"We're all told at some point we can no longer play the children's game. We just don't know when that's gonna be. Some of us are told at 18, some of us are told at 40, but we're all told."
Learned at 16 when I was in a wood bat league and I was playing against kids who were two years older than me and I was about ten feet in front of the first decent curveball I’d ever been thrown
It's amazing how good of an actor Jonah Hill is when he isn't relegated to playing stupid comedy roles. How he never won anything for best supporting actor in this movie is beyond me.
I think because all we'd really seen him was comedic roles that when he switched to something new his acting was overvalued. Don't get me wrong he did a good job but I don't even think he deserved the Oscar nomination he got. Now in Wolf of Wall Street he definitely deserved it and might have even won it if he wasn't going up against Jared Leto for Dallas Buyer's Club. Just my opinion.
@@BlackFrostmourn I understand what you’re saying. Still hard to break out of the comedy actor pigeon hole. But he’s done this and Wolf of Wall Street.
I can't recall how many times I've seen this movie, but just watching the first couple minutes of this clip makes me wanna watch it again. Absolutely one of my favorites, and pretty underrated as well.
It's comforting to know that in the future my potential opponents will have trained themselves using marshmallows and a copy of Jenny McCarty's dirty sexy astrology.
@@Shinobi33 he's great, this performance highlighted the fact that he can play different roles, not just a loud drunk guy. Not saying it's bad tho wolf on wall St. Was great to
@@clintfowler1526 He also got into hotel ownership, but apparently, that didn't go so well. :) There was also that other thing that we're not supposed to talk about, sort of a men's group. But we were told not to talk about it. Cheers.
in the context of being in the audience for a movie, especially if you've watched this movie multiple times, you see that scene in the garage as a cathartic moment for pete, the moment when he finally felt validated. But in reality, if you were in his position there, and all you hear in reply is a guy who may or may not be making fun of your nerdiness and says "you're funny" as he leaves, that's gotta be devastating. You pour your heart out over your one hobby only for ANOTHER executive to laugh at you. I hope that's what the movie was going for, because I can't see it any other way. It glosses over the fact that Billy Beane, as someone who loved being a contrarian, had a mini-existential crisis because some no-name intern told him that he wasn't crazy, that he isn't doomed to fail. I like to imagine what Pete must have been thinking between that conversation in the garage and the phonecall when he got hired. The call must have seemed out of the blue. The fact that this is a movie takes away basically all the suspense, especially because the story is told through Beane's sole perspective. That's how much an artistic choice can change. I think, in a different movie, this story could have been told way differently.
Damn that's a real good point, I never thought of that. Unfortunately though all Hollywood sees is putting Brad Pitt as the lead for the name, Jonah Hills name only carries for Stoner comedies at least at the time of release.
It's a reaction of respect, you can sense the respect of Billy in this scene. It's a mutual understanding. Billy is talking with a genius, a genius knows he is a genius and he doesn't need a pat on the back.
In reality, the person Hill is supposed to be (Paul DePodesta) was hired by Beane 3 years earlier. He never worked for Mark Shapiro in Cleveland (his boss was John Hart, the Cleveland GM before Shapiro). The thing also missing from the movie was Sandy Alderson, who was Beane's biggest inspiration to change his player evaluation system. If you enjoy the movie, you should really read the book.
I think so, because Billy started a conversation very aggressively like "Who are you? You are a nephew of CEO? Why did they hear you?" (= You don`t look not so important, but actually take a big role in this club). And Pete knew that it would be better not to say that "Baseball is using medieval thinking". But Billy wanted the answer, so pete sincerely opened up himself in the garage. Then, Billy asked "What did you study?", and then said "Yale, Economics, Baseball. You`re funny pete". In the position of pete, it would be translated like this, "Hmmm intersting theory, but you are not an expert at all in according to your career. You are toying with numbers and stats, that`s fine, fresh. But I don`t buy it" And In my opinion, at that point, Billy had a good impression but did not "totally" believe in Peter`s words. Billy reads the book for sabermetrics, meaning that he have to check peter`s words by himself. And he looks exhausted to read it(of course, this is about complex math theory) and maybe didn`t understand at all. But he recalls his decision with out those theories, and he doesn`t want to repeat that. TLDR ; I think that the tension was still there at the elevator, both Billy and Pete.
This movie is fiction. In reality the whole of the Oakland setup was on board with the statistics based analytic approach. That includes all the scouts and the coaches, including Art Howe whose portrayal in this film angered him greatly. Analytic statistic based baseball (or sabermetrics as it’s more commonly known) wasn’t a new innovation in the late 1990’s/early 2000’s. In fact it had been around since the 1970’s. Billy Beane was the one of the first to fully commit an entire organisation to sabermetric thinking. This movie makes it look like it was two people throwing caution to the wind and acting as mavericks. That’s fine for a movie but it doesn’t correspond to reality
@@fallofcamelot The only thing they got right was the statement at the end that it really only works to help win more regular season games and that a bunch of guys without the intangibles don't perform as well in high pressure situations that are the playoffs
@@HufflepuffBaseball42313 No, this is the key point that wasn't made really well in the movie. It isn't so much who scores you points. It is who scores you more points than an average player at the position. The key economic principle is opportunity cost. Where does the money spent, earn you the most extra points. If you spend money on a player, which skills is it best to maximize? So, If you have to get a catcher, it may be best to use your first pick on a HR hitting catcher like Salvador Perez, because the next best catcher is down the list. If you use your first pick on Acuna, sure, he might get the most points, but here are a lot of other hitters close to him that you can pick up later, and you will not be losing a ton of points on the league, with your scrub catcher you picked last.
@@TheToledoTrumpton I grew up hating Sabermetrics (and technically it isn't one because Bill James didn't come up with it, but...) nothing is more important than VORP when you're budgeting a team. If you look at the VORP at every position on your team is becomes blindingly obvious who is expendable and who isn't.
Although the movie does try to hint how flawed and misleading baseball scouts may be. I don’t think Billy Beane made the wrong decision of immediately playing baseball. Sure his professional career may be considered a failure....but he gave it his shot, an opportunity most people can only dream off. And for better or worse it lead him to where he is today.
And yet he had a great school where he could do a lot more. Those scouts were preying on young kids with dreams of stardom so they can make hundreds of millions for the owners. It is predatory and wrong. And all for something that really doesn't add to society. Sports is great and all, but is it really worth all that is put into it?
@@radix4400 At the same time, scouted players are getting absolutely incredible salaries and opportunities. And I would argue that professional sports clearly do add to society, solely based on how much people enjoy them. You can't say it 'doesn't add to society' solely because you don't appreciate the sport. Yes, massive amounts of wealth are used to organize and maintain the highest levels of play, but at the same time, it's highly unlikely that it would be used on something actually beneficial even if it wasn't being directed into sports. Nobody who chose to waste $20 million on funding professional sports would have decided to spend that on environmental conservation if only the sports team weren't there, they would have wasted it in a different way. And, in the end, nothing anybody does has any value at all, besides what each and every individual ascribes to it. Even the concept of 'adding to society' is a construct in your head that other people will define differently. We are all together on a tiny speck in a void so close to infinite that the difference is meaningless at any scale humans can operate in. Why did this comment annoy me so much? I don't even watch sports.
