How to Fix Brexit (Without Rejoining the EU)
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Brexit isn't going quite to plan and the oven-ready Brexit deal may have not been properly baked, with polls suggesting that most Brits view it as a mistake and would rejoin the EU if given the chance. In this video, we take a look at potential solutions to Brexit and whether any of these solutions could help.
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00:00 - Introduction
01:57 - Could the UK Rejoin?
02:34 - What About Norway Plus?
04:14 - So, What Else Can We Do?
07:13 - Sponsored Content
Step 1. Vote in a competent government.
Great idea ! Anyone in mind ?
#1 Brexit issue was immigration and that is because the govt. allowed it with or without the EU.
Competent government seems like a scarce resource throughout the world.
That would imply competent voters.
@@willieckaslikeKeir Starmer's Labour
After UK left EU , Brits have realised that they can no longer blame EU for the state their country find herself in and that it was UK INCOMPETENT Politicians unable to solve UK problems all along
Most of us knew that already. Didn't do us any good.
@@katywalker8322Most? Unfortunately, that doesn't quite stack up mathematically.
@@howardrisby9621 , the party that dragged us out of the eu was only voted for by a minority.
I fully supported Brexit then as I do now.
What Brexit has done is show our politicians and civil service are total incompetents.
The UK needs to focus on fixing itself. We were broken long before Brexit.
Very true.
YES BUT TORIES JUST GOT THE JIGSAW THREW IT IN THE AIR, FOUND IT TO HARD TO PUT BACK AND NOW WALKED AWSY
@@petermizon4344 Tories are a temporary problem. European rule is much more difficult to uproot. And let's face it Labour isn't exactly competent either. With FPTP elections it's essentially a choice which colour of shit you want to be governed by.
For 20 years or more up until 2016, the only region that mattered was London and the affluent south and east, whilst the only people whose opinions mattered were the 15% intelligentsia which was composed of the predominantly Russelk League university educated upper-middle-class.
They ignored the coefficient working-class people in provincial areas, many of which had seen virtually zero GDP growth since the early 1990s.
University cities like Manchester saw investment for obvious reasons. Scotland received European Social Funds which have vastly improved infrastructure and services.
What did Mansfield or Rotherham get? More neglect, communities torn asunder by mass immigration, minimum wage jobs that only benefitted Polish, Romanian and Latvian people who could access these by FOM policies.
We may have received a footpath partially funded by the EU.
So look at the Brexit voting map of UK again and see where people had a negative experience of the European Union.
But, of course it really doesn't matter what these people think. We've been ignored and slandered by the intelligentsia dominated biased media for two decades or more.
Quite simply, we don't fit their plans abd we've really upset the applecart over voting Brexit.
It all starts next election, hopefully that won't be too late.
The UK is a ruletaker anyway. We just have 'delayed indefinitely' the compulsory introduction of UKCA standards to replace CE. Resisting CE is like resisting Microsoft operation system. You have to work with it because everybody else uses it, like it or not.The best you can hope for is to have some influence over it, but that boat has sailed with leaving the EU.
They used once to rule the Sea. Rule Britannia 🇬🇧🟥👑
Latest trade figures to the end of June
Exports to the non-EU : £496.1bn ( +26.8% on previous 12 months)
Exports to the EU27 : £349.4bn ( +21.1% on previous 12 months)
UK exports to the EU have now fallen to 41.3% of the total
UK exports to the rest of the world are rising much faster
The People in the UK that Voted "Remain" were deceived they did not know "where the UK, would end up" that is it would end up in a Federal EU with complete loss of Sovereignty
I am reading this on an iMac.
@@jamesparson There are 3 regulatory spheres in the world: EU, China, US. Similar for operating systems. None of them is British.
A shame for all the young Brits who'll suffer, while the country "figues out, what they really want" for the next decades.
Brexit Referendum and the European Union
Due to trade agreements and supply chains leaving the European Union would not be possible.
The Brexit Referendum had been like a football cup final.
Two sides opposing each other and the supporters of both sides enjoyed the build up to the Brexit Referendum by throwing insults at each other and praising their own side.
The excitement of the Breexit Referendum day on a parallel with a Cup Final match.
Celebrate that night when the result is announced and throw insults at the other side that lost.
The following day nobody really cares.
From personally experience I thoroughly enjoyed supporting the Brexit side and throwing insults at the Remainers.
Another Brexit Referendum?
Fantastic like a Cup Final the following year with the same teams in the final.
More insults thrown at the opposing side and the excitement of Referendum day and when the results are announced again.
Once more the following day nobody really cares.
Thus Brexit Referendum mentality and purpose explained above..
However there were many valid points raised during the Brexit Referendum campaign.
Left Wing Lawyers in London blocking deportations of convicted violent criminals and making millions per year.
Deportation of convicted violent criminals has transformed into a travelling circus with protesters super gluing themselves to airplanes to stop them taking off with those scheduled for deportation inside the planes.
Non-selective immigration and astronomical levels of violent crime escalating daily within Britain.
Britain is called Treasure Island by criminal gangs as it is so easy to commit crime and effectively zero probability of ever being caught.
Even if you are caught committing violent crime you will never be deported as Left Wing Lawyers in London make millions blocking the deportations.
Many many other valid points were raised during the Brexit Referendum campaign.
British and European politicians require a level zero course in politics.
Painfully obvious British and European politicians lack even an elementary grasp of political science.
Go Woke Go Broke!
Then the youth should have voted, but they preferred to sit in the Pub😪
It's proven by statistics that young Brits want to go to Australia, Canada, New Zealand. Older Brits used to retire in Spain and spend their UK pounds creating employment for the locals. There are other non EU countries to retire and holiday to. I visit EU holiday resorts 2/3 times each year - the Brits are now talking about Turkey and other non EU locations to spend UK pounds, because the EU is acting like a bunny boiler.
Easy. Britain wants a sovereign tea without paying for it. Britain wants everything without paying for anything.
@@gerardsmit626 The youth of today may not even have been of voting age in 2016.
We are already a rule taker for EVERY market that we want a deal with as we have NO power and nothing to offer, note Japan, Australia/New Zealand deals and joining the CPTPP, were we didn't even get a chance to say anything, they are just a joke
Look, FOOL, we are now free to broker ANY deals we want to with whomsoever we might desire to..........something the restrictive EU would NEVER let us do while we were a prisoner there. EU are the ultimate control freaks, do this, do that, don't do this, don't do that. We now do AS WE PLEASE. No other EU country has that particular luxury.
Too good for ya.
Latest trade figures to the end of June
Exports to the non-EU : £496.1bn ( +26.8% on previous 12 months)
Exports to the EU27 : £349.4bn ( +21.1% on previous 12 months)
UK exports to the EU have now fallen to 41.3% of the total
UK exports to the rest of the world are rising much faster
@@garyb455So? Trade figures are not evidence of rules taking or giving, they are data
@@garyb455 Yeh, sure.
You're fine.
Bwahwahwhhahwhahwh!
All the application forms are in Irish now, sorry
Go raibh maith agat a chara ☘️
Is breá liom é hahaha 😂
As a European citizen I would be very opposed to new agreements between the UK and the European Union. The Union is not an organization that non-member states should be able to use when it suits and despise when it is no longer convenient, objectively it is the British who need the European market more than the remaining Europeans of the British market; EU citizens can easily choose another destination to travel to Europe, it is the British who, if they want to spend little on planes, have to choose Europe anyway.
The day the British have buried their exceptionalism and want to rejoin the EU then, for me, they will be welcome; but until that day it is right that they stay completely out.
Where I live there is a proverb:
There won't be time to rejoin because the EU will be disbanded by then. Our political class (labour and con) are laughing at us. Time to vote differently.
@@deancoupland5923 You say that Europe melts, Brexit supporters said there would be a domino effect that didn't happen instead. You keep believing lies after lies.
Through YT comments I am learning a lot about attitudes of People. I find it baffling how differently the European Union is perceived within and without the UK. EU citizens mostly feel somewhat like a family where one cares for another and is interested in their wellbeing. They see the EU as a great achievement and are willing to give more than they receive for the greater good. One for all and all for one. In contrast in many comments from Brits I find a lot of hostility against the EU. It is often perceived as the enemy who is preventing the UK from arriving at a better place in the world. Quite a lot wish for the EU to fail and disintegrate. In case they are looking somewhat positively to the EU they only seem to be interested in the question "what's in for us, what can we gain for ourselves?" People with this kind of mind set are not ripe for joining the community of the EU.
