Controversy leads to tempers flaring at Fenway
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- Опубликовано: 26 сен 2024
- 05/22/1982 - Home Plate Umpire Russ Goetz has his hands full with Dwight Evans, Jim Rice, Bo McLaughlin, Mike Heath, Billy Martin, Ralph Houk & Cliff Johnson during a Game in Boston.
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I remember still putting this game on in the afternoon. How i miss all the afternoon games
Yeah, it’s “America’s Favorite PASTIME”!
Everyone’s all kinds of upset over how long these games are taking (ignoring that no one ever considered it “America’s Favorite SPORT”)!
Money, gambling, impatience, etc. All of it’s ruining the experience of sittin’ in the lounge chair, watchin’ a game, chattin’ with those around, & calmly PASSING the TIME on a lazy summer day.
We place no value in relaxing. We want RESULTS, DAMN IT!
I’ll always watch MLB, but I can’t necessarily endorse it (f’rinstance, I don’t wanna’ tell people what I’m “doin’ tonight” when I plan on taking in a Red Sox game ‘cuz I’m kinda’ embarrassed).
Whatta’ shame. 😐
I'm not a Sox fan ( unless playing the Yanks 😂) , the only annoying parts is the ( look at me ) announcers ( started by Mr Woke himself Costas who's voice u hear now) and the ridiculous flamboyant 3 minute show boating home run antics in today's game. Real baseball enthusiasts ( or ones who have played the game) DONT " need this in the game" It's ruined the NFL and MLB better put a stop to it
“Yaz is on deck”…and the sweet memories of my New England childhood come rushing in.
me too, Yaz and Orr were my favorites growing up in Rhode Island :)
Yaz, Jim Ed & Dewey!
I’m a Yankee fan for 60;years but what a classy (YAZ) man
I just took it all for granted.
I’d have trouble w/the antenna, getting the picture to stand still, and having to point my tiny b&w TV away from the sun in order to see the best games (ever) on channel 38.
Then, all that was gone (poof)!
I don’t recall getting cable, or seeing NESN take over, or first using a “clicker”. It just happened. 😐
I’m not ashamed to sound like ev’ry other old person ever - I miss bein’ a kid. It was sooooo sweet!!! 👍🤟🙂
All those World Series titles during those years?
I remember watching this as an 11 year old. Saturday afternoon game of the week. I could not remember that it may have been over spitballs. I do remember Rice and Heath having to be separated between pitches after Rice had tried to go after Heath previously. I've been looking for this for a while and finally someone put it up...Thanks...
Does Bob Costas ever come up for air
Loves to put EVERYTHING into historical perspective.
Seriously
I know, my God. Shut up for two seconds.
What's missing in this game are the 17 commercials today's MLB would break away to.
😂😂
And the print ads behind home plate
😂😂😂😂
Ump Goetz showed a shit ton of patience there. Modern umps could take note!
And people who sit on their butt at home could stay quiet!
He was aware that the pitcher and catcher were doing something that was agitating the Red Sox hitters. And that has Billy Martin written all over it.
That was pretty normal for the time. Unless you actually got in a fight they typically didn’t toss anyone.
True, but ups back then didn’t have to deal with batters arguing over every pitch they think was half a millimeter outside. It can definitely contribute to the development of a short fuse.
Ya nowadays you turn and take one step to the ump in the middle of an AB to argue a pitch, you're gone!
Dwight Evans…the best right fielder not in the hall of fame…
Coming from a Yankees fan, Dewey definitely belongs in Cooperstown
I agree....Yankee fan 2
I can’t believe he is not in the hall and Scott Rolen is!!!
@@noelvillegas8189 FACTS!!
I beg to differ. Darryl Strawberry was the best right fielder in my time. It’s a shame drugs and alcohol effected his career.
Not sure who's right or wrong here, but I know one thing for certain. I would NOT want Jim Rice mad at me.
Interesting how Rice quieted down once big Cliff Johnson and Billy Martin (former Yankees) stepped up.
