brought to you by the guy who has invested billions upon billions on ai development to replace human workers and has to force the "strength" of ai and shove it down your throat as much as possible
@idonthavefantazy I’d say it’s a combination of both. If you scroll through social media, you’ll notice a surge in content about tech that wasn’t nearly as prevalent before. This shift seems to be driven by fear-mongering and hype. On one hand, it’s fueled by genuine technological breakthroughs, but on the other, there’s a lot of exaggeration. From Zuckerberg’s perspective, he needs to see a return on his investments, while content creators are eager to capitalize on the trend for more views. It works hand in hand. AI is undeniably a powerful tool, but it’s being marketed as the next big thing to the point of over-saturation. It’s like a cake being shoved down everyone’s throat-you can only consume so much before it becomes overwhelming. While most of it is hype, there’s still a solid foundation of genuinely useful innovation.
"Supposed to" is a thing that matters to individuals, not companies. They don't care, as long as it doesn't affect them. And anyway, working for these bigger companies was always inherently limited. They get rid of people really easily.
@@Leonhart_93 It does affect them though. We are already in the situation where junior devs can not find jobs, yet software companies complain that it's hard to find engineers with the seniority to fix their harder problems (which are now more and more frequently caused by LLMs delivering bad code).
50 years ago people belived that by 2000 most labor work will be replaced by robots. The only robot I can see is my rumba which is often stuck on carpet.
Ummm sorry to tell you but hundreds of thousands domestically of labor jobs have been replaced by robots like in automotive, mail sorting, even farming.
If AI can increase productivity of a dev by 30%, then the company that lays off 30% of engineers will be at a massive disadvantage to the company that keeps their engineers and builds 30% faster, better or more. Growth has always been more important than efficiency or cost reduction.
This is so depressing. I was poor and struggling my whole life. I tried for years to become a software engineer, finally got in, had to learn how to be in office jobs in general, had two or three companies where I never really found my niche, and now i've been unemployed for over a year. I tried to hold out and put my life on slow drip thinking things had to get better, but they haven't. I feel so stupid for not enacting a plan that didn't involve getting hired soon. Even the apps i've been building feel impossible to make a living from. In general, i think if ai takes your job, then fuck it, learn something else. But this wasn't just ai, it was economic crash combined with simultaneous amazing advancements in ai.
People still think the current AI models are even capable of replacing Junior engineers? Are we living in different universes? Or what am I missing exactly? I've used all of them and I can confidently say not a chance
Well, they want to make profit. The earlier you make, the earlier you obsolete others. It's like, rather than sharing the market, you are grabbing the market alone
Most are not writing software to replace themselves. The developers who are working at the core of it all, from machine learning specialists to GPU driver developers, probably figure that their job is specialized enough that they will last longer than the rest, and the pay for those people is obviously high, so it is opportunistic.
The same reason they write open source software for free. I have more respect for lawyers. Despite their huge numbers, they work together like a cabal and get paid instead of slitting each other's throats.
I work at AWS as a mid level software engineer (L5), and the AI tools I have access to are nowhere close to replacing a software engineer. Either there are super high end AI tools Amazon isn’t giving us or the tools are being way overhyped.
@@onlinealias622 To me. This Mark is just advertising a product for sale. I don’t think people will be willing to pay for these tools if he says it’s as worse as Meta AI
you kind of touched on this, but the remaining part of that zuck clip is important context - he himself says he doesn't think it will replace anyone, but augment their capabilities. engineers will individually be expected to produce more and more complex output as we incorporate increasingly sophisticated AI tooling into our workflows - if we ever get to the point that engineers are wholly replaced (which I doubt), we are truly talking about an entirely different economic paradigm as the same automation would apply to all other white collar / less complex physical labor. imo, we can draw a parallel to the the shift mechanical engineers saw with cad-it's not replacing the need for engineers, but it’s reshaping the tools and workflows. cad turned drafting from a slow, manual process into something iterative and precise, but you still need a solid engineering foundation to make use of it. with ai, we're seeing the same thing: it accelerates problem-solving, handles repetitive tasks, and opens up new design possibilities, but the creativity and critical thinking engineers bring are irreplaceable. it’s a multiplier, not a substitute
On the other hand, it does have a potential to shrink a team from 4 people to 1 or 2. At that point, it's not replacing the 2-3 people directly, but the jobs are gone.
@@tomashorych394 that’s the case where a company or team doesn’t have the vision or room to grow in the market. It doesn’t necessarily mean there won’t be room in the market for those people somewhere else.
AI is shit at architectural design and baking it to prod. That’s where the senior has to finish the cake. (So many times AI will repeat old bugs or issues, or just straight up deleting part of code)
AI costumer support will be superior, you can already ask it anything and it has patience forever and answers are very good, only experts can answer better
@@rezah336 absolutely not. The AI constantly repeats itself when asked a question whose "right" answer does not satisfy the person behind the screen.
Discouraging junior developers will only lead to a decline in software engineering over time and could ultimately hinder the development of AI in the long run. This is a short-sighted take. The real issue is inflation and the state of the global economy-not the evolution of AI. People will always launch new startups and hire engineers at all levels. Stop obsessing over big tech. Instead, focus on smaller companies or consider starting your own venture.