@@radix4400 he received a $125,000 signing bonus and an additional salary for several years for signing with the Mets. That $125K is equivalent to about $411K today. This was also back when college was a fraction of what it costs today. He wanted to be a baseball player, gave it a shot and got a lot of money too. If he failed (as he did), he could always go back go school, he had earned more than enough money to study and get a degree. I don’t see exploitation here, nor a poor decision from Billy. He’s done quite well for himself I may add.
@@radix4400 My concern with sports is that its a big distraction for society when they should be paying attention to things that are more important, but at the same time sports bring so much joy to people and keeps a lot of people physically active, so hard to say if it adds to society or not.
It's always a cool experience when people see something that opens their eyes to a different way of thinking. Part of human behavior is that we create biased views without ever intending to or even realizing that we are doing it. Discounting the potential of a given player because of his unusual technique is just one example. Not long after watching this movie, I realized that many NHL teams have a similar problem right now because they put far too much emphasis on where a prospect was drafted. And this works against the teams in two ways, not only are first round picks viewed with too much expectation but players who are not drafted in the first round are not given the same opportunities to prove themselves. I think every company/organization should have an employee or department made up of people who are from outside the specific business, that way they can provide fresh, unbiased and 'out of the box' thinking. How often has someone come up with an ingenious solution manly because they weren't thinking about the problem from a technical point of view but with just common sense?
except they had plenty of first round picks on that team they would pick up free agents and get supplemental first rounders after not signing them in the off-season. Also unmentioned is that eric chavez was a potential mvp miguel tejada was an mvp and they had three cy youngs and the best closer in baseball, so the team was pretty stacked in a weak division, but they didn't pay giambi i guess.
Your comment is on point. I have spent 30 years working for research companies including the largest one in the world, so I learned long ago to value data over impressions/feelings that are loaded with biases. I once had a boss who would say: "You can't FIX what you can't MEASURE." Which is to say that if you can't objectively measure the variables that drive success and failure, how can you tell when you're doing it right? I have seen the wisdom of that comment over and over again during my career in many different industries. Billy and Pete embraced that wisdom much to the chagrin of every scout who had been selling flawed tarot card readings to their bosses for decades, and in doing so, they changed the game forever.
The one thing this whole movie failed to mention about the As in 02 is their starting pitching (Zito, Mulder, and Hudson) I never read the book but that’s a dream 3 headed monster.
How many runs do pitchers score? Pitching doesn’t win games. Starters only pitch 5-7 innings once every five games. Relievers only pitch one inning and closers only pitch when the team is ahead. Offense is the first component of making a winning team. Good pitching makes good teams great but a good pitcher doesn’t account for that many wins. Look what happened when the a’s traded yoenis cespedes for Jon Lester
@@bv32ification You can't say once every five games when they had their three headed monster of starting pitchers. Not to mention they pitch more innings back then
In my view it would have strengthened their position had they mentioned pitching and the CRITICAL importance of it within their formula. Imagine a similar film about football but without ever mentioning the quarterback was elite.
I didn’t watch the movie, but it probably didn’t mention that the Angels (who won the 2002 ws and went something like 18-2 during the A’s 20 game win streak) was one of the few moneyball teams to actually win a ws.
Baseball’s greatest strength is also its greatest weakness; tradition. They adhere to it because it separates them from other professional sports. At the same it holds them back from asking the hard questions as a sport and as an industry.
“We’re all told at some time that we can no longer play the childrens game….. some of us at 18, some of us at 40… but we’re all told.” I was a 3 sport athlete in high school, football, baseball and wrestling… I wanted to drop football and wrestling and only do baseball my senior year, because I was more concerned with hanging with my friends then doing a sport every season in my final year of high school…. And baseball was my best sport so I still wanted to do that. My father sat me down and essentially had this talk with me… it didn’t hold the weight back then than it does now when I’m in my 40’s. I played out my final seasons in football and wrestling so as not to disappoint my father… but I didn’t do it for myself…. Now when I look back I wish I would have put everything I could have into that final year, from a mental standpoint at least, I went, I practiced hard, I tried my best… but all from a negative state of mind of me not wanting to be there. If I would have been able to see the situation for what it was, I would have happily relished every single moment, instead of despising them.
I love the nervous repetition when he tells Billy he went to Yale. It’s almost like he’s ashamed of it, for some reason. Like he doesn’t consider himself “worthy” of the “Yale” label. Such a small detail that you notice when rewatching because you see how it fits his reserved character.
I think it's more that Billy is wondering what qualifications he has to make claims about baseball. And he admits with his tone that an economics degree from yale isn't exactly qualify his claims right away.
That last line is so important. "This is your decision and whatever your decision is your mother and I are fine with it" It is so so important for a kid to know their parents support where they want to go no matter what. That they will be behind them and rooting for them whether they want to be a refuse collector, an exotic dancer, a New York Met, or a uniformed service member.
@@TNTITAN while it is true one injury can derail a team that's more because football is a game about specialization over general skills in baseball you have to be good across the bored while in football you have to be good at your role that being said usually its the fault of the team for not having a secondary player that can fill the role
I've always wondered if franchise owners in sports ever broke down their payroll to a ratio of cost per touchdown, cost per goal, cost per run, etc. Your highest paid players should be your most productive ones from that perspective.
The ironic thing is that in Damon's 4 years with the Red Sox his average stats were .295 AVG 14 HR 75 RBI 25 SB .361 OBP. He made 2 All-Star teams and was a key player on the 2004 World Series Team. He was worth every penny of that contract.
Yeah, the movie did him dirty. The correct line should be, "Is he worth the $7.5 million a year the Boston Red Sox are paying him? Yes, because they are contenders who can afford to the premium for veteran free agent contracts and he's the best LF available. Is he worth the $7.5 million a year to the Oakland A's? No, because Oakland is dirt poor."
The Red Sox seem to be an example of what happens when Moneyball evaluation actually has money backing it. I haven't looked super deep into it but I do know they applied the concepts and are obviously a bigger market team
The Mets drafted Beane in the same draft as Daryl Strawberry. The Mets had multiple first round picks. Strawberry was number 1 overall but there were people in the Mets organization who wanted Beane first.
Even as a Red Sox fan, I find it fitting that Jonah Hill focused on Johnny Damon in this scene. Because even though he was making MORE than Damon after leaving the Athletics, you could never accuse him of not being worth the money they were paying him.
Johnny Damon was worth every penny compared to others that the A's have paid in the last 20 years. As Pete said, you're trying to buy wins. The A's haven't paid anyone the right amount for those 4 magical wins in the last Series of the baseball season in a long long time.
Thry got their talent afterwards. … Nick Swisher , Jermaine Dye, Frank Thomas, Marco Scutaro. And Johny Damon never developed a decent throwing arm. He couldn’t nail runners from the outfield. And Giambi was on steroids. They held their best players for a while, when Damon signed with Boston. Tim Hudson, Barry Zito , Mark Mulder, Miguel Tejada, Eric Chavez. A $ 7.5 million per year at time was serious money. Manny made $ 20 millions. Most established players were making $3 million range.
