I wish the US had more passenger trains. When I was a kid, I rode The Humming Bird several times, which was the L & N (Louisville and Nashville) Railroad train that ran from Chicago to New Orleans. But, the romance of the era of the car began (See the USA in your Chevrolet, etc) and passenger trains started dying out. Now, I sing City of New Orleans (Arlo Guthrie) to myself and remember a time gone by. : )
There is a similar situation in Sweden. It's getting to the point where it's getting far less effective than back when it was state run. I can no longer take the train if I expect to get somewhere on time.
@DLandonCole My apologies for that faux-pas; it's easy to confuse "privatisation" and "regulation" sometimes - the results are spookily similar in many respects...
well, judging from the story, what government should have done was to make ALL the railway companies "open", as in the case of the late train company you mentioned: no subsidies, no bailout, nada. it is a LOT cheaper then on govt. they also should also have it so that they can own both the carts AND the railway.
I love how rail companies try to establish a brand. Like ScotRail's logo is so good, I'm going to take a trip to Glasgow just for the hell of it. Re-nationalize the railroads already.
@DLandonCole Mine is reliably slow, and yes, monstrously expensive. Thankfully, since I don't work in New York any longer, I only need to use it on rare occasions. Which is good because it's gotten much, much worse since those days. (It was already approaching ten times the price of a rail commute of only a slightly shorter distance from Incheon to Seoul, where I had lived before my New York days, and has increased by about 70% since.) And yes, there's always room for things to get worse. :(
I've never heard of any of this before. You have my sympathies--What a despicable state of affairs. And here I thought my own NJTransit was a mismanaged clusterfuck. I was right, though I can see now how much worse it can be (though my own hardships are bad enough.)
This is one of the things that highlights the error in putting Public Services into Private hands. Other than closures such as this, the results are higher prices & lower standards of service. In addition to Public Transport (incl. busses), also 'failing' as a result of these factors are: Banking (ie Bank of England) Health Services (ie NHS) Other 'vital' services (Gas, electricity, water, etc) @MRaverz - ostensibly to save (public) money, improve services & keep prices low - none of which has.
Government runs things for the good of the people, companies run things for the good of their wallets. I don't deny that competition between companies can in some instances lead to innovation, and i think every decision between privatisation/nationalisation should be undertook on individual manner, but in the case of trains it is blindingly obvious nationalisation is the right thing to do. You could also argue that it is a case of environmental protection, as people using trains rather than cars
I'm all too familiar with split between infrastructure and rolling stock, as that is the current situation in the Netherlands. ProRail owns the tracks and NS (Nederlandse Spoorwegen = Dutch Railways) runs the trains. This has led to much finger-pointing because of the heavy snows in december: who was actually responsible for the fact that the trains could not ride because the switches were frozen solid? The solution seems obvious, like in the UK: state-owned railways. Like it used to be.
@Albukhshi I'm in seattle. I wouldn't want to suggest there is no such thing as a "train". I'm just suggesting what this youtuber is offering as a "train" is nonexistent to "train" in our area.
@unclexbob why are you asking that again? you are from the US, you ought to know what it is. we got thousands of miles of tracks for them, and I hear a few crossing the Fort Collins one every day. do you live in Ohio? if so, a train track should be easy to find. and you are bound to find a train on those.
If it gives any comfort to you, in Germany we're fighting against the privatisation of the Deutsche Bahn. Apparently you can learn from other peoples' mistake, so that leads me to the conclusion that what you got in Britain is really what our governments care about: highly subsidised profits.
The franchising system is the worst of both worlds. The government dictates to the franchise operators what trains they can and can't run, so there can be no response to customer demand, while the TOCs sit back and suck up the profits, without investing anything back into the railways.
When it comes to conservatives and words like "free market", "privatisation" and "competition", I've never figured out whether they simply do not understand the blindingly obvious (If you have to pay shareholders and there's no real competition anyway, it's going to cost more), or whether they're just hoping enough of the general public fails to understand the blindingly obvious that they can invest in the train companies and deliberately screw everyone else over.
Sorry to interject a dystopic viewpoint but this is the future, private ultracorporations owning for profit markets with full government subsidization in exchange for campaign contributions, and all dissent crushed as at least in the US here the corporations are afforded full unimpeachable civil rights while the populus are merely wage slave chattle.
@DLandonCole perhaps, though I do not think that this is the only solution with the same effect. either way, at least we can all agree that the current system in the UK is bullshit.
Why is PUBLIC transport owned by PRIVATE companies? It's nonsense. Public transport should be government run, paid for by taxation and that's the end of it....
I wish the US had more passenger trains. When I was a kid, I rode The Humming Bird several times, which was the L & N (Louisville and Nashville) Railroad train that ran from Chicago to New Orleans. But, the romance of the era of the car began (See the USA in your Chevrolet, etc) and passenger trains started dying out. Now, I sing City of New Orleans (Arlo Guthrie) to myself and remember a time gone by. : )
Loving the new video layout! Keep up the great work!