I use AI a lot in C++ development, but only as a psychic search engine to dig up stuff faster. In practice, it hits ground all the time, even after constant clarification of prompts. The new AI "reasoning" models seem to be doing what all of us do when we clarify and resubmit, and it's not in the neighborhood of autonomous, and no path to get there. 80% accurate is absolutely f-ing abysmal for coding. These tools really only work in the hands of a competent developer who can immediately correct them and get them back on track.
Not a fan of them either my man! But in this game no job is forever and they are not alone in the long list of companies that will be rid you at the drop of a hat.
I think one point nobody mentions is how much ai cost a lot in terms of energy/electricity/computation. Governments are going to need to regulate this. And in the future with better models like the new O model from OpenAI, the tests are already showing that the cost is absurdly high for some easy human tasks. Humans don't use any electricity or hardware to think so until AI models are as efficient as humans, we shouldn't get replaced
Erm actually, humans require food and water and want to be paid for things other than thinking which if optimized could prove more costly than pure electricity 🤓
You can do like France : the contributor pays money to finance wind and solar farms. Big corporations build the farms, the government pays them until the investment is returned, and then they sell the electricity to other big companies that own datacenters for 1/3 of the price the individual has to pay to heat his house and cook food
Initially, I was using AI a lot. But I realised it would slow me down most of the time it would just give me wrong answers and I was learning nothing. then I removed it from my IDE.
When capital no longer needs labor, how does labor gain capital? TLDR; If we are all cooked = no one is cooked. Unless you are the companies selling AGIs
socialism is all about labor. Can we have some economic formation NOT abour job slavery? I personally believe that market will find the way, anyway, wisdom of makret is far more superior compared to human collectives. Not very "good" system, but there's nothing better yet. And yes - I await tech unemployment. It seems we need that crisis even to start thinking how to manage values without needing to sacrifice our whole lives to job serfdom
"Software engineers are probably going to be more like modern entrepreneurs." I saw this happen last year. My brother-in-law noticed a niche market, built a web platform to serve this market using AI (and having no prior coding experience). The platform has been very successful.
1. He spoke in future terms. 2. If AI is expensive now & the best costs more than engineers, future AI will likely stay costly. It won’t replace anyone yet but will see small-scale use to drive improvements.
So is he essentially serving the first round of redundancy to the thousands of engineers currently employed at Meta? If you were an engineer at Meta watching this you’d want to have a meeting asap.
For now AI is capable to create some boilerplate stuff and when you write a comment saying "loop over this array" it will do that. But that is it basically. It can look a few lines before and after your prompt and come up with stuff that you still need to check, modify and debug. In my experience it is faster, more enjoyable and of better quality when I write it myself and the most important thing : writing it myself makes me a better programmer. Added to that LLM creators are already saying they need more code and code of better quality to make the LLM's better. And that is after scraping the entire internet (or rather : StackOverflow and Github). When the entire internet is not good enough for a Large Language Model to get better how would they possibly make great improvements ?
The evidence that AI will not replace humans is everywhere. For example, look at all of the glitches. The original 8 bit Nintendo glitched all the time. We blew on the games, pressed all sorts of random buttons, etc. There were in game glitches where you had to restart the console. Today, games like that would never glitch. So we should be able to just sit back and play our NES games glitch free all day. But we don't do that. We wanted 3D games, shooters, etc. We wanted longer games with cut scenes that make good movies. We got stuck with loading screens, etc. That wasn't good enough either. Soon we were trying to find ways to play Halo ONE in online multiplayer via system link through a PC with unofficial software. I remember blue screening XP machines doing this. Why couldn't we just be happy with playing Contra on the NES? When that came out, we were blown away with the experience. By 2002, we almost forgot it existed. These days, people want their phone to be able to continue the same game they were playing at home on a console. We want to use our phones to lock our doors, turn the oven on, check what's in the fridge, and keep an eye on the front door. And we want all of this to work while we play a massive game that's been downloaded on the phone. My point is this. AI will not replace developers. AI will allow developers to do way way more for the same price. And customers will demand as much as you can give them. Customers would rather have a few glitches just so that they can do more.
My fridge, locks, and oven are precisely the things I want absolutely nothing to do with remote access. In any case, the hype-mongers assert that AI will be able to do at least as good of a job as moderately skilled humans, not that we won’t ever advance further. Two orthogonal concepts.
Where will a senior engineer come from ? Will they just drop out of school and immediately become a senior or they will be sent into AI world after the school. Would they find a way out from that world to become senior ?
So the way I get it: High interest rates and bubbles deflating = LLMs replacing mid level devs = less production Low interest rates and bubbles inflating = More mid level devs to take advantage of LLMs and create more diversified, comprehensive solutions = more production
Okay so basically then all software engineers are gonna get automated away. If you’re saying the endgame is that they’ll just become modern entrepreneurs, then they’ll try to compete against something that’s impossible to win against, effectively squashing them in the free market. For example, one or a few software engineers trying to compete against Google’s extremely advanced AGI. It’s like what are people gonna use, some rando GPS map from the App Store, or are they gonna use Google maps, easy choice.
It is already happening and some developer roles are already removed from the job list. If we need 10 developers for a project before, now we only need max 5 developers for a project. Generate code, review code, do some fix, test and ship.
This may sound aggressive, but I believe the job market currently has too many people entering the industry for reasons like "money and digital nomad culture." However, many of them lack the expertise required for current positions. This is why so many are struggling to land a job-not because there are no opportunities, but because they simply aren't qualified. Ultimately, the market will regulate itself as this group shifts to other fields outside of software engineering. While we may see a decrease in the number of open positions, we’ll also see an increase in the overall quality of products, as unqualified people inevitably leave the market.
