Great review. I would love for channels like yours to exist in Portuguese, in my country few people speak English fluently. I feel privileged to be able to speak English and have access to such good content. Watching from Brazil 🇧🇷
@@BiblicalBookworm Yes, there are excellent channels with great priests and scholars. Brazil is the country with the largest number of Catholics in the world and we have great scholars on the subject but I miss a channel exclusively dedicated to reviews that has as much quality as your channel.
@@Ed.Andrade_ hmmm I see. The thing is that reviewing Catholic/Christian books is very very niche (even in English) so its understandable that this doesn't exist in other languages 😕
@@BiblicalBookworm Yes, thank you for your dedication in making the reviews. They are very good and I'm sure they can help a lot of people. God bless you 🙏🏻
I love Leibniz, the child prodigy polymath like Blaise Pascal. I have always had an interest in the topic of geniuses. One many don’t know who was a Christian was a man named Leonhard Euler, imo the greatest mathematician to ever live. He wrote “A defense of the revelation against the objections of freethinkers.” These great minds who were no doubt child prodigy and genius had faith in Christ, which strengthens my faith.
@@davidkupiec Fortunately, I don't believe in the gospel. Jesus is reported as saying that he would return while some his disciples were still alive. However, 2000 years later, we are still waiting. Furthermore, Hell - and Heaven - appear to be fictional. I see no evidence to sugges that the universe is a moral obstacle course presided over by a cosmic Kim Jong Un.
Imagine God is perfect. God is the essence of perfection that God cannot lack. In this scenario, the gods described could not be perfect if there was any lacking.. for those who assert that the God that they believe in is perfect with that God created us he didn’t have us therefore, under this scenario couldn’t have been perfect.
Thank You for digging the insights for us😄 Kindly consider re-writing the book in a structured fashion and complementing it with insights from the other books you have read
You're welcome! 😄 We'll see, maybe someone else wants to volunteer, right now I'm really happy that I finished the book because I didn't enjoy the reading experience too much hahahah
So according to the fewness of the saved theory 98.5% of Japanese people are going to suffer in hell for all eternity?! I can't believe that is true. Btw I really enjoy your channel Elizabeth. Thank you and keep up the good work.🙂👍
As I mentioned in the video we don't know how many people will be saved, so there is hope the fewness of the saved is wrong. I'm glad you like my channel! 😊
Not just Japanese, everyone. It's been a while since I listened to it and had my hope destroyed, but I think he only had 5 out of a hundred practicing Catholics making the cut, and most of them went to Purgatory.
@@leoncaruthers I am sorry to hear your experience! Hope doesn't have to be a feeling. The experience of saints with their dark nights of the soul teaches us that sometimes we don't feel any positive feeling regarding God etc. But that doesn't hinder us from becoming saints. Rationally speaking, God loves you and will give you every necessary grace if you only ask for it. You don't have to feel hope, its enough to know that there is no reason to despair🌹
Does this youtube creator represent an average Christian? Watching a couple of videos from this creator, I am convinced that she (or her type of a theist) is the future of theists in this world. People using certain aspects of our modern understanding of how things work to bolster their faith (completly ignoring objections to their flawed proces). It is unfortunate that this is the limit to our species as a whole and education has very limited scope to improve critical thinking in our species.
Which objections am I ignoring? Either way, this video is simply a summary of the book "Theodicy" from 1710. So the arguments presented in the video are not modern.
@@BiblicalBookworm Well for starters, lets talk about "a good god creating the best possible world". Has the Mathmetician-Philosopher considerd all the possibilities of the best possible worlds, I can think of one possibility (this is not my original idea, I borrowed it from a youtuber named Tjump. I would suggest you to go through some of his discussions with theists & philosophers on different subjects) a best possible world contender would be a world where "Involuntry imposition on will of a being (any being) is not permitted, even God is not allowed to impose his will on any beings without the express approval from the being".
