Thanks for being someone who 1) Does not waste time by gabbing too much 2) Knows how to PLAY 3) Knows how to RECORD. I enjoyed this entirely, and smiled along with you just after that 6:46 mark - thanks (Not an owner of a Plexi, but love my '76 50W).
They sound VERY alike... Perhaps the reissue has more top-end fizz, but that's to be expected since the '67 is a Bass. Both sound awesome. Great stuff Johan, very insightful! Thanks for sharing
Man your videos are SO helpful for people who want to take a Marshall amp or any vintage rock guitar stuff. You just plug it in, play and compare that stuff with a great sound. You're helpful even with microphone choices. Thank you so much.
Alejandro Flores The original has more of that marshall squishyness to it. Both are great. I wish I'd never sold reissue some years back. Very loud amp!!
I listened with my ears and not my eyes. They sound pretty much identical to me, and I’ve had many Marshalls old and new so I’m pretty familiar with these amps, great demo.
They both sound godly - book of revelation godly. The differences between them, from an audio perspective are negligible - great job Marshall. The feel however, that can only be felt by trying it out yourself. That tone and haunting feedback at 5:15 - makes my hair stand on end. Thanks for another tone adventure Johan !
Very important demonstration! The main diference is that the 67 have a "round" sound and de reissue is a little more "crisppy" but very good too! No problem for me pay aless for the reissue...it delivery the Marshall soul! Thankz Mr Segeborn!
I'm surprised with how similar they sound, even though the vintage one is a bass version. That goes to show that there's no need to paying more for boutique or vintage units in order to get that familiar Marshall crunch. Thank you once again for the video! You sure saved a bunch of players some serious cash!
+morbidrockerdude Thanks, yeah the 1987x is good enough for anyone. We're gonna demo a 1987x that basically is switchable between a number of vintages tomorrow, check that out! Cheers
They're pretty simple circuits and Marshall remember how to make them... the thing is, each component has a different value with vintage and vintage correct parts. So you may buy three 250k resistors and one is actually 221, 267 and 283. So you multiply by about 100 components that might impact sound, each Plexi ends up sounding different. The odds that two would sound the same are astronomical. Now the non handwired regular PCB Plexi you can buy uses a bit "higher quality" modern components, so they sound much closer together and since we can make caps and resistors super accurate now, you can actually replicate the sound of a particular amp. Half an hour with a multimeter and a notepad and you will learn the secret to any particular Plexi.
Well, try the reissue through a "new" speaker cab with reissue speakers. (Not everyone has an old Marshall cab with G12H30 55Hz Celestion Greenbacks with Pulsonic cones laying around). That's a whole different ball game. Those old greenbacks sound absolutely amazing, the newer one not so much I'm afraid. And another thing people tend to forget is that we are used to the sound of these things recorded. What I mean to say is that, if we listen to an album of someone using a Plexi, we listen to the processed sound (mic on the speaker, room mic, compressing, eq-ing and other stuff). It's not the "amp in the room" sound. So it will sound quite different when you stand next to one compared to what we hear on an album.
Love the reissue so much that I bought one. No reliability issues...and something we tend to forget/neglect is that I wouldn't be surprised if the 1967 sounded different fifty-years ago compared to now with all components aged half a century. Great playing, as we've come to expect! haha.
+Rick McCargar Thanks my friend, yeah what they sounded like back then is a mystery, with component drift and all. The dry tracks of late 1960s recordings could probably give us a hint, but they still have the tape compression and saturation on them. Cheers
Still great to know that one can purchase a relatively good copy of an amp at a specific period in time for a reasonable price...these videos prove that.
If you consider how many sets of Filter Capacitor, valves, and other components have been swapped in the past 49 years on the '67 1986, that amplifier has probably never had exactly the same sound over the years. But I'll be willing to bet that if it was plugged into a cabinet with nice speakers, it has always sounded good.
I'm surprised how close they sound the newer one has less 'sag' seems like all the vintage ones have that chewy sound p sweet. I'm on the hunt for a 70s marshall and or cab now because of you. Great Work Once Again!
That huge fat tone & sustain, just absolutely killer man. Makes my day hearing this. And i play it loud as hell too through the surround sound system here at the house.
Been wanting a JCM 2000 and been doing research on YT. If I'm going to spend 2 or 3 thousand I want to get the right for me. While doing my research I started paying closer attention to the Plexis. Slowly but surely I decided that the reissue is for me. Great vid. I always love to hear different people playing different tones and styles. Love that Marshall sound!
Marshall 1987x is an awesome amp! I have one and I´ve had a 100w Super lead reissue and it kicked ass! I have owned a couple JCM 2000 to and they are great but they can´t compare to the Lead and Super lead.
wow thank you so much for making this video!!! I have been using the 1987x for a few years and i absolutely adore it. I have always wondered how it stacked up to the OG's. Sounds pretty even to my ears...
Buying a vintage Plexi you took a chance as they varied a lot back then, some sounded better than others, some hummed more than others. The reissue sounds nice.
I was daydreaming from about 7:00 imagining what it would be like playing or listening to you play that tune in a open field surrounded by vintage Marshall Cabinets all powered by that original Plexi you have there oh well I can dream can't I
The new amp sounds more aggressive... a harder edge. The '67 was a little smoother and a bit warmer, although the warmth may be the fact that it is a Super Bass rather than a Super Lead. I have vintage examples of both in my stable, and find that the Super Bass is a bit more fun when I decide to get my "blues" on... For straight up rock, the Super Lead seems to have a bit more gain and cuts more. They are very close though. I love both, and even thought the new one sounded damned good.
