Here in the Netherlands we don't describe it as cold and mean, but more as honesty. When we don't like something we don't want to lie, out of hospitality.
sorry i have to do it this way but i am doing a small research on what tourists love about the netherlands and what they dont. So can you please give me top 3 of good and a top 3 of bad things it would really help me out. Groeten uut Twente
I find it so funny with the Indonesian and Mexican guy going "It's so cold!". I'm from Sweden but living in the Netherlands, for me it's "So warm!". Love it here though :)
Ok, thank you. I respect that, and i apologize for some ignorant Dutch people commenting on video´s about Canada. And with Dj´s i actually mean music producers, (trance, house, hardstyle etc)
Haha, yea my Oma (grandmother) came to our house and she asked for mayonase for her fries :P it was funny but we tried it and it's actually pretty good!
I think Holland/the Netherlands is a beautiful place with beautiful people and infrastructure for biking that the world over can really take a lesson from! They are down to earth non materialistic people that I would love it if any of my 4 sons were to marry into! And that's coming from a Canadian! The world will only become a better place when we look at each others differences as compliments and not antagonistically. Really people make the world a better place! It starts with each of us!
The UK, US and especially Soviet union did almost all of the work and sacrificed the most saving Europe. 1600-1700 were different times, but you can still recognize the Dutch power from back then in our welfare these days, one of the best qualities of life, one of the most developed countries in the world, the best in the world at some sports, world famous brands, 16th largest economy in the world, 3rd happiest country in the world, extreme low crime rate (despite our drugs based laws).
Sometimes I watch a program in The Netherlands which is called'' Ik vertrek'' were Dutch people imegrant to other countries. This is were they make appointments with companies and the companies don't even show up for weeks or days. So hating on the orginazation from the Dutch people is dumb, it keeps us Accurate and disciplined.
We're the best ice skating country in the world, one of the best field hockey countries in the world, we were the best/one of the best soccer countries in the past, and a couple of years ago one of the best. We won world championship baseball in 2011, but I'm not going to claim that one because that was just once, in the past we were one of the best cycling countries, we have the best female cycler that ever lived, best horse dressage rider ever.
That is simply the truth to some extend. Once you get into the semi's, the WC is more difficult. Untill the semi's the euro championship is more difficult I think.
It is a very nice country esp. in spring. Very liberal compared to USA. I was a scholar at Rotterdam in 1984 and lived with a Dutch widow. The people are taxed so much to maintain their flood control systems. They are really frugal people.
@rikgales123 1 Minute a big deal? I don't really think so, unless the one that is waiting is on a bad mood or has a tight schedule. But Dutch can also be a couple of minutes late.
And as I already said, some Dutch soccer players belong to the best soccer players ever lived. There were times that the the Netherlands had to best/ one of the best group of players in the world. On paper, they were the best. All players played excellent at their clubs.
Yes it is... All the major soccer countries are European countries, there are only two other major soccer countries which are Brazil and Argentina, it's even harder at the European championship to get further into the tournament. Because the chances are higher your opponent is strong.
@cammicty Girl you are so lucky I just logged on before bedtime, so that I could educate you once again. My country has been mixed so many times its hard to keep track. We have brown hair, brown eyes, blond hair blue eyes and everything in the middle, for a reason. And we are a success. Other races have assimulated and consequently changed the total dutch genetics bit by bit. In America there is segregation to the max. The whites on the left, the asians in this corner (cont...)
And all of that even though we're such a small country, we're probably relatively the most successful/best performing country in the world. Even at sports, 13th on the Olympics. A little little country, 13th and the best in the world at several sports.
I understand that, I never said we explored anything. We just built cities all over the globe, and had the most powerful fleet in the world. One of those cities happened to be what New York is now. Either way, to say the dutch have had no impact on the world is insane. As I said, they were the most powerful country in existence at one point.
@cammicty I did not say Americans are timide. They are the complete oposite. But you said we are too blunt and nosy. I said that this has brought achievements just like it has done for the US. Its better than being timide like some countries (not the US and not Holland).
