Yeah, except the tactical camera in DAI is nothing like Origins. It's not easy to use on PC because of the controls (no edge scrolling!). Not to mention that it bumps into every rock, tree, building, etc. which makes it super hard to use.
For two months, pc players had to cope with a tactical view that always jumps back to characters on selection, although this bug has not been in the pre-release version. And still after five patches the camera is hindered by at least three problems: The inability to zoom out further. In many situations it is impossible to get an overview, especially since the funky new engine is unable to fade out things that block your vision, like vegetation. The annoyance that orders you give in tactical view are often not carried over to the normal view. I noticed that it works better when you stick to tactical view and play the battle in tac cam, but then your idea of mixing the two mods, as advertised in this very video, is not working and this is something you probably know. Last but not least the stupidity of camera cursor movement being tied to traversable terrain. Normally, a flying cam should easily go over obstacles, but it simply can't in DAI. So this is actually not tactical camera at all, it's more like an invisible fifth NPC that gives you a bit more insight into a battle. Vastly inferior to DAO and possibly even DA2. I'm willing to give you that: Yes, the camera provides additional information and I'd rather have it than not. But making a video about how grande it is feels like mockery to everyone who already knows the game. I guess that's the important point here: The videos are aimed at new customers, those who have not yet decided whether to buy this game or not. You better hope they wont take a closer look at the comments. ;-)
+GODzilla GSPB See, and I WANT that ability to jump to the character on selection. In the midst of battle, I want to know where each character is, not have to pan around to find them to issue movement or attack orders. Great game, tho.
+Bud Foltyn One click - select. Double-click - jump to character. Could've been so easy if game creators would take a look at and acknowledge decades of mouse development. -.-
+GODzilla GSPB I played on console, 360...thinking of getting it on XBone. I remember it choosing the character with the DPad, but played yesterday on EA Access free week, and the camera remains where it was as I cycle thru my party.
Why didn't BIoware just bring back the isometric view from DA:O? It worked great, and it could have actually been implemented on the new consoles this time.
Sweet! And again, I thoroughly enjoy the series and I look forward to more! Congratulations on the accolades for Dragon Age Inquisition, well earned! I am very grateful Bioware listens to their fans!
Maybe you can made more comfortable tactical camera for PC players, for keyboard + mouse. And another inventory for PC, because even in old games from 90's inventory was more handy.
I wish it was more like origins in that on PC you didn't have to leave tactical cam to have things go in real time like you could click to move but don't have to pause
Never really used it. Play on nightmare. Early levels are hard, I'll grant you that. But after just a few hours of playing it starts to become really easy. You can still die on high levels, but they are rare and always down to mega burst from adds or failing some mechanic. That said though, I could still solo the max level dragons. That just should not be allowed on nightmare.
I'm 40 hours into my Nightmare run, and other than the very beginning of the game like you said, the only other "hard" parts in my experience are dealing with the knockdown spamming Terror demons at fade rifts. However, it's really easy to deal with if you spam barriers back-to-back.
BradTheAmerican Yeah the knockdown spam in DAI is just like the stun spam in DAO, its fucking annoying. I get tired of those shielded dudes that just spam knockdown non stop on your tank, got its annoying.
I do. Played through it 22 times. Played through DAO 18 times. I can't say I'll play through DAI anywhere near that amount though because it's just so empty.
***** I actually disliked that companions stuck with their own armor. It took away a part of customization. Same with everyone being stuck with specific weapons. Since Fenris could only use two-handed weapons and I could never actually give him adequate tanking armor, I was less inclined to even use him unless I also used a healer with a mix of other defense magic. I prefer Merrill over Anders because Anders became a whiny emo or something. However, I hate Fenris, so I usually don't bother with him anyway unless I'm trying to mix things up.
Another tip from me... if you're anywhere with a lowish ceiling and you want a screen-filling view of your hero's shoulders with absolutely no tactical advantage at all, or if you simply want to confuse yourself... then switch to Tactical view!
I've had no issues with the tactical cam. It's a new system that takes getting used to. I hardly ever use it unless I actually want to go on a higher difficulty. I'm enjoying the game, thanks for making it.
Very grateful for this game. I thought the tactical camera was useful (on PC though it's a bit confusing), but maybe make the game a little bit more difficult? Still, enjoyed it from beginning to end
I don't know if they fixed it or not, but last time I used tactical view, it was very bad and annoying. The camera angle is hard to tilt and move and it always stuck, the view radius become very small when it stuck so I have to move my characters a bit in real time...at the end I rather play the game in real time.
I found the very limited camera angles/range of the tactical cam on the PC quite frustrating and most of the time I would just switch characters to issue commands. I would rather have kept the combat/movement mechanics of DA2, especially the tactics that could be set up for each character. These made you feel like your team was working together when you didn't want to micromanage, and not just using their skills/targeting randomly or positioning themselves in annoying ways. While skills like Fade Step, Hidden Step and Mind Blast are great for your controlled character, it seems a step backwards to not be able to tell archers/mages to automatically run from melee attacks or use a skill to disable a close range enemy. I also found that it meant characters would use skills such as spell purging abilities when their were no enemy mages, and would have loved to be able to tell characters with certain skills to focus on certain enemies. All that being said, the additional information about enemies makes popping into tactical view very helpful every now and again, but it is overall not a mechanic that I feel helped me in combat.
