@@SpursBackOnTopdon't forget he got suckered punched by someone who is known as a killer and has over 5 bodies. You see your boy walk passed your car while you in there chilling and next thing you know there's a bunch of killers around your home who is by himself. What u doing? U getting out and fighting 5+ known killers or u gonna defend your homie? Cmon now we all know good n well that damn near everyone Vom was with had a gun bruh Tim ain't do shit But defend his man. If you think otherwise you just a Von 🥩 rider
The violence will never stop especially when it comes to gang violence. It's been an issue since the 60s (no pun intended) on up there's just more eyes on it now because of all the cameras etc now . I really wish these young dudes could leave the street life alone once they get a record deal . I understand it's not necessarily that easy sometimes but I wish they could just leave it behind and just work on the music .
Durk did the same thing when Nuski got killed nooooo it’s a picture of Durk screaming nooooo. Durk left his cousin Nuski that day and didn’t tell his cousin nothing.
Im from GA, about 30 min north of ATL. We have some very relaxed gun laws in the state (constitutional carry) which means anyone who can LEGALLY own a gun can carry one open or CC. Was Lil Tim not a convicted felon? Im suprised he got off on self defense even out here where its easier than other states?
Legitimately true and people seem to ignore this fact. I think it's easy for people to say banging is dumb or to just "put down the guns" but tbh I don't think it's really about gangs or sets anymore - if you're a kid and someone murders your friend, you'll carry it forever. Someone kills someone you love, you're going to act regardless of who the killer was.
Looks like quando and yb hiding and there mans that’s living regular lives are getting killed for what they started nice durk take off his crew if they hiding they will come out eventually.
nobody from the south will ever be scared of sb from tge midwest, we have a whole different type of breed down here, chicago is sweet asf compared to any major city in the south
@@Marcus-pj8eg the south is terrified the south never wanted this problem they had to accept it they never wanted von to die quando and yb are hiding there mans are getting killed bro everyday u don’t understand the south is not sliding durk hasn’t lost anyone other than von
@@trell4423 name one person durk lost oh yea u can’t I can name 10 people dead from the south from the beef ur a bum from the south slurping on them lol they don’t care about u
I'm a beyond us. I still think Derek is climbing something. He had nothing to do with with the death of pap. Because the Hoover's claim responsibility immediately after happened and said it wasn't Derek's work. But now that it makes him look good on social media. He's claiming to have something to do with it. But she clearly wouldn't do if he actually had something to do with it. Cause that With throw away his entire career, but then again. He's also said other stupid and ignorant s*** that's gotten half of his family killed behind him so he is an idiot.
Im a nerd type MF I like reading anime all that shit but I've been to jail,,chain gang been in car chases shoot outs had patnas gunned dwn ive been the robber the shooter the villain so lil durk saying what he said is a asinine He really a ghost
Old boy telling the story as it happens, he aint egging nothing on. These dudes, beef in the streets and beefin on the internet has nothing to do with ross.
You sound goofy being on house arrest not hiding 🤡 cause when he wasn’t on it he definitely was in them streets we heard about yb shooting his hammer never durk though
All the money in the world, anything you want right at your feet, the days of struggle are over....and you chose to risk it all over dumb shit. These guys need to realize that there is a whole world for them to now see and explore. Leave the street shit behind you and live life. I don't get what's so hard about that.