Sceptic: "tell me what you think is going to happen in the next 5 mins." Conman: ..... deoe some prophesying 5 mins passes, prophesy never came to pass Conman: "but I'll tell you exactly what'll happen within the year, just... just trust me bro" 🤡
doesn't matter if he believes this or not, its what he has to say to keep meta stock on track in 2025 if he tells the truth about AI rather than whatever BS the stock market wants to hear, that's bad for the stock price
Is it really that difficult to get hired as a junior nowadays? Here in Germany I don't really feel like that is the case. Since the economy struggles there have been a few less head hunters that message you on LinkedIn right now, but there still are a few every week and my current company where I work part time while doing my masters degree is also quite likely to take me in once I am finished. So I wonder if I am just kinda lucky or if people just paint a way to dark picture about the job market
@@one_bored_dude1798 the problem is that too many "developers", created by some shitty online courses, flooded the market. This is pretty negligible in big job markets like the one in Germany, but the situation is pretty bad in smaller countries. IMHO, of course.
the big techs are going to fire seniors and these will join startups that will surpass all the big techs, and then in the future they will fire these seniors again and so on and so on and so forth. (?
facebook is slow, react is slow, metaverse is a lie , Mark Zuckerberg need to sell, but he dosen't code anymore, he can't visualize what means coding today. only can play with his money
I dont think AI will ever replace Software engineers, it for sure will help you become a 10x dev, i wached devin try to do a git commit and it took 1 hour, in the next 10 years meybe it will go donw to 1 minute, but a human + AI is the combo, it used to be human + google, now its human + AI, even if it does, i still have hope that by the time that happens, ill be a very good programmer, im in for the long run, already got 50 hours of coding this month,
It is like many other statements about AI or other futuristic tech. CEOs state their very unrealistic timeline expectations to raise the immediate stock price and simultaneously intimidate their employees to speed up their work. The product probably will get there eventually, but saying it's ready this year is silly. Funny enough, a great recent example of this is the "Metaverse."
Big companies have huge complex projects - the kind that AI can mess up *quick* - I’ll start to get worried once AI really replaces accountants, office workers, lawyers etc
So who is writing the code for the AI? I'm sorry, let me rephrase: who is writing the code that will be stolen by these big companies and resold to us SWEs, then to our managers to fire us. I don't know, but I still don't know who will debug, fix and maintain that code. Ah, that maybe would be me doing contract work and charging 20x for fixing what I could wrote myself.
The only impact I see is, AI will enhance the productivity and less engineers will be required for development and companies will keep changing their functionalities and requirements quickly. We have already started using copilot at our workplace, it is somewhat able to save our time.
Big companies will be able to use AI Engineers. Because they have great and clean business and technical documentation, thats the key! on the other hand the rest of company won't be able to do that.
Great and clean biz and tech documentation? You're not talking about Facebook, are you? Because if they have this and still present a near dead, shitty product which is now a bad combination of a BB + file sharing, then probably they really need an AI. And an act of God.
It sucks that I think that the result of this will be that more people learn from AI tools rather than try to think originally which would at least have a chance of successes.
Melkey, would you make a video about ML and Golang? I wonder, what is your workflow / do you use Golang also for ML, or putting ML models into production via ONNX or…?
Juniors have already been replaced in most mid to large companies and the amount of available new positions decimated. I can easily remove all juniors out of all my scrum teams by boosting the productivity of mid and senior level engineers and still turn higher quality code solutions faster today.
Being a good software engineer means that you can adapt quickly to changes and solve problems. This mindset still be valuable. Negotiating money raise is just getting tougher (it used to be due to covid excuse, now we have due to the AI excuse)
When he said that he would have AI replace/augment the coders that are working on the AI that Facebook produces... I'm guessing Zuckerberg never watched the Terminator series....
Tech bros will say anything will be replaced by AI to avoid going to therapy, or getting a huge stock price correction when the market realises how overhyped the AI they’ve invested $billions in they’re shilling is.
What an absurd that programmers create software to replace themselves…if there is something what can replace human mind then what harm it potentially can cause in general?
Keep in mind this is coming from the same guy that is constantly switching sides and only ever cared about money. He's running a social media monopoly that makes as much money as possible from squeezing every last bit of data out of its users and keeps trying to find new ways to make more money. The whole rebrand to meta during the crypto and nft hype is a relevant and recent example of that. That went nowhere and burned over 10 billion dollars. Now he's switching over to the AI hype train and saying devs will be replaced soon. Devin, the AI software developer that cost $500/month and could barely write any functioning code, claimed the same thing and has recently been exposed. AI is just the current hype and honestly I wouldn't be surprised if Meta formerly Facebook rebrands once again to include this AI delusion to please shareholders and drive their market cap up once again.
What those Tech CEO don't know is that, 2 or 3 very skilled software engineers along with available swarm of A.I coding applications and free model like deepseek now have 50 or 60% of engineering power of medium size tech company..... Software engineers will be more independent and entrepreneurial, and that will be the end of tech monopoly by those so called FAANG companies....LLMs are Robin Hood of knowledge
My two cents on this… I believe SWE jobs will change into a coordinator, supervisor, prompt engineering and customer interface. Sure simpler applications anyone will write. Complex systems will be different sure AI could code it but capturing all the details from a customer is complex. Mostly because most customers know the objectives and end result but do not know how to describe it… hard to build a prompt to describe a complex system and then account for maintenance and updates. I think the shift is not in the technicalities of code writing is how to link the technical with the customer and then oversee the development of it as it may have to be done in parts. I believe that companies will need less SWEs but there will be a wave of new companies pursuing new ideas of projects. So in the end it will balance out. I believe that you no longer will need to be a large corporation to dominate a market. I read somewhere that the race is on to be the first billion dollar valuation for a one man company leveraging AI.