Johnny Damon has two World Series championship rings (1 with the Boston Red Sox and 1 with the New York Yankees). I bet he laughs his ass off every time he watches this movie.
I am not a huge baseball fan, but a huge fan of this movie.. The chemistry between Brad and Jonah is amazing.. and movies for me are always much better when they are based in truth/history.. When I was a kid (I am 64) I grew up in NJ, but was a fan of the Oakland Athletics and the Baltimore Orioles .. If the Yankees or Mets made it into the playoff's I would root for them.. Tho their team was legendary with Mantle, Koufax.. ect.. I had all the playing cards.. As I got older, I got into football, it was much more exciting for me.. Baseball has always been a hard sport for me to watch.. But this movie.. Just coolness all the way through.. I love the business end of sports, it fascinates me.. I love this story, very much enjoy how it was told and the whole vibe of the behind the scenes of the Oakland A's during this time... Billy Bean .. awesome Dad as well..
Jonah Hill plays Pete Brand, who is a fictional version of Paul DePodesta (who graduated w/ an economics degree from Harvard, not Yale). What's interesting is that, in real life, DePodesta did not introduce Beane to sabermetrics; Beane was taught sabermetrics by his predecessor, A's prior GM Sandy Alderson.
Look at Damon. He has 2 World Series championships with in a ten year span. Johnny had a solid career and potentially might be put into the Red Sox Hall of Fame. Athletics have ZERO championships since 2000. Moneyball” and “analytics” are a joke.
@@dmalak4509 Baseball is the epitome of a team sport. When you’re look at wins per $$ spent on payroll (a much more important stat when analyzing GMs), the A’s have been much more successful
Remember Damon hit a GRANDSLAM on Game 7 in 04 at the YANKEES, so yeah I’d say he was worth the 7 million, he actually hit 2 home runs that night as the Sox went on to create history… I’m not saying Pete is wrong but Damon did hit those home runs
the goal shouldn't be to be buy wins, the goal should be to attract sponsors and audience. Johny Damon can attract more people to buy tickets. Professors in Yale didn't teach that?
Billy Beane was spectacularly bad as a ballplayer, especially in the majors. As far as the moneyball A's went the book and movie were about the 2002 season but that was really just a continuation of the 2001 season. In 2001 they won 102 games. In 2002 it was 103. So they were already pretty good. Didn't win the world series either time. And before and after those years the A's have been nothing but mediocre, middle of the road under Billy Beane. Sometimes good. Sometimes bad. The concept of moneyball has merits but it's easy to take it WAY too far and think you know more about winning baseball games than you do.
It really shouldn't be a tough decision. The kid can always go back to college after his career is over, when he likely would be a millionaire in his 30s or even his 20s. Or he can just retire for good at that age. I wish I had such tough decisions to make lol.
It is stated in the book that Stanford rejected Billy Beane's request for a deferral and then rescinded the admission. Every decision one makes carries with it an opportunity cost.
Paul DePodesta (Peter Brand in this movie), your "analytics" told you to trade for DeShaun Watson. Everything you say is invalid. You traded for DeShaun Watson.
I agree. I think they were just trying to find a way to show that his mother really did want him to go to Stanford over entering the draft. In the book that’s what it says. Kind of a cheesy way in the movie to address that though
While I don't think this was the case with Billy, not all moms of baseball players are baseball moms. My mom never knew a single thing regarding almost anything with baseball the whole time I was growing up and playing baseball.
Sometimes buying players pays off. Beckham, Zidane and so on has increased Real Madrid's sales and value a lot, especially Beckham's impact in the Asian market was huge. It didn't even matter how they played.
sometimes it is worth in the short term. But if you don't bring results it can backfire. Worst thing in the world? They way the fanboyism is today, no.
I think the point of the dialogue was not to bash Damon, cause the As had no hope of matching the red sox offer, but that they had an opportunity to remain competitive by taking a different approach...
Goodbye Stanford, goodbye highest paid GM in history $12.5 million, goodbye World Series with Red Sox…. This movie was a cautionary tale…. Take advantage of the opportunities when they come your way or you’ll spend your life in regret
I think billy beane has led a largely successful life. He had lots of room for failure and was talented enough both physically and mentally to get more doors open for himself when the previous doors were closed (when he failed in the big leagues and then when he failed in terms of going to Boston and winning a title in Oakland)
I like this movie a lot, but it was a poor choice to single out Johnny Damon and suggest that he wasn't worth the $7.5 million the Red Sox were paying him. He absolutely was worth it. He was 5-WAR, all-star leadoff hitter that was a cornerstone of the Red Sox 2004 curse-breaking championship as well as the Yankees 2009 championship. Neither team gets there without him.
being a part of a team spending a ton of money doenst mean that damon was irreplaceable. the jays had two different lead off hitters in 92 and 93 , replacing a player doesnt mean a team CANT win , we know they DID win with damon but they also won with mark bellhorn is he irreplaceable? not much of an argument. . damon never put up 5 WAR with boston , and his top WAR with oakland was under 3 so it WAS the right move for them to make.
@@simonjames1604 - Dude, he literally only played in Oakland for 1 season. He received MVP votes in 4 others, and the 4-year contract he signed to play in Boston was quite reasonable based on his subsequent production. Mark Bellhorn was a spare part in Boston, Daemon was their table-setter. If Johan Hill's character wanted to make the point about an ex-A's free agent not worth the money he was being paid, a much better example would have the $120 million contract the Yankees lavished on PED abuser Jason Giambi.
@@semperconstance are you kidding? without damon on the books the athletics did far better than they did with damon and that was the point. the bosox with a massive payroll were able to win with damon but they most likely could have won with any decent lead off hitter, you have missed the point entirely . hills character was right on the money and you are just some weird bosox fan who doesnt like the fact that the athletics improved getting damon off the books.
@@simonjames1604 - wrong again - I'm actually a Yankees fan who had to watch Damon play against us 19 times a year so begrudgingly, I realize his value. The A's never actually "replaced Daemon's value"; they won primarily because other guys who were already on the team stepped up big time. PED user Miguel Tejada, who's barely even mentioned in the movie, had an MVP season, and Mulder, Hudson, and Barry Zito (also mostly ignored, despite winning the Cy Young) all had career years on the mound. The A's attempt at replacing Daemon in the OF was signing David Justice, which made for a great Brad Pitt batting cage exchange, until you realize that Justice was barely a replacement level player for them in 2002. The movie also tries to pretend that Jeremy Giambi & Chad Bradford were brought in during the 2001 offseason season as "Moneyball" replacements, when in fact Bradford had already been on the team, and Giambi had been there since 2000. Scott Hatteberg was the only genuine "Moneyball" 2001 offseason addition on the roster. So, really huge chunks of the Moneyball lore is based on a lot of exaggeration.
