She must bore them to death by using Corruptor pirouettes. They literally flew circles for 20 minutes this game until they took the absolutely worst fight they could. 😏
@@jonsolo32 Lol, that was by far the best fight scarlett was gonna get all game. Splitting some of the army off, pushing them into a corner, the archons being occupied with broodlings for half the fight. If that fight would've gone more astreas way, the corruptors would've been dead in about 2 sec by archon splash.
I usually root for Zergs, Scarlett especially, but Astrea absolutely needs to be commended for holding on long enough for Scarlett to exhaust all her possible pathes to victory.
I committed the cardinal sin of reading the comments while just starting up the video. For a moment I thought I was spoiled, but then I was happy when I heard that you speak only the truth!
It's refreshing to see a protoss player who actually plays the lategame decently. I'm sure a serral would've still dismantled astrea there, but the concept of how to play protoss in lategame is shown spectactuarly by astrea here. And also why zerg technically will never win a lategame vs protoss, bc of 15-range tempests - but that also means toss can make no mistakes.
you know how people split marines, and then zerg players split banes to compensate. Scarlet never split the corruptors. There were so many of them, that's all she needed to do, was realy, properly spread them out. cos there was so much splash damage. but her numbers were so high... just spread them out x.x
40:00 if she could have micro'd the corruptors into a 180 degree semicircle around that protoss air army, the storms wouldnt help much. This is the difference between SC1 and SC2. In SC1 you'd see that kind of micro and tactical advantage. In SC2, even with top level players, they just dont quite think in non-blob ways.
Was wondering if concaving was a thing, I'm unfamiliar to the game but about 10-12 years back when I was watching SC2 more the micro and spread of units seemed more entertaining
That's just not true. If the corruptors spread out more, astrea would've cast more storms and the corruptors would've been less good at focusing targets. That's why you usually move them in a blob, to have them all ready to shoot at the same time. In a direct fight, the corruptors will not win vs 3-4 storms and 2 archons. No way.
The point of "pulling the boys" in an attack is to soak up damage with unneeded workers, in order to keep the main army alive a little longer and get an edge.
Back around the year 2,000 people used to always ask me and StarCraft one are you Korean. It took me years to figure out why they were asking that.I thought maybe my name? Nope it was because I was kicking the s*** out of them. My name Djongo then and now.
why oh why do I keep hoping for Scarlett to win vs Protoss... she had everything to win! her late game ZvP is like losing a boxing match to a punching bag....
with protoss being the weakest competitive race atm, an almost 200 supply tier 3 army comp late game skytoss was always known to be more powerful than the other race counterparts. It just that it rarely ever happens, and most pros are not used to that scenario at the highest level (not counting gm ladder games). Scarlett has a good ZvP record, just not too many times against an army like that. Its incredibly difficult for zerg to take that fight head on especially when drone count so low and nowehere left to mine to take trades
I watched a lot of starcraft videos from a lot of youtubers but you winter make it so interesting. I quit watching others. And I wait with pleasure for you to realise a new video. I wish you all the best. And heath so you can bring us good videos. I really like when there are tense sotuations you bring up so interesting comments, I don't know where you get them from. You should chnage ypur name to whicher starcraft. I m glued to the screen beacouse of you. Nice job. Keep it up. Salut from România
When you cancel a hatchery, it leaves behind a tiny amount of creep as kinda a bug/unintended consequence. You can tumor off of that before it goes away, if you're fast
20+ minutes of pure fuckin' around in this game. neither of them appeared to have a gd clue how to close out a late game edit, still watching, passing 30 minutes of fuckin' around
very frustrating to see Scarlett throw all the corruptors at the protoss ball in a clump, wouldn't she have won in an outright battle if she spread them out more to negate storms? oh well
Why can't Scralett split her curroptors into like 4 control groups and attack from a wide array of angles? You can storm one single pocket of 60 corruptors...but if you do groups of 15 and come from different dirrections, hard to storm all of them and the broodlords, and the zerglings, etc etc
I have to say I love your commentary and these players but that really was a snooze fest for the last 20-30 minutes. So frustrating seeing the micro difference between Scarlett and the top Korean and Euro Zerg players - that mass corrupter with no splits and head on rushes in clumps, and no queens to transfuse, was brutal to watch. Especially after watching your Dark vs Classic cast right before this. I kept hoping for a Scarlett miracle (probably would have taken an Astrea mega blunder) as it stretched on and Scarlett kept losing the war of attrition, but no, it ended exactly as the last half’s play would lead you to expect. Ahh well, Winter you made this game as interesting as you possibly could at least!
