Glad I wasn't the only one who caught that. Also, it underlines how badly Paramount understands its audience. We nerds are into thing like that. New Trek craps all over that.
@ Indeed. It's like how I guess they have Robert April in that Strange New Worlds show. I've been a Trekkie since I was 3. This is the kind of stuff that should excite the hell out of me, but it doesn't. I don't care if I'm the old man yelling at clouds now. This isn't Star Trek. Lol.
@@JustinHarrisTV I have seen very little Trek in some time. For me the franchise ended with Terra Prime. The 3 Abrahams movies were all different kinds of crap, and not Trek. Everything else I've seen since has been wretched. Picard S3 may be good, but by that point, it was too late to catch my interest. Lower Decks commercials cross my path on Pluto and it reminds me why I gave up.
@@scottmiller1531 Same. I didn't much care for the Kelvin timeline movies. I watched two seasons of Discovery and checked out. Picard S1 was so disappointing that I skipped S2. I did watch S3 and thought it was good enough, but yeah, too much damage had already been done. I just go back to the days of old. Currently rewatching the better stuff, chronologically by air date. Just started S2 of TNG and regardless of people's criticisms of the early seasons, it'll always be heaven to me.
I love Section 31 as an idea. There are so many side characters across the shows that would be great. Garak, Laas, that French that loves to kill, a transporter dupe of Lon Suder off if the top of my head.
I thought mirror Georgiou had to return to either the mirror universe or closer to Pike's time period because she was destabilizing from being too far from her timeline or something? If she's living at the same time as young Rachael Garret, that's still like almost 100 years after Pike?
You should have spoiled it, Alan, and not give a toss about what Paramount thinks. You owe them nothing. What will they do? Not allow advance reviews? And the downside is…..
@@fishjones4618 At the time, I watched all of TNG as it came out in the UK. It couldn't be shown on UK TV until 1990 back then - some weird licensing thing. So the BBC ran it weekly and, later, Sky TV pretty much ran it daily to catch up with the USA. Encounter at Farpoint was fine. As a 13 year old, watching it on rental VHS in 1988 (the only way to see it until 1990) I loved it. It's still a solid pilot episode. Like most pilots there are rough edges, but I've seen far worse. No one thought the first two seasons were 'great': they were very uneven and some episodes felt dated even in 1990. There were some terrific episodes, but many were terrible. In season three, it simply became more consistent and good episodes dominated. There's little I've ever considered unwatchable in seasons one and two. And yes, I'd still choose it over Kurtzman Trek.
@@fishjones4618 Yeah, it's really annoying to be honest. Critiques about the first two seasons are valid because they were finding their footing both in front and behind the camera. But just trashing it? Crazy talk!
@@fishjones4618 The first season of TNG was generally hated, this is not retroactive. I have numerous magazines and books from the time that highlight fan letters complaining about how horrible the show is and how lame Picard and the crew are compared to the original. There are some hilarious angry fan letters in the book "Trek Celebration 2" by James von Hise from 1994. It's actually quite shocking to see how upset and angry fans were in 1988 from the collections of letters in that book considering the massively positive reputation TNG gained not longer after. Season 1 of TNG is baffling and hilariously bad. There are countless awkward choices and mistakes in almost every episode. Picard improperly says "Prepare for Saucer Supper" in the pilot and they didn't even bother to do another take with the proper word. It was a disaster behind the scenes, the actress who played Yareena in Code of Honor had her hand shredded because they built a jungle gym out of explosive neon phosphorous pipes due to improper and sloppy safety checks. The fresh blood brought on for Season 3 jumpstarted and saved a dying show. It's an absolute miracle the show survived to that point. I feel the truth is the other way around, the high quality of later seasons gives addition context for the first season that makes it easier to watch in retrospect.
@ If you watch the documentary Chaos On The Bridge, a behind the scenes look at the first tumultuous seasons of TNG, not only you realize why everything onscreen ended up the way it did, you’ll be astonished that they got the dang show off the ground.
9:09 I agree with Alan 100% that for 'Star Trek: The Next Generation', 'Encounter at Farpoint' was not my favourite episode, was odd, and kind of missed the mark, but I gave the series a chance and as Alan said, it really only picked up by season 3 and then it was in its stride.