The way I see it is that without the righteousness, justice, love and truth of God, there can only be misery, pain and suffering. So when Jesus comes back the people that rejected him, he will reject them.
what are you talking about?? There are already misery, pain, and suffering all around regardless. Are you blind to all this? The horrors of the gaza and ukraine wars. Atrocities that didn't need to be there yet this "god" allowed it and does absolutely NOTHING! Then all of sudden, when these people die, he gets all interested to want to punish them for their alleged "sins"! If he couldn't be bothered with the living, why the hell would he bother with the dead?? You are just as a hypocrite as this god!
The first "a" in "acid" and "Adam" are short vowel sound "a"s just as the second "a" in "Adam" is a short "a". Another example would be "hate" has a long "a", but "hat" has a short "a".
@@BiblicalBookworm Your English is amazing. I love that you are open to feedback. In the future, if you are reviewing a book written in German, it would be nice to hear you quote part of it in German just so that we can get a glimpse of you speaking as you normally do.
@@AnonymousViewer1000 my voice would probably sound very strange to you in German 😂 The Theodicy was written in French btw (a foreign language for Leibniz). I read it in German
@@BiblicalBookworm I agree with the point that you made in your first sentence. We often get to see that effect when an actor is interviewed on television and speaks in his/her real voice and accent which are different from what he/she uses on his television show. I always like to see and appreciate as much as I can of the real person in any role in life for ethical reasons based on Kantian ethics which contribute to my ethical perspective and behaviour as a Christian. Immanuel Kant wrote about the "kingdom of ends" where each person should be regarded and treated as an end in him-/herself and not just as a means to an end. In other words, no person is just a tool that performs a service. Each person, such as all the service people with whom we interact thoughtlessly, is a full person and should be treated as such. This is why I encouraged you to share more about yourself in a previous comment.
In your case, I often wonder how such a holy person is living her life. I look to the lives of other Christians (and not just the great saints) for inspiration. You have probably read Kant in German, lol.
I witnessed demonic activity firsthand, though I wasn’t the one who invoked it and would NEVER do so. Nevertheless, I know that almighty God exists because I know with 100% certainty that supernatural evil exists. Demons are real and they are here with us unfortunately. Folks, please take my word for it and never doubt God’s existence. This very scary demonic exposure I witnessed will forever serve as solid proof to me of God’s awesome existence.
@@lorelei1782 No, but it was my ex-girlfriend’s sister’s boyfriend who caused it to happen. It was just one occurrence that I knew of. I believe he was into sorcery because he somehow knew how to summon the demonic. Very scary but very real, and I NEVER want to experience something like that again. I do, however, consider it a huge blessing from God that He allowed me such undeniable proof, though I’ll admit I was scared to the core. Whenever I feel that my faith is low I always go back to that night and my faith is immediately restored.
Thoughts can be sinful, to the point of mortal sin, which would cut us off completely from God's sanctifying grace. "He who has listed within their hearts has already signed". There are also sins for inaction, for example, neglecting your duties in life or rejecting doing God's will, which can also lead to loss of grace.
@@davidkupiec ok makes total sence actually , thanks , there's so much to our faith , I've heard of "catholic guilt" and as I dive deeper into the faith it gets alot more interesting. And the funny part is what the saints talk about as we progress faithfully is actually visible in the heart .....thanks
If a third of the angels are in hell and they had “perfect insight” into the will of God, I can’t see how the majority of people won’t also be saved, given how deeply imperfect, broken, and veiled our intellect and will is relative to God’s will. Also, how much suffering has been offered up to God, by at least Catholics for sinners and unbelievers and how many countless prayers, rosaries, and novenas have been offered up for this same reason, all in an appeal to Christ’s “infinite mercy”. If less than 1% of humans are saved (based on the math) then either the odds were stacked against us from day one and/or God is not merciful; this if even less than 50% are saved… then the devil has one the fight. Also, the saints aren’t infallible, the Church is, and thus I’m not inclined to believe those who think most will be damned, especially those who feel it’s closer to 99%. If so, this isn’t infinite mercy but cruelty and infinite justice. This is not the hallmark of a loving God but an unmerciful one.
Yes, saints are fallible so St. Leonard and others could be wrong! However, even if 99% of people went to hell that would not contradict God's goodness as Leibniz explains.