I had already liked and have been subscribed for a long time now but he said like and subscribe with such great confidence and cadence that it inspired me to press those buttons again 🫡
SCarlett Should of won that fight... literally 5 seconds earlier protoss made a mistake, move path was over a grey space corner so hte archons got ahead of the flying units, archons range is 3 I htink, so allows the coruptors to then hit in teh grey air space... The corruptors hsould be put into groups of what you plan on attacking is ot one shot +1. tempests is 22? I think... so... should could of popped 3 tempests at a time.... but her engagemetn is hit and miss, and needs ot save atleast 5 brood lords in her base, the air needs ot manuevar ina way wher ethe corruptors wont be hit by archons ever... thus atleast 3 groups for the corruptors.. brood lords don't need their own group, there size make a double click good.. but coudl help to hit archons from a back placement of a grey zone... so.... grey (zone is a position in which only flight is available) Scarlett made some errors... During her building charge owuld of been the best leap forward attack.. having three groups and boxing could of helped a bit, the lsser range is annyoing.. I think burrow and drones.. and the resources were grea,t but picking off your opponenets base pieces shoudl be a priorty and she constantly gave initiaitive ot protoss... her fleet is faster... so piss on a few pylons in a second its down and hte ntake out al lthe buidligns and fly away... of course we see everything, so its al ittle unfair... She did lose lots of creep.. pretty good game, bit of fumbles like some derpign with some good ideas, just execution was not on par... interesting game... SOme peopel might hate me, but I woudl prefer hydras and vipers.. at the 8k mark... she should take the initive and circum navigate the army and go straight for protoss production and hten have a heavy engagnement for atotal instant rebuild.. and possible second strike, this allows you to limit hte product and warp in and get a recall back.. and some good trades... during the warp in.... and can retreat.. at a total loss position as you ahve speed... and then re group.... forcing the enemy ot rebuild those areas.. which sometimes the recall back... and yourforward movement.. can allow hte re spawned new army ot take otu hte front base also as they might be slow ot respond to the front line as they rebuild production, allowing you to take more of hte base, but his si onyl ina equal scanrion of cap. So since there is no money cap... its a bit different. and allows zerg, to bascialyl sledge hammer into the enemy position... priorty should be clenaing out the mid area allowing for surrounds easier/ or flanks.. neuro parasite is great... would 10 infestors atleast been good? possibly... its great ot have them shred units.. yo una do a udnerground mass Q up behind your army, so when you come in... and attack slightly mid to bakc lien targets the infestors sawmr and grab control of the front line targets, this hten in turn allows you to use their front line units as fodder.... and its also a good time to bring in teh buildings behidn such a attack and maybe evne force a recall. stranding all the neuro parasited units... in your cluthces to then self mutilate to death with zerg carnage. lol
I am having a better day because of you, Winter! Thank you for being you and bringing a little bit of joy to the world with your commentary! 😁
What an insanely patient and methodical approach by Astrea. Scarlett looked like she was just about able to corner him and that bank was insane.
hey
Honor the truth.
36:27 Astrea really hated that one changeling in particular.
😂😂 a bit of an overkill right there
Pretty sure he deserved it
Winter commentary would make me watch a black screen and make it entertaining and funny ❤
13:17 got a like out of me, lol.
Seriously... I don't even play SC2 lol. I'm just here for his commentary.
@@onisixx SC2 is like golf and sex, you don't have to be good at it to enjoy it...
@@snoopstp4189 well that tool a turn lol
It's rare that I see Scarlett's Attrition strategy turned against her.
Just seemed to have really bad 'group all army movements' going on with the attacks to be honest.
24:34 _AND A PARTRIDGE IN A PEAR TREEEEEE_ 🎵🎵
I find it funny that astrea regularly beats Scarlett, but Scarlett more often beats opponents that tend to crush astrea.
She must bore them to death by using Corruptor pirouettes. They literally flew circles for 20 minutes this game until they took the absolutely worst fight they could. 😏
@@jonsolo32 Lol, that was by far the best fight scarlett was gonna get all game. Splitting some of the army off, pushing them into a corner, the archons being occupied with broodlings for half the fight. If that fight would've gone more astreas way, the corruptors would've been dead in about 2 sec by archon splash.