@@georgeanthony7282Billy Martin? That old drunk?? Rice would toss him aside worse than what Pedro did to that bozo Zimmer. 😂😂🍷🍻🍺🍹🍸😂😂
@@georgeanthony7282I don’t think Jim Rice was concerned about either of them.
typical dago remark@@richardsiciliano7117
@@georgeanthony7282I watched Rice his whole career and he was the man of reason and quiet enforcer in Boston. I’m a Yankee fan and I’ll tell you, nobody wanted anything to do with rice. Willie Horton was known as a bad boy in Detroit and when the benches emptied in Fenway nobody could calm Willie down and 6-4 225 lb Carlton Fisk was right in front of him and having no succes, when finally Rice got to Horton and was just speaking to him right in his face and willie immediately calmed right down and big Jim never put a finger on him. Players all over the league knew rice had a reputation for being a guy you don’t tick off. And your comment goes both ways, big Cliff walked out of the dugout slowly and sorta stopped, Rice was a key player for Boston and I’m sure didn’t want to get thrown out. Cliff was a DH and a 3rd string catcher and not half the player Rice was so, what stopped him from getting to rice if he really wanted to. I think rice would have picked him up and slammed him on his head and I think cliff knew it, and like I said, I’m a Yankee fan so I rarely side with Boston. Just my opinion but I’d take rice over anybody back then
Date is May 22, 1982.
Now this was Boston Red Sox baseball! Thank you to all my childhood Red Sox heroes of that era. Legend!!!
and the Yankees owned you bahahaha
The pitch clock is great, it was a good idea it’s working. But I do miss some of this nonsense!
I miss the NO PEPPER days in Boston.
Screw the pitch clock
skipping your meds again Gramps?
I'm with you though I was born to late. The games back in the day looked so natural , I wish I was around that time 😔
.....and the ""ghost runner"" in extra innings
That's not the issue! I would ban batters from calling time-out, just so they can step out of the box to fidget!
I grew up watching Jim Rice. Most feared hitter in the game at one point. Nobody was more determined to contribute.
Rice was so intimidating, red Sox fan
What a conversation Cliff Johnson had with the umpire . Was upset but very calm while the ump was ferociously jawing at him
Upset at a clear strike. Typical...
@tmmyjay eh, the quality of footage on that strike isn’t clear enough to make a proper judgement in my opinion. The Video’s blurry and the frame rate is really choppy there. It was probably borderline. It would also help to have a side angle of the pitch to see where it crosses.
STFU! It had late break. Beautiful pitch! Rice embarrassed himself. I used to love him but this is pussy shit! Screw him!
@@ObscureBalls
Umps let a lot more go back then than they do now. There were 3-4 moments in that video where today's umps would have ejected someone immediately.
Jim Rice was pure class, my dad made his golf clubs at Spaulding (top flite) . Always had nice things to say about him, he would come in with his buddy ,catcher ,Bob Montgomery
Yankee fan here. Always liked Rice.
Jim Rice, I remember him going into the stands after hitting child in face with line drive. He was a man of great love and concern for his fellow man. Great determined ball player.
Jim Rice and Freddie Lynn to pretty good rookies
Gold Dust twins first year they were called.
If Jim Rice didn't get hurt and miss the world series, they would've won it all. They still took it to seven games even without him.
i remember watching this game. i so miss saturday afternoon basebal on nbc.
I miss it too.
A Yankee fan in my youth, I used to enjoy watching the Sox on cable at my grandparents house during the summers.
Yaz was my favorite
Dwight Evan’s handlebar stash is on point, and Jim Rice was MLB’s black panther. Always with the smoke.
Bo McLaughlin was a graduate of my high school. This game was 1982, I graduated in 1984, Amelia High School, Amelia Ohio just about 25 miles northeast of Cincinnati
The umpires were extremely patient and allowed the game to move on. Today, seven players and three fans would have been ejected.
Watching this makes me happy we have the pitch clock. It's very cool to see these old videos, I'm definitely subscribing
Thank You and Welcome!