I liked this take, and I agree. AI has helped me a lot, sometimes it slows me down, but most of the times it helps me come up with solutions without months of doing research
What's annoying with this AI replacing software engineers question is, that there are so many areas where AI as it is today is 100% effective. This single obsession with replacing software engineers is annoying. People are really simplifying the software development experience. Also, what makes people think that someone who can write software can't just move to ML? I worked in ML before shifting to software development as there were fewer opportunities in AI in the past years. It's really really easy for software engineers to adjust and move where there are more opportunities.
Put it this way, if you know things that isn't recorded anywhere (raw experience - school of hard knocks)- then you are safe from AI taking your job for a while. However, if everything you know can be found in a book or found online somewhere - then expect AI to take your job anywhere from now to three years from now. It's really that simple. You're in denial if you think otherwise. Of course, that's white collar job related - they are making fast advancements with robotics - but unless you're indoors (warehouse - factory) - your job is probably safe for a while.
I am currently generating code using Genesis.... seriously they think this nonsense will replace us? Also did these guys this think for one moment that developers can use ai to run the their own companies and compete with their employers.
AI will replace no one. Sure its going to make new hiring slow byt I don't think it can replace anyone because it can't be held accountable. Simple as that. They need someone to point fingers when something goes wrong. You can blame engineer but no an AI agent.
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Hi How's that meta verse going
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"AI will replace mid-level engineers in 2025" - brought to you by the same guy who has promised you the metaverse
brought to you by the guy who has invested billions upon billions on ai development to replace human workers and has to force the "strength" of ai and shove it down your throat as much as possible
@@user-gh5yf9vu7l Same for metaverse, and where's it?
Shoved on nobody's throat and make him lose Billions!
😂🤣🤣🤣😂😂
The same person that's let MAGA morons know he can be bought.
@@user-gh5yf9vu7l oh yeah. He clearly didn't also invested billions into the multiverse mate.
we need to stop listening to these professional yappers
Are you talking about Zuck or Melkey?
@idonthavefantazy I’d say it’s a combination of both. If you scroll through social media, you’ll notice a surge in content about tech that wasn’t nearly as prevalent before. This shift seems to be driven by fear-mongering and hype. On one hand, it’s fueled by genuine technological breakthroughs, but on the other, there’s a lot of exaggeration.
From Zuckerberg’s perspective, he needs to see a return on his investments, while content creators are eager to capitalize on the trend for more views. It works hand in hand. AI is undeniably a powerful tool, but it’s being marketed as the next big thing to the point of over-saturation. It’s like a cake being shoved down everyone’s throat-you can only consume so much before it becomes overwhelming. While most of it is hype, there’s still a solid foundation of genuinely useful innovation.
@@idonthavefantazy Why not both?
@@SimGunther exactly, why not both? yappers gonna yap, agree and disagree with rich yappers at the same time
I wonder how often zuck writes code
> removing mid-engineer
> implicitly removing junior engineer
> stop hiring juniors
How people are supposed to gain experience?
"Supposed to" is a thing that matters to individuals, not companies. They don't care, as long as it doesn't affect them.
And anyway, working for these bigger companies was always inherently limited. They get rid of people really easily.
@@Leonhart_93when they laid off so many people that no one had money to spend on their products, they might care…
@@Leonhart_93 It does affect them though.
We are already in the situation where junior devs can not find jobs, yet software companies complain that it's hard to find engineers with the seniority to fix their harder problems (which are now more and more frequently caused by LLMs delivering bad code).
many companies are hiring junior engineers, these videos are misinformation
@@DanMalm71XTheir product is advertisements so all the fired devs will make start ups and give meta money for ads.
How's that meta verse going
oh my...
50 years ago people belived that by 2000 most labor work will be replaced by robots. The only robot I can see is my rumba which is often stuck on carpet.
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Exactly. Weren’t we supposed to have hover cars 20 years ago and warp drive by now?
Ummm sorry to tell you but hundreds of thousands domestically of labor jobs have been replaced by robots like in automotive, mail sorting, even farming.
there are machines everywhere in industry
If AI can increase productivity of a dev by 30%, then the company that lays off 30% of engineers will be at a massive disadvantage to the company that keeps their engineers and builds 30% faster, better or more. Growth has always been more important than efficiency or cost reduction.
hmmm. This is an interesting insight.
Interesting the AI does not replace the management, which is on par with the dev headcount and basically doing nothing.
thats not the way things usaly work
the more peoples you have the slower the growth rate is
exponenetailly.
@@xwizardx007 Not if they can scale horizontally while expanding into new markets.
This. techies who whine about ai never think outside their little bubble about how businesses actually operate.
This is so depressing. I was poor and struggling my whole life. I tried for years to become a software engineer, finally got in, had to learn how to be in office jobs in general, had two or three companies where I never really found my niche, and now i've been unemployed for over a year. I tried to hold out and put my life on slow drip thinking things had to get better, but they haven't. I feel so stupid for not enacting a plan that didn't involve getting hired soon. Even the apps i've been building feel impossible to make a living from.