Quando stated in and interview his last grade completed with 6th grade because he was in and out of juve since age 12 so he quit school. Man aint slow he play dumb on the camera
Im pretty sure durks gonna get life eventually here. The police are seemingly protecting quando, whilst enticing and provoking him by setting tum free. Easy case and im sure these dummies think they're gonna get away with it. I know they hate trap though....😅😅😅
It's kinda silly braggin' about shooting somebody at a rappers fight, cause they know if it was a gunplay situation Von nem Cleary had the drop on them and could have easily been the other way around. Simply this should have just been a fight between 2 rappers, the end
Get your hat back means to even the score on the bodies. Bringing back hat means bring back his head lol cmon now Ross And how to did you not know 4KTrey stands for 4300 CHIPPEWA
First how quando claiming the body all he did was got punched on that ain’t gangster. Second I like NBA music but no one scared of dude he weighs 90 pounds. These dudes better pray they never go to prison they think those guns make the man
How is YB outside when he's on house arrest in the mountains of Utah. There aren't any Opps in Utah much less black people in general outside of Salt Lake City and a few other towns. YB is 🧢 Quando is 🧢 Lul Timm is 🧢
ALSO DURK AND HIS PEOPLE IF THEY REALLY GANGST THEYD KNOW VON GOT WHAT WAS EXPECTED AND IF IT WAS AN UNSANCTIONED ACTION HIM GOING TO ATTACK THEM (QUAndo TIM) THEY DID WHAT ANY REAL 1 WOULD DO WHICH IS PROTECT EACHOTHER AND IF YOU KNOW A MURDERER IS ATTACKING YOU YOU ELIMINATE THE THREAT YOU DONT HOPE HES GONNA NOT KILL SOME1 THIS TIME LMAO.......LIKE SOME OF VON MUSIC TOO BUT HE WASNT BEIN GANGSTA HE WAS BEIN STUPID BY DOING THAT SHT IM FROM CHICAGO TOO AND A LOT OF PEOPLE TEND TO THINK THEY THE ONLY GANGSTAS CAUSE THEY FROM CHICAGO THERES GANGSTAS EVERY WHERE
That's real.... people are getting it twisted. Anyone can get touched unless you are only calling hits from behind the scenes. And even then some other gangstas money is so long they can pay to get the inside from the other OPP
Why YB acting like he had something to do with it like it was a hit or something it wasnt his only involvment was beefing with von over a bish i get thats why von went to swing on qaundo and everything but it wasnt like a set up or back door and no hate i love YB hes an amazing artist so is durk im not any side jjst the Qaundo is trash
Ross sounds stupid as hell how you going to ask for a stop the violence or big NBA for trying to stop it but 2 seconds later say they need to keep making music about violence trap lore Ross isn't doing anything to help these situations if anything hes making the situation worse by bringing it to a wider audience and by a small chance throwing gas on the fire.
Ross you are beating a a little friendly move on from FBG duck I'm not saying all together I'm just saying start something new like Philly Drew start watching it at least
Listen what I’m going to say will probably piss some off hope most Will agree…. We have so many people out here playing victim, demanding things like reparations, saying their lives are oppressed these days by “ the white man” but not one of these men are gathering these young men and setting them down one on one and teaching them other ways of solving problems. Looking like a tough guy, saving face, or pushing power over another doesn’t make you a man… coming threw a situation with the best outcome possible no matter the hardships you endure instead of taking the easiest path makes you a man…. Maybe instead of people profiting off the struggle and deaths of these young men maybe one of you should get one of each of the gang members and sit them down to figure shit out the right way that is real content that I could get behind. Change the world when u can and when it’s not possible just don’t make it worse!
Oh no here come the opps for TLR. He better stay out that O block or them boyz gonna get him. They gonna slide on TLR for being a documentary RUclipsr, watch your back Lazer
Y’all are so green there is no way durk can squash no beef even if he wanted to von was a high ranking bd and loved by so many people this shit deeper than durk believe that it’s blood on this durk would be exhiled from a lot of shit please stop thinking everything’s a game just because they’re rappers it’s real street politics behind this shit
You seem to happy to report this but smudged and try to diminish King Von. Dude you are weird. How come you are not calling any of them serial killers like you did Von?!?! WTF!🤷🏽♀️
Von pulled out his dry cereal box during a few interviews I think he was trying to subtly imply his bodies Most other gangsters never shoot or kill anybody.
@@Flightsuit yes they do. Its more polarized since this is Chicago. Lots of rappers talk about multiple kills and bodies. After he died, they started putting multiple bodies on his name to close open cases.
How are all these guys not in jail? Everyone of these videos scream"R.I.C.O." Nothing is stronger then video, all proclaimed from their own lips, take theses videos they post and shut the front door.
Thing is they're only as big as they are us cus the violence.. I didn't know who quando Was until he had beef with von.. so ya it's sad but it's the violence that makes them
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Too many slow mfs got access to the internet and it’s scary
The yb meat riding is getting out of hand, this was painful to watch
Tim stood on business but I do wish they could have fought and walked away but somebody still would have ended up dead.
He needs to be gotten.