@@minimal3734 EU citizens feel like family...lmao that's delusional. There's a growing number of people who hate the EU, and rightfully so. Country states are having enough of elitist EU bureaucrats who hate Europe dictate what they can and can't do.
@@minimal3734 I wonder how the Germans feel about bailing out the Greeks with their own money. I wonder how the Greeks feel about all the austerity the troika imposed on them. I wonder how the Hungarians and the poles feel about Brussels meddling in their affairs.
People in Britain seem to forget that ALL EU-member states has to vote to let Britain back into the EU again. So indeed, that won't happen anytime soon. Norway plus? Well Norway has said they won't agree with that without serious negotiations (read Britain won't get anything important).
I feel sorry for all small business, many specialty shops I used to buy from are either closed or not offering shipping to the EU, and people whose lives has been turned into a mess. But re-joining anything within the next decade? Well, best of luck with that.
Your English hatred asside, the UK will NOT be applying to join the EU anytime soon lol.
Does Norway get a vote? They are not really member of the EU, I thought they participated without that. Nonethless a costly in and out would probably not be in any EU members interest especially considering how the UK during it's membership was a nuisance to many. Also rejoining the EU would by no means be similar to the status britain once had. All those special favors they got would be completely off the table now.
@@ichbins173 Of course they dont get a vote, its just the remoaners talking shite again. Its usually the Irish.
@@ichbins173normally they don't get a vote, but since we are talking about an agreement that specifically was created for them and a few others. I would not be surprised if they do at that point.
Also we would rather have Norway than the UK. So even without a vote, Norway's voice would count.
The UK manouvered itself in a poor negotiation position willingly and blindly.
@@ichbins173 norway is part of the EEA and EFTA. There’s a mention of Britain becoming a member of that, but Norway has said all along that they’ll veto any british attempt to join it.
Leave the EU, rejoin the EU… the UK is like a cat asking to get the door open so he can leave and when he is out and you close the door then he is asking to get in again and again, and so on…. In and out, in and out, in and out as he pleases 🤣🇬🇧🐈⬛🤷🏽♂️
And just stares at you while you try let them in
No thanks once burnt,never again despite how desperate the Brussels CARTEL get to ensnare us again and control of our taxes,laws,military .Time will tell as history tells us
The deciding difference here is, most cats are cute even when doing that. The UK? Not so much
@@Ooze-cl5tx The UK is a mean old cat.
I know, right? This is the most frustrating thing about them. They don't know what they want and what they do say they want is insane. So, they want to renegotiate the TCA... what's in it for me (the EU)? They never really get to this part. As far as I'm concerned they can keep their money, since they claimed we were stealing from them, we don't want such accusations in the future. Their services and products? We'll get them elsewhere or make them on our own. So... why would we change the terms of the TCA? People who think I'm evil, shouldn't expect me to give them my money. Or this is part of the insanity of the UK's position: trade with us (give us your money), but don't come here (get out of the UK or, in my case, never come, because God forbid an Englishman hears me speaking my language).
Don’t see any reason for the EU to accept an EEA membership. The EU can still export to UK easily. I do it all the time. However, importing from the UK is a lot of hassle. So only beneficiary in this deal would be the UK. Don’t see the EU changing this advantageous position
The UK was in the EU for convenience. The problem was, the EU was never interested in a relationship of convenience. The EU is primarily a political project, intent on gradually replacing its members’ law, governance and institutions, with its own. In short, the EU required a far deeper level of commitment than the UK was prepared to offer.
The UK’s relationship with the EU had many perks. But are the perks really worth it in the long run, if you’re not prepared to offer the required level of commitment?
And in the case of the UK and the EU, the answer was simply “no”.
Much of the opposition to Brexit fails to understand this. People are upset about losing the perks and understandably so. But when it comes to the flip side of the perks - the commitment - they are often dismissive or blasé. One often finds Brexit opponents denying the true nature of the project: “It’s just a trade bloc”; “Its rules are basically just trade rules”; “It doesn’t constrain national sovereignty…” are things one often hears.
I’m usually quite dismissive of claims like that. It shows the speaker is aware about very little about the union they claim to want to be a member of. You don’t make a case for something by denying the reality of that ‘something’ you’re trying to make a case for. For me, they prove the very point they claim to be arguing against.
You want to be a member of a trade bloc that’s all peace, love, harmony and goodwill towards mankind, governed by simple, commonly agreed rules but with no overarching political ambition of its own? How very interesting. Go set one up then because a union such as the one you described, is not on offer. In the European context, it simply does not exist. You have just described, very eloquently indeed, why the UK should not be a member of the EU.
Extract from B. Lane.
@@English_Dawn Utter nonsense and the fact that the EU has gone on to become a much stronger group of individual countries proves that.
@@English_Dawn yeah it’s almost like there’s something called a veto where every member can just stop things they don’t like. What you guys hated was the fact that is was hard to reverse things. The Eu moves forward slowly but it doesn’t move backwards on integration, and yeah that’s the idea, it was the idea from the beginning, no one ever said otherwise. The entire reason it was created was that, because the whole we do things for us and fuck the rest mentally kinda destroyed europe two times over. At the end of the day you guys were offered a lot of special provisions, the only one the rest of the EU was not happy to offer was going back on the core point of what we agreed on. The idea that you guys were deceived somehow by the Eu is ridiculous, just say you didn’t know because you didn’t read any of the documentation, but the idea of the EU being a ever closer union is clear as day from the start. And It’s a good thing, there has been no part of our governments that we agreed to do on the EU side that didn’t end up being better, cheaper and generally more efficient. Trade, you can see yourself the trade deals agreed by the UK are at best roll-over deal or worse than the EU counterpart. Imigration , again it’s a lot easier to control your borders in conjunction with all the countries around you , you have to accept the countries around you, and that was the problem I guess. Regulations, having common regulations means you stop the downward spiral of deregulation, where countries compete to cut regulations to attract companies. Instead of doing that, we can actually decide what is safe , not have competition about who can live more dangerously. Also you stop contries artificially manipulating their economy for short term gains, so you have a more stable market. And because of the veto the system moves never faster than the hardest to convince member. You guys literally used thi powers to stop the EU from getting loans as a entity after 2008, destroying the southern Euro economies, you literally had the power to destroy the economic future of over 100 milion people because you were afraid you might in a hypothetical situation be liable for some insignificant debt, so you were far from powerless. So to fix your perceived problems you got saddled with actual debt and crashed your economy by putting trade restrictions on yourself to save yourself from cheap skilled labour that might god forbid have a bit of a accent.
It doesn’t matter how much stiff upper lip you apply to the situation, this is one of the dumbest moves in history. And I’m from eastern europe I’ve seen goverments do some dumb shit, never have I seen one do anything close to that unless it was a puppet government.
@@English_Dawn
What nonsense is this?
I don’t think I’ve ever heard a pro-EU membership supporter make those claims. In fact, it’s always Brexit supporters that claim we only joined a trading block.
It struck a very high minded intellectual tone, but what a fantastical conglomeration of straw-manning and projection that actually was. Gaslighting at its finest.
@@English_Dawn But you no join some stupid trade block in the pacific. You are just completely clueless. What are the perks of your current situation? Tell me!
I came to the conclusion that BREXIT is just the ultimate expression of British exceptionalism. You can't fix it without addressing the root causes such as the raging inequality, the hatred that Thatcher has sown and the 2 party system.
I've already thought something of that sorts before Brexit even became a topic: they kept trying to get preferable treatment in the EU like they're still the powerful British empire they once were
I really don't know what thatcher was meant to do. You have to blame unions too as they are also part to blame tbh
Thatcher pushed for greater collaboration, a fact lost on present day tories
Could I also add here that I've seen loads of comments here from Europe (our so-called "friends and partners") that express in very clear terms that the UK has now no chance of ever getting back into the EU, as the tide of opinion is now with the "no, never ever" school of thought. Which only confirms what I have said earlier. I really do not care if the UK decides to stay out and forge its own trajectory, at least it will be doing so under its own aegis, and not that of any other outside agency, I think that there is something very big being kept as a surprise for the UK, BUT that will remain a secret for now at least.
its a lot simpler than that. Britain in an Island and has an identity that is separate from the mainland.