In general, i think if ai takes your job, then fuck it, learn something else. But this wasn't just ai, it was economic crash combined with simultaneous amazing advancements in ai.
People still think the current AI models are even capable of replacing Junior engineers? Are we living in different universes? Or what am I missing exactly? I've used all of them and I can confidently say not a chance
Those who are 1. selling the pipe dream and 2. those who cannot install a chrome extension to block their popups.
@@rocknowradio exactly lol, its just to attract investors or something atp
People just want to scare others and get on the hype . Even the current version of chat gpt -gpt4 sucks a lot many times.
Some of the AI generated code doesn’t even compile.
I guess most people just live in AI influencer world. But Marc? He has a plan.
I don't understand why we, software developers are writing software to replace us. Peak Stupidity.
Well, they want to make profit. The earlier you make, the earlier you obsolete others. It's like, rather than sharing the market, you are grabbing the market alone
Most are not writing software to replace themselves.
The developers who are working at the core of it all, from machine learning specialists to GPU driver developers, probably figure that their job is specialized enough that they will last longer than the rest, and the pay for those people is obviously high, so it is opportunistic.
Because capitalism
*Peak
The same reason they write open source software for free. I have more respect for lawyers. Despite their huge numbers, they work together like a cabal and get paid instead of slitting each other's throats.
I work at AWS as a mid level software engineer (L5), and the AI tools I have access to are nowhere close to replacing a software engineer. Either there are super high end AI tools Amazon isn’t giving us or the tools are being way overhyped.
@@onlinealias622
To me. This Mark is just advertising a product for sale.
I don’t think people will be willing to pay for these tools if he says it’s as worse as Meta AI
I've been unemployed for a while. What are the chances of getting hired at AWS right now?
@ probably decent, they are having trouble hiring because people don’t want to RTO
you kind of touched on this, but the remaining part of that zuck clip is important context - he himself says he doesn't think it will replace anyone, but augment their capabilities. engineers will individually be expected to produce more and more complex output as we incorporate increasingly sophisticated AI tooling into our workflows - if we ever get to the point that engineers are wholly replaced (which I doubt), we are truly talking about an entirely different economic paradigm as the same automation would apply to all other white collar / less complex physical labor.
imo, we can draw a parallel to the the shift mechanical engineers saw with cad-it's not replacing the need for engineers, but it’s reshaping the tools and workflows. cad turned drafting from a slow, manual process into something iterative and precise, but you still need a solid engineering foundation to make use of it. with ai, we're seeing the same thing: it accelerates problem-solving, handles repetitive tasks, and opens up new design possibilities, but the creativity and critical thinking engineers bring are irreplaceable. it’s a multiplier, not a substitute
On the other hand, it does have a potential to shrink a team from 4 people to 1 or 2. At that point, it's not replacing the 2-3 people directly, but the jobs are gone.
@@tomashorych394 that’s the case where a company or team doesn’t have the vision or room to grow in the market. It doesn’t necessarily mean there won’t be room in the market for those people somewhere else.
@@TehKarmalizer Yeah, maybe :)
Salesforce is the biggest scam in the software industry 🤡
why😂?
Just a CRM software
They are...their platform is trash.
What would happen to your life if Meta disappeared?
Nothing.
so true!!
lower electricity consumption
wrong. it becomes better
🤣 what a question ? I think some will be frustrated somehow...
AI is shit at architectural design and baking it to prod. That’s where the senior has to finish the cake. (So many times AI will repeat old bugs or issues, or just straight up deleting part of code)
It forgets half of the given code if you request 3-4 follow-up refactorings. 😆
It's like when people said calculators will replace mathematicians
Good one. Zuck might as well say AI will replace humans on Facebook > AI Book.
Rogan's "hmm" as he pretends to understand cracks me up
sounds like if his ass is melting.
It's over for fb and meta. Useless services.
Secret: just like the old-twitter, meta does not need ~80% of its personnel.
Be ready for bad products, bad customer support, bad system design. You can already see all of these.
AI costumer support will be superior, you can already ask it anything and it has patience forever and answers are very good, only experts can answer better
@@rezah336 absolutely not. The AI constantly repeats itself when asked a question whose "right" answer does not satisfy the person behind the screen.
Discouraging junior developers will only lead to a decline in software engineering over time and could ultimately hinder the development of AI in the long run. This is a short-sighted take. The real issue is inflation and the state of the global economy-not the evolution of AI. People will always launch new startups and hire engineers at all levels.
Stop obsessing over big tech. Instead, focus on smaller companies or consider starting your own venture.
Exactly. This has nothing to do with technology.
I use AI a lot in C++ development, but only as a psychic search engine to dig up stuff faster. In practice, it hits ground all the time, even after constant clarification of prompts. The new AI "reasoning" models seem to be doing what all of us do when we clarify and resubmit, and it's not in the neighborhood of autonomous, and no path to get there. 80% accurate is absolutely f-ing abysmal for coding. These tools really only work in the hands of a competent developer who can immediately correct them and get them back on track.
Meta currently has a few hundred job openings for software and AI engineers. Good luck filling those up now.
I'm sure they won't have a problem doing that. They still pay really well and a lot of engineers want to work for them.
@@isoaxeI am not going to a company that future of the job they provide is uncertain. Thank but no thanks!
Not a fan of them either my man! But in this game no job is forever and they are not alone in the long list of companies that will be rid you at the drop of a hat.