Cant respect a dude that shoot cus his homeboy getting whooped
@@SpursBackOnTopdon't forget he got suckered punched by someone who is known as a killer and has over 5 bodies. You see your boy walk passed your car while you in there chilling and next thing you know there's a bunch of killers around your home who is by himself. What u doing? U getting out and fighting 5+ known killers or u gonna defend your homie? Cmon now we all know good n well that damn near everyone Vom was with had a gun bruh Tim ain't do shit But defend his man. If you think otherwise you just a Von 🥩 rider
The Body Guard Threw Quando Onna Floor They Was Jumping Him Watch The Video Again & Again 💯
Dis why u run head up fades Von had it coming no cap
The violence will never stop especially when it comes to gang violence. It's been an issue since the 60s (no pun intended) on up there's just more eyes on it now because of all the cameras etc now . I really wish these young dudes could leave the street life alone once they get a record deal . I understand it's not necessarily that easy sometimes but I wish they could just leave it behind and just work on the music .
Social media pours gas in street beefs.
@Overeasyeggsoee what was the American population?
prolly like 100+ million@@bjrnthebootybandit
It's c
Actually very easy... VERY easy...
@@T.Maximus 💯💯💯💯💯
Durk did the same thing when Nuski got killed nooooo it’s a picture of Durk screaming nooooo. Durk left his cousin Nuski that day and didn’t tell his cousin nothing.
I seen da video his killers is actually dead tho we all kno this
Durk went into the store to buy sneakers lol Tf you talking bout
@@392JTthats what he missing 😂😂Duck got plucked and now they riding yb
Facts he went to buy kicks nd nuski was gonna dip to meet a shorty but got intercepted instead but someone fasho dropped his Lo
Trap lore really edging to drill rap beef
Yall dont get hood boys at all yb throwin straight threats. The whole “you want me to come with 1 or 100 chains” = you wont touch me
Pushing peace
Your stretching it now 😂. Milk much 💰. Man even admitted shedding a tear the night von passed 🤣
Im from GA, about 30 min north of ATL. We have some very relaxed gun laws in the state (constitutional carry) which means anyone who can LEGALLY own a gun can carry one open or CC. Was Lil Tim not a convicted felon? Im suprised he got off on self defense even out here where its easier than other states?
Most states have rules that even if you are not supposed to have a weapon, you're still allowed to use it in self defense.
The street game all about chess 🗿 to see who gets stretched next.
A lose lose game
@kapezee504
Most definitely ain't no winners...after all the O.G's die out the younger generation the new beginners.
My humble opinion quando is living on borrowed time. Wrote a check that's eventually going to get cashed
Allways a great show. From M.T.L Canada. Thank you
It's easy to say stop the violence but when it's lives lost tht type of beef will never end
Legitimately true and people seem to ignore this fact. I think it's easy for people to say banging is dumb or to just "put down the guns" but tbh I don't think it's really about gangs or sets anymore - if you're a kid and someone murders your friend, you'll carry it forever. Someone kills someone you love, you're going to act regardless of who the killer was.
I haven’t watched this video but from the caption it seems like quando and yb set von up to be at that club that night as if it was planned
Looks like quando and yb hiding and there mans that’s living regular lives are getting killed for what they started nice durk take off his crew if they hiding they will come out eventually.
nobody from the south will ever be scared of sb from tge midwest, we have a whole different type of breed down here, chicago is sweet asf compared to any major city in the south
@@Marcus-pj8eg the south is terrified the south never wanted this problem they had to accept it they never wanted von to die quando and yb are hiding there mans are getting killed bro everyday u don’t understand the south is not sliding durk hasn’t lost anyone other than von
Lol kid South dudes will never be scared 😂😂😂
@@trell4423 exactly
@@trell4423 name one person durk lost oh yea u can’t I can name 10 people dead from the south from the beef ur a bum from the south slurping on them lol they don’t care about u
TLR the 🐐
OTF Forever
i really love the way you ended that 18:12
yb and durk doing a show gotta be bs after all that happened
DUHHHHH💯🤦🏾♀️☠️ They are literally trolling
Bruh dont be startin nun cuz yb sayin he be talkn to durk rn 😭
He goin to get someone smoked fr lol
That’s 🧢 them 2 will never be cool. To much has been said and done💯💯💯
@@KnightTime-h1yblaming white man
And if you believe that i have a bridge in brooklyn for sale
How you post 12 hours ago time traveler
TLR is a CIA/Interpol Agent...