I am currently replaying Drago Age Origins and Awakening... WHY is the Tactical Cam in Inquisition not the same as it was in those games? I mean it is fast an easy to handle, the Tactical Cam in Inquisition is sadly just horrible. :( And why cant i select all my characters to move at once in it, but have to select every single party member to give them a move command?
iGyman Eh... I actually enjoyed DA2, then again, people will point at my avatar and mock me for sticking up for underdogs. I'm just not difficult with my games. I like all the games from the Dragon Age franchise, but DA2 really had one of the best cast... (my opinion, strictly) it's just too bad they rushed the game and recycled so many dungeons. It mights not be the best BioWare game out there, but I loved it for different reasons. DA2 helped me cope through my father's death so at least there's that.
iGyman DAI has so much filler content and empty space that I'd say DA2 is better. DA2 talent trees also offer more to the player and isn't such a grind-fest.
SuperArppis because you stay in hinterlands for too long, it has some encounter that is for lvl 8-12, and you ain't able to level to 12 directly from hinterlands. that is why you find it difficult when you find like lvl 10 encounter there when you only have lvl 9 or 10. However, if you go out to other places, like fellow mire or storm coast, there are encounter start from 8-10 or 7-11 too, which you will find particularly if you are already lvl 10.
Think it's too easy? Get on Nightmare, don't craft, turn of friendly fire. It might be the fact that you've just played too much of it and know everything.
I'm not a huge fan of tactical cam. It certainly does help in some battles but I just want to play the game without having to frequently pause and tell my party what to do. It's a lot harder to play the advanced difficulties without it though, which bothers me. P.S. Can you please do something about the text sizes? I have a decently big TV that's not even 10 feet away from me and 20/20 vision yet it's still a pain to read codex entries and such. Even the captions are tiny!
That's actually one of the things they're working on in the upcoming patch (the subtitles thing) :) blog.bioware.com/2015/02/13/introducing-the-dai-patch-5-beta-program-featuring-the-black-emporium/ It's explained here
Isn't that only for PC players? At least for now? I'm glad they're working on such a big patch especially being able to change armor colors. I can't tell you how many armors I skipped on just because the colors didn't match. My Inky needs to look good!
Well, pc won't have the patch yet either, except for the few lucky beta testers! It'll be open to the public when it's ready :) and then I can experiment with my quizzy big-time!
The tactical camera is a nightmare to use, recently finished my first playthorugh which got to about 125 hours, but never used the tactical camera because it was such a hassle to use. Please change it.
If i pause the game with tactical camera, i don't want it to pan to overview from above. I want to keep the camera where it was so i can go quick in, do what i want and quick out again. When the camera changes, you have to adjust to the new angle.
Yeah I am all real time action in all three games, hardly ever used tactical combat in origins and II, same with Inquisition. I like on the fly decision making and being quick with potions and abilities and positioning. More realistic that way. Tactical came feels too much like I'm playing a turn based combat game.
Tactical camera was the biggest failure in DA:I, i never fought without it in Origins but now it's just complete trash. Tactical camera used to be an awesome PC exclusive feature (the exclusiveness isn't what made it good) that all PC Origins players wanted back. Instead of giving it back to us the optimized it for consoles and now it's barely usable on PC, not even console players fucking us it! The point of the tactical camera was that it allowed us to play the game as an RTS but with the ability to pause, RTS is a genre that has never been doable on consoles because of their lack of control. The least they could do would be to give PC players our own version of tactical camera that works like it did in Origins, we're the people who wanted it in the first place!
please fix the gameplay and UI mechanics of the game for PC, It's the most requested patch and it looks like Bioware still ignores this. It's really is a shame & disappointing . . .
Tactical camera sucks. Its interface is bad and that the camera is stuck to the environment makes it incredible tedious to use. The one in Orgins was perfect, this one sucks.
tactical cam in inquisition sux .. angle is weird , max height is weird moving tactical cam is shit .. this tactical cam is nothing what it was and why it was loved ir ORIGINS .. so yeah .. fix it or stop talking about it please.
Take advantage over even the toughest of adversaries!
Yeah, except the tactical camera in DAI is nothing like Origins. It's not easy to use on PC because of the controls (no edge scrolling!). Not to mention that it bumps into every rock, tree, building, etc. which makes it super hard to use.
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For two months, pc players had to cope with a tactical view that always jumps back to characters on selection, although this bug has not been in the pre-release version. And still after five patches the camera is hindered by at least three problems:
The inability to zoom out further. In many situations it is impossible to get an overview, especially since the funky new engine is unable to fade out things that block your vision, like vegetation.
The annoyance that orders you give in tactical view are often not carried over to the normal view. I noticed that it works better when you stick to tactical view and play the battle in tac cam, but then your idea of mixing the two mods, as advertised in this very video, is not working and this is something you probably know.
