Untrue….considering power is mostly still generated from fossil fuels, the same barrel of oil that used to create gasoline is also used to fuel power stations. If there was no longer demand for that barrel in gasoline production then the raw goods cost to create electricity is lower. In addition, alternative and improving forms of electricity production are coming to market daily further reducing the cost of electricity production. At current the increasing cost vector is not production but rather storage. Electricity can be generated quite cheaply. The problem occurs on the demand side when everyone wants the same power all at the same time. If we invest in power storage instead of demonizing fossil fuels, then we can more easily transition to electric vehicles.
@@donaldmarusak6501 I am genuinely confused as to how my explanation and providing factual information on these issues could elicit your response. At best, you replied to the wrong person and at worst you’re just trolling.
Another easy way to measure the current and cost is to buy a Kill-A-Watt which you plug into the outlet and then plug your car's cord into it. You program it for the cost per Kwh and it will show how much power you have consumed and how much it costs. It also shows voltage, amps, and cycles. Its less than $30.
My last bill was 1552 kWh for $170 or 10.8 cents per kWh including everything. I know my electricity is cheaper than hers but my point really is when they use those posted 0.17 per kWh or whatever it is they are accounting for the fees ect. They aren't just cherry picking the energy chrage rate alone which in my case is 10 cents. The extras only add almost another 1 penny. The reality is battery cars are just much cheaper to power if you compare electric to gas. Of course the Tesla is wicked expensive. It's much cheaper to purchase and operate a used 4 year old any typical gas/hybird/battery car vs a new Tesla if you do a price per mile comparison but Tesla is the luxury version of battery cars. You're paying for all the bells and whistles. Basic Service Charge ($0.45 x 29 Days) 13.05 Energy Charge ($0.10082 x 1,552 kWh) 156.47 Electric DSM ($0.00137 x 1,552 kWh) 2.13 Electric Fuel Adjustment ($0.00050 x 1,552 kWh) 0.78 Economic Relief Surcredit ($-0.00343 x 1,552 kWh) -5.32 Environmental Surcharge (1.520% x $167.11) 2.54 Home Energy Assistance Fund Charge 0.30 Total Charges $169.95
@@aceace605 Now my bill I just got comes out to 0.1596 per kwh which is about 1/3 more expensive than yours. So in order to get the real picture you would have to have an accurate percentage rate across the country. Now I'm not saying that electric isn't less expensive at the preset time compared to gas. But we also need to take into consideration all aspects, such as use of vehicle. I have a 3/4 ton truck with a diesel engine, I use it to haul heavy loads of lumber, how would that stack up to an electric vehicle? I'm an electrical engineer, so I'm not against electric anything. But I am a realist, and although it is useful it's no silver bullet. And I am sick and tired of the false claims. Now that goes for everything, not just this. Too much hype, too many lies. That is especially true for all of the alternate energy green crap. Nobody tell the whole truth. If they did, nobody would be behind it except those that are making the billions off of it. I hope you get my point.
@@rwells3376 - Yeah I live in one of the cheapest electric zones in the country. Sort of lucky there. I was just pointing out when they calculate the cost per mile on hybirds in videos like this they usually use the overall rate. The higher the cost of gas the better those battery cars look but you are also correct. You always have to compare apples to apples in function of car, maintenance of car, etc. A battery or hybird doesn't work very well in trucks yet. Therese a few smaller trucks but they sure aren't hauling a boat. I finally jumped into the hybird market about a year ago because I was looking for a small used car with high mpg where the maintenance or even purchase price wouldn't eat up the difference. I started looking at them back in the early 2000s but the prices difference back then and the risk of buying an expensive replacement battery couldn't offset the difference to gas even when it hit $4.00 a gallon for a year or so. There's still trade offs on top of that. We bought a Prius prime which is fairly comfortable but it only seats 4 specifically because battery cars are incredibly weight sensitive. Generally we're solo or duo in it for commutes and we deliver sometimes as well. It's great for that but you can't haul much. I'm still a little worried about maintenance. Oil changes are easy but I'm not sure about things like brakes, etc. I usually change my own brakes but I don't know how simple or hard it is on this prius. I will say the oil is very simple with both the plug and filter being right out of a covered area from the bottom. It's easier than my GMC Truck which has a convoluted access to the filter from the top through a bunch of other components.
@@aceace605 The real issue I was addressing was the accuracy of info. For example, when they post KW used, that is a problem. Electricity is measured in KWH, and then that doesn't take into consideration all of those extra fees I mentioned in my first comment. So if you were to calculate the KWH used at the rate charged, it would be inaccurate because of all of the extra charges on your bill. So the person contemplating an electric vehicle would think it would be much cheaper to operate then what it really is. Very misleading !!! Now maintenance is another issue all together. Years ago I worked as a mechanic. I has $30k invested in tools, and as the cars rapidly changed the cost of tools was soaring. I was giving up about25% 0f my paycheck to the tool trucks every week. It got to the point that I decided to stop spending that much on tools and soon after I changed careers because of it. Now we are entering a realm of vehicles that are so vastly different and much more complicated that the average mechanic will need a degree to wok on these cars. This will drive down the mechanics available and drive the repair cost up. Once again another unsuspecting result to passed on to the consumer. When you start talking about regenerative braking, inhub motors, motor controllers and all of that computer controlled, which requires specific diagnostic equipment, where does that leave the average person? You do know electric cars were here before internal combustion cars, and for these and several other reasons they failed to become a mainstay transportation source. And then we haven't even started to talk about the carbon emissions to produce the power, the chemicals and rare earth elements in the batteries, just to start. This is no silver bullet, but it is a great way for the wealthy to get even wealthier. And that is what this is all about. Do a real analysis of the cost and carbon created to produce a solar panel, or a wind generator, take into consideration the life expectancy and the maintenance costs and you will see it for what it really is.
Glad you called out variable electrical pricing. This is common in a few parts in the United States and worth being aware of because that will greatly affects the return on investment from going with an electric vehicle. In terms of price gouging concerns, just like gas stations and oil companies, they’re pretty content with profits that hit a certain margin and know that if they go to out-of-control they lose their customer. Some thing I think a lot of folks will forget because people simply don’t understand the way energy economics work and there’s a lot of the hood that doesn’t relate to politics and greed. That being said, the other thing to remember is that some states have publicly owned utility rates. Publicly owned utility grids, while not the only form of ownership, are going to be pretty steady in price and are very unlikely to price gouge unless some kind of new bill is passed by your legislation that allows them to change the cost of the energy production or energy dispersement. So all in all people should feel safe about the cost of electricity, especially when renewable energies are slowly becoming more capable and hopefully will be main stream in the next 5 to 10 years making electricity more affordable than it is currently.
"know that if they go to out-of-control they lose their customer." How is the typical customer of an electric company going go? Usually there is only one choice of an electric company.
@@phillman5 that’s not a hard-fast rule. Usually you’d be right but you also have non private entities controlling electric stations. But you also need to remember that running electric costs rampant will bring forward other business opportunities and collapse the profitability of private energy options. There’s a balance, and everyone knows that price gouging forces market shifts - especially when exposed.
Har, that's FATE!!! >: D The 100% REAL TRUTH about electric cars, is that your ASS will be sitting like right ontop of a NUCLEAR POWER PLANT all the motherfuckin' time. So say hello to RADIATION CANCER, and say goodbye to LIFE!!! Now if THAT doesn't kill ya soon enough already, then the ELECTRIC FIRES and EXPLOSIONS most certainly will... Next best thing to owning a 1970s Ford Pinto, if ya asked me! Need I say more???
So as soon as my utility company was aware i had a tesla .... they lowered my rate and made me aware of all the locations of rhe city chargers and allso directed me to where there where free. FREE. Charge stations. That were either 48 amp or 60 amp speedy chargers. FYI. I traded in my f 350 supercrew king ranch 32 gallons was a xost of 156 dollars per fill up 310 mile range i spent 1200 a month on gas. So fsr comparatively wirh both home and tesla fast chargers ive spent in one month 309 dollars and my SVR mod 3 dual motor gets me 290 miles in performance full mode and in chill 319 miles im totaly good with this its an easy choice to have money in my front pocket and not have some gas station guy ask if i have a kick back card .... while stealing my money for gas
@@nafnaf0 The national average for gasoline year round is around $2.00 give or take so (although it is going up), so about half the "fuel" cost to drive an EV...
For those considering buying an EV for environmental reasons; I think it's important to understand where your electricity comes from. In my case it's coal imported by train from West Virginia and some has started to be imported by ship from another country.
Or what happens when the batteries service life is over. What happens to the battery is it recycled? But under a mountain? Shipped to India to pollute over there?
That's great for your area, but it's not the case in all areas. A lot of areas are using wind and water to power homes and businesses. Oh yeah, there's that. That coal you are talking about, and the wind and water I'm talking about? It's already being used for so much more. People that are against EV's always point this out, acting like all of a sudden ALL the coal is now going to be used to power the evil electric car. They conveniently leave out the fact that charging your electric car is a small fraction of the electricity used for everything else. Take her example. Her monthly electric bill was over $500. She figures that the portion of that that goes to her Tesla is $35. A small fraction of that bill.
And where the batteries come from. The massive lithium mines, earth moving equipment, massive freighter ships to ship the materials, the massive electrical grid infrastructure that's going to be needed in future along with all the steel and copper mined to produce the materials for it.
@@Andrewkc1969 They are getting rid of coal steam turbine power all over the country. Wind turbines produce a tiny fraction of electricity for the USA and their manufacturing, disposal is a huge polluter along with the millions of birds they kill every year, on top of that they are a huge eyesore for almost every landscape. So where is the power going to come from? There is lots of talk about tearing out Hydro electric plants and some are already being removed. Again, where is the electric power going to come from to power all these electric vehicles?
@Chris Anthony Yeah, you can thank Joe Manchin for the fact that WV still uses coal! Ideally as more politicians start thinking about the planet and not personally making a profit, electricity sources will get cleaner. And every homeowner has the option of going solar and charging their EV that way. Of course, solar itself has an environmental impact and usually it takes 5-6 years until it's seen as "good for the environment".
it makes even more sense to get an ev in europe, in my country gas prices are 50% more than in la and electricity is 5 cents for off-peak and 10 for peak hours so $25 vs $60 tank is more like $5-10 vs $90
@@MaxAigner Was going to mention that! Had a compact 1.1L gasoline car that used 4L/100km (Yes I drive like that) then last year, I got the E-version which uses 134Wh/km (measured from the socket) which cost me 38 US cents/kWh at home, which is $5.33. However gasoline is $ 7.34 for 4 liters atm, so I'm not saving that much! If I use public chargers, I'd save nothing. Electricity is more expensive in Europe compared to gasoline, than it is in the US, even if gasoline is more expensive.
Yea, in the UK gas is equivalent to $6.50 a gallon, however overnight electricity can be as low as 6 cents a kw/h. There's a BIG difference. However, EV vehicles tend to do well in hot climates like California whereas colder places can see a reduction of 50% in range.
SO SHE SAVES $25 PER TANK but spent a huge amount of $70,000 buying the EV (versus buying gasoline car for just 15-20,000 dollars). Benjamin Franklin called that “Penny wise but dollar foolish.” .
Some things to consider when comparing gas to electric. Compare to cars YOU would own, not cars that have the highest gas mileage. People don't necessarily by a Tesla to save on gas, although they most certainly will. There's performance, automation and low maintenance as reasons to buy one. I moved from a Camaro SS to a Tesla, so when I do comparisons, I compare the Camaro to the Tesla , not a Corolla to the Tesla. So, for more performance, I'm saving a whole lot in gas. As for charging at home. If you have a level 2 charger or a 14-50 (50 amp) plug installed, you can schedule the car to start charging during off-peak hours. So my car starts its charge after 10pm. People that use regular 110 or 120 Volt (15-20amps) outlets will find it harder to use schedule charging because of how so the car charges. So getting a 14-50 plug installed will do wonders and should pay for itself in the long run.
I sort of agree with you. But she is trying to give an average example, so she compared using an average ICE car. I have a XC40 Volvo Recharge that I use as my daily driver, and a 2020 Corvette. even me using that example doesn't work. Why doesn't it work? Because most of the time I am driving my electric, which means I'm not driving my Corvette. One could easily argue that I'm saving money simply because I'm not driving my Corvette. This is all about comparison for data sake, not reality. The nice thing about an EV is that it doesn't matter if it's a Prius or a Porsche, the electricity costs the same. Not so in the ICE model.
Did you consider the lifespan of the vehicle. What's the value of the Tesla when the battery goes bad and can you recycle the battery, how much is a new battery. My shop works on hybrids and the vehicle is usually sold for scrap or parts when it's time for a new battery.
Curious. What’s the lifetime of the batteries? What’s the replacement cost of the batteries? What’s the impact on the environment of mining nickel for those batteries?
10 years. And there non recyclable. Uses petrol to extract lithium uses petrol to refine lithium. Uses petrol to manufacture vehical. Imagin if these dumb asses spent a tad more time in making the gasoline engine more efficient, and put a proper filter on the exhaust.... but no here we are with our thumbs up our asses. You cant put a price on stupid... oh wait.....
What really makes this video valuable and informative, is the fact that you can actually hear every word. There is absolutely no annoying overdubbing noise or muzak, like you often find in lousy commercials and worthless documentaries.
@@josephfriday2661 but I wouldn't trust the information because like maybe it's not right because like maybe everyone pays for her link and she really doesn't have to look at her bill because like maybe I'm not sure what kilowatts and maybe I don't know what gas tank converges to and like maybe I wouldn't trust this chick with anything because like maybe omaze is selling a house and like maybe I don't know there used to be where you can like maybe get a discount and maybe if you get my point maybe you'll understand this chick has no clue
$578 utility bill! Damn! Here in Louisiana our long summers are hell and A/C run continuously and my bill is around $200 and I have a total elec. home. I am a little doubtful of her story.
