@@SteveTheGhazaRoosterIt will all balance out no matter what. Nature always does. It's not like humans will go extinct. The difficulty is figuring out how we as individuals will get through this and how we'll minimize the damage.
@TheGreenKnight500 I wouldn't be so sure. We haven't had this capacity for damage ever before in history. I'm not saying we will go extinct, I doubt it. But it's not something to rule out. I just mean I hope all these issues we are seeing will be minimized in the coming decades after they play out. They could play out another way and make more problems then we can solve. Time will tell.
I expect pro-natalist and pro-family making policies to become a new political talking piece. I also expect LGBTQ to decline in popularity within the next decades as traditional family making and pro-natalism are seen to be needed to save society.
"What we have seen is, the highest level of indulgence that a person can access is the removal of personal responsibility, and that is achieved through self-victimization." - Malcolm Collins That was nothing short of brilliant
the best way to completely shed responsibility is to Off oneself... if there is a completely painless way to do it, i wonder how many people would do it LOL
This may be true but overall I feel like people still need to be very responsible on a individual level but if the banks goverment or really big corporations make mistakes they are rewarded with free money to start again.
We have 6 kids and are a smaller family at our TLM church. All the larger traditional families I know have migrated to the same church over the years. The Traditional Latin Mass is the anchor for the community of people I'm a part of. It is funny....we all joke that pre-arranged marriage might not be a bad thing, because we all know our kids will at least have a chance at finding a spouse that is grounded in sanity.
Yes but it also means 4chan terminology is getting stale and trite. Like how the hell are pepes and wojaks still the main meme there 8 years later (although I know it's because of their versatility but still). New memes need to be made and new terms need to be coined.
@@Liam-iv7wk because in reality our western societies are stagnant whilst the rest of the world is already in deep crisis. People still think we have an overpopulation problem when O talk to them about this. They simply do not connect the dots it seems. I don't know, to me all of this seems hopeless. In uni people are oblivious about this, even professors. All the while I can go into the inner cities over here and I see with my very own eyes that my culture is already dissolving, most people I see there are non-natives, the youth is partly waking up and their own parents think they are nuts, people are nihilistic, nothing seems of worth to them, everybody is on the phone all the time and schools are going to shit too.
Oh, Ben Shapiro hates me. He says I am a nerd that people should not listen to .... haha I keep trying to reach out to him though. I think he only likes buff conservative's
@SimoneandMalcolm aww, I'm sure Ben doesn't hate you... he just has a hard time expressing his feelings. Anyway, great job on the pod, you seem like an on the ball guy who knows he has something important to share. Where's a good place to get more?
I like the example you used with obesity. I am in 45th percentile at this moment and still considered modestly overweight according to BMI. Working on it. Lost over 80 pounds so far. Brain is coming along nicely too. We gotta become MUCH better than normal
BMI is a bad metric to use for an individual. It was intended for seeing developments in entire populations. On a personal level BMI says nothing and will give you false confidence or false worry.
Ya, this is Malcolm and we, Simone and I, talk a lot about what is really making people so obese these days in some of our content. There is a great graph that shows sugar consomption rising in line with obesity raites and then about 10 years ago sugar consumption starts to crash but obesity rates keep groing unabated. This was facinating to me
I looked up Malcolm's age out of curiosity, and it turns out he's 36. That's about 10-15 years older than I would've guessed. Malcolm looks just like Scott The Woz.
There is a definite trend of younger people looking younger for longer, it's not just the change in perspective from aging. Look at the pictures of 20 somethings from the past, and compare over time, it's pretty dramatic even over the last 100 years, or even 20. Those ww2 kids look like 40 year olds today.
The "urban monoculture" needs a constant supply of children from childbearing families on the conservative side. That will create some very disturbing issues we already are beginning to see today
That’s been pretty much the case throughout all of history. Cities have never supported themselves with their own population, and always relied on immigrants from rural areas.
Yes, Malcolm here, we talk about htis all the time. The conflict of our age is a parasitic urban monculture and an aliance of cultures whos children it is feasting on.
My husband and I “discovered” a resource that provides a small pool of families who have shared values and are financially stable. Private religious school. Our family has attended both Catholic and Protestant oriented schools. Both are very good.
I am divorced with one daughter. I got custody of her. I am 40 years old. I decided to go to the phillipines. I found the woman of my dreams. Very grateful and hardworking. We are both Christian and that’s what we focus on.
Y'all mentioned us Latter-day Saints. Thought it was a good point that we, like everyone, are still struggling with some of this cultural stuff. It's mostly dating with people my age, and economic security for couples who could have more children. The important thing though is that pretty much everyone who is an active member of our church does want kids, many of more than two. I'm confident that we'll be alright, and this is only considering our church members in North America, let alone abroad.
"I need people from my kids to marry" Yes! My husband and I are trying to get into networks and communities of other like-minded parents for this reason. We have 2 girls and 5 boys (Don't know the sex of new baby). We're not trying to arrange their marriages just arrange their marriage pool.
We just need the real reason for having kids back in public conciousness and discussion. And its not to maintain societies or economies, its not social status, or your biological legacy, its not molding them to be better than you, or someone to take care of you. The real reason, is in the unselfish act of sacrifice to bring them, the joy felt in loving them unconditionally, in being there for them for anything, there is no greater joy, than to love in this way, and for most it is the clearest path to unconditional love. No amount of pleasure seeking, material gain, love gained, or recognition, will ever compare to the effect on your sense of meaning and happiness.
Nah I want kids to transmit my genes to the future - and so do you. Your reproductive instinct is the product of evolution, not some ahistorical nonbiological saintly compassion.
Well, some people do get all those amazing things from children. Unfortunately, good luck having everyone get it. What are you going to do when promoting birth just means more Andrea Yates and Casey Anthony?
Population collapse due to low fertility is unprecedented in human history, at least on this large of a scale. We're going to need to find some sort of solution to this problem, otherwise things could get very bleak. Not saying that everyone needs to have a dozen kids, that'd also be unsustainable, but we'll need to get back to replacement level, or at least close enough so that the decline is a slow, manageable one rather than a sharp, exponential collapse.
Good maybe we’ll have more job opportunities because of this. Honestly there is too many people around. You seen traffic in any major city? It’s absolutely horrendous. There are too many people
I doubt he has many living children. I say this peculiarly because him and his wife have gone through tons of IVF selecting for the most eugenic offspring, chucking all the others away. In the interview they had with Vice, they had what looked like only 2
The more I indulge in all the issues that will be plaguing humanity in the coming years, the less hopeful I am we’ll pull through. There’s too much going on, too many systems at play, and far too much complexity for any one person to wrap there heads around and still be confident that humans will be ok. At the very least we can’t stop what’s coming. That ship has sailed. In my mind all we can do is try and slow down devastation and try and adapt to what’s coming.