6:06 Same thing with Star Trek Insurrection, they show the 'device' going off in the Roman senate so you were invested in the Enterprise stopping it...not that it wasn't without it's flaws, but at least they did that right.
Michelle Yeoh in this role has been hammy to the point of vicarious embarrassment. I didn't see anything in the promotional material that convinces me it's anything different this time. Secret Hideout produced stuff is a hard pass at this point.
I can’t watch this because I don’t know how anyone understands her. Same with Wicked. If I don’t have closed caption on, I can’t understand the accent.
Not at all interested, the woke has killed Start Trek for me. Nothing of Star Trek today is worth watching, after Enterprise was cancelled, Star Trek died. The woke has killed so may things, Star Trek, Star Wars, Ghost Busters, LOTR, Marvel (pretty much all of it, Guardians and Dead Pool seem to be the only thing still worth watching), Dr. Who.... the list goes on and on.
Oh for god's sake... Star Trek has always been woke in one way or another. That isn't the issue. the problem is a souless, share holder driven mentality to milk intellectual properties for profit and to hold on to the rights. ToS had the first Interracial kiss, which could be considered woke. TnG had an episode that featured a non binary alien and a romance plot line with Riker. DS9 tackled racism, homelessness, ptsd, and so many other diverse and controversial topics. To say the woke killed ttek is short sighted and just parroting the usual haters. Trek has fallen soff, hard, but not because of any misinterpreted wokeness.
Every single person I ever see using the word 'woke' is invariably some gobshite who resents us gays, has incelish feelings about women, thinks immigrants Tuk Err Jerbs, or otherwise has odious, resentful feelings.
@@JumpingJack6 You’re a dolt. 1- Star Trek has always been “woke”. 2- Section 31 isn’t “woke” in any way, at all, by any standards. It’s just a terrible film and even worse Star Trek film.
This movie is rotten. There's no defending the movie. But I fail to see how "woke" is the reason - the writing and the plot are abysmal, the actors have poor lines so they ham it up, the whole thing is a mess. That's true regardless of political views. A movie with conservative or "woke" themes will be terrible if the writing is terrible. I can't see anything "leftist" about the Yeoh character (unless just being played by a Chinese woman automatically qualifies? Good luck labeling Yeoh of all people a "DEI hire" with her background and qualifications). If anything this is about the least "woke" Trek I've seen since some of the season one TNG episodes. As others here are pointing out Trek has "woke" in its DNA. Look at the characters of Spock (very Jewish and liberal-woke coded as played by Nimoy and written by DC Fontana) , Uhura, Sulu, a woman for first officer in the original pilot (The Cage), and overall, the way Roddenberry and others involved wanted to celebrate the value of diversity. The show strongly hinted at valuing socialism (debatably, maybe the show hints at communism because a lot of what we see does resemble communism). Trek often bashed capitalism. The Original Series had an episode devoted to worker's rights of miners. Some of the characters it made fun of the hardest were hardcore capitalists. In the fourth movie (the one with whales) there was the classic scene where Kirk talks of not having money in the future. There were episodes that commented on the Vietnam War. And episodes that commented on both individual racism and systemic racism. I have no clue how you could think old Trek lacked "woke" themes. Try telling MLK it wasn't woke, he is the one who talked Nichelle Nichols into staying on as Uhura when she was frustrated with the way her character was written (too few lines of any real interest). Try telling Nichols it isn't woke when she spent decades encouraging women to study the sciences. Try telling George Takei it isn't woke when he talks about representation of Asians on TV and movies.
Strange new worlds is trek looks like trek feels like trek and section 31 is just another crap discovery don't look or feel like any trek and just using the brand name all over again
I strongly disagree with Alan. Even if this movie was created at the same time as DS9, it would still be horrible, and people would still be certain that this isn't Star Trek, it's something else.
"Most enjoyable of current Star Trek" I don't believe that for a second. I guarantee, no matter what your feelings are of it, Lower Decks is more enjoyable than this possibly can be. I consider LD to be a Trek parody, despite the insistence it's canon, but it has moments that genuinely feels like ST, and I haven't watched all of the show. I've even heard ST: Prodigy is actually decent, and even though I haven't watched it I'll bet it's also better than S31. You want good Section 31 material? Watch DS9, period.