So 20 miles per kilowatt hour. My gas engine car does way better and doesn't cost thousands of dollars to replace the battery. EV has a long way to go imo.
We have tiered pricing here and we just set our car to automatically start charging during the off peek hours. That way we don’t even have to think about it. Set it and forget it!
My electric plan is free nights, so I have 8pm to 8am where my charge is 0.0 per kWh. I wait until after 8pm to charge my car (and do other electric-intensive things like run the washer/dryer and dishwasher and turn down the AC). This means my car charging is free. It's worth looking into if your electric company offers it.
I have property in Oregon where we have Hydro electric our house electric bill is over $400 a month and we have a propane water heater and range. My business electric bill is over $800.00 a month and we have oil heat.
For my Tesla Model 3 Standard Range it’s $24-29 a month. I charge almost every night during Off-Peak times. I drive 1700 miles a month. I used to get about 350 miles to the tank in my Toyota Corolla (13.2 Gal tank). 1700 miles is 4.85 tanks of gas. Currently gas is $4.12/Gal where I live. ($4.12 x 13.2) x 4.85 = $263.76 So basically the cost to home charge is 10% of the cost of gas.
what is your electricity cost, cuz damn that seems low. my electricity in the LA area is .35 a kwh. Also you did not use your full tank each time or you would be stuck somewhere every time. these rounding errors add up when you try to show EV as the be all. for me gas is 5/2 more expensive than gas. and thats at the crazy gas prices. still a savings for sure but not 10% aka 10 times less expensive
@@kirbyrules55 Toyota says estimated 342 mile range on my old Corolla, so 350 was actually generous. I’m driving my Tesla more than I drove my old car, because We used to use my wife’s van on the weekends and for errands. So I was actually getting worse gas mileage during those times. In Phoenix AZ, my electricity cost is $0.05146 per KWh when I charge (Off-Peak). Comes out to about $1 every time I charge back up, there is also a Super Off-Peak charging rate of $0.03166 between 10am-3pm, but I rarely am charging at that time, however that’s what makes my charging cost fluctuate. If I just look at my old commute and take out the other driving, my work commute was 300 miles a week, so 1200 miles a month. I had to fill up each week about 10 gallons. At the time when I bought my Tesla, gas was around $3.15/Gal. So $3.15 x 10 x 4 = $126 a month. So if say look at my charge cost, $1/day x 20 days, then I was paying about 6x more for gas for my daily commute each month. It’s the gas savings using the Tesla for weekend and errand driving that gets me to about 10x difference. I hope that helps. Obviously the electricity cost is widely different depending on where you live. I average about 19 KWh per recharge (basically charging about 100 miles of range back to the car). So if my cost was like yours, $0.35 per KWh x 19 = $6.65 per fill up. That wouldn’t be a savings.
Costing you an extra $2500/year (higher cost of ownership than corolla) for the privilege of saving $1900/yr using cheaper electricity than gas. For your high yearly mileage, a Tesla makes more sense since you are overall paying $600/yr more PLUS not using any gasoline. :) For me, a Tesla doesn't make sense over my Prius. I travel much, much less than you, 625 miles/month. (7.5 years and at 56000 on odometer). I drive much less in the past 2.5 years due to working from home vs a 36 mile round trip commute to work for the first 5 years I owned the prius. These days I fill up 9 gallons once every 2 months since I work from home. So for the past year, I have spent about $216 in gas for the entire year. I did my prius, long term trip meter says I get 48mpg (Trip B meter over the last 9600 miles) over the 7.5 years I owned it, I have total of 56k miles so round to 7500 miles/year Tesla gets 0.24 kWh/mile. It costs me 11 cents per kWh for electricity (Atlanta) If I had a tesla, the 7500 miles would take 1800 KwH or $198/yr Precovid gas $2.40 at 155 gallons a year = $375/yr Covid gas is $4 at 155 gallons a year = $625/yr So for me, in 2022 the cost to home charge would be 32% of the cost of gas, saving $35.60 a month at $4/gal (saved only $14.80/month during precovid gas prices) Precovid, 53% the cost of gas Cost of 2014 Tesla 3 $71k - $7.5k tax credit Cost of my 2014 Prius Four - $26k Let's use 4yr loan, Tesla interest $5300, Prius interest $2300 Own car for 10 years, Tesla resale value is 31% ($19700 per caredge site) Prius is 30% ($7800) Cost per year: Tesla $4900, Prius $2050 (purchase + interest - resale) 6 years of gas precovid = 2250, 4 years covid gas 2500 = $475gas / year 10 years of Tesla electricity $1980 Cost of Ownership and Usage: Tesla $5100/yr Prius $2525/yr It would have cost me $2575/yr MORE to get the privilege of saving $277 a year using only electricity instead of gasoline. Not adding maintenance since $50 to change my oil once a year is neglible, and in 7.5 years I have needed no repairs. I'm assuming the Tesla is also maintenance free over the same time span, not needing any dealer servicing work and charges. Your calc is a little off since corolla is 31 city / 40 highway. You never put 13.2 gallons in the tank because no one fills up after running empty on the side of the road. My prius tank is 11.9gallons and in 7.5 years, I've never ever been able to put 10 gallons in it even when I thought I was running on fumes. Your Corolla for 1700 miles should cost $189/mo at $4/gal and 36mpg, not $263. So 1/6th not 1/10th but I think when you go from $189 to a low $30 we're just splitting hairs! :)
You can't ever put 13.2 gallons in the tank, though. My prius capacity is 11.9 but I have never in many years ever put more than 10 gallons in the tank, ever. Going by 36mpg, your fillup is closer to 9.7 gallons, not 13.2. But as I said in my other comment, your high miles per year does not make a tesla a bad investment at all :) If you were driving that Corolla 1700 miles a month, I'd suggest getting a job that didn't require you to travel as much (averaging 50mph, that's 17 days spent in your car, at average 25mph, thats 34 days spent in your car)
This is a good idea as preconditioning doesn’t cause any wear and tear on the battery it uses your household current. Just follow the 80:20 rule: try not to charge above 80% and drop below 20%. I’ve followed this for my car and has only dropped a few percent in capacity in 6 years.
Days in billing cycle 58. So this is a 2 month bill. thats $10 a day. The average distance for car gas tanks is sized for 300 miles. Unless you have a diesel truck which can get up to 600. a 50mpg car would need 35gallons of gas at a generous $3 would be $105. But for most cars the size of a Tesla expect that to be more like $200. You are paying $36 for 700 miles that is one serious savings.
Thanks for the informative video! I highly recommend getting the 30 amp plug installed, I got it done for around 300 and the charging rate went from 7 miles to 22 miles per hour.
I have one too, but for Shelby that’s a year of electric costs or two years even. And then she still pays for the power. So as long as she’s not in a big hurry… she’s literally saving 2 years worth of charge costs.
just 22 miles per hour of charging rate? are you sure it is that low? ican spend 5 minutes at a gas pump and drive 400 miles and not worry about lightning strikes shutting my car off.
The difference between a standard plug-in 110 volt like Shelby has and the after market power ped (240 volt) is HUGE! The 110 volt charges 1-2 miles per hour. The 240 volt charges 30 miles per hour. I'm guessing Shelby relies on superchargers, but if you live some place more rural you should install the 240 volt power ped. You can save money on it by just buying the adaptor which is $50 and wiring it yourself, or hiring an independent electrician. TESLA will try and sell you the $500 power ped and having their own electricians install it for an additional labor cost. I'll make a video about it.
@Advanced Driving Cost efficiency is for people with less money to play around with. A lot of people don't care one bit about the cost and they pay for something they like and have fun with. I never ever take public transportation and I pay for a taxi whenever I need to go somewhere without my own car. That's not cost efficient, but it's a heck of a lot better. Same goes for a Tesla vs any other car anywhere near the price segment.
That’s misleading, it’s actually 4-5mph on a 110v outlet which is 40-50 miles recuperated in 10 hours which normally people sleep for 8 hours and spend 2 hours at home. MOST people spend more time than that at home. And MOST people don’t drive 40-50miles a day.
The Tesla “power ped” is actually called a WALL CONNECTOR which is a permanent fixture and charges at 50mph. Tesla does not make money from the electricians that install these things. The find an electrician page on their website is just to help their customers.
If your able to only use a 110 outlet to charge your car you must not do very much driving. With a 110 outlet you probably only drive like 30 miles a day. would take like 24 hours to fully charge a dead tesla battery with a 110 outlet.
@@timbuckohfive2751 no worries, it was a quote from an older meme! I give kudos to both you & your mission- my own is to bring awareness to those living with chronic disabilities. I’m legitimately not mad at your comment- you have something to stand up for and speak up for and you saw a chance to educate others. In my own opinion, writing articles (Medium, NewsBreak, starting your own blog, ect.) and creating content such as TikToks & RUclips videos to bring awareness in a way that gets through to viewer works WAY more than piggybacking off a comment on a video. Sure, you get an audience perhaps- so if you’re looking to rant in addition to helping this videos metrics, please continue on. But, if you’re looking to truly make a difference, perhaps reevaluate the way you are communicating with others!
If you came to Tennessee we pay about 10c kWh. No tiers, plug in whenever you want. Charging using 120v is slightly less efficient than 240v. Adding a 240v outlet would save a little, but probably not enough to pay for the install cost. As for utilities increasing the cost of electricity, this isn't that likely (electricity is a regulated industry). But to be devils advocate lets say electricity goes up 4x in price next year. Well then, you buy solar panels and use less grid electricity. The incentive to go solar would be strong because electricity is used for your whole home, not just your car.
Your state needs a stronger price signal to incentivise peole to use less power. Here in Oz, my power is 40c / kwhr. No problem, my rooftop solar covers this and I receive a $3k pa cheque form the power company every year for the power I feed back to the grid. See how it works ? Your state needs to drastically increase the cost of lower to reduce consumption.
Excellent point! She could get even 2-4% more savings from higher voltage but it wouldn’t offset the cost of the charger until like 10 years had passed so… not great.
I'm and engineer and I think this is a really good and practical explanation. Her numbers made sense, and because all the charging "smarts" are in the car, the app will show an accurate reading. Of course now the price of gas is probably twice what she was paying in 2021, so more savings. Thanks,
No, there are charging losses of up to 20% between the plug and internal charger that are not accounted for in the app. Also, "about 700 miles" is questionable data. I mean, how hard is it to reset an odometer/trip meter? It is apparent you are not an EE.....
Good job explaining this. I wonder, as a consumer of the power grid with your electric vehicle - 1) do you get that the grid is mostly powered by fossil fuels? 2) the Chinese are extensively involved in manufacture of electric vehicle parts and 'alternative' fuel sources, meaning we will further be dependent on the CCP? 3) are you utterly confident the power grid will never be taken down?
Another aspect to cost of operation is: How much interest do you pay on your car loan over the loan life? Insurance cost per month/year? Tesla's are not maintenance free so what kinds of repairs are there going to be on your Tesla in year 1, year 2 etc. Tesla makes a great vehicle no doubt. I'm just someone who gets nervous about a battery dying while in the middle of a journey. That goes for phone batteries, camera batteries, flashlight batteries....anything battery operated basically. I can fill my 20 gallon tank in about 5-7 minutes and get a highway cruising range of 375-425 miles. Sure it's expensive but it feel more free to me.
LOL I’ve had my BMW i3 for three years now and I don’t have a wallbox either; been charging by Type 1 all the time and it works just fine as long as you can be sure that all of the electricity stuff has been installed properly
Solar on houses is not free, your panels give the power to the utilities and they sell it back to you at a discount, they are just using you to become part of the grid and make money off of you.
@@Frank00 actually it depends from state to state and even town to town. But still you have some ways to just use solar panel for non-house related products. So yeah renewable energies have the best ROI. (Not an investment advice)
Before anyone buys an electric car please look at the Volvo report. This shows that the co2 in producing an electric car is massive so much so you would be better buying petroleum right upto the 90,000th mile after this the electric car is better for the planet but this does not include the reduced battery use and it would not be long before you would look at a replacement. If you don’t normally drive 90,000 miles in your car the the best thing for the planet is buy a modern petrol engine car and run it into the ground. Battery is not the way to go right now it may be in the future. Finding a way to produce hydrogen in a clean and cheap way would be a way of us traveling just as we are now filling up at stations traveling up and down the country. Wishing every one well James
Here in Alberta, Canada, our electricity rates are very low compared to California. CDN$0.05 p/kWh. Over 4 months we spent CDN $60 on electricity for our SR MY with roughly 7,500kms.
Living in Calgary the rate is about 28 cents per kwh. You likely looked only at the line which states the provider rate. You have to add in all the other charges. Simply add up kwh consumption and divide by total electricity cost.
Governments will adjust to this trend to EV dependency and will likely start charging more with a tier system for heavier electricity use in the future. Luckily those changes are usually gradual so hoping the prices stay lower over the next 10 years or so.
I do solar in Palm Springs for Sunrun, Tesla on order. We sell cheaper power than SCE we could see if your property is eligible and lower your PS property energy costs by 30-50%, might not work for you but worth looking into.
SO SHE SAVES $25 PER TANK but spent a huge amount of $70,000 buying the EV (versus buying gasoline car for just 15-20,000 dollars). Benjamin Franklin called that “Penny wise but dollar foolish.” .
@@electrictroy2010 You are exaggerating her numbers drastically. This model 3 was right under $40,000 and her second choice was a gas-Audi for almost the same price. Yes she is saving money.
Well when you already have blackouts in biggest state's in America imagine when you have too charge your car and the electric comes from somewhere like coal.