I LOVE it when the UK discusses "fixing Brexit" with herself overlooking the "partner" on the other side, lol.
Joining the EU: Fine, just wait at the end of the queue and try not to diverge even further
more thus making it impossible to fulfill the Copenhagen Criteria.
Joining the EEA: Didn't Norway already say it would veto a UK membership as it would
imbalance the present stable partnership among small member countries?
Getting a "better" deal: Why on earth should the EU start the audacious process of dealing
with the entitled UK again. The TCA works just fine for us, thanks !
Groundhog day .... now also in this channel. 😂
And an UK that constantly wants to negotiate again and again and again ... when will there be an end and UK will be pleased???
I'm with Norway here. No mercy.
@@EllieD.Violet Sadly... I thought TLDR News wasnt sipping the Cool Aid but apparently I was wrong. Most likely Ben is now also tired of the benefits of his blue passport ?
Getting a better deal is ingrained in the UK from Brexit back to ... Thatcher, I would bet my money on that approach
I sort of like their kicking the can down the road approach. I really want to see how long the UK can get away with suspending certain checks, indefinite extensions and ignoring the DUP.
There’s nothing that’s improved since leaving the EU. Literally nothing, I want to be able to go anywhere in the EU and live there like a citizen. We were in an excellent position, but as usual British pride, misinformation and stubbornness kills anything good we have. The majority of voters had such a narrow, complacent view of the future and significance of the vote. And now look where it’s taken us? The country gets worse every single day
I blame Brexit voters.
We should ensure only they bear the burden of brexit
Another Remoaner with a god-complex. Sad!
95% of UK voters had no wish to live/work in EU countries - so why should they vote for your daydreams?
@@NeilCWCampbell So, you blame Brexit voters for Brexit - what do you blame for democracy?
@@Iazzaboyce democracy is a system, not the perfect system. Democracy should take into account common sense like a vote for people who are informed of the FACTS not PR and propagandistic rhetoric
What’s more dangerous to the integrity of society is when that society is led by a self-serving government and a poorly informed majority whose opinions are easily swayed by mass legacy media and social opinion. My problem isn’t with democracy itself as a concept it’s with its execution into the British political system whereby campaigners can literally make false promises and lies to get their agenda fulfilled. If a single promise is unfulfilled it should immediately void their campaign entirely and allow an immediate gateway for the public to have a second referendum to ask if they wish to back step. But it doesn’t, the system isn’t set up to enable this facility: therefore, that’s my problem
The uk government keeps acting as if it still has an empire
They can't accept the reality that their empire days has long gone. Even India, its former jewel colony now are inching closer and closer to overtake UK, one way or another.
It was a huge oversight not to mention that rejoining would be without the benefit of the rebate we had before.
It would be still better than the mess you are in now
It's also a huge oversight not to mention that 'rejoining' is not an option and that applying for membership again will be a long an arduous road for the UK that will take decades.
@@maartenaalsmeer yep, just look at the Balkan states.
@@maartenaalsmeer Of course rejoining is an option. Admittedly it may not happen if the EU decline the application. Regardless, the point stands that if we did become a member again we wouldn't benefit from the rebate.
@@edcoppen It *will* not happen because 27 EU nations (and a few autonomous regions) will have to vote the UK back in unanimously. *One veto* and the application is denied. And there will always be at least one veto, because there's quite a few EU countries that still have a bone (or two) to pick with the UK. Spain and Gibraltar comes to mind.
But *theoretically*, if the UK was to be allowed back in, there would indeed be no opt-outs or rebates. The EU won't make that mistake again.
As things stand, rejoining will not be possible for several years, by which time the situation will have changed in ways we cannot anticipate.
I blame Brexit voters
@@Buckets1000no progress on Indy Scotland currently. We're going backwards in fact.
It's funny that the UK seems to think it's an equal partner in dealing with the EU. UK: 4 countries, 67 million inhabitants. EU: 27 countries, 448 million inhabitants. Big difference in leverage.
That's been the problem all along, and is a misconception that was heavily pushed in propaganda from those who pushed for Brexit in the first place.
How many people were of the (false) opinion that "The EU needs us more than we need them."?
All you get is shitty trade deals because on your own.
Indeed the EU does have more overall power and population, but don't act like all the countries in the EU or total population do, or are anything more than, subsidised.
That's mainly because Brits still have the imperial mindset, but they just look delusional especially elderly
@@NTL578
Ummm...
That's entirely the point of being a member of something like the EU - it means that countries have far more bargaining power than they do when they try to stand alone.
Stop treating the EU like the enemy and start treating them like an amicably divorced ex you're arranging shared custody of the kid with as painlessly as possible. Which means, close economic, business and co-operative relations, and no different laws for the sake of difference. Where possible, keep things aligned.
Amicable divorce? That's a good one. The whole reason for leaving is to do things differently.
Why pretend an enemy is anything else?
Here here. We share a lot of common interests and we don't have to hate each other
@@ietomos7634 No, the whole reason for leaving was for a small number of rich people to get richer. Whatever guliblevoters thought it was about never really mattered
@@riverraven7359er, NATO or is you Russian?
"The public are being polled on whether they'd prefer EEA or EU membership". 😂
The UK isn't being offered anything.
You have to laugh at comments like this as if people like you are actually the decision makers on these issues. The reality is if the UK wanted seriously to pursue one of these options it would be able to. Money talks.
Presumably the poll is to determine what they should beg for when the UK goes crawling on its knees.
@@NTL578You may think what you want, but we aren't offering you neither membership nor anything else. So it's kinda moot to chose between non-existent options. And before YOU get any options, voters on our side need to be sold on offering you any.
It's still a good metric to see if they regretted their decision
@@hanslagewaard5083 Of course. I have no doubt about that. We wouldn't be able to say we want this etc. We lost our leverage unquestionably. It would take a great deal of remorse and proving real commitment to whatever method that we tried to agree. We would never get the deal we had before.
I just think it's funny that some people here are almost militant, as if they are themselves in charge. If the UK decided it wanted to pursue one of these options and could prove all of these things it could probably get one within a few years.
Unbrexit. Adam Smith was born in Scotland, and yet the English are so blind to his fundamental economic works. You cannot leave a bigger market and not expect the economy to shrink and quality of life to drop. Why these simple things are not taught in schools is beyond me.
Rejoining the EU now would turn Britain into a satellite state of the EU instead of the founding status she enjoyed thus far.
Would you rather stand on your own or be vassals?
The Eu is not one big market but a conglomerate of many markets some large such as Germany and some small like Romania. The UK is a large market for some of the main EU countries and the attempt to minimise that fact shows remained bias or distortion of facts.
Except the rest is committed to one unified European market. Britain would have very little economic power in that arrangement, especially considering that the EU is primarily a political project@@mushogi
@HyperScorpio8688 Yeah but as vassal you can stand. On your own you will be standing on your knees only. Look at allother deals UK had - they are the takers of other countries rules as they do not posses eough power to be the makers anymore.
@@HyperScorpio8688just a political project? Hahaha how insane are you people 🤣
Your economy is failing and you want to rejoin for economical reasons, duh
EEA membership, you didn't understand the concept: EFTA without Switzerland and the EU form the EEA,
they either have to be EU members or belong to EFTA, and the Norwegians in particular will not want that.
How to sort Brexit - sack every politician in Westminster government - employ people for each position that actually have experience in the relevant area- ala Iceland ...
Also make lying to parliament illegal , give them right to silence - but not to lie-
All three options seems to suffer from the same delusion, that dominated UK in the lead-up to Brexit - the idea that the UK has something the EU wants, and that the UK "holds all the cards".
I don't think the EU is over all thrilled with having border friction in Calais. If the UK agreed to become a true rules taker (follow EU regulations without any representation) there would really be no downside. UK is still a market and the EU is way too pragmatic to just refuse money/influence out of spite.
Sadly, ALL the cards held by Britain, turned out to be jokers !
They literally say in the video?
@@MonEyRuLess
We 🇪🇺 are perfectly happy with a border at Calais - as the shutdown in December 2020 proved, it's a nice lever to pull when little brexitannia gets cheeky.
1) the UK fails to meet 50% of the accession criteria as of 2023.
2) it's the 27 national parliaments that decide - not 'the EU'.
3) Those members that profit from Brexit would veto - out of self-interest.