@myppie Wij waren zeevaders, mensen die buiten hun borders gingen kijken mensen die niet bang waren voor het onbekende. We zijn het in zekere zin eigenlijk nog steeds, heel veel mensen van Nederland werken in het buitenland omdat we ons snel kunnen aanpassen. Dat is toch degelijk cultuur.
i think u're jealous about the Netherlands :-) such a small country but so avant gard in everything and for ages we are like this :-) always a step further from the rest of the world... i 'am so proud of the Netherlands .-)
@CCDevlin I was referring to other things about the Dutch Culture, why they don't smile, are so rigid, why they stare, narrow thinking, and sometimes the logic, OMG. I've been living here for 8 years, and I've traveled and lived in other parts of Europe, however, I've never met anyone who thinks and acts like the Dutch. I had to do research to help me to endure living here, etc,. They've borrowed from every other Culture in Society, from Asia, (how they became rich at one time) cont,
You're right, ned consists out of Belgians, Hollanders and Frisian, of which the Belgians are the oldest. Hollanders only came into the picture a couple of 100 years ago. In same way, "the Netherl" are existentially dependent of Belgium, since HOL annexated & suppressed Belgium (from the Rhine southwards, incl Bourgogne + other now-France regions), so this "republic" was called by people Bourgondian Netherlands, but officially was called Leo Belgicus, since Belgium was the real deal....cont...
almost 1/3rd of the people living here in Holland came from different country's or has parents that came from a different country (thus having THEIR habits). so YES we are multicultural!
@CCDevlin Actually since you opened up this topic, this is not what I was talking about when I said ''Borrowed Culture'' ! Not all of the references you listed above, originated in Holland! It would take an Essay to complete all of things that are disappointing about Holland! Holland I'm sure, is all you know, other than what you've read in books about the US, taking a brief trip does not count! I've actually delved deep into the Dutch Culture to find out what makes them tick cont'
Not even in the top 50? So many people from other countries love our laws and would love to live here. By the way, The Netherlands is the number 3 country in the world with best human developments/ living conditions.
We discovered all kinds of trading routes and became rich as fuck. And yeah, our military isn't big, but we don't need one. We have a strong economy and are on of the (relatively) richest countries in the world.
I'm stuck believing I'm the only leanback, tolerant Dutchman left! :( Too many people believe immigrants came here for the economical benefits so there's a lot of resentment towards foreigners (tho not tourists, it's a world of difference, oddly we love tourists) though it's not much different from the whole 'New Nationalistic Phase' Europe (nationalistic/rightwing parties are popular) seems to be going through.
@CCDevlin I've the greatest outlook on life, unlike the average Dutchie! I'm a world traveler, and I see the world & people as they are, I speak truth & facts. Nothing comes from my mouth unless it has been calculated. I've done the research, walked the walk, lived the life, etc. I don't make empty statements! Do you know about ''my'' life? I 'm sure you could never handle a women like me with the greatest ambitions, I'm not a Dutch woman! Most Dutch don't get me, Typical they're Dutch! lol
@CCDevlin cont, took from Africa, lol there is so much, and this was many European Cultures actually, who stole to add to their Culture, however, when I was referring to what I do not care for about the Dutch Culture there are so many things. If one is just visiting, they can deal, but when you live here, it's overwhelming. The Dutch are so quick to tell you what you should do and how you should do it, but when I give it back to them they can't take it. I could go on, but it's a waste. cont,
Okey, to put a sentence to it all, back in the days of colonies, Europe was the known world. In European perspective, Christofer Colombus discovered America, even though Native Americans where there long before the Europeans. Also the Dutch is after the UK known as the last colonial Empires, and has a big impact on history as our dutch friend says. Take South Africa, a great example. Continues..
lol @ 0:35. that dude.. we use more often bikes than other countries. but we dont replace bikes for cars. we have a lot of cars out here. just saying. cuz this comment of that Indonesia student is not so clearly.
No, there was no city there. We founded it and named it New Amsterdam, we didn't just conquer something that already existed. During that Era we owned colonies all over the world and had the very largest fleet on the entire planet.