*co intel pro: 2023
lil durk like touching on lil boys he admitted talking about quondo, durk the voice of the depos
„Lul Tim”
Not another one !! NOOOOOOOOO!!
Von pack
@@based-ys9umgo to bed kid
I'm a beyond us. I still think Derek is climbing something. He had nothing to do with with the death of pap. Because the Hoover's claim responsibility immediately after happened and said it wasn't Derek's work. But now that it makes him look good on social media. He's claiming to have something to do with it. But she clearly wouldn't do if he actually had something to do with it. Cause that With throw away his entire career, but then again. He's also said other stupid and ignorant s*** that's gotten half of his family killed behind him so he is an idiot.
Yo I swear actually goes dummy. Lul Tim went dumbbbb
QUANDO REALLY ABOUT THAT LIFE
Im a nerd type MF I like reading anime all that shit but I've been to jail,,chain gang been in car chases shoot outs had patnas gunned dwn ive been the robber the shooter the villain so lil durk saying what he said is a asinine He really a ghost
The violence can stop but people like Trap Lord Ross constantly edge things on which turn our youth against each other as well as the music industry.
Old boy telling the story as it happens, he aint egging nothing on. These dudes, beef in the streets and beefin on the internet has nothing to do with ross.
You gullible if you believe that. Blood already been shed and bodies of real people they love, lost on both side. It's already too far.
Delusional.
If yo not from poverty don’t reply, you wouldn’t understand!!
@@GamerGirl_BRE Finish playing video games 🎮 🎯🥶
Banger
They got so many opps ain’t know way they talking about each other every single
Song! The old videos cool now you just making content😂
Tlr just trying ti get views smh. Hold this dislike
They are tho💯
3860 is pure gas
Von was leagues above them
That channel5 clip 😂
Kinda crazy that these gangs don't go after Ross🤣.
Young boy a punk easy to talk when u can't be found sorry people but hiding isn't hard its fake
Yb done put them to sleep 😢
They know where yb at Durk the one be hiding stop dk riding
You sound goofy being on house arrest not hiding 🤡 cause when he wasn’t on it he definitely was in them streets we heard about yb shooting his hammer never durk though
Do you think if they all met up at Taco Bell and ate bean burritos they could get slong
the clowns of the universe
slide for pangaanas
3860 is his house number
You slow fr 38 from yb hood and 60 is rolling 60
Everyone pls do a research on Trap Lore Ross… He’s against us. Quit using Black music for residual gains!!!💯💪🏽🙏🏽👑💙💙
🤡🤡🤡
1:22 you reachin bruh it dont snow in sav lmao maybe once every 5-10 years lol this why they hate yall youtubers/blogs
Hat is term for bodies not a fkn vroy hat....stop reachin.....this is the vulture shit we talkin bout...with these lil "clips"
How about you make a video and get some money then, instead of angrily typing to a British white boy with your thumbs. 🥱
Famous Richard the best who is this
Damn some one is gonna end up making a documentary about trap lore lmao “the RUclipsr that didn’t know his place”
😂
He comes to America all the time and they show him love
Hey may be a low key informant
Funny how you think you have all of this power. Learn your place!
@@truthtorpedo4068 hold my nuts
its 2-1 yb and quando are up by one now
They killed DThang also
@@bjrnthebootybandit🧢
Ross new live was privated. It was like an outa body experrrrience ma’am
All the money in the world, anything you want right at your feet, the days of struggle are over....and you chose to risk it all over dumb shit. These guys need to realize that there is a whole world for them to now see and explore. Leave the street shit behind you and live life. I don't get what's so hard about that.
You can tell Quando is slow whenever he speaks. No way he graduated highschool.
He still more successful that you'll ever be
@@JohnGotti256 😂 And you will always have more nuts in your mouth than I will too.
Quando stated in and interview his last grade completed with 6th grade because he was in and out of juve since age 12 so he quit school. Man aint slow he play dumb on the camera
@@KB-isG I don't see how what you just said proves he's not dumb.