Greetings from the EU 🇪🇺
The UK was in the EU for convenience. The problem was, the EU was never interested in a relationship of convenience. The EU is primarily a political project, intent on gradually replacing its members’ law, governance and institutions, with its own. In short, the EU required a far deeper level of commitment than the UK was prepared to offer.
The UK’s relationship with the EU had many perks. But are the perks really worth it in the long run, if you’re not prepared to offer the required level of commitment?
And in the case of the UK and the EU, the answer was simply “no”.
Much of the opposition to Brexit fails to understand this. People are upset about losing the perks and understandably so. But when it comes to the flip side of the perks - the commitment - they are often dismissive or blasé. One often finds Brexit opponents denying the true nature of the project: “It’s just a trade bloc”; “Its rules are basically just trade rules”; “It doesn’t constrain national sovereignty…” are things one often hears.
I’m usually quite dismissive of claims like that. It shows the speaker is aware about very little about the union they claim to want to be a member of. You don’t make a case for something by denying the reality of that ‘something’ you’re trying to make a case for. For me, they prove the very point they claim to be arguing against.
You want to be a member of a trade bloc that’s all peace, love, harmony and goodwill towards mankind, governed by simple, commonly agreed rules but with no overarching political ambition of its own? How very interesting. Go set one up then because a union such as the one you described, is not on offer. In the European context, it simply does not exist. You have just described, very eloquently indeed, why the UK should not be a member of the EU.
Extract from B. Lane.
How, many cards do the Republic of Ireland, Finland, Greece etc hold?
This video is the manifestation of british exceptionalism. There is no mechanism that would allow the UK to join the only the single market and/or the EEA. It would require either membership in EFTA (which Norway wouldn't agree to) or the EU (where there are 27 countries that could veto for one or the other reason). Even if repeated ad nauseam by british youtubers it will not happen. There is also no appetite in the EU to negotiate another Swiss model (i.e. bilateral agreements). The UK has has two options, maybe three: 1. apply for full membership to the EU with all prerequisites (Euro, Schengen, the four freedoms, no cherry picking) and queue up behind the other applicants, or 2. Keep everything as it is right now with minor changes. A third option would be to cancel the TCA (i.e. Hard Brexit), making things even worse for the UK, but I would like to believe that the british population will not be supporting such incredibly stupid move, particularly with the experiences that were already had with a softer Brexit.
RUclips video is a manifestation of "British expcetionalism"? I think your comment is a manifestation of your stupidity. RUclips channels are for views, clicks and engagement, which you have happily provided.
You're spot on except for the 'queue up behind the other applicants'. There's no 'first come first serve' rule here. After all, the tempo of accessing countries is not limited by the EU's abilities to absorb them, but by said countries' abilities to adopt EU law. The UK, given political will, could joing extremely fast, since it's a developed country not being ravaged by corruption and with great law compatibility(thanks to having been a member previously...). Last time something like this happened was 1995 when Austria and Finland joined.
@@predek97 you are wrong. the "tempo of accession" is limited by the maastricht criteria - e.g. less than 60% gross debt to gdp ratio (uk currently over 100%), less than 3% budget deficit (uk currently 5.5%), low inflation etcetc. the uk does not fullfill most of the criteria required to join the eu, nor will it fullfill them anytime soon.
secondly, im pretty certain, that one condition for rejoining would be to instantly adopt the euro. the conditions to join the euro are even stricter.
i doubt the uk will be able to fullfill any of the fiscal requirements to rejoin in the next decades.
How is this British exceptionalism? The conclusion of the video is that rejoining the EU is a distant prospect, and that in the present we can focus on rebuilding regulatory alignment and being a more helpful partner.
@@predek97 Well, given all the hostility that emanated from the UK towards the EU and its member countries during the leave process I would not think that there is much incentive for the EU to give the UK any preferential treatment. I also would dispute that the UK is not ravaged by corruption and has great law compatibility. The political class in the UK is very corrupt and the democratic processes are lacking (e.g. FPTP election scheme), and it has been shown that the UK does not give any f**k about the treaties that it has signed. Unless there are signifcant changes in the way things are handled in the UK I for one would like that the government of my country vetoes any accession attempt by the UK.
Greetings from Norway, a member of EFTA, subject to the jurisdiction of the EFTA Court which holds joint jurisprudence over EU law pertaining to participation within the Single Market, and therefore eligible to avail of the EEA treaty between these two blocs - an arrangement that at the last count satisfied 89% of the population.
Now, explain to me how the UK - a third country subject to neither bloc's court in which the entire population it seems is completely ignorant about international law - can negotiate a "Norway Plus Agreement"? Who is it going to negotiate this with? The EU? EFTA? Norway?
It wouldn't surprise me at this stage if the UK government announced it intended to open negotiations with "The EEA"! '
Ignorance got you into the mess you're in. It certainly won't get you out of it again. As this channel unfortunately proves.
This whole discussion is ridiculous. The UK has just joined the second largest trading bloc in the world, they will not be rejoining the EU anytime soon.
@@davidgreen6490 As I said, ignorance (and delusion) will not get you out the mess you're in. Thanks for so eloquently illustrating my point.
@@davidgreen6490 What matters is not how large the bloc is, but how much trade you have with it.
Did the English shit in your coffee or something? Being so hostile about a country you probably don't think even 1% about is odd.
I visited Norway recently, what a breathtakingly beautiful country. Thanks for advice but can’t the U.K. negotiate an extra special agreement. This is the U.K. we’re talking about. 😅
As someone from Newcastle it’s safe to say the north east overwhelmingly voting for leave shot themselves in the foot as EU funding placed more money in the north than the countries own government. Stagnation with the tories has damaged the north even more.
Step One: Invent a time machine.
Fix it? How about we implement it?
Whats worse: A good idea thats poorly implemented or a bad idea thats well implemented? Be careful of what you wish for - there is always the risk of you getting it.
If you unhappy with the brexit you got then that on brexit voters.
The adults don't care about your feelings child
Given that you've left the regulatory hegemon of the world, you've become a rule-taker by default.
This, I just love how the Brits are going on about rules and making/taking them , when they left the only mechanism that would have allowed them to influence it at all
Given how the rest of world is now actively ignoring the EU's efforts on AI regulation, that Hegemony is coming to a well deserved end
Hegemon? Lol nope. The USA is _the_ global hegemon, and China is the closest contender (though it looks like they're tripping up). The US has a far larger single economy, higher labour productivity and a far more business and investment friendly regulatory regime that makes it easy to build out your business. The EU seems hell-bent on regulating finance and tech to the point of crippling its member states own competitiveness (MIFID II in particular has been a royal pain in the arse for everyone with the misfortune of having to deal with it). And that's before we even get to military matters...
@@ricequackers and yet, it's the EU that made all tech companies use the same charging cables among many other things. A regulatory hegemon that exercises power the USA can't even wield internally.
@@ricequackers Try to import any home appliance, cell phone, car or lorry from US to EU.
Vice versa it works well, EU market products can be easyly exported to US.
Now in EU all mobile phones must have exchangable battery, USB C for charging and wire communication and so on, do you think that Apple would not comply on this only for EU market?
It alredy has, and China is making this as domestic standard of their own.
China builds Siemens, ABB and Alstom trains, assembles Airbus planes and is a biggest buyer, 90% of lorries are build with cooperation from EU companies, electrical standards are EU compliant, complete industry is built on tehnology from EU. And now you say that US is hegemon, while China adopts almost every EU standard faster than EU and hits everyone over the head with it.
US has larger single economy, but can not export chlorinated chicken, hormone and antibiotics filled beef, crappy cars and shitty lorries to EU, maybe in time they will be able to poison UK citizens, but not us.
US is global hegemon for the poor and blind ones.
As a third nation we're a rule taker now or we don't get to trade with Europe
Exactly. Compulsory UKCA mark has just been 'postponed indefinitely'. Aka 'dead in the water'.
Wrong we’re an independent country and can make our own laws. We have a comprehensive trade deal with the EU and the EU have to abide by our laws when they export to us and vice versa. Mutually beneficial.
@@chrisj9700except the EU doesn't care much to get bossed around by one country that refused to work together regularly while still in the EU while the UK loses access to one big trading bloc if they don't cooperate
@@chrisj9700 "and then they all clapped"
@@tomlxyz hahahaha you’re conveniently ignoring Poland and Hungary and how they regularly defy EU rules
I am a bit surprised that there is a sizeable minority of Brits who see the EU as an enemy. Even if you don't like someone or how they do things (which doesn't seem right either with the number of British people who summer in Spain or were ex-pats in Spain) you don't have to hate.
