Can this Leafs group find the way to move forward? | OverDrive - Hour 2 - 05/06/2024
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- Опубликовано: 5 май 2024
- Bryan Hayes, Jeff O’Neill and Jamie McLennan are joined by ESPN Hockey analyst and host of the Ray and Dregs podcast Ray Ferraro to discuss the Maple Leafs exit from the playoffs, Joseph Woll’s surprising scratch ahead of Game 7, the next steps for this organization, Mitch Marner’s future with the Maple Leafs, three moves he’d do to improve the Maple Leafs this off-season and more. They also get into the Blue Jays struggle against the Washington Nationals, the return of Alek Manoah to the Blue Jays rotation, the fear of possibly dealing Manoah and Mitch Marner and them succeeding elsewhere and more.
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You may not "win" a trade in terms of value in return for dealing Marner, but trading Marner and clearing $11M in cap space is the win in a trade for the Leafs.
And I'm sure you'll still get a nice piece or two even if the return package won't meet Marner's value.
"Leafs won't want 3 first round picks over the next 7 years"
Is he stupid? What do the Leafs use every trade deadline to bolster the roster? 1st round picks. Assets are assets and freeing up 11M gives you more creativity in future trades/signings.
They are trading for a goalie!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
When Ray said Korchinski wouldn't move the needle I actually scoffed lol. I would take a pilot course and fly Marner to Chicago myself.
Trade Marner then get him back after a year on a cheaper deal let’s see how much he wants to play in TO I do think he is still a good player I mean around a 100 point player and scored that great goal in the playoffs I think he picked up an injury they never say when they injured till way after all the dusts settles! Yeh when are the Leafs gonna get a Dman who blasts shots from the Blueline hey Avs we swap JT for Makar 😜🤪
These experts analysis aged like milk.
Yep. Odog just lost 5k
Jeff how's the 5 grand. You better pay Hayes
If they were real experts they would be working for organizations not reinforce the opinions of Johnny in Woodbridge.
More proof that people shouldn't waste time taking anything of these clowns seriously. There are a legion of Leaf fans who think Marner is the problem because these clowns say he is
@@AnaerobicFermentationmarner is a regular season player, he doesn’t finish checks, he cheats on plays, he needs to get bigger and tougher. All bark no bite, all skill but gets run over easy
Tavares is only 33. Not sure why TO media and fans treat him like he’s about to be 40. That’s giving him a pass imo. Brad Marchand for example is 36 (in a few days). Most of the elite players in the league (Tavares salary comparables) that are 33 and over are still highly productive.
Crosby, Stamkos, Marchand are among just a few. Could it be possible that boy wonder Dubas, along with many TO fans and media, overvalued him from the start? Especially whether his style of play was what TO needed for playoff runs? It’s not like he had a deep playoff run on his resume when he came to TO.
Tavares has always been an excellent PPG, soft highly skilled player offensively, lacking defensively, lacking speed, lacks playoff type grit and toughness and maybe assistant captain material, but not much evidence he’s that inspirational, will imposing, tenacious leader that’s needed as a captain for teams that are successful in the playoffs.
While Matthews is clearly their best player and arguably the best active goal scorer in the world right now, I don’t see him as that type of leader either. May grow into an “A” role as time goes on.
Marner? Lol. No clue why he has an “A”. Who is he leading? Kid is the last player on that roster that deserves an “A”.
Nylander? May grow into an “A” type of leader.
Morgan Reilly. Yes,….Morgan Reilly. He by far the most suited to be captain. The only one who has consistently showed leadership qualities. Took a hometown discount too. Longest tenured. High enough on the depth chart in terms of best overall players on the team to have it not be awkward. He’s their #1 dman and has been for years. TO drafted and developed. Never played for another organization. Not arguing that he’ll be the next Steve Yzerman of captains, but for me, Reilly is the clear #1 player that has come closest to earning the “C”.
JT has significantly slowed down (maybe the Perry knee to head starting to show) but only 2 of the 7 years hes signed were worth 11M
I thought your note was right on. He's not an $11M player anymore and might never have been, but he is still productive ... pretty consistently a PPG player, last year put up 65 points. Thats still a lot of points! I don't get why everyone wants to just flush him. My first move would be to try to extend him for 3-4 years at $3-4M per. He and Rielly swap the "C" for the "A". He's respected and is the most media savvy of all the core players. If you trade him, you'll have to cough up assets, eat up to 50% of the salary, and then have to find a way to replace the 65 pts he put up. Extending him would provide $7-8M the season after next in cap to add two good or one elite player to the mix. With all the roster and chemistry issues the leafs have, they're not going to optimize their roster this off season. Its going to take more time and this will add to their discretionary cap when they need it.