@CCDevlin This was far from my point, which still holds true. However, thanks for a repeat of the knowledge I already have, as I well know, regarding the DOP, who signed what, copied what and where, and what it was formed after, etc,. Regarding " American Culture" what was it then and what is it now; as it's greatly changed over the last 300 years. "Our founding fathers'' as they say.) The Dutch, Irish, French, Brits, etc, had a part in stealing and forming what's called the USA, cont,
@CCDevlin cont, the pressure to perform in the US is the best, you have no pressure to perform here, you do what your Goverenment dictates, what's learned through the constant brainwashing in your schools, about your ways, as if they are the best ways in the world to do a certain thing, etc, '' what Netherlanders do, etc'' who cares! I had to go to the school to tell the teacher to keep her views to the education of my child, and do not instill the doctrines of the Dutch thinking in his head!
Continuation: If i understand right, you're Canadian, and Empire also, like it or not, had an impact, just think of the Native Americans and your part of Social Darwinism. The Netherlands had a lot of colonies and influence in the world, but as I see it, the Brits conquered most of the land, and left the Netherlands in the shadow, and that's probably why you've never heard so much about the Netherlands in history. Also the part about WWII, it wasn't all Canadas effort that freed Europe from Axis
@cammicty oh and Cali IS the entire US? or better than Seattle? San Diego? And Eddie V has travelled the entire world and entire US. And he spoke of this in 2006, saying americans need to stop thinking they are all that. He and his band members have been here alot and said the oposite: that we're openminded. So i guess its all about opinion. I would advise you to start looking for the positive, since you chose to live here. Not sure what trauma makes you persist but were not as bad as you think.
@CCDevlin Ignorance is definitely Bliss, as they say! When have you had the opportunity to even hear me speak in the first place? We are simply chatting over the Internet and You Tube is our vehicle. I am sure Eddie Vedder's use of Dutch is simply Diplomatic, because he is in your country receiving your support as any other Musician. This is no different than Maurice White's learning Japan because he wanted to give back to Japan for so many years of Supporting EW&F's music. I am sure he's not ,
Also St. Nicolaas was a turkeys priest who didnt own everything so the actual Sinterklaas couldnt have any slaves. If you have some kind of information that i dont know about and what could change my whole opinion on this subject please forward it in a private message or give me a link or something and i will study it
Actually, when I was in Portugal the Portugese on the tele on a football program in 2002 specifically mentioned that NL not being in Japan and Korea was a big big downside. I am Portugese livning in NL and the Dutch, who always lose from us, are much respected as a great soccer nation. I do not like nationalism a whole lot btw. But this is true. And they have made it to three WC finals. They did not win, but only black and white thinkers discards such a thing as worthless....
@CCDevlin You did say we were timid, maybe you didn't mean to say that but you did! I never said you were noisy, you could do with some raising your voice a bit! lol I said you have your opinion about how everyone should do everything in your country! Fine have your opinion, that's your choice, but leave it at the door, when folks decide to do their own thing!
English isn't really a common language, its just that we see it as a duty to the rest of the world to learn that language. Just as we learn german and French, while the french don't learn german, and the greman don't don't learn french.
@CCDevlin lol if you don't understand what I mean, then read some of the many comments and posts from foreigners who come from out of Holland and live here now. Why was Van Gogh so screwed up? His strict religious Reformed/Calvinists background. The way of thinking from this religious group of people has not changed even today, and many of Hollands rules are formed by folks with this background. I've done the research, had to to understand your Culture, just to live here and not go insane, lol.
..., officially being a region (to say the least) unlike holland and being way bigger, wealthier and more advanced. Belgium already had known its golden multiple ages long before hol, inspired & helped by Belgium, had its only one. After Belgium's independence + holland stealing land from Belgium, the only name holland could adopt was the netherlands. The bourgondian part fell away + Belgian home land for a small 2000 years, was stolen, so the netherlands (180 yo) couldn't call itself holland.
@cammicty You commented on today's culture? Ehm read back your comment. You said Dutch borrowed their culture in the 1600's. Thats why I went from the 1600's to the future to the DOI and told you it was borrowed. What is off topic about that? Also, I don't think Dutch culture has stayed the same as in the 1600's. The red line across it (being tolerance) has remaind. But alot of things have dissappeared. And to name a few original dutch inventions which the world uses today: stock market, cont.