Har, that's FATE!!! >: D The 100% REAL TRUTH about electric cars, is that your ASS will be sitting like right ontop of a NUCLEAR POWER PLANT all the motherfuckin' time. So say hello to RADIATION CANCER, and say goodbye to LIFE!!! Now if THAT doesn't kill ya soon enough already, then the ELECTRIC FIRES and EXPLOSIONS most certainly will... Next best thing to owning a 1970s Ford Pinto, if ya asked me! Need I say more???
Which just points out how shitty the US power grid is, how much we rely on coal , and how far behind we are in keeping up with the population growth. France is smaller than Texas yet it has 56 nuclear power plants compared to just two in Texas (the US total is 88).
Omg yess thank you for posting this! We were just talking about how we want to hopefully get a Tesla in the future so this is SOOOO helpful!! We wish you and everyone else positivity and hope your weekend is amazing!❤️🙏
SO SHE SAVES $25 PER TANK but spent a huge amount of $70,000 buying the EV (versus buying gasoline car for just 15-20,000 dollars). Benjamin Franklin called that “Penny wise but dollar foolish.” .
@@electrictroy2010 It is insanity. These clown cars are still powered by fossil fuels. The build quality is insanely poor and can only be serviced by Tesla dealers!!! Read - big bucks. And good luck in waiting for spare parts! Musk is the only one coming out ahead and the con is played on anyone who buys one.
That's coming. You don't find any emergency response vehicles, ambulance, fire engines, police vehicles, powered by this nonsense. Lithium battery is good for powering flashlights and power tools. Professional landscapers don't even use battery power tools and that should tell you something when those guys have already figured it out!!!
that's why there won't be EVs everywhere anytime soon. the power grid can't handle it, n politicians n power companies know that. I.C.E vehicles have been around for over a 100 years n will be around for many more years.
I'm an energy analyst for a solar company that specializes in energy rates in California. It looks like you're only TOU-D-4-9PM with SCE with your Palm Springs house. I would take advantage of switching your rate to TOU-D-Prime; only people who have an electric car, solar, batteries, or electric heat pump can be on this rate. I see that most of your energy usage is during off-peak and you're paying $.29/kWh for that while PRIME has off-peak for $.17/kWh Also, would highly recommend getting solar and batteries for your palm springs house!! Really good investment for the long run. If you have any questions about this, please let me know. Always want to make sure people are getting the best rate for their energy because utility companies SUCK.
We're homesteading and taking steps to be fully self sustaining in the country. My small RUclips channel shows our progress with chickens, duck eggs, gardening, and adding cows, solar power and cistern water collection soon. Also digging our own well. But most importantly, we consume less, and what we do consume is almost all used and we pride ourselves in refurbishing items to give them new life instead of going into a landfill.
At current gasoline prices I'm spending about 10 cents a mile(28 MPG) compared to you spending 5 cents a mile for electricity. That's a 50% difference! But I'd like to see a vehicle cost comparison to see if there are any savings in the long run?
It’s a 50% difference in fuel costs but that’s far from the only cost. I would not buy something this complex when only one company can service it. Tesla will not publish repair manuals for any other shops to repair. Also they are hard on tires and that can be a large expense
@@tomdavis3038 Yes, indeed. And although I've not done a cost comparison I imagine the premium one pays for a Tesla negates any cost savings of electricy over gasoline. And it's amazing to me that the "go green" folks don't realize that much of our electricity comes from coal and gas fired plants.
@@tomdavis3038 "Also they are hard on tires and that can be a large expense" People who drive ANY performance car with "vigor" will go through tires. My neighbor has a really nice Mustang. He replaces is rear tires like most people change their underwear (yes, that's an exaggeration). That's not the Mustangs fault. That's the operators fault. I've yet to hear a person with a $50,000 Corvette defend there purchase to a Ford Focus owner considering the Focus is (was) a MUCH less expensive car to purchase and drive. " Tesla will not publish repair manuals for any other shops to repair." Because they don't want any ol' fool with a multimeter thinking they can work on a high-voltage system. Do you not own a Tesla because YOU can't do the repair yourself or because YOU can't afford the car? My guess is it's the latter. FYI...service manuals ARE available for any Tesla. :-)
@@phillipzx3754 "Because they don't want any ol' fool with a multimeter thinking they can work on a high-voltage system." What makes you think Tesla Gods are the only ones that know how to repair electric vehicles? Admit it this is a sore point that Tesla will loose in the end. What if GM, Ford, Mercedes etc all required that ANY repairs will be performed by them ONLY and not only during warranty but for the lifetime of the vehicle? Cost of ownership of vehicles would be a lot higher due to this monopolistic approach. Tesla is enjoying a good run for now but the major manufacturers , you know the ones that make vehicles the past 100 years are catching on and some have surpassed Tesla (Benz, Porsche, and Audi to name a few)
@@AB-jz9ns " What makes you think Tesla Gods are the only ones that know how to repair electric vehicles? " I never claimed any such nonsense. Tesla does things "their way." If you don't like it, so be it. "What if GM, Ford, Mercedes etc all required that ANY repairs will be performed by them ONLY and not only during warranty but for the lifetime of the vehicle? " I'd say that's their right and if I don't agree I should buy something else. The fact is Tesla ISN'T like those other brands which is one of the reasons people WANT them. " Cost of ownership of vehicles would be a lot higher due to this monopolistic approach. " That's your opinion. You have no idea what would happen because (until Tesla came to be) it's never been in practice. Your evidence would be anecdotal at best.
Um, what car is getting 600 miles per tank of gasoline? I want to know!. Most cars are getting on a high end about 450 miles for a tank of gas if it’s an 1820 gallon tank on a relatively fuel-efficient automobile. Even hybrids don’t get that much because they have smaller tanks.
Why would the values change in a year? Electric companies keep power costs fairly predictable with small raises of a penny or two only every 5-10 years if that. The car will be similarly efficient, just overall hold less charge over time, losing around 2% of its overall range per year… but again that won’t affect charge costs/rates.
@@WarlordXial I would think that a car is at peak performance when it leaves the factory. As time goes by all those moving parts wear. Tires are not maintained optimum. Is that 2% efficiency loss just in the battery or total car?
If you add in the cost of diesel fuel used to mine the lithium and then add in cost of disposal in non recyclable batteries, going green doesn't look so green
California PG&E kWh costs are now 51 cents per kWh during peak hours, lowest is 43 cents non-peak hours, this is now equivalent to having a gas vehicle that gets 30 mpg.... ya'll already fked it up before it even started.
Awesome vid! You broke it all the way down in a way that makes it easy to figure out and understand the cost of charging a ev. You covered all the angles, thanks. It all works so long as the electricity co. keep the rates down
Yeah, and at night in the cold your car loses charge. Its like having a hole in your gas tank that drains away money as you sleep. Absolute crap technology. The elements in the batteries are far worse to the environment than good old gasoline, hell you can use ethanol from corn if you want to pull the greenie card.
@@tonybrown9875 Petrol cars can lose a bit of mileage in the cold too you know? All cars suffer in the cold, especially if it's extreme. With Teslas (and probably most other EVs), you can set a threshold to the battery and leave the car plugged in to warm it up without using the battery to make it comfortable before a drive to avoid the need of turning the heat on while driving, which in turn gives you more range. After all, a lot of the range lost is caused by the heating and not so much by the weather itself, relatively speaking. The bill may be a bit higher, but at least you're keeping the range. What it can affect significantly is the charging speed, but that's besides the point. And the elements themselves are not worse. What is worse is their extraction. Big difference.
Considering that the car battery can take anywhere from between six and twelve hours to charge here is a conversation I would probably have with my brother: Me: Hey Bro, I am driving down for a visit. I wanna show you my new electric car. See you soon. Brother: Great. What time will you be leaving Me: I plan on leaving tomorrow about 8am Brother: Great! See you this evening, will leave the light on. Me: Oh no, I won’t be there for about three to five days. Brother: Ah, so you plan on stopping to see the sights. Me: No. The only stopping I will be doing is to charge my electric car. See you in about a week LOL
No one wants to tell the whole story like this. Funny how easy many are fooled that there's something better about EV when in fact, there really isn't long term.
My thought exactly, have 2200 sq.ft. home and at most my electricity bill in 100° blistering Texas heat keeping my home at 75 has been $280 and we pay .12 a kwh.
I was thinking the same thing. We keep the AC at 75 and raise it to 78 when leaving the house for long periods of time. Even with these 100 plus degree days our bill has not passed $200.
what about 7-10 years later when your battery needs to be replaced? If there are any savings to be had then it's out the window when you need to replace your battery at $5,000-$12,000.
How about charging losses? Does the app consider them as well? If not, I you may want to add some 20% to your calculation, that seems realistic for single phase AC charging. Still a lot cheaper than gas, even with electricity rates like here in Germany.
@@darrylknight2675 Yeah, that has been the dream for decades. Green hydrogen? Is that like green electricity, of which the majority is generated from fossil fuels?
What will finally finish the EV revolution is the pure greed of energy providers. It’s happening now in the UK. My electric cost pkwh has increased from 7 pence pkwh to 29 pence pkwh hour in less than 8 months. That’s not to mention my standing charge for the privilege of being connected that more than tripled. I’m due another rise in October. My annual bill has gone from £800 yearly to £2400 combined gas & electric. Energy companies weren’t going to miss out on this meal ticket.
I have solar energy on my apartment, no utility bills! & an old Nissan Leaf electric car but no parking so I fast charge (still free or cheap) but yea the goal is to link them up & live on pure sunlight : )
Does anyone own a gas only vehicle that gets 500-600 miles AND ONLY has one tank that's not the size of the vehicle?? I ask because AT BEST I can get 375 out of my Rogue which has a decent sized tank if I just go highway and will cost me between $45-60 to fill up if on empty ONCE. The cost to charge a Tesla is a dream comparatively.
@@Vincent-ll5yp I don't honestly. More a questioning of where she got the 500-600 mile range figure for a gas powered car. The figure blew my mind. Now if she misspoke and meant hybrid cool, I'll buy that figure, but a gas only car no way.
@@BIGJATPSU The Audi A4 her sister drove a few years back has officially a range of 600 miles (14.2 gallon tank, 43/52 MPG combined/highway). My 2004 Volvo V70 diesel actually did achieve 600 miles consistely on 18.5 gallons of fuel.
I was thinking the same thing. Every gas car I've owned got around 200-300mi per tank max and they were rather efficient at 31mpg. My Tesla now has a 350mi range and charging is around 22 cents per KWh instead of paying 4.50/gal here in California.
A replacement battery for an EV cost around $ 23,000.- Crazy. EVs. are a fad; hybrid vehicles make more sense; A friend of mine owned one and when he sold it, got several thousand dollars more than when he bought it!
Joe Biden is currently bragging about closing down coal power stations and replacing them with wind and solar and the tax revenue generated from petrol sales is pretty huge so expect a double whammy to hit you down the road driving an EV in the future....Road tax and very expensive unreliable power.
Obviously depends on how much one drives. We’ve been using EV’s for over 7 years, using only 110V charging, at home. It costs us around $1/car/day. My wife drives a bit less then 10K miles/year, with her Volt. We rarely need to add gas to it. I’m retired and put 9,500 miles on my Tesla 3 over 20 months, including a 2,500+ trip from LA to Idaho and back. Huge Savings!
@Larry Butler some folks get their work done at the dealer, paying full price … others go to shops that do the work for a fraction of the price. Teslas have Very Sophisticated battery management! It’s not like the early Leafs with No Battery Management, or the lithiums for your flash light. :-)
@Larry Butler You get that EV's have very few moving parts. They are like your TV. They either work or don't. Over 7 years with EV's and I've changed out wiper blades once. Brakes last forever. With the sophisticated battery management, that part is lasting very well. We did a commercial with the Million Mile Volvo. It was on it's 5th engine! And if it wasn't going into their museum, it would have needed a 6th one. There are Million Kilometer ... 620,000 miles ... Tesla Taxi's in Europe ... very popular over there ... on only their 2nd battery and motor! That's good enough for me. Tesla's are the Number One car in Norway ... that country that extends into the Arctic Circle ... and Sweden is about to catch them. Not No. 1 EV ... not #1 Import ... Number One car in sales. Are you still using a horse and buggy? I bet not ... :-)
Hey Shelby. Thanks for the cost breakdown on the Tesla per month. I could use your analogy on whether or not to buy a TESLA or any other electric car. I appreciate the information.
SO SHE SAVES $25 PER TANK but spent a huge amount of $70,000 buying the EV (versus buying gasoline car for just 15-20,000 dollars). Benjamin Franklin called that “Penny wise but dollar foolish.” .
This is probably not the future. Looking at the data the National Fire Protection Association and National Traffic Safety Board also don’t think these electric cars are close either. When they burn they burn very hot and the lack of emergency response and inability to put out the fire due to thermal runaway makes them far more dangerous. From the data published even the sulfur batteries are dangerous and manufactures are already recalling units such as the BMW and Audi e-Tron and the Volt which for some reason seems to catch on fire the most. Spontaneous battery fires seem to be common with the Volt. The EVs are just not ready.
This video was probably one of the most well thought-out and researched videos I've seen in quite a while. Seriously, there's so much junk on RUclips now-a-days that finding an informative video like this where someone actually does their "homework" on the topic deserves an applause! Great job!👏
That electric bill is insane! My total utility bills for the month are under half that. Glad I don't live in california!!! That aside, nice video explaining the costs. Watching this makes me consider electric for my daily driver.