+Scott Baierl Thanks Scott, yeah some of the warmth can probably be attributed to the bass circuit, but also a 67 Lead would be considerably warmer than the reissue. Until 67 the difference between lead and bass was primarily the bright cap. After that they got different tone stacks and the Lead got splitted cathodes. Then they truly became different amps. Cheers Johan
Sounds amazing! I have the 1987x as well and love that aggressive bright tone. I'd be interested in hearing the tunes swapped out to hear the difference. Vintage tubes in the reissue and the new ones in the vintage plexi
Johan, this clip has to be some of the best playing and incredible tone of any demo of yours or any other player I have ever heard. Being Fortunate enough to own one of the 1987X from 1972, I feel as if I hear your sound every time I play through that amp. For now I am using a 300 Watt Stereo 1960 A cab, and sadly I sold my original 1960A from around 72/73 and regret doing so especially since they are twice the money I charged for mine.
While to the average person the differences are subtle. HOWEVER as a player myself I hear dynamics from the the 67 that are not there in the 2015. The pick attack sounds better and the sustain in the 67 is less compressed. Overall the 67 has a edge in the Harmonic feedback too. Having said that you are comparing an iconic Marshall with one you can buy of the shelf today, great job by Marshall to get it that close with modern components.
I also hear more bass response in the 67... I'm sure Johan has the EQ the same for this comparison....could it be a subtle difference in the bass circuit?
So, the difference would be in the internal components that are no longer in production today plus aging. I'm curious what new production parts Marshall used in the repro. Some new production parts sound similar, Sozo caps, Heyborer trans etc...
Great reissue, I do hear some chirps and ringing I like better with the original though. The tube set up is the same. Power, pre and rectifier. I think the difference is in the circuit board as far as caps and possibly the power transformer. Very nice comparison, you are the guru for all of us tube amp heads, thanks!
Cheers Johan! Hats off sir, brilliant riffs as always 👏 Love both amps - I can notice very little difference if at all. ... I especially like your CROCS - have the same CROCS 😄
Good thing you live in an apartment ! I have a lot of amps and sold most of my cabs since the gigs are smaller and we run an ox box direct to the board. Marshall, Orange, Vox rule the rock world!
Damn you. I need one of these. I've been watching your vids for a while and you now need to go full Eddie and throw a flanger on a vid with one of these amps. They're just amazing. I commend you for having the ability to have them in the first place!
Ya know, on second listen, again through nice studio monitors...and being a gear snob....it is tough to really say if in a recording you could hear much difference...can't believe I am saying that...yeah the original sounds more "gnarly" in the low mids, and a bit more open...more of a :vocal: quality...but Marshall really did a great job on the newer amps, that many gear snobs (like me) tend to dismiss. I have had a handful of the late 60s amps, and they are impossible to totally match. When playing in person. For example....I had a Malmsteen signature amp in a room of 60s and 70s JMP heads. The Malmsteen was at the bottom of the pile, even with a late 70s 2204. It had less kerang and was rounder and softer sounding, where the old ones had that low mid vowel quality and more definition. ...I still say it is the combination of the old capacitors and transformer materials/design. There are so few of us old timers that really care anymore, but that is my two cents. Keep up ALL of the great vids Johan. :)
Both sound incredible. There are slight differences in the circuits that will contribute to them sounding a little different. But as usual, Marshall's just have a great tone. I'd buy a 1987x reissue in a minute if I was in the market for a classic rock amp.
And it's half the cost to replace power tubes and if you like overdrive a 50 W Plexi has lower headroom so it doesn't need to be turned up as much to get the sound. The only reason for a 100 W is if you play clean and loud. SRV used Marshalls for clean tones before the Dumble.
You make both amps sing for sure, Johan. Thing is - I always think the old amps ' feel ' different when I'm playing, which then gives me a different experience, and more inspired playing.
Just stumbled into this video that was of great interest, as I’ve been looking for an amp to pair with my blonde Bassman 50 (6G6-B) for a dry/wet rig and have had my eyes on a 1987x. Now I definetly going to order one!
just a private party sliding myself back in gently. I'm very lucky that the guy that filled in for me when I was in hospital has stayed on so I have a chance to sit down if I need and he is great to play off musically. I have a slinger hip strap that keeps the guitar away from my icd implant in my chest so that's a lot easier now. Any excuse to bring out the p90s lol. Do you have any gigs planned yourself?
67’ sounds clearer/tighter. The reissue sounds a little flubby and dull, like it needs a slight treble boost. 67’ wins. Thank you, Johann, for another great video. You are one with Marshall, and Marshall is one with you, like you got plexi circuits built into your hands lol. 😂
First of all, awesome playing and a great job you 're doing, demoing these amps! Second, I think i speak for on behalf of many gearheads when i say that it would be great to hear a demo and a review of vintage Hiwatt amps! Dr103 for instance. All the best! :)
There's something in the 67 Plexi top and bottom end that's missing on the Reissue. The Reissue seems a bit too compressed and focused on a narrower spectrum of mid frequencies. That said, they both sound cool :)
+Daniele Turani Thanks, that's a good summary, the 67 has more overtones and a deeper bass but the reissue probably cuts through most mixes better. Cheers
I think they both sound great! Of course the 67 has some Xtra magic..the reissue still holds its own. I should've never sold my reissue. Love your vids!!!
