Solid State Logic Origin Console Bus Comp v.s. SSL 500 Sereis G Bus Comp
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- Опубликовано: 28 авг 2024
- In this video, we compare the sound of the SSL Origin console bus compressor to the 500 series counterpart.
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All players were all winners. Great video, and thanks Daves!
Glad you enjoyed it
Love what your doing with these videos you sir are 🔥
There was a slight difference, but.. again so minor, agree with both your comments
Much appreciated
Watching this video while I wire up my new DIYRE G Bus comp to the patch bay. They were meticulous in recreating the original SSL circuit with a couple additional mods available. There's just no beating that sound and it seems like SSL didn't compromise on the 500 series version
Congrats on the new gear
wow, ok ! I'm totally surprised by the Wes Dione here.
I'm basically in agreement with what you guys heard (also heard the Dione was a touch louder at first).
To me, 500 series had a touch more snap on the drums, but the Origin was a touch richer or had more hi-mids which might be why it sounds like it has a fuller wider centre image. But other than that it's right on the money. It does the ssl bus thing. Totally useable.
Wes Dione now, nailed the sound, everything is there. To me it is just a little less smooth than the Origin frequency wise, Origin smooths everything out with it's glue, nothing abrasive. You guys referred to it as classic vs modern, which is right, but i just love the way SSL wraps everything up in that smooth yet defined professional finish.
Which reminds me, it's crazy but it's almost as if the SSL bus comp quantizes the audio ! The rhythm becomes locked to a grid, i suppose that effect could be due to how well it levels it all out and the envelope. The 500 series did that, i feel the Wes Dione a little bit less.
But as you guys said, all totally useable with good results.
Another great vid, cheers guys !
Thanks for watching!
Damn the Origin sounds so good.
It does!!
500 series version is a G series bus comp the console i think is more on the 9k side. my bus+ sounds more like your console. great video guyz
According to SSL they are the same version.
@@MixingMusicAnalog yea your right its the same. i wonder if its the voltage. they do still sound really similar
I heard the Origen sounding more like a record and the 500 things were stinking out more, even a little louder and separated. I liked the console sound more! It sounds more like a finessed track. Also the console has more that compression grab and glue effect! All day the console
Thanks for watching!
I think the High Pass filter slope is slightly different on the 500 series but not enough to matter. It subtle and in a full mix both are perfectly fine. It could also be the voltage & power differences between the 500 series and the desk. But SSL have always been good about making consistent gear. Before SSL came along you had companies like MCI, Neve and Harrison all building consoles and gear that would vary quiet a bit. But along comes SSL with ICs and VCAs and builds consoles, with dynamics, and EQ. A 4000 E or G used in a session in Nashville could be recalled on any New York or London SSL desk of the same flavor. This wasn't always the case for other companies. Thats why even Neve, ATI, and others started moving toward consistent parts supply.
Thanks for watching!
Hi guys. What a great comparison 👍
Thanks for watching
They're close, but there are differences. In my opinion between the two SSL's, the console sounds a bit snappier, and arguably the timing / curve on the release is slightly favored for me on the console...it's subjective though. I own two racks of WesAudio kit, and Dave, your assessment of the Dione is basically spot on. The Wesauduio sound tends to lean more modern than classic. Fully enjoy both of your perspectives.
Thanks for checking out the video
They all sound great. The Dion seems to add a touch in the mid to high frequency. Kinda makes the vocals slightly nasaly.
The recall ability is sure tempting though
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I use the hardware Bettermaker Bus Comp. Same as Dione digitally controlled. Sounds great.
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Is there an inline preamp in the console the signal runs through before it gets to the bus compressor? The 500 series compressor and the console compressor sound like the same compressor but there IS a difference and to me it sounds like a preamp. (I think) Consoles have active summing which means there is a preamp dedicated to taking the summed signal, which is quiet, and bringing it back up to appropriate loudness. If the Origin doesn't have a way to access the bus compressor directly, bypassing any preamps, it would seem logical that this preamp would be in the signal.