$5.875 per gallon today in California x 13 gallon tank = $76.38 for about 380 to 400 miles or about 19¢ per mile for gasoline. Just Googled gas price, the average tank size, and mileage numbers. A kilowatt hour is the equivalent to a 1000 watt heater running for an hour. E=IR... Volts = Amps x Resistance. Watts is Volts x Amps so for 1000 Watts at 120 Volts it takes 8.33 Amps and 1000 Watts on continuously for an hour equals 1 Kilowatt Hour. For household single phase power using a plumbing analogy: Volts are the Pressure. Amps are the Flow. Watts are the Volume. Watt Hours are the Volume over Period of Time. Volts times Amps equals the Watts. Watts are the Quantity of Energy. Watts divided by 1000 times the Hours equals Kilowatt Hours. A 10ft x 10ft x 8ft high room is going to get pretty warm for only 11 to 32 cents worth of electrical stuff. An electric oven set at 350°F for an hour uses about 2 kilowatt hours of electricity or 22 cents worth at a good cheap rate. Hope that somehow helps someone somewhere someway someday.
As electrics become popular,it will get more expensive in the future, right now we’re in a grace period, where companies and governments are recommending such vehicles, as sales increase over the years,and manufacturers build only electrics most likely rates will increase,basically one will be at the mercy of the suppliers,let’s keep our fingers crossed!
Exactly the opposite will happen. When more electricity is generated by renewables, the cars' batteries will be playing a role of grid storage. In some cases you will get profit from charging your EV, buying electricity at a lower rate and selling it at higher rate (automatically). Also cheap renewables will drive the prices down because of oversupply. Last summer there were instances in Europe when electricity cost was negative.
@@letsbehonest4221 $8K to $12K depending on the model. How much does an internal combustion engine cost to replace? $5K to $8K for the engine and another $2K to $4K for the install and miscellaneous parts. How long does a battery last? Typically 10 years, warrantied for 8 to 10 depending on which model you get. How long does an internal combustion engine last? 8 to 10 years if properly maintained, with what was it again a 3-year warranty on the engine? So you're shit out of luck if something happens after three years. How much do you spend on gas? I spend less than $20/mo now to charge my car. How much do you pay for oil changes? I spend zero.
@@dfactor so to replace the battery and engine just once its $15000 - $24000... the warranty is 8 years or 180000 klms... and judging on how much claim you spend of fuel (you said $250 a month) you will blow over the warranty klm limit is just a few years... ... a warranty does not mean you Automatically get a new free battery, that only covery faults not wear and tear and all reports say people are only getting 4 years out of a battery and have to pay a new 1 ... i have been interested in getting an electric car but over time they work out wayyy more expensive then a normal car
@@letsbehonest4221 You may want to re-read my reply. The two costs were for the battery in an EV and the engine of an Internal combustion engine. The battery replacement is $8 to $12K for an EV and the engine replacement is about the same in an internal combustion engine. You are combining the two. I actually have found that I drive much less with the EV also, perhaps that is just my new job allowing me to work from home 2 to 3 days per week. In the long run, an EV is much less expensive, but since I've own this since June I've only put 5.5K miles on it. My previous car was a 2015 Subaru STi which got like 18 mpg combined on a good day and required premium unleaded. Now, I will say to get the maximum benefit in cost savings from an EV, you need to charge from home. Any 3rd Party charging service adds to the cost and you see diminished savings. However, in the long run, despite the added upfront cost of purchasing an EV over a comparable vehicle, between reduced routine maintenance, fewer break changes from regenerative breaking, and fuel savings (especially if charging from home), you will break even between the 26 and 36 month mark, with the difference being variables such as fuel/energy cost and labor rates between areas as well as the interest rate on a loan. I paid cash for mine so I will see savings much sooner. Now if you're trying to compare a $50K Tesla versus an $18K Kia, then you probably won't realize savings for 5 or more years. As a finance guy, I do cost-benefit and breakeven analysis on any major purchase and I wouldn't have bought it if the savings weren't there, and that is the only reason I bought it. I'm not a "we all need to convert to green energy and eat only plants because cow farts kill the environment" type of person. As for the battery warranty, The only times I've heard Tesla not honor the warranty were when people didn't properly maintain the battery, which is as simple as not charging it to 100% daily (they instruct you to keep it between 60 and 90% for daily driving). Or when someone had a flat tire and jacked up their car and it punctured the battery. There may be other cases, but those are the ones I have first hand verified knowledge of. I can't speak to Ford or GM or any other manufacturer, they may be as crappy about their EV warranties as they are about their usual warranties.
@@dfactor well maby if you replied to my comments properly there wouldn't have been any confusion ...i said BATTERY replacement.. ..not engine replacement...so STFU.. .....but regardless i still stand by my previous comment..
Good explanation and comparison of charging to fuel. I live here in New Zealand and fuel and power prices change from region to region (same as state to state for Americans). E vehicles here in New Zealand (nz) are expensive to buy new (2nd hand ones are unreliable for battery life). And we don't have a good amount of charging stations throughout nz if ya travel out of town a lot.
I work for the electric company in Chicago, holy cow your electric bill is high!!! 25 cents is nuts per KWh. But since you live in shit Cali you have peak demand rates which is insane. It only cost me like $18 to charge my car and I drive 1500-1700 per month
The coal burned to create electricity for an electric car still gives off CO2. Also, it takes 600 tons of coal energy to build a windmill that will produce less energy in its lifetime then it takes to build. The amount of non-ionizing radiation emitted by electric cars will slowly kill you. You must get a harmonizer to neutralize the radiation.
Ah, WRONG on so many levels. NO, you don't need a 'harmonizer'. That is just patent nonsense. Windmills generate MORE in electricity/energy within the first two years than they took to build in resources AND energy. Windmills usually last from 20-25 years.
@@PhrontDoor I know a little bit about the effects of non-ionizing radiation upon living organisms my friend. It is extremely destructive. Dr Jack Kruse is a highly respected neurosurgeon and a world-renowned biophysicist. I'll trust what he has to say if you don't mind. Whoever told you that windmills don't require tremendous amounts of coal produced electricity to build lied to you. Whoever told you that they don't cause radical climate change lied to you. Whoever told you they are not killing off the bird population lied to you. Whenever filthy rich corporate socialist oligarchs and their giant corporations, along with their corrupt corporate media, tell you things, you can pretty much figure out that it's the opposite of what they are telling you. I'm guessing that you do your research on Google, which has tens of thousands of censors, along with powerful AI algorithms, to make sure you never find out the truth about their giant money making schemes - like windmills. These corporations are all owned by the same families that funded Adolf Hitler. I should know - I probably spent over 50,000 hours tracking the Nazi families, their money and their crimes.
There's always tradeoffs and no such thing as free energy. Most people buying electric cars do it because they save money on gas. A few may do it based on a pie in the sky assumption that they are protecting the environment but the reality is a battery car probably has a similar carbon footprint as any other car after you factor it what it takes to build those batteries.
I would love to see a video on how you and Monica share/split finances! I know you guys bought your two houses together, so I'm curious to see how that dynamic is and what your logic was behind that
1. If it takes 5 barrels of crude oil to make a battery capable of 1 barrel of energy, where is the benefit? 2. Electric companies will not allow EVeh charging on off peak rates (I've asked). 3. The grid in America can not support/handle EVeh charging. Yes, electric vehicles don't use gasoline, they do not get the same distance per "fill" as a gasoline engine does. My Ford Edge with 2.0 L4 Ecobust gets 28 - 38 MPG (depending on wind) Once the ND Battery gets price effective, EVeh's will be attractive.
Thank You so much for posting this. I was always curious about the REAL cost to charge a Tesla . The meter doesn't seem like it make a huge difference in you monthly cost.
SO SHE SAVES $25 PER TANK but spent a huge amount of $70,000 buying the EV (versus buying gasoline car for just 15-20,000 dollars). Benjamin Franklin called that “Penny wise but dollar foolish.” .
If “most” cars on the road were electric, it’s guaranteed the utilities would raise rates because of the increased demand on the grid.
Untrue….considering power is mostly still generated from fossil fuels, the same barrel of oil that used to create gasoline is also used to fuel power stations. If there was no longer demand for that barrel in gasoline production then the raw goods cost to create electricity is lower. In addition, alternative and improving forms of electricity production are coming to market daily further reducing the cost of electricity production. At current the increasing cost vector is not production but rather storage. Electricity can be generated quite cheaply. The problem occurs on the demand side when everyone wants the same power all at the same time. If we invest in power storage instead of demonizing fossil fuels, then we can more easily transition to electric vehicles.
Power is already going through the roof. Someone else's greed owns you until people stand up for themselves.
Excellent! That would mean my solar panels would save me even more money!
@@chrisbeckner2103 GREAT NEWS! THEN PEOPLE LIKE YOU CAN HELP PAY FOR THOSE CARS AND THE UPKEEP...
@@donaldmarusak6501 I am genuinely confused as to how my explanation and providing factual information on these issues could elicit your response. At best, you replied to the wrong person and at worst you’re just trolling.
Another easy way to measure the current and cost is to buy a Kill-A-Watt which you plug into the outlet and then plug your car's cord into it. You program it for the cost per Kwh and it will show how much power you have consumed and how much it costs. It also shows voltage, amps, and cycles. Its less than $30.
Lies again? Cock it
You can't just use the Kw charge, there is taxes, surcharges, recovery fees and whatever else they can dream up to add to your bill.
Yup my bill is loaded with those ridiculous charges. Administration charge, distribution charge, transmission charge, local access fee.
My last bill was 1552 kWh for $170 or 10.8 cents per kWh including everything. I know my electricity is cheaper than hers but my point really is when they use those posted 0.17 per kWh or whatever it is they are accounting for the fees ect. They aren't just cherry picking the energy chrage rate alone which in my case is 10 cents. The extras only add almost another 1 penny. The reality is battery cars are just much cheaper to power if you compare electric to gas. Of course the Tesla is wicked expensive. It's much cheaper to purchase and operate a used 4 year old any typical gas/hybird/battery car vs a new Tesla if you do a price per mile comparison but Tesla is the luxury version of battery cars. You're paying for all the bells and whistles.
Basic Service Charge ($0.45 x 29 Days) 13.05
Energy Charge ($0.10082 x 1,552 kWh) 156.47
Electric DSM ($0.00137 x 1,552 kWh) 2.13
Electric Fuel Adjustment ($0.00050 x 1,552 kWh) 0.78
Economic Relief Surcredit ($-0.00343 x 1,552 kWh) -5.32
Environmental Surcharge (1.520% x $167.11) 2.54
Home Energy Assistance Fund Charge 0.30
Total Charges $169.95
@@aceace605 Now my bill I just got comes out to 0.1596 per kwh which is about 1/3 more expensive than yours. So in order to get the real picture you would have to have an accurate percentage rate across the country. Now I'm not saying that electric isn't less expensive at the preset time compared to gas. But we also need to take into consideration all aspects, such as use of vehicle. I have a 3/4 ton truck with a diesel engine, I use it to haul heavy loads of lumber, how would that stack up to an electric vehicle? I'm an electrical engineer, so I'm not against electric anything. But I am a realist, and although it is useful it's no silver bullet. And I am sick and tired of the false claims. Now that goes for everything, not just this. Too much hype, too many lies. That is especially true for all of the alternate energy green crap. Nobody tell the whole truth. If they did, nobody would be behind it except those that are making the billions off of it. I hope you get my point.
@@rwells3376 - Yeah I live in one of the cheapest electric zones in the country. Sort of lucky there. I was just pointing out when they calculate the cost per mile on hybirds in videos like this they usually use the overall rate. The higher the cost of gas the better those battery cars look but you are also correct. You always have to compare apples to apples in function of car, maintenance of car, etc. A battery or hybird doesn't work very well in trucks yet. Therese a few smaller trucks but they sure aren't hauling a boat. I finally jumped into the hybird market about a year ago because I was looking for a small used car with high mpg where the maintenance or even purchase price wouldn't eat up the difference. I started looking at them back in the early 2000s but the prices difference back then and the risk of buying an expensive replacement battery couldn't offset the difference to gas even when it hit $4.00 a gallon for a year or so. There's still trade offs on top of that. We bought a Prius prime which is fairly comfortable but it only seats 4 specifically because battery cars are incredibly weight sensitive. Generally we're solo or duo in it for commutes and we deliver sometimes as well. It's great for that but you can't haul much. I'm still a little worried about maintenance. Oil changes are easy but I'm not sure about things like brakes, etc. I usually change my own brakes but I don't know how simple or hard it is on this prius. I will say the oil is very simple with both the plug and filter being right out of a covered area from the bottom. It's easier than my GMC Truck which has a convoluted access to the filter from the top through a bunch of other components.
@@aceace605 The real issue I was addressing was the accuracy of info. For example, when they post KW used, that is a problem. Electricity is measured in KWH, and then that doesn't take into consideration all of those extra fees I mentioned in my first comment. So if you were to calculate the KWH used at the rate charged, it would be inaccurate because of all of the extra charges on your bill. So the person contemplating an electric vehicle would think it would be much cheaper to operate then what it really is. Very misleading !!! Now maintenance is another issue all together. Years ago I worked as a mechanic. I has $30k invested in tools, and as the cars rapidly changed the cost of tools was soaring. I was giving up about25% 0f my paycheck to the tool trucks every week. It got to the point that I decided to stop spending that much on tools and soon after I changed careers because of it. Now we are entering a realm of vehicles that are so vastly different and much more complicated that the average mechanic will need a degree to wok on these cars. This will drive down the mechanics available and drive the repair cost up. Once again another unsuspecting result to passed on to the consumer. When you start talking about regenerative braking, inhub motors, motor controllers and all of that computer controlled, which requires specific diagnostic equipment, where does that leave the average person? You do know electric cars were here before internal combustion cars, and for these and several other reasons they failed to become a mainstay transportation source. And then we haven't even started to talk about the carbon emissions to produce the power, the chemicals and rare earth elements in the batteries, just to start. This is no silver bullet, but it is a great way for the wealthy to get even wealthier. And that is what this is all about. Do a real analysis of the cost and carbon created to produce a solar panel, or a wind generator, take into consideration the life expectancy and the maintenance costs and you will see it for what it really is.