The new amp is a little gain-y-er..probably because everything is new. Those who are saying "the 67 wins by a mile".....frankly I don't know what your hearing, but then again, my ears aren't sensitive enough to detect "mojo" .Probably damaged from playing loud electric guitar music for 40+ years.
you know, all it takes is a preamp tube slightly out of spec (pretty common) to produce the difference in the video. If you put a "reissue" sticker on ANYTHING (including a tomato or someone's baby) a crowd of guitar players will come out from the woodwork and start slagging it off.
Love the way you talk and your accent Johan! P.S Great playing and always thorough examination of tone variance comparisons. Thank You from down under the land of hard rock.
Really interesting and well made comparison, but also great playing and amazing sound. I enjoyed this video, also! Could not hear that much difference.
Dude, the exact comparison I was looking for, and performed superbly, as good as it gets. Thanks! Also, I copied you with the industrial ear protection a few years ago and have not looked back, thanks for that too!
Sunshine of Your Love baby. The 1967 sounds better, but not by much. They are both good amps. Love the footage of Gothenburg floating past in the background.
Johan, you’re a special case! And again I found a great video of you! Thank you! I guess, I’ve already mentioned it: It’s always interesting and fun to watch your videos and you’re a great musician. In this film I like your heavy stone riffs (from about minute 1) very much, wish, I had an idea how to play it. By the way: I wouldn’t give too much on the difference between the Marshallows here. You’re naturally, nice and crazy enough for your surprising videos, always coming straight to the point - that’s what I like! All the best to you! (Sorry for my marsian English. I got it from Jupiter, what’s, everyone knows, the next planet to Germany.)
Love this video. I must say I prefer the older model to the reissue. But I have to laugh at the “tone know it alls” here that think they could tell the difference in a real world situation. I GUARANTEE you that you could record something with the reissue and tell them it was an original 1967 and they would say “yeah man! No THAT’S the tone that a reissue can’t do”. I GUARANTEE it. I’ve seen it happen to many tone snobs.
The original definitely has a “seasoning” mixed in that makes it a little more dynamic. I wonder if the circuit wiring is original, I suspect it is. The characteristics of a valve amp can change slightly as it ages. The original most likely sounded exactly like the reissue when it was brand new in ‘67.
The original wins by a mile. It is smoother and has more compression. But maybe after a few thousand hours of playing the reissue might do the same thing.
Johan Segeborn I find that amps sound better over time and that the reason for that is because transformers get weaker over time, and that weakness equals smoother tones and more compression. That's why a vintage tube amp never sounds the same after it blows an output transformer and gets a new one. It's not the design of the transformer, but the newness that ruins the tone. I have a Fender Blues Deluxe that used to have an ice pick sound to it. I smoothed it out using an attenuator. Well, after hours of using the attenuator, the abuse aged the OT transformer nicely. Now I don't need the attenuator anymore, and the amp sounds like a vintage amp. Go replace the OT transformer on your 67 Plexi with a new one. A lot of the magic will disappear. Of course, there are other factors to the magic of that plexi. The old power transformer and the old speakers too add to the smoothness and compression due to the windings building up resistance over the years.
+LARRY Check out this clip where Alexander Niemand discusses how a vintage tone can be achieved with cheap components ruclips.net/video/1Nj3HL-9-Xw/видео.html
Surprised how great the 87X sounded. But the old ones just have more of everything...kerang for days, rawness and open sounding, better definition, etc. Tubes make a HUGE difference, but not as much as those old transformers. You can't even get the same materials anymore. Still,,,,for the money, I would be happy with the newer one....as long as I had an old one, too. Which I do, so I am biased. Great job again Johan, thank you.
It's not more open it has a lower harmonic content the reissue lacks. If they where not back to back you may not notice but in this test it is obvious.
Both amps sound great. The 67' is warmer and a touch darker and slightly rounder tones. That classic "Marshall" tone. The 2015 reissue is brighter with a touch less mid with a more "square" tone. The problem with both amps is they have to be cranked to the point of utterly exploding to get that "plexi" tone. Great video!
thank you for the comparison, however, I would like to hear a true 1987 vs. 1987 reissue. both of these sound great, but the 67 has a little more chime on the top end. I am pretty sure that the 68 or 69 marshalls made some changes as far as rectification. I love this demo, nice job Johan!!!!
+Brett Kelly Thanks Brett! Yeah a post mid 68 Plexi would be a little closer to the reissue. But this 67 has a solid state rectifier like the reissue. It doesn't have split cathodes though. Cheers
vintage sounds a little deeper. but at the volume they are played i woudn`t her that much of a difference in the room. ah and thank you for sharing your sounds with us. always top notch quality :-)
Awesome again!!! 1967 is just fat & chewy. RI does a close approximation but 67 is just magical and an amp to keep forever. RI a bIt more fizzy IMO. Both great amps.