@@semperconstance its also based on some truth and one of those truths was wasting 7.5 mil on damon per season was a waste of their limited resources that could be use elsewhere to better results. which they got. and which you keep missing , justice was stil 4mil cheaper than damon AND he didnt replace damon . justice was all over the lineup but he wasnt the leadoff hitter , so to quote moneyball" what the f*** are you talking about man?" we are talking about damon as he was portrayed as an asset in this movie. the movie got it right you got it wrong,, every post you make you just show how much you didnt understand the film.thats ok, its not for casual fans like you. try the sandlot more your speed.
I completely agree that Jonah Hill has amazing range as an actor. He is SO much better in a smart, semi-dramatic role like this than he is in his dumbass comedy roles. I think that if he really wanted to, he could play a lead role in his own TV drama series.
You can understand why Beane (the film character) has a beef with scouts. They promise these young kids the world, then throw them away almost immediately. They really do lie in these kids' faces in the small, miniscule chance they help their organization.
They think piece by piece or dollars without understanding how to turn franchises into dynasties by the right pieces for right prices. Bc of this what were dynasties aren't anymore and no one accepts this they live in the past but they think that blind faith gets the job done
Mmmm except that Johnny Damon went on to win World Series with the Red Sox and the Yankees. He is speed and smarts allowed him to steal the extra base in that World Series game which proved pivotal. Would the sabermeteics have predicted that?
And how much clutch comes into this accounting? That's the difference between a championship and first round knock out. Also let's not forget that this team had Zito, Mulder, Liddle, Hudson on the staff and have Chavis and Tajada
The one thing that always bugged me about the moneyball story (not just the movie, but whole shebang) was the suggestion that sabermetrics was some secret formula, but completely glossed over their stellar young pitching staff. "Oh yeah, and we also had Mulder, Hudson, Zito, and Lidle all healthy for a while" is kind of an important detail to leave out, when that starting rotation was the reason those A's teams were worthwhile at all.
The sad part is moneyball has ruined baseball. Players are one dimensional. Pitcher’s try to throw 102 and are gassed after 20 pitches. Batters are only concerned about launch angles and home runs. Where have the Paul Molitor’s, Tony Gwinn’s and George Brett’s gone? Baseball is boring because analytics have made it boring.
That's because Moneyball is not really about baseball. It's about the superiority of data and reasoning over myths and rituals. What Billy Beane and Paul DePodesta did with the A's can be applied to healthcare, social work, reforestation, you name it. I've re-read the book enough times to quote parts of it verbatim, annoying my wife to no end in the process.
Unfortunately, analytics has turned baseball into a game of walks, strikeouts, home runs, and over-shifts where "third basemen" are sometimes positioned in shallow right field. The game has almost become unrecognizable.
DePodesta turned America's past time into something that most people don't want to watch anymore. Analytics have basically ruined the game at the MLB level. Every pitcher throws a 98 mph fastball and the umpires call way to many strikes. Then you have the newly adopted reply that only makes games longer and longer. I predict that in 20 years NHL hockey will overtake MLB baseball.
"We're all told at some point we can no longer play the children's game. We just don't know when that's gonna be. Some of us are told at 18, some of us are told at 40, but we're all told."
I learned that at age 36. Covid 19 pandemic. 2020
@@Evil_Ghandi13 At 24 in 2006.
I don’t understand .-.
@@joshuadesautels at 8 in 1999
Learned at 16 when I was in a wood bat league and I was playing against kids who were two years older than me and I was about ten feet in front of the first decent curveball I’d ever been thrown
It's amazing how good of an actor Jonah Hill is when he isn't relegated to playing stupid comedy roles. How he never won anything for best supporting actor in this movie is beyond me.
I think because all we'd really seen him was comedic roles that when he switched to something new his acting was overvalued. Don't get me wrong he did a good job but I don't even think he deserved the Oscar nomination he got. Now in Wolf of Wall Street he definitely deserved it and might have even won it if he wasn't going up against Jared Leto for Dallas Buyer's Club. Just my opinion.
i swear if i hear this outdated fuckin statement one more time
@@AerynSB oh no whatever will you doooooooooooo
The comedy roles aren't stupid.
Everyone sounds amazing when they have Sorkin Dialogue
Jonah was amazing and so convincing in this movie!
One of the most underrated actors of the past 2 decades. But people can’t see past his old heavy teenage comedic self.
@@Ian-qt5si he'd be less underrated if he took more good scripts like this and stopped doing super weak nonsense comedy
@@BlackFrostmourn I understand what you’re saying. Still hard to break out of the comedy actor pigeon hole. But he’s done this and Wolf of Wall Street.
Crazy he dedicated himself so much to this role, even lost 40 pounds for it
he’s such an underrated actor.
I can't recall how many times I've seen this movie, but just watching the first couple minutes of this clip makes me wanna watch it again. Absolutely one of my favorites, and pretty underrated as well.
It's comforting to know that in the future my potential opponents will have trained themselves using marshmallows and a copy of Jenny McCarty's dirty sexy astrology.
@@horatiosinclair8930 Except you're not a professional baseball player
Needs the follow up scene where Beane calls Pete in the middle of the night and asks him where he would have drafted him
One of my favorite scenes in the movie
I would have taken you in the seventh round. No bonus. You probably would have taken the scholarship from Stanford
@@taitbillings3818 ninth round
@@bulls2386 Yeaaaaaaaaah. Pack your bags Pete.
Jonah Hills best performance of his career no cap
Hmmm Wolf of Wall Street was pretty good too.
@@Shinobi33 he's great, this performance highlighted the fact that he can play different roles, not just a loud drunk guy. Not saying it's bad tho wolf on wall St. Was great to
Nope. Wolf of Wall Street was his best.
@Mr. Melendez Aw man, I’m a week late to make the suggestion :/
Superbad was pretty good for laughs though ngl.
His best serious role, good xomedy actor but this really shown that he could and can do a serious role
Billy choose Stanford, brilliantly graduated as a journalist, spend years working for the UN and saved the world from zombie apocalypse in 2013.
Funny
Actually he started robbing casinos in the early 2000s
@@clintfowler1526 He also got into hotel ownership, but apparently, that didn't go so well. :) There was also that other thing that we're not supposed to talk about, sort of a men's group. But we were told not to talk about it. Cheers.
I'm glad nobody is breaking the first rule of fight club and not talking about all his wonderful contributions to the organization.
was that before or after he fought in the battle of Troy?
in the context of being in the audience for a movie, especially if you've watched this movie multiple times, you see that scene in the garage as a cathartic moment for pete, the moment when he finally felt validated. But in reality, if you were in his position there, and all you hear in reply is a guy who may or may not be making fun of your nerdiness and says "you're funny" as he leaves, that's gotta be devastating. You pour your heart out over your one hobby only for ANOTHER executive to laugh at you. I hope that's what the movie was going for, because I can't see it any other way. It glosses over the fact that Billy Beane, as someone who loved being a contrarian, had a mini-existential crisis because some no-name intern told him that he wasn't crazy, that he isn't doomed to fail.
I like to imagine what Pete must have been thinking between that conversation in the garage and the phonecall when he got hired. The call must have seemed out of the blue. The fact that this is a movie takes away basically all the suspense, especially because the story is told through Beane's sole perspective. That's how much an artistic choice can change. I think, in a different movie, this story could have been told way differently.