Sounds like I'll be passing on this. I dunno... I don't think it's rocket science to work out what is Star Trek and what isn't Star Trek. It's mystifying how current Trek (and various other IP) just don't get it.
There IS a good Trek story to tell with Section 31. I don’t think this is it, BUT I would like to see 31 officials try to reign in Georgia and teach her the principles of the Federation.. while letting her do nasty stuff to protect the Federation. Exploring THAT moral conflict is the heart of Star Trek. Word of mouth is this show doesn’t feel like Trek. If the show is just letting her be evil and seeing our world from her POV.. no thanks. I will watch but I hope my low expectations are wrong.
I lasted 20 mins and I will NEVER watch this crap again !! It’s an affront to Gene Roddenberry and Star Trek !! Total disgrace and hopefully it’s the end of the participation of Secret Hideout with Star Trek.
Star Trek has been dead for a long time. New track has not been good at all. I'm waiting for the reboot in about 10 years time. Paramount plus is lucky they have the rights to champions League soccer or else there is no way I would be subscribing
I love how Chris always tries to trick Alan into going over the list of forbidden items. 🤣🤣
You love it? I find it frigging annoying.
@@thisismyname3928 It's just a funny interaction between friends.
This is the most generous "review" I've seen yet.
They stand on the shoulders of giants, in order to piss on everything.
And take pride in it. And get paid ridiculously well for it. And blame the fans for not appreciating their brilliance.
I saw Better Man on Alan's recommendation, and it was incredible! THX 🙂
Wow! Thanks so much!
That's sweet that they're worried about spoilers for this
I had no idea this was coming out. This sounds terrible.
I am only watching the reviews to get a good laugh .
@ 🤣
and it looks terrible just adding what you missed out and the end lol
Blink twice Ng if Paramount is holding you hostage
That's number 9 on the list of forbidden subjects.
Every single Nu-Trek series plot is "Theres a device capable of destroying the Galaxy and we gotta stop it!" its so stupid
There’s _always_ an Arquillian Battle Cruiser, or a Corillian Death Ray, or an intergalactic plague that is about to wipe out all life...
Rachel Garrett is in this? The Captain of the Enterprise-C? If only I cared enough to watch this.
Glad I wasn't the only one who caught that. Also, it underlines how badly Paramount understands its audience. We nerds are into thing like that. New Trek craps all over that.
@ Indeed. It's like how I guess they have Robert April in that Strange New Worlds show. I've been a Trekkie since I was 3. This is the kind of stuff that should excite the hell out of me, but it doesn't. I don't care if I'm the old man yelling at clouds now. This isn't Star Trek. Lol.
@@JustinHarrisTV I have seen very little Trek in some time. For me the franchise ended with Terra Prime. The 3 Abrahams movies were all different kinds of crap, and not Trek. Everything else I've seen since has been wretched. Picard S3 may be good, but by that point, it was too late to catch my interest. Lower Decks commercials cross my path on Pluto and it reminds me why I gave up.
Yes, she's there so the others can continuously mock Starfleet... Just as Gene envisioned.
@@scottmiller1531 Same. I didn't much care for the Kelvin timeline movies. I watched two seasons of Discovery and checked out. Picard S1 was so disappointing that I skipped S2. I did watch S3 and thought it was good enough, but yeah, too much damage had already been done. I just go back to the days of old. Currently rewatching the better stuff, chronologically by air date. Just started S2 of TNG and regardless of people's criticisms of the early seasons, it'll always be heaven to me.
Rachel Garrett? As in the Enterprise C captain? Having defiled the TOS era they're now going to defile the TNG era.
Oh they did that long time ago with Star Trek Puke-hard.
One of the "writers" googled Star Trek and learned that Rachel Garrett is a thing.
Possibly the best Trek movie this year
"The best of current-day Star Trek." Oh, dear. Damned by faint praise.
Alan knows his Star Trek!
I'm going to re-watch some Hong Kong action movies,to remind myself of how awesome Michelle used to be.
I love Section 31 as an idea. There are so many side characters across the shows that would be great. Garak, Laas, that French that loves to kill, a transporter dupe of Lon Suder off if the top of my head.