Oh man, Sunshine Of Your Love is one of those songs that I can't hear enough!! Great playing and super nice amps! To my ears the original has the ability to clean up better and the reissue has more highs & mids. The original has the classic plexi crunch and the reissue sounds a little "nasal-ly" What volume were they on to get that nice crunchiness? And for the clean stuff around 4:00min. did you clean up with the guitar vol. or turn down the amp?
I have never had my 75 SLP past 2 and even played at an outdoor festival before and it was still too loud at 2. They didn't even mic my cab and my band still blew the PA we were so loud.
I think they both sound fantastic. I am surprised to hear how similar they sound when Marshall claims the 1987x is based on an early 70's plexi which is supposed to sound a lot meaner than the earlier plexis
Sounds great ! I also got great Plexi sounds from DSL 2000 and JVM with greenback cab. JMP and 800 had that sound too if you knew how to dial it in.Most use way too much gain trying to get that sound.
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Thanks for being someone who
1) Does not waste time by gabbing too much
2) Knows how to PLAY
3) Knows how to RECORD.
I enjoyed this entirely, and smiled along with you just after that 6:46 mark - thanks
(Not an owner of a Plexi, but love my '76 50W).
Yup i agree. Nicely done vids.
Well put. Comparisons are always clear and concise. Dialog is purposeful.
the knowing how to record part is what matters
And he has all the important facts in the description. Cab and amp models etc
@@bonitabromeliads it all matters.
They sound VERY alike... Perhaps the reissue has more top-end fizz, but that's to be expected since the '67 is a Bass. Both sound awesome. Great stuff Johan, very insightful! Thanks for sharing
+Mr T '74 Thanks! Great to hear!
The great thing about finding this channel in 2021 is so much content to enjoy
Just happy to hear that the reissue is in respectable range of the original.
+Paul Oquist it is indeed. Especially on high gain
Facts what is an OG upwards of ten thou?
@@jacobhoover9223mint if you can find one with all components intact…
Man your videos are SO helpful for people who want to take a Marshall amp or any vintage rock guitar stuff.
You just plug it in, play and compare that stuff with a great sound.
You're helpful even with microphone choices.
Thank you so much.
to be honnest, i heared not a lot of different, they both sounds amazing :)
+Alejandro Flores Thanks, yeah Marshall has done a great job on the reissue
Alejandro Flores The original has more of that marshall squishyness to it. Both are great. I wish I'd never sold reissue some years back. Very loud amp!!
I listened with my ears and not my eyes. They sound pretty much identical to me, and I’ve had many Marshalls old and new so I’m pretty familiar with these amps, great demo.
omg. i love that plexi crunchy sound!
+slickcross Thanks :-)
They're VERY similar, good to finally get a good comparison of the two
+Lars Sig Thanks! Yeah Marshall did a good job on the reissue. Especially since it's a standard model.
They both sound godly - book of revelation godly.
The differences between them, from an audio perspective are negligible - great job Marshall.
The feel however, that can only be felt by trying it out yourself.
That tone and haunting feedback at 5:15 - makes my hair stand on end.
Thanks for another tone adventure Johan !
+Chris Fleury Thanks Chris! So glad you like it. The 1967 is so much easier to play :-) But the 1987X is great too.
Johan Segeborn then it's overcompressed.
Very important demonstration! The main diference is that the 67 have a "round" sound and de reissue is a little more "crisppy" but very good too! No problem for me pay aless for the reissue...it delivery the Marshall soul! Thankz Mr Segeborn!
+cgarciaad Thanks, yeah they both have the classic Marshall tone! Cheers
Remember that the original is actually a bass circuit and the reissue isn’t. Would be interested to hear the comparison between the correct circuits.
Might be that some capacitors dried out over time and lost some capacity and have a reduced ESR today ...
I can hear the mojo in the 1967 but the 2015 sounds awesome too !!!!!
I feel partially "per'plexed" after watching this! lol. Nice playing and sound, Johan!
Hahaha! ;-) Cheers Daniel
I'm surprised with how similar they sound, even though the vintage one is a bass version. That goes to show that there's no need to paying more for boutique or vintage units in order to get that familiar Marshall crunch. Thank you once again for the video! You sure saved a bunch of players some serious cash!
+morbidrockerdude Thanks, yeah the 1987x is good enough for anyone. We're gonna demo a 1987x that basically is switchable between a number of vintages tomorrow, check that out! Cheers
Sweet! Thank you!
They're pretty simple circuits and Marshall remember how to make them... the thing is, each component has a different value with vintage and vintage correct parts. So you may buy three 250k resistors and one is actually 221, 267 and 283. So you multiply by about 100 components that might impact sound, each Plexi ends up sounding different. The odds that two would sound the same are astronomical. Now the non handwired regular PCB Plexi you can buy uses a bit "higher quality" modern components, so they sound much closer together and since we can make caps and resistors super accurate now, you can actually replicate the sound of a particular amp. Half an hour with a multimeter and a notepad and you will learn the secret to any particular Plexi.
Close enough that I would not be confident I could tell the diffference by sound alone. Nicely done, Marshall.
Well, try the reissue through a "new" speaker cab with reissue speakers. (Not everyone has an old Marshall cab with G12H30 55Hz Celestion Greenbacks with Pulsonic cones laying around). That's a whole different ball game. Those old greenbacks sound absolutely amazing, the newer one not so much I'm afraid. And another thing people tend to forget is that we are used to the sound of these things recorded. What I mean to say is that, if we listen to an album of someone using a Plexi, we listen to the processed sound (mic on the speaker, room mic, compressing, eq-ing and other stuff). It's not the "amp in the room" sound. So it will sound quite different when you stand next to one compared to what we hear on an album.