Cause he won’t be able to make the songs he make and for real Classics
Im pretty sure durks gonna get life eventually here. The police are seemingly protecting quando, whilst enticing and provoking him by setting tum free. Easy case and im sure these dummies think they're gonna get away with it. I know they hate trap though....😅😅😅
It's kinda silly braggin' about shooting somebody at a rappers fight, cause they know if it was a gunplay situation Von nem Cleary had the drop on them and could have easily been the other way around. Simply this should have just been a fight between 2 rappers, the end
U sound mad if von would've killed quando u wouldn't be saying the same thing
@@bk_mobster7182exactly he dumb asf it was a whole group near bros mans I hope my homies do ts
Stop chasing clout for his album sales he would’ve been still here
Get your hat back means to even the score on the bodies. Bringing back hat means bring back his head lol cmon now Ross
And how to did you not know 4KTrey stands for 4300 CHIPPEWA
You need to quit trynna make money off them just making videos with old information
First how quando claiming the body all he did was got punched on that ain’t gangster. Second I like NBA music but no one scared of dude he weighs 90 pounds. These dudes better pray they never go to prison they think those guns make the man
I Wonder Do You Contact These Folks To Give Them A Portion Of Earnings From You Making A Living Off Them
How is YB outside when he's on house arrest in the mountains of Utah. There aren't any Opps in Utah much less black people in general outside of Salt Lake City and a few other towns. YB is 🧢 Quando is 🧢 Lul Timm is 🧢
ALSO DURK AND HIS PEOPLE IF THEY REALLY GANGST THEYD KNOW VON GOT WHAT WAS EXPECTED AND IF IT WAS AN UNSANCTIONED ACTION HIM GOING TO ATTACK THEM (QUAndo TIM) THEY DID WHAT ANY REAL 1 WOULD DO WHICH IS PROTECT EACHOTHER AND IF YOU KNOW A MURDERER IS ATTACKING YOU YOU ELIMINATE THE THREAT YOU DONT HOPE HES GONNA NOT KILL SOME1 THIS TIME LMAO.......LIKE SOME OF VON MUSIC TOO BUT HE WASNT BEIN GANGSTA HE WAS BEIN STUPID BY DOING THAT SHT IM FROM CHICAGO TOO AND A LOT OF PEOPLE TEND TO THINK THEY THE ONLY GANGSTAS CAUSE THEY FROM CHICAGO THERES GANGSTAS EVERY WHERE
That's real.... people are getting it twisted. Anyone can get touched unless you are only calling hits from behind the scenes. And even then some other gangstas money is so long they can pay to get the inside from the other OPP
That's real.
Damn the whole game is invented to fuck ourselves up 😢 damn 😢
Damnit I just missed the live but replay gang in full effect ☝🏾💯💯💯
Wellcome to 🇰🇪 a peaceful place no guns no rasits on police 🙏🙏🥰🫂👌
Dirk did the same thing with Nuski if you really come from that and witnessed that “YOU WILL BE TRAUMATIZED”
Either way DURK and YB will never rewlly get DIRTY like that they've got so much to lose
Bro is dropping a video everyday about yb and lil durk man is making money moves but be careful
Durk got all these fans fooled he got steppers round em but he ain step on shit ever
Bruh they not actually killing…. It’s the ppl behind the scenes
Enough already this don’t help… and you’re starting to be biased
He's not even from America
Why YB acting like he had something to do with it like it was a hit or something it wasnt his only involvment was beefing with von over a bish i get thats why von went to swing on qaundo and everything but it wasnt like a set up or back door and no hate i love YB hes an amazing artist so is durk im not any side jjst the Qaundo is trash
U talk about OTF and Chicago more we in Chicago do😭
this channel suck
Idk about that. Chicago kids never fail to let you know they from chicago so they hard lol
Is it anymore rappers you can talk about? I thought Yb and Durk trying to change man?..smh
Facts he won't bring that up
They were both trolling ya'll slow asf😂😂😂😂😂
@@supremeasaun649they were both trolling💯🤦🏾♀️ ya'll believe everything lmaooo
THEY will NEVER change!
@@GamerGirl_BRElemme hit
Slim didn’t kill Bon stop the 🧢!! Smurk is Ninga
Bruh don’t know shidd going in the city
Ross sounds stupid as hell how you going to ask for a stop the violence or big NBA for trying to stop it but 2 seconds later say they need to keep making music about violence trap lore Ross isn't doing anything to help these situations if anything hes making the situation worse by bringing it to a wider audience and by a small chance throwing gas on the fire.