Glad you called out variable electrical pricing. This is common in a few parts in the United States and worth being aware of because that will greatly affects the return on investment from going with an electric vehicle. In terms of price gouging concerns, just like gas stations and oil companies, they’re pretty content with profits that hit a certain margin and know that if they go to out-of-control they lose their customer. Some thing I think a lot of folks will forget because people simply don’t understand the way energy economics work and there’s a lot of the hood that doesn’t relate to politics and greed. That being said, the other thing to remember is that some states have publicly owned utility rates. Publicly owned utility grids, while not the only form of ownership, are going to be pretty steady in price and are very unlikely to price gouge unless some kind of new bill is passed by your legislation that allows them to change the cost of the energy production or energy dispersement. So all in all people should feel safe about the cost of electricity, especially when renewable energies are slowly becoming more capable and hopefully will be main stream in the next 5 to 10 years making electricity more affordable than it is currently.
"know that if they go to out-of-control they lose their customer." How is the typical customer of an electric company going go? Usually there is only one choice of an electric company.
@@phillman5 that’s not a hard-fast rule. Usually you’d be right but you also have non private entities controlling electric stations. But you also need to remember that running electric costs rampant will bring forward other business opportunities and collapse the profitability of private energy options. There’s a balance, and everyone knows that price gouging forces market shifts - especially when exposed.
Har, that's FATE!!! >: D
The 100% REAL TRUTH about electric cars, is that your ASS will be sitting like right ontop of a NUCLEAR POWER PLANT all the motherfuckin' time.
So say hello to RADIATION CANCER, and say goodbye to LIFE!!!
Now if THAT doesn't kill ya soon enough already, then the ELECTRIC FIRES and EXPLOSIONS most certainly will...
Next best thing to owning a 1970s Ford Pinto, if ya asked me!
Need I say more???
So as soon as my utility company was aware i had a tesla .... they lowered my rate and made me aware of all the locations of rhe city chargers and allso directed me to where there where free. FREE. Charge stations. That were either 48 amp or 60 amp speedy chargers. FYI. I traded in my f 350 supercrew king ranch 32 gallons was a xost of 156 dollars per fill up 310 mile range i spent 1200 a month on gas. So fsr comparatively wirh both home and tesla fast chargers ive spent in one month 309 dollars and my SVR mod 3 dual motor gets me 290 miles in performance full mode and in chill 319 miles im totaly good with this its an easy choice to have money in my front pocket and not have some gas station guy ask if i have a kick back card .... while stealing my money for gas
Wow. I just realized how crazy cheap my electric is. I pay around 10 cents per kWh. Driving a Tesla would be super cheap for me I’m guessing.
The national average is about 12 cents. LA is stupid and in so many ways, but gas costs twice as much so it all evens out.
If Shelby's is this cheap, Imagine how cheap your bill would be! 😅
Yes it is. Probably costs us 40 per month to drive 2 of them in IL.
that's pretty good, the average in the United States is actually $0.11/kWh which is about equivalent to paying $1.10 per gallon of gasoline.
@@nafnaf0 The national average for gasoline year round is around $2.00 give or take so (although it is going up), so about half the "fuel" cost to drive an EV...
For those considering buying an EV for environmental reasons; I think it's important to understand where your electricity comes from. In my case it's coal imported by train from West Virginia and some has started to be imported by ship from another country.
Or what happens when the batteries service life is over. What happens to the battery is it recycled? But under a mountain? Shipped to India to pollute over there?
That's great for your area, but it's not the case in all areas. A lot of areas are using wind and water to power homes and businesses. Oh yeah, there's that. That coal you are talking about, and the wind and water I'm talking about? It's already being used for so much more. People that are against EV's always point this out, acting like all of a sudden ALL the coal is now going to be used to power the evil electric car. They conveniently leave out the fact that charging your electric car is a small fraction of the electricity used for everything else. Take her example. Her monthly electric bill was over $500. She figures that the portion of that that goes to her Tesla is $35. A small fraction of that bill.
And where the batteries come from. The massive lithium mines, earth moving equipment, massive freighter ships to ship the materials, the massive electrical grid infrastructure that's going to be needed in future along with all the steel and copper mined to produce the materials for it.
@@Andrewkc1969 They are getting rid of coal steam turbine power all over the country. Wind turbines produce a tiny fraction of electricity for the USA and their manufacturing, disposal is a huge polluter along with the millions of birds they kill every year, on top of that they are a huge eyesore for almost every landscape. So where is the power going to come from? There is lots of talk about tearing out Hydro electric plants and some are already being removed. Again, where is the electric power going to come from to power all these electric vehicles?
@Chris Anthony
Yeah, you can thank Joe Manchin for the fact that WV still uses coal!
Ideally as more politicians start thinking about the planet and not personally making a profit, electricity sources will get cleaner. And every homeowner has the option of going solar and charging their EV that way. Of course, solar itself has an environmental impact and usually it takes 5-6 years until it's seen as "good for the environment".
it makes even more sense to get an ev in europe, in my country gas prices are 50% more than in la and electricity is 5 cents for off-peak and 10 for peak hours so $25 vs $60 tank is more like $5-10 vs $90
in germany/Munich electricity costs 40 US- cents per kwh omg..
Wow in India, petrol costs more than double of that of US while electricity costs like 0.11usd
@@MaxAigner Was going to mention that! Had a compact 1.1L gasoline car that used 4L/100km (Yes I drive like that) then last year, I got the E-version which uses 134Wh/km (measured from the socket) which cost me 38 US cents/kWh at home, which is $5.33. However gasoline is $ 7.34 for 4 liters atm, so I'm not saving that much! If I use public chargers, I'd save nothing. Electricity is more expensive in Europe compared to gasoline, than it is in the US, even if gasoline is more expensive.
Yea, in the UK gas is equivalent to $6.50 a gallon, however overnight electricity can be as low as 6 cents a kw/h. There's a BIG difference. However, EV vehicles tend to do well in hot climates like California whereas colder places can see a reduction of 50% in range.
Its the price free healt care and free colege
I run an extention cord to the neighbors, it has saved me thousands!!!
Try that around my neighborhood, no charge for the bullet holes in your Tesla, free power you stole!!!
@@jamesmcdonald6047 lol you actually think if I had the $ to buy a tesla I would do that!!
@@Jackman8594 Not a chance,but I bet you have a lot of Tesla clothing to wear just in case people do not know you drive one!!!
Check out my tesla video at #youradonkey
@@jamesmcdonald6047 the extension chord needs would be $500 anyway lol
Hey I would rather pay only a electric bill only then having to buy both
SO SHE SAVES $25 PER TANK but spent a huge amount of $70,000 buying the EV (versus buying gasoline car for just 15-20,000 dollars). Benjamin Franklin called that “Penny wise but dollar foolish.”
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Some things to consider when comparing gas to electric. Compare to cars YOU would own, not cars that have the highest gas mileage. People don't necessarily by a Tesla to save on gas, although they most certainly will. There's performance, automation and low maintenance as reasons to buy one. I moved from a Camaro SS to a Tesla, so when I do comparisons, I compare the Camaro to the Tesla , not a Corolla to the Tesla. So, for more performance, I'm saving a whole lot in gas.
As for charging at home. If you have a level 2 charger or a 14-50 (50 amp) plug installed, you can schedule the car to start charging during off-peak hours. So my car starts its charge after 10pm. People that use regular 110 or 120 Volt (15-20amps) outlets will find it harder to use schedule charging because of how so the car charges. So getting a 14-50 plug installed will do wonders and should pay for itself in the long run.
I sort of agree with you. But she is trying to give an average example, so she compared using an average ICE car. I have a XC40 Volvo Recharge that I use as my daily driver, and a 2020 Corvette. even me using that example doesn't work. Why doesn't it work? Because most of the time I am driving my electric, which means I'm not driving my Corvette. One could easily argue that I'm saving money simply because I'm not driving my Corvette. This is all about comparison for data sake, not reality. The nice thing about an EV is that it doesn't matter if it's a Prius or a Porsche, the electricity costs the same. Not so in the ICE model.
Did you consider the lifespan of the vehicle. What's the value of the Tesla when the battery goes bad and can you recycle the battery, how much is a new battery. My shop works on hybrids and the vehicle is usually sold for scrap or parts when it's time for a new battery.
Price depends on local cost per unit of energy. It also typically needs a house to charge it.
Curious. What’s the lifetime of the batteries? What’s the replacement cost of the batteries? What’s the impact on the environment of mining nickel for those batteries?
Batteries are $ 20000+ dollars.
10 years. And there non recyclable. Uses petrol to extract lithium uses petrol to refine lithium. Uses petrol to manufacture vehical. Imagin if these dumb asses spent a tad more time in making the gasoline engine more efficient, and put a proper filter on the exhaust.... but no here we are with our thumbs up our asses. You cant put a price on stupid... oh wait.....
Relatively short. Very high. Very high.
cost ?? way , way more than gas engines . Biden is lying to us all .
The impact on the environment doesn’t matter because they mine for them in 3rd world countries😂😂
What really makes this video valuable and informative, is the fact that you can actually hear every word. There is absolutely no annoying overdubbing noise or muzak, like you often find in lousy commercials and worthless documentaries.
Does have music its just adjusted well.
She takes 10 minutes to give two minutes of real information.
@@josephfriday2661 but I wouldn't trust the information because like maybe it's not right because like maybe everyone pays for her link and she really doesn't have to look at her bill because like maybe I'm not sure what kilowatts and maybe I don't know what gas tank converges to and like maybe I wouldn't trust this chick with anything because like maybe omaze is selling a house and like maybe I don't know there used to be where you can like maybe get a discount and maybe if you get my point maybe you'll understand this chick has no clue
This is a commercial... if she doesn't have a meter then why bother making a vid? I guess this is how she pays her rent and Tesla. But meter is at 11.
I got a $200 electric bill last month because I had to pay for 2 months and thought THAT was high. 😅😅 I am very grateful now.
Wow only $200 for 2 month so cheap then my bill
I had to pay around 800-900 💷 for 1 month.Bill for electricity in my country it so expensive .
My Silicon valley California bill is $300-500 depending on seasons
In the uk mine is £45 a month.
SC anyway from 75 in the fall to 175 summer or winter
Is nobody even going to mention the $578 power bill??? Holy cow, I've never paid more than $200 and I live in Florida
was 58 days, still a lot a power used per month
It is pg&e they charge a lot
thats about average if you have a large home in LA, for 2 months, I only pay about 30-40 per month in san diego, Ca
$578 utility bill! Damn! Here in Louisiana our long summers are hell and A/C run continuously and my bill is around $200 and I have a total elec. home. I am a little doubtful of her story.
IKR, it's crazy. My avg bill a month is $80 in Colorado
6:25 A 10 minute video to tell how much a Tesla charge cost. Thank you for the video!
Honestly!
So 20 miles per kilowatt hour. My gas engine car does way better and doesn't cost thousands of dollars to replace the battery. EV has a long way to go imo.
....until people learn the proper math, they will not buy it.
Thank you!
Thank you for the time stamp….. I hate when RUclipsr ramble on.
We have tiered pricing here and we just set our car to automatically start charging during the off peek hours. That way we don’t even have to think about it. Set it and forget it!
lucky you to have off peak hours
Solar Panels ?! In your personal home, not in the rental one.
Putting the Sun working for you is better than having the money at the Bank.
for Arizona or Nevada OK
here in California the utility company are planning to add a grid connection fee to solar owners costing 60 to 100 dollars based in KWH usage .
My electric plan is free nights, so I have 8pm to 8am where my charge is 0.0 per kWh. I wait until after 8pm to charge my car (and do other electric-intensive things like run the washer/dryer and dishwasher and turn down the AC). This means my car charging is free. It's worth looking into if your electric company offers it.
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There’s no so such free electricity. You believe that lie?
My electric company wont even give a calendar!
@@cristianreyes6273 free electricity and free college for everyone
My house is 2000 square feet and my upcoming electric bill is $98.00 California is screwing you over
Her electric bills in LA are more than $250 a month! That's insane.
Yeah - she’s paying more for her electric bill than i do for my mortgage payment! 😂
California is ridiculous!!!!
I have property in Oregon where we have Hydro electric our house electric bill is over $400 a month and we have a propane water heater and range. My business electric bill is over $800.00 a month and we have oil heat.
They voted for it
Lots of people here in Florida pay that or more, and they don't have EVs to charge, so they spend close to that on gasoline too!
It's almost $600
For my Tesla Model 3 Standard Range it’s $24-29 a month. I charge almost every night during Off-Peak times.
I drive 1700 miles a month. I used to get about 350 miles to the tank in my Toyota Corolla (13.2 Gal tank). 1700 miles is 4.85 tanks of gas. Currently gas is $4.12/Gal where I live.
($4.12 x 13.2) x 4.85 = $263.76
So basically the cost to home charge is 10% of the cost of gas.
what is your electricity cost, cuz damn that seems low. my electricity in the LA area is .35 a kwh. Also you did not use your full tank each time or you would be stuck somewhere every time. these rounding errors add up when you try to show EV as the be all. for me gas is 5/2 more expensive than gas. and thats at the crazy gas prices. still a savings for sure but not 10% aka 10 times less expensive
@@kirbyrules55 Toyota says estimated 342 mile range on my old Corolla, so 350 was actually generous. I’m driving my Tesla more than I drove my old car, because We used to use my wife’s van on the weekends and for errands. So I was actually getting worse gas mileage during those times. In Phoenix AZ, my electricity cost is $0.05146 per KWh when I charge (Off-Peak). Comes out to about $1 every time I charge back up, there is also a Super Off-Peak charging rate of $0.03166 between 10am-3pm, but I rarely am charging at that time, however that’s what makes my charging cost fluctuate.