And I didn't say it was harder to win European championship, I SAID IT WAS HARDER TO GET FURTHER INTO THE TOURNAMENT, and it is, you know why? Because in the European championship chances are higher your opponent is stronger. Because besides a couple of countries most countries outside of Europe suck at soccer compared to European countries.
and groningen is a really nice and beautiful city with a lot of students and young people.
Born and raised love The Netherlands
nice video! wish there was more..
just a question where are you from?
Fantastic to see how other people experience The Netherlands.
I'm trying to learn to speak Dutch, moving to Belgium soon. Can someone recommend to me Dutch music or musicians who sing in Dutch?
Your living in a dream world, neo.
ik vindt leuk om dat te horen van deze mensen.
Here in the Netherlands we don't describe it as cold and mean, but more as honesty. When we don't like something we don't want to lie, out of hospitality.
good....
indonesia here
No wonder Netherlands usually ends up in the top 5 (or on top) of the indexes (like happiness report etc.)
sorry i have to do it this way but i am doing a small research on what tourists love about the netherlands and what they dont. So can you please give me top 3 of good and a top 3 of bad things it would really help me out. Groeten uut Twente
I am dutch and yes dis is ho we are
I find it so funny with the Indonesian and Mexican guy going "It's so cold!".
I'm from Sweden but living in the Netherlands, for me it's "So warm!".
Love it here though :)
It is, its a structure that we made city's evolved as traders and rulers of the sea.
Ok, thank you.
I respect that, and i apologize for some ignorant Dutch people commenting on video´s about Canada.
And with Dj´s i actually mean music producers, (trance, house, hardstyle etc)
We dutch peaple can feel the rain coming
he is right about the wheater its so hot now but yesterday it was raining realy hard
Haha, yea my Oma (grandmother) came to our house and she asked for mayonase for her fries :P it was funny but we tried it and it's actually pretty good!
warom schijfen julie het info in het engels?
The day after queens day, national hangover day. :P
Fun fact: rug means back (like the back of your body, where you put a backpack)
I think Holland/the Netherlands is a beautiful place with beautiful people and infrastructure for biking that the world over can really take a lesson from! They are down to earth non materialistic people that I would love it if any of my 4 sons were to marry into! And that's coming from a Canadian! The world will only become a better place when we look at each others differences as compliments and not antagonistically. Really people make the world a better place! It starts with each of us!
yep
Dutch culture is the most adorable and hularious culture on earth. Best soccer fans, Windmills, Wooden shoes, Cheese, and ect.
haha we do like to plan everything :))
The UK, US and especially Soviet union did almost all of the work and sacrificed the most saving Europe.
1600-1700 were different times, but you can still recognize the Dutch power from back then in our welfare these days, one of the best qualities of life, one of the most developed countries in the world, the best in the world at some sports, world famous brands, 16th largest economy in the world, 3rd happiest country in the world, extreme low crime rate (despite our drugs based laws).
regent het altijd? volgens mij is het nu 30 graden.
We don't have queens day anymore, now its kings day :)
Proud to be a Dutch man :D
@petterhny yes, the western culuture
@Cannibalzz blof is realy good understandible music.
NETHERLANDSSS ! my country ♥
@xhansxxx wrong, its an old name from the days that holland was a republik
you should try the band "Doe Maar"
Dutch Bob Marley? :D Thanks for the reference! I understood a few words in "Nederwiet" ;)
Sometimes I watch a program in The Netherlands which is called'' Ik vertrek''
were Dutch people imegrant to other countries.
This is were they make appointments with companies and the companies don't even show up for weeks or days.
So hating on the orginazation from the Dutch people is dumb, it keeps us Accurate and disciplined.
We're the best ice skating country in the world, one of the best field hockey countries in the world, we were the best/one of the best soccer countries in the past, and a couple of years ago one of the best. We won world championship baseball in 2011, but I'm not going to claim that one because that was just once, in the past we were one of the best cycling countries, we have the best female cycler that ever lived, best horse dressage rider ever.
