Please stop perpetuating bullshit, harmful stories that artificially inflate old game prices. This game was never worth that much and was only sold for that much to create a bubble and force other people to sell their games at inflated prices.
@FuzzzehOG As much as I'd want to agree with you thats not how this works, when it comes to collectors that's the holy grail, but thats how alot of things look to someone with only outside knowledge, you also have to understand this isn't some one time run of the mile game that randomly came out and was never talked about again, this is the second game in a starting franchise, technically the, thats not an over inflated price for some people, because as said there is no actual ceiling to that, it's like the best NFT to actually own since no matter what happens, so long as society is around that'll be considered a part of history
Tell me if my guess of what he said was right lol so basically he told him since it’s high risk high reward and he’s not sure for how long it’s gonna be on the wall for Best he can do is 180k
@@squuid15well the game is, and the offers probably were as well. Sold listings are heritage auction for others weren’t too far off. Obviously the entire exchange is fake though since they do that for everyone who comes in the store
@@devinhall1631 The show is fake, its not a real transaction in any form. The producers found a guy with a rare item and paid him to bring it in and be on tv.
Guy "appraising" the game, along with a ton of other people, got caught manipulating the video game market illegally. This clip right here helped them do that believe it or not
@@rileyreed4244 because its not that rare, and it's for sure not worth no $1,000,000. It's illegal however to corner and manipulate a market by saying these games are worth that much, then buying thousands of them for dirt cheap online and selling them for a ridiculously high price. Anybody who lost money in the retro game boom deserved to lose every penny they had if not more
@@Treasures776The show isn't fake, or at least not to my knowledge, but it is pre-planned to an extent. In a similar way, people say the same thing about WWE and entertainment wrestling, it isn't fake so much as it is planned and staged, but a lot of things that happen in it are real or are made real in the moment at times. With this specifically, it's a real pawn shop where the TV show runners go ahead of time and find people who have interesting things for sale and put it on television via hooking up the situation, as well as making sure all the main people coming up are all right with being on camera who probably have to sign some sort of contract to some extent. It's set up, and likely played out a little bit more, especially in the backstage drama, some of that could definitely be fake, but the actual pawn shop is extremely real as well as many of the dealings.
@@onetrues3978this is the dude from wata games right here lol. For anyone else in the comments who are unaware, the auctioning company Heritage and the game grading company WATA had basically conspired to artificially raise prices pretty much across the board with regards to retro games. This is the prime example right here, game is valuable but not even near being worth 1 mill. Market manipulation at it's worst.
GameStop won't give you nothing that Hass to be open first and then the game is really worth nothing so three dollars seems about right. Stop being a liberal with a righteous person just stay home and do your meth...
@@bandawin18It’s called making money, and the seller 9/10 is not in a position to bargain like it’s a piece of Unobtainium. They are taking a reasonable offer in their head, the buyer isn’t responsible for giving a reasonable offer at the start. Webster may define this as a Negotiation/Haggle. I mean anyone who has sold more than 2 things understands this principle. Either that or you are thick headed. 🤷 All respect to those who read this and we can stop a flame war before it happens.
@@Mushr88mBreWI feel like you should be responding to OP, not the person you tagged. That person agrees with you, that the buyer wants to get the product for a low price to sell it at a high price.
This episode was actually some helpful proof to show how WATA grading company was manipulating the market. That copy of Super Mario Bros is graded by WATA. Want to guess who the expert in this episode is? The CEO of WATA. A class action lawsuit has actually been filed against WATA and Heritage Auction company. Heritage Auction will only sell WATA graded games, one of the owners of Heritage Auction is an advisor for WATA, and on multiple occasions WATA and Heritage owners/higher up have bid on their own auctions to drive up price. The CEO of WATA has showed up on multiple episodes of Pawn Stars, given ridiculous estimates on the value of games, and in turn causes the auctions to go higher on Heritage Auction. Market manipulation so they get richer, and us actual game collectors get screwed because everyone and their mother think they old games are worth their weight in gold now.
Couldnt have aaid it better myself. Ive been trying to find old copies of like pokemon white and black and the MFs are $100+ really fucking frustrating. Edit for all you idiots yes I know I can use a rom. I just want the physical copy.
Every industry does that same thing. You act like them bidding up a couple of 70k video games somehow hurt you trying to buy ps5 games... Lol you people are fcking ridiculous with your fake interent outrage.
Friendly reminder that this "expert" runs several auction houses that sells games to each other only to raise the price before it goes out to the public.
Look up wata games scam. The dude that came from wata games is friends with the people who own that copy. They artificially made the sealed game market go up by buying copies for high prices and speaking about the price of games being higher than it is. The copy that had on the show was the highest price for that game every and it was only at 100k no where near 1million
I used to have one bought it brand new from the shelf back in 1990. It got stolen and I was destroyed by that. I saved it for collecting never to be opened. The most valuable item ever stolen from me.
So. This will take a little explaining. In later seasons of Pawn Stars, you'll start to notice that there are one or two items per episode where they will invite a grader or an expert in to talk about it. These experts will explain the history of the item, and more importantly give a figure for what it might be worth. Almost every time when this happens, the pawn guys will offer a lesser amount ("I need to make money too!"), and the owner will refuse it. So, what is actually going on is that the show needs a certain number of these interesting items per season. The history channel foots the bill for paying for experts to come in and say how much it may be worth. The owner of the item in question would otherwise have to hire that expert themselves. Instead, they their services for free. Also, they just got major free advertising for selling the item in an auction later (and I guarantee at the auction itself it will be a major selling point for the auctioneer to say "and item number 27, as seen on episode 516 of the TV show Pawn Stars..."). So the owner benefits. And the showrunners benefit, because rju got some interesting footage for the show. And the pawn shop guys benefit, because as long as the show goes on, they keep getting paid for it, and they keep getting advertising for the store from it. The end result is that a lot of these high ticket items are brought by owners who have no intention of selling them, to a pawn shop that has no intention of buying it.
