/diy-rv-solar-power/
13:27 Super information well presented. Thank you! My 2 house batteries are in the step which is INSIDE the house door. The 2020 Forest River 22 foot Forester rv had lead acid batteries in it when I purchased it!! After hearing your info on gases, I'm concerned. Can I replace these with AGM and be safe? I need to replace as the current ones just began to smell like sulfer, so I am not using the rv until I get a correct replacement. Thank you.
If the house batteries were installed from the factory under the step, most likely there is a way to vent the gases outside the coach, but it would be good to check on that if you decide on wet cell lead acid batteries. But here is a link to a discussion about this choice on one of the Forest River forums. You might find it helpful - www.forestriverforums.com/forums/f218/replace-lead-acid-coach-batteries-with-agm-batteries-248341.html
I understand that Lithium batteries cannot be used as starting batteries. My class C has a button on the dash that lets me start the coach from the house batteries. I was told that lithium batteries don''t work for this application.
Hi Larry. Here is a link to what Battleborn Batteries says about that - battlebornbatteries.com/will-lithium-batteries-work-in-my-travel-trailer-rv/ Just check the answer to the first question. I hope that helps.
Saying an AGM is maintenance free probably not good. Regularly checking your connections is important since they can corrode. AGM’s not properly charged can still put off some gas and cause corrosion.
Thanks for watching
Lithium batteries need heaters for low temperature areas.
That is very true Joe. It's one of the things you have to be careful with if you own lithium batteries.
One of the Biggest Cons You failed to mention about the Lithium batteries is that You can't charge them below 32 degrees...
Good point. Thanks for mentioning that.
LiFePO4 is the best thing since microwave ovens.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts on that Greg.
you forgot the lifepo4 battery's need a special charger, not any charger will be compatible. but that is a minor cost.
and if you price out other lifepo4 battery's you will find great if not better than battle born for less money. not the cheap $2-300 USD units.
watch some videos of will prowse, he puts them to a test, and then tears them open to see how they are made. proves who is good, and who makes junk.
Hi Larry. Thanks for contributing to the discussion.
RV is late to the Lithium game about 30 years late. Solid state batteries are out now more power lighter smaller worlds safer.
Thanks for watching and sharing your thoughts on this subject!