I fully cannot watch these podcasts without wanting to jump on that fuckin sofa and just verbalize all the thoughts I have and points I think they're missing. The frustration level is mad
so... its not the reduced powers of the met police (stop and search) its not because the number of police on the street has been reduced by 20,000 its not because of cuts to child services including play schemes and after school clubs its because of the music. bearing in mind the murder rate in london is significantly lower than it was 30 years ago when even grime wasn't invented yet let alone drill. nahhhhh, its the music.
MrSafeboss Children’s minds are easily influenced dumb dumb, they look up to rappers today of course the music is fucking with their brains. It’s part of this “road man” image.
Music has so much influence on life in general not just violence. It changes moods and certain songs can defo trigger feelings u weren't feeling before the tune, there's good and bad in everyone but a song can defo trigger a action u do good or bad.
I think the reason people get defensive is because the government never want to acknowledged the part they play in this. Whenever something bad happens they always have the same debate about music. but the media never want to talk about the other real problems. Poverty. People living in big estates, where they might just need to defend themselves just to survive. Jail system, putting people in jail for weed and fucking up thier opportunity to get jobs, which basically means they most likely will do crime to make money, father's being in jail just for drugs. Kids growing up fatherless which is another factor. Government cuts to social clubs/youth clubs after shcool programmes. Investment in communities always bring long term benefits. Music is a factor but if the government never want to take responsibility why should poor people take responsibility. That's how I see it. I can see both sides
"Music is a factor but if the government never want to take responsibility why should poor people take responsibility." We should take responsibility of ourselves because it is our brothers and sisters and kids and friends dying, thats why. Ultimately we need to look after each other. Of course there are systemic problems but we have to do what we can to try and stop the madness.
Daniel Chirwa I agree with that. I was just explaining why people who love rap/grime etc get defensive when they hear that question. We have to take accountability and call things out aswell because the government clearly don't care
The emotive nature of the question will typically elicit that defensive response, I feel. People perceive/interpret those words "plays a part" as "is responsible for" rather than "contributes towards"... slightly tangential, but accepting that that thing we like also has a negative aspect to it isn't always easy to do, whether it be that tasty food we like being unhealthy, or a person we think is cool also being an occasional shoplifter or whatever. The effect of cognitive dissonance, ultimately. :)
I can say 100% that music influences us. Were people in the states drinking leaning, taking xanax, popping Percs anywhere near as much until irresponsible rappers started glamorising it? Drill music is fucking with these kids I swear. We are coming to a point where we are developing a global black consciousness, these issues about the way we portray OURSELVES in media and the messages we put out need to be a serious part of the discussion.
The reason people have a hard time accepting music has a responsibility to play towards violence because it brings us so much joy. Now if music was the case and we want to end the violence it will mean the end of music.
Going back to that same village philosophy, when this topic comes up we have to refer to the whole as opposed to the part because that is the same village attitude you kicked off with which we need to step up on, don't do a 180 on us now Chucks (love the way you made a man freeze wid it tho). eg lets say the village here is our Social spiritual Financially Mental etc situation is all up to level then music alone wouldn't make you go left but with each situation compromised the more influenced you're likely to be. and lastly we're even dumb or dumber because we don't even realise that just by making sure that every single person (where YOU CAN!) that you spend your money at looks like the person in your mirror... just that alone will cure a lot this sickness in our few an far between fragmented villages.
The thing is its a scientific fact that psychopaths brains are very different from normal people. So I disagree that it's nurture. I think it's both nature as in they are born more inclined to do certain things but nurture as well because the way they grow up and are treated plays a massive role in the way they see the world and look at people and interact with people in a bad way
Poet in the discussion of true happiness you are wrong. becos Pablo Escobar was truly happy until he was caught so there is not one idea of true happiness! big up for the podcast and keep up the good work :D
No but my point is how tf dose Poet no? If people who live that life are genuinely happy or not, he try`s so hard to force his opinion on other people when, that is all it is his opinion.
Poet annoys me sometimes, he is the type of person who thinks he is an intellectual but.. it's not quite happening for him. Of course people can be born "wicked", or least much more prone to be anyway; the brain is a funny thing, some people are born without empathy, it takes a level of non-empathy to commit evil deeds. Why do you think most evil shit is committed by men? because generally men are less emotionally intelligent and empathetic
It's like when kids shoot up schools back in the day they would always say It's because of rock music. Personally I think for a guy to do something that crazy he must have mental issues and not give a fuck about life anymore. It is a factor but not the biggest. However I do gt fustrated when you got guys that glorify violence they havn't experienced. Fake rappers. I will always respect a rapper talking about what he has seen and been through. Like a kendrick. Street storytelling. But alot of rappers say shit like they have killed 10 people when that's impossible. Every song kill kill kill. We know your not living that life. Difference between talking about pain and violence and glorifying.