Not Even Star Trekish
I thought mirror Georgiou had to return to either the mirror universe or closer to Pike's time period because she was destabilizing from being too far from her timeline or something? If she's living at the same time as young Rachael Garret, that's still like almost 100 years after Pike?
Wibbly wobbly timey wimey.
@@rogerborg In other words: bullshit.
I'm waiting for the crew of galaxy quest to show up
Galaxy Quest and The Orville were more Star Trek than anything between Voyager and Picard S3 and Unification. And yes, I include Enterprise in that.
You should have spoiled it, Alan, and not give a toss about what Paramount thinks. You owe them nothing. What will they do? Not allow advance reviews? And the downside is…..
Gotta keep that access to the media.
@ So, he’s an un-ironic version of RLM’s Nerd Crew like John Campea? “Don’t ask questions. Just consume product. And be excited for next product.”
they should have made the doomsday weapon go off..but because it is from the mirror universe...there is just flowers and confetti
Bigly under-rated comment.
So Star Trek: Suicide Squad
More like Space Journey: Suicide Squad.
“What are we… some kinda Star Trek Suicide Squad?”
Star Trek and Star Wars are in the same coffin. I am a fan of both franchises, and both have been ruined.
It still hurts, because we still care.
This sh!t is D.O.A.
'Encounter at Farpoint' was AWESOME!!!
I hate how so called fans are retroactively hating on the first couple of seasons of TNG. It’s infinitely more watchable than any slime from Kurtzman.
@@fishjones4618 At the time, I watched all of TNG as it came out in the UK. It couldn't be shown on UK TV until 1990 back then - some weird licensing thing. So the BBC ran it weekly and, later, Sky TV pretty much ran it daily to catch up with the USA. Encounter at Farpoint was fine. As a 13 year old, watching it on rental VHS in 1988 (the only way to see it until 1990) I loved it. It's still a solid pilot episode. Like most pilots there are rough edges, but I've seen far worse. No one thought the first two seasons were 'great': they were very uneven and some episodes felt dated even in 1990. There were some terrific episodes, but many were terrible. In season three, it simply became more consistent and good episodes dominated. There's little I've ever considered unwatchable in seasons one and two. And yes, I'd still choose it over Kurtzman Trek.
@@fishjones4618 Yeah, it's really annoying to be honest. Critiques about the first two seasons are valid because they were finding their footing both in front and behind the camera.
But just trashing it? Crazy talk!
@@fishjones4618 The first season of TNG was generally hated, this is not retroactive. I have numerous magazines and books from the time that highlight fan letters complaining about how horrible the show is and how lame Picard and the crew are compared to the original. There are some hilarious angry fan letters in the book "Trek Celebration 2" by James von Hise from 1994. It's actually quite shocking to see how upset and angry fans were in 1988 from the collections of letters in that book considering the massively positive reputation TNG gained not longer after. Season 1 of TNG is baffling and hilariously bad. There are countless awkward choices and mistakes in almost every episode. Picard improperly says "Prepare for Saucer Supper" in the pilot and they didn't even bother to do another take with the proper word. It was a disaster behind the scenes, the actress who played Yareena in Code of Honor had her hand shredded because they built a jungle gym out of explosive neon phosphorous pipes due to improper and sloppy safety checks. The fresh blood brought on for Season 3 jumpstarted and saved a dying show. It's an absolute miracle the show survived to that point. I feel the truth is the other way around, the high quality of later seasons gives addition context for the first season that makes it easier to watch in retrospect.
@ If you watch the documentary Chaos On The Bridge, a behind the scenes look at the first tumultuous seasons of TNG, not only you realize why everything onscreen ended up the way it did, you’ll be astonished that they got the dang show off the ground.
Just watch Star Trek II, III, IV, and VI. Classic Trek movie fun.
The Ferengi were supposed to be scary but turned into comic relief.
9:09 I agree with Alan 100% that for 'Star Trek: The Next Generation', 'Encounter at Farpoint' was not my favourite episode, was odd, and kind of missed the mark, but I gave the series a chance and as Alan said, it really only picked up by season 3 and then it was in its stride.
Yes, the first 2 seasons of TNG are pretty bad but it certainly picked up and should have run for 3 more seasons.