They sound very similar. Great job there Marshall.
Lovisa Andersson i also thought they sounded similar. I wouldn't be able to tell if they had not been side by side
PLEASE do a silver Jubilee reissue vs the original. Great video, you actually know what the hell you're doing.
Love the reissue so much that I bought one. No reliability issues...and something we tend to forget/neglect is that I wouldn't be surprised if the 1967 sounded different fifty-years ago compared to now with all components aged half a century.
Great playing, as we've come to expect! haha.
+Rick McCargar Thanks my friend, yeah what they sounded like back then is a mystery, with component drift and all. The dry tracks of late 1960s recordings could probably give us a hint, but they still have the tape compression and saturation on them. Cheers
Still great to know that one can purchase a relatively good copy of an amp at a specific period in time for a reasonable price...these videos prove that.
+Rick McCargar yeah, they'd be really hard to distinguish between in a blind test
If you consider how many sets of Filter Capacitor, valves, and other components have been swapped in the past 49 years on the '67 1986, that amplifier has probably never had exactly the same sound over the years. But I'll be willing to bet that if it was plugged into a cabinet with nice speakers, it has always sounded good.
I'm surprised how close they sound the newer one has less 'sag' seems like all the vintage ones have that chewy sound p sweet. I'm on the hunt for a 70s marshall and or cab now because of you. Great Work Once Again!
That huge fat tone & sustain, just absolutely killer man. Makes my day hearing this. And i play it loud as hell too through the surround sound system here at the house.
+Rich Firyn Hi Rich! So good to heat that. Have a great weekend! Cheers
Been wanting a JCM 2000 and been doing research on YT. If I'm going to spend 2 or 3 thousand I want to get the right for me. While doing my research I started paying closer attention to the Plexis. Slowly but surely I decided that the reissue is for me. Great vid. I always love to hear different people playing different tones and styles. Love that Marshall sound!
Marshall 1987x is an awesome amp! I have one and I´ve had a 100w Super lead reissue and it kicked ass! I have owned a couple JCM 2000 to and they are great but they can´t compare to the Lead and Super lead.
wow thank you so much for making this video!!! I have been using the 1987x for a few years and i absolutely adore it. I have always wondered how it stacked up to the OG's. Sounds pretty even to my ears...
Makes me happy to know that Marshall can still make a recreation of the original thank God. That was a great video
Buying a vintage Plexi you took a chance as they varied a lot back then, some sounded better than others, some hummed more than others. The reissue sounds nice.
I was daydreaming from about 7:00 imagining what it would be like playing or listening to you play that tune in a open field surrounded by vintage Marshall Cabinets all powered by that original Plexi you have there oh well I can dream can't I
+Stevie Ray A nice dream indeed! Cheers!
I know I am way behind on this but damn, that amp and your playing man....pure rocknroll man. love your playing and your channel.
The '67 sounds meatier but it sounds like they did a great job on the reissue 👍
+Ernesto Del Baño Thanks man, they did indeed!
woah, the reissue sounds really good in this clip. sounds even brighter than the original, crunchy. great video, thanks!
+RorysIrishTour Thanks, yeah Marshall has still got it! :-)
The new amp sounds more aggressive... a harder edge. The '67 was a little smoother and a bit warmer, although the warmth may be the fact that it is a Super Bass rather than a Super Lead. I have vintage examples of both in my stable, and find that the Super Bass is a bit more fun when I decide to get my "blues" on... For straight up rock, the Super Lead seems to have a bit more gain and cuts more. They are very close though. I love both, and even thought the new one sounded damned good.
+Scott Baierl Thanks Scott, yeah some of the warmth can probably be attributed to the bass circuit, but also a 67 Lead would be considerably warmer than the reissue. Until 67 the difference between lead and bass was primarily the bright cap. After that they got different tone stacks and the Lead got splitted cathodes. Then they truly became different amps. Cheers Johan
Agree with that!
Another killer video by Joan, thumbs up !!!! Love the psychedelic visual at the end. Both amps sound great. Good playing too!
+Kelster Von Shredster Thanks, glad you like the visuals too :-)
Johan, thank you so much, this clarifies everything I need to know about the reissue. Its at the top of my short list for new amp. Cheers.
Sounds amazing! I have the 1987x as well and love that aggressive bright tone. I'd be interested in hearing the tunes swapped out to hear the difference. Vintage tubes in the reissue and the new ones in the vintage plexi
Johan, this clip has to be some of the best playing and incredible tone of any demo of yours or any other player I have ever heard. Being Fortunate enough to own one of the 1987X from 1972, I feel as if I hear your sound every time I play through that amp. For now I am using a 300 Watt Stereo 1960 A cab, and sadly I sold my original 1960A from around 72/73 and regret doing so especially since they are twice the money I charged for mine.
While to the average person the differences are subtle. HOWEVER as a player myself I hear dynamics from the the 67 that are not there in the 2015. The pick attack sounds better and the sustain in the 67 is less compressed. Overall the 67 has a edge in the Harmonic feedback too.