@@BiblicalBookworm Right. According to “his” opinion and how “he” understands God’s goodness. There is nothing objective about this understanding of his. Personally, I find this opinion that God can still be considered good even though 99% of humans are in hell to be disgusting and incredibly toxic. This would not be an expression of a good God but one that genuinely doesn’t care about his creation and/or one who held us to a standard that was too high to be met; again, pure justice and no mercy. Such a “god”as this is worthy of our worship, I think not. I guess it’s good we don’t know how many souls are in hell. Also, I realize the path may be wide to hell but that doesn’t mean there isn’t mercy offered to those who may have deserved this end for themselves. After all, Jesus does speak of forgiveness in this age or the age to come. Christ also taught there would be those who are saved despite their ignorance of God’s will. In addition to what I mentioned earlier, it just doesn’t add up for me.
@gregw74, I am with you. The more I think about this stuff, the more I doubt God's goodness. It sometimes gets to the point that I wish I was never born, or at least God gave me the opportunity to cease existing forever.
All these 'high intellectual arguments' reminds me of the movie NEFARIOUS when the convicted murderer said to the psychiatrist "sometimes smart people have a hard time believing what everybody else already knows".... it's funny how so many people fight so hard to NOT BELIEVE HELL EXISTS it confirms for me the devil is real and this is his greatest lie and trick upon us....
Yes. Being able to THINK is so nefarious. I feel so sad for every child traumatized (as i was) to fear this heinous view of God. Never feeling safe. Complete and utter abuse.
I’m not gonna grant you any presuppositions. You need to demonstrate every aspect of your claim.. define saved. And then empirically demonstrate how that supposed to work. Claims and assertions aren’t good enough. My book says isn’t good enough.
Has anybody ever defined 'good'? For example, IF heaven is eternal then the farging horrible things that god does in the OT are 'explainable' by the fact of heaven, much in the same way we could state that scaring a child from playing in traffic 'saves them' in the long run. Its a pretty spurious argument thought, can the OT god in ANY way be thought to be 'good'? HE if farging horrible, NOBODY would 'want' to pray to such a god unless they were terrified, the same way a beaten dog may cling to its owner. But most of that is kind of drunken pointless argumentation. "All good" doesn't even make sense. I want to BE god, I dont' want to 'follow' god or obey him or praise him, screw that. And its god that keeps me from that, so how can that be 'good'? Evil certainly results from choices. There are thoughts we 'just don't know'. How come some of those thoughts are not 'how to do evil'? And the fact that we ALL agree that 'wood' exists and we take it for granted, then it seems odd that 'god' cant be as obvious.
Interesting how the same person can be smart enough to invent calculus, but stupid enough to make stupid arguments about God. For example, trying to claim that animals do not suffer because they aren't smart enough to be miserable that they are suffering.
No, you can’t conclude because the premise is flawed. The fact is that nobody knows and you don’t just get to make up whatever you want. Crap argument.
Great review. I would love for channels like yours to exist in Portuguese, in my country few people speak English fluently. I feel privileged to be able to speak English and have access to such good content. Watching from Brazil 🇧🇷
Let us pray that God calls such Portuguese channels into exitence! 🙏
@@BiblicalBookworm Yes, there are excellent channels with great priests and scholars. Brazil is the country with the largest number of Catholics in the world and we have great scholars on the subject but I miss a channel exclusively dedicated to reviews that has as much quality as your channel.
@@Ed.Andrade_ hmmm I see. The thing is that reviewing Catholic/Christian books is very very niche (even in English) so its understandable that this doesn't exist in other languages 😕
@@BiblicalBookworm Yes, thank you for your dedication in making the reviews. They are very good and I'm sure they can help a lot of people. God bless you 🙏🏻
@@Ed.Andrade_ thank you! God bless you too!
I love Leibniz, the child prodigy polymath like Blaise Pascal. I have always had an interest in the topic of geniuses. One many don’t know who was a Christian was a man named Leonhard Euler, imo the greatest mathematician to ever live. He wrote “A defense of the revelation against the objections of freethinkers.” These great minds who were no doubt child prodigy and genius had faith in Christ, which strengthens my faith.
scholarlycommons.pacific.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?filename=0&article=1091&context=euler-works&type=additional
I've been also always fascinated by geniuses!