@unclexbob
oh, if you meant that, then we largely agree.
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There is a similar situation in Sweden. It's getting to the point where it's getting far less effective than back when it was state run.
I can no longer take the train if I expect to get somewhere on time.
@DLandonCole
My apologies for that faux-pas; it's easy to confuse "privatisation" and "regulation" sometimes - the results are spookily similar in many respects...
well, judging from the story, what government should have done was to make ALL the railway companies "open", as in the case of the late train company you mentioned: no subsidies, no bailout, nada. it is a LOT cheaper then on govt.
they also should also have it so that they can own both the carts AND the railway.
@DLandonCole You can see it when you stretch out your arm towards the right your hand goes behind it, looks a little weird :D
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I love how rail companies try to establish a brand. Like ScotRail's logo is so good, I'm going to take a trip to Glasgow just for the hell of it.
Re-nationalize the railroads already.
@DLandonCole Mine is reliably slow, and yes, monstrously expensive. Thankfully, since I don't work in New York any longer, I only need to use it on rare occasions. Which is good because it's gotten much, much worse since those days. (It was already approaching ten times the price of a rail commute of only a slightly shorter distance from Incheon to Seoul, where I had lived before my New York days, and has increased by about 70% since.)
And yes, there's always room for things to get worse. :(
I've never heard of any of this before. You have my sympathies--What a despicable state of affairs. And here I thought my own NJTransit was a mismanaged clusterfuck. I was right, though I can see now how much worse it can be (though my own hardships are bad enough.)
This is one of the things that highlights the error in putting Public Services into Private hands. Other than closures such as this, the results are higher prices & lower standards of service.
In addition to Public Transport (incl. busses), also 'failing' as a result of these factors are:
Banking (ie Bank of England)
Health Services (ie NHS)
Other 'vital' services (Gas, electricity, water, etc)
@MRaverz - ostensibly to save (public) money, improve services & keep prices low - none of which has.
Hear, hear. And while were at it, can we have the airports, the water supply, the telecomms, the power and can we keep the postal service too?
Government runs things for the good of the people, companies run things for the good of their wallets. I don't deny that competition between companies can in some instances lead to innovation, and i think every decision between privatisation/nationalisation should be undertook on individual manner, but in the case of trains it is blindingly obvious nationalisation is the right thing to do. You could also argue that it is a case of environmental protection, as people using trains rather than cars
@wrongfire I live next to the industrial area, so I often get blocked, have to double back when the trains are working. Super annoying.
whats the black square in the bottom right for? most know about the square.
I'm all too familiar with split between infrastructure and rolling stock, as that is the current situation in the Netherlands. ProRail owns the tracks and NS (Nederlandse Spoorwegen = Dutch Railways) runs the trains. This has led to much finger-pointing because of the heavy snows in december: who was actually responsible for the fact that the trains could not ride because the switches were frozen solid?
The solution seems obvious, like in the UK: state-owned railways. Like it used to be.
@Albukhshi I'm in seattle. I wouldn't want to suggest there is no such thing as a "train". I'm just suggesting what this youtuber is offering as a "train" is nonexistent to "train" in our area.
Are there requirements and/or rules for what buisnesses can be subsidized? and where can I find this information?
@unclexbob
why are you asking that again? you are from the US, you ought to know what it is. we got thousands of miles of tracks for them, and I hear a few crossing the Fort Collins one every day.
do you live in Ohio? if so, a train track should be easy to find. and you are bound to find a train on those.
If it gives any comfort to you, in Germany we're fighting against the privatisation of the Deutsche Bahn. Apparently you can learn from other peoples' mistake, so that leads me to the conclusion that what you got in Britain is really what our governments care about: highly subsidised profits.
Your government must be getting tips from ours in the U.S.
The franchising system is the worst of both worlds. The government dictates to the franchise operators what trains they can and can't run, so there can be no response to customer demand, while the TOCs sit back and suck up the profits, without investing anything back into the railways.
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@unclexbob
I'm just messing with you...
@unclexbob A small pink rodent that lives in the centre of the moon.
When it comes to conservatives and words like "free market", "privatisation" and "competition", I've never figured out whether they simply do not understand the blindingly obvious (If you have to pay shareholders and there's no real competition anyway, it's going to cost more), or whether they're just hoping enough of the general public fails to understand the blindingly obvious that they can invest in the train companies and deliberately screw everyone else over.
Sorry to interject a dystopic viewpoint but this is the future, private ultracorporations owning for profit markets with full government subsidization in exchange for campaign contributions, and all dissent crushed as at least in the US here the corporations are afforded full unimpeachable civil rights while the populus are merely wage slave chattle.
@DLandonCole
perhaps, though I do not think that this is the only solution with the same effect.
either way, at least we can all agree that the current system in the UK is bullshit.
I'm from the US....whats a "train"?
Richard Branson should stick to his stupid balloons
Why is PUBLIC transport owned by PRIVATE companies? It's nonsense. Public transport should be government run, paid for by taxation and that's the end of it....
This sounds like an insanely stupid policy.