Don't forget the EU is also screwed. Southern Europe (Italy, etc) desperately need to devalue the Euro right now to save their economies, but northern Europe has to keep it elevated as inflation is a higher concern. We're witnessing the breakdown of either: 1) Europe's single currency; or 2) sovereign monetary policy.
Most likely is a further (complete?) loss of sovereignty for the southern nations as the EUssr is a globalist project under German rule (the 4th Reich)
Sure they can pause or cut interest rates, but € will tank and EZ has a high €/$ inflation sensitivity (due to Weimar hyperinflation 100 yrs ago). Spot inflation will rip in their faces and Lagarde will consolidate her position as one of the world’s worst ever central bankers. This is not an easy decision and pausing too early will come at huge forward costs.
Either way it’s part of the Great Reset: ‘own nothing & be happy'
It's the boomers, Unfortunately, they outnumber younger generations and dragged us down with them. I'm strongly pro-EU as is the vast majority of the youth, yet my grandfather like most boomers is extremely anti-EU despite literally being an ex-pat living in Spain, old ass people still think the UK means shit on the global stage as if its still an empire, its cringeable. They have zero political literacy
The maximalist option? (It's the only option for the maximalist results) But yeah try the non maximalist options first to see if it's enough. At the end of the day, it's all about what the Brits really want.
EU may be tired of trying to understand what the UK, want and really really want.
First, the UK must agree with themselves about what they want, what they really really want.
Yo, I'll tell you what I want
What I really, really want
So tell me what you want
What you really, really want
I'll tell you what I want
from the perspective of someone outside the EU/UK this just looks like another example of the olds messing everything up for the younger generations
That is unfair. I am an old woman and I voted to remain, but, then, I live in Scotland where a majority voted to remain but were taken out nevertheless.
if most of the young got off their bums and decided to vote then we would probably still be in the EU but they decided not to vote and now they are upset!
The truth is that the UK is doomed to be a rule-taker for all the reasons you mentioned. Even in option 3, any "improvement" to the current deal will involve coming closer to the EU - without having a say. This demonstrates the stupidity of Brexit, claming to "take back control" and actually losing it.
I am always amazed at the attitude for the UK to want the CU, the SM, the FoMs without fully considering the FULL conditions to get them (Same rules, obey the ECJ, exchange information, etc) all things I doubt the UK is ready to do anytime soon.
I said it many times before: the EU is not a patisserie where to pick the cakes you like and ignore the others.
Yes, to join the EU, the UK will have NO waivers (many EU countries will oppose it) so the Euro, Schengen and much more so for the time being, it seems out of the question (or I'll be surprised).
The EEA is simply NOT like the UK: paying a lot of money without ANY SAY on anything.
So I gues we will have to wait quite a long time, decade(s) and I will not see UK joining. That's OK.
So many EU trucks on our motorways indicates they still want our cake.
@@DanielEarlester Now Europeans can wipe their butts with British English as well. In Europe there are HIGHWAYS
Maybe but the EU is fkd too. Southern Europe (Italy, etc) desperately need to devalue the Euro right now to save their economies, but northern Europe has to keep it elevated as inflation is a higher concern. We're witnessing the breakdown of either: 1) Europe's single currency; or 2) sovereign monetary policy.
Most likely is a further (complete?) loss of sovereignty for the southern nations as the EUssr is a globalist project under German rule (the 4th Reich)
Sure they can pause or cut interest rates, but € will tank and EZ has a high €/$ inflation sensitivity (due to Weimar hyperinflation 100 yrs ago). Spot inflation will rip in their faces and Lagarde will consolidate her position as one of the world’s worst ever central bankers. This is not an easy decision and pausing too early will come at huge forward costs.
Either way it’s part of the Great Reset plan: ‘you’ll own nothing (& be happy :/)
@@DanielEarlester Obstinate Brexiter. EU trucks are bringing you food and all you need. The UK is USELESS Want your cake? You MUST be kidding! Wake up. Here, in the EU, we certainly don't need the UK What for?
@@DanielEarlester "So many EU trucks on our motorways indicates they still want our cake." You would be surprised how secondary the UK market has become, so uninteresting to us. Yes you see some EU trucks but this is a tiny number compared with the EU trucks to serve ourselves. We are still friends with the UK but don't give a sh;t if you are interested with our goods or not. UK, on the other hand is SO MUCH interested with EU goods that it has NOT applied any import checks contrary to the beloved WTO rules
This coming from a Canadian. A fourth option exists: become an American vassal. Think along analogous lines as the Japanese. What Japan is to America for the East, the UK can be for America to Europe. Selling out does suck but at least it comes with a Happy Meal.
There was also that CANZAUK option but excluding the US from it never really made sense. Why not an extension of the Five Eyes along economic grounds rather than just a military security lens? Just a thought.
I feel like this whole conversation about the EU really narrows the possibility space that the UK actually inhabits. If you’re going to throw away your pride and grovel before the EU, realize there are other venues for such acts.
You’ve nailed it. Our establishment haven’t quite come to terms yet but our path is to lead a north European free trade bloc of Scandinavian states with links in to the five eyes. It’ll inevitably mean closer ties with the USA. Not quite vassaldom, but more deference and standard alignment with the USA
This video is good. But the simple answer is to just rejoin and not allow referenda to pass without super majority. Like any sane country.
Either way priority should be fixing our own electoral system before hand.
No. The population of that country has to have a majority in favor of it as well. They have to understand what is at stake, what are the benefits and what are the consequences and they have to ultimately agree with it. If they fail to understand what it is, then you have to make them understand it (education or painful experiences), be in favor of it or not join at all.
Misconceptions, a lack of knowledge, hatred and propaganda created what we have now. You either counter that and correct this problem or leave it as it is.
Will they have you back?
Joining the EEA isn't really an option. Norway already said they will block such an attempt years ago, but it is also not possible on legal terms. Back when the EEA was integrated into the EU, it was also ruled out, that it can grow / add new members this way. It is technically blocked from adding any new members to it. Sure, politicians can lift that blockade after a series of negotiations and create another exception for the UK, but this is "cherry picking", that they also said, would not be possible.
Norway only said they would reject the UK because they believed it would be an "unreliable partner" at the time. What our politicians need to do (especially conservatives) is apologise to the EU for their petty behaviour and incompetence, firstly. Afterwards, future governments can ensure we have a closer alignment with EU standards, as a way to restore trust.
Brexit should never have happened. A slim majority vote should never have been reliant upon for such a drastic constitutional change. The vote was advisory. The corrupt conservatives treated it as legally binding.
And there are at last two country that will veto the UK entering again in the EU: France, Greece (they want the stolen pices greek temple) and ROI
Fixing Brexit without rejoining is like fixing a car without tools or equipment.
But not impossible if the car is a Toyota Hilux, it's just that UK is not a Toyota Hilux.
Regarding access to single market for goods likes foods car parts and other essential goods likes Ukraine some services to
@@Buckets1000 Erm, Land Rover and Jaguar still make cars in the UK. Land Rover being part of the original pre British Leyland Rover who can trace their history back to 1904. Jaguar who were founded in the same year as Reliant. Both Castle Bromwich and Solihull are still in use producing cars.
@@Buckets1000the new Defender is a completely different thing. They didn't move production at all. That vehicle has only ever been made in Slovakia. But yes it's an Indian company now and they're not interested in building anything much in the UK as was expected.
The problem is mainly that the UK government’s arrogance in the decision making process in the EU has tarnished there reputation with the rest of Europe. If they want to rejoin the UK government needs to be humbled.
The UK doesn't meet the accession criteria, and thus won't be able to join.
Through YT comments I am learning a lot about attitudes of People. I find it baffling how differently the European Union is perceived within and without the UK. EU citizens mostly feel somewhat like a family where one cares for another and is interested in their wellbeing. They see the EU as a great achievement and are willing to give more than they receive for the greater good. One for all and all for one. In contrast in many comments from Brits I find a lot of hostility against the EU. It is often perceived as the enemy who is preventing the UK from arriving at a better place in the world. Quite a lot wish for the EU to fail and disintegrate. In case they are looking somewhat positively to the EU they only seem to be interested in the question "what's in for us, what can we gain for ourselves?" People with this kind of mind set are not ripe for joining the community of the EU.