6:06 Same thing with Star Trek Insurrection, they show the 'device' going off in the Roman senate so you were invested in the Enterprise stopping it...not that it wasn't without it's flaws, but at least they did that right.
4:58 - Don't think Mr Gore you got away with pulling a Picard facepalm meme without anyone noticing. We see what you're doing 🙂
Skip long and prosper? ;)
Even with taken ST out of the equation, this is trash of the highest order.
Star Trek: Section 69
I guarantee someone is making that in California already!! 😆
I'm really starting to question Alan's taste. Or, maybe he's just seen so much crap, that when something is Crap Lite, he likes it.
Alan is a _reliable_ reviewer. Consistently bad take are also helpful.
Michelle Yeoh in this role has been hammy to the point of vicarious embarrassment. I didn't see anything in the promotional material that convinces me it's anything different this time. Secret Hideout produced stuff is a hard pass at this point.
Ah, but is she _brat?_
@@rogerborg I know that means something amongst the kids but I'm not interested enough to look up the term.
DS9 already did a Oceans 11 episode. And it was good and fun.
Didn't know Hallmark made bondage movies!
Michelle Yeoh was the only reason to watch Discovery.
I might give her a chance in this despite the reviews.
Guys, this isn’t ’Stream Threat’ it’s Film Threat, maybe another channel would clear that up…😉
Warp 10, engage!
Slapping the product name Star Trek on it doesn't make these show's or movies anymore Star Trek then the Spock Helmet was Star Trek from 1976.
Gotta keep that access to the media, I guess.
Girl bossing across the universe.
Pass.
At least we'll find out why Section 31 went into hiding until DS9...
@@kc0itf Except you don't. It is empty as a film.
IGN gave it a 2/10. You got it right, fraking IGN!
Whoa there, maybe we need to give it a chance then.
@@rogerborg It just means the bribe money ran out.
Star Drek
"Not perfect" has to be the lamest possible thing a reviewer can say about a work.
I can’t watch this because I don’t know how anyone understands her. Same with Wicked. If I don’t have closed caption on, I can’t understand the accent.
I'm glad I don't care about Star Trek anymore, this show sounds terrible.
It manages to not piss you off why destroying classis Trek just enough that one can sorta enjoy the humor, though some dialog is really forced.
《STAR TREK: Folie à Yeoh》
👽 🖖 🤖
DisasTrek.
So, as I predicted but to no one's surprise...more Kurtzman nonsense.
Rachel Garrett was the captain of the enterprise c
Can't they come up with something original
I hate these hacks
Not at all interested, the woke has killed Start Trek for me. Nothing of Star Trek today is worth watching, after Enterprise was cancelled, Star Trek died. The woke has killed so may things, Star Trek, Star Wars, Ghost Busters, LOTR, Marvel (pretty much all of it, Guardians and Dead Pool seem to be the only thing still worth watching), Dr. Who.... the list goes on and on.
Oh for god's sake... Star Trek has always been woke in one way or another. That isn't the issue. the problem is a souless, share holder driven mentality to milk intellectual properties for profit and to hold on to the rights.
ToS had the first Interracial kiss, which could be considered woke.
TnG had an episode that featured a non binary alien and a romance plot line with Riker.
DS9 tackled racism, homelessness, ptsd, and so many other diverse and controversial topics.
To say the woke killed ttek is short sighted and just parroting the usual haters.
Trek has fallen soff, hard, but not because of any misinterpreted wokeness.
Every single person I ever see using the word 'woke' is invariably some gobshite who resents us gays, has incelish feelings about women, thinks immigrants Tuk Err Jerbs, or otherwise has odious, resentful feelings.
@@JumpingJack6 You’re a dolt. 1- Star Trek has always been “woke”. 2- Section 31 isn’t “woke” in any way, at all, by any standards. It’s just a terrible film and even worse Star Trek film.