Absolutely opposite take restraint was shown and tension built there was drama and intrigued every thing lacking when you have the clock
@paulmartinek7813 well you better get ready because this year the pitch clock is even shorter
@@tibbsmcfish3056probably why the folks over my way don't watch baseball anymore
@Robert-qm5so and yet baseball stadiums are full again and lots of new fans have started watching
McLaughlin was walking around like he was a combination of exhausted and pissed. Weird. Also: epic ‘stache on Dewey!!
I don't remember McLaughlin at all. That is the weirdest pitching form I've ever seen.
IF Im on a team...Or run a Team....I want Jim Rice
me too even if i'm on ....or running a ......dairy queen
Rice Was a Bad Ball hitter & hit into a kot of double plays - not exactly a Clutch hitter - should have Traded Rice Instead of always trying to ship Dewey Out - Yawkey was the Boib Kraft of Baseball in that Regardl
@@MichaelPetrone-ng5yxWhen should Tom Yawkey have traded Rice?
@@Gregory-sm9pf
My point was if you read my comment that they kept on talking trading Evans who was a far better outfielder and clutch hitter - Rice was neither - Evans was the best trade Boston never made -:
@@MichaelPetrone-ng5yx yes I did read your comment Mike and you said they should have traded Rice instead so I responded when should they have traded or just gotten rid of Rice
Sadly we will never see these kind of drama filled at bats again
Russ Goetz was an excellent umpire.
OutSTANDING upload. 👏👏
Sooo tired of the same ol yawners being posted. This one ya don’t see so much. 👍
The Boston crowd was electric there. Old school Boston in early 1980s.
My first year as a Red Sox fan The days of Chuck Rainey Ed Jurak Reid Nichols and Glenn Hoffman !
What memories. I remember this game, NBC game of the week. Big Cliff was ready to kick some ass.
He was MLB's version of Maurice Lucas in terms of an enforcer
Who is the commentator? He knows it was a spitter on the way the ball spin came off the bat.
Bob Costas & Sal Bando
@@ObscureBalls thanks! He’s a wealth of knowledge 👍
Mike heath has been in the most baseball fights of anyone in baseball history
I was thinking the same thing.
And yet didn’t want a go at big Jim🤣
@@dan-ws2sf Dave Winfield put his hands around his throat in May 1983
Honestly, my left ear _loved_ this classic baseball commentary.
A very young Bob Costas, no? Probably why it was especially thoughtful.
I saw rice snap a bat with a check swing
It's too bad the clarity of this video can't be enhanced a bit. It would make for a great Jomboy video.
Watching this makes me somewhat miss the days before a pitch clock. Just my thoughts.
I agree with you
Two guys I would never want to go toe to toe with . . . Jim Rice and Cliff Johnson. . . . And you could throw Don Baylor in there.
Dave Parker as well.
And Nolan Ryan.
Hell no! Wouldn’t wanna mess with Jim Ed even TODAY 😅
Larry Robinson would handle all three at once.
Correction: you can TRY to throw Don Baylor in there, but I doubt you’ll be successful.
Billy Martin and Ralph Houk, both former managers of the Yankees and Tigers. Houk was the master of rebuilding projects (interestingly he basically built the team Billy won with in NY) and it’s possible the Red Sox win in 86 in Houk doesn’t retire a couple years before. As for Billy this was his second stint with the A’s, who he briefly turned into contenders again in the early 80s, between their early 70s and late 80s runs.
I watched Ed Rice his whole 2nd season in pro ball. Couldn't miss!!!
Is Ed any relation to Jim Rice?😎😎
@@brickmn808 Ed is his real first name.
@@it1988a Really? never knew that
hated the cut of the uniforms of that era...stretchy looking 'jamies
It obvious that the pitcher is throwing a spit ball the pitcher keeps touching the inner part of his bill fold of his cap if you want to police the pitcher just check the inner part of the bill fold guilty.
Then he was making it even more obvious by wiping his forehead, the cap bill repeatedly, the pants, etc. That was hilarious.