That's why the UK is out and will stay out for a very very long time. The EU is doing just fine without the UK the country that used it's veto more than anyone else in the last 40 years. The covid recovery fund and the computer chip investment would have been vetoed by the UK just to give 2 examples.
Easier said than done. Labour are also 'led' by a WEF globalist dedicated to net zero & reversing brexit/BRINO and taking us back into the globalist EUssr project.
Starmer jailed Assange & ignored Jimmy Saville & Rotherham child r apeists - he's 100% establishment placement
"EU citizens mostly feel somewhat like a family". I thinks that is just your echo chamber talking. I work or have worked in Ireland, Greece, Italy and Spain. The are definitely an anti EU opinion there. But just like people who voted to remain in the EU here in the UK that predominantly belong to the social and economically more well off sections of society, I suspect the people you speak to in EU countries that are positive as you say, probably belong to that same social standing.
@@DP-co8ro I live in the EU, there is no anti EU sentiment anywhere, Brexit saw to that. I live in Italy, there's no anti EU sentiment again because of Brexit which is an unmitigated disaster.
@@thedon8772 How can you say its a disaster whilst living in a different country. What do you really know about Brexit here in the UK other than what you read online? More like confirmation bias. You should visit a real disaster in the world and stop using hyperbolic language.
Rejoin IF EU will accept you. But I don't think that'll happen in the next 30 - 40 years. At least.
The European Union is dead...it was always an organization to be vassals to the US...and now the US is not interested in Europe. In addition, it is full of bankrupt countries that live on borrowed money.
They will.
@@mattyn870why
Not a snowballs chance in hell!
Apparently, being a rule taker wasn't a problem for the Conservative government or the public when joining the CPTPP, and every British company that wants to sell into the EU is presently a rule-taker and always will be. Beyond that, Labour simply does not need to stake out a position on rejoining the EU before the next general election. During the next Parliament, Labour will move the U.K. into closer alignment with the EU and seek to reduce trade frictions. That will make things in the U.K. better, and can move swing voters behind further steps toward rejoining the EU. Only when Conservatives have been beaten in multiple general elections and have accepted that the U.K. will rejoin the EU will the EU contemplate allowing the U.K. to negotiate its reentry. As for exchanging the Euro for the Pound, that is a red herring argument. Poland has been obligated to convert to the Euro for twenty years and is no closer to doing so now then it was two decades ago. Moreover, the U.K. public will be vastly different in the twenty or thirty years from now when this topic is more pressing, and no one can claim to know what voters, some of whom are not yet born, will desire.
so sad young brits had to suffer this bad decision the move that they never figure out in the first place
Maybe but the EU is fkd too. Southern Europe (Italy, etc) desperately need to devalue the Euro right now to save their economies, but northern Europe has to keep it elevated as inflation is a higher concern. We're witnessing the breakdown of either: 1) Europe's single currency; or 2) sovereign monetary policy.
Most likely is a further (complete?) loss of sovereignty for the southern nations as the EUssr is a globalist project under German rule (the 4th Reich)
Sure they can pause or cut interest rates, but € will tank and EZ has a high €/$ inflation sensitivity (due to Weimar hyperinflation 100 yrs ago). Spot inflation will rip in their faces and Lagarde will consolidate her position as one of the world’s worst ever central bankers. This is not an easy decision and pausing too early will come at huge forward costs.
Either way it’s part of the Great Reset plan: ‘you’ll own nothing (& be happy :/)
Good editing, good content, love your videos, keep on doing pls
The time for walking up to an EU deal has mostly passed, soon the only option will be to crawl to whatever deal is offered
Out of interest, has anyone done a view on if / how the EU has changed since the UK left? Was one of its bigger players leaving really that bad an impact? Did thr EU change its approach? Would the EU really want the UK back?
For thr UK, maybe the question of was leaving the right thing to do is still up in the aid but i think most people can agree that the people in charge of doing it were useless, either by design or just by being incompetant.
Yes, there is such emotions in Brussels, that they've said the UK doesn't have to join the euro or schengen if it rejoins, something most regret leaver's claim whenever rejoining the EU is mentioned.
@@iwasborn8470There is no chance you lot rejoining, 27 countries have a veto.
The UK was in the EU for convenience. The problem was, the EU was never interested in a relationship of convenience. The EU is primarily a political project, intent on gradually replacing its members’ law, governance and institutions, with its own. In short, the EU required a far deeper level of commitment than the UK was prepared to offer.
The UK’s relationship with the EU had many perks. But are the perks really worth it in the long run, if you’re not prepared to offer the required level of commitment?
And in the case of the UK and the EU, the answer was simply “no”.
Much of the opposition to Brexit fails to understand this. People are upset about losing the perks and understandably so. But when it comes to the flip side of the perks - the commitment - they are often dismissive or blasé. One often finds Brexit opponents denying the true nature of the project: “It’s just a trade bloc”; “Its rules are basically just trade rules”; “It doesn’t constrain national sovereignty…” are things one often hears.
I’m usually quite dismissive of claims like that. It shows the speaker is aware about very little about the union they claim to want to be a member of. You don’t make a case for something by denying the reality of that ‘something’ you’re trying to make a case for. For me, they prove the very point they claim to be arguing against.
You want to be a member of a trade bloc that’s all peace, love, harmony and goodwill towards mankind, governed by simple, commonly agreed rules but with no overarching political ambition of its own? How very interesting. Go set one up then because a union such as the one you described, is not on offer. In the European context, it simply does not exist. You have just described, very eloquently indeed, why the UK should not be a member of the EU.
Extract from B. Lane.
How long, in it's present undemocratic guise, will the EU last?
@@iwasborn8470
Provide sources for your made up rubbish 😂.
@@iwasborn8470 Erm? What BS is this? Can you please tell me the sources? The line was always no more cherry picking. So not opt out on EURO or Schengen. You HAVE to accept it if you REAPPLY.
Voluntary alignment does not grant any special access to the EU markets and the EU won't be negotiating any mutual recognition of standards.
And the lack of service sector access is just what FTAs provide for. The EU has no interest in giving the UK anything more on that front.
As a european citizen i oppose free trade agreements with the uk. You can not only pick what suits you
British people starting to realize how privileged of a position they had in the EU compared to most other members.
Ask eu if they want you back, you might be shocked by the answear
What I don't get is why does the UK have this big superiority complex, big enough to not want to join at least the EEA with Norway? Why do they always want to have a say in everything, and have everything go their way?
Because their country was THE superpower once. They owned half the world and the other half had to listen to what they had to say. Now they have to listen to America and Brit’s still haven’t really gotten over that
It's been said many times that the UK can't join the EEA because Norway would veto it.
Most don't , but we suffer under an effective 2 party political system which encourages adversarial politics.
Two words for you
British empire
to be honest, the only agreement that was a working one, was Teresa May’s deal - customs union and divergence on rest…
Yeah. After 2017, this was definitely the best possible alternative.
But Labour didn't like that alternative, so they voted with the ERG, preferring a no-deal exit. (Possibly attempting to blackmail the Irish?)
And the result was de Pfeffel Johnson's 80-seats majority, which mayby wasn't really advantageous.
How to fix brexit? Getting a competent leader with a backbone is first step.
Britain is in direct competition with the EU, and will be treated as such, the EU also hold all the cards.
the EU does not hold all the cards, it's in a stronger position but that is not the same thing
@@georgiewalker5826
Well...
They don't hold "all the cards" in same way that a card player with a winning hand doesn't literally hold "all" the cards.
There's a weird position by some, that the UK and EU are somehow now enemies. UK left, they didn't start a fucking war. They actively cooperate in all the same areas still., why would they need any punishment, it;'s just democracy.
Get out of this tribal mentality man.
@@giusdbg
What? 🤔
No one is suggesting that the EU want to "command" or "destroy" the UK (and only morons thought that when we were in the EU).
In a card analogy, the person with a winning hand still needs others in the game or their is no game. The EU wants to trade with the UK, but in any deals that are made the UK will always only get what the EU are wiling to give - because the EU can afford to just walk away much, much more than the UK can.
Even with Germany and Holland in recession and Italy, Hungary & Poland still squabbling with Brussels over everything from A to Z, you really think so? EU always right and never ever wrong, is that the reasoning here?