King richard funny asf 11:07
Dont stir this TLR. We need peace on these streets. We dont tote knives here.
For sure
Culture vultures don't give af...
*they know they'll never be affected personally😒
Ross you are beating a a little friendly move on from FBG duck I'm not saying all together I'm just saying start something new like Philly Drew start watching it at least
16:20 anybody can kill anybody
Alot of informants at play
Bruh talking about “Vroy Hats” are the “Hats” they are talking about😂😂😂 boy a “Hat” is a body
Talent wasted
Listen what I’m going to say will probably piss some off hope most Will agree…. We have so many people out here playing victim, demanding things like reparations, saying their lives are oppressed these days by “ the white man” but not one of these men are gathering these young men and setting them down one on one and teaching them other ways of solving problems. Looking like a tough guy, saving face, or pushing power over another doesn’t make you a man… coming threw a situation with the best outcome possible no matter the hardships you endure instead of taking the easiest path makes you a man…. Maybe instead of people profiting off the struggle and deaths of these young men maybe one of you should get one of each of the gang members and sit them down to figure shit out the right way that is real content that I could get behind. Change the world when u can and when it’s not possible just don’t make it worse!
we aint readin all that brodie. sorry that happened to you
You don't see the men who are changing things because you're not in or looking in the places that the change is needed or taking place
🤔 That makes perfect sense @@remylebeau5212
W comment
@@remylebeau5212 where is this change taking place? Cause it sure do look like its going in the oposite direction.
Dj trap lore 22
Thats hilarious😂
This guy wants to throat yb and quando lol
Don't forget Von
If he ain’t speaking for durk but he speaking facts
Nobody even know who these ppl talm bout!! Smh
Booooooo👎🏽
Oh no here come the opps for TLR. He better stay out that O block or them boyz gonna get him. They gonna slide on TLR for being a documentary RUclipsr, watch your back Lazer
He better keep that ass in London
Him and lil tum is some goofy kids
He knows what he’s doing trying to break up the peace youngboy and durk talking about squashing the beef. Dude is a industry plant.
All the blood shed lil durk and yb would never be cook
Y’all are so green there is no way durk can squash no beef even if he wanted to von was a high ranking bd and loved by so many people this shit deeper than durk believe that it’s blood on this durk would be exhiled from a lot of shit please stop thinking everything’s a game just because they’re rappers it’s real street politics behind this shit
Trap you really want durk locked up wow get off your knees trap your Jaws are falling off ease up son!
17:06 damn I would
You seem to happy to report this but smudged and try to diminish King Von. Dude you are weird. How come you are not calling any of them serial killers like you did Von?!?! WTF!🤷🏽♀️
Facts
Cause you need 4 or more bodies
Von pulled out his dry cereal box during a few interviews I think he was trying to subtly imply his bodies
Most other gangsters never shoot or kill anybody.
@@Flightsuit yes they do. Its more polarized since this is Chicago. Lots of rappers talk about multiple kills and bodies. After he died, they started putting multiple bodies on his name to close open cases.
I swear is a fire song
😂😂😂😂😂😂
How are all these guys not in jail? Everyone of these videos scream"R.I.C.O." Nothing is stronger then video, all proclaimed from their own lips, take theses videos they post and shut the front door.
Because only dumb judges allow lyrics cause it’s a freedom of speech
Rn 3 people dead. Two on yb side. And 1 on durk side. They are no way ever gonna be cool.
3 dead on durk side and none dead on yb side cause lil pab was quando ppls
Is gone be lit
Thing is they're only as big as they are us cus the violence.. I didn't know who quando Was until he had beef with von.. so ya it's sad but it's the violence that makes them
Quando was most definitely known before the beef. Quando been known since like 2017-18
That's just YOU then. Cuz Quando BEEN hot before this beef💯💯💯🤦🏾♀️
You don’t know quando that’s crazy cause he bigger than von before beef and after and got way more hit songs
still talking about the same 3 people 24/7
Durk a clown
Bro aint u tired of milking from my people
Your people. Stop hating.
Why?@BAEHELPMERK
Really blaming him for talking about what's actually being done amongst "your people" by their own free will😂😂 crazy
Let’s this man be great… I mean you watchin ain’t you🤔
Oh lord smh as far as I'm aware these people are gangsters in America... so u make no sense, unless it's about color skin smh
4KT forever