I think you are "over-thinking" it...LOL. The signal is running the same path before it hits each compressor.
Dave, I noticed when you switch between the track you tend to do it during part of a song transition or down beat. Would it not be better to do the switching during the middle of a phrase or unrhythmically with the song where you could actually hear if there is a difference, if there was one? another words not switching channels as channel switching is part of the song. I hope I did not sound offensive. If I did, it is not my intention. I am only trying to help. I love your videos and your channel. Maybe I am completely wrong. Please advise.
Don't over think it. :)
I'd love a comparaison video between this SSL Origin Bus comp and Audioscape Buss Comp !☺😉
Not going to happen, sorry. Cant get the AS bus comp.
@@MixingMusicAnalog Oh that's too bad... 😢
To me, the SSL compressors sounded identical. The WES had some kind of coloring, that I can’t fully pinpoint.
I‘d buy the SSL 500 series module, if I were in the market right now.
Great! Thanks!
One thing I’ve noticed is that between hardware variants and plug-ins it’s tonal at this point. Almost something any eq could handle or different compressor.
I would agree
If you listen to the kick, there's a difference in the low end. 500< Origin< Dione . Would use the Dione on my drumbus and the Origin on 2bus, Origin glues more.
Thanks for watching!
Would love to hear a comparison of the SSL and Analog Obsession BusterSe,it's a free plugin but sounds good but not sure how it compares....keep the videos coming
Noted!
@@MixingMusicAnalog thanks!! You're the best!
I feel the SSL Comp from the Origin has a little bit more size. Cheers!
Thanks for watching!
🙂👍
Thanks!
Honestly I thought the difference was a bit bigger than you all thought. Console sounded bigger, wider, more depth. Especially with bass and kick. But both were great.
Everyone hears things a little differently and itsa ll good!
@@MixingMusicAnalog I agree! Thanks for your videos.
Between the SSL comps i heard the snare a bit different as well, in my opinion the desk compressor focused the snare to the middle a hair more. If it wasnt something i normally listen for i wouldnt have noticed. The Dione to me i heard what Dave was hearing that its more open, its more noticeable in the beginning with just drums and the snare top end and tail. With the thd circuit engaged i could hear it in the hihat and snare, sounded like it softened the transient just a bit and it sizzles the hats a bit more, i didnt prefer it on this track. In terms of the dione, it actually reminds me of the SSL bus+, with and without the distortion engaged, respectively. The dione and bus+ would be an interesting comparison even though they are not feature matched.
Thanks for watching!
I feel like there's slightly more weight on the Origin but it's very subtle.
Great! thanks
Is the 500 basically the same as the bus comp in the SSLSIX?
No, the SSL SIx is a stipped down version on this compressor
I like the tone/soundscape detail of the 500 (especially the vocals) but the console does have a snap. Listening on an iPhone 13 maxx. Volume is one notch below max volume. Dione : didn’t like the tone of the vocals compared to the ssl . This narrows and squeezes the soundscape. Something in the 500-1000 hz range is rattling this iPhone in an unpleasing way. This doesn’t happen on the ssl. Especially the 500. The THD kindve fixes the tone and makes tone wise to ssl, but at a loss of detail.
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Good to know , thanks,,, can you guys do it vs the original ssl plugin v2? I like in this example the 500series original how it hugs the snare , sounded really nice , like we say , like a record ;)
Dont have that plugin sorry
@@MixingMusicAnalog I have that plugin - send me a song and pictures of the settings and I'll bounce it and send it back :)
The 500 series module might have to run on different voltage to the original.
Maybe so, not sure
Is this the SSL 500 V3? ... Or the v2
The latest version
500 series sounded more open to more. even more bass to it to me
Thanks for watching!
Ok, thanks!
IGS buss comp and Smart blow them all away. I have owned them all. I will take IGS and smart over SSL any day. SSL with 500 series hardware are basically all integrated circuits. Integrated circuits = just slightly better than plug in. You got to buy the brands that hare hand built vintage style if you want real analog sound. Old school circuits.
Ok, thanks for watching!