Art imitates real life and real life imitates art. The old skool rappers of the 80's/90's copied the dress sense of the drug dealers with the jewellery/garms, swagger and slang etc. and made it popular fashion through their music videos, yutes see this and all wanna get fresh in Jokes, Jordan's etc. the peer pressure to acquire desirable goods leads to crime. The road man we the rappers making good legal money trying act like them and want a piece of the pie and gives birth to "Gangsta rap", I believe 80% of the then "gangsta " rappers were not really what they portrayed, probs the same amount with Trap/drill rappers today, but this is the vicious circular effect we dealing with.
“Art imitates life” the problems we face as a community predates Trap music. Yes slavery and economics play a massive part in the position our youths find themselves in today. Police brutality and The historic criminalisation of Black males also play a part because the majority of our youths who become involved come from single parent households where their fathers have also been involved in the criminal justice system. Exclusion from school also plays a major part, the educators know they have failed Black boys and girls. Black boys face racism from the police from an early age so trust in authority and the system that should protect them is eroded. We need commitment in relationships prior to having children because when men have made a psychological commitment to a woman they make better fathers. Less single mothers. By the time our sons get to trap music they have most likely experienced all the issues mentioned. So they identify with trap music. Remove the music and the police will still racially profile your son, the teacher will still exclude our children and we will still receive less pay or be denied jobs based on race.
You can't blame music for a person faults alot of people want to blame their behaviour on music, Games and environment but in truth it just choice they just find it easier to past the blame then take responsibility for their actions. Trust me i have been on both side of life the road and legit and to be completely honest it was all my choice.
Yes it does. If you watch a scary movie and turn the sound off it isn’t scary. Watch a sad video with sad music it’s sad,watch the same video with drum n bass and it ain’t sad no more
Poet just constantly adding unnecessary shit. Dan talking about how music shapes you and poet finding the need to say "not solely" as if it wasn't the most obvious thing in the world.
link up and grime daily are not helping the situation with the content they release. We all know that SOME of there content glorifies gang lifestyle.Too many examples of draw from both here and the U.S
music definitely influences, from when you have people over here in the UK drinking 'lean'.
Nickvasko righttt ! It’s ridiculous
Aish Na it’s soo nice man
I would argue that there are multiple contributing factors too that, music being a very small one..
Fammmm, that 4:44 example Chuckie gave about hearing certain lyrics and getting gassed, too relatable ! Music is powerful
Too many gems on that tape.
Daniel Chirwa agreed!
Music can be brainwashing material
POET Will ARGUE Anything! LOL
can we just rate that catch please 11:26
joshua ohemeng D Man is clearly right handed, too (he doodles later with the pen) . Yet aced that catch with his left. Badman ting.
loooool it was locked in the right position ready to go aswell too much
Emotion = music.
"Sometimes the village is a big as your house hold" 👏👏👏
I fully cannot watch these podcasts without wanting to jump on that fuckin sofa and just verbalize all the thoughts I have and points I think they're missing. The frustration level is mad
Jesse Lingard lol they should record it live and allow call ins
Olumide Sobodu good idea
Bro go listen to the latest upload. Chuckie had his bredrin call in! Loool they listening
Jesse Lingard lol 😂
You know
Most definitely I personally think music has a huge effect on the youth of today. So much drill ATM no wonder why knife crime is so high
so... its not the reduced powers of the met police (stop and search)
its not because the number of police on the street has been reduced by 20,000
its not because of cuts to child services including play schemes and after school clubs
its because of the music.
bearing in mind the murder rate in london is significantly lower than it was 30 years ago when even grime wasn't invented yet let alone drill.
nahhhhh, its the music.
MrSafeboss Children’s minds are easily influenced dumb dumb, they look up to rappers today of course the music is fucking with their brains. It’s part of this “road man” image.
From 18 mins on Poet's preaching. Amen.
Honestly you guys are educating man more than my parents it's mwad!!! Big up the channel 10x
Man said we had to put a bit of H-Town to show them what it is DIEINGGGGG
I use to play Queit Storm every morning!! one of the most notorious road man, use to play classic.