Only 5.65k subscribers? Excellent. Keep it that way. As soon as information this valid and valuable becomes widely distributed, it will become a choir of "Oh I was aware of X issue many years ago" despite no work actually being done to resolve the issues. Rudyard, there's an excellent book you've probably already read called SnowCrash by Neal Stephenson, which has many different future collapse and post-consumerism scenarios play out but the idea that is related to what you are talking about here is the plot device of a language meta virus, which is an enokian phrase that is uttered from person to person that rewires neural pathways. Richard Dawkins has famously quoted that Religion could similarly be a language meta virus that rewires the brain and dulls critical thinking.
Me being a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (Mormon) listening to this being glad about what Rudyard said whilst also thinking the same thing for the entire first part of the video. And that isn’t even getting started on some of the beliefs of the church that are similar to this and kind of could see this coming.
Yeah I’m LDS too and it’s crazy to see how much we’re living in the last days. The lack of children in the end times was prophesied back in the 1800’s.
I’m sure it was. Yeah it’s incredible to see. This is probably the most interesting period of history, and I’m sure the scale of the last days will increase by several thousands in the next century (if it continues that long)
I keep wondering when this problem will get to the point where it bursts into the public consciousness and people start trying to figure out how to reverse it. It staggers me that almost no one in the public sphere is even *talking* about this.
passport bros are getting close. the gamergate 2 crisis with fbi and dhs starting to monitor all online game chat. Men cant be allowed to speak to each other or play games anymore.. gotta quit gaming and reproduce to keep the system stable...
The problem is also that there are large political groups that are advocating in FAVOR of this Depending on how radical the activist they want the degrowth or even to revert back to a pre-Industrial economy. And there are grifters who see this as a path to power. (Don't get me started on the underlying communist side of this as well) When Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six novel came out, the villains were considered fever dream level caricatures (and that's before considering what their plans were) Now? Not so much.
One thing often not thought about is that population collapse and birth rate decline are not attributed to any one factor and it wont be enough to solve just one of them. You'll see better results alleviating every cause a little bit than going all in on one focus or strategy. This is why I really hate the political debate on the issue when there is one because it only ever focuses on which one particular thing is the root cause and needs to be addressed and this is before we even talk about the feasibility of it. However an all encompassing strategy doesn't make for good political headlines.
Malcom's Question at 43:30 "The can't be that stupid actually?" was the best belly laugh I've had for a long time. My experience through life through making my own mistakes and looking at others is a resounding YES. Multiple reason for this. short term thinking, lack of understanding of consequences or unintended consequences, extreme selfishness and no care factor.
Thomas Sowell said that everyone moves through the income ladder throughout their lives. It's the same in relationships, people find a way no matter what ideology.
Race does matter actually and saying that is in no way immoral, I care about my family members more than strangers and people of my race more than people who aren't. The thought of muslims colonizing Europe disgusts me to my core and I would die fighting against something like that.
Question. If all of Europe converted to Islam, and all of the Arab world converted to Christianity, would you still care more? And which Race? The Europeans are all mutts because of the law of conquest, same as everywhere else. Race is the most empty of categories, as it offers not value in and of itself. Rather, values are assigned to race due to correlation rather than causation.
We need to fight and we will, their are tons of healthy white Christian families growing, it's the degenerate leftists who are dying off. We are going to have to clean up the mess they have made for us however.
We got the floor for decades, but in the past couple (winter) decades it got pretty bad in the US. Society must improve, not just so there are kids but that they have a world to live in, and are healthy. Consumerism is cancer...
I've always struggled with pro-natalism. I love to get outdoors and have been so frustrated by the overcrowding of the wilderness and then the resulting rules/permits/etc that governments put in place to make access to the woods harder. I get so frustrated dealing with traffic and then watching the urban monoculture invade smaller towns and gentrify/"hipsterify" them. I have seen the statistics though and am well versed in geography and there's no denying population collapse if coming our way and we have absolutely nothing in place to handle it. It's a weird conflict of interest between by desire for the prosperity of humanity and my desire to be able to get out into the woods, be by myself, and not stress out about permits. It's weird to think that depoplation is going to be such an issue when overpopulation is right in my face. But it really is a short versus long term thing. I think the pro-natalism movement is important for this long term reason even if it seems so crazy in the short term. I also think that space exploration is very important. This present an opportunity very long term to either escape overpopulation or create a new society to ensure the survival of your "group" whatever that may be.
Part of me wonders whether industrial civilization is sustainable in the long term, not just because of the finite nature of resources like oil, coal and iron, but due to the demographic issues that come with industrialization and urbanization. Are we bound to revert to preindustrial agriculture after a massive demographic collapse, where all we have left of the current world are the tales of immense wealth and the decadence that came with it? I hope not, but as a certain bald podcaster would say, it's entirely possible.
Resources aren’t exactly finite. There’s a whole galaxy and beyond to expand into. Empty asteroids to mine. The people that write that off are no different to the people centuries ago in the old world that scoffed at the idea of exploring the americas(the new world)
Degrowth is a Marxist death cult, but we can have automated industrial centers where very few people live, with most others living in low density areas having things delivered to them. And the "mind accumulator" effect of urban areas can be replaced by the Internet.
Except you failed understand that we have the internet and we have computer and machine technology. The world no longer needs billions of people to grow food and dig up resources. There will be two classes The intelligent peaceful creative class and then robots that perform manual labour.
Have you read Ted Kaczinsky's manifesto? He speaks of this very problem. And he was scary accurate about technology. I don't agree with how he went about his solution, but he was a smart dude and knew technology would end up killing us.
@@smileygladhands I haven't read the manifesto, but from what I've heard of Uncle Ted he seems to have been quite accurate in his assessment. As you said, though, mailing out bombs isn't the solution (if there even is one).
I would also want to contribute there is no economic inventive to have children. People do love kids and many want them however historically kids have economically contributed to a family by farming or during the early industrial era working in factories. Children also used to be expected to take care of their parents when their parents became old. nowadays children are an economic burden and are unlikely to support you when you're unable to produce yourself as the government is now expected to.
This was a great hour and very interesting because it puts the real doom right in front of us. As a student of history this is the reverse of the four horsemen. Sadly this will get real bad for the world.
Did my part 3 girls 10 and under. You young bucks need to get with it. Kids are what make life worth living. You dont find the mother of your future of babies at the bar or on tinder.
9:44 Liberal Democracy has plenty of upsides, but one of its key flaws is that, due to the next election always being right around the corner, both leadership and the public are always thinking in the short term. Issues like demographics can't be addressed because any politician who, say, attempts to raise the retirement age will be voted out.