Damn that's a real good point, I never thought of that. Unfortunately though all Hollywood sees is putting Brad Pitt as the lead for the name, Jonah Hills name only carries for Stoner comedies at least at the time of release.
It's a reaction of respect, you can sense the respect of Billy in this scene. It's a mutual understanding. Billy is talking with a genius, a genius knows he is a genius and he doesn't need a pat on the back.
In reality, the person Hill is supposed to be (Paul DePodesta) was hired by Beane 3 years earlier. He never worked for Mark Shapiro in Cleveland (his boss was John Hart, the Cleveland GM before Shapiro). The thing also missing from the movie was Sandy Alderson, who was Beane's biggest inspiration to change his player evaluation system. If you enjoy the movie, you should really read the book.
That’s your opinion. Maybe make your own movie and see if people like it. I understood the scene differently.
I think so, because Billy started a conversation very aggressively like "Who are you? You are a nephew of CEO? Why did they hear you?" (= You don`t look not so important, but actually take a big role in this club). And Pete knew that it would be better not to say that "Baseball is using medieval thinking". But Billy wanted the answer, so pete sincerely opened up himself in the garage.
Then, Billy asked "What did you study?", and then said "Yale, Economics, Baseball. You`re funny pete". In the position of pete, it would be translated like this, "Hmmm intersting theory, but you are not an expert at all in according to your career. You are toying with numbers and stats, that`s fine, fresh. But I don`t buy it"
And In my opinion, at that point, Billy had a good impression but did not "totally" believe in Peter`s words. Billy reads the book for sabermetrics, meaning that he have to check peter`s words by himself. And he looks exhausted to read it(of course, this is about complex math theory) and maybe didn`t understand at all. But he recalls his decision with out those theories, and he doesn`t want to repeat that.
TLDR ; I think that the tension was still there at the elevator, both Billy and Pete.
Never been a huge baseball fan, but there is something about these scenes and movie that is so captivating.
It really does feel like you’re being let in on a secret powerful people don’t want you to know
Wish I was a fly at the wall when Billy made all the controversial decisions that nobody understood except Pete.
Read the book.
@@AmericaSpeaks1 flies don't read
This movie is fiction. In reality the whole of the Oakland setup was on board with the statistics based analytic approach. That includes all the scouts and the coaches, including Art Howe whose portrayal in this film angered him greatly.
Analytic statistic based baseball (or sabermetrics as it’s more commonly known) wasn’t a new innovation in the late 1990’s/early 2000’s. In fact it had been around since the 1970’s. Billy Beane was the one of the first to fully commit an entire organisation to sabermetric thinking.
This movie makes it look like it was two people throwing caution to the wind and acting as mavericks. That’s fine for a movie but it doesn’t correspond to reality
@@fallofcamelot The only thing they got right was the statement at the end that it really only works to help win more regular season games and that a bunch of guys without the intangibles don't perform as well in high pressure situations that are the playoffs
@@C4m4r0 Regardless, Oakland completely changed baseball and now one may argue it evolved past it.
Keep that speech in mind when picking players on DraftKings.
Depends on what scores you points, no?
@@HufflepuffBaseball42313 No, this is the key point that wasn't made really well in the movie. It isn't so much who scores you points. It is who scores you more points than an average player at the position.
The key economic principle is opportunity cost. Where does the money spent, earn you the most extra points. If you spend money on a player, which skills is it best to maximize?
So, If you have to get a catcher, it may be best to use your first pick on a HR hitting catcher like Salvador Perez, because the next best catcher is down the list. If you use your first pick on Acuna, sure, he might get the most points, but here are a lot of other hitters close to him that you can pick up later, and you will not be losing a ton of points on the league, with your scrub catcher you picked last.
@@TheToledoTrumpton I grew up hating Sabermetrics (and technically it isn't one because Bill James didn't come up with it, but...) nothing is more important than VORP when you're budgeting a team. If you look at the VORP at every position on your team is becomes blindingly obvious who is expendable and who isn't.
Although the movie does try to hint how flawed and misleading baseball scouts may be. I don’t think Billy Beane made the wrong decision of immediately playing baseball. Sure his professional career may be considered a failure....but he gave it his shot, an opportunity most people can only dream off. And for better or worse it lead him to where he is today.
And yet he had a great school where he could do a lot more.
Those scouts were preying on young kids with dreams of stardom so they can make hundreds of millions for the owners. It is predatory and wrong. And all for something that really doesn't add to society. Sports is great and all, but is it really worth all that is put into it?
He could've been drafted after college though
@@radix4400 At the same time, scouted players are getting absolutely incredible salaries and opportunities. And I would argue that professional sports clearly do add to society, solely based on how much people enjoy them. You can't say it 'doesn't add to society' solely because you don't appreciate the sport. Yes, massive amounts of wealth are used to organize and maintain the highest levels of play, but at the same time, it's highly unlikely that it would be used on something actually beneficial even if it wasn't being directed into sports. Nobody who chose to waste $20 million on funding professional sports would have decided to spend that on environmental conservation if only the sports team weren't there, they would have wasted it in a different way.
And, in the end, nothing anybody does has any value at all, besides what each and every individual ascribes to it. Even the concept of 'adding to society' is a construct in your head that other people will define differently. We are all together on a tiny speck in a void so close to infinite that the difference is meaningless at any scale humans can operate in.
Why did this comment annoy me so much? I don't even watch sports.
@@radix4400 he received a $125,000 signing bonus and an additional salary for several years for signing with the Mets. That $125K is equivalent to about $411K today. This was also back when college was a fraction of what it costs today.
He wanted to be a baseball player, gave it a shot and got a lot of money too. If he failed (as he did), he could always go back go school, he had earned more than enough money to study and get a degree. I don’t see exploitation here, nor a poor decision from Billy. He’s done quite well for himself I may add.
@@radix4400 My concern with sports is that its a big distraction for society when they should be paying attention to things that are more important, but at the same time sports bring so much joy to people and keeps a lot of people physically active, so hard to say if it adds to society or not.
It's always a cool experience when people see something that opens their eyes to a different way of thinking. Part of human behavior is that we create biased views without ever intending to or even realizing that we are doing it. Discounting the potential of a given player because of his unusual technique is just one example. Not long after watching this movie, I realized that many NHL teams have a similar problem right now because they put far too much emphasis on where a prospect was drafted. And this works against the teams in two ways, not only are first round picks viewed with too much expectation but players who are not drafted in the first round are not given the same opportunities to prove themselves. I think every company/organization should have an employee or department made up of people who are from outside the specific business, that way they can provide fresh, unbiased and 'out of the box' thinking. How often has someone come up with an ingenious solution manly because they weren't thinking about the problem from a technical point of view but with just common sense?
except they had plenty of first round picks on that team they would pick up free agents and get supplemental first rounders after not signing them in the off-season. Also unmentioned is that eric chavez was a potential mvp miguel tejada was an mvp and they had three cy youngs and the best closer in baseball, so the team was pretty stacked in a weak division, but they didn't pay giambi i guess.