Reilly just choked in the playoffs & you want to give him the C 🤨 Reilly should be traded & here's why he's been here 10 yrs that is 10 yrs of losing he needs a fresh start elsewhere.
You can't have players on your team that have been losers for 10 seasons consecutively losing breeds others losers.
Rare now that have nobody who is deserving to wear that C.
"Boston's got two guys that can score a goal" *win 5-1 where neither of them do anything*
Signing Tavares for $11 million when they needed defensemen and giving Matthews/Marner/Nylander so much money before proving anything is what set the Maple Leafs down their current path. Too many big-time salary mistakes, and this is death in a salary-cap league.
Hear, hear!!
*smiles in Islanders*
Ive never seen a team with players like they have that go through so many first round losses. Its time for change. If they had any foresight 3-4 years ago, they wouldve made those changes (because it was a problem then) instead lost critical depth thatve gone on to do special things.
The Leafs have one 2nd pairing D (Reilly) and five 3rd pairing D. Way to much focus on top six forwards.
Wouldn't it be awesome if Marner came to the Leafs and said I'll sign a 2 year deal at $6.5M per
He won’t. He’s going to want to get paid!
@@davidford3968 He'll be lucky to get 7 million when (if) he goes to free agency.
Marner thing reminds me so much of Larry Murphy, he'll probably go 2 good team and win cup...
Ray Ferraro - best analyst in hockey! Love listening to him.
This year was less dramatic. Think fans just come to expect it now
How’d that bruins panthers prediction age ?
Like milk baby let’s go bruins !!!!!
Enough of this Woll sh...it, they crowned him the next Roy, Brodeur, Hasek..after 2 games played, they predict Woll would of stopped the shots Samsonov made, and vice versa...BRUTAL.
No, just the freeemdom of the salary will be enough reward to getting one of these unmovable guys out so you can sign 2 two way players.
With all the drama in this leafs first round playoffs was like a soap opera didnt know weather i was coming or going so confusing
Easy money for Hayes
Love Ray... what a legend 😎
Wow, O-Dog with a take so cold, you need to wear gloves to handle it 😂
dry ice. I’m not letting him off the hook for that one lmao
Rick? Where you at?
Kampf 3 more years @$2.4 Mil - how did that ever happen?? Last 2 playoffs 18 games 4 pts and a net -3. Sounds like a career journeyman - Leafs way overvalue their guys obviously.
3:25 that aged badly. Boston won 5-1
I would hope they keep Matthews, Nylander, Domi, Bertuzzi, Lybushkin, Edmundson, McCabe, Knies, Robertson, Woll...trade the rest for players who WORK !!!!!!!!!!
Johnny works, he's just older and his playstyle isn't effective anymore
Matthews is no worker. He only cares about personal goals. Those goals don't include the TEAM.
Bruins just beat Panthers 5 to 1 the leafs are not as bad as you think
The Leafs aren't in the second round for the seventh time in 8 postseasons, so they are as bad as we think.
Ray Ferraro is a highly intelligent hockey man he has insights up close bc he is ice level he sees how much effort they show rate up close & him being a former player he played with lots of heart so i take lots of stock into his points of view.
I agree with Hayes that the team is so defiant that the core 4 will win & they've let that cloud the judgement of the rest of the roster.
Shanascam & Kyle Dufas 🤓 have ruined the franchise for 10 years now!!
At what point does Pelley or the board step in oh wait they are too stupid to do anything why... bc the fans/fools continue to fill the arena buy lots of merch etc etc.
In order for serious change to happen you must hit them where it hurts the most the fans/fools ST🛑P going to games! ST🛑P buying merch!
The problem is this will never happen hence why the board does Jack 💩 & Shanascam is aloud to keep running it back which = INSANITY 🙄
If you don't want the snake to keep biting you how do you fix the issue you cut the head off the snake 🐍 which the head is Shanascam & his core 4 stupid plan.