Societal cohesiveness seems like it would fix this issue. We’re constantly at war with eachother. Half the population essentially despises the other and has completely contradictory views. We are at a stand still from solving any of these massive problems while we bicker about things like should transvestites be allowed in public schools or whatnot. The sad part the obvious answer is no and the fact that it was even a question is concerning. But the other half of the population is fighting tooth and nail to make sure it happens.
Indeed. Also, good luck getting the corporations to address this, too. The people at the top think of how they can inflate their golden parachute and then get away.
@@isolatedbutjacked7036even places without western cultural battles have the same problems. The birth rate is low in china and Russia and they not liberal democracies and even then both putin and Xi have tried to increase the retirement age and eventually gave up because the public hated it so much. Even in autocracies the public can force what they want if they are big enough and determined enough to achieve a specific goal.
Hungary has its issues, but It has good government subsidies for families. Until 2022, you could get around 25k+25k=50 000 USD interest free loan which becomes a subsidy after your third baby. This is the reason why many young people have kids here. As a reference, a house in a town would cost around 80-100k USD in 2023. Previously, it was around 60k USD in 2020.
Subsidies for having children are tried in a lot of countries, but in most countries they usually have little to no effect. I think this shows that while money is part of the reason, it isn't the main reason. I think the main reason is the time commitment modern jobs require due to modern work culture, and the lack of the traditional familial support structures that have went away for most people in the last 40 years. At least in the US, in the vast majority of jobs if you aren't will to prioritize your job over everything else including your family and kids then you will get fired. And you can't just move to a better job that will let you prioritize them, because there are so few jobs like that and they require specific skills most don't have, so they basically don't exist for the vast majority of people. Who are the people who are having tons of kids in the US today in the urban mono-culture they were talking about? It's the welfare people who live entirely off of welfare and just keep pumping out more kids. They don't have a job to be fired from. Where as if a normal person had that many kids, they'd either have to neglect them as they don't actually have enough time to raise them, or they could chose to actually spend the time to raise them and get fired and have to become one of those welfare people. So they either have to throw away everything and be relegated to the most poor bottom class of society to have kids, or they don't have kids and aren't 'forced' to live in relative poverty. I know personally that if I tried to have kids and actually spend the time to properly raise them and not just leave the TV or Tiktok raise them for me that I wouldn't be able to meet the commitments my job requires, and I would get fired. So having kids isn't really an option if I don't want to be one of those welfare people. And the issue can't be sidestepped because families have become so atomized that once you're 18 your family might as well stop existing because they can't help or don't want to help you with anything, including watching your kids for the 50% or more time you won't be able to meet your commitment as a parent. Usually because they don't have the time to be able to help you because of their jobs. It's why when my parents got put in jail when I was a kid, my adult sister and her husband had to put me in the foster home instead of adopting me. They literally didn't have the time to be able to raise me if they wanted to keep their jobs. Maybe a stay-at-home mother would solve the issue, but again, unless you happen to be in the upper percentile of workers who make over $100,000, then you would be resigning you and your family to poverty. Most households nowadays have both parents working because if the mother quit her job they would sink into poverty. Edit: Damn. I commented in the middle of the video. Now I'm at the end and Malcom is basically making the same point I with his 'economically infeasible' section at about 59:00. Now I feel smart.
@@liarwithagunNo woman with brain will quit her job make babies and herself vulnerable depending on any fucking man. Whatever he is called - husband or not husband. Doesn’t matter Try to hammer it into your head. And start thinking from this point. You are welcome.
I wonder what if with life extension we get youth extention. Will people go through the "finding my self before settling down" phase longer causing another fertility crisis? Or will they get to build wealth allowing them to start a family? I guess will see.
I think we will see both but if we see fertility windows extend for women it will be better but not ideal. However if we extend both youth and fertility long enough you may see double generations. A woman gets married and has 2 children in her 20s and 30s and early 40s. Gets bored/ lonely after a childless decade and her and her husband have 2 more children in their 50s and 60s. If 50 can be the new 30 and 60 the new 40 then I could see that being helpful to the birthrate
The way I see it, those who don't get baby rabies early will be selected out of the gene pool. Those people would be out of the futre gene pool and there would be a rebound. I say this because of Jolly Heretic's "All that she wants" video.
I appreciate the discussion on dating. I'm in a bit of a dilemma in my life. I'm 20 and I've got practically no friends and still a virgin. I want to convert to Christianity as I think it will make me happier and cope with this fact easier but the only thing putting me off at the moment is a partner. Findng "the one" seems unrealistic for at least a few years and I don't want to wait until I'm 30 to lose my virginity. Any advice from someone older and wiser would be appreciated.
Don't convert to pentecostal, it's tempting to have a more modern church but every self respecting christian man I know that tried it ended up leaving, it's a cult. As a man your life starts at 30, your brain won't even be fully developed for another 5 years. Life is a marathon, loneliness sucks and is painful but don't make rash decisions. work on becoming someone worth loving, until then.. God loves you.
Mouse utopia is a predator-limited species, not a prey-limited species. The important lesson is not to remove predators. As humans are apex predators this is of little importance. A better species to study would be ants - specifically pastoral ants that farm aphids for their food, which mirrors pastoral human farming of livestock food animals.
I hope the Indigenous Peoples of the Americas can have high birth rates and large numbers of children per family one day, hopefully soon for some of them at least like the Metis and Mapuche....
Mouse Utopia is a lot of stew made out of a very questionable bean. 25 Mouse Utopias were attempted, only one was published. The unpublished material makes it abundantly clear that the first 24 did NOT yield the kind of results so often cited. Since publication, lots of others have built Mouse Utopias using the same starting materials, and NOT ONE has gotten the results that made Calhoun famous. Current thinking is that the results were NOT due to overpopulation or “societal collapse” but to malnutrition (MU25 was the only version to receive that particular type of feed) or inbreeding (far from the “sixty breeding pairs” so often cited, Calhoun actually used four pairs, each a member of the same lab-specialized monoculture strain. Tests with field mice randomly selected showed no tendency toward population sink). Everyone cites Mouse Utopia, but it’s scientific reliability is highly sus. Remember that everyone also cited Piltdown man-until it was finally debunked.
There were a few times where the guest speaker cut out and something important was said that the audience didn’t get to hear. It would be awesome if you stopped your speaker and made them go back and repeat what they said over the last 10 seconds or so. So annoying
As I say, Woke left (progressive) is not the same as Communism. Trust me I have family in Venezuela, and real communism is different. I never seen Bernie Sanders that saying the government has to expropriated all business. But I highly disagree with his policy and I don't think that it will be good for the US if adopt it, massive burden on tax payer and huge government debt. But modern progressivism is different, they are more like the hippies, I heard that Joseph Stalin read the Frankfurt School and Gramisci and hated it and said that this had to stay in the west, homosexuality is banned in communist country and you go to GULAG for being gay. Not a communist, I think this Ideology just brought death and misery. But if you compare the progressive to the communist is comparing the Protestant Christians to Catholic, or Shiite and Sunnis Muslims, they are similar but different.