Step 1: Fire 80% of all politicians
I think the Republic of England will have a better chance to join the EU than the United Kingdom has in REjoining the EU.
No thanks.
@@Buckets1000 Reminds me of a post that appeared on my Facebook memories where I commented on a post that there would be a vote on Irish unity in 5 years. That did not happen. However, keep stating it will happen in the same vein of Steiner’s counter offensive.
@@Buckets1000 Lol, absolute denial on the Scotland one. The SNP are imploding and can’t even be trusted to keep their accounts straight. Why on Earth would anyone trust them with a country?
@@Buckets1000 Well apart from the fact the Northern Irish Secretary needs to consent to one, and he/she will only doing so when a solid majority of people in Northern Ireland want unification. At the moment, both Nationalists and Unionists received 40% of the vote each at the last Assembly elections. If you include non-aligned parties like the Alliance who are not pro-unification, they got 15%. There is no way off those numbers that a referendum is happening anytime soon. In fact, the numbers currently say a majority favour continuing the Union with Britain by some margin.
@@Buckets1000Michael the polls in Scotland are not good for independence right now. I guess you haven't looked.
I see this discussed a lot from the UK side, but not from the EU side - would the EU even agree to any of these options? They don't seem anywhere near as fussed about UK being gone.
You are mirroring exactly the opinion of the EU Commission and the EU27.
The EU won't let the UK rejoin as a regular member unless the UK adopts Euro. Monarchs in the UK will not let that happen. So, the impasse will require adopting the Norway model. And that will agitate Brexit supporters more than they already are as, by definition, the UK will have no say. Will be interesting to see how this evolves.
Brexit supporters are becoming more of a minority over time.
In the end everyone will do exactly nothing because they're to scared to upset voters/public/the King/God...😀
@anitagorse9204 If support for closer EU alignment is increasing (some of which are leave voters), the emotions of pro brexiters will become more irrelevant over time.
Brexit was and still is a mistake. People realise they have been misinformed, which influenced them to vote for leave. Now, people are realising the bigger picture and are striving to rectify the situation.
The tories are primarily responsible for the fiasco. A hard brexit was not necessary. However, considering how arrogant and self-centered they are, it should come as no surprise. Thus, the UK does not need them back in power for a very long time. We don't need a wrecking ball of a political party back in our lives.
Politically, socially, and economically, the UK is better off in close alignment with the EU. We just need to get over the first hurdle, which is British exceptionalism. The tories have demonstrated their toxic exceptionalism during the brexit negotiations. Why us brits think we are so superior to other European nations is beyond me. Nevertheless, this attitude needs to change, starting with the piliticians.
" the impasse will require adopting the Norway model"
The "Norway model" is not available for the UK.
Plus the people that did the vote to whether people regret leaving are remainders, I know many remainers that said they would vote leave now
It's really strange to hear Brits talk about what needs to be fixed in Brexit. As if it's merely them asking for a better deal and us consenting. They still haven't learned that if they want something from us, that's only going to happen for the right price.
The UK can also become a province of Canada or the 51st state of the US. That's about as likely as going back to the EU
or a county of Ireland
Give the occupied counties back to Ireland and let Brexit Britain sink...
The UK is not that far off from being a US state. We are currently aligning our healthcare system with the US.
I’d say these weak governments have now made the UK become the 51st state of the USA already as we stand to attention when they order plus we hear their news on our television before our own. We need a real PM like Wilson who said “NO”
Much more likely, the USA might just be stupid enough to accept the UK, a mistake the EU isn't going to make anymore.
These are some good suggestions, hopefully something will come out of this mess.
Very interesting video. Can you please do a video explaining the final brexit deal and it’s implications vs our previous membership rules?
Final Brexit deal? Bwahwahhwhahwhahwhahwhahwhahhwhahwhahwahwhahwhahw!
@@prophetsnake well wether you like it or not there is a deal in place so all I’m asking is to see how that compares to if we’d never left
@@FatRonaldo1 , pretty awful. But to be expected when it was negotiated by an incompetant and fraudulent PM whose main aim was to wreck the UKs relationship with the EU
The title should read " how to fix a mistake tat should not have happen but have happened so deal with it" 😂
In the future, the UK Government should amend the acts around referendums to make it so that if at least two nations vote in a certain way, say, negative, the referendum would automatically fail, once it rejoins the EU.
As far as I understand the UK's parliamantary system every later government could just nullify these rules when it comes to their special "once in a lifetime" referendum.
The UK didn't have a real referendum. It has a specifically non binding opinion poll. Because it was non binding the courts ruled that despite the fraud in the campaign they were unable to nullify the results. It was then taken out of the EU by a party voted for by only 43,6% of the population (which got them 56% of the seats in parliament).
"Get Brexit done" they said
"It will be easy" they said
Thank you TLDR
The amount of Apathy towards addressing the consequences of Brexit is stunning. MPs are just hoping someone else will fix their own mess for them.
A bit adjacent to economic policy, but electoral reform is a necessity should long term change be possible. The system allows for polarised governments with radical swings in policy with no lasting impact, "mandates" with less than 40% of the vote and minor parties with outsized influence because they threaten to spoil votes, while having no parliamentary accountability (UKIP etc.).
This👆is the most important point!
1:12 What Went And What Wrong We Can Do With About It Brexit by Peter Foster
The option Labour seems to take is inching towards closer integration with the EU while tinkering with the deal to alleviate the symptoms of Brexit, waiting until all the Brexit anger has dissipated to start talks with the EU, mentioning rejoining before that will be suicide, the process will take too long and people will get disinterested or feel like they were lied to when the EU was offered to them.
It will be a balancing act though, you want brexit fatigue to die down a little, but not too much before brexit indifference sets in...
Why did they leave the EU in the first place? Thats the real question, can’t lead something you’re not a part of.
Corrupt government taking advantage of a badly out of date electoral system and no real constitution.
Foul up during your ad at the end (at 8’05):
“53% lean right while only 12% lean right”
The question is, would the EU want to have Britain back? The EU seems to be doing well without them.
The EU is performing woefully on the global stage. Why would the UK want to rejoin right now?
@@0w784g Dude, did you not watch the beginning? They did say that more and more Brits wants back in the EU.
@@0w784g You say so, that's not why it's true.
@@soopahfly6692 Opinion polls are there to INFLUENCE opinion (NOT to measure as 2016 & 2019 & 'Trump event' proved).
The EU is fkd too. Southern Europe (Italy, etc) desperately need to devalue the Euro right now to save their economies, but northern Europe has to keep it elevated as inflation is a higher concern. We're witnessing the breakdown of either: 1) Europe's single currency; or 2) sovereign monetary policy.
Most likely is a further (complete?) loss of sovereignty for the southern nations as the EUssr is a globalist project under German rule (the 4th Reich)
Sure they can pause or cut interest rates, but € will tank and EZ has a high €/$ inflation sensitivity (due to Weimar hyperinflation 100 yrs ago). Spot inflation will rip in their faces and Lagarde will consolidate her position as one of the world’s worst ever central bankers. This is not an easy decision and pausing too early will come at huge forward costs.
Either way it’s part of the Great Reset plan: ‘own nothing & be happy
@@0w784g At this moment UK is powerless facing new emerging economic powers like India, China, Indonesia, Brazil and South Africa which now demanding better deal offers for themselves. While on the other hand, EU as the represenative of 27 European countries still had significant power to face those emerging power. That is one of the most simplest example thing happened lately.
So people who promoted Brexit are no going to be punished? Wasn’t it obvious economic collapse might come from the beginning
God I'd love to see Farage and co. end up in jail for their lies.
As a EU citizen, I would have to have gotten over the behavior on display by the UK delegation in our parliament.
Ask me again in 25 years.
The irony being the leader of that disgusting minority group is now spending a lot of time living in Europe.
An eu citizen? What’s that? What country were you born in?
The divergence puts strain on all BG EY borders not just to NI, NI if anything has least strain and least checks just gets most media attention.
7:58
"53% of those lean right while just 12% lean right"
Ah yes, democracy.
Trusting the UK to follow standards, you say? I don't think you understand how the general view of the UK has shifted over the past 7 years. Nobody in the EU trusts the British to do anything anymore. The UK has broken its word, has broken international law and has negotiated in bad faith - yet ploughs on with an attitude of entitlement. The UK has been, and to an extent still is, gripped by misinformed populism fueled by the deeply troubling British press. In a sense, the UK has betrayed the European project. To have any hope of building trust, the UK needs to first rebuild itself - starting with putting in place an honourable, decent government. Then, in a couple of decades, if the toxic nationalism has also been curbed a little, the EU countries may be more supportive of British desires.