Music has so much influence on life in general not just violence. It changes moods and certain songs can defo trigger feelings u weren't feeling before the tune, there's good and bad in everyone but a song can defo trigger a action u do good or bad.
Callum gets ripped by these man y'kna
im hooked looooooool gonna check out the full podcasts
I think the reason people get defensive is because the government never want to acknowledged the part they play in this. Whenever something bad happens they always have the same debate about music. but the media never want to talk about the other real problems. Poverty. People living in big estates, where they might just need to defend themselves just to survive. Jail system, putting people in jail for weed and fucking up thier opportunity to get jobs, which basically means they most likely will do crime to make money, father's being in jail just for drugs. Kids growing up fatherless which is another factor. Government cuts to social clubs/youth clubs after shcool programmes. Investment in communities always bring long term benefits. Music is a factor but if the government never want to take responsibility why should poor people take responsibility. That's how I see it. I can see both sides
"Music is a factor but if the government never want to take responsibility why should poor people take responsibility."
We should take responsibility of ourselves because it is our brothers and sisters and kids and friends dying, thats why. Ultimately we need to look after each other. Of course there are systemic problems but we have to do what we can to try and stop the madness.
Daniel Chirwa I agree with that. I was just explaining why people who love rap/grime etc get defensive when they hear that question. We have to take accountability and call things out aswell because the government clearly don't care
WOW this podcast is genuinely amazing love you man
Chuckie dreamin of rollin wit a ting😂😂😂
Music is very influential, music is why we say nigga so much in the UK.
victoria muzi 🙄🙄🙄 if ur white that would make sense but realistically no kmt
Every time that guy off the camera speaks chuckie has a face on him like 'ahh here we go again' 😂
chuckie trousers get tighter by the episode.. next episode his thighs gonna be bussting out lmao
Hand down the best uk podcast great work 👍👌👍👌👍👌
feelings and music have different feelings and are linked together
The emotive nature of the question will typically elicit that defensive response, I feel. People perceive/interpret those words "plays a part" as "is responsible for" rather than "contributes towards"... slightly tangential, but accepting that that thing we like also has a negative aspect to it isn't always easy to do, whether it be that tasty food we like being unhealthy, or a person we think is cool also being an occasional shoplifter or whatever. The effect of cognitive dissonance, ultimately. :)
Poet is dropping that knowledge....
I can say 100% that music influences us. Were people in the states drinking leaning, taking xanax, popping Percs anywhere near as much until irresponsible rappers started glamorising it? Drill music is fucking with these kids I swear. We are coming to a point where we are developing a global black consciousness, these issues about the way we portray OURSELVES in media and the messages we put out need to be a serious part of the discussion.
The old Legends says Chuckie was born with a shape up
yooo last bite po said hit deep
I need to check chuckies barbar that shape up is on point
Kieron Henry 1 week full trim, 1 week shape up
Barber* 😊🙏🏾
The reason people have a hard time accepting music has a responsibility to play towards violence because it brings us so much joy. Now if music was the case and we want to end the violence it will mean the end of music.
Big up Poet's socks
Chuckie is jokes😂
The last 5 minutes are the realist.
11:25 "Art Intimidating real life" LMFAO
Music definitely has an affect your persona
I think some people are born wicked.Hes right about Paid in Full,Just about every guy I know was influenced by Paid in Full.
oi Dan got boyed so many times looool
So im slightly new to this programme, really liking the discussions! but please can someone explain who the voice with no face is ?😃
Poet ! Wahhht u writing FAM!!!?
Music doesnt have an influence. People have the influence. Because I know so many artist that make music that no one follows, so its the person
Going back to that same village philosophy, when this topic comes up we have to refer to the whole as opposed to the part because that is the same village attitude you kicked off with which we need to step up on, don't do a 180 on us now Chucks (love the way you made a man freeze wid it tho). eg lets say the village here is our Social spiritual Financially Mental etc situation is all up to level then music alone wouldn't make you go left but with each situation compromised the more influenced you're likely to be. and lastly we're even dumb or dumber because we don't even realise that just by making sure that every single person (where YOU CAN!) that you spend your money at looks like the person in your mirror... just that alone will cure a lot this sickness in our few an far between fragmented villages.
The thing is its a scientific fact that psychopaths brains are very different from normal people. So I disagree that it's nurture. I think it's both nature as in they are born more inclined to do certain things but nurture as well because the way they grow up and are treated plays a massive role in the way they see the world and look at people and interact with people in a bad way
Poet in the discussion of true happiness you are wrong. becos Pablo Escobar was truly happy until he was caught so there is not one idea of true happiness!
big up for the podcast and keep up the good work :D
How tf do you know he was happy
What from narcos
No but my point is how tf dose Poet no? If people who live that life are genuinely happy or not, he try`s so hard to force his opinion on other people when, that is all it is his opinion.