From the perspective of an American, who has not lived in under a Communist controlled government, I think when I, and many others with similar world view and experience, see these similarities to Communism, (especially considering the heavy propaganda, that molded our worldview) we see a very slippery downhill cliff, following very close to anything Woke-Left and Progressive. There are many things dangerous and destructive in the Woke Ideology, in and of itself, and that is enough to get our guard up. But because something possibly far more dangerous, and culturally woven into our generational psyche, is running along that same path, many of us look at Woke-ism, and consider it so precariously close to Communism, that a single slip of the footing could bring us quickly to the bottom of that dark mire, we just end up using shorthand.
Honestly I think we kinda need this. This high a population is making us cogs in a machine. You can see this mindset almost everywhere. A rapid decline would probably help us retain the human soul that made us special in the first place
@@ChimChim-di6jzWe are pretty dang special if you stop and think about the context by which we are communicating Invisible radio signals, sent thru space to a handleheld supercomputer more complex than the NASA supercomputers made less than 60 years ago. And this is just one cog of a massive worldwide network of satellites, that's right, stuff in SPACE that we use to have conversations just like this Our hubris is very well founded, in fact, I think that is our best quality. Our persistent ego drives us to greatness, but right now, we are killing our soul in pursuit of greater and greater power, and we need a couple centuries to step back and remember our spiritual needs alongside the needs of our planet
My big fear with all of this is that we have one chance. The entire world is built on oil - it'd be great to transition away, but even the things that build the renewables are built on oil/coal. Well we've already mined all of the easily accessible coal, oil and natural gas. It took fossil fuels to kickstart us. If society collapses to the point that we cannot mine difficult to reach fossil fuels - which require massive inputs and technical competency from all over the world - we cannot start again. The fuel will be gone, and we will not be able to start again.
Who has the name of the book whatifalt talked about at some point in the pod? He referenced it's about American Alexander the Great in the future. I don't want to rewatch an hour pod to find a 3 second clip. Thank you!
2023 is the year when awareness of population collapse broke through. This will have consequences.
I'm still somewhat hopeful that everything will eventually balance out. It's good that things will change, the world is begging for it.
@@SteveTheGhazaRoosterIt will all balance out no matter what. Nature always does. It's not like humans will go extinct. The difficulty is figuring out how we as individuals will get through this and how we'll minimize the damage.
@TheGreenKnight500 I wouldn't be so sure. We haven't had this capacity for damage ever before in history. I'm not saying we will go extinct, I doubt it. But it's not something to rule out. I just mean I hope all these issues we are seeing will be minimized in the coming decades after they play out. They could play out another way and make more problems then we can solve. Time will tell.
I expect pro-natalist and pro-family making policies to become a new political talking piece. I also expect LGBTQ to decline in popularity within the next decades as traditional family making and pro-natalism are seen to be needed to save society.
@@quinnjohnson9750 I hope you're right, but I wouldn't bet on it.
"What we have seen is, the highest level of indulgence that a person can access is the removal of personal responsibility, and that is achieved through self-victimization."
- Malcolm Collins
That was nothing short of brilliant
Exactly! Had to take a moment to appreciate how well thought out it was aswell as how much that made sense in today’s world.
That was an analysis I had never seen before. I also appreciated Rudyard's analysis that this is the feminine ideal and hedonism was masculine ideal.
Thanks! That was me talking.
Did not know this had gone live until I saw it in my you tube suggested video playlist.
the best way to completely shed responsibility is to Off oneself...
if there is a completely painless way to do it,
i wonder how many people would do it LOL
This may be true but overall I feel like people still need to be very responsible on a individual level but if the banks goverment or really big corporations make mistakes they are rewarded with free money to start again.
I’m a Traditional Catholic who is doing my part.. God Bless everyone and good luck!
Not in muslim contry
We have 6 kids and are a smaller family at our TLM church. All the larger traditional families I know have migrated to the same church over the years. The Traditional Latin Mass is the anchor for the community of people I'm a part of. It is funny....we all joke that pre-arranged marriage might not be a bad thing, because we all know our kids will at least have a chance at finding a spouse that is grounded in sanity.
You know you're in strange times when "Cringe" and "Based" are being used in intellectual discussions.
don't forget memes!
Yes but it also means 4chan terminology is getting stale and trite. Like how the hell are pepes and wojaks still the main meme there 8 years later (although I know it's because of their versatility but still). New memes need to be made and new terms need to be coined.
@dontcallthemliberals3316: Memetics originated in intellectual discussions as early as 1976 (The Selfish Gene - Richard Dawkins).
@@Liam-iv7wk because in reality our western societies are stagnant whilst the rest of the world is already in deep crisis. People still think we have an overpopulation problem when O talk to them about this. They simply do not connect the dots it seems. I don't know, to me all of this seems hopeless. In uni people are oblivious about this, even professors. All the while I can go into the inner cities over here and I see with my very own eyes that my culture is already dissolving, most people I see there are non-natives, the youth is partly waking up and their own parents think they are nuts, people are nihilistic, nothing seems of worth to them, everybody is on the phone all the time and schools are going to shit too.
langue evolves goofy, 100 years ago people used different words, 200 years ago, etc
One of the most intellectually stimulating hours I've ever experienced. 👍👍
Hi, its Malcolm
Thanks for these kind words!
Malcolm talks so fast even Ben Shapiro might not be able to keep up.
I'd love to hear a heated debate between the two, absolutely no one would be able to tell what was being said.
@@TheMoopMonster
It would sound like the chipmunks
Ngl I watched the whole video in 1.25x and some in 1.5x
Oh, Ben Shapiro hates me. He says I am a nerd that people should not listen to .... haha
I keep trying to reach out to him though. I think he only likes buff conservative's
@SimoneandMalcolm aww, I'm sure Ben doesn't hate you... he just has a hard time expressing his feelings. Anyway, great job on the pod, you seem like an on the ball guy who knows he has something important to share. Where's a good place to get more?
I like the example you used with obesity. I am in 45th percentile at this moment and still considered modestly overweight according to BMI. Working on it. Lost over 80 pounds so far. Brain is coming along nicely too. We gotta become MUCH better than normal
Great work, lad. You are determined and ready to work on yourself and exactly what our society needs at the moment
BMI is a bad metric to use for an individual. It was intended for seeing developments in entire populations.
On a personal level BMI says nothing and will give you false confidence or false worry.
How did you let yourself get so disgusting? I am 10# overweight and it's driving me crazy.