I think one point nobody mentions is how much ai cost a lot in terms of energy/electricity/computation.
Governments are going to need to regulate this. And in the future with better models like the new O model from OpenAI, the tests are already showing that the cost is absurdly high for some easy human tasks. Humans don't use any electricity or hardware to think so until AI models are as efficient as humans, we shouldn't get replaced
exactly, there's a cost barrier
So that's why big companies like google, meta and others are going to build nuclear stations for their ai systems
Someone’s going to figure out how to grow a biological human brain that will replace humans. Or humans will be put in a pod like the matrix movie.
Erm actually, humans require food and water and want to be paid for things other than thinking which if optimized could prove more costly than pure electricity 🤓
You can do like France : the contributor pays money to finance wind and solar farms. Big corporations build the farms, the government pays them until the investment is returned, and then they sell the electricity to other big companies that own datacenters for 1/3 of the price the individual has to pay to heat his house and cook food
Initially, I was using AI a lot. But I realised it would slow me down most of the time it would just give me wrong answers and I was learning nothing. then I removed it from my IDE.
"Hmmm now we got a lot of code that can't be maintained because the AIs are only good at generating new code."
Don’t you need entry level AI engineers first? They still have 0. Not even AI interns💀
When capital no longer needs labor, how does labor gain capital?
TLDR; If we are all cooked = no one is cooked. Unless you are the companies selling AGIs
socialism is all about labor. Can we have some economic formation NOT abour job slavery?
I personally believe that market will find the way, anyway, wisdom of makret is far more superior compared to human collectives.
Not very "good" system, but there's nothing better yet. And yes - I await tech unemployment. It seems we need that crisis even to start thinking how to manage values without needing to sacrifice our whole lives to job serfdom
Humans will be needed to tell AI what to write, approve the code, test the code, run the code, maintain the code via AI in a loop.
"Software engineers are probably going to be more like modern entrepreneurs." I saw this happen last year. My brother-in-law noticed a niche market, built a web platform to serve this market using AI (and having no prior coding experience). The platform has been very successful.
1. He spoke in future terms.
2. If AI is expensive now & the best costs more than engineers, future AI will likely stay costly. It won’t replace anyone yet but will see small-scale use to drive improvements.
So the question is this: As a fresher developer what should i learn to outdo this AI models?
So is he essentially serving the first round of redundancy to the thousands of engineers currently employed at Meta? If you were an engineer at Meta watching this you’d want to have a meeting asap.
For now AI is capable to create some boilerplate stuff and when you write a comment saying "loop over this array" it will do that. But that is it basically. It can look a few lines before and after your prompt and come up with stuff that you still need to check, modify and debug. In my experience it is faster, more enjoyable and of better quality when I write it myself and the most important thing : writing it myself makes me a better programmer.
Added to that LLM creators are already saying they need more code and code of better quality to make the LLM's better. And that is after scraping the entire internet (or rather : StackOverflow and Github). When the entire internet is not good enough for a Large Language Model to get better how would they possibly make great improvements ?
Pointless video, just yapping for 10 mins mark....
The evidence that AI will not replace humans is everywhere. For example, look at all of the glitches. The original 8 bit Nintendo glitched all the time. We blew on the games, pressed all sorts of random buttons, etc. There were in game glitches where you had to restart the console. Today, games like that would never glitch. So we should be able to just sit back and play our NES games glitch free all day.
But we don't do that. We wanted 3D games, shooters, etc. We wanted longer games with cut scenes that make good movies. We got stuck with loading screens, etc. That wasn't good enough either. Soon we were trying to find ways to play Halo ONE in online multiplayer via system link through a PC with unofficial software. I remember blue screening XP machines doing this. Why couldn't we just be happy with playing Contra on the NES? When that came out, we were blown away with the experience. By 2002, we almost forgot it existed.
These days, people want their phone to be able to continue the same game they were playing at home on a console. We want to use our phones to lock our doors, turn the oven on, check what's in the fridge, and keep an eye on the front door. And we want all of this to work while we play a massive game that's been downloaded on the phone.
My point is this. AI will not replace developers. AI will allow developers to do way way more for the same price. And customers will demand as much as you can give them. Customers would rather have a few glitches just so that they can do more.
My fridge, locks, and oven are precisely the things I want absolutely nothing to do with remote access. In any case, the hype-mongers assert that AI will be able to do at least as good of a job as moderately skilled humans, not that we won’t ever advance further. Two orthogonal concepts.
Where will a senior engineer come from ? Will they just drop out of school and immediately become a senior or they will be sent into AI world after the school. Would they find a way out from that world to become senior ?
So the way I get it:
High interest rates and bubbles deflating = LLMs replacing mid level devs = less production
Low interest rates and bubbles inflating = More mid level devs to take advantage of LLMs and create more diversified, comprehensive solutions = more production
Okay so basically then all software engineers are gonna get automated away. If you’re saying the endgame is that they’ll just become modern entrepreneurs, then they’ll try to compete against something that’s impossible to win against, effectively squashing them in the free market. For example, one or a few software engineers trying to compete against Google’s extremely advanced AGI. It’s like what are people gonna use, some rando GPS map from the App Store, or are they gonna use Google maps, easy choice.
It is already happening and some developer roles are already removed from the job list. If we need 10 developers for a project before, now we only need max 5 developers for a project. Generate code, review code, do some fix, test and ship.