LOL - Prima strat guide takes me back brother - had the guide for SC1 - great content, ty Winter
I usually root for Zergs, Scarlett especially, but Astrea absolutely needs to be commended for holding on long enough for Scarlett to exhaust all her possible pathes to victory.
I love the variety and micro of Scarlett's army
I haven't played starcraft in years but i still watch winterstarcraft commentary because its really entertaining to watch
Finally, we'll see a North American Win a game!
😅
😂😂❤
I committed the cardinal sin of reading the comments while just starting up the video. For a moment I thought I was spoiled, but then I was happy when I heard that you speak only the truth!
😂
been watching sc2 for ages and have never seen that 15:05 Greater Spire animation :D
It's refreshing to see a protoss player who actually plays the lategame decently. I'm sure a serral would've still dismantled astrea there, but the concept of how to play protoss in lategame is shown spectactuarly by astrea here. And also why zerg technically will never win a lategame vs protoss, bc of 15-range tempests - but that also means toss can make no mistakes.
What zerg building would get the fleet beacon/fusion core tune, spire, ultralisk den?
That was quite awesome to watch. Really interesting mix of static and dynamic.
Scarlett games are so fun to watch! All other games seem to always be turtling
you know how people split marines, and then zerg players split banes to compensate. Scarlet never split the corruptors. There were so many of them, that's all she needed to do, was realy, properly spread them out. cos there was so much splash damage. but her numbers were so high... just spread them out x.x
Zerg needs an energy-negating spell
Protoss - Feedback
Terran - Emp
Zerg - ????
Well if you are playing Astrea, we got the changeling lol
Infestor: Is neural parasite a joke to you?
40:00 if she could have micro'd the corruptors into a 180 degree semicircle around that protoss air army, the storms wouldnt help much.
This is the difference between SC1 and SC2. In SC1 you'd see that kind of micro and tactical advantage.
In SC2, even with top level players, they just dont quite think in non-blob ways.
Was wondering if concaving was a thing, I'm unfamiliar to the game but about 10-12 years back when I was watching SC2 more the micro and spread of units seemed more entertaining
@@hadongan Its a thing. Generally attacking into a concave will lose you the fight, as you'd expect.
That's just not true. If the corruptors spread out more, astrea would've cast more storms and the corruptors would've been less good at focusing targets. That's why you usually move them in a blob, to have them all ready to shoot at the same time.
In a direct fight, the corruptors will not win vs 3-4 storms and 2 archons. No way.
The Fist of Neeb,. the Talon of Scarlett? Claw of Scarlett? Scary Zerg Appendage Of Scarlett?
Winterstarcraft is the G.O.A.T 🔥🔥🔥
Actually, yes, I think you have the best emotional commentary of starcraft II
Man I minimized like 10 times to leave a like throughout this video, hilarious commentary
2 Archons, a high templar, an immortal and a dark templar walk into a bar...
The bartender looks at them and says, "what is this, some kind of a joke?"
The AVENGEERSSS
My God.... USE YOUR CORRUPTORS ALREADY.
39:45 "what is this ragtag band?... diversity quota of templar" bro 😂 fucking love your videos
Wow what a match, that was awesome to watch!
you are the highest concentration of good content
The point of "pulling the boys" in an attack is to soak up damage with unneeded workers, in order to keep the main army alive a little longer and get an edge.
Awesome game!!!! Credit for Astrea for being patiently wait for the right moment
"this entire cast is one game."
Sir this video is 53 minutes long. Wtf am i walking into?
49:40 Why is it that Astrea doesn't surround the zerglings and kill them when they pop from stasis?
Winter is the only person I'll like a video when he asks me.
select workers and attack, 3 clicks. have cannons attack each worker, 30 clicks.
This was the best and the most intense mach ive ever seen wow.
Can always go back and Watch Seral vs Maru. Those two are always exciting for me, and i don't even play this game fr. I just find it so entertaining.
did u just say "congress of corruptors..." ^^?
Winter, i luv u
haha thats a good point about killing your own units vs throwing them at your opponents base only to die minutes later.
Winter > Lowko.
I know their good friends I still prefer Winters commentary than any other.