If I just look at my old commute and take out the other driving, my work commute was 300 miles a week, so 1200 miles a month. I had to fill up each week about 10 gallons. At the time when I bought my Tesla, gas was around $3.15/Gal. So $3.15 x 10 x 4 = $126 a month. So if say look at my charge cost, $1/day x 20 days, then I was paying about 6x more for gas for my daily commute each month. It’s the gas savings using the Tesla for weekend and errand driving that gets me to about 10x difference.
I hope that helps. Obviously the electricity cost is widely different depending on where you live. I average about 19 KWh per recharge (basically charging about 100 miles of range back to the car). So if my cost was like yours, $0.35 per KWh x 19 = $6.65 per fill up. That wouldn’t be a savings.
But the cost of the car is four times the cost of the Toyota. And Insurance, and tires....
Costing you an extra $2500/year (higher cost of ownership than corolla) for the privilege of saving $1900/yr using cheaper electricity than gas.
For your high yearly mileage, a Tesla makes more sense since you are overall paying $600/yr more PLUS not using any gasoline. :)
For me, a Tesla doesn't make sense over my Prius. I travel much, much less than you, 625 miles/month. (7.5 years and at 56000 on odometer). I drive much less in the past 2.5 years due to working from home vs a 36 mile round trip commute to work for the first 5 years I owned the prius. These days I fill up 9 gallons once every 2 months since I work from home. So for the past year, I have spent about $216 in gas for the entire year.
I did my prius, long term trip meter says I get 48mpg (Trip B meter over the last 9600 miles)
over the 7.5 years I owned it, I have total of 56k miles so round to 7500 miles/year
Tesla gets 0.24 kWh/mile. It costs me 11 cents per kWh for electricity (Atlanta)
If I had a tesla, the 7500 miles would take 1800 KwH or $198/yr
Precovid gas $2.40 at 155 gallons a year = $375/yr
Covid gas is $4 at 155 gallons a year = $625/yr
So for me, in 2022 the cost to home charge would be 32% of the cost of gas, saving $35.60 a month at $4/gal (saved only $14.80/month during precovid gas prices)
Precovid, 53% the cost of gas
Cost of 2014 Tesla 3 $71k - $7.5k tax credit
Cost of my 2014 Prius Four - $26k
Let's use 4yr loan, Tesla interest $5300, Prius interest $2300
Own car for 10 years, Tesla resale value is 31% ($19700 per caredge site) Prius is 30% ($7800)
Cost per year: Tesla $4900, Prius $2050 (purchase + interest - resale)
6 years of gas precovid = 2250, 4 years covid gas 2500 = $475gas / year
10 years of Tesla electricity $1980
Cost of Ownership and Usage:
Tesla $5100/yr
Prius $2525/yr
It would have cost me $2575/yr MORE to get the privilege of saving $277 a year using only electricity instead of gasoline.
Not adding maintenance since $50 to change my oil once a year is neglible, and in 7.5 years I have needed no repairs. I'm assuming the Tesla is also maintenance free over the same time span, not needing any dealer servicing work and charges.
Your calc is a little off since corolla is 31 city / 40 highway. You never put 13.2 gallons in the tank because no one fills up after running empty on the side of the road. My prius tank is 11.9gallons and in 7.5 years, I've never ever been able to put 10 gallons in it even when I thought I was running on fumes.
Your Corolla for 1700 miles should cost $189/mo at $4/gal and 36mpg, not $263. So 1/6th not 1/10th but I think when you go from $189 to a low $30 we're just splitting hairs! :)
You can't ever put 13.2 gallons in the tank, though. My prius capacity is 11.9 but I have never in many years ever put more than 10 gallons in the tank, ever. Going by 36mpg, your fillup is closer to 9.7 gallons, not 13.2. But as I said in my other comment, your high miles per year does not make a tesla a bad investment at all :) If you were driving that Corolla 1700 miles a month, I'd suggest getting a job that didn't require you to travel as much (averaging 50mph, that's 17 days spent in your car, at average 25mph, thats 34 days spent in your car)
I haven't even noticed a difference in our power bill.. I leave my car plugged in all night long.. no issues.
This is a good idea as preconditioning doesn’t cause any wear and tear on the battery it uses your household current. Just follow the 80:20 rule: try not to charge above 80% and drop below 20%. I’ve followed this for my car and has only dropped a few percent in capacity in 6 years.
Get the app and figure it out?
@joseph boyat Yup. Just pay off the $20-30k in solar installation and you're golden. ;)
Days in billing cycle 58. So this is a 2 month bill. thats $10 a day.
The average distance for car gas tanks is sized for 300 miles. Unless you have a diesel truck which can get up to 600.
a 50mpg car would need 35gallons of gas at a generous $3 would be $105. But for most cars the size of a Tesla expect that to be more like $200.
You are paying $36 for 700 miles that is one serious savings.
Thanks for the informative video! I highly recommend getting the 30 amp plug installed, I got it done for around 300 and the charging rate went from 7 miles to 22 miles per hour.
Most people dont drive more than 50miles a day so a standard wall socket is enough for many ev owners
I have one too, but for Shelby that’s a year of electric costs or two years even. And then she still pays for the power. So as long as she’s not in a big hurry… she’s literally saving 2 years worth of charge costs.
She said she’s in an apartment, so can’t just install anything she wants. Not her property
just 22 miles per hour of charging rate? are you sure it is that low? ican spend 5 minutes at a gas pump and drive 400 miles and not worry about lightning strikes shutting my car off.
22 miles per hour? Do you mean 22 kwh? That's not the same thing AT ALL.
The difference between a standard plug-in 110 volt like Shelby has and the after market power ped (240 volt) is HUGE! The 110 volt charges 1-2 miles per hour.
The 240 volt charges 30 miles per hour. I'm guessing Shelby relies on superchargers, but if you live some place more rural you should install the 240 volt power ped. You can save money on it by just buying the adaptor which is $50 and wiring it yourself, or hiring an independent electrician. TESLA will try and sell you the $500 power ped and having their own electricians install it for an additional labor cost. I'll make a video about it.
From what she showed, she is only driving 500 miles per month. That is not very much, and overall not very economical use of an EV.
@Advanced Driving Cost efficiency is for people with less money to play around with. A lot of people don't care one bit about the cost and they pay for something they like and have fun with. I never ever take public transportation and I pay for a taxi whenever I need to go somewhere without my own car. That's not cost efficient, but it's a heck of a lot better. Same goes for a Tesla vs any other car anywhere near the price segment.
That’s misleading, it’s actually 4-5mph on a 110v outlet which is 40-50 miles recuperated in 10 hours which normally people sleep for 8 hours and spend 2 hours at home. MOST people spend more time than that at home. And MOST people don’t drive 40-50miles a day.
The Tesla “power ped” is actually called a WALL CONNECTOR which is a permanent fixture and charges at 50mph. Tesla does not make money from the electricians that install these things. The find an electrician page on their website is just to help their customers.
@@notpoliticallycorrect4774 what? Are you high? I do 100 miles a week! That's average! I drop 50 60 a week on gas!
If you add some solar to your home or business, it provides a valuable backup. Excellent video, thanks!
ONLY IF U DONT RENT!!!
If your able to only use a 110 outlet to charge your car you must not do very much driving. With a 110 outlet you probably only drive like 30 miles a day. would take like 24 hours to fully charge a dead tesla battery with a 110 outlet.
Oil is about to make Tesla’s comparatively cheaper. $36 for 700 miles ain’t bad at all.
@@timbuckohfive2751 dead children??
@@timbuckohfive2751 huh
Gas used to be $4 a gallon in 2008 though and that was 13 years ago
@@timbuckohfive2751 or the dead rats in the lake over there
@@timbuckohfive2751 cobalt right? Tesla is moving to a cobalt free battery. Does that comfort your bleeding heart?
Thank you for keeping your videos transparent, truthful, and thoughtfully done! ❤️
@@timbuckohfive2751 😧 I came here for a good time and I’m feeling really attacked right now
@@timbuckohfive2751 no worries, it was a quote from an older meme! I give kudos to both you & your mission- my own is to bring awareness to those living with chronic disabilities. I’m legitimately not mad at your comment- you have something to stand up for and speak up for and you saw a chance to educate others.
In my own opinion, writing articles (Medium, NewsBreak, starting your own blog, ect.) and creating content such as TikToks & RUclips videos to bring awareness in a way that gets through to viewer works WAY more than piggybacking off a comment on a video. Sure, you get an audience perhaps- so if you’re looking to rant in addition to helping this videos metrics, please continue on. But, if you’re looking to truly make a difference, perhaps reevaluate the way you are communicating with others!
Lol
And appropriately dressed. Refreshing.....
If you came to Tennessee we pay about 10c kWh. No tiers, plug in whenever you want.
Charging using 120v is slightly less efficient than 240v. Adding a 240v outlet would save a little, but probably not enough to pay for the install cost.
As for utilities increasing the cost of electricity, this isn't that likely (electricity is a regulated industry). But to be devils advocate lets say electricity goes up 4x in price next year. Well then, you buy solar panels and use less grid electricity. The incentive to go solar would be strong because electricity is used for your whole home, not just your car.
Your state needs a stronger price signal to incentivise peole to use less power. Here in Oz, my power is 40c / kwhr. No problem, my rooftop solar covers this and I receive a $3k pa cheque form the power company every year for the power I feed back to the grid.
See how it works ? Your state needs to drastically increase the cost of lower to reduce consumption.
Excellent point! She could get even 2-4% more savings from higher voltage but it wouldn’t offset the cost of the charger until like 10 years had passed so… not great.
Wind and solar are shit ways of generating power lmao
I'm and engineer and I think this is a really good and practical explanation. Her numbers made sense, and because all the charging "smarts" are in the car, the app will show an accurate reading. Of course now the price of gas is probably twice what she was paying in 2021, so more savings.
Thanks,
No, there are charging losses of up to 20% between the plug and internal charger that are not accounted for in the app. Also, "about 700 miles" is questionable data. I mean, how hard is it to reset an odometer/trip meter? It is apparent you are not an EE.....
Let's not forget if a black out happened, you'd be fvcked. No thanks. Lol
Except utilities rates have risen dramatically in the past yr.
Wait until the billions in gas tax gets put on electric...
@@johntruxal432 yes the mileage tax too!
Good job explaining this. I wonder, as a consumer of the power grid with your electric vehicle - 1) do you get that the grid is mostly powered by fossil fuels? 2) the Chinese are extensively involved in manufacture of electric vehicle parts and 'alternative' fuel sources, meaning we will further be dependent on the CCP? 3) are you utterly confident the power grid will never be taken down?
Thank harry reid and his son for selling us out and the selling a big grid in nevada, good night america
Most people have zero idea that the grid is predominantly powered by fossil fuels.
Let's not mention that the car costs up to 10x what a fuel powered engine costs. So you need to do a full accounting of the cost of the car.
Shelby's Tesla videos are the best
Another aspect to cost of operation is: How much interest do you pay on your car loan over the loan life? Insurance cost per month/year? Tesla's are not maintenance free so what kinds of repairs are there going to be on your Tesla in year 1, year 2 etc.
Tesla makes a great vehicle no doubt. I'm just someone who gets nervous about a battery dying while in the middle of a journey. That goes for phone batteries, camera batteries, flashlight batteries....anything battery operated basically.
I can fill my 20 gallon tank in about 5-7 minutes and get a highway cruising range of 375-425 miles. Sure it's expensive but it feel more free to me.
LOL I’ve had my BMW i3 for three years now and I don’t have a wallbox either; been charging by Type 1 all the time and it works just fine as long as you can be sure that all of the electricity stuff has been installed properly
For those who have solar panels, it's free REAL ESTATE!
Solar on houses is not free, your panels give the power to the utilities and they sell it back to you at a discount, they are just using you to become part of the grid and make money off of you.
@@Frank00 actually it depends from state to state and even town to town. But still you have some ways to just use solar panel for non-house related products. So yeah renewable energies have the best ROI. (Not an investment advice)
@@Frank00 - Lol, no.
@@BrooksMotorWorks703 lol yes
@@Frank00 Not if you own the solar panels
$36 is the cost of one tank refill of gas! That’s amazing
I easily pay $70 per tank in LA 😣
@@StoriesByDighewow so expensive...I have a Toyota and live in Ohio so things tend to be cheaper
@@jalyassin same, ohio but i drive a nissan sentra. I spend about 36$ or less in gas per month.
Come to the UK, $125 to fill my V70 Volvo…..
@@StoriesByDighe LA gas price is nasty and even worse in OC. I drive 440i and it costs me around $60 and I fill my tank up 2-3 times per month.
Before anyone buys an electric car please look at the Volvo report. This shows that the co2 in producing an electric car is massive so much so you would be better buying petroleum right upto the 90,000th mile after this the electric car is better for the planet but this does not include the reduced battery use and it would not be long before you would look at a replacement. If you don’t normally drive 90,000 miles in your car the the best thing for the planet is buy a modern petrol engine car and run it into the ground.
Battery is not the way to go right now it may be in the future. Finding a way to produce hydrogen in a clean and cheap way would be a way of us traveling just as we are now filling up at stations traveling up and down the country.
Wishing every one well
James
Breathing tailpipe emissions from cars and trucks is my issue.
Here in Alberta, Canada, our electricity rates are very low compared to California. CDN$0.05 p/kWh. Over 4 months we spent CDN $60 on electricity for our SR MY with roughly 7,500kms.
Wow I wasn’t expecting to see a comment from where I am from! Good to know it’s even cheaper, thank you.
Living in Calgary the rate is about 28 cents per kwh. You likely looked only at the line which states the provider rate. You have to add in all the other charges. Simply add up kwh consumption and divide by total electricity cost.
Living in med hat we have roughly the same costs
@@ricknash3055 people have no Idea how to break down the actual cost on their electricity bill .