This may sound aggressive, but I believe the job market currently has too many people entering the industry for reasons like "money and digital nomad culture." However, many of them lack the expertise required for current positions. This is why so many are struggling to land a job-not because there are no opportunities, but because they simply aren't qualified.
Ultimately, the market will regulate itself as this group shifts to other fields outside of software engineering. While we may see a decrease in the number of open positions, we’ll also see an increase in the overall quality of products, as unqualified people inevitably leave the market.
Sceptic: "tell me what you think is going to happen in the next 5 mins."
Conman: ..... deoe some prophesying
5 mins passes, prophesy never came to pass
Conman: "but I'll tell you exactly what'll happen within the year, just... just trust me bro"
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doesn't matter if he believes this or not, its what he has to say to keep meta stock on track in 2025
if he tells the truth about AI rather than whatever BS the stock market wants to hear, that's bad for the stock price
Wonder how new senior engineers will be created without ever getting hired as junior
By unfreezing cryogenically frozen engineers from the 20th Century, of course.
They wouldn’t, but it doesn’t matter. Maybe it will happen one day, but it won’t be 2025. Not wholesale replacement of developers.
Is it really that difficult to get hired as a junior nowadays?
Here in Germany I don't really feel like that is the case. Since the economy struggles there have been a few less head hunters that message you on LinkedIn right now, but there still are a few every week and my current company where I work part time while doing my masters degree is also quite likely to take me in once I am finished.
So I wonder if I am just kinda lucky or if people just paint a way to dark picture about the job market
@@one_bored_dude1798 If you are from a good university, then its not that much difficult to get a job but through off-campus is really hard get in.
@@one_bored_dude1798 the problem is that too many "developers", created by some shitty online courses, flooded the market. This is pretty negligible in big job markets like the one in Germany, but the situation is pretty bad in smaller countries. IMHO, of course.
the big techs are going to fire seniors and these will join startups that will surpass all the big techs, and then in the future they will fire these seniors again and so on and so on and so forth. (?
facebook is slow, react is slow, metaverse is a lie , Mark Zuckerberg need to sell, but he dosen't code anymore, he can't visualize what means coding today. only can play with his money
I dont think AI will ever replace Software engineers, it for sure will help you become a 10x dev, i wached devin try to do a git commit and it took 1 hour, in the next 10 years meybe it will go donw to 1 minute, but a human + AI is the combo, it used to be human + google, now its human + AI, even if it does, i still have hope that by the time that happens, ill be a very good programmer, im in for the long run, already got 50 hours of coding this month,
So, will Senior Engineers grow in trees? ahah Or wait, they will be trained by AI, right?
It is like many other statements about AI or other futuristic tech. CEOs state their very unrealistic timeline expectations to raise the immediate stock price and simultaneously intimidate their employees to speed up their work. The product probably will get there eventually, but saying it's ready this year is silly. Funny enough, a great recent example of this is the "Metaverse."
Big companies have huge complex projects - the kind that AI can mess up *quick* - I’ll start to get worried once AI really replaces accountants, office workers, lawyers etc
Seems like zuck is trying to find many arguments to reduce costs...
And increase his stock price so he can get richer. The guy is a slimeball.
So who is writing the code for the AI? I'm sorry, let me rephrase: who is writing the code that will be stolen by these big companies and resold to us SWEs, then to our managers to fire us.
I don't know, but I still don't know who will debug, fix and maintain that code. Ah, that maybe would be me doing contract work and charging 20x for fixing what I could wrote myself.
Well Snrs would 😂
@@akinmademoses2452 Too busy with meetings about if company should use AI or not, and what kind and how much money costs.
The only impact I see is, AI will enhance the productivity and less engineers will be required for development and companies will keep changing their functionalities and requirements quickly. We have already started using copilot at our workplace, it is somewhat able to save our time.
TLDR: AI developers, who don't own the business, are digging a grave for themselves
Big companies will be able to use AI Engineers. Because they have great and clean business and technical documentation, thats the key! on the other hand the rest of company won't be able to do that.
This ^
Great and clean biz and tech documentation? You're not talking about Facebook, are you? Because if they have this and still present a near dead, shitty product which is now a bad combination of a BB + file sharing, then probably they really need an AI. And an act of God.
guys he said “probably this year”
It sucks that I think that the result of this will be that more people learn from AI tools rather than try to think originally which would at least have a chance of successes.
So if they do replace the mid and low level engineers, where do they plan on getting the senior engineers from?
So does that mean we get juniors and seniors left?
I feel like they will always want a senior in the room.
AI is definitely ensuring a lot less engineers are needed for a given work. I hear posts of layoffs everywhere. So AI is impacting jobs.
Melkey, would you make a video about ML and Golang? I wonder, what is your workflow / do you use Golang also for ML, or putting ML models into production via ONNX or…?
Juniors have already been replaced in most mid to large companies and the amount of available new positions decimated. I can easily remove all juniors out of all my scrum teams by boosting the productivity of mid and senior level engineers and still turn higher quality code solutions faster today.
Goodbye software engineers, Hello AI Engineers
Being a good software engineer means that you can adapt quickly to changes and solve problems. This mindset still be valuable. Negotiating money raise is just getting tougher (it used to be due to covid excuse, now we have due to the AI excuse)
you probally right it goes the way of the blacksmith. the problem is how fast and how wide in the end is the question
When he said that he would have AI replace/augment the coders that are working on the AI that Facebook produces...