Until he is FIRED they will keep being in DENIAL about the core 4.
I've never seen a hockey ops present as clueless as Shanascam.
Oh how i miss Lou Lamarillo or anyone better than Shanascam.
Can this Leafs group find the light switch in a darkroom? They do! (reread the Q carefully)
Topical leafs media, let’s turn a compliment marner gave to the Toronto fans saying how well hockey players get treated and looked at in Toronto. Obviously because hockey is so popular in Ontario and so many kids have dreams of going to the show.
But let’s reach for something else and bash him for being egotistical because they have nothing else to talk about.
5 percent PP. Two 11 million dollar players missed half the series due to injuries. The other two making 11 million played but might as well have been healthy scratches because they provided little offense. It was a wonder the Leafs took Boston to 7. Credit the D, and Woll. But this is a deeply flawed team, they are closer to missing the playoffs than winning a Stanley Cup.
Samsanov bagged a win too. Doesn't go to game 7 without that win.
@@ozzydo2314you're right. This isn't on the goalies or the defense. This is and always is big stars coming up far to short when it counts and their depth as much as I love some of their grabs didn't cut it.
@@user-fc2tj8lf2mSamsanov let up 2 terrible goals in game 7
@@zalapski9399 He allowed 1 goal in regulation. For a team with 3, soon to be 4 offensive-minded forwards making over $10M, why can't they score? This team is supposed to be an offensive juggernaut and the goalie has given them a chance to win by allowing just one goal. Where's the scoring?
I love how the media makes it seem like the Leafs are the biggest dumpster fire in the league. Keep it coming
Imagine the Leafs having the core 4 on the power play but still fail. That’s a dumpster fire 🔥
I mean, so far they are. Even the Coyotes aren’t as much of a dumpster fire, and they had to move to Utah! Toronto has $18m in cap space to sign a line of forwards, a reliable goalie, and a d-pair, have only 3 picks in the first three rounds for the next 3 years, and will be unlikely to get $10.9m in value back for Marner when they trade him away.
I’m not sure who else is in that rough a boat right now.
I'm sure Chicago would put Marner on a wing with Bedard.... you're not getting anything much back though.
lmao that if I was in the box and say that slider my eyes would’ve LIT up
Odog is gonna lose 5k
The leaves will have to eat 70%of his one remaining year or just keep him,because nobody will pay that much for what he truly gives of himself.
No sign of intelligence from any of those tv reporters. Marner isn’t going anywhere next year, he’ll finish his contract and become a UFA, no team in the league will do Toronto a favor. You’re stuck with him for another year, deal with it
If u dont believe that the core 5 are a problem you dont watch enough hockey not good enough.
Here we go again... 5-1 game 1 win over florida
I think Manoah wants out, he's just smiling out there. He doesn't give a fuck.
Thought he could handle the bright lights but he was wrong. He will prob do better in a lighter media environment
Why 45 minutes long? It only takes one word NO NO NO
As long as Shanascam is president the Maple Laughs are cursed!!
They can hire a new coach etc etc but as long as Shanascam is here his stubbornness to refuse that the core 4 has failed he will deny it.
Shanascam is one of the worst hockey ops presidents that I've ever seen.
Between Shanascam & Kyle Dufas they've set this team back for over 10 years now & if they would have kept Lamarillo in charge the outcome may have been way better at least the team wouldn't have all these no move clauses...
Shanascam & Kyle Dufas 🤓 have ruined this roster all they do is keep putting a 🩹 on a corpse that's rotting full of entitled brat boys!!
Kryder and kempe are gonna be a handful for the hurricanes rangers in 7.
Show didn't age well for O Dog, Bruins ran it up on the Panthers 5-1 . Think hes out some Cash !!! Love you Jeff !
Marner nor Tavares is offering a list of 1.
Theyre gonna have to run it back. Theyre hanecuffed. Theyre just gonna grab a so so goalie for cheap and hope Woll can stay healthy. The top 4 D men are already on the roster.
Same same. Just accept. One more year of failure in the playoffs is in the cards before this team can finally be demolished.
Let Marner sit in the press box during his UFA year if he doesn't provide a list of teams
Fatdog: Boston's got 2 guys that can score a goal. Love listening to Leaf experts.
I wonder, if they're going to do a package deal like:
Keller, Vejmelka, depth player, and some kind of pick for Marner?