Please use proper punctuation.
@terminat1 Nerd.
@@ObscureBalls Proper punctuation should be appreciated, not shunned.
What you are seeing is good ole fashioned Billy Ball lol
Seems like Rice was at bat for an hour😂
It’s so funny listening to these two Homer announcers tearing apart the A’s, and loving on Jim Rice! Bob Costas the RedSox lover.
Costas is a closet Yankee fan...
@arisdelis1 I feel like he’s an East Coast Fan in General, Plus Chicago.
Thankful that the pitch clock and mound visit rules were passed. 15 minute at bat by Rice was painful to watch
Davey Lopes playin infield for "A"s...that is major blast from da past.
Dave McKay
D Lopes is my all time fav ball player . 2nd baseman . Could seal 70 bases and hit 30 HR ‘s
@@ronniewoodinsteadofmt2615and that incredible mustache
East Prov.
@@jason-hy8ciI’m from West Barrington, my Father must have told me a hundred times that Davey Lopes was from EP. 😂 Also Mark Van Eagan from the Pats was from Cranston/Warwick.
How about checking the bill of his cap? Went to it twice before throwing a sinker for a ball.
This is when baseball meant something….no timer, no replays. Umps weren’t soft and there’s was an actual strategy for both pitcher and batter. The game has definitely changed!
Making the he game a little faster was 30 years overdue.✌️
Martin was always a big trouble maker, and Rice was just a hard ass
Now they check the pitchers every inning
Was Sal Bando retired in 82'
Yes, he announced his retirement in Spring Training of ‘81 that the coming season would be his last. He Hit .200 in 32 Games.
How many times did the ump check the ball? There was never any "foreign substance" found on it.
This is during the period where Billy had a bunch of good young pitchers but overused them and basically severely shortened their careers.
I feel like anyone other than Rice there would have got a fastball in the ribs after that delay.
68 years old remember going to games with dad that impossible dream year still Remember starting line up 2:32
This is when baseball mattered.
Sal Bando was right about the Tigers and A's, they definitely had some brawls in the 60's and 70's. Bill Freehan mentioned it in his book, that John Blue Moon Odom was always trying to cheap shot someone in those brawls.
Bob Costas and Sal Bando with the call on NBC.
I hate Costas. An effete poser who could never play a single sport.
Thank you…I was looking for this comment
Totally unrelated to the subject, but I notices the A's are wearing dark shoes. I never knew there was a time where they didn't wear the white shoes, as they had worn them from the time I started following baseball in 1970.
You'd be damned to anger Louisville Slugger carrying Hall of Famer Jim Rice,
he wasn't exactly the most warm-hearted players, seen him knock down umpire Les Pratt.
No doubt the Triple A's were up to their usual shady garbage. Can you imagine how fast Cliff Johnson would have gotten run in today's game for getting in Russ Goetz's face like that?
What's in the water at Fenway that day?
have you ever been to fenway ? " what's in the water " is a question you don't really want the answer to.
no pepper
A Fred the chicken Stanley sighting...
Not “alleged” 😂They do! 😂
Is that Bob costas?
Yessir
Thought that was Dutch behind the plate. Surprised he he didn’t take one in the ear after asking ump to check ball
Mom Rice would have kicked Healths ass
The good old days
That was a bunch of nothing.
Oh those were the days.
In late 70's i remember skipping school and going with my older bothers i think 3 dollars bleacher seats. Nobody else was in bleachers. lol Lynn hits triple to triangle and get home later and see us on highlights wbz sports jumping up and down in bleachers.
Rice was a notoriously difficult personality to deal with during his playing days with the media, a lot of teammates and the fans.
Crazy to see how he’s been the past 10 plus years as a Sox analyst on pre and post game shows.
Always smiling, jovial and laughing like everyone’s favorite uncle now 9:41 with the other guys behind the desk.
You don’t see someone have such a disparate character turnaround that the people actually buy and are able to get away with it.