@@GetOffMyPhoneGoogle People haven't looked into the shadiness of WATA and VGA. Both grade their own games they find with stupid grades in order to bank on investments in the future. It's a huge racket, honestly. They may grade someone's stuff honestly every now and again but they have a lot of controversy.
@@GetOffMyPhoneGoogle art has always been crazily expensive yeah money laundering has occurred with it but that’s not for every case. It’s ridiculous people think it’s always money laundering reality it just idiots setting prices and rich folks investing it and using it as decoration for their home to show off how rich they are
@@kaoticfox it's wild to me that you're not only arrogant in your ignorance but you are so confident you feel the need to insult strangers who don't make the assumptions you make. If you had a clue what you were talking about you'd know Wata is the company that set the prices. You'd also know their scams have been covered extensively. Let me give you a word of advice: just because you think you know something doesn't mean you do so the next time you want to try to sound big by making other people small do yourself a favor and bite your tongue. In this case you sound like an idiot.
Fun Fact: The expert who had the evaluation was the head of WATA games, which provided the particular case and quality rating system for game collectors. Another higher up at WATA games also owned Heritage Auctions, who ran the auction for that very Super Mario Bros among other sealed WATA rated games.
The truth came out. The guy talking about the game is the same guy who works for the auction company. He litterally sets the prices and then they buy their own auctions to create demand for future auctions. Oh we sold mario 1 for 1 million so the next guy buys one for like 300k thinking he can flip it. The market already crashed. It resold for like 60k. Carl Jobst has a nice documentary on the auction house.
@@TexasNewsOwL YEs but a journalist that did the research and has the documentation showing the collusion of the grading company and the auction house. The game on the show was owned by the head of the auction house and the guy bringing it in worked for same said auction house.
Wasn't this "expert" outed as a con man by Karl Jobst? Didn't Jobst prove he has conflicted interests bc he both sells and appraises the same video games?
Yeah, what wata and heritage and all others involved did to the video game market was disgusting and selfish. I'm amazed how greedy people will get to inflate a market they can dominate. Good job on Karl for exposing these scum bags
Big fcking deal, he caused a couple of $70,000 video games to sell for $100,000 instead. Everybody does the same corrupt sht in every single industry on earth but internet crybabys act like it aomehow was hurting them trying to buy ps5 games from walmart.
My dad and my aunt bought me my new NES when I was 9 and it was awesome. I had a lot of friends in those times so that game system will always be awesome!!
@@kpayan6282 wata owns and grades all the old school games, so they create the market and buy their old games to auction at prices they want. they control the flow, sale and distribution of old games
@@yeahimquikthey also worked with heritage auctions to sell their games amongst themselves at over inflating prices before passing them off into the market for speculators to gobble up. It came crashing down around them after Karl released his videos on the subject.
The guy trying to sell the game for one million was actually one of the founders of the grading company. They got caught trying to sell the games they graded themselves again and again.
“I have over head, I have to pay for the auction, I am taking all of the risk, best I can do is $50 bucks…I can throw in some Chumlee commemorative coins too.”
For anyone who didn’t know. This was part of a huge scam. An auction house made fake bids on games like these (after buying a stockpile) to artificially inflate the price and rarity. If I remember correct these guys were actually people who ‘authenticated’ the value and rarity of said games
You are definitely correct, Scam also with the grading company too. Scam with these guys goes back to old baseball cards with these guys selling altered cards as legit and getting them grading with high numbers
That market lasted 12 months and so many of these speculators that were basically scammed by the grading and auction house lost their shirts . You can still go see the prices and drops online it’s insane watching a 300k investment turn into 1500 dollars in such a short time .
"Yeah, so, we heard back from our other expert who works the register over at GameStop, and, based on his assessment, the best we'll be able to do for ya is 5, chief."
@@TheCFKane1982 so is Pawn Stars, Ive seen them scam people out of money every episode. they drive down the cost, say its the best they can do and put it up for sale for twice the value. Wata and Pawn Stars are a match made in scammer heaven.
That grading company works in tandem with the marketplace where these games are sold. They artificially inflate the value. Not to mention, the people who run the marketplace also participate in this marketplace, buying and selling games after they inflate the value
It is however not worth anywhere near that level of money. If your actually interested in playing the game it's worth maybe 10 bucks. If your collecting vintage mint condition copies it might be worth a few tens of thousands at best if it's a rare version of the game cartridge and still in its original plastic covering with no defects anywhere.
I'm not too much into video games, but I've been collecting comics for some time. A couple of companies grade comics (CGC & CBCS), but I'm not too familiar with them. Do you know if those grading companies are a scam, as well? I see graded stuff asking more on eBay vs. upgraded comics, but I'm not sure if that translates to actual sales.
@@thegrandbeef it's all likely a scam. These people create some perception of scarcity and 'value' on things that few people even care about. The comic market is in the shitter, before that was baseball cards. You'll always have the outliers, like Action Comics #1; because who was collecting comics in 1938?
@The Grand Beef CGC and PSA are the most trusted well trusted in the card world. And no probably not scams like these guys. They would send people into auctions to place crazy high bids making people it has stupid high value.
The most interesting thing about this is the grading company is owned by the guy appraising this (The expert in the video) so he graded that game sold it to this man (or more likely let him borrow it for this episode) and appraised it with a fake story thus manipulating the market on live tv. And on top of everything I just mentioned the guy in this video saying that its basically priceless is currently in a lawsuit for manipulating the market as he is shown doing in this video.
yes. you have discovered a money laundering crime. Since you wont do anything about it, or report it though, your post is the equivalent to masturbation.
Nintendo did not start video gaming. Atari LLC was started and formed in 1972 building the first gaming consoles Like Packman. Then in 1977 built the first at home gaming console.
Anything is worth any price to the right person. A glass of water is easily worth $1M to a guy that just crossed the desert without water, but to a person drowning in a lake it is worth less than nothing.
@@bobthetroll it was proven to be a scam. Grading anything other than tcg is a scam. Technically even grading tcg is a scam dependent on company and product
I know my analysis is 5 months late, but I can say with absolutely certainty that the story is in fact not a cool story. But I need to call my buddy who's an expert on whether or not my certainty is certain.
Dude should keep it for another 10-20 years if he lives that long. I’m sure the price would increase from it. Or he could sell it to a video game museum.
FUTURE ADVICE IF YOU ARE NEGOTIATING PRICE: every single pawn shop owner or buyer always has their tactic. The begin with “what’s with this thing costing this much” or “Your asking that much for this!?” They always undermine you and make you feel little and not confident. If you know what you have and the worth. Stick to your ground and if they don’t wanna buy it for that much then leave. Simply leave.
Well um 1) don't ever go for a pawnshop unless you are seriously desperate and incapable of selling the thing yourself 2) most of the time your ideas of "price" as a collector are a delusion. This guy is setting fake prices by pushing items around different auction houses he owns. This game is worth $100k at the complete max.
"Test market" in 1986? A full year after the game and comsole were already launched across the whole country? This guy doesn't come across as a real expert to me.
One thing i learned about pawn shops never disclose past offers that you yourself turned down because that is the amount they are gonna sell it for to rip you off
they forgot to mention that the "expert" is the guy who's company evaluated it as a 9,4 condition, and now he says how much it's worth. what a scam xDDD
I remeber this game came with my nintendo in 86 with a poster of different games and i had a black and white television. To this day the best christmas ever.
With high-tech technology these days. Photo copier can easily put in those colors and glued into cardboard box. Squeeze it until original size. And remake that thing.
My grandma's still got an entire entertainment center filled with these old Mario games. I used to play these games growing up in the 90s. Grandma's still alive I might go see what all she's got hoarded at her house today 😂😂
@@docavar5698 She is man. I had 12 thousand pounds crush my foot 3 years ago and I was off work for 2 years and lost toes and had to learn how to walk again. She moved me in and her and my parents had to take care of my 26 year old crippled ass for 6 months straight when I was bed ridden. She's the best woman in my life
Of course he will say that...he is the CEO of WATA, the grading company who graded that game and he also works with auctions houses for those games ,where he takes a piece...
"Super Mario Bros." cartridge, believed to be part of the test market launch before the game’s wide release, sold for an astounding $2 million in 2021.
“The one that started it all”? Someone should tell Junior here that home video games were around for a decade before this. Arcade games for even longer.
This grading company ended up being massive scammers. They graded their own games, and sold them to eachother to falsify and lie about prices and worth. WATA Grading.
Ive seen games like these sell for up to $200k over seas, then when they make their way to the US they are at a fraction of that supposed value at around 15-38k.
That's because a mint condition Nes game is worth to collectors in the low to mid tens of thousands at the highest end. Most games like this would be worth way less. The inflated prices are a result of market manipulations by wata games and heritage auctions. They basically bought and sold games amongst themselves and their close friends at ludicrous prices to make the game seem orders of magnitude more valuable to speculators than it actually was in order to make a quick buck. Afaik right now they are being investigated for this.
I'm pretty sure this was part of some controversy. The grading company, as well as this dude brought in to talk about it, would price games astronomicallly high which caused the whole retro gaming market to experience some huge unwarrented inflation.
@@mrperfecttt001007 WATA (the guy who values the game here) hyperinflated game prices so they could get a big cut on video game sales. The market is down 90%+, watch Karl Jobst’s video on it is it hilarious
Too bad the entire market was manipulated by a grading company that turned around and sold their own games at an auction house they pretended they didn’t actually own, driving up the prices of games. I love retro gaming but I’m glad the market imploded and these people lost a lot of money.
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Please stop perpetuating bullshit, harmful stories that artificially inflate old game prices. This game was never worth that much and was only sold for that much to create a bubble and force other people to sell their games at inflated prices.
Fakes news
@FuzzzehOG As much as I'd want to agree with you thats not how this works, when it comes to collectors that's the holy grail, but thats how alot of things look to someone with only outside knowledge, you also have to understand this isn't some one time run of the mile game that randomly came out and was never talked about again, this is the second game in a starting franchise, technically the, thats not an over inflated price for some people, because as said there is no actual ceiling to that, it's like the best NFT to actually own since no matter what happens, so long as society is around that'll be considered a part of history
Tell me if my guess of what he said was right lol so basically he told him since it’s high risk high reward and he’s not sure for how long it’s gonna be on the wall for
Best he can do is 180k
Your "content" has already been put out on the open internet 😂
Best I can do is $20 and a half eaten burrito that Chumlee didn’t finish. I’m taking all the risk.
Best i can do is shart in your corn flakes after my daily 15 lb burrito🤔 and im taking all the risk at that🤔
@@rodolfobeans3531
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Deal
😂😂😂😂
The idea chumlee couldn't finish a burrito doesn't sit right with me
Pays $750,000 then catches chumlee playing it in the back room after the deal was through
So true
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😂😂😂😂
You think this was real?
@@squuid15well the game is, and the offers probably were as well. Sold listings are heritage auction for others weren’t too far off. Obviously the entire exchange is fake though since they do that for everyone who comes in the store
"this thing is worth a fortune. I know, I'll take it to a pawn shop and get 30% of its value!"
Impatient, people need instant gratification and to fix problems that took years to create need to be dealt with yesterday. That’s how this happens
Given the costs of an auction house, it's probably closer to a net push than you realize.
@@devinhall1631 The show is fake, its not a real transaction in any form. The producers found a guy with a rare item and paid him to bring it in and be on tv.
@@badladyami This show is massively staged but this is a good answer.
Since this episode was tapped a year before it has aired it's free advertising to people who like to collectors.
Guy "appraising" the game, along with a ton of other people, got caught manipulating the video game market illegally. This clip right here helped them do that believe it or not
Yup. Karl Jobst did a great job exposing all of this. Creating a speculative bubble and making millions in the process
@@Teh_Random_Canadian Karl is the goat
How is it illegal to bring awareness to how rare a game is?
@@rileyreed4244market manipulation and conflicts of intrest
@@rileyreed4244 because its not that rare, and it's for sure not worth no $1,000,000. It's illegal however to corner and manipulate a market by saying these games are worth that much, then buying thousands of them for dirt cheap online and selling them for a ridiculously high price. Anybody who lost money in the retro game boom deserved to lose every penny they had if not more
If the guy wants 1 million for it he should bring it to an auction himself
the shows fake lol
That's a whole other story look up heritage auction and wata games.
@@Treasures776The show isn't fake, or at least not to my knowledge, but it is pre-planned to an extent. In a similar way, people say the same thing about WWE and entertainment wrestling, it isn't fake so much as it is planned and staged, but a lot of things that happen in it are real or are made real in the moment at times. With this specifically, it's a real pawn shop where the TV show runners go ahead of time and find people who have interesting things for sale and put it on television via hooking up the situation, as well as making sure all the main people coming up are all right with being on camera who probably have to sign some sort of contract to some extent. It's set up, and likely played out a little bit more, especially in the backstage drama, some of that could definitely be fake, but the actual pawn shop is extremely real as well as many of the dealings.
Auction you pay like 20-30% commission
@@onetrues3978this is the dude from wata games right here lol. For anyone else in the comments who are unaware, the auctioning company Heritage and the game grading company WATA had basically conspired to artificially raise prices pretty much across the board with regards to retro games. This is the prime example right here, game is valuable but not even near being worth 1 mill. Market manipulation at it's worst.
Game Stop: We will give you $1.68 dollars or $3 in store credit.
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂👏👏👏
Yupp. Cheap bastards!!
Thats actually more money than they would really pay
I remember those days 😂😂😂😂
GameStop won't give you nothing that Hass to be open first and then the game is really worth nothing so three dollars seems about right. Stop being a liberal with a righteous person just stay home and do your meth...
You see Rick’s logic here goes like this. It’s worthless when you own it but worth more when I own it.
Well the goal is to buy it cheaper and sell it more expensive. Of course he's gonna go as low as possible
@@bandawin18It’s called making money, and the seller 9/10 is not in a position to bargain like it’s a piece of Unobtainium. They are taking a reasonable offer in their head, the buyer isn’t responsible for giving a reasonable offer at the start. Webster may define this as a Negotiation/Haggle. I mean anyone who has sold more than 2 things understands this principle. Either that or you are thick headed. 🤷 All respect to those who read this and we can stop a flame war before it happens.
@@Mushr88mBreWI feel like you should be responding to OP, not the person you tagged. That person agrees with you, that the buyer wants to get the product for a low price to sell it at a high price.
@@Mushr88mBreWlmao you really did reply trying to argue with the only guy that agreed with you. What a genius.
This is why I stopped watching the show.
Rick's a dick
Grading companies for gaming should be illegal. They ruined game collecting.
Would you say the same for TCGs?
Trying to pass that law in every country around the world? Imagine.
How?
Also they gave that unicorn of a pristine game a 9.4. Fucking laughable
This episode was actually some helpful proof to show how WATA grading company was manipulating the market. That copy of Super Mario Bros is graded by WATA. Want to guess who the expert in this episode is? The CEO of WATA. A class action lawsuit has actually been filed against WATA and Heritage Auction company. Heritage Auction will only sell WATA graded games, one of the owners of Heritage Auction is an advisor for WATA, and on multiple occasions WATA and Heritage owners/higher up have bid on their own auctions to drive up price. The CEO of WATA has showed up on multiple episodes of Pawn Stars, given ridiculous estimates on the value of games, and in turn causes the auctions to go higher on Heritage Auction. Market manipulation so they get richer, and us actual game collectors get screwed because everyone and their mother think they old games are worth their weight in gold now.
Couldnt have aaid it better myself. Ive been trying to find old copies of like pokemon white and black and the MFs are $100+ really fucking frustrating. Edit for all you idiots yes I know I can use a rom. I just want the physical copy.
What these guys did as business owners was despicable. Goes to show you what kind of people these guys and companies really are.
Every industry does that same thing. You act like them bidding up a couple of 70k video games somehow hurt you trying to buy ps5 games... Lol you people are fcking ridiculous with your fake interent outrage.
Just like diamond ppl
Sounds like Canadian politics !!
Friendly reminder that this "expert" runs several auction houses that sells games to each other only to raise the price before it goes out to the public.
Came here for this
Spot on. Look at the current market. Looks like the pump is dumping.
Total fraud for sure. I’m sure that game has value, but I’d guess 150k max
That would be conspiring to price fix & he would be in prison if this was common knowledge.
I'll give you a hundred. And that's only if you have a NES I can use.
He’s gotta buy a frame and put in shop and gonna sit there for a long time taking up space 😂😂
Pong started it all, then space invaders & asteriods, then pacman 🙄. He's an expert my ass...
Makes me an OG in gaming then
You forgot Lunar Lander.
You’re forgetting “ Breakout”
It was right there at that time
I feel like Tetris should be mentioned here too
The point is, Super Mario Bros. didn't start it all. For nintendo, yes. And in my life, yes. It was my 1st game, along with Duck Hunt and Excitebike.
Gamestop: "Best I can do is $12 store credit"
Most underrated comment.
Dude, this triggered my Gamestop ptsd flashbacks.
No way gamestop is paying 12 for a used game. 4 tops
Truer words have never been spoken 😂😂😂👏👏👏
$12 bucks lucky if they give him $5 bucks store credit!! 😂😂🤠👍
Wants a miilion dollars proceeds to take it to a pawn shop 😂😂
For visibility. Also, the entire show is just that, a show. This isn't a real negotiation.
I don't know what's more embarrassing, your comment or the 36 people that like it.
@@jeffm2586it’s a scam btw, these guys are being served papers as we speak lol fuck’em
Right?? Almost like it's a SHOW or something. . . Weird 🤔
Look up wata games scam. The dude that came from wata games is friends with the people who own that copy. They artificially made the sealed game market go up by buying copies for high prices and speaking about the price of games being higher than it is. The copy that had on the show was the highest price for that game every and it was only at 100k no where near 1million
I used to have one bought it brand new from the shelf back in 1990. It got stolen and I was destroyed by that. I saved it for collecting never to be opened. The most valuable item ever stolen from me.
I truly feel for you Howy the Reason I replied is the items of Value go missing over the years came flooding back,Take Care Mate. 🏞
So. This will take a little explaining. In later seasons of Pawn Stars, you'll start to notice that there are one or two items per episode where they will invite a grader or an expert in to talk about it. These experts will explain the history of the item, and more importantly give a figure for what it might be worth. Almost every time when this happens, the pawn guys will offer a lesser amount ("I need to make money too!"), and the owner will refuse it. So, what is actually going on is that the show needs a certain number of these interesting items per season. The history channel foots the bill for paying for experts to come in and say how much it may be worth. The owner of the item in question would otherwise have to hire that expert themselves. Instead, they their services for free. Also, they just got major free advertising for selling the item in an auction later (and I guarantee at the auction itself it will be a major selling point for the auctioneer to say "and item number 27, as seen on episode 516 of the TV show Pawn Stars..."). So the owner benefits. And the showrunners benefit, because rju got some interesting footage for the show. And the pawn shop guys benefit, because as long as the show goes on, they keep getting paid for it, and they keep getting advertising for the store from it.
The end result is that a lot of these high ticket items are brought by owners who have no intention of selling them, to a pawn shop that has no intention of buying it.
Trogly's channel detailed how he auditioned for the show with his $20,000 Gibson Les Paul. Then a certain virus hit us, and the idea got scrapped.
kidnappers: we have your wife and will return her for 5 million
Rick: 1200 best I can do
Omg 😲 how have not gotten any likes!?🤣
Rick: Give me $2k and I'll take her back.
@@dat2ra😂😂😂
Let me get a hostage expert I know down here to take a look
Ruthless
Ironically, it turned out that this guy's company was a scam.
The guy who appraised it or what?
@@joshuadelaughter The guy who appraised it.
You go to a pawn shop in Sin City USA and you expect everything to be kosher
@@jeremywalker2460 no but its still Ironic
This show was fake anyway lol
My 1986 NES still works, games, duck hunt gun, and all. Plus my Cabbage Patch doll still in its original box, along with ThunderCats and Skelator 😊
He’s gonna say I’ll give u $5 & a box of uncrustables 😂😂😂😂
Perfect way of laundering money is through shady appraisals.
@Treedom Vellacroix The art world says that you are wrong and he is right.
Art
“No officer, I didn’t give him $100k in drug money. I paid $100k for this portrait of a stick man on a post-it note.”
@@GetOffMyPhoneGoogle People haven't looked into the shadiness of WATA and VGA. Both grade their own games they find with stupid grades in order to bank on investments in the future. It's a huge racket, honestly. They may grade someone's stuff honestly every now and again but they have a lot of controversy.
@@GetOffMyPhoneGoogle art has always been crazily expensive yeah money laundering has occurred with it but that’s not for every case. It’s ridiculous people think it’s always money laundering reality it just idiots setting prices and rich folks investing it and using it as decoration for their home to show off how rich they are
"We have graded our own items and determined them to be worth millions"
For context I paid $7.55 for my copy. This is called a scam.
You paid 7.55$ for a 1985 super Mario Copy?
It’s called comparable sales clown. The consumer sets the price
@@kaoticfox it's wild to me that you're not only arrogant in your ignorance but you are so confident you feel the need to insult strangers who don't make the assumptions you make. If you had a clue what you were talking about you'd know Wata is the company that set the prices. You'd also know their scams have been covered extensively. Let me give you a word of advice: just because you think you know something doesn't mean you do so the next time you want to try to sound big by making other people small do yourself a favor and bite your tongue. In this case you sound like an idiot.
@@kaoticfox literally 5 minutes of research into the graded games bubble would show you that's complete bullshit but by all means go off.
Fun Fact: The expert who had the evaluation was the head of WATA games, which provided the particular case and quality rating system for game collectors.
Another higher up at WATA games also owned Heritage Auctions, who ran the auction for that very Super Mario Bros among other sealed WATA rated games.
Man all I see is one of the monumental moments in my childhood lol
The truth came out. The guy talking about the game is the same guy who works for the auction company. He litterally sets the prices and then they buy their own auctions to create demand for future auctions. Oh we sold mario 1 for 1 million so the next guy buys one for like 300k thinking he can flip it. The market already crashed. It resold for like 60k. Carl Jobst has a nice documentary on the auction house.
Bingo.
Karl, but everything you said is correct.
THIS. Total scam. The SAME scammer who scammed people with coin collecting in the 80's
@@TexasNewsOwL YEs but a journalist that did the research and has the documentation showing the collusion of the grading company and the auction house. The game on the show was owned by the head of the auction house and the guy bringing it in worked for same said auction house.
Thank you!! This was my first thought also.
Wasn't this "expert" outed as a con man by Karl Jobst? Didn't Jobst prove he has conflicted interests bc he both sells and appraises the same video games?
Yeah, this whole business is a sham. Inflate numbers to make money.
Yes I see the video as well
Yeah, what wata and heritage and all others involved did to the video game market was disgusting and selfish. I'm amazed how greedy people will get to inflate a market they can dominate. Good job on Karl for exposing these scum bags
so... video-game-pelosi?
i would doubt that he is the one that makes the prices because buyers do.
if he doesnt sell... then its not the value.
Big fcking deal, he caused a couple of $70,000 video games to sell for $100,000 instead. Everybody does the same corrupt sht in every single industry on earth but internet crybabys act like it aomehow was hurting them trying to buy ps5 games from walmart.
My dad and my aunt bought me my new NES when I was 9 and it was awesome. I had a lot of friends in those times so that game system will always be awesome!!
"I know why he's asking astronomical money on this one." -Guy caught manipulating the retro video game market.
This episode should've exposed the Wata scam way earlier.
What is wata scam?
@@kpayan6282no idea
Watascamatta with you?
@@kpayan6282 wata owns and grades all the old school games, so they create the market and buy their old games to auction at prices they want. they control the flow, sale and distribution of old games
@@yeahimquikthey also worked with heritage auctions to sell their games amongst themselves at over inflating prices before passing them off into the market for speculators to gobble up. It came crashing down around them after Karl released his videos on the subject.
Yeah, I'm from WATA and I'm telling you that this game is worth a bajillion-gazillion dollars.
What a steal!
Best I can do is free plus you pay me 250 dollars.
Good thing I brought my backpack with ten Bagillion dollars.... in one's.
and a wet fart.
Settle for 30 million space bucks
The guy trying to sell the game for one million was actually one of the founders of the grading company. They got caught trying to sell the games they graded themselves again and again.
“I have over head, I have to pay for the auction, I am taking all of the risk, best I can do is $50 bucks…I can throw in some Chumlee commemorative coins too.”
For anyone who didn’t know. This was part of a huge scam. An auction house made fake bids on games like these (after buying a stockpile) to artificially inflate the price and rarity. If I remember correct these guys were actually people who ‘authenticated’ the value and rarity of said games
I’m not surprised. Never trust a man wearing a ponytail.
Yea one of the people involved had gotten in trouble for a simalar scam in another industry.
You are definitely correct, Scam also with the grading company too. Scam with these guys goes back to old baseball cards with these guys selling altered cards as legit and getting them grading with high numbers
Gah I remember this and was so happy it got dismantled, even though I think they're still running similar in other markets.
That market lasted 12 months and so many of these speculators that were basically scammed by the grading and auction house lost their shirts . You can still go see the prices and drops online it’s insane watching a 300k investment turn into 1500 dollars in such a short time .
scam. the appraiser is part of the company who grades and auctions these games. they drive up the price by bidding on their own pieces.
This is true
a scam artist negotiating with another scam artist.
Valid point of it becoming art. Art is only valued by who appreciates and wants it. And, can also change in a snap.
$30 in store credit is the best I can do.
Too much. A $5 Red Lobster gift card.
Lol that’s way more than GameStop would ever offer
Lmfao
@@Sabamika1 and an expired 10% off coupon to Hair cuttery
Dumb
"Yeah, so, we heard back from our other expert who works the register over at GameStop, and, based on his assessment, the best we'll be able to do for ya is 5, chief."
Damn a 5 spot?! That’s top dollar at GameStop! Homeboy definitely lost his job giving away that much 💰
Best I can do is my lunch leftovers and a handshake after I use the toilet
I had been hardcore gaming my whole life when that NES game came out just after my 20th birthday. It did not "start it all" LOL
Man I remember the smell on opening a fresh game back in the day... The pull out the sleeve... Heavenly...
Why does this sound like Joe Biden describing his niece?
Yeaaa.. I love the smell after pulling out too 🎉
@@DonaId_J_Trumpsay the parody account of the Epstein friend
Weird😂
@@DonaId_J_Trumpsounds like trump describing his daughter.
“I’ll give you $50, I gotta make money too”
I mean Wata Games and the sealed Video Game market is a scam anyway, so yeah.
@@TheCFKane1982 so is Pawn Stars, Ive seen them scam people out of money every episode. they drive down the cost, say its the best they can do and put it up for sale for twice the value. Wata and Pawn Stars are a match made in scammer heaven.
That grading company works in tandem with the marketplace where these games are sold. They artificially inflate the value. Not to mention, the people who run the marketplace also participate in this marketplace, buying and selling games after they inflate the value
Thne low ball on the dude man, and still dares to still stand
Rick: the best I can do is a pizza party 😂
Said every company that didnt give out raises this year
Don’t do my elementary school teachers like that 😭 they tried their best lmao
What you see here is a scammer performing a scam on an entire industry.
In an industry of scammers? Get outta here
which one? the whole show is staged
Thank you for trying to educate morons in speculation, not reality TV
Yup! And they did this to the whole video game collecting industry! Do not buy any game graded from wata either!
And it worked! For awhile...
I like how the person giving him a valuation is the person who works for the company who graded it... no conflicts there haha.
I used to play the hell out of super mario bros back in the day. All-time classic video game.😊
It is however not worth anywhere near that level of money. If your actually interested in playing the game it's worth maybe 10 bucks. If your collecting vintage mint condition copies it might be worth a few tens of thousands at best if it's a rare version of the game cartridge and still in its original plastic covering with no defects anywhere.
Super Mario Bros. wasn't the start of anything. It wasn't even the start of fucking Mario Bros.
It's about quality slow ass
Mario Bros. wasn't even the start of the Mario Bros.
Donkey Kong baby
Did everyone forget that this grading company was a scam?
I'm not too much into video games, but I've been collecting comics for some time. A couple of companies grade comics (CGC & CBCS), but I'm not too familiar with them. Do you know if those grading companies are a scam, as well? I see graded stuff asking more on eBay vs. upgraded comics, but I'm not sure if that translates to actual sales.
@@thegrandbeef it's all likely a scam. These people create some perception of scarcity and 'value' on things that few people even care about. The comic market is in the shitter, before that was baseball cards. You'll always have the outliers, like Action Comics #1; because who was collecting comics in 1938?
@@thegrandbeef ruclips.net/video/rvLFEh7V18A/видео.html
@The Grand Beef CGC and PSA are the most trusted well trusted in the card world. And no probably not scams like these guys. They would send people into auctions to place crazy high bids making people it has stupid high value.
I feel like they have sadly watta is scum though still I havnt forgot
"As far as we know" translates to "Maybe"
That's a great piece of history. Brings back so many memories looking back. Its real worth is infinite.
The most interesting thing about this is the grading company is owned by the guy appraising this (The expert in the video) so he graded that game sold it to this man (or more likely let him borrow it for this episode) and appraised it with a fake story thus manipulating the market on live tv. And on top of everything I just mentioned the guy in this video saying that its basically priceless is currently in a lawsuit for manipulating the market as he is shown doing in this video.
yes. you have discovered a money laundering crime. Since you wont do anything about it, or report it though, your post is the equivalent to masturbation.
Live TV?
Edited and several months past before the airing of the episode.
Rick is always getting scammed
I would just hold on that for at least 10 more years
Art historically always goes up in value. Full stop.
@@mizztwerksum5256 it's worth 15k now 😅
Nintendo did not start video gaming. Atari LLC was started and formed in 1972 building the first gaming consoles Like Packman. Then in 1977 built the first at home gaming console.
Grading companies are not supposed to assign worth. They just grade the item. The market determines the worth.
Anything is worth any price to the right person. A glass of water is easily worth $1M to a guy that just crossed the desert without water, but to a person drowning in a lake it is worth less than nothing.
Amen
shut up
Well said 👏
this is just such a useless comment i feel a little upset because i read it
Its funny this comment is here because I have made it one of my life goals to sell a glass of water for a million dollars
“ best I can do is $1000. I’m taking all the risk. It’s going to sit around a while. You’ll have to pay auction fees. Blah blah “ Rick probably.
Wow...just wow man....
@@ainteasebeincheese u haven’t seen the show huh🤣🤣
🤣😭😂
@@ainteasebeincheese clearly you've never seen show and how this thief low balls
Best I can do is 1 scrunchie
I'm mad that as a kid I never thought to keep the boxes and manuals for all my games
That thing is the OG of modern gaming. It will be worth 8 million some day.
Did anyone catch when he said Our grading company
Yep, loads of videos proving his grading company particulates in price fixing.
Yeah this was proven to be a scam
He’s the expert they called in to evaluate the game…. So yea, he’s part owner of the company that graded the game
In no way has this proven to be a scam 🤔
@@bobthetroll it was proven to be a scam. Grading anything other than tcg is a scam. Technically even grading tcg is a scam dependent on company and product
I think this is a cool story bro. But I need to call my buddy who's an expert on cool stories
I know my analysis is 5 months late, but I can say with absolutely certainty that the story is in fact not a cool story. But I need to call my buddy who's an expert on whether or not my certainty is certain.
Dude should keep it for another 10-20 years if he lives that long. I’m sure the price would increase from it. Or he could sell it to a video game museum.
I just found a 70 year old aspirin bottle in my attic. Gotta fetch a mil at least ...
Right ?
I used one of those as a door stop in college because I couldn’t afford a real door stop. 😂
Oh my
Wow
FUTURE ADVICE IF YOU ARE NEGOTIATING PRICE: every single pawn shop owner or buyer always has their tactic. The begin with “what’s with this thing costing this much” or “Your asking that much for this!?” They always undermine you and make you feel little and not confident.
If you know what you have and the worth. Stick to your ground and if they don’t wanna buy it for that much then leave. Simply leave.
Well um
1) don't ever go for a pawnshop unless you are seriously desperate and incapable of selling the thing yourself
2) most of the time your ideas of "price" as a collector are a delusion.
This guy is setting fake prices by pushing items around different auction houses he owns.
This game is worth $100k at the complete max.
Will you take $10 and a torn in half expired subway coupon? No? Alright best I can do is $9
"Test market" in 1986? A full year after the game and comsole were already launched across the whole country?
This guy doesn't come across as a real expert to me.
One thing i learned about pawn shops never disclose past offers that you yourself turned down because that is the amount they are gonna sell it for to rip you off
If you think it’s worth $300,000 you’re the one ripping people off.
It's almost like pawn shops are a business to make money. Not a charity.