Laughing cuz I knew Boston would beat flordia game 1
Lol einhorn is finkle…
So when in the past 4 years has anyone thought Marner was tough and a standout player in the playoffs?? Why the fk is anyone shocked at his play or any of the leafs players play. 88 is the only one who shows up in the playoffs. Wake up
no one is surprised, just unhappy
rich and complacent worrying about bitcoin and Muskoka
LOL 5-1 BRUINS 😂😂
Bruins win 5 to 1 lol
Trade Marner to UTAH ! fk em
PLD would be perfect on the leafs. They are both overrated and Charmin in the clutch!
The charmin joke and the odonkey joke in the same hour. You're a clown.
Absolutely not. We need to hire like Gary Roberts to get these kids in playoff shape. Dont even know if Robbie coaches
Odog knows Gary
Ehlers and Brossant for Marner. Goalie, good forward plus cap space
Brossoit is a UFA.
It needs to be said about Tavares the first year of his contract he got 47 goals and 88 pts putting a target on his back. Players were taking runs at him he got hit harder than any other Leaf and then we had the Cory Perry hit to the head where we didnt know if he would play hockey again. So at now 33 he looks like he's 38 the numbers all drop after the first year and the foot speed never his strength has diminished I believe it's a result of the amount of hits he's taken playing for the Leafs.
I find it hard to believe you can support captain anchor. JT came to Toronto wanting to be the man but never was. He should be at minimum stripped of his captaincy and max, bonus payed July 1 and shipped out of town for the cap relief. 6 straight years with JT at the helm and the Leaf's have done NOTHING.
Rayzer with a cold take for the ages. I would trade Marner for Korchinksi in a heartbeat.
There was only two, real major issues that the Leafs encountered.. 1. Our Lack of Team defense was an issue in the first two games vs Bruins.. (that is a coaching issue) he has not been able to get this team to play proper defense the entire time he has been here.. That difference, could have gotten us one or two more games before our back was to the wall.. This is a FACT...... 2, Our Powerplay.. Not adjusting our powerplay to an entirely new zone entry and attack is again ( COACHING )... This team should have raced to the blue line with speed and chased a dump in,,,, then force point shots while crashing the net... They failed to adjust and we missed out on maybe, 15 more goals which would have ended this series... In Everything other area, the Leafs matched or exceeded Bruins play... How do we know this --we went to game Seven OT...
Manger jobin coach safe president savor beer joint 🎉
Noodles u should of took that bet 5G Odog way off the mark noodles was right Swayman & maybe rust got them dummied like Leafs in G1 I hope Noodles calls Odog out on next Overdrive 🤔😏Ps luv the show greetings from UK 🇬🇧
They never could find a way to win come playoffs
Patrick laine and a defensmen from Columbus for mitch marner
I may not be smart to start with but when I listen to the odonkey I get dumber by the minute. He thinks he is a pro analyst... he is one bad take after another.. daily
Can Larry and curly be the same without Moe? 😝
Other teams have invested the captaincy for Crosby, McDavid, Ovechkin ect. ect. early in their careers. The leafs organization did not, have not & may never invest in Matthews the same value.
Instead Tavares is shuttled into this central role & Matthews is his assistant for ever until Tavares is out or steps aside. Toronto is fortunate that Matthews is still only 26 years young!
So award him the C which should have happened soon after the lottery draft. Shanahan & Leafs management never fully committed to Matthews as a sure investment & franchise player.
The. Defence. Was. Not. The. Problem. The goal scoring was. Geez.
Marner got roasted but PLD took the piss I think Marner tried at least plus I think he was not 100% fit unlike PLD!
Kane talking about going back to the hawks and then they get Marner... how about that line!! Marner Bedard Kane
Life long hawks fan here!! I can dream right?!! Lol
The leafs decided to fall asleep at the worst time with pasta flying behind everyone.
And a team that is used to playing with a solid defensive structure would never let that play happen in OT of a Game 7.
It was still a great pass off the boards u cud do that twenty times and it doesn’t end up on Pastas skate they had played well defensively till then that first goal can’t go in by Sammy I 95% believe if Woll wasn’t hurt he saves that! Leafs remember aren’t a terrible team if they was they would be losing in 4 not 7 games every playoffs only time they didn’t was Caps and BJs series 😏