He was a tough guy to figure out, your right about what your saying about his relationship with the media and the fans, in 1986 when Dave Henderson had two strikes on him during that historic comeback the Red Sox had on the Angel's and Henderson hitting that homerun forever in the minds of Sox fans, Don Baylor said Rice left the dugout headed down the runway to the locker room unbuttoning his Red Sox jersey, obviously he had thought the game was over and was hitting the showers, this infuriated Baylor who later said he wanted to go up to Rice and fight him for doing that and after Henderson hit that home run and it shows the Sox dugout erupting into cheers and excitement, Rice is nowhere to be found, then when you see Henderson in the dugout and being congratulated in the dugout you now see Rice and he's just finishing up having tucked in his shirt and adjusting his beltline, don't know if he was watching the game in the clubhouse as he was getting out of his uniform or someone went in and told him about Henderson hitting that home run so Rice had to start putting back on his uniform to rejoin his teammates which is why you don't see him in the dugout when Henderson hit that historic home run, that's bullshit on Rice leaving the team like that, especially since I believe he was the captain at the time
@Gregory-sm9pf You said the same thing 3x's.
@@jason-hy8ci LoL! I did mention Hendersons home run too many fucking times, LoL! It's a true story, what do you think about Rice doing that?
Didn’t Jim Rice snap his bat in half on a check swing? That was one powerful man. I am afraid that he might have folded Heath in half and stuffed him in his back pocket if things got out of hand.
Who was the color commentator?
Bob Costas & Sal Bando on the call.
Boston Is A Bunch Of Hot Heads!
Cliff was normally so mild-mannered. He was ornery on this day.
Goose Gossage would disagree, Johnson put Goose on the disabled list and they were teammates.
@@Gary2940 : i remember that!
With today’s umpires, Cliff Johnson would have been tossed real quick if he had jawed like that.
My father a red Sox fan loved jimmy r
Jim was my guy.
What's up with that stash Dewey?
My God that was painful to watch...that pitcher was annoying AF in how looooooong he took between pitches and he sucked. Nobody fucks with Jim Ed.
What were the postgame explanations from Rice and Heath?
I'm guessing that when Heath was walking to the mound he told Rice to shut the f#$k up, or to f$@k off. The wrong things to say to Mr. Rice. I'm amazed that Rice for the most part kept his composure. Considering that Heath was obviously trying to trigger him.
@@deanladue5367Heath not backing down
Rice being Rice, haha, what else? He was a giant redass
@@acgarner3107Rice would beat Heath like he stole something
Johnson should have been tossed after that first pitch they showed us.
Is there no sound to this?
Where's the fight?
Who said fight?
Those were the days
TIL Goetz was one of the last 5 umpires to wear the outside chest protector when he retired. Pretty neat!
Both managers coached Detroit
Everybody probably knew that
Yankees as well
Don’t think that pitcher would’ve lasted long in today’s league having to molest the ball for 30 seconds before every pitch.
7 to 4 red sox won
my draft expectation are low; I just hope brad holmes and Rod Wood work on there high fives this draft, last year it was horrible
Ivory soap on the pants..nice 😊
Bucky f-in DENT😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Now they’d be on the stupid time clock. No time to argue.
Bob Costas. Son of a gun. He was excellent.
The real star here was the ump. He wasn’t about to take any guff from anyone.
So what was the final score?
Respectfully, I don’t want to be the one to spoil it, the date was May 22, 1982 if You want to look up the boxscore.
Wow, I forgot how baseball was even slooooower back in the day.
Actually it wasn't, growing up an Orioles fan, Scott McGregor would pitch a compete game 90 pitches in 2 hours.
Games in the 70's used to routinely finish in 2 and a half hours. With fast workers like Jim Kaat on the mound, two hours. If a game went over 4 hours back then, it was because it went 16 innings.
Early Bob Costas
Sox won, 7-4! And swept that series 3-0!
Wait so gamesmanship existed in baseball prior to Jose canseco? Every single speculated steroid user belongs in the HOF because of this, exhibit a.