I didn't know that Euler was a Christian, thanks for sharing!
@@BiblicalBookworm scholarlycommons.pacific.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?filename=0&article=1091&context=euler-works&type=additional
Great book review Elizabeth, thank you for sharing God bless you 🙏
Glad you liked it, God bless you too Mr. Alvarez!
@@BiblicalBookworm Thank you Elizabeth 😊
Makes one thankful that it is unlikely that such a God exists.
He does exist 100%
Unfortunately, if you believe in the gospel, then he does exist. And has a right to send us to hell for our wickedness if we reject his grace.
@@davidkupiec Fortunately, I don't believe in the gospel. Jesus is reported as saying that he would return while some his disciples were still alive. However, 2000 years later, we are still waiting. Furthermore, Hell - and Heaven - appear to be fictional. I see no evidence to sugges that the universe is a moral obstacle course presided over by a cosmic Kim Jong Un.
Imagine God is perfect. God is the essence of perfection that God cannot lack. In this scenario, the gods described could not be perfect if there was any lacking.. for those who assert that the God that they believe in is perfect with that God created us he didn’t have us therefore, under this scenario couldn’t have been perfect.
Great job Elisabeth, fantastic video as usual, I hope your Lent is going well and God bless you!
I happy you liked it! God bless you too!
Hope beyond Hell by Gerry Beauchemin very helpful
Thank you for the recommendation!
Id love another video on the deductions of the other attributes of God, go for it Elisabeth you're great.
Thank You for digging the insights for us😄 Kindly consider re-writing the book in a structured fashion and complementing it with insights from the other books you have read
You're welcome! 😄
We'll see, maybe someone else wants to volunteer, right now I'm really happy that I finished the book because I didn't enjoy the reading experience too much hahahah
@@BiblicalBookworm 🤣
Your consistency is commendable!
Thank you!
Sounds like a bang. You were very clever in this video I noticed Elisabeth. I enjoyed this.
Thank you!
I’m sure moral philosophers who 2/3s are sceptics, have considered these arguments and found them wanting.
So according to the fewness of the saved theory 98.5% of Japanese people are going to suffer in hell for all eternity?! I can't believe that is true. Btw I really enjoy your channel Elizabeth. Thank you and keep up the good work.🙂👍
As I mentioned in the video we don't know how many people will be saved, so there is hope the fewness of the saved is wrong.
I'm glad you like my channel! 😊
Not just Japanese, everyone. It's been a while since I listened to it and had my hope destroyed, but I think he only had 5 out of a hundred practicing Catholics making the cut, and most of them went to Purgatory.
@@leoncaruthers no reason to stop hoping! With God's grace everything is possible, we just need to humbly ask for it! 🤗
@@BiblicalBookworm I've asked for hope many times since I first heard that sermon. Never comes, I just find new reasons for despair.
@@leoncaruthers I am sorry to hear your experience!
Hope doesn't have to be a feeling. The experience of saints with their dark nights of the soul teaches us that sometimes we don't feel any positive feeling regarding God etc. But that doesn't hinder us from becoming saints. Rationally speaking, God loves you and will give you every necessary grace if you only ask for it. You don't have to feel hope, its enough to know that there is no reason to despair🌹
I am one of those rare nontheists who very much believes that we do inhabit the best of all possible worlds.
This is great❤
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God is Good, Man chooses not to be. Suffering brings a good.
Does this youtube creator represent an average Christian?
Watching a couple of videos from this creator, I am convinced that she (or her type of a theist) is the future of theists in this world. People using certain aspects of our modern understanding of how things work to bolster their faith (completly ignoring objections to their flawed proces).
It is unfortunate that this is the limit to our species as a whole and education has very limited scope to improve critical thinking in our species.
Which objections am I ignoring?
Either way, this video is simply a summary of the book "Theodicy" from 1710. So the arguments presented in the video are not modern.
@@BiblicalBookworm Well for starters, lets talk about "a good god creating the best possible world".