Having said that you are comparing an iconic Marshall with one you can buy of the shelf today, great job by Marshall to get it that close with modern components.
I also hear more bass response in the 67... I'm sure Johan has the EQ the same for this comparison....could it be a subtle difference in the bass circuit?
So, the difference would be in the internal components that are no longer in production today plus aging. I'm curious what new production parts Marshall used in the repro. Some new production parts sound similar, Sozo caps, Heyborer trans etc...
Great reissue, I do hear some chirps and ringing I like better with the original though. The tube set up is the same. Power, pre and rectifier. I think the difference is in the circuit board as far as caps and possibly the power transformer. Very nice comparison, you are the guru for all of us tube amp heads, thanks!
Cheers Johan! Hats off sir, brilliant riffs as always 👏 Love both amps - I can notice very little difference if at all.
... I especially like your CROCS - have the same CROCS 😄
+Jojimbo Usagi Hahaha, I had them on a couple of minutes ago :-)
Good thing you live in an apartment !
I have a lot of amps and sold most of my cabs since the gigs are smaller and we run an ox box direct to the board.
Marshall, Orange, Vox rule the rock world!
You just can't beat original Marshalls. So snarly and lovely :). I used to own one of those reissues and they are nice.
+zurg9000 Thanks!
Damn you. I need one of these. I've been watching your vids for a while and you now need to go full Eddie and throw a flanger on a vid with one of these amps. They're just amazing. I commend you for having the ability to have them in the first place!
Ya know, on second listen, again through nice studio monitors...and being a gear snob....it is tough to really say if in a recording you could hear much difference...can't believe I am saying that...yeah the original sounds more "gnarly" in the low mids, and a bit more open...more of a :vocal: quality...but Marshall really did a great job on the newer amps, that many gear snobs (like me) tend to dismiss. I have had a handful of the late 60s amps, and they are impossible to totally match. When playing in person. For example....I had a Malmsteen signature amp in a room of 60s and 70s JMP heads. The Malmsteen was at the bottom of the pile, even with a late 70s 2204. It had less kerang and was rounder and softer sounding, where the old ones had that low mid vowel quality and more definition. ...I still say it is the combination of the old capacitors and transformer materials/design. There are so few of us old timers that really care anymore, but that is my two cents. Keep up ALL of the great vids Johan. :)
Both sound incredible. There are slight differences in the circuits that will contribute to them sounding a little different. But as usual, Marshall's just have a great tone. I'd buy a 1987x reissue in a minute if I was in the market for a classic rock amp.
+Tod Wildason Thanks Tod!
Very nice amp that Marshall 1987X, and with boost it is amazing. Thanks Marshall, well done.
And it's half the cost to replace power tubes and if you like overdrive a 50 W Plexi has lower headroom so it doesn't need to be turned up as much to get the sound. The only reason for a 100 W is if you play clean and loud. SRV used Marshalls for clean tones before the Dumble.
You make both amps sing for sure, Johan. Thing is - I always think the old amps ' feel ' different when I'm playing, which then gives me a different experience, and more inspired playing.
The 1967 head has killer tone.
Thanks for this great comparaison. Absolute nicest tone and your playing as improved so much for the better. Cheers.
+André Barrière Thanks man, I'm so glad you like the playing. :-) cheers
Some killer licks and riffs with killer sound. Great comparison.
+hachewie Thanks! I'm so glad to hear that. Cheers!
Just stumbled into this video that was of great interest, as I’ve been looking for an amp to pair with my blonde Bassman 50 (6G6-B) for a dry/wet rig and have had my eyes on a 1987x. Now I definetly going to order one!
This shows how important the speakers are to the over all tone. Those old pulsonic cone greenbacks are intergral as Johan has been saying all along.
They sound very close and I'm loving these vids. Keep em coming.
+Greg Piggott Thanks Greg, great to hear that!
That '67 sounds like its alive. The new one doesn't have the character that the old one does. That tone is sweet
+Joe Lasky Thanks Joe!
i was just blown away when you played that classic clash riff!!
+은용진 Thanks! Do you mean the Cream riff?
+Johan Segeborn oops just wrote clash while thinking cream!! haha
+은용진 Cheers! Both were great bands :-)
needed to hear your soulful playing on the way to a gig. great timing of the upload thankyou! Have a great weekend
+PoJoWo You too my friend! Where are you playing?
just a private party sliding myself back in gently. I'm very lucky that the guy that filled in for me when I was in hospital has stayed on so I have a chance to sit down if I need and he is great to play off musically. I have a slinger hip strap that keeps the guitar away from my icd implant in my chest so that's a lot easier now. Any excuse to bring out the p90s lol. Do you have any gigs planned yourself?
excuse the delayed reply ....Welsh Internet connection very poor due to sheep interference.
+PoJoWo No, There will only be RUclips clips in the foreseeable future! :-)
Well when they're as good as yours that is wonderful news, all that said it would be a blessing for an audience to experience your talents
Marshall has done a great job in keeping the tone.
+tim price They have indeed!
This is such a great video. Your playing is amazing. Both sound great but the '67 seems to have a bit more life and detail in it's sound.
Wow!! What a difference! I'd go for the 67. Just stumbled on this......
67’ sounds clearer/tighter. The reissue sounds a little flubby and dull, like it needs a slight treble boost. 67’ wins.