Ya, this is Malcolm and we, Simone and I, talk a lot about what is really making people so obese these days in some of our content. There is a great graph that shows sugar consomption rising in line with obesity raites and then about 10 years ago sugar consumption starts to crash but obesity rates keep groing unabated. This was facinating to me
@@SimoneandMalcolmSeed oils and high fructose corn syrup are the real cause.
I looked up Malcolm's age out of curiosity, and it turns out he's 36. That's about 10-15 years older than I would've guessed. Malcolm looks just like Scott The Woz.
He's aging Asian style.
He takes his vitamins
There is a definite trend of younger people looking younger for longer, it's not just the change in perspective from aging. Look at the pictures of 20 somethings from the past, and compare over time, it's pretty dramatic even over the last 100 years, or even 20. Those ww2 kids look like 40 year olds today.
@@TheMoopMonster true. Lack of testosterone perhaps? Vsauce did a video about this topic.
@sunfyre9370 haha, he doesn't look old to me, it's still a spectrum, but the spectrum moves towards looking younger.
"We didn't plan for the future we stole it 😬" Boomer generation circa 2023
"OK millennial." 😋
I am willing to do whatever I can to support this guest. My guess is he’s exactly correct with almost everything he says.
My wife is native American. We are single handedly going to fix their birth rate.
Pumping out those Mestizo babies, I see.
She’s not American. Her people would have called it something else.
The "urban monoculture" needs a constant supply of children from childbearing families on the conservative side. That will create some very disturbing issues we already are beginning to see today
That’s been pretty much the case throughout all of history. Cities have never supported themselves with their own population, and always relied on immigrants from rural areas.
It's going to get much more aggressive once depopulation enters the public consciousness. Its already pretty aggressive on streaming platforms.
Yes, Malcolm here, we talk about htis all the time. The conflict of our age is a parasitic urban monculture and an aliance of cultures whos children it is feasting on.
@@SimoneandMalcolm Thanks for the excellent insight!
This makes me think of Singapore and the IQ shredder effect.
My husband and I “discovered” a resource that provides a small pool of families who have shared values and are financially stable. Private religious school. Our family has attended both Catholic and Protestant oriented schools. Both are very good.
What a great video. Can’t believe I’m just now getting over to checking this channel.
I am divorced with one daughter. I got custody of her. I am 40 years old. I decided to go to the phillipines. I found the woman of my dreams. Very grateful and hardworking. We are both Christian and that’s what we focus on.
The quality of this discussion is mind blowing.
This was such an AWESOME interview! Thank you to everyone involved 🙏
Y'all mentioned us Latter-day Saints. Thought it was a good point that we, like everyone, are still struggling with some of this cultural stuff. It's mostly dating with people my age, and economic security for couples who could have more children.
The important thing though is that pretty much everyone who is an active member of our church does want kids, many of more than two.
I'm confident that we'll be alright, and this is only considering our church members in North America, let alone abroad.
The LDS fertility rates are dropping really really fast though.
"I need people from my kids to marry" Yes! My husband and I are trying to get into networks and communities of other like-minded parents for this reason. We have 2 girls and 5 boys (Don't know the sex of new baby). We're not trying to arrange their marriages just arrange their marriage pool.
We just need the real reason for having kids back in public conciousness and discussion. And its not to maintain societies or economies, its not social status, or your biological legacy, its not molding them to be better than you, or someone to take care of you. The real reason, is in the unselfish act of sacrifice to bring them, the joy felt in loving them unconditionally, in being there for them for anything, there is no greater joy, than to love in this way, and for most it is the clearest path to unconditional love. No amount of pleasure seeking, material gain, love gained, or recognition, will ever compare to the effect on your sense of meaning and happiness.
Nah
I want kids to transmit my genes to the future - and so do you. Your reproductive instinct is the product of evolution, not some ahistorical nonbiological saintly compassion.
I just needed someone that will have a chance to beat me in a kungfu match.
Well, some people do get all those amazing things from children. Unfortunately, good luck having everyone get it. What are you going to do when promoting birth just means more Andrea Yates and Casey Anthony?
This is the first time I've watched Common Ground. Been a whatif viewer for a while. Really enjoyed this podcast! Subbed.
This was the best common ground podcast. I didn't like some of the previous ones.
Discovered this channel today, this is like Christmas
Wow. Thank you for bringing this discussion to the public. As a society our priorities are screwed up and we need to talk about these things.
Great conversation! Thanks for having it!
Population collapse due to low fertility is unprecedented in human history, at least on this large of a scale. We're going to need to find some sort of solution to this problem, otherwise things could get very bleak. Not saying that everyone needs to have a dozen kids, that'd also be unsustainable, but we'll need to get back to replacement level, or at least close enough so that the decline is a slow, manageable one rather than a sharp, exponential collapse.
It happened in Rome
Good maybe we’ll have more job opportunities because of this. Honestly there is too many people around. You seen traffic in any major city? It’s absolutely horrendous. There are too many people
@@isolatedbutjacked7036 There'll be less jobs too due to less demand, unless you want to work at a nursing home.
@@gabingston3430 hm didn’t consider this. I’m probably completely wrong but it just feels like there is way too many fucking people.
@@isolatedbutjacked7036In the US the majority of places have actually lost population while the major cities have swollen with more and more people.
Guys, this was a wonderful podcast
Great episode! Malcolm stands in my mind as your most well spoken guest so far.
Malcolm here, thanks!
38:15 This man is trying to consciously start his own tribe. Honestly that's impressive.
I doubt he has many living children.
I say this peculiarly because him and his wife have gone through tons of IVF selecting for the most eugenic offspring, chucking all the others away.
In the interview they had with Vice, they had what looked like only 2
Sounds like Abraham and the Israelites. I think there’s always something to learn from the Jews
@@ethank.3201 4000 years of history is something to learn from yes
@@buddermonger20003200 years, really
The more I indulge in all the issues that will be plaguing humanity in the coming years, the less hopeful I am we’ll pull through.
There’s too much going on, too many systems at play, and far too much complexity for any one person to wrap there heads around and still be confident that humans will be ok.
At the very least we can’t stop what’s coming. That ship has sailed. In my mind all we can do is try and slow down devastation and try and adapt to what’s coming.
incredible video, I love it and am now a Malcolm Collins fan.
This was clear to me in 2006 while everyone laughed about me.
Malcolm Collins is Amazing holy shit.
Only 5.65k subscribers?
Excellent. Keep it that way. As soon as information this valid and valuable becomes widely distributed, it will become a choir of "Oh I was aware of X issue many years ago" despite no work actually being done to resolve the issues.
Rudyard, there's an excellent book you've probably already read called SnowCrash by Neal Stephenson, which has many different future collapse and post-consumerism scenarios play out but the idea that is related to what you are talking about here is the plot device of a language meta virus, which is an enokian phrase that is uttered from person to person that rewires neural pathways.
Richard Dawkins has famously quoted that Religion could similarly be a language meta virus that rewires the brain and dulls critical thinking.
It’s not because of prosperity per se. It’s because the more prosperous a society, the more burdensome and controlling the government is.
Me being a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (Mormon) listening to this being glad about what Rudyard said whilst also thinking the same thing for the entire first part of the video. And that isn’t even getting started on some of the beliefs of the church that are similar to this and kind of could see this coming.
There probably will be a talk on starting more families this general conference 😅
Yeah lol
Yeah I’m LDS too and it’s crazy to see how much we’re living in the last days. The lack of children in the end times was prophesied back in the 1800’s.
I’m sure it was. Yeah it’s incredible to see. This is probably the most interesting period of history, and I’m sure the scale of the last days will increase by several thousands in the next century (if it continues that long)
This was an excellent episode. I still hate the intro beeps but that's ok. I cannot wait for the next. Please keep making them, people are coming.
Cool to see Malcolm Collins on here.
Thanks!
I keep wondering when this problem will get to the point where it bursts into the public consciousness and people start trying to figure out how to reverse it. It staggers me that almost no one in the public sphere is even *talking* about this.
passport bros are getting close. the gamergate 2 crisis with fbi and dhs starting to monitor all online game chat. Men cant be allowed to speak to each other or play games anymore.. gotta quit gaming and reproduce to keep the system stable...
The problem is also that there are large political groups that are advocating in FAVOR of this
Depending on how radical the activist they want the degrowth or even to revert back to a pre-Industrial economy. And there are grifters who see this as a path to power. (Don't get me started on the underlying communist side of this as well)
When Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six novel came out, the villains were considered fever dream level caricatures (and that's before considering what their plans were)
Now? Not so much.
The irony is that a reversion to a pre industrial economy would raise birth rates, as subsistence farmers would need more people to work on the farm.
Yes they do and it's baffling. Like can we put these people on a space rocket to Mars and then they can have an empty planet just like they wanted.
I love how the self identified past lefty in the room had no idea what 'endocrine disrupters' are.
Haha, ya, we talk about endocrine disrupter's a lot on our channel
I don't know them exactly. I just called them "Those gay frog chemicals that Alex Jones screamed about."
JJ McCullough, SFO, and Kraut would be great guests
And Sargon, or one his lads.
Just don’t mention the knockout study about big nagger size, if you’re bringing kraut. Oh and trouts, don’t mention trouts.
And Peter Zeihan.
I could even see Endeavour or Morgoths Review, but they might rate a little low in agreeableness. At least for this channel.
@@Zyzyx442 don't mention axes or splitting wood either
One thing often not thought about is that population collapse and birth rate decline are not attributed to any one factor and it wont be enough to solve just one of them. You'll see better results alleviating every cause a little bit than going all in on one focus or strategy.
This is why I really hate the political debate on the issue when there is one because it only ever focuses on which one particular thing is the root cause and needs to be addressed and this is before we even talk about the feasibility of it. However an all encompassing strategy doesn't make for good political headlines.
Quality is better than quantity.
Quality of the remaining population is more important.
What you would probably consider low quality are breeding more
My country went from a fertility rate of 2.3 to 1.9 in 3 years 💀, that took Europe like decades and my country did it in 3 years 💀💀💀💀💀
Where are you from?
My brother in Christ. You have been affected by endocrine disrupters.
Malcolm is such a calvinist. Good luck to him and I hope he stays the hell away from me.
Malcom's Question at 43:30 "The can't be that stupid actually?" was the best belly laugh I've had for a long time. My experience through life through making my own mistakes and looking at others is a resounding YES. Multiple reason for this. short term thinking, lack of understanding of consequences or unintended consequences, extreme selfishness and no care factor.
One of the best guests. Talks very fast tho.
Thomas Sowell said that everyone moves through the income ladder throughout their lives. It's the same in relationships, people find a way no matter what ideology.
yea except the "Income Ladder" broke and collapsed some 20 years ago
That doesn't mean the ideology doesn't change how fast things happen...
Too bad the system decided to pull up the ladder after climbing it.
It's good to see your face fellow historian
This was a great episode
Good stuff. I’m throwing away all my condoms for the sake of humanity 🤣
Incredible discussion
Wow, some of my favorite RUclipsrs on the same stream. Awesome!
Race does matter actually and saying that is in no way immoral, I care about my family members more than strangers and people of my race more than people who aren't. The thought of muslims colonizing Europe disgusts me to my core and I would die fighting against something like that.
Exactly.
Question. If all of Europe converted to Islam, and all of the Arab world converted to Christianity, would you still care more? And which Race? The Europeans are all mutts because of the law of conquest, same as everywhere else. Race is the most empty of categories, as it offers not value in and of itself. Rather, values are assigned to race due to correlation rather than causation.
I am Asian but based take
Obviously
We need to fight and we will, their are tons of healthy white Christian families growing, it's the degenerate leftists who are dying off. We are going to have to clean up the mess they have made for us however.
We got the floor for decades, but in the past couple (winter) decades it got pretty bad in the US. Society must improve, not just so there are kids but that they have a world to live in, and are healthy. Consumerism is cancer...
Appears the mormons and muslims, and amish will inherit the planet
I've always struggled with pro-natalism. I love to get outdoors and have been so frustrated by the overcrowding of the wilderness and then the resulting rules/permits/etc that governments put in place to make access to the woods harder. I get so frustrated dealing with traffic and then watching the urban monoculture invade smaller towns and gentrify/"hipsterify" them. I have seen the statistics though and am well versed in geography and there's no denying population collapse if coming our way and we have absolutely nothing in place to handle it. It's a weird conflict of interest between by desire for the prosperity of humanity and my desire to be able to get out into the woods, be by myself, and not stress out about permits. It's weird to think that depoplation is going to be such an issue when overpopulation is right in my face. But it really is a short versus long term thing. I think the pro-natalism movement is important for this long term reason even if it seems so crazy in the short term. I also think that space exploration is very important. This present an opportunity very long term to either escape overpopulation or create a new society to ensure the survival of your "group" whatever that may be.
I joke about encouraging pronatalism among geniuses, and having the Idiocracy go extinct.
That won’t happen sorry
Part of me wonders whether industrial civilization is sustainable in the long term, not just because of the finite nature of resources like oil, coal and iron, but due to the demographic issues that come with industrialization and urbanization. Are we bound to revert to preindustrial agriculture after a massive demographic collapse, where all we have left of the current world are the tales of immense wealth and the decadence that came with it? I hope not, but as a certain bald podcaster would say, it's entirely possible.