This movie is rotten. There's no defending the movie. But I fail to see how "woke" is the reason - the writing and the plot are abysmal, the actors have poor lines so they ham it up, the whole thing is a mess. That's true regardless of political views. A movie with conservative or "woke" themes will be terrible if the writing is terrible. I can't see anything "leftist" about the Yeoh character (unless just being played by a Chinese woman automatically qualifies? Good luck labeling Yeoh of all people a "DEI hire" with her background and qualifications). If anything this is about the least "woke" Trek I've seen since some of the season one TNG episodes. As others here are pointing out Trek has "woke" in its DNA. Look at the characters of Spock (very Jewish and liberal-woke coded as played by Nimoy and written by DC Fontana) , Uhura, Sulu, a woman for first officer in the original pilot (The Cage), and overall, the way Roddenberry and others involved wanted to celebrate the value of diversity. The show strongly hinted at valuing socialism (debatably, maybe the show hints at communism because a lot of what we see does resemble communism). Trek often bashed capitalism. The Original Series had an episode devoted to worker's rights of miners. Some of the characters it made fun of the hardest were hardcore capitalists. In the fourth movie (the one with whales) there was the classic scene where Kirk talks of not having money in the future. There were episodes that commented on the Vietnam War. And episodes that commented on both individual racism and systemic racism. I have no clue how you could think old Trek lacked "woke" themes. Try telling MLK it wasn't woke, he is the one who talked Nichelle Nichols into staying on as Uhura when she was frustrated with the way her character was written (too few lines of any real interest). Try telling Nichols it isn't woke when she spent decades encouraging women to study the sciences. Try telling George Takei it isn't woke when he talks about representation of Asians on TV and movies.
So where the hell does Michelle yeoh fit in then?
As the genocidal, cannibalistic protagonist. Hey, get over it, she's brat!
Strange new worlds is trek looks like trek feels like trek and section 31 is just another crap discovery don't look or feel like any trek and just using the brand name all over again
Make a video about oscar nominations.
I've watched Every Star Trek episode and movie ever made. This is worse than enterprise. I was looking forward to this since DS9
Even Lower Decks?
I strongly disagree with Alan. Even if this movie was created at the same time as DS9, it would still be horrible, and people would still be certain that this isn't Star Trek, it's something else.
Is it God's End or Godsend ?
😂😂😂😂😂
They managed to fill several minutes with that 'joke'.
"Most enjoyable of current Star Trek" I don't believe that for a second. I guarantee, no matter what your feelings are of it, Lower Decks is more enjoyable than this possibly can be. I consider LD to be a Trek parody, despite the insistence it's canon, but it has moments that genuinely feels like ST, and I haven't watched all of the show. I've even heard ST: Prodigy is actually decent, and even though I haven't watched it I'll bet it's also better than S31. You want good Section 31 material? Watch DS9, period.
Sounds like I'll be passing on this.
I dunno... I don't think it's rocket science to work out what is Star Trek and what isn't Star Trek. It's mystifying how current Trek (and various other IP) just don't get it.
Section 31 movie = 🐴 💩
It's utter garbage 🗑️
Worst review ever!
There IS a good Trek story to tell with Section 31. I don’t think this is it, BUT I would like to see 31 officials try to reign in Georgia and teach her the principles of the Federation.. while letting her do nasty stuff to protect the Federation. Exploring THAT moral conflict is the heart of Star Trek. Word of mouth is this show doesn’t feel like Trek. If the show is just letting her be evil and seeing our world from her POV.. no thanks.
I will watch but I hope my low expectations are wrong.
Spoiler alert: It sucks.
Star Trek ended with Enterprise.
Doomsday device? More like Magical bullshit device…
I lasted 20 mins and I will NEVER watch this crap again !! It’s an affront to Gene Roddenberry and Star Trek !! Total disgrace and hopefully it’s the end of the participation of Secret Hideout with Star Trek.
This is a movie, not a show. And it’s arguably the worse Star Trek film to date. It’s horrible.
Alex Kluzmans Sh_t Trek
This didn't age well, did it?
This is going to be absolute 🐶💩
Just another Trek series I won't watch.
Star Trek has been dead for a long time. New track has not been good at all. I'm waiting for the reboot in about 10 years time. Paramount plus is lucky they have the rights to champions League soccer or else there is no way I would be subscribing
That tacky & lazy Orientalism of the Terran Empire...
I'll answer which one is better " Strange New Worlds"
You lost me after 90 seconds. That sounds like an insufferable drag.
just like the poster..it sounds awfull
lol DS9 wasn't real (Gene Roddenberry) Star Trek either
This was offensively bad