That is simply the truth to some extend. Once you get into the semi's, the WC is more difficult. Untill the semi's the euro championship is more difficult I think.
It is a very nice country esp. in spring. Very liberal compared to USA. I was a scholar at Rotterdam in 1984 and lived with a Dutch widow. The people are taxed so much to maintain their flood control systems. They are really frugal people.
@rikgales123 1 Minute a big deal? I don't really think so, unless the one that is waiting is on a bad mood or has a tight schedule. But Dutch can also be a couple of minutes late.
Please watch that video, watch is from 2:28 if you don't want to watch all of it.
Jah, wij nederlanders hebben lekkere fietsbanden!
uhm, no , absolutly not true. were did you got your sources from?
I like the mexican guy ;-) u're welcome to Holland darling -)
And as I already said, some Dutch soccer players belong to the best soccer players ever lived. There were times that the the Netherlands had to best/ one of the best group of players in the world. On paper, they were the best. All players played excellent at their clubs.
Yes it is... All the major soccer countries are European countries, there are only two other major soccer countries which are Brazil and Argentina, it's even harder at the European championship to get further into the tournament. Because the chances are higher your opponent is strong.
wat heeft het 'creëren' van new york te maken met de nederlandse cultuur?
@cammicty Girl you are so lucky I just logged on before bedtime, so that I could educate you once again. My country has been mixed so many times its hard to keep track. We have brown hair, brown eyes, blond hair blue eyes and everything in the middle, for a reason. And we are a success. Other races have assimulated and consequently changed the total dutch genetics bit by bit. In America there is segregation to the max. The whites on the left, the asians in this corner (cont...)
Haha, volgens mij bedoelt die Mexicaan op het eind drop. :P
And all of that even though we're such a small country, we're probably relatively the most successful/best performing country in the world.
Even at sports, 13th on the Olympics. A little little country, 13th and the best in the world at several sports.
I understand that, I never said we explored anything. We just built cities all over the globe, and had the most powerful fleet in the world. One of those cities happened to be what New York is now. Either way, to say the dutch have had no impact on the world is insane.
As I said, they were the most powerful country in existence at one point.
@cammicty I did not say Americans are timide. They are the complete oposite. But you said we are too blunt and nosy. I said that this has brought achievements just like it has done for the US. Its better than being timide like some countries (not the US and not Holland).
@myppie Wij waren zeevaders, mensen die buiten hun borders gingen kijken mensen die niet bang waren voor het onbekende. We zijn het in zekere zin eigenlijk nog steeds, heel veel mensen van Nederland werken in het buitenland omdat we ons snel kunnen aanpassen. Dat is toch degelijk cultuur.
@MultiRumblefighter dat is eigenlijk geen woord :P
I was just commenting you on the facts.
they didn't rule the world but they were once the richest country during the 17th century and people consider that sometimes as ruling the world
i think u're jealous about the Netherlands :-) such a small country but so avant gard in everything and for ages we are like this :-) always a step further from the rest of the world... i 'am so proud of the Netherlands .-)
Starts video... "the Netherlands Or Holland.... - *quits video
@CCDevlin I was referring to other things about the Dutch Culture, why they don't smile, are so rigid, why they stare, narrow thinking, and sometimes the logic, OMG. I've been living here for 8 years, and I've traveled and lived in other parts of Europe, however, I've never met anyone who thinks and acts like the Dutch. I had to do research to help me to endure living here, etc,. They've borrowed from every other Culture in Society, from Asia, (how they became rich at one time) cont,
You're right, ned consists out of Belgians, Hollanders and Frisian, of which the Belgians are the oldest. Hollanders only came into the picture a couple of 100 years ago. In same way, "the Netherl" are existentially dependent of Belgium, since HOL annexated & suppressed Belgium (from the Rhine southwards, incl Bourgogne + other now-France regions), so this "republic" was called by people Bourgondian Netherlands, but officially was called Leo Belgicus, since Belgium was the real deal....cont...
almost 1/3rd of the people living here in Holland came from different country's or has parents that came from a different country (thus having THEIR habits). so YES we are multicultural!