Last but not least the stupidity of camera cursor movement being tied to traversable terrain. Normally, a flying cam should easily go over obstacles, but it simply can't in DAI. So this is actually not tactical camera at all, it's more like an invisible fifth NPC that gives you a bit more insight into a battle. Vastly inferior to DAO and possibly even DA2.
I'm willing to give you that: Yes, the camera provides additional information and I'd rather have it than not. But making a video about how grande it is feels like mockery to everyone who already knows the game.
I guess that's the important point here: The videos are aimed at new customers, those who have not yet decided whether to buy this game or not. You better hope they wont take a closer look at the comments. ;-)
+GODzilla GSPB See, and I WANT that ability to jump to the character on selection. In the midst of battle, I want to know where each character is, not have to pan around to find them to issue movement or attack orders. Great game, tho.
+Bud Foltyn One click - select. Double-click - jump to character. Could've been so easy if game creators would take a look at and acknowledge decades of mouse development. -.-
+GODzilla GSPB I played on console, 360...thinking of getting it on XBone. I remember it choosing the character with the DPad, but played yesterday on EA Access free week, and the camera remains where it was as I cycle thru my party.
Why didn't BIoware just bring back the isometric view from DA:O? It worked great, and it could have actually been implemented on the new consoles this time.
Sweet! And again, I thoroughly enjoy the series and I look forward to more! Congratulations on the accolades for Dragon Age Inquisition, well earned! I am very grateful Bioware listens to their fans!
Maybe you can made more comfortable tactical camera for PC players, for keyboard + mouse. And another inventory for PC, because even in old games from 90's inventory was more handy.
I've always been mainly action with using the tac occasionally during times when I'm doing a mass ability fest.
I wish it was more like origins in that on PC you didn't have to leave tactical cam to have things go in real time like you could click to move but don't have to pause
Never really used it. Play on nightmare. Early levels are hard, I'll grant you that. But after just a few hours of playing it starts to become really easy. You can still die on high levels, but they are rare and always down to mega burst from adds or failing some mechanic.
That said though, I could still solo the max level dragons. That just should not be allowed on nightmare.
I'm 40 hours into my Nightmare run, and other than the very beginning of the game like you said, the only other "hard" parts in my experience are dealing with the knockdown spamming Terror demons at fade rifts. However, it's really easy to deal with if you spam barriers back-to-back.
BradTheAmerican Yeah the knockdown spam in DAI is just like the stun spam in DAO, its fucking annoying. I get tired of those shielded dudes that just spam knockdown non stop on your tank, got its annoying.
The only things I used tactical camera for was to group everyone up to drop barrier or to look at the pretty graphics.
Did anybody love Dragon Age 2?
I do. Played through it 22 times. Played through DAO 18 times. I can't say I'll play through DAI anywhere near that amount though because it's just so empty.
i did
from the gameplay mechanics standpoint I have to say DA2 is more fun then DAI
DA2 was good, only the reuse of a few standard maps was a downside.
***** I actually disliked that companions stuck with their own armor. It took away a part of customization. Same with everyone being stuck with specific weapons. Since Fenris could only use two-handed weapons and I could never actually give him adequate tanking armor, I was less inclined to even use him unless I also used a healer with a mix of other defense magic. I prefer Merrill over Anders because Anders became a whiny emo or something. However, I hate Fenris, so I usually don't bother with him anyway unless I'm trying to mix things up.
I personaly find the tactical view super useful
If lucy james were a video game, she will be dragon age inquisition. Both are perfect.
Another tip from me... if you're anywhere with a lowish ceiling and you want a screen-filling view of your hero's shoulders with absolutely no tactical advantage at all, or if you simply want to confuse yourself... then switch to Tactical view!
Nice!
I've had no issues with the tactical cam. It's a new system that takes getting used to. I hardly ever use it unless I actually want to go on a higher difficulty. I'm enjoying the game, thanks for making it.
WTB DLC with Nightmare x 4 difficulty plz! :D
Very grateful for this game. I thought the tactical camera was useful (on PC though it's a bit confusing), but maybe make the game a little bit more difficult? Still, enjoyed it from beginning to end
I don't know if they fixed it or not, but last time I used tactical view, it was very bad and annoying. The camera angle is hard to tilt and move and it always stuck, the view radius become very small when it stuck so I have to move my characters a bit in real time...at the end I rather play the game in real time.
I found the very limited camera angles/range of the tactical cam on the PC quite frustrating and most of the time I would just switch characters to issue commands. I would rather have kept the combat/movement mechanics of DA2, especially the tactics that could be set up for each character. These made you feel like your team was working together when you didn't want to micromanage, and not just using their skills/targeting randomly or positioning themselves in annoying ways. While skills like Fade Step, Hidden Step and Mind Blast are great for your controlled character, it seems a step backwards to not be able to tell archers/mages to automatically run from melee attacks or use a skill to disable a close range enemy. I also found that it meant characters would use skills such as spell purging abilities when their were no enemy mages, and would have loved to be able to tell characters with certain skills to focus on certain enemies.
All that being said, the additional information about enemies makes popