I’ve been using “suicide” grip my entire life. As long as you do it properly, it is perfectly safe. And yes, in terms of elbows and shoulders, it is much better than the normal grip. And yes, you can physically push more weight with the open grip, due to the more adequate form.
@@narcisporoh2794me as well. I’ve never had an issue. The only time it’s possible, is if you are new to lifting or you are trying to push more weight than you should. You will lose focus and possibly your grip. If you are a seasoned lifter, it’s the best grip to use.
Great advice...except for the suicide grip. I only implement the thumbless grip with the dumbbell press. At least if I lose my grip on a dumbbell a weighted barbell won't crash onto my chest or neck potentially killing me.
Imagine publishing a video to three million people telling them to use suicide grip. First, no one benches with a closed grip with that much wrist extension, your wrist should be locked and neutral. Biacromial distance? OR you could just say shoulder width, unless someone is seriously supposed to bring a ruler to the gym...PhD in Common Sense, clearly not. Powerlifter vs Bodybuilder stance? Thats preference and entirely based on flexibility. All of this concludes with a very poor biomechanical breakdown of the bench press.
Thank you! this is the only video I found here in youtube that explains open grip vs close grip for bench press. I'm an open grip bencher, I am more comfortable with open grip and can bench more weight compared to the close grip.
I’ve benched with “suicide grip” for 11 years. I have NEVER come close to the bar rolling around. If anything it’s more stable. I have benched over 405 this way and never had any issues whatsoever.
Really good information it is great as clear as crystal one go is enough. also in his book he is very clear. long time a go i bought his book. recently i downloaded his new book he is great knowledgeable i don't say like this if it is not true.
Jim, I've been watching a lot of your previous videos for the past couple of days and I wanted to ask some clarifying question. First I know that either of your shortcut series can be used to build muscle me lose body fat, my main goal is to lose body fat! I need to start losing about 50 pounds but I can only train 4 days a week (occasionally 5) so Mr question is should I go shortcut to shred 4 days a week or do shortcut to size 4 days a week but add cardio acceleration??? Any answer u can provide me would be appreciated. Thanks jajuan
You don't lose bodyfat through gaining muscle. Gaining muscle will have you putting on the pounds without dropping off any of that fat and you may become discouraged. The number one surefire way to lose fat is to change what you eat and how much of it you eat. Cardio strengthens your heart and lungs, and lifting weights will grant you strength but only eating healthy food in measured portions will have you losing fat.
Sir, as you mentioned, that the bar needs to come down somewhere between upper abs and lower pecs and 'must go up and towards the face', I don't think it's gonna work for smith machine press. What's the trick for the same? Please do share.
Hello. I would be very glad if you could give me a help in this doubt that I have about shrugs. What is the correct positicon of your head when we are doing shrugs? Chin up or chin down? I used to do shrugs with my head in a neutral position and looking forward, however i have been seeing people telling that the chin should be down because when it is up it can compress your spine. In other and i have been seeing people teeling to keep your head straight, otherwise you can damage your discs. I have tried this at the gym and when i put my chin down a don't feel that pressure in my crevical spine. Could you give me a help to figure this out? What is the best form to do it? Thanks in advance m8 ;)
I’m 5”5ft when I lay on the bench to press the bar up. Why do l keep hitting the hook on top? Is it because my head position is too far up on the bench for my height?
dont be an idiot and dont use suicide grip, if your wrist is injured check your form, reduce weight, take a break from gym rather than crushing your chest.
I used to be as ignorant as the people in this comment section until I actually TRIED it instead of continuing to judge based on assumption and oh my, the suicide grip is the BEST thing ever! You’ll never be in danger as long as you SQUEEZE the bar... that’s how you maintain control and ensure that the barbell does not fall out of your hands. Grip strength is everything! Hats off to you doc!
All of the people saying "suicide grip blaah you're gonna die" probably never even tried it with the bar. Thumbs are hurting after I did 275 today. Gonna give it a shot with super light weight see how it feels. Bunch of people saying it works better and with no problems
Even though I know he is a professional, I never wanna try the ways he demonstrated in this video. Because it looks like to me that style is targeting more my tricep and lats, i tried it few years back and then never had thought to try that once again in my lifetime.
Absolutely would NOT recommend the thumbless bench grip to anyone. I don't care if you're a beginner or a fucking expert, just don't fucking do it. It's not worth it.
Do any of you actually lift weights? Everything this bloke is saying is 100% correct. Suicide grip/open grip is far superior to the closed grip, try it before you knock it. When I power lifted years ago, I always used a closed grip in competition, but trained with an open grip. He's absolutely correct, the closed grip does put more pressure to your wrists, and I did have injuries to my wrists and forearms, having four surgeries on my wrists to repair them. I've also had several shoulder injuries for the reasons he described here. Listen to people and open your mind to new ideas before completely disregarding someone's advice. Thanks Jim!
Some trainer's and bodybuilders say the bar should touch nipple line or higher, the elbows should be slightly flared out but dr is saying otherwise wonder what is true.
Producing force with your feet transferred to your hips, then to your torso and to your shoulders and then to your elbows and then to your wrist and to your radius and then to your scaphoid and then to your trapeziod, and then to your trapezium, and to your metacarpals and sesamoid if you are not using "suicide grip 😮", and finally to your proximal, middle and distal, will help you to maximaize your 1 rep max 💪👌
Hmmm. Elbows tucked in at 30-60 degrees? Why don't we just split the difference and say 45 degrees - which is an angle that works bio mechanically with most of the human body. Sometimes it's better to keep it simple - I believe.
I have seen more gains & more power from Thumbless Grip (suicide grip) also using Lats for assists, this guy is 100% accurate, this is for elite not novice, it takes a little to practice & u will never hold the bar with thum again
😂 So many people complaining about suicide grip vs closed grip. If you drop it, you had no business lifting that weight in the first place and/or need to work on grip strength. Just do what works best for you though. Suicide grip gives a much better idea of your grip strength, which is essential for pretty much all lifts.
IPF regulations state you need to maintain 3 points of contact while benching these being heels,butt and shoulder blades - so if you are a powerlifter and plan on doing an IPF meet you are not aloud to be on the balls of your feet while benching.
Just got back into the gym. And the first thing I caught myself on was how bad my form was for everything. I'm in a relearning process. Thanks for the tips. Other than not using my thumbs. That's crazy lol
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Very helpfull Ive been experiencing bicep and elbow tendonitis this should help hopefully
“Maximum chest development” means nothing if the bar slips and crushes your trachea.
Max Badstibner
Trachea? Think about the ribs first! 😂
You can’t be a pansie ass liberal to pull of the grip, that’s what I hear anyways..
I’ve been using “suicide” grip my entire life. As long as you do it properly, it is perfectly safe. And yes, in terms of elbows and shoulders, it is much better than the normal grip. And yes, you can physically push more weight with the open grip, due to the more adequate form.
@@narcisporoh2794 Okay 👍🏻
@@narcisporoh2794me as well. I’ve never had an issue. The only time it’s possible, is if you are new to lifting or you are trying to push more weight than you should. You will lose focus and possibly your grip. If you are a seasoned lifter, it’s the best grip to use.
Only bench press guide. No bullshitting straight to the point. Now that is what I call a Quality Content
Great advice...except for the suicide grip. I only implement the thumbless grip with the dumbbell press. At least if I lose my grip on a dumbbell a weighted barbell won't crash onto my chest or neck potentially killing me.
This guy has a passion to make everything look difficult
Cristian R. Hahaha made my night!!
@@swiftacademy7862 dude find a gf ffs
Seriously?
Suicide grip.... its called that for a reason.
Imagine publishing a video to three million people telling them to use suicide grip. First, no one benches with a closed grip with that much wrist extension, your wrist should be locked and neutral. Biacromial distance? OR you could just say shoulder width, unless someone is seriously supposed to bring a ruler to the gym...PhD in Common Sense, clearly not. Powerlifter vs Bodybuilder stance? Thats preference and entirely based on flexibility. All of this concludes with a very poor biomechanical breakdown of the bench press.
It's always good to revisit the fundamentals.
Thank you! this is the only video I found here in youtube that explains open grip vs close grip for bench press. I'm an open grip bencher, I am more comfortable with open grip and can bench more weight compared to the close grip.
I'm NOT gonna bench press with a thumbless grip
I am not taking my arms up to 30 degree
People have died doing that, safety over "joint strength"
Same thought
I’ve benched with “suicide grip” for 11 years. I have NEVER come close to the bar rolling around. If anything it’s more stable. I have benched over 405 this way and never had any issues whatsoever.
Absolutely agree jeff, this guy is an ignorant idiot
thanks batista
One of thee best if not thee best explanations I have ever saw.
Awesome! Thank you for checking it out!
This was one of your best videos! Thanks for the content and I hope we get more of biomechanics oriented vids.
athlean x did the best bench press checklist. period
Daniel Sameh true
He's The Best, An Incredible Resource, I Never Miss Dr Js Content, Just Wonderfully Explained 🎸
My Thanks...
Just saved me a shoulder injury, thank you Sir!!
All this time, my technique was wrong . Thanks, Dr. Jimm for a great and proper demonstration 😊
Your videos are filled with positive and useful information💌
Really good information it is great as clear as crystal one go is enough. also in his book he is very clear. long time a go i bought his book. recently i downloaded his new book he is great knowledgeable i don't
say like this if it is not true.
The doctor rules again. Unmatched explanation of bench press. Salute from 🇮🇳
Jim,
I've been watching a lot of your previous videos for the past couple of days and I wanted to ask some clarifying question. First I know that either of your shortcut series can be used to build muscle me lose body fat, my main goal is to lose body fat! I need to start losing about 50 pounds but I can only train 4 days a week (occasionally 5) so Mr question is should I go shortcut to shred 4 days a week or do shortcut to size 4 days a week but add cardio acceleration??? Any answer u can provide me would be appreciated. Thanks jajuan
You don't lose bodyfat through gaining muscle. Gaining muscle will have you putting on the pounds without dropping off any of that fat and you may become discouraged. The number one surefire way to lose fat is to change what you eat and how much of it you eat. Cardio strengthens your heart and lungs, and lifting weights will grant you strength but only eating healthy food in measured portions will have you losing fat.
Thank you for the info on biocromial distance. My grip was about 2 inches too wide! Let’s see if this will make a difference… Thank you
Very informative. Will try open grip tomorrow along with slightly lowering the bar path below the nipple line.
Does anybody know the background track title?
GREAT GUIDE !
Great video Jim. thanks for sharing.
that background music is intimidating but also hypnotic
Excellent video
great break down.Thanks!
You should do this for like every exercise in the gym! Super informative
Thanks for the advise! I'll keep it in mind. Have a great day :)
You didn't talk about retracting Shoulders back and down?do you not recommend this?
thank you
this helped alot thank you!
Sir, as you mentioned, that the bar needs to come down somewhere between upper abs and lower pecs and 'must go up and towards the face', I don't think it's gonna work for smith machine press. What's the trick for the same? Please do share.
Really helpful sir
Nice job. Nice video great info. Thanks
Good night bro thank you 🙏 properly explained thank you 🙏
Nice.. I will try this 💪💪
Thanks so much 😊
Hello. I would be very glad if you could give me a help in this doubt that I have about shrugs. What is the correct positicon of your head when we are doing shrugs? Chin up or chin down? I used to do shrugs with my head in a neutral position and looking forward, however i have been seeing people telling that the chin should be down because when it is up it can compress your spine. In other and i have been seeing people teeling to keep your head straight, otherwise you can damage your discs. I have tried this at the gym and when i put my chin down a don't feel that pressure in my crevical spine. Could you give me a help to figure this out? What is the best form to do it?
Thanks in advance m8 ;)
I enjoyed this video. Thanks!
Very informative!
Thanks for this info.
I’m 5”5ft when I lay on the bench to press the bar up. Why do l keep hitting the hook on top? Is it because my head position is too far up on the bench for my height?
just as i was having wrist pain too omg! Thanks man thought i had to go to dumbells only!
yeh remember that when the bar rolls off and shatters your ribs
dont be an idiot and dont use suicide grip, if your wrist is injured check your form, reduce weight, take a break from gym rather than crushing your chest.
Can you talk about the inclined bench press??? Bar positions and elbows!!! Thanks 🙏🏼
How about a thumb around grip and wrist wraps to keep the wrist joint straight if needed.........simple
And when you check a video of Arnold bench-pressing he is doing completely opposite things
I used to be as ignorant as the people in this comment section until I actually TRIED it instead of continuing to judge based on assumption and oh my, the suicide grip is the BEST thing ever! You’ll never be in danger as long as you SQUEEZE the bar... that’s how you maintain control and ensure that the barbell does not fall out of your hands. Grip strength is everything! Hats off to you doc!
All of the people saying "suicide grip blaah you're gonna die" probably never even tried it with the bar. Thumbs are hurting after I did 275 today. Gonna give it a shot with super light weight see how it feels. Bunch of people saying it works better and with no problems
did you lock your elbow when doing this?
Wow my grip was way too wide. Thanks for the tips!
He explain it clearly...
Even though I know he is a professional, I never wanna try the ways he demonstrated in this video. Because it looks like to me that style is targeting more my tricep and lats, i tried it few years back and then never had thought to try that once again in my lifetime.
I mean, the bench isn't much of a chest exercise so I don't know what other muscles you were feeling doing it another way
Correct me if I'm wrong but to me it all looks like a reverse push up on a bench. He knows what he's talking about :)
So what's the pros and cons of using elevated feet when doing the bench press?
Jordan Leach there are none. Bullshit dangerous video.
It is just about transfer of weight and being able to push off
It is just about transfer of weight and being able to push off
Hi Doctor , Can you please do a video on how to cure IT band syndrome.
Absolutely would NOT recommend the thumbless bench grip to anyone. I don't care if you're a beginner or a fucking expert, just don't fucking do it. It's not worth it.
Jethro Jacinto nothing happens bro..I’ve used it for 11 years. By far more powerful and by far more stable
Do any of you actually lift weights? Everything this bloke is saying is 100% correct. Suicide grip/open grip is far superior to the closed grip, try it before you knock it. When I power lifted years ago, I always used a closed grip in competition, but trained with an open grip. He's absolutely correct, the closed grip does put more pressure to your wrists, and I did have injuries to my wrists and forearms, having four surgeries on my wrists to repair them. I've also had several shoulder injuries for the reasons he described here. Listen to people and open your mind to new ideas before completely disregarding someone's advice. Thanks Jim!
Im 34 and have been using no thumb grip since i was 13 , never slipped on me, knock on wood
thanks sir
Doc, you´re looking fucking amazing!
fantastic
Now I know how I hurt my shoulder. Thank you
These tips may have just changed my life!
Brandon Hutchins mushroom tips
"Also known as a.... *Audible devil smile commences* **THE SUICIDE GRIP**" -Satan with tattoos
That sounds great, I will definitely hold a dangerously heavy weight without gripping it over my gadang badi
Can we use the smith machine
You would be better off just doing a decline press with dumb bells, preferably. This is the ideal angle for maximum pectoral development.
I have always benched with a thumbless grip I have never had a issue with the bar rolling in my hands
Some trainer's and bodybuilders say the bar should touch nipple line or higher, the elbows should be slightly flared out but dr is saying otherwise wonder what is true.
Shashi Garad n his arms placement are too close, more close grip triceps presses then bench press
Nice
Respect
do not fucking lift heavy with a thumbless grip unless you have a death wish
What is flat bench?
Clicked the video to see him try and justify the thumbless grip
Producing force with your feet transferred to your hips, then to your torso and to your shoulders and then to your elbows and then to your wrist and to your radius and then to your scaphoid and then to your trapeziod, and then to your trapezium, and to your metacarpals and sesamoid if you are not using "suicide grip 😮", and finally to your proximal, middle and distal, will help you to maximaize your 1 rep max 💪👌
Even if your elbows are flared out a little you won't get a shoulder injury if you put your shoulders in the right position
This guy sounds like Kevin from the office lol
Jim stoppanni or 'doctor' is the perfect example of a phd finisher with bad morals...
Hmmm. Elbows tucked in at 30-60 degrees? Why don't we just split the difference and say 45 degrees - which is an angle that works bio mechanically with most of the human body. Sometimes it's better to keep it simple - I believe.
Any measurements x1.5 will work, it's not related to inches
I have seen more gains & more power from Thumbless Grip (suicide grip) also using Lats for assists, this guy is 100% accurate, this is for elite not novice, it takes a little to practice & u will never hold the bar with thum again
😂 So many people complaining about suicide grip vs closed grip. If you drop it, you had no business lifting that weight in the first place and/or need to work on grip strength. Just do what works best for you though. Suicide grip gives a much better idea of your grip strength, which is essential for pretty much all lifts.
Closed grip is the safest.
IPF regulations state you need to maintain 3 points of contact while benching these being heels,butt and shoulder blades - so if you are a powerlifter and plan on doing an IPF meet you are not aloud to be on the balls of your feet while benching.
Massimo Strappazzon you shouldn’t want to be on the balls of your feet.
Nice 💪
Just what i wanted
take a shot every time he says bench press
I’ve only ever used suicide grip, I just call it holding the bar
Better give him a like, dont want this bloke showing up to my place
That grip though🙈
But i saw many people says to square the arms while doing it !!!
Okay perfect 🤩😎
I use suicide grip only because that is the way i was thought by old lifters. could never switch back to using my thumb
Our philosophy is "whatever works and feels comfortable"
I'm sorry but the way he's showing to bench , is in my experience mostly front Deltoids and triceps.
Suicide grip is way easier than a normal grip for me and it never slips out
My best friend dropped the bar on his neck while working out at home, his mom went to visit and found him dead. No suicide grip for me...
We're very sorry to hear that, and sorry for the loss. Always practice safety first, benching alone can be very dangerous.
How his traps shrugged up as the bar came down ...
That is a great question!
Just got back into the gym. And the first thing I caught myself on was how bad my form was for everything. I'm in a relearning process. Thanks for the tips. Other than not using my thumbs. That's crazy lol