@CCDevlin Actually since you opened up this topic, this is not what I was talking about when I said ''Borrowed Culture'' ! Not all of the references you listed above, originated in Holland! It would take an Essay to complete all of things that are disappointing about Holland! Holland I'm sure, is all you know, other than what you've read in books about the US, taking a brief trip does not count! I've actually delved deep into the Dutch Culture to find out what makes them tick cont'
thats got to be check your channel
Yeah.. there was no city. That was my point. Where do the AI factor into this equation?
Like the rest of the world I'm using the term holland as in contemporary holland.
8 months=8 years
@MultiRumblefighter :P
Not even in the top 50? So many people from other countries love our laws and would love to live here. By the way, The Netherlands is the number 3 country in the world with best human developments/ living conditions.
We discovered all kinds of trading routes and became rich as fuck.
And yeah, our military isn't big, but we don't need one. We have a strong economy and are on of the (relatively) richest countries in the world.
Oh surprise me. What IS the foundation then?
I'm stuck believing I'm the only leanback, tolerant Dutchman left! :(
Too many people believe immigrants came here for the economical benefits so there's a lot of resentment towards foreigners (tho not tourists, it's a world of difference, oddly we love tourists) though it's not much different from the whole 'New Nationalistic Phase' Europe (nationalistic/rightwing parties are popular) seems to be going through.
Well, I know that if I ever go to the Netherlands, I won't mention the fact that I'm a big fan of the German football team. I might get beat up. ^_^;
@CCDevlin I've the greatest outlook on life, unlike the average Dutchie! I'm a world traveler, and I see the world & people as they are, I speak truth & facts. Nothing comes from my mouth unless it has been calculated. I've done the research, walked the walk, lived the life, etc. I don't make empty statements! Do you know about ''my'' life? I 'm sure you could never handle a women like me with the greatest ambitions, I'm not a Dutch woman! Most Dutch don't get me, Typical they're Dutch! lol
@CCDevlin cont, took from Africa, lol there is so much, and this was many European Cultures actually, who stole to add to their Culture, however, when I was referring to what I do not care for about the Dutch Culture there are so many things. If one is just visiting, they can deal, but when you live here, it's overwhelming. The Dutch are so quick to tell you what you should do and how you should do it, but when I give it back to them they can't take it. I could go on, but it's a waste. cont,
Okey, to put a sentence to it all, back in the days of colonies, Europe was the known world. In European perspective, Christofer Colombus discovered America, even though Native Americans where there long before the Europeans. Also the Dutch is after the UK known as the last colonial Empires, and has a big impact on history as our dutch friend says. Take South Africa, a great example.
Continues..
lol @ 0:35. that dude.. we use more often bikes than other countries. but we dont replace bikes for cars. we have a lot of cars out here. just saying. cuz this comment of that Indonesia student is not so clearly.
hmmke ^^
Halo iedereen
No, there was no city there. We founded it and named it New Amsterdam, we didn't just conquer something that already existed. During that Era we owned colonies all over the world and had the very largest fleet on the entire planet.
@CCDevlin This was far from my point, which still holds true. However, thanks for a repeat of the knowledge I already have, as I well know, regarding the DOP, who signed what, copied what and where, and what it was formed after, etc,. Regarding " American Culture" what was it then and what is it now; as it's greatly changed over the last 300 years. "Our founding fathers'' as they say.) The Dutch, Irish, French, Brits, etc, had a part in stealing and forming what's called the USA, cont,
@CCDevlin cont, the pressure to perform in the US is the best, you have no pressure to perform here, you do what your Goverenment dictates, what's learned through the constant brainwashing in your schools, about your ways, as if they are the best ways in the world to do a certain thing, etc, '' what Netherlanders do, etc'' who cares! I had to go to the school to tell the teacher to keep her views to the education of my child, and do not instill the doctrines of the Dutch thinking in his head!