I wud of had half the map fil.ed wit sunkens? Can some answer my qestion
The protoss have too much area damage for the late game. The Death Ball is real.
the necessary amount of micro it takes to use skytoss vs defending skytoss feels disproportonate, though i am a lowly plat
,ings and no queen ignore the sky and rK3 thir base quiker does dat work?
Behold! The Brown Armada
Am I the only one who caught the stasis in the wall? Protoss door! Hero look!
I've always been curious, what are the cards the show up for each player? Which game are they from?
I think Winter makes them, but they are appropriated from Hearthstone.
is it possible to play the game mode with AI , the one where you control the same base
merch idea , tshirts with Brendaaaa and other queens having their usual talk off the creep :P xD
Battlegroup mentioned 😏
What a great game! Thanks Winter :)
man, that like and subscribe request had such authority to it, im already subbed, but i just had to leave a like.
every game im telling to myself that storm is the best spell ingame, and it just shows that its true
Winter: I don't see these players as cheesy
Rogue: oh really? 😢
Scarlett: 😂😂😂
Do PGM know the overlord can generate creep ?
Back around the year 2,000 people used to always ask me and StarCraft one are you Korean. It took me years to figure out why they were asking that.I thought maybe my name? Nope it was because I was kicking the s*** out of them. My name Djongo then and now.
Thoselings are alive
Sinking all the gas into corruptors
🧐
where could i find your collector player cards? i would like to buy them.
great replay,
Very intense match!
That DBD reference tho
Oh Canada 🇨🇦 vs USA 🇺🇸
why oh why do I keep hoping for Scarlett to win vs Protoss... she had everything to win! her late game ZvP is like losing a boxing match to a punching bag....
with protoss being the weakest competitive race atm, an almost 200 supply tier 3 army comp late game skytoss was always known to be more powerful than the other race counterparts. It just that it rarely ever happens, and most pros are not used to that scenario at the highest level (not counting gm ladder games). Scarlett has a good ZvP record, just not too many times against an army like that. Its incredibly difficult for zerg to take that fight head on especially when drone count so low and nowehere left to mine to take trades
@@raptorate2872 oh yes... Protoss OP, Protoss IMBA... never heard that one before
@@netghosta He literally said that protoss is the weakest competitive race.
I watched a lot of starcraft videos from a lot of youtubers but you winter make it so interesting. I quit watching others. And I wait with pleasure for you to realise a new video. I wish you all the best. And heath so you can bring us good videos. I really like when there are tense sotuations you bring up so interesting comments, I don't know where you get them from. You should chnage ypur name to whicher starcraft. I m glued to the screen beacouse of you. Nice job. Keep it up. Salut from România
What a great game :)
Great game
I absolutely suck at the game.......however seeing the difference between these two and what Serral does is absolutely shocking.
yup pretty shit
LFGGG YOUR VIDEOS ARE THE BEST
How could Scarlett do the build in 4:40. Where did the creep-spread come from? I don't understand.
There is exactly 1 building zerg can build off of creep. Its a hatchery, and winter literally has it selected at that timestamp.
Omg ofcourse, I'm stupid haha! Thanks for answering. I must test this on my friends hehehe. @@wilshireanasurimbor3068
When you cancel a hatchery, it leaves behind a tiny amount of creep as kinda a bug/unintended consequence. You can tumor off of that before it goes away, if you're fast
@@wilshireanasurimbor3068extractors also. Could possibly argue nydus exits too.
@@atrtsh Definitely! I completely forgot about those. Maybe creep is underground and tumors/hatches just bring it to the surface :D .
Welcome back ;)
Thank You
Om nom nom
Scarlet is amazing! I love his micro
20+ minutes of pure fuckin' around in this game. neither of them appeared to have a gd clue how to close out a late game
edit, still watching, passing 30 minutes of fuckin' around
very frustrating to see Scarlett throw all the corruptors at the protoss ball in a clump, wouldn't she have won in an outright battle if she spread them out more to negate storms? oh well
ngl it would be p sick if they actually got the hearthstone card buffs that you assign to them lol
JOLLY GOOD GAME! :p
both played to passive, an all in at one point would have, even with losses, broken the stale mate
Lol, I don't know but I swear the music sounded like Ogrimmar or the Barrens or something Horde WoW related. Not bad, just an ear wig. :D
Broodlords are so nerfed it's not playable in the late game
dude killing probes with canons takes a lot of clicking , you dotn have time for that
zerospace? you mean starcraft one and a half
♥️♠️... Я серрала аперкотом нокаутировал. Потом спицы вытащил из ног...