Your comment is on point. I have spent 30 years working for research companies including the largest one in the world, so I learned long ago to value data over impressions/feelings that are loaded with biases. I once had a boss who would say: "You can't FIX what you can't MEASURE." Which is to say that if you can't objectively measure the variables that drive success and failure, how can you tell when you're doing it right? I have seen the wisdom of that comment over and over again during my career in many different industries. Billy and Pete embraced that wisdom much to the chagrin of every scout who had been selling flawed tarot card readings to their bosses for decades, and in doing so, they changed the game forever.
@@DirectionlessStudent You make some excellent points and I'm flattered that you supported my position. Cheers.
The one thing this whole movie failed to mention about the As in 02 is their starting pitching (Zito, Mulder, and Hudson) I never read the book but that’s a dream 3 headed monster.
Book barely mentions it either. Because it’s trying to sell a story
How many runs do pitchers score? Pitching doesn’t win games. Starters only pitch 5-7 innings once every five games. Relievers only pitch one inning and closers only pitch when the team is ahead. Offense is the first component of making a winning team. Good pitching makes good teams great but a good pitcher doesn’t account for that many wins. Look what happened when the a’s traded yoenis cespedes for Jon Lester
@@bv32ification You can't say once every five games when they had their three headed monster of starting pitchers. Not to mention they pitch more innings back then
In my view it would have strengthened their position had they mentioned pitching and the CRITICAL importance of it within their formula. Imagine a similar film about football but without ever mentioning the quarterback was elite.
I didn’t watch the movie, but it probably didn’t mention that the Angels (who won the 2002 ws and went something like 18-2 during the A’s 20 game win streak) was one of the few moneyball teams to actually win a ws.
Baseball’s greatest strength is also its greatest weakness; tradition. They adhere to it because it separates them from other professional sports. At the same it holds them back from asking the hard questions as a sport and as an industry.
“We’re all told at some time that we can no longer play the childrens game….. some of us at 18, some of us at 40… but we’re all told.”
I was a 3 sport athlete in high school, football, baseball and wrestling… I wanted to drop football and wrestling and only do baseball my senior year, because I was more concerned with hanging with my friends then doing a sport every season in my final year of high school…. And baseball was my best sport so I still wanted to do that.
My father sat me down and essentially had this talk with me… it didn’t hold the weight back then than it does now when I’m in my 40’s.
I played out my final seasons in football and wrestling so as not to disappoint my father… but I didn’t do it for myself…. Now when I look back I wish I would have put everything I could have into that final year, from a mental standpoint at least, I went, I practiced hard, I tried my best… but all from a negative state of mind of me not wanting to be there.
If I would have been able to see the situation for what it was, I would have happily relished every single moment, instead of despising them.
This movie makes me cry in Iike 100 different places. Even though it’s about baseball some how it seems to transcend.
I love the nervous repetition when he tells Billy he went to Yale. It’s almost like he’s ashamed of it, for some reason. Like he doesn’t consider himself “worthy” of the “Yale” label. Such a small detail that you notice when rewatching because you see how it fits his reserved character.
I think it's more that Billy is wondering what qualifications he has to make claims about baseball. And he admits with his tone that an economics degree from yale isn't exactly qualify his claims right away.
That last line is so important. "This is your decision and whatever your decision is your mother and I are fine with it"
It is so so important for a kid to know their parents support where they want to go no matter what. That they will be behind them and rooting for them whether they want to be a refuse collector, an exotic dancer, a New York Met, or a uniformed service member.
Being a Met though? Kid should have done Stanford and exotic dancer!
What if your kids hitler?
Don't think they would have said that if exotic dancing was the third option LMFAO
We respect your decision to have sweet tarts for every meal. We are so proud of you.
“Your goal shouldn’t be to buy playing your goal should be to buy wins.” This quote is not just for baseball but for football basketball and hockey.
Football harder because all it takes is one injury to derail a whole team.
@@TNTITAN while it is true one injury can derail a team that's more because football is a game about specialization over general skills in baseball you have to be good across the bored while in football you have to be good at your role that being said usually its the fault of the team for not having a secondary player that can fill the role
@@wander1139 Well at high levels it is very hard to have a sufficiently good secondary player
Uh and then he follows it up with one of the worst analysis of a player ever and I'm no RED Sawks fan. Dumb movie written by dumb people.
I've always wondered if franchise owners in sports ever broke down their payroll to a ratio of cost per touchdown, cost per goal, cost per run, etc. Your highest paid players should be your most productive ones from that perspective.
Damon was a monster with the red sox, nice move there to let him go
The ironic thing is that in Damon's 4 years with the Red Sox his average stats were .295 AVG 14 HR 75 RBI 25 SB .361 OBP. He made 2 All-Star teams and was a key player on the 2004 World Series Team. He was worth every penny of that contract.
Yeah, the movie did him dirty. The correct line should be, "Is he worth the $7.5 million a year the Boston Red Sox are paying him? Yes, because they are contenders who can afford to the premium for veteran free agent contracts and he's the best LF available. Is he worth the $7.5 million a year to the Oakland A's? No, because Oakland is dirt poor."
@@mrmacross Oakland isn’t dirt poor, John Fischer is just a cheapskate penny pincher
Well, in light of the financial situation Billy had, Damon wasn't worth it IN OAKLAND.
The Red Sox seem to be an example of what happens when Moneyball evaluation actually has money backing it. I haven't looked super deep into it but I do know they applied the concepts and are obviously a bigger market team
The Mets drafted Beane in the same draft as Daryl Strawberry. The Mets had multiple first round picks. Strawberry was number 1 overall but there were people in the Mets organization who wanted Beane first.
How can you not be romantic about baseball
Even as a Red Sox fan, I find it fitting that Jonah Hill focused on Johnny Damon in this scene. Because even though he was making MORE than Damon after leaving the Athletics, you could never accuse him of not being worth the money they were paying him.
Johnny Damon was worth every penny compared to others that the A's have paid in the last 20 years. As Pete said, you're trying to buy wins. The A's haven't paid anyone the right amount for those 4 magical wins in the last Series of the baseball season in a long long time.
Not a Red Sox fan and I can argue that Johnny Damon was worth every penny of that contract Boston paid for him
Thry got their talent afterwards. …
Nick Swisher , Jermaine Dye, Frank Thomas, Marco Scutaro.
And Johny Damon never developed a decent throwing arm. He couldn’t nail runners from the outfield.
And Giambi was on steroids.
They held their best players for a while, when Damon signed with Boston. Tim Hudson, Barry Zito , Mark Mulder, Miguel Tejada, Eric Chavez.
A $ 7.5 million per year at time was serious money. Manny made $ 20 millions. Most established players were making $3 million range.
Johnny Damon watching this 👀
Johnny Damon has two World Series championship rings (1 with the Boston Red Sox and 1 with the New York Yankees). I bet he laughs his ass off every time he watches this movie.