Resources aren’t exactly finite. There’s a whole galaxy and beyond to expand into. Empty asteroids to mine. The people that write that off are no different to the people centuries ago in the old world that scoffed at the idea of exploring the americas(the new world)
Degrowth is a Marxist death cult, but we can have automated industrial centers where very few people live, with most others living in low density areas having things delivered to them. And the "mind accumulator" effect of urban areas can be replaced by the Internet.
Except you failed understand that we have the internet and we have computer and machine technology. The world no longer needs billions of people to grow food and dig up resources. There will be two classes The intelligent peaceful creative class and then robots that perform manual labour.
Have you read Ted Kaczinsky's manifesto? He speaks of this very problem. And he was scary accurate about technology. I don't agree with how he went about his solution, but he was a smart dude and knew technology would end up killing us.
@@smileygladhands I haven't read the manifesto, but from what I've heard of Uncle Ted he seems to have been quite accurate in his assessment. As you said, though, mailing out bombs isn't the solution (if there even is one).
I would also want to contribute there is no economic inventive to have children. People do love kids and many want them however historically kids have economically contributed to a family by farming or during the early industrial era working in factories. Children also used to be expected to take care of their parents when their parents became old. nowadays children are an economic burden and are unlikely to support you when you're unable to produce yourself as the government is now expected to.
It's sad how alot of people are on high amounts of copeium and will act like your raining on their parade if you point out the problems of our society
Sure cool meeting of the minds!
Omg this is amazing
Very interesting video, maith sibh! 👍
This was a great hour and very interesting because it puts the real doom right in front of us. As a student of history this is the reverse of the four horsemen. Sadly this will get real bad for the world.
Did my part 3 girls 10 and under. You young bucks need to get with it. Kids are what make life worth living. You dont find the mother of your future of babies at the bar or on tinder.
2008 royally fucked my life, and I do feel a victim, how was I responsible for that?
I swear, the people might as well say "Use the gaslight effect on yourself."
9:44 Liberal Democracy has plenty of upsides, but one of its key flaws is that, due to the next election always being right around the corner, both leadership and the public are always thinking in the short term. Issues like demographics can't be addressed because any politician who, say, attempts to raise the retirement age will be voted out.
Societal cohesiveness seems like it would fix this issue. We’re constantly at war with eachother. Half the population essentially despises the other and has completely contradictory views. We are at a stand still from solving any of these massive problems while we bicker about things like should transvestites be allowed in public schools or whatnot.
The sad part the obvious answer is no and the fact that it was even a question is concerning.
But the other half of the population is fighting tooth and nail to make sure it happens.
Liberal democracies where a mistake
Indeed. Also, good luck getting the corporations to address this, too. The people at the top think of how they can inflate their golden parachute and then get away.
@@isolatedbutjacked7036even places without western cultural battles have the same problems. The birth rate is low in china and Russia and they not liberal democracies and even then both putin and Xi have tried to increase the retirement age and eventually gave up because the public hated it so much. Even in autocracies the public can force what they want if they are big enough and determined enough to achieve a specific goal.
@@sirsurnamethefirstofhisnam7986
Because life sucks for chinese and russians. Most of them anyway
“…Or I can go to kava”. 😂 Dave is a legend
Unconditional right to stop our own life whenever we want medically my body my choice
6:36 As if they hadn't already been endlessly f**ked over in the last 500 years.
Hungary has its issues, but It has good government subsidies for families. Until 2022, you could get around 25k+25k=50 000 USD interest free loan which becomes a subsidy after your third baby. This is the reason why many young people have kids here. As a reference, a house in a town would cost around 80-100k USD in 2023. Previously, it was around 60k USD in 2020.
Subsidies for having children are tried in a lot of countries, but in most countries they usually have little to no effect. I think this shows that while money is part of the reason, it isn't the main reason. I think the main reason is the time commitment modern jobs require due to modern work culture, and the lack of the traditional familial support structures that have went away for most people in the last 40 years.
At least in the US, in the vast majority of jobs if you aren't will to prioritize your job over everything else including your family and kids then you will get fired. And you can't just move to a better job that will let you prioritize them, because there are so few jobs like that and they require specific skills most don't have, so they basically don't exist for the vast majority of people.
Who are the people who are having tons of kids in the US today in the urban mono-culture they were talking about? It's the welfare people who live entirely off of welfare and just keep pumping out more kids. They don't have a job to be fired from. Where as if a normal person had that many kids, they'd either have to neglect them as they don't actually have enough time to raise them, or they could chose to actually spend the time to raise them and get fired and have to become one of those welfare people.
So they either have to throw away everything and be relegated to the most poor bottom class of society to have kids, or they don't have kids and aren't 'forced' to live in relative poverty. I know personally that if I tried to have kids and actually spend the time to properly raise them and not just leave the TV or Tiktok raise them for me that I wouldn't be able to meet the commitments my job requires, and I would get fired. So having kids isn't really an option if I don't want to be one of those welfare people.
And the issue can't be sidestepped because families have become so atomized that once you're 18 your family might as well stop existing because they can't help or don't want to help you with anything, including watching your kids for the 50% or more time you won't be able to meet your commitment as a parent. Usually because they don't have the time to be able to help you because of their jobs. It's why when my parents got put in jail when I was a kid, my adult sister and her husband had to put me in the foster home instead of adopting me. They literally didn't have the time to be able to raise me if they wanted to keep their jobs.
Maybe a stay-at-home mother would solve the issue, but again, unless you happen to be in the upper percentile of workers who make over $100,000, then you would be resigning you and your family to poverty. Most households nowadays have both parents working because if the mother quit her job they would sink into poverty.
Edit: Damn. I commented in the middle of the video. Now I'm at the end and Malcom is basically making the same point I with his 'economically infeasible' section at about 59:00. Now I feel smart.
@@liarwithagunNo woman with brain will quit her job make babies and herself vulnerable depending on any fucking man. Whatever he is called - husband or not husband. Doesn’t matter Try to hammer it into your head. And start thinking from this point. You are welcome.
government subsidies are never good
There! I'm subscribed as per request on "The Coming Population Crash"
Damn, 5 minutes in, this is great
This is some real sh**
Takes me back to the youtube of the late 2010's
I wonder what if with life extension we get youth extention. Will people go through the "finding my self before settling down" phase longer causing another fertility crisis? Or will they get to build wealth allowing them to start a family? I guess will see.