Has the Mathmetician-Philosopher considerd all the possibilities of the best possible worlds, I can think of one possibility (this is not my original idea, I borrowed it from a youtuber named Tjump. I would suggest you to go through some of his discussions with theists & philosophers on different subjects) a best possible world contender would be a world where "Involuntry imposition on will of a being (any being) is not permitted, even God is not allowed to impose his will on any beings without the express approval from the being".
The way I see it is that without the righteousness, justice, love and truth of God, there can only be misery, pain and suffering. So when Jesus comes back the people that rejected him, he will reject them.
Beautifully said!
what are you talking about?? There are already misery, pain, and suffering all around regardless. Are you blind to all this? The horrors of the gaza and ukraine wars. Atrocities that didn't need to be there yet this "god" allowed it and does absolutely NOTHING! Then all of sudden, when these people die, he gets all interested to want to punish them for their alleged "sins"! If he couldn't be bothered with the living, why the hell would he bother with the dead?? You are just as a hypocrite as this god!
The first "a" in "acid" and "Adam" are short vowel sound "a"s just as the second "a" in "Adam" is a short "a". Another example would be "hate" has a long "a", but "hat" has a short "a".
Thank you! I noticed that when editing 🙈 Whenever you find any other mistakes please feel free to tell me!
@@BiblicalBookworm Your English is amazing. I love that you are open to feedback. In the future, if you are reviewing a book written in German, it would be nice to hear you quote part of it in German just so that we can get a glimpse of you speaking as you normally do.
@@AnonymousViewer1000 my voice would probably sound very strange to you in German 😂
The Theodicy was written in French btw (a foreign language for Leibniz). I read it in German
@@BiblicalBookworm I agree with the point that you made in your first sentence. We often get to see that effect when an actor is interviewed on television and speaks in his/her real voice and accent which are different from what he/she uses on his television show. I always like to see and appreciate as much as I can of the real person in any role in life for ethical reasons based on Kantian ethics which contribute to my ethical perspective and behaviour as a Christian. Immanuel Kant wrote about the "kingdom of ends" where each person should be regarded and treated as an end in him-/herself and not just as a means to an end. In other words, no person is just a tool that performs a service. Each person, such as all the service people with whom we interact thoughtlessly, is a full person and should be treated as such. This is why I encouraged you to share more about yourself in a previous comment.
In your case, I often wonder how such a holy person is living her life. I look to the lives of other Christians (and not just the great saints) for inspiration. You have probably read Kant in German, lol.
Yay another video !!!
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I witnessed demonic activity firsthand, though I wasn’t the one who invoked it and would NEVER do so. Nevertheless, I know that almighty God exists because I know with 100% certainty that supernatural evil exists. Demons are real and they are here with us unfortunately. Folks, please take my word for it and never doubt God’s existence. This very scary demonic exposure I witnessed will forever serve as solid proof to me of God’s awesome existence.
I’m curious if you ever saw a secular therapist or psychiatrist/psychologist over these demonic experiences?
Anthony De Stefano writes in his book on hell that evil is often the strongest and most visible indicator of the supernatural. Thank you for sharing!
@@lorelei1782 No, but it was my ex-girlfriend’s sister’s boyfriend who caused it to happen. It was just one occurrence that I knew of. I believe he was into sorcery because he somehow knew how to summon the demonic. Very scary but very real, and I NEVER want to experience something like that again. I do, however, consider it a huge blessing from God that He allowed me such undeniable proof, though I’ll admit I was scared to the core. Whenever I feel that my faith is low I always go back to that night and my faith is immediately restored.
Honest question here ? What is church teachings on going to hell on thoughts alone not actions .......
Thoughts can be sinful, to the point of mortal sin, which would cut us off completely from God's sanctifying grace. "He who has listed within their hearts has already signed".
There are also sins for inaction, for example, neglecting your duties in life or rejecting doing God's will, which can also lead to loss of grace.