Agreed most of the time, but in this case Rick is the one getting ripped off
Ok so he said I could get 1 mill I will give you 5 bucks and a half eaten pizza
Wow you should be a fucking comedian😐
@@sander4247 wow you should be a comedian😑
@@sander4247 wow you should be a comedian
@@sander4247 Wow you should be a comedian in congress
That's funny , He's watched the show...
“Let me call a guy that knows a guy, about a gamer guy that knows gamer stuff…”
they forgot to mention that the "expert" is the guy who's company evaluated it as a 9,4 condition, and now he says how much it's worth. what a scam xDDD
I remeber this game came with my nintendo in 86 with a poster of different games and i had a black and white television. To this day the best christmas ever.
First nes games i played were tmnt and ghostbusters. Rough start haha. But the contras and ninja gaidens made up for it.
No doubt brother.
Same here.
You know, it’s in a plastic case, I can’t take it out and play it, 1985 was a long time ago- best I can do is $19.95
“We’ve rated it highly and I’m giving you a price without saying so directly. There’s no funny business here.”
With high-tech technology these days. Photo copier can easily put in those colors and glued into cardboard box. Squeeze it until original size. And remake that thing.
That thing should be in a museum.
My grandma's still got an entire entertainment center filled with these old Mario games. I used to play these games growing up in the 90s. Grandma's still alive I might go see what all she's got hoarded at her house today 😂😂
Your granny is a blessing 😇
@@docavar5698 She is man. I had 12 thousand pounds crush my foot 3 years ago and I was off work for 2 years and lost toes and had to learn how to walk again. She moved me in and her and my parents had to take care of my 26 year old crippled ass for 6 months straight when I was bed ridden. She's the best woman in my life
@@DrDoom931 oof that, sounds damn painful, bless your granny you’re lucky 🥹
@@DrDoom931Gmas are the best.. wish mine was As Happy & loving like she was. Back when we were kids.. cherish Her ❤
Of course he will say that...he is the CEO of WATA, the grading company who graded that game and he also works with auctions houses for those games ,where he takes a piece...
"Super Mario Bros." cartridge, believed to be part of the test market launch before the game’s wide release, sold for an astounding $2 million in 2021.
So glad Karl Jacobs exposed this scam in this episode
Karl Jobst?
Maybe there is another Karl out there dishing out justice.
*Carl Jacobs
Buy it Rick, buy it! I love to watch you get Ripped Off, like you do to every sucker that walks into your store! 😆😅😂
“The one that started it all”? Someone should tell Junior here that home video games were around for a decade before this. Arcade games for even longer.
I think, about a year ago, a similar copy that was graded a 9.2 from a different company sold in auction for 1.2 million
Sold to people who were connected with WATA, the grading company
Fake auction to manipulate the market. These games shouldn't be worth more than 10 grand
to a guy connected with the company, money laundering 101
@@TheOrangeRoad artificial inflation is the name of the game
the best I could do gosh you know it’s going to sit on my shelf. I got a frame 40 bucks.
High Risk.
They cut off the part where he says “alright best I can do is 50$ …… look I got to make money also”
The craziest thing is, NOTHING is special about Super Mario Bros. It's like one of the most common retro video games you can find lmao
Rick: "I'll give you $50 bucks. Final offer."
50 dollar bucks?
On this episode of Pawn Stars we attempt to manipulate the collectors market.
The best I can offer is Chumlee.
Chumlee: 👁️ 👄 👁️
This grading company ended up being massive scammers. They graded their own games, and sold them to eachother to falsify and lie about prices and worth. WATA Grading.
I’m 25 and i remember watching this when I was 13😂 it went downhill and got cheesy after a couple years but it’s addicting at the same time lol
A mint boxed SMB is impressive, but there's no way in hell I ever buy that.
im sure if you could wipe your ass with $100 bills you would buy it
Especially it being a test copy that's extremely rare to be in that good of shape
I don't want to collect it I want to play it....and I can do that on my switch
@@metalmario1231 fr
lmfao gotta get that 300K before midnight or they gonna TAKE my legs not just break 'em (the only reason to hit a pawn shop in Vegas)
It should scream "scam" when someone brings an item this valuable to a pawn shop.
Ive seen games like these sell for up to $200k over seas, then when they make their way to the US they are at a fraction of that supposed value at around 15-38k.
That's because a mint condition Nes game is worth to collectors in the low to mid tens of thousands at the highest end. Most games like this would be worth way less. The inflated prices are a result of market manipulations by wata games and heritage auctions. They basically bought and sold games amongst themselves and their close friends at ludicrous prices to make the game seem orders of magnitude more valuable to speculators than it actually was in order to make a quick buck. Afaik right now they are being investigated for this.
Congrats. You're starting to learn why speculative markets are frauds.
I'm pretty sure this was part of some controversy. The grading company, as well as this dude brought in to talk about it, would price games astronomicallly high which caused the whole retro gaming market to experience some huge unwarrented inflation.
I got this for Christmas when i was i kid.im 48.this just opened up a part of my brain,thank you 1980 someting
Game Stop would offer you a 50 cent discount on your next order of over a hundred bucks.
Game Stop is also a scam, so...
This was later sold for $2 Million. Not sure who owned it at that time though
@@stephan_shereabout that….
Imagine selling a game to yourself to increase the value of said game... You don't have to because that is what happened here.
No is was not
@@mrperfecttt001007 WATA (the guy who values the game here) hyperinflated game prices so they could get a big cut on video game sales. The market is down 90%+, watch Karl Jobst’s video on it is it hilarious
Too bad the entire market was manipulated by a grading company that turned around and sold their own games at an auction house they pretended they didn’t actually own, driving up the prices of games. I love retro gaming but I’m glad the market imploded and these people lost a lot of money.