The problem is we cannot override millions of years of evolution, as much as we like to think we can
@dylangtech that's fair we're a long way off from doc brown back to the future youth treatment
I think we will see both but if we see fertility windows extend for women it will be better but not ideal. However if we extend both youth and fertility long enough you may see double generations. A woman gets married and has 2 children in her 20s and 30s and early 40s. Gets bored/ lonely after a childless decade and her and her husband have 2 more children in their 50s and 60s. If 50 can be the new 30 and 60 the new 40 then I could see that being helpful to the birthrate
The way I see it, those who don't get baby rabies early will be selected out of the gene pool. Those people would be out of the futre gene pool and there would be a rebound. I say this because of Jolly Heretic's "All that she wants" video.
That's crazy for every 100 Koreans 6.3 great grandchildren
I appreciate the discussion on dating. I'm in a bit of a dilemma in my life. I'm 20 and I've got practically no friends and still a virgin. I want to convert to Christianity as I think it will make me happier and cope with this fact easier but the only thing putting me off at the moment is a partner. Findng "the one" seems unrealistic for at least a few years and I don't want to wait until I'm 30 to lose my virginity. Any advice from someone older and wiser would be appreciated.
get in shape and find a girl abroad
Work out every 2 days and save your money.
Go talk to strangers everyday, everywhere you go.
Attracting women is a skill set, learn and practice it
Wait till marriage dude, I’m telling you. I wish I did.
Don't convert to pentecostal, it's tempting to have a more modern church but every self respecting christian man I know that tried it ended up leaving, it's a cult. As a man your life starts at 30, your brain won't even be fully developed for another 5 years. Life is a marathon, loneliness sucks and is painful but don't make rash decisions. work on becoming someone worth loving, until then.. God loves you.
Mouse utopia is a predator-limited species, not a prey-limited species.
The important lesson is not to remove predators.
As humans are apex predators this is of little importance. A better species to study would be ants - specifically pastoral ants that farm aphids for their food, which mirrors pastoral human farming of livestock food animals.
Look up GWERNs article on that one experiment. I cited it often, but I do no longer think it really tells us much about humans
Great conversation! Here’s a like, sub and comment for the algos :)
I hope the Indigenous Peoples of the Americas can have high birth rates and large numbers of children per family one day, hopefully soon for some of them at least like the Metis and Mapuche....
Everybody’s birth rate is low except africans
Nice podcast !
Yeah same parents went through a divorce
Like climate change there is no will to find a way to solve population collapse .
Would like to see this guy be interviewed on the Fresh and Fit podcast... there is a dovetailing of what he is talking about with the FNF guys discuss
It would be interesting to the replicate mousetopia experiment again in modern times.
Best start believing in mouse utopias. You're in one.
Mouse Utopia is a lot of stew made out of a very questionable bean. 25 Mouse Utopias were attempted, only one was published. The unpublished material makes it abundantly clear that the first 24 did NOT yield the kind of results so often cited.
Since publication, lots of others have built Mouse Utopias using the same starting materials, and NOT ONE has gotten the results that made Calhoun famous. Current thinking is that the results were NOT due to overpopulation or “societal collapse” but to malnutrition (MU25 was the only version to receive that particular type of feed) or inbreeding (far from the “sixty breeding pairs” so often cited, Calhoun actually used four pairs, each a member of the same lab-specialized monoculture strain. Tests with field mice randomly selected showed no tendency toward population sink).
Everyone cites Mouse Utopia, but it’s scientific reliability is highly sus. Remember that everyone also cited Piltdown man-until it was finally debunked.
I dont know how you guys are managing to make each podcast hit harder than the last, but you are doing it.
There were a few times where the guest speaker cut out and something important was said that the audience didn’t get to hear.
It would be awesome if you stopped your speaker and made them go back and repeat what they said over the last 10 seconds or so. So annoying
Help. I can't slow him down enough to listen. Slow down.
The pilpul about diversity at the end was very well placed, good job jew
As I say, Woke left (progressive) is not the same as Communism. Trust me I have family in Venezuela, and real communism is different. I never seen Bernie Sanders that saying the government has to expropriated all business. But I highly disagree with his policy and I don't think that it will be good for the US if adopt it, massive burden on tax payer and huge government debt. But modern progressivism is different, they are more like the hippies, I heard that Joseph Stalin read the Frankfurt School and Gramisci and hated it and said that this had to stay in the west, homosexuality is banned in communist country and you go to GULAG for being gay. Not a communist, I think this Ideology just brought death and misery. But if you compare the progressive to the communist is comparing the Protestant Christians to Catholic, or Shiite and Sunnis Muslims, they are similar but different.
From the perspective of an American, who has not lived in under a Communist controlled government, I think when I, and many others with similar world view and experience, see these similarities to Communism, (especially considering the heavy propaganda, that molded our worldview) we see a very slippery downhill cliff, following very close to anything Woke-Left and Progressive. There are many things dangerous and destructive in the Woke Ideology, in and of itself, and that is enough to get our guard up. But because something possibly far more dangerous, and culturally woven into our generational psyche, is running along that same path, many of us look at Woke-ism, and consider it so precariously close to Communism, that a single slip of the footing could bring us quickly to the bottom of that dark mire, we just end up using shorthand.
If we are on the Titanic then I’m gonna pull a Charles Joughin.
This is a tragedy. How can TAKE we ever VVAHMENS fix this RIGHTS mess and AWAY increase the fertility rate before population collapse?
Honestly I think we kinda need this. This high a population is making us cogs in a machine. You can see this mindset almost everywhere. A rapid decline would probably help us retain the human soul that made us special in the first place
@@ChimChim-di6jzWe are pretty dang special if you stop and think about the context by which we are communicating
Invisible radio signals, sent thru space to a handleheld supercomputer more complex than the NASA supercomputers made less than 60 years ago. And this is just one cog of a massive worldwide network of satellites, that's right, stuff in SPACE that we use to have conversations just like this
Our hubris is very well founded, in fact, I think that is our best quality. Our persistent ego drives us to greatness, but right now, we are killing our soul in pursuit of greater and greater power, and we need a couple centuries to step back and remember our spiritual needs alongside the needs of our planet
@@ChimChim-di6jz Also just fyi, all life is special, including you, so stay strong bro
10:33 This is literally the way for the formation of the house of Saud and Wahab
My big fear with all of this is that we have one chance. The entire world is built on oil - it'd be great to transition away, but even the things that build the renewables are built on oil/coal. Well we've already mined all of the easily accessible coal, oil and natural gas. It took fossil fuels to kickstart us. If society collapses to the point that we cannot mine difficult to reach fossil fuels - which require massive inputs and technical competency from all over the world - we cannot start again. The fuel will be gone, and we will not be able to start again.
life finds a way
Can Malcolm and Rudyard just start their own podcast together? 😂
Homophobia is a positive externality
Who has the name of the book whatifalt talked about at some point in the pod? He referenced it's about American Alexander the Great in the future. I don't want to rewatch an hour pod to find a 3 second clip. Thank you!
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