You sound brainwashed. Try consuming less pro-EU media. If "toxic nationalism" is your concern there's a few EU members you should turn your attention to.
Amen.
Surely the answer is to fix the UK first, make us economically stable, then the EU would have an incentive to do decent business with us?
Yes. Unfortunately if this government had thought of fixing the UK first, there would have been no need to risk leaving the EU in the first place, let alone actually doing it.
Just to note here, you can judge the relevance: The UK has not fallen into recession since brexit, but currently Germany, the Netherlands, and a few others in the EU are in one currently. - Brexit is not the cause, obviously, but the UK is generally not doing that bad, despite the gloom and doom.
@@pixhammer UK Parliament House of Commons Library: "Compared to the pre-pandemic level, UK GDP in Q2 2023 was 0.2% lower. This compares with Eurozone GDP being 2.7% higher than its pre-pandemic level."
Why do Brexiters continue to be so focused on the EU's economical performance, when it's clear that the Eurozone is still outperforming the UK? Is it the 'let's point to other people's problems to divert from our own much larger problems!' head-even-more-deep-in-the-sand tactic? I mean, if it makes you sleep better at night, be my guest. But what does it bring you?
Turkey long wanted to join the EU to strengthen its economy. EU said no, your economy isn't strong enough, stabilise it first. Catch 22. UK is in the same place now.
@@maartenaalsmeer I live in the EU you utter plonker, i am an expat living in the netherlands, why would i be a brexiteer?
Just for a start though, you are saying the total impact of Brexit is a mere 2.5% difference in economic growth than before, wow, some would say huge!
Though as you do say, economic performance by comparison is nothing to talk about, but that doesn't explain why it was the constant point of comparison in EU news agencies prior to them doing them worse.
As i said though, i was just giving info. You seem to have drawn a line in the sand that anything about Brexit not being uterly terrible is somehow a Brexiteer standpoint, which is just honestly not a reflection or reality at all.
It just comes across like you are a bit of a slave to negativity bias.
We will not rejoin the EU.
The price for rejoining would be far too high.
We would have to accept ALL aspects of EU laws with no opt outs and we would also be obliged to join the Euro.
We would not have the same terms and conditions we used to have.
And we will not rejoin the Single Market either as the EU will simply not trust this country as a non EU member.We could have remained in the Single Market if we had have applied for an indefinite up to 5 years”Norway agreement”upon leaving the EU but that would have had to have been agreed with the EU as soon as Article 50 was invoked.
Probably the only way to fix things that need fixing is for us to fine tune the existing treaty where and when it is needed and if it is to our advantage voluntarily align ourselves with certain EU rules and only if other countries like Canada,New Zealand and Australia do with their treaties.
What if I told nobody outside of the UK cares about Brexit?
This should have been a consideration since Day 1 "how do we deal with the aftermath?"
If they'd had that discussion the voters might have gotten the idea it's better to not leave
@@tomlxyz I'm not giving a single inch to an imperialist organization like the EU and NATO.
There's a reason I support Brexit despite being a leftist, it gives the EU a major blow, that said I can still criticize it for not being planned properly.
@@SpartanJoe193Wait till you find out about that time your own country was an empire for a thousand years.
A bit rich, pissing and whining about imperialist organizations when the EU is structurally the opposite thereof.
@@Blackgriffonphoenixg My country, the Philippines? Dear god, give me a break.
Also why did you bring that shit up? What's its relevance to EU not being imperialist?
The only thing we were ever going to get out of brexit was being forced to accept other people’s regulations without having a say over them. We’ve already signed up to that with CPTPP. If we ever get a deal with the USA we’d have that on steroids. The advantage to aligning with the EU again is that while we’d have to accept any new rules without having a say, we helped write all the pre existing ones. So our rule taking would be considerably less than any other compatible option
The graphs shown at 5:10 are wrong. UK exports in services now exceed the level before brexit. However the whole chart is misleading as it fails to show the UK has yet to recover in exports generally from 2008.
But does EU want UK back ??
at this point UK best bet is to wish for viking raids amd join EU as a part of Danish territory lol
Brits should stop complaining about EU laws, they helped made 90% of them in the last 45 years.
They agreed in 98% of all cases.
@@ichbinbluna3504 Maybe I should have said brexiteers in hindsight. If they can't have their way the finger immidiately shifts to the EU and their 'tyrannical laws' I'm like 'Dude, your country litterally helped make these laws'
Ok. From what i know so far and understand. I feel like brexit is just a homework that the UK gov don't want to do cause i remember that when they exit it feel like they only do it for show and don't have anything working ready.(with alot of problem they just say let's deal with it later when we have to swim in it instead of dealing with it when it only at your feet untill now)
Did i get this right???( cause i remember an article about the burecratic problem that brexit make and no one in the gov want to pay for it)
Just another level of complexity when full membership without cherrypicking is so clear!
Rejoining EU is out of question for current generation. Mid of 2040ies is the best case scenario .
I think people who voted Brexit are stupid. People who genuinely thought that mass immigration, both legal and illegal would be massively reduced when there's so much money to be gained either through cheap labour from legal immigration or massive contracts to companies like serco to house support illegals when they don't often end up supporting the land they stay in (many of which slip into the illegal economy). So yeah, i think people who voted brexit, including myself, were stupid to think Brexit would deliver what was promised.
Also i know that many people will say that Brexit isn't just about immigration and there is an economic side, to which i respond with a couple of points, feel free to criticise:
We have more net immigration than new houses being built, this drives house prices up. People, generally, are happier to spend more on their tomatoes from spain than on their mortgage. We're also a very densely populated country in comparison to other European countries with a similar population so the quality of our housing for the same price is lower.
Second, there are 2 sides to this argument, one says "They're taking our jobs!" And the other says "They're doing the jobs we dont want to!" Both are valid, however what this results in is many jobs not providing payrises or paying a "fair" wage. The example i can give is HGV Drivers. When the wages went up, native British people started to flood into the job role more as opposed to heavy reliance on foreign labour. I don't have a problem with foreign labour, but pay them a fair wage instead of relying on them because no one who lives in the country you're based would rationally choose your job to work.
Now these are the minor economic points and run more along cultural issues but still need mentioning.
The amount of immigrants in A and E departments because they don't have a registered GP is astounding. Now yes, our NHS is made up of a large proportion of foreign labour. I can only point you to the previous point made on cheap labour.
Another point, whether or not you see this as a "Far eight wing talking point" or not, the issue of not being able to communicate globally is an issue for any economy. Inwas brought up on posters in school saying "Every job requires English" and the same is universal, only changing where there is a change of language. The amount of immigrants that cannot communicate on a basic to moderate level is inadequate for the job market. Bravo to the ones that are bilingual, you have much more skill than me and that will serve you well. The issue is those that don't and thats not good for the economy either, especially (dare I say) when a large proportion of them are claiming our generous benefit system because they know they cant get the same luxury treatment in their own country. The reason i bring this up is because i actually believe the welfare state have a place in Britain, as someone who grew up on them they helped massively. My concern is that the market is going to be flooded with individuals who are allergic to work, native British individuals won't want to work for a wage thats not increased because there's cheap labour to fill the gap and immigrants who take advantage of our benefit system. This will inevitably increase the dependency ratio and the welfare state will shrink like it did under Thatcher.
These are the economic issues of immigration which is why it is a huge point of Brexit. The issue with Brexit isn't that it failed, its that it wasn't delivered properly in the first place.
If I was asked to choose between something which was badly botched in the first place but somehow made cosmetically acceptable OR something fundamentally sound, but not superficially beautiful, I think I would go for the thing that was fundamentally sound, no matter how insistent the spiv salesman was.
How to fix Brixet will never get done if we think about the EU the moment we think how to make a go between the two of them it's not going to work, it's like mixing sugar and salt one for sweating the other for seasoning two different tast but two alike product
As a eu member glad uk left, we are doing fine and other countries have learned not to make the same mistake (i hope so atleast)
We cannot rejoin, we can only join; standard package, no exceptions. Prior to all that, we will have to demonstrate that we can be trusted.
No the UK can't join the EU.
Regulatory alignment seems to be the practical solution for now