It also helps when you have an MVP and a cy young winner
When I see Johnny Damon, I see someone about to sing I Adore Mi Amor
I am not a huge baseball fan, but a huge fan of this movie.. The chemistry between Brad and Jonah is amazing.. and movies for me are always much better when they are based in truth/history..
When I was a kid (I am 64) I grew up in NJ, but was a fan of the Oakland Athletics and the Baltimore Orioles .. If the Yankees or Mets made it into the playoff's I would root for them.. Tho their team was legendary with Mantle, Koufax.. ect.. I had all the playing cards..
As I got older, I got into football, it was much more exciting for me.. Baseball has always been a hard sport for me to watch..
But this movie.. Just coolness all the way through.. I love the business end of sports, it fascinates me..
I love this story, very much enjoy how it was told and the whole vibe of the behind the scenes of the Oakland A's during this time... Billy Bean .. awesome Dad as well..
Jonah Hill plays Pete Brand, who is a fictional version of Paul DePodesta (who graduated w/ an economics degree from Harvard, not Yale). What's interesting is that, in real life, DePodesta did not introduce Beane to sabermetrics; Beane was taught sabermetrics by his predecessor, A's prior GM Sandy Alderson.
Thank goodness this clip is in HD
Say what you will about the Sox paying Damon $7.5M a year, but I'd say he worked out pretty well for them lol
Of course! The real truth lies somewhere in the middle of statistical significance and perceived value
Look at Damon. He has 2 World Series championships with in a ten year span. Johnny had a solid career and potentially might be put into the Red Sox Hall of Fame. Athletics have ZERO championships since 2000. Moneyball” and “analytics” are a joke.
@@dmalak4509 It’s just my opinion and all, but I personally think that it’s a more effective way of evaluation on players through management.
@@dmalak4509 moneyball and analytics aren't a joke, it's just that after the A's did it the teams with money did the same thing but with more money
@@dmalak4509 Baseball is the epitome of a team sport. When you’re look at wins per $$ spent on payroll (a much more important stat when analyzing GMs), the A’s have been much more successful
Remember Damon hit a GRANDSLAM on Game 7 in 04 at the YANKEES, so yeah I’d say he was worth the 7 million, he actually hit 2 home runs that night as the Sox went on to create history… I’m not saying Pete is wrong but Damon did hit those home runs
This is probably the best Baseball movie ever made because it is more reality and no fantasy which is most baseball movies.
No fantasy? Eh....
Jonah kills every role he plays,, legend
the goal shouldn't be to be buy wins, the goal should be to attract sponsors and audience. Johny Damon can attract more people to buy tickets. Professors in Yale didn't teach that?
At some point we’re all told we can no longer play the children’s game some of us are told at 18 some of us are told at 40. But we’re all told.
Don’t think the Red Sox regretted acquiring Damon.
Billy Beane was spectacularly bad as a ballplayer, especially in the majors. As far as the moneyball A's went the book and movie were about the 2002 season but that was really just a continuation of the 2001 season. In 2001 they won 102 games. In 2002 it was 103. So they were already pretty good. Didn't win the world series either time. And before and after those years the A's have been nothing but mediocre, middle of the road under Billy Beane. Sometimes good. Sometimes bad. The concept of moneyball has merits but it's easy to take it WAY too far and think you know more about winning baseball games than you do.
Peter was dead wrong here. If your a Red Sox fan Johnny was worth what they paid him. Game 7 04 alcs proved that
This is a great scene, but it’s also worth mentioning that Johnny Damon was worth every penny of those $7.5 million a year.
Folks, this just doesn’t apply to sports, this applies to us all going forward. Scary.
It really shouldn't be a tough decision. The kid can always go back to college after his career is over, when he likely would be a millionaire in his 30s or even his 20s. Or he can just retire for good at that age. I wish I had such tough decisions to make lol.
Yeah unless your career bombs hard, or you get injured early, etc
It is stated in the book that Stanford rejected Billy Beane's request for a deferral and then rescinded the admission. Every decision one makes carries with it an opportunity cost.
And this sums up the Mets for the past 30 years.
Paul DePodesta (Peter Brand in this movie), your "analytics" told you to trade for DeShaun Watson.
Everything you say is invalid.
You traded for DeShaun Watson.
Plus their draft picks and system was trasg
So the algorithm brought us all here to meet. Nice.
Camera angles in this scene are fantastic
What baseball mom thinks you can do both? That line has always rubbed me the wrong way.
I agree. I think they were just trying to find a way to show that his mother really did want him to go to Stanford over entering the draft. In the book that’s what it says. Kind of a cheesy way in the movie to address that though
i mean Prime played nfl football so
@@BurnedSpace You can do 2 professional sports. You CAN’T be a professional athlete and still play collegiate sports.
While I don't think this was the case with Billy, not all moms of baseball players are baseball moms. My mom never knew a single thing regarding almost anything with baseball the whole time I was growing up and playing baseball.
@@jdolaktv Mike trout just casually shows up at Vandy: “y’all ready to win a national championship?”
Sometimes buying players pays off. Beckham, Zidane and so on has increased Real Madrid's sales and value a lot, especially Beckham's impact in the Asian market was huge. It didn't even matter how they played.
sometimes it is worth in the short term. But if you don't bring results it can backfire. Worst thing in the world? They way the fanboyism is today, no.
Econ majors were EATING in the 2000’s sports world analytical desert
This movie is very clip-friendly on YT. You can see the whole movie, there are so many clips.
Fantastic scene and a great movie !
I think the point of the dialogue was not to bash Damon, cause the As had no hope of matching the red sox offer, but that they had an opportunity to remain competitive by taking a different approach...
Goodbye Stanford, goodbye highest paid GM in history $12.5 million, goodbye World Series with Red Sox…. This movie was a cautionary tale…. Take advantage of the opportunities when they come your way or you’ll spend your life in regret
I think billy beane has led a largely successful life. He had lots of room for failure and was talented enough both physically and mentally to get more doors open for himself when the previous doors were closed (when he failed in the big leagues and then when he failed in terms of going to Boston and winning a title in Oakland)
I like this movie a lot, but it was a poor choice to single out Johnny Damon and suggest that he wasn't worth the $7.5 million the Red Sox were paying him. He absolutely was worth it. He was 5-WAR, all-star leadoff hitter that was a cornerstone of the Red Sox 2004 curse-breaking championship as well as the Yankees 2009 championship. Neither team gets there without him.
being a part of a team spending a ton of money doenst mean that damon was irreplaceable. the jays had two different lead off hitters in 92 and 93 , replacing a player doesnt mean a team CANT win , we know they DID win with damon but they also won with mark bellhorn is he irreplaceable? not much of an argument.
. damon never put up 5 WAR with boston , and his top WAR with oakland was under 3 so it WAS the right move for them to make.
@@simonjames1604 - Dude, he literally only played in Oakland for 1 season. He received MVP votes in 4 others, and the 4-year contract he signed to play in Boston was quite reasonable based on his subsequent production. Mark Bellhorn was a spare part in Boston, Daemon was their table-setter. If Johan Hill's character wanted to make the point about an ex-A's free agent not worth the money he was being paid, a much better example would have the $120 million contract the Yankees lavished on PED abuser Jason Giambi.