Thank you, Johann, for another great video. You are one with Marshall, and Marshall is one with you, like you got plexi circuits built into your hands lol. 😂
First of all, awesome playing and a great job you 're doing, demoing these amps! Second, I think i speak for on behalf of many gearheads when i say that it would be great to hear a demo and a review of vintage Hiwatt amps! Dr103 for instance. All the best! :)
+Ivan Domaćinović Thanks Ivan! I've been wanting to do a Hiwatt for a long time now. Hopefully soon. Cheers
I own a 2005 reissue, and when I hear you play it makes me think that I don't deserve owning it :'(
+Nils P Thanks Nils, you are too kind! Cheers Johan
Love your videos. Amazing collection you have! Even better playing. Thanks for sharing
There's something in the 67 Plexi top and bottom end that's missing on the Reissue. The Reissue seems a bit too compressed and focused on a narrower spectrum of mid frequencies. That said, they both sound cool :)
+Daniele Turani Thanks, that's a good summary, the 67 has more overtones and a deeper bass but the reissue probably cuts through most mixes better. Cheers
I think they both sound great! Of course the 67 has some Xtra magic..the reissue still holds its own. I should've never sold my reissue. Love your vids!!!
The new amp is a little gain-y-er..probably because everything is new. Those who are saying "the 67 wins by a mile".....frankly I don't know what your hearing, but then again, my ears aren't sensitive enough to detect "mojo" .Probably damaged from playing loud electric guitar music for 40+ years.
+solerso68 hahaha! If the ears are completely intact after 40+ years of guitar playing, then something is wrong ;-)
You are correct
you know, all it takes is a preamp tube slightly out of spec (pretty common) to produce the difference in the video. If you put a "reissue" sticker on ANYTHING (including a tomato or someone's baby) a crowd of guitar players will come out from the woodwork and start slagging it off.
Actually, I do not hear any differences with my eyes closed
Love the way you talk and your accent Johan! P.S Great playing and always thorough examination of tone variance comparisons. Thank You from down under the land of hard rock.
Really interesting and well made comparison, but also great playing and amazing sound. I enjoyed this video, also! Could not hear that much difference.
Thanks always for posting , great job. I have 1959slp reissue 2001. Very happy with it.
I thought the reissue had just a little more high end but they both sounded amazing
Dude, the exact comparison I was looking for, and performed superbly, as good as it gets. Thanks! Also, I copied you with the industrial ear protection a few years ago and have not looked back, thanks for that too!
And I think I might prefer the new one too, amazing.
The original is a keeper. Hang on to that baby!
+MamoDad I will indeed :-)
Excellent playing. I really enjoy your vids. Thank you!
The 67 is the clear winner has more bite and full tone sounds amazing
They both sound amazing, but if I had to choose I would pick the '67. Vintage amps just have a certain mojo that modern amps don't have.
+brntgrbl Thanks, yeah it's hard to make a copy that beats the original.
Sunshine of Your Love baby. The 1967 sounds better, but not by much. They are both good amps. Love the footage of Gothenburg floating past in the background.
New amp is a good approximation, but the original is thicker and richer. Just sounds a lot better to me.
Johan, you’re a special case! And again I found a great video of you! Thank you! I guess, I’ve already mentioned it: It’s always interesting and fun to watch your videos and you’re a great musician. In this film I like your heavy stone riffs (from about minute 1) very much, wish, I had an idea how to play it. By the way: I wouldn’t give too much on the difference between the Marshallows here.
You’re naturally, nice and crazy enough for your surprising videos, always coming straight to the point - that’s what I like!
All the best to you!
(Sorry for my marsian English. I got it from Jupiter, what’s, everyone knows, the next planet to Germany.)
Very close huh? You've the best job Johan. Liking the recent split screen edits you've been doing with these as well. Keep it up!
+Matt Evans Thanks Matt! Yeah they'd be hard to separate in a blind test. Cheers Johan
Love this video. I must say I prefer the older model to the reissue. But I have to laugh at the “tone know it alls” here that think they could tell the difference in a real world situation. I GUARANTEE you that you could record something with the reissue and tell them it was an original 1967 and they would say “yeah man! No THAT’S the tone that a reissue can’t do”. I GUARANTEE it. I’ve seen it happen to many tone snobs.
Those old amps just have a special magic tone that the manufacturers these days just can't seem to capture.
The original definitely has a “seasoning” mixed in that makes it a little more dynamic. I wonder if the circuit wiring is original, I suspect it is. The characteristics of a valve amp can change slightly as it ages. The original most likely sounded exactly like the reissue when it was brand new in ‘67.
I prefer Original even if Reissue sound good but there is a huge difference to my ears (i'm using good headphones).
Not a lot in it is there, the old 67 seems to fit like an old shoe, the younger one will get there! thanks for the great review :)
+Ian Ryan Thanks man :-)
The original wins by a mile. It is smoother and has more compression. But maybe after a few thousand hours of playing the reissue might do the same thing.
+LARRY There will be some component drift over time, but it won't make it sound better.
Johan Segeborn I find that amps sound better over time and that the reason for that is because transformers get weaker over time, and that weakness equals smoother tones and more compression. That's why a vintage tube amp never sounds the same after it blows an output transformer and gets a new one. It's not the design of the transformer, but the newness that ruins the tone.