Dronesare heavy
Nice
Go Scarlett!
Why can't Scralett split her curroptors into like 4 control groups and attack from a wide array of angles? You can storm one single pocket of 60 corruptors...but if you do groups of 15 and come from different dirrections, hard to storm all of them and the broodlords, and the zerglings, etc etc
I have to say I love your commentary and these players but that really was a snooze fest for the last 20-30 minutes. So frustrating seeing the micro difference between Scarlett and the top Korean and Euro Zerg players - that mass corrupter with no splits and head on rushes in clumps, and no queens to transfuse, was brutal to watch. Especially after watching your Dark vs Classic cast right before this. I kept hoping for a Scarlett miracle (probably would have taken an Astrea mega blunder) as it stretched on and Scarlett kept losing the war of attrition, but no, it ended exactly as the last half’s play would lead you to expect. Ahh well, Winter you made this game as interesting as you possibly could at least!
Astrea pick is superior to the cokroaches
noice
All u need was to spend currupters
I had already liked and have been subscribed for a long time now but he said like and subscribe with such great confidence and cadence that it inspired me to press those buttons again 🫡
SCarlett Should of won that fight... literally 5 seconds earlier protoss made a mistake, move path was over a grey space corner so hte archons got ahead of the flying units, archons range is 3 I htink, so allows the coruptors to then hit in teh grey air space... The corruptors hsould be put into groups of what you plan on attacking is ot one shot +1. tempests is 22? I think... so... should could of popped 3 tempests at a time.... but her engagemetn is hit and miss, and needs ot save atleast 5 brood lords in her base, the air needs ot manuevar ina way wher ethe corruptors wont be hit by archons ever... thus atleast 3 groups for the corruptors.. brood lords don't need their own group, there size make a double click good.. but coudl help to hit archons from a back placement of a grey zone... so.... grey (zone is a position in which only flight is available)
Scarlett made some errors... During her building charge owuld of been the best leap forward attack.. having three groups and boxing could of helped a bit, the lsser range is annyoing.. I think burrow and drones.. and the resources were grea,t but picking off your opponenets base pieces shoudl be a priorty and she constantly gave initiaitive ot protoss... her fleet is faster... so piss on a few pylons in a second its down and hte ntake out al lthe buidligns and fly away... of course we see everything, so its al ittle unfair...
She did lose lots of creep.. pretty good game, bit of fumbles like some derpign with some good ideas, just execution was not on par... interesting game... SOme peopel might hate me, but I woudl prefer hydras and vipers..
at the 8k mark... she should take the initive and circum navigate the army and go straight for protoss production and hten have a heavy engagnement for atotal instant rebuild.. and possible second strike, this allows you to limit hte product and warp in and get a recall back.. and some good trades... during the warp in.... and can retreat.. at a total loss position as you ahve speed... and then re group.... forcing the enemy ot rebuild those areas.. which sometimes the recall back... and yourforward movement.. can allow hte re spawned new army ot take otu hte front base also as they might be slow ot respond to the front line as they rebuild production, allowing you to take more of hte base, but his si onyl ina equal scanrion of cap. So since there is no money cap... its a bit different. and allows zerg, to bascialyl sledge hammer into the enemy position... priorty should be clenaing out the mid area allowing for surrounds easier/ or flanks.. neuro parasite is great... would 10 infestors atleast been good? possibly... its great ot have them shred units.. yo una do a udnerground mass Q up behind your army, so when you come in... and attack slightly mid to bakc lien targets the infestors sawmr and grab control of the front line targets, this hten in turn allows you to use their front line units as fodder.... and its also a good time to bring in teh buildings behidn such a attack and maybe evne force a recall. stranding all the neuro parasited units... in your cluthces to then self mutilate to death with zerg carnage. lol
So close unlucky scarlett
Minerals
Big army takess smaller sc0uts allday
Whenurbrome
W hen u hane more materials u win how lwt it 2 wave army
Faster
that was wayyy harder for the protoss no doubt... full on protoss destroying zerg is the best.
Probes got russia
Queen elizabeth eat food motherboards ttry ai food