@@davidkupiec ok makes total sence actually , thanks , there's so much to our faith , I've heard of "catholic guilt" and as I dive deeper into the faith it gets alot more interesting. And the funny part is what the saints talk about as we progress faithfully is actually visible in the heart .....thanks
If a third of the angels are in hell and they had “perfect insight” into the will of God, I can’t see how the majority of people won’t also be saved, given how deeply imperfect, broken, and veiled our intellect and will is relative to God’s will. Also, how much suffering has been offered up to God, by at least Catholics for sinners and unbelievers and how many countless prayers, rosaries, and novenas have been offered up for this same reason, all in an appeal to Christ’s “infinite mercy”. If less than 1% of humans are saved (based on the math) then either the odds were stacked against us from day one and/or God is not merciful; this if even less than 50% are saved… then the devil has one the fight. Also, the saints aren’t infallible, the Church is, and thus I’m not inclined to believe those who think most will be damned, especially those who feel it’s closer to 99%. If so, this isn’t infinite mercy but cruelty and infinite justice. This is not the hallmark of a loving God but an unmerciful one.
Yes, saints are fallible so St. Leonard and others could be wrong!
However, even if 99% of people went to hell that would not contradict God's goodness as Leibniz explains.
@@BiblicalBookworm Right. According to “his” opinion and how “he” understands God’s goodness. There is nothing objective about this understanding of his. Personally, I find this opinion that God can still be considered good even though 99% of humans are in hell to be disgusting and incredibly toxic. This would not be an expression of a good God but one that genuinely doesn’t care about his creation and/or one who held us to a standard that was too high to be met; again, pure justice and no mercy. Such a “god”as this is worthy of our worship, I think not. I guess it’s good we don’t know how many souls are in hell. Also, I realize the path may be wide to hell but that doesn’t mean there isn’t mercy offered to those who may have deserved this end for themselves. After all, Jesus does speak of forgiveness in this age or the age to come. Christ also taught there would be those who are saved despite their ignorance of God’s will. In addition to what I mentioned earlier, it just doesn’t add up for me.
@gregw74, I am with you. The more I think about this stuff, the more I doubt God's goodness. It sometimes gets to the point that I wish I was never born, or at least God gave me the opportunity to cease existing forever.
All these 'high intellectual arguments' reminds me of the movie NEFARIOUS when the convicted murderer said to the psychiatrist "sometimes smart people have a hard time believing what everybody else already knows".... it's funny how so many people fight so hard to NOT BELIEVE HELL EXISTS it confirms for me the devil is real and this is his greatest lie and trick upon us....
Very true!
Yes. Being able to THINK is so nefarious. I feel so sad for every child traumatized (as i was) to fear this heinous view of God. Never feeling safe. Complete and utter abuse.
Dear St. Gertrude, I simply ask for her, please ask of God that she goes to heaven 🌹⚕️❤️🔥 ... God is so good, you just need to ask
Amen!
I’m not gonna grant you any presuppositions. You need to demonstrate every aspect of your claim.. define saved. And then empirically demonstrate how that supposed to work. Claims and assertions aren’t good enough. My book says isn’t good enough.
Has anybody ever defined 'good'? For example, IF heaven is eternal then the farging horrible things that god does in the OT are 'explainable' by the fact of heaven, much in the same way we could state that scaring a child from playing in traffic 'saves them' in the long run. Its a pretty spurious argument thought, can the OT god in ANY way be thought to be 'good'? HE if farging horrible, NOBODY would 'want' to pray to such a god unless they were terrified, the same way a beaten dog may cling to its owner.
But most of that is kind of drunken pointless argumentation. "All good" doesn't even make sense. I want to BE god, I dont' want to 'follow' god or obey him or praise him, screw that. And its god that keeps me from that, so how can that be 'good'? Evil certainly results from choices. There are thoughts we 'just don't know'. How come some of those thoughts are not 'how to do evil'? And the fact that we ALL agree that 'wood' exists and we take it for granted, then it seems odd that 'god' cant be as obvious.
I believe what Jesus and St Leonard of Port Maurice said man
Interesting how the same person can be smart enough to invent calculus, but stupid enough to make stupid arguments about God. For example, trying to claim that animals do not suffer because they aren't smart enough to be miserable that they are suffering.
I think he didn't mean not smart enough but he meant that animals don't have a consciousness
@@BiblicalBookworm He clearly never owned a dog. Especially not a dog that loved him and was bonded to him.
No, you can’t conclude because the premise is flawed. The fact is that nobody knows and you don’t just get to make up whatever you want. Crap argument.