Governments will adjust to this trend to EV dependency and will likely start charging more with a tier system for heavier electricity use in the future. Luckily those changes are usually gradual so hoping the prices stay lower over the next 10 years or so.
$36 a month is really good.
Agreed i thought it would have been more
Good if your rich
@@sema-2024 For 700 miles? Good for anyone.
@@sema-2024 Do you own a car or have to drive a car? $36 a month for 700 miles is pretty damn good even for an economical car like a Prius.
@Greg Gaming Ok, Calm down with that caps text wall. I agree with you, some people should be smarter with their money.
Might be worth mentioning you can tell the car when to charge itself when when always plugged in
I do solar in Palm Springs for Sunrun, Tesla on order. We sell cheaper power than SCE we could see if your property is eligible and lower your PS property energy costs by 30-50%, might not work for you but worth looking into.
Brb gonna show this video to my dad to convince him to get a Tesla lmao
lol Hope he is convinced 🤞
SO SHE SAVES $25 PER TANK but spent a huge amount of $70,000 buying the EV (versus buying gasoline car for just 15-20,000 dollars). Benjamin Franklin called that “Penny wise but dollar foolish.”
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@@electrictroy2010 You are exaggerating her numbers drastically. This model 3 was right under $40,000 and her second choice was a gas-Audi for almost the same price. Yes she is saving money.
Update: my dad ordered a tesla lol
" I remember when I had a gas car." lol it sounds so funny
i never owned a gas car, how sounds that? :D
First own car was a Renault ZOE with 120km range now i have a Model 3 LR. ;)
@@MrTechfreak95 LOL my first car was LPG converted, second was CNG converted, third one I hope so it will be electric but not converted xD
Hydrogen is a gas. Petrol is not a gas - it’s a fluid. Hydrogen cars are gas cars.
gas, you're talking about "gasoline"
British people are so arrogant, but they lost their empire. All they have left is an island. The arrogance is undeserved.
Well when you already have blackouts in biggest state's in America imagine when you have too charge your car and the electric comes from somewhere like coal.
Har, that's FATE!!! >: D
The 100% REAL TRUTH about electric cars, is that your ASS will be sitting like right ontop of a NUCLEAR POWER PLANT all the motherfuckin' time.
So say hello to RADIATION CANCER, and say goodbye to LIFE!!!
Now if THAT doesn't kill ya soon enough already, then the ELECTRIC FIRES and EXPLOSIONS most certainly will...
Next best thing to owning a 1970s Ford Pinto, if ya asked me!
Need I say more???
Which just points out how shitty the US power grid is, how much we rely on coal , and how far behind we are in keeping up with the population growth. France is smaller than Texas yet it has 56 nuclear power plants compared to just two in Texas (the US total is 88).
after 10 years of charging cycles , your battery will most likely needs replacement so about 20 grand or so , what did you save ?
Omg yess thank you for posting this! We were just talking about how we want to hopefully get a Tesla in the future so this is SOOOO helpful!! We wish you and everyone else positivity and hope your weekend is amazing!❤️🙏
Do you own a house? Maybe you could install solar panels.
SO SHE SAVES $25 PER TANK but spent a huge amount of $70,000 buying the EV (versus buying gasoline car for just 15-20,000 dollars). Benjamin Franklin called that “Penny wise but dollar foolish.”
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@@electrictroy2010 It is insanity. These clown cars are still powered by fossil fuels. The build quality is insanely poor and can only be serviced by Tesla dealers!!! Read - big bucks. And good luck in waiting for spare parts! Musk is the only one coming out ahead and the con is played on anyone who buys one.
Hope, get the real cost before you do this, 5 cents a mile seems too little
Lmfao another failed relationship RUclips channel 🤣💀
Looking forward to the brownouts and rolling blackouts coming to LA soon. Should be great!
That's coming. You don't find any emergency response vehicles, ambulance, fire engines, police vehicles, powered by this nonsense. Lithium battery is good for powering flashlights and power tools. Professional landscapers don't even use battery power tools and that should tell you something when those guys have already figured it out!!!
If solar panels were cheaper this wouldnt be an issue..... unless they made there own clouds..... oh wait....
Maybe you should join the caravans leaving LA
I'm still waiting for the blackouts here in LA.
that's why there won't be EVs everywhere anytime soon. the power grid
can't handle it, n politicians n power companies know that. I.C.E vehicles
have been around for over a 100 years n will be around for many more years.
I'm an energy analyst for a solar company that specializes in energy rates in California. It looks like you're only TOU-D-4-9PM with SCE with your Palm Springs house. I would take advantage of switching your rate to TOU-D-Prime; only people who have an electric car, solar, batteries, or electric heat pump can be on this rate. I see that most of your energy usage is during off-peak and you're paying $.29/kWh for that while PRIME has off-peak for $.17/kWh
Also, would highly recommend getting solar and batteries for your palm springs house!! Really good investment for the long run. If you have any questions about this, please let me know. Always want to make sure people are getting the best rate for their energy because utility companies SUCK.
We're homesteading and taking steps to be fully self sustaining in the country. My small RUclips channel shows our progress with chickens, duck eggs, gardening, and adding cows, solar power and cistern water collection soon. Also digging our own well. But most importantly, we consume less, and what we do consume is almost all used and we pride ourselves in refurbishing items to give them new life instead of going into a landfill.
Great video! It really helped me understand how the costs work out. THANK YOU! I'm a subscriber now!
At current gasoline prices I'm spending about 10 cents a mile(28 MPG) compared to you spending 5 cents a mile for electricity. That's a 50% difference! But I'd like to see a vehicle cost comparison to see if there are any savings in the long run?
It’s a 50% difference in fuel costs but that’s far from the only cost. I would not buy something this complex when only one company can service it. Tesla will not publish repair manuals for any other shops to repair. Also they are hard on tires and that can be a large expense
@@tomdavis3038 Yes, indeed. And although I've not done a cost comparison I imagine the premium one pays for a Tesla negates any cost savings of electricy over gasoline. And it's amazing to me that the "go green" folks don't realize that much of our electricity comes from coal and gas fired plants.
@@tomdavis3038 "Also they are hard on tires and that can be a large expense"
People who drive ANY performance car with "vigor" will go through tires. My neighbor has a really nice Mustang. He replaces is rear tires like most people change their underwear (yes, that's an exaggeration). That's not the Mustangs fault. That's the operators fault.
I've yet to hear a person with a $50,000 Corvette defend there purchase to a Ford Focus owner considering the Focus is (was) a MUCH less expensive car to purchase and drive.
" Tesla will not publish repair manuals for any other shops to repair."
Because they don't want any ol' fool with a multimeter thinking they can work on a high-voltage system.
Do you not own a Tesla because YOU can't do the repair yourself or because YOU can't afford the car? My guess is it's the latter.
FYI...service manuals ARE available for any Tesla. :-)
@@phillipzx3754 "Because they don't want any ol' fool with a multimeter thinking they can work on a high-voltage system." What makes you think Tesla Gods are the only ones that know how to repair electric vehicles? Admit it this is a sore point that Tesla will loose in the end. What if GM, Ford, Mercedes etc all required that ANY repairs will be performed by them ONLY and not only during warranty but for the lifetime of the vehicle? Cost of ownership of vehicles would be a lot higher due to this monopolistic approach. Tesla is enjoying a good run for now but the major manufacturers , you know the ones that make vehicles the past 100 years are catching on and some have surpassed Tesla (Benz, Porsche, and Audi to name a few)
@@AB-jz9ns " What makes you think Tesla Gods are the only ones that know how to repair electric vehicles? "
I never claimed any such nonsense. Tesla does things "their way." If you don't like it, so be it.
"What if GM, Ford, Mercedes etc all required that ANY repairs will be performed by them ONLY and not only during warranty but for the lifetime of the vehicle? "
I'd say that's their right and if I don't agree I should buy something else.
The fact is Tesla ISN'T like those other brands which is one of the reasons people WANT them.
" Cost of ownership of vehicles would be a lot higher due to this monopolistic approach. "
That's your opinion. You have no idea what would happen because (until Tesla came to be) it's never been in practice. Your evidence would be anecdotal at best.
There is actually another device called the “Sense” that plugs into the circuit breaker box in your house that helps you with that.
Um, what car is getting 600 miles per tank of gasoline? I want to know!. Most cars are getting on a high end about 450 miles for a tank of gas if it’s an 1820 gallon tank on a relatively fuel-efficient automobile. Even hybrids don’t get that much because they have smaller tanks.
I would be so interested to see you re-do this video in a year! Definitely keep that in mind 😍
Why would the values change in a year? Electric companies keep power costs fairly predictable with small raises of a penny or two only every 5-10 years if that.
The car will be similarly efficient, just overall hold less charge over time, losing around 2% of its overall range per year… but again that won’t affect charge costs/rates.
@@WarlordXial I would think that a car is at peak performance when it leaves the factory. As time goes by all those moving parts wear. Tires are not maintained optimum. Is that 2% efficiency loss just in the battery or total car?
Thanks for making this video!! I’ve always been curious about the specifics of this!
5:23 answers the key question of video title. Also, nice new font there!
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I'm glad you said you had roommates. That electric bill would be outrageous for one person.
In Northern Illinois it’s $0.072 all day long. Amazingly inexpensive. Seems almost free by comparison vs gasoline.
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Your informative video gets me one step closer to getting a Tesla. I donated using your link, hope for the home or vacation :)
Hi Shelby!!
If you add in the cost of diesel fuel used to mine the lithium and then add in cost of disposal in non recyclable batteries, going green doesn't look so green
California PG&E kWh costs are now 51 cents per kWh during peak hours, lowest is 43 cents non-peak hours, this is now equivalent to having a gas vehicle that gets 30 mpg.... ya'll already fked it up before it even started.
This is your first video in a while Shelby. What you been doing lately? I missed you!!!
If I get a $500 electricity bill imma throw the whole house away 😂
IKR 🤣😆
SAME
Err no. You'd be better off installing solar.
Same my family pay around 80$
@@JeanPierreWhite Lol yeah, I’m just joking
Awesome vid! You broke it all the way down in a way that makes it easy to figure out and understand the cost of charging a ev. You covered all the angles, thanks. It all works so long as the electricity co. keep the rates down
Yeah, and at night in the cold your car loses charge. Its like having a hole in your gas tank that drains away money as you sleep. Absolute crap technology. The elements in the batteries are far worse to the environment than good old gasoline, hell you can use ethanol from corn if you want to pull the greenie card.
@@tonybrown9875 Petrol cars can lose a bit of mileage in the cold too you know? All cars suffer in the cold, especially if it's extreme. With Teslas (and probably most other EVs), you can set a threshold to the battery and leave the car plugged in to warm it up without using the battery to make it comfortable before a drive to avoid the need of turning the heat on while driving, which in turn gives you more range. After all, a lot of the range lost is caused by the heating and not so much by the weather itself, relatively speaking. The bill may be a bit higher, but at least you're keeping the range. What it can affect significantly is the charging speed, but that's besides the point.
And the elements themselves are not worse. What is worse is their extraction. Big difference.
Considering that the car battery can take anywhere from between six and twelve hours to charge here is a conversation I would probably have with my brother:
Me: Hey Bro, I am driving down for a visit. I wanna show you my new electric car. See you soon.
Brother: Great. What time will you be leaving
Me: I plan on leaving tomorrow about 8am
Brother: Great! See you this evening, will leave the light on.
Me: Oh no, I won’t be there for about three to five days.
Brother: Ah, so you plan on stopping to see the sights.
Me: No. The only stopping I will be doing is to charge my electric car. See you in about a week
LOL
No one wants to tell the whole story like this. Funny how easy many are fooled that there's something better about EV when in fact, there really isn't long term.
I almost spit my beer with that $576 electric bill. Here in Texas, that type of bill is for a 3500-4000 sq.ft. house in a dead heat of summer.
It makes you wonder if her estimate is off for the electricity used for the Tesla?
My thought exactly, have 2200 sq.ft. home and at most my electricity bill in 100° blistering Texas heat keeping my home at 75 has been $280 and we pay .12 a kwh.
No kidding. That $500 plus was an eye opener
I was thinking the same thing. We keep the AC at 75 and raise it to 78 when leaving the house for long periods of time. Even with these 100 plus degree days our bill has not passed $200.
It was 2 months but still lol
Your videos are always put together very well..love them.
What is the cost of having insurance for a Tesla?
State Farm charges me $100 more every six months than my 2017 Highlander Limited.
Progressive $770 for 6 months.
Stay away from Geico. Crazy rate for electric.
what about 7-10 years later when your battery needs to be replaced? If there are any savings to be had then it's out the window when you need to replace your battery at $5,000-$12,000.
very informative video, thanks Shelby!
How about charging losses? Does the app consider them as well? If not, I you may want to add some 20% to your calculation, that seems realistic for single phase AC charging. Still a lot cheaper than gas, even with electricity rates like here in Germany.
When you run out you can always grab a bucket of electricity to top it up.
In 10 to 15 years time cars will be running on cheap green Hydrogen
@@darrylknight2675 Proof of concept, though
@@darrylknight2675 Yeah, that has been the dream for decades. Green hydrogen? Is that like green electricity, of which the majority is generated from fossil fuels?
What will finally finish the EV revolution is the pure greed of energy providers. It’s happening now in the UK. My electric cost pkwh has increased from 7 pence pkwh to 29 pence pkwh hour in less than 8 months. That’s not to mention my standing charge for the privilege of being connected that more than tripled. I’m due another rise in October. My annual bill has gone from £800 yearly to £2400 combined gas & electric. Energy companies weren’t going to miss out on this meal ticket.