I have a Fender Blues Deluxe that used to have an ice pick sound to it. I smoothed it out using an attenuator. Well, after hours of using the attenuator, the abuse aged the OT transformer nicely. Now I don't need the attenuator anymore, and the amp sounds like a vintage amp.
Go replace the OT transformer on your 67 Plexi with a new one. A lot of the magic will disappear.
Of course, there are other factors to the magic of that plexi. The old power transformer and the old speakers too add to the smoothness and compression due to the windings building up resistance over the years.
+LARRY Check out this clip where Alexander Niemand discusses how a vintage tone can be achieved with cheap components
ruclips.net/video/1Nj3HL-9-Xw/видео.html
Johan Segeborn He had a lot of interesting things to say. Thank you.
Like so many of the components. How about the tubes in this comparison? That could make a hell of a difference on both amps!
67 has a bit more edge, but they sound nearly identical to my ears. Great playing as always ! Have a great weekend Johan ! : )
+Mitchell Ferre You too my friend! Cheers
Surprised how great the 87X sounded. But the old ones just have more of everything...kerang for days, rawness and open sounding, better definition, etc. Tubes make a HUGE difference, but not as much as those old transformers. You can't even get the same materials anymore. Still,,,,for the money, I would be happy with the newer one....as long as I had an old one, too. Which I do, so I am biased. Great job again Johan, thank you.
The original is more agressive, more open tone, Both sound great
+Glauco Santiago Thanks Glauco!
It's not more open it has a lower harmonic content the reissue lacks. If they where not back to back you may not notice but in this test it is obvious.
I believe that most sound change is caused by the transformers of the time, they are much more robust
i would say exactly like Glauco, more open tone. Probably we don't have the same definition of open tone!
Both amps sound great. The 67' is warmer and a touch darker and slightly rounder tones. That classic "Marshall" tone. The 2015 reissue is brighter with a touch less mid with a more "square" tone. The problem with both amps is they have to be cranked to the point of utterly exploding to get that "plexi" tone. Great video!
thank you for the comparison, however, I would like to hear a true 1987 vs. 1987 reissue. both of these sound great, but the 67 has a little more chime on the top end. I am pretty sure that the 68 or 69 marshalls made some changes as far as rectification. I love this demo, nice job Johan!!!!
+Brett Kelly Thanks Brett! Yeah a post mid 68 Plexi would be a little closer to the reissue. But this 67 has a solid state rectifier like the reissue. It doesn't have split cathodes though. Cheers
vintage sounds a little deeper. but at the volume they are played i woudn`t her that much of a difference in the room. ah and thank you for sharing your sounds with us. always top notch quality :-)
+LaLa Tra Thanks, glad you like them!
Awesome again!!! 1967 is just fat & chewy. RI does a close approximation but 67 is just magical and an amp to keep forever. RI a bIt more fizzy IMO. Both great amps.
+Tricko Thanks yeah I'll take that 67 with me in the grave :-)
If you are buried with it, you will deprive future generations of that sound!
But you get into heaven much faster if you are carrying that 67' with you.
Especially if you can plug in "Pearly Gates."
+Richard Highsmith :-) I'm not a better man than that
Oh man, Sunshine Of Your Love is one of those songs that I can't hear enough!! Great playing and super nice amps! To my ears the original has the ability to clean up better and the reissue has more highs & mids. The original has the classic plexi crunch and the reissue sounds a little "nasal-ly"
What volume were they on to get that nice crunchiness? And for the clean stuff around 4:00min. did you clean up with the guitar vol. or turn down the amp?
+Dalton Crabtree Thanks! They were most likely dimed at all time, using the guitar knobs to shape the tone :-) Cheers
i definitely prefer the original, sounds warmer and not so compressed in my opinion. great visuals btw!
+Da Faq Thanks! Glad you like the sceneries! Cheers
I finally played on a old Marshall non master volume it sounded great but it was very loud on volume 2 even
+Charles Benson Yeah its probably past 120dB even at volume 2 :-)
it sounded like ACDC I know louder it gets dirtier
I have never had my 75 SLP past 2 and even played at an outdoor festival before and it was still too loud at 2. They didn't even mic my cab and my band still blew the PA we were so loud.
They way you could lean back into the feedback on the 67 from 6 minutes on was very special. But god I bet it was loud as hell. Great chops as always.
+RokinLee Thanks, yeah it's like being submerged in sound! :-)
This was some perfect playing for both the amps. Great job!
Thanks Brett, that's really good to hear!
I think they both sound fantastic. I am surprised to hear how similar they sound when Marshall claims the 1987x is based on an early 70's plexi which is supposed to sound a lot meaner than the earlier plexis
+xyzd95 Thanks, well they require different types of touch to perform. The 1987X is harder to play. Cheers Johan
both fantastic.great playing too!!
+Chris Doyle Thanks Chris! Really glad to hear it!
Both sound great, but I dig the fatter deeper tone from the original.
+Mykal Anstrom Thanks Mykal, yeah I prefer it too, that's my go-to Plexi, or more specifically my only Plexi :-)
I would take any of these amps they sound amazing
+Ian Banks Thanks Ian
Sounds great ! I also got great Plexi sounds from DSL 2000 and JVM with greenback cab.
JMP and 800 had that sound too if you knew how to dial it in.Most use way too much gain trying to get that sound.