@@semperconstance are you kidding? without damon on the books the athletics did far better than they did with damon and that was the point. the bosox with a massive payroll were able to win with damon but they most likely could have won with any decent lead off hitter, you have missed the point entirely . hills character was right on the money and you are just some weird bosox fan who doesnt like the fact that the athletics improved getting damon off the books.
@@simonjames1604 - wrong again - I'm actually a Yankees fan who had to watch Damon play against us 19 times a year so begrudgingly, I realize his value. The A's never actually "replaced Daemon's value"; they won primarily because other guys who were already on the team stepped up big time. PED user Miguel Tejada, who's barely even mentioned in the movie, had an MVP season, and Mulder, Hudson, and Barry Zito (also mostly ignored, despite winning the Cy Young) all had career years on the mound. The A's attempt at replacing Daemon in the OF was signing David Justice, which made for a great Brad Pitt batting cage exchange, until you realize that Justice was barely a replacement level player for them in 2002. The movie also tries to pretend that Jeremy Giambi & Chad Bradford were brought in during the 2001 offseason season as "Moneyball" replacements, when in fact Bradford had already been on the team, and Giambi had been there since 2000. Scott Hatteberg was the only genuine "Moneyball" 2001 offseason addition on the roster. So, really huge chunks of the Moneyball lore is based on a lot of exaggeration.
@@semperconstance its also based on some truth and one of those truths was wasting 7.5 mil on damon per season was a waste of their limited resources that could be use elsewhere to better results. which they got. and which you keep missing , justice was stil 4mil cheaper than damon AND he didnt replace damon . justice was all over the lineup but he wasnt the leadoff hitter , so to quote moneyball" what the f*** are you talking about man?" we are talking about damon as he was portrayed as an asset in this movie. the movie got it right you got it wrong,, every post you make you just show how much you didnt understand the film.thats ok, its not for casual fans like you. try the sandlot more your speed.
This is my method when playing football manager lol
in fairness the sox did win a title with Damon and he was a big part of it. 7.5 million is well spent even if you get one ring.
Yeah I was gonna say, his captain caveman days were pretty good.
3:18 "We're all told."
This movie is truly fascinating
Both Brad and Jonahs best movie 🍿
Amazing how to highlight that A's season without much mention of Zito, Hudson, Mulder, hernandez, Chavez , tejada , ellis, dye, long, Koch
2:39 *expect*
This was just such a brilliantly made movie
I completely agree that Jonah Hill has amazing range as an actor. He is SO much better in a smart, semi-dramatic role like this than he is in his dumbass comedy roles. I think that if he really wanted to, he could play a lead role in his own TV drama series.
For some reason I feel like this applies to the Chicago Bears ownership
This was the conversation Pace and staff had about Deshaun Watson before drafting Mitch
@Mound Builder 🥲🤮
Loves this movie when it came out but now I dunno. Analytics is being over used and is ruining the game.
You can understand why Beane (the film character) has a beef with scouts. They promise these young kids the world, then throw them away almost immediately. They really do lie in these kids' faces in the small, miniscule chance they help their organization.
The one movie where Jonah never swears
They think piece by piece or dollars without understanding how to turn franchises into dynasties by the right pieces for right prices. Bc of this what were dynasties aren't anymore and no one accepts this they live in the past but they think that blind faith gets the job done
I like this movie. The sad thing is, that Brad Pitt never thought about Jonah Hill being a serious actor.
Where’d you see that?
Mmmm except that Johnny Damon went on to win World Series with the Red Sox and the Yankees. He is speed and smarts allowed him to steal the extra base in that World Series game which proved pivotal. Would the sabermeteics have predicted that?
I doubt there is a better baseball movie!!!
And how much clutch comes into this accounting? That's the difference between a championship and first round knock out.
Also let's not forget that this team had Zito, Mulder, Liddle, Hudson on the staff and have Chavis and Tajada
This is why Moneyball teams crush regular seasons and don't do shit in the playoffs
@@willlasdf123 every team uses “moneyball” these days
@@willlasdf123 Like how the Red Sox and Cubs and Dodgers have never won anything because "moneyball" sucks.
The one thing that always bugged me about the moneyball story (not just the movie, but whole shebang) was the suggestion that sabermetrics was some secret formula, but completely glossed over their stellar young pitching staff. "Oh yeah, and we also had Mulder, Hudson, Zito, and Lidle all healthy for a while" is kind of an important detail to leave out, when that starting rotation was the reason those A's teams were worthwhile at all.
Great advances in science, philosophy, law and the other arts during the Middle Ages.
I guess Jonah missed game 7 of the 2004 alcs
Well unless you wanted him to time travel I don’t think that would be possible for him to watch anyways.
Easily worth 7.5 for any high budget club
Jonah killed it in this movie
i hate when they say we play a children's game. it was invented for adults like all sports. kids happen to play it
Crazy how in
I would go to Stanford. It is surer and longer lasting.
He called him Mr. Bean hur hur
The first minute and a half describes exactly how I feel about space. And I wish to God I could just tell somebody.
Space as in outer space?
Space got rid of Johnny Damon? Did it think he a waste of space?
I'm all ears, spill it
Please tell.
The sad part is moneyball has ruined baseball. Players are one dimensional. Pitcher’s try to throw 102 and are gassed after 20 pitches. Batters are only concerned about launch angles and home runs. Where have the Paul Molitor’s, Tony Gwinn’s and George Brett’s gone? Baseball is boring because analytics have made it boring.
Buy runs or to limit runs.
This is the issue the NFL and NBA have right now
I don't even like baseball but I have watched Moneyball three times already
That's because Moneyball is not really about baseball. It's about the superiority of data and reasoning over myths and rituals. What Billy Beane and Paul DePodesta did with the A's can be applied to healthcare, social work, reforestation, you name it. I've re-read the book enough times to quote parts of it verbatim, annoying my wife to no end in the process.
It's kinda sad watching this now, knowing that the A's are leaving Oakland
I’m a huge baseball fan and absolutely love this movie.
Yeah mom I can do full time college and play in the MLB. No big deal
Yeah I dont think it was fine with his mom
Unfortunately, analytics has turned baseball into a game of walks, strikeouts, home runs, and over-shifts where "third basemen" are sometimes positioned in shallow right field. The game has almost become unrecognizable.
While Jonny Damon wins a World Series for the Boston.red sox
This is SDS after they nerfed Live Series trout circa summer 2022
Education is important. What if a major league baseball got injured early in their career. Are they still guarantee the baseball money?
For baseball fans, is any of this still used today or did they basically just get back to doing things traditionally?
DePodesta turned America's past time into something that most people don't want to watch anymore. Analytics have basically ruined the game at the MLB level. Every pitcher throws a 98 mph fastball and the umpires call way to many strikes. Then you have the newly adopted reply that only makes games longer and longer. I predict that in 20 years NHL hockey will overtake MLB baseball.
That’s why he should’ve played in college and then the bigs.
Well his logic is working so well in the NFL. 🤷♀️
if only more corporate managers would listen to outside the box thinkers.