These guys have the power to denounce it though
Some people are going to be evil. Their up bringing is the reason not music
Ik youths are affected but they chat way too much. Actual people who enjoy the music aren't the violent ones
Poet absolutely smacked it.
Most rappers don't do half the shit they say on a record. Biggest criminals are the 1 in suits
I don’t think music makes people get violent you always have a Choice
All this video did is make me wanna go listen to some Drill music now......after I've listened to so some Luther Vandross 🤣
Poet annoys me sometimes, he is the type of person who thinks he is an intellectual but.. it's not quite happening for him. Of course people can be born "wicked", or least much more prone to be anyway; the brain is a funny thing, some people are born without empathy, it takes a level of non-empathy to commit evil deeds.
Why do you think most evil shit is committed by men? because generally men are less emotionally intelligent and empathetic
What is it about scary music that's scary?
It's like when kids shoot up schools back in the day they would always say It's because of rock music. Personally I think for a guy to do something that crazy he must have mental issues and not give a fuck about life anymore. It is a factor but not the biggest. However I do gt fustrated when you got guys that glorify violence they havn't experienced. Fake rappers. I will always respect a rapper talking about what he has seen and been through. Like a kendrick. Street storytelling. But alot of rappers say shit like they have killed 10 people when that's impossible. Every song kill kill kill. We know your not living that life. Difference between talking about pain and violence and glorifying.
Art imitates real life and real life imitates art.
The old skool rappers of the 80's/90's copied the dress sense of the drug dealers with the jewellery/garms, swagger and slang etc. and made it popular fashion through their music videos, yutes see this and all wanna get fresh in Jokes, Jordan's etc. the peer pressure to acquire desirable goods leads to crime.
The road man we the rappers making good legal money trying act like them and want a piece of the pie and gives birth to "Gangsta rap", I believe 80% of the then "gangsta " rappers were not really what they portrayed, probs the same amount with Trap/drill rappers today, but this is the vicious circular effect we dealing with.
“Art imitates life” the problems we face as a community predates Trap music. Yes slavery and economics play a massive part in the position our youths find themselves in today. Police brutality and The historic criminalisation of Black males also play a part because the majority of our youths who become involved come from single parent households where their fathers have also been involved in the criminal justice system.
Exclusion from school also plays a major part, the educators know they have failed Black boys and girls.
Black boys face racism from the police from an early age so trust in authority and the system that should protect them is eroded.
We need commitment in relationships prior to having children because when men have made a psychological commitment to a woman they make better fathers. Less single mothers.
By the time our sons get to trap music they have most likely experienced all the issues mentioned. So they identify with trap music.
Remove the music and the police will still racially profile your son, the teacher will still exclude our children and we will still receive less pay or be denied jobs based on race.
A little "loofah" vandross!
You can't blame music for a person faults alot of people want to blame their behaviour on music, Games and environment but in truth it just choice they just find it easier to past the blame then take responsibility for their actions. Trust me i have been on both side of life the road and legit and to be completely honest it was all my choice.
I think music is the biggest influence. Do we have to be rapping about stabbing man and drinking lean? That's why these youngers out here wilding.
Yes it does. If you watch a scary movie and turn the sound off it isn’t scary. Watch a sad video with sad music it’s sad,watch the same video with drum n bass and it ain’t sad no more
Really didn't want to be that person, but...
It's playing *a part* not apart.
*Apart* means separate from, etc.
Profit on people in jail c’mon the system is built this way not broken
Jungle in 94.
C’mon poet you know the system and government don’t wanna help certain things, the system isn’t broken. It was built this way .....
violemnt music =violent behaviour for sure right people in most cases
Loool paid in full was more real to is than scarface
of course they are some poeple born wicked you guys never heard of psychopaths?
Poet just constantly adding unnecessary shit. Dan talking about how music shapes you and poet finding the need to say "not solely" as if it wasn't the most obvious thing in the world.
link up and grime daily are not helping the situation with the content they release. We all know that SOME of there content glorifies gang lifestyle.Too many examples of draw from both here and the U.S
I vote poet to be the host of this shit. He gets it in way many different angles than chuckie.
Spell the title correctly please: Does music play a part in violence
Ngl started to feel bad for callum now