I'm guessing Zuckerberg never watched the Terminator series....
Tech bros will say anything will be replaced by AI to avoid going to therapy, or getting a huge stock price correction when the market realises how overhyped the AI they’ve invested $billions in they’re shilling is.
What an absurd that programmers create software to replace themselves…if there is something what can replace human mind then what harm it potentially can cause in general?
Dear engineers, come out of the basement, take business courses and become their competition!
Engineers wearing chains with talismans will definitely survive. Definitely ;)
We're all in a Bad Dream People! A REALLY Bad Dream.. 😳
If AI is the future. Meta would do it behind closed doors. This is just a sales pitch for investors.
Only means that they will keep junior engineers as 1 - 7 years
For the near future junior devs can fight for start up jobs I suppose, as they wont yet have the AI that zuck is suggesting
Don't worry guys, new companies will eventually emerge, and some competition are still not aiming like meta
It will never replace all engineers, can't see it happening anytime soon. But we'll definitely need A LOT LESS people all around.
2:40 Like my dog when she has a bad hair day
Software Engineers do not just write code.
more work for seniors for same pay.
That's a constant since 1998 for me. They called me senior at one moment, the rest is the same.
The world is changing, those thinking that it’s not are going to be the most impacted
Nonsense. If AI is so useful, then where's the competition for Photoshop, Word, MacOS? Writing trivial bits of code doesn't replace engineers.
My thoughts is that this ai thing is gonna stop and there is gonna be demand for software engineers after the the codebase gets complex
Either Zuck is having a midlife crisis and finally living his 20s or his “totally not a lizard man” disguise is evolving.
Yes, all dev is dead. We'll just use natural language to code and nothing will ever go wrong.
Also, I don't know what "polysemy" means.
Keep in mind this is coming from the same guy that is constantly switching sides and only ever cared about money. He's running a social media monopoly that makes as much money as possible from squeezing every last bit of data out of its users and keeps trying to find new ways to make more money. The whole rebrand to meta during the crypto and nft hype is a relevant and recent example of that. That went nowhere and burned over 10 billion dollars. Now he's switching over to the AI hype train and saying devs will be replaced soon. Devin, the AI software developer that cost $500/month and could barely write any functioning code, claimed the same thing and has recently been exposed. AI is just the current hype and honestly I wouldn't be surprised if Meta formerly Facebook rebrands once again to include this AI delusion to please shareholders and drive their market cap up once again.
What those Tech CEO don't know is that, 2 or 3 very skilled software engineers along with available swarm of A.I coding applications and free model like deepseek now have 50 or 60% of engineering power of medium size tech company..... Software engineers will be more independent and entrepreneurial, and that will be the end of tech monopoly by those so called FAANG companies....LLMs are Robin Hood of knowledge
We should create AI's to replace C-level clowns. They declared war on us engineers.
Mark's transformation imo is from training with Volk and Craig Jones for an extended period of time
Meta announced it will fire 5% of it's bottom performers.
My two cents on this… I believe SWE jobs will change into a coordinator, supervisor, prompt engineering and customer interface. Sure simpler applications anyone will write. Complex systems will be different sure AI could code it but capturing all the details from a customer is complex. Mostly because most customers know the objectives and end result but do not know how to describe it… hard to build a prompt to describe a complex system and then account for maintenance and updates.
I think the shift is not in the technicalities of code writing is how to link the technical with the customer and then oversee the development of it as it may have to be done in parts.
I believe that companies will need less SWEs but there will be a wave of new companies pursuing new ideas of projects. So in the end it will balance out. I believe that you no longer will need to be a large corporation to dominate a market. I read somewhere that the race is on to be the first billion dollar valuation for a one man company leveraging AI.
I liked this take, and I agree. AI has helped me a lot, sometimes it slows me down, but most of the times it helps me come up with solutions without months of doing research
What's annoying with this AI replacing software engineers question is, that there are so many areas where AI as it is today is 100% effective. This single obsession with replacing software engineers is annoying. People are really simplifying the software development experience. Also, what makes people think that someone who can write software can't just move to ML? I worked in ML before shifting to software development as there were fewer opportunities in AI in the past years. It's really really easy for software engineers to adjust and move where there are more opportunities.
Put it this way, if you know things that isn't recorded anywhere (raw experience - school of hard knocks)- then you are safe from AI taking your job for a while. However, if everything you know can be found in a book or found online somewhere - then expect AI to take your job anywhere from now to three years from now. It's really that simple. You're in denial if you think otherwise. Of course, that's white collar job related - they are making fast advancements with robotics - but unless you're indoors (warehouse - factory) - your job is probably safe for a while.
Well, like how FB is working lately, one can replace these with nobody and the things will still run as they are.
I am currently generating code using Genesis.... seriously they think this nonsense will replace us? Also did these guys this think for one moment that developers can use ai to run the their own companies and compete with their employers.
there question here is are senier engineers ready to work with just AI without any humans?
AI will replace CEOs and all management and then run all companies creating AI work that only another AI companies will buy.
All this AI productivity yapping, and the metaverse characters still dont have legs
AI will replace no one. Sure its going to make new hiring slow byt I don't think it can replace anyone because it can't be held accountable. Simple as that. They need someone to point fingers when something goes wrong. You can blame engineer but no an AI agent.
"I'm a senior software engineer at twitch" Okay we can replace this one with AI
Hahaha😂
I don't believe it until they make a 'Meta'verse successful。