I have solar energy on my apartment, no utility bills! & an old Nissan Leaf electric car but no parking so I fast charge (still free or cheap) but yea the goal is to link them up & live on pure sunlight : )
Does anyone own a gas only vehicle that gets 500-600 miles AND ONLY has one tank that's not the size of the vehicle?? I ask because AT BEST I can get 375 out of my Rogue which has a decent sized tank if I just go highway and will cost me between $45-60 to fill up if on empty ONCE. The cost to charge a Tesla is a dream comparatively.
Max I’ve ever seen is 400. Cars with better gas mileage will have smaller tanks and still be around 400.
@@Vincent-ll5yp I don't honestly. More a questioning of where she got the 500-600 mile range figure for a gas powered car. The figure blew my mind. Now if she misspoke and meant hybrid cool, I'll buy that figure, but a gas only car no way.
@@BIGJATPSU The Audi A4 her sister drove a few years back has officially a range of 600 miles (14.2 gallon tank, 43/52 MPG combined/highway). My 2004 Volvo V70 diesel actually did achieve 600 miles consistely on 18.5 gallons of fuel.
I was thinking the same thing. Every gas car I've owned got around 200-300mi per tank max and they were rather efficient at 31mpg. My Tesla now has a 350mi range and charging is around 22 cents per KWh instead of paying 4.50/gal here in California.
RAV4 2021 hybrid gets 450 miles off 12 gallons
I don't own an EV but have always been curious of the electricity costs. Great video Shelby!
She forgot to add the cost of replacement battery after 13 years.
A replacement battery for an EV cost around $ 23,000.- Crazy. EVs. are a fad; hybrid vehicles make more sense; A friend of mine owned one and when he sold it, got several thousand dollars more than when he bought it!
@@chodkowski01 you can buy used battery from crashed tesla with 15k miles for $8-10k, even less so no need to spend $23k ;)))
Joe Biden is currently bragging about closing down coal power stations and replacing them with wind and solar and the tax revenue generated from petrol sales is pretty huge so expect a double whammy to hit you down the road driving an EV in the future....Road tax and very expensive unreliable power.
Obviously depends on how much one drives. We’ve been using EV’s for over 7 years, using only 110V charging, at home. It costs us around $1/car/day. My wife drives a bit less then 10K miles/year, with her Volt. We rarely need to add gas to it. I’m retired and put 9,500 miles on my Tesla 3 over 20 months, including a 2,500+ trip from LA to Idaho and back. Huge Savings!
@Larry Butler some folks get their work done at the dealer, paying full price … others go to shops that do the work for a fraction of the price. Teslas have Very Sophisticated battery management! It’s not like the early Leafs with No Battery Management, or the lithiums for your flash light. :-)
@Larry Butler You get that EV's have very few moving parts. They are like your TV. They either work or don't. Over 7 years with EV's and I've changed out wiper blades once. Brakes last forever. With the sophisticated battery management, that part is lasting very well. We did a commercial with the Million Mile Volvo. It was on it's 5th engine! And if it wasn't going into their museum, it would have needed a 6th one. There are Million Kilometer ... 620,000 miles ... Tesla Taxi's in Europe ... very popular over there ... on only their 2nd battery and motor! That's good enough for me. Tesla's are the Number One car in Norway ... that country that extends into the Arctic Circle ... and Sweden is about to catch them. Not No. 1 EV ... not #1 Import ... Number One car in sales. Are you still using a horse and buggy? I bet not ... :-)
Thank you for uploaded this video, it was so helpful and interesting! Tesla is my dream car and I love it 🥰❤
I'm surprised that it's that cheap to charge a tesla. Honestly, I was expecting somewhere around $70 per month for 700 miles.
Who the hell is only driving 700 miles in a month?
There's no point in owning a Tesla if you drive that little. Buy a used Civic.
Hey Shelby. Thanks for the cost breakdown on the Tesla per month. I could use your analogy on whether or not to buy a TESLA or any other electric car. I appreciate the information.
SO SHE SAVES $25 PER TANK but spent a huge amount of $70,000 buying the EV (versus buying gasoline car for just 15-20,000 dollars). Benjamin Franklin called that “Penny wise but dollar foolish.”
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What makes you think your on a first name basis psycho ?
This is probably not the future. Looking at the data the National Fire Protection Association and National Traffic Safety Board also don’t think these electric cars are close either.
When they burn they burn very hot and the lack of emergency response and inability to put out the fire due to thermal runaway makes them far more dangerous.
From the data published even the sulfur batteries are dangerous and manufactures are already recalling units such as the BMW and Audi e-Tron and the Volt which for some reason seems to catch on fire the most. Spontaneous battery fires seem to be common with the Volt.
The EVs are just not ready.
This video was probably one of the most well thought-out and researched videos I've seen in quite a while. Seriously, there's so much junk on RUclips now-a-days that finding an informative video like this where someone actually does their "homework" on the topic deserves an applause! Great job!👏
That electric bill is insane! My total utility bills for the month are under half that. Glad I don't live in california!!! That aside, nice video explaining the costs. Watching this makes me consider electric for my daily driver.
Look closely; its a two month bill.
$5.875 per gallon today in California x 13 gallon tank = $76.38 for about 380 to 400 miles or about 19¢ per mile for gasoline.
Just Googled gas price, the average tank size, and mileage numbers.
A kilowatt hour is the equivalent to a 1000 watt heater running for an hour. E=IR... Volts = Amps x Resistance. Watts is Volts x Amps so for 1000 Watts at 120 Volts it takes 8.33 Amps and 1000 Watts on continuously for an hour equals 1 Kilowatt Hour.
For household single phase power using a plumbing analogy:
Volts are the Pressure.
Amps are the Flow.
Watts are the Volume.
Watt Hours are the Volume over Period of Time.
Volts times Amps equals the Watts.
Watts are the Quantity of Energy.
Watts divided by 1000 times the Hours equals Kilowatt Hours.
A 10ft x 10ft x 8ft high room is going to get pretty warm for only 11 to 32 cents worth of electrical stuff.
An electric oven set at 350°F for an hour uses about 2 kilowatt hours of electricity or 22 cents worth at a good cheap rate.
Hope that somehow helps someone somewhere someway someday.
Amazing explanation! I really needed this.
Killed the video, great job lots of good information. Thanks for posting.
I'm still watching this even though I don't own a Tesla. Love your videos, Shelby
As electrics become popular,it will get more expensive in the future,
right now we’re in a grace period, where companies and governments are recommending such vehicles,
as sales increase over the years,and manufacturers build only electrics
most likely rates will increase,basically one will be at the mercy of the suppliers,let’s keep our fingers crossed!
Trusts me, trusts exactly what they have in their agenda!
Exactly the opposite will happen. When more electricity is generated by renewables, the cars' batteries will be playing a role of grid storage. In some cases you will get profit from charging your EV, buying electricity at a lower rate and selling it at higher rate (automatically). Also cheap renewables will drive the prices down because of oversupply. Last summer there were instances in Europe when electricity cost was negative.
Solar panels. Then you won't have to buy electricity from them.
Who cares what rates they charge? People who don't have solar panels.
Great video ! You make the absolute best Tesla videos ! 😊
That’s cheaper than filling one tank of gas good deal excellent way to tell a tesla saving a ton of money
My electric bill went up $26/month charging at 240/48A. By contrast I was spending $240/month on gas. I pay an average of $0.08/kWh.
Remind us again how much a replacement battery and install is...
@@letsbehonest4221 $8K to $12K depending on the model. How much does an internal combustion engine cost to replace? $5K to $8K for the engine and another $2K to $4K for the install and miscellaneous parts. How long does a battery last? Typically 10 years, warrantied for 8 to 10 depending on which model you get. How long does an internal combustion engine last? 8 to 10 years if properly maintained, with what was it again a 3-year warranty on the engine? So you're shit out of luck if something happens after three years. How much do you spend on gas? I spend less than $20/mo now to charge my car. How much do you pay for oil changes? I spend zero.
@@dfactor so to replace the battery and engine just once its $15000 - $24000... the warranty is 8 years or 180000 klms... and judging on how much claim you spend of fuel (you said $250 a month) you will blow over the warranty klm limit is just a few years...
... a warranty does not mean you Automatically get a new free battery, that only covery faults not wear and tear and all reports say people are only getting 4 years
out of a battery and have to pay a new 1
... i have been interested in getting an electric car but over time they work out wayyy more expensive then a normal car
@@letsbehonest4221 You may want to re-read my reply. The two costs were for the battery in an EV and the engine of an Internal combustion engine. The battery replacement is $8 to $12K for an EV and the engine replacement is about the same in an internal combustion engine. You are combining the two. I actually have found that I drive much less with the EV also, perhaps that is just my new job allowing me to work from home 2 to 3 days per week. In the long run, an EV is much less expensive, but since I've own this since June I've only put 5.5K miles on it. My previous car was a 2015 Subaru STi which got like 18 mpg combined on a good day and required premium unleaded. Now, I will say to get the maximum benefit in cost savings from an EV, you need to charge from home. Any 3rd Party charging service adds to the cost and you see diminished savings.
However, in the long run, despite the added upfront cost of purchasing an EV over a comparable vehicle, between reduced routine maintenance, fewer break changes from regenerative breaking, and fuel savings (especially if charging from home), you will break even between the 26 and 36 month mark, with the difference being variables such as fuel/energy cost and labor rates between areas as well as the interest rate on a loan. I paid cash for mine so I will see savings much sooner. Now if you're trying to compare a $50K Tesla versus an $18K Kia, then you probably won't realize savings for 5 or more years. As a finance guy, I do cost-benefit and breakeven analysis on any major purchase and I wouldn't have bought it if the savings weren't there, and that is the only reason I bought it. I'm not a "we all need to convert to green energy and eat only plants because cow farts kill the environment" type of person.
As for the battery warranty, The only times I've heard Tesla not honor the warranty were when people didn't properly maintain the battery, which is as simple as not charging it to 100% daily (they instruct you to keep it between 60 and 90% for daily driving). Or when someone had a flat tire and jacked up their car and it punctured the battery. There may be other cases, but those are the ones I have first hand verified knowledge of. I can't speak to Ford or GM or any other manufacturer, they may be as crappy about their EV warranties as they are about their usual warranties.
@@dfactor well maby if you replied to my comments properly there wouldn't have been any confusion
...i said BATTERY replacement..
..not engine replacement...so STFU..
.....but regardless i still stand by my previous comment..
These videos are such a relief
Good explanation and comparison of charging to fuel. I live here in New Zealand and fuel and power prices change from region to region (same as state to state for Americans). E vehicles here in New Zealand (nz) are expensive to buy new (2nd hand ones are unreliable for battery life). And we don't have a good amount of charging stations throughout nz if ya travel out of town a lot.
ken it will charge off any electric outlet, just not necessarily as fast as an official charging station.
I work for the electric company in Chicago, holy cow your electric bill is high!!! 25 cents is nuts per KWh. But since you live in shit Cali you have peak demand rates which is insane. It only cost me like $18 to charge my car and I drive 1500-1700 per month
The coal burned to create electricity for an electric car still gives off CO2. Also, it takes 600 tons of coal energy to build a windmill that will produce less energy in its lifetime then it takes to build. The amount of non-ionizing radiation emitted by electric cars will slowly kill you. You must get a harmonizer to neutralize the radiation.
Ah, WRONG on so many levels.
NO, you don't need a 'harmonizer'. That is just patent nonsense.
Windmills generate MORE in electricity/energy within the first two years than they took to build in resources AND energy.
Windmills usually last from 20-25 years.
@@PhrontDoor I know a little bit about the effects of non-ionizing radiation upon living organisms my friend. It is extremely destructive. Dr Jack Kruse is a highly respected neurosurgeon and a world-renowned biophysicist. I'll trust what he has to say if you don't mind. Whoever told you that windmills don't require tremendous amounts of coal produced electricity to build lied to you. Whoever told you that they don't cause radical climate change lied to you. Whoever told you they are not killing off the bird population lied to you. Whenever filthy rich corporate socialist oligarchs and their giant corporations, along with their corrupt corporate media, tell you things, you can pretty much figure out that it's the opposite of what they are telling you. I'm guessing that you do your research on Google, which has tens of thousands of censors, along with powerful AI algorithms, to make sure you never find out the truth about their giant money making schemes - like windmills. These corporations are all owned by the same families that funded Adolf Hitler. I should know - I probably spent over 50,000 hours tracking the Nazi families, their money and their crimes.
also power station if burning coal or gas are allot more efficient than burning it at Source.
There's always tradeoffs and no such thing as free energy. Most people buying electric cars do it because they save money on gas. A few may do it based on a pie in the sky assumption that they are protecting the environment but the reality is a battery car probably has a similar carbon footprint as any other car after you factor it what it takes to build those batteries.
@@aceace605 This has been repeatedly studied. Carbon footprint is far lower (from build, use and so on) for EVs.
I would love to see a video on how you and Monica share/split finances! I know you guys bought your two houses together, so I'm curious to see how that dynamic is and what your logic was behind that
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$.082 per kwh here in ND for residential. Could not imagine.$.24 in Cali.
1. If it takes 5 barrels of crude oil to make a battery capable of 1 barrel of energy, where is the benefit? 2. Electric companies will not allow EVeh charging on off peak rates (I've asked). 3. The grid in America can not support/handle EVeh charging. Yes, electric vehicles don't use gasoline, they do not get the same distance per "fill" as a gasoline engine does. My Ford Edge with 2.0 L4 Ecobust gets 28 - 38 MPG (depending on wind) Once the ND Battery gets price effective, EVeh's will be attractive.
Thank You so much for posting this. I was always curious about the REAL cost to charge a Tesla . The meter doesn't seem like it make a huge difference in you monthly cost.
SO SHE SAVES $25 PER TANK but spent a huge amount of $70,000 buying the EV (versus buying gasoline car for just 15-20,000 dollars). Benjamin Franklin called that “Penny wise but dollar foolish.”
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