Continuation: If i understand right, you're Canadian, and Empire also, like it or not, had an impact, just think of the Native Americans and your part of Social Darwinism. The Netherlands had a lot of colonies and influence in the world, but as I see it, the Brits conquered most of the land, and left the Netherlands in the shadow, and that's probably why you've never heard so much about the Netherlands in history. Also the part about WWII, it wasn't all Canadas effort that freed Europe from Axis
@cammicty oh and Cali IS the entire US? or better than Seattle? San Diego? And Eddie V has travelled the entire world and entire US. And he spoke of this in 2006, saying americans need to stop thinking they are all that. He and his band members have been here alot and said the oposite: that we're openminded. So i guess its all about opinion. I would advise you to start looking for the positive, since you chose to live here. Not sure what trauma makes you persist but were not as bad as you think.
@CCDevlin Ignorance is definitely Bliss, as they say! When have you had the opportunity to even hear me speak in the first place? We are simply chatting over the Internet and You Tube is our vehicle. I am sure Eddie Vedder's use of Dutch is simply Diplomatic, because he is in your country receiving your support as any other Musician. This is no different than Maurice White's learning Japan because he wanted to give back to Japan for so many years of Supporting EW&F's music. I am sure he's not ,
No, that's attended to you ;)
And if you think i'm immature, why do you keep on arguing with me?
Also St. Nicolaas was a turkeys priest who didnt own everything so the actual Sinterklaas couldnt have any slaves. If you have some kind of information that i dont know about and what could change my whole opinion on this subject please forward it in a private message or give me a link or something and i will study it
MrHilbillie is right
Actually, when I was in Portugal the Portugese on the tele on a football program in 2002 specifically mentioned that NL not being in Japan and Korea was a big big downside. I am Portugese livning in NL and the Dutch, who always lose from us, are much respected as a great soccer nation. I do not like nationalism a whole lot btw. But this is true. And they have made it to three WC finals. They did not win, but only black and white thinkers discards such a thing as worthless....
haha im dutch X'DDD
@CCDevlin You did say we were timid, maybe you didn't mean to say that but you did! I never said you were noisy, you could do with some raising your voice a bit! lol I said you have your opinion about how everyone should do everything in your country! Fine have your opinion, that's your choice, but leave it at the door, when folks decide to do their own thing!
@rayreturnz Jealous?
Perhaps you're taking the "ruled the world"-part a bit too literally.
ah it aint that bad as it was like 50 years ago but still they have beaten us at Euro 2012
English isn't really a common language, its just that we see it as a duty to the rest of the world to learn that language. Just as we learn german and French, while the french don't learn german, and the greman don't don't learn french.
@CCDevlin lol if you don't understand what I mean, then read some of the many comments and posts from foreigners who come from out of Holland and live here now. Why was Van Gogh so screwed up? His strict religious Reformed/Calvinists background. The way of thinking from this religious group of people has not changed even today, and many of Hollands rules are formed by folks with this background. I've done the research, had to to understand your Culture, just to live here and not go insane, lol.
lol. you are a very simple person.
..., officially being a region (to say the least) unlike holland and being way bigger, wealthier and more advanced. Belgium already had known its golden multiple ages long before hol, inspired & helped by Belgium, had its only one. After Belgium's independence + holland stealing land from Belgium, the only name holland could adopt was the netherlands. The bourgondian part fell away + Belgian home land for a small 2000 years, was stolen, so the netherlands (180 yo) couldn't call itself holland.
@cammicty You commented on today's culture? Ehm read back your comment. You said Dutch borrowed their culture in the 1600's. Thats why I went from the 1600's to the future to the DOI and told you it was borrowed. What is off topic about that? Also, I don't think Dutch culture has stayed the same as in the 1600's. The red line across it (being tolerance) has remaind. But alot of things have dissappeared. And to name a few original dutch inventions which the world uses today: stock market, cont.
So now you're just gonna say that? You just lost the arguement against me ;)
We? You mean Canadian military at that time****
I miss typed
And I didn't say it was harder to win European championship, I SAID IT WAS HARDER TO GET FURTHER INTO THE TOURNAMENT, and it is, you know why? Because in the European championship chances are higher your opponent is stronger. Because besides a couple of countries most countries outside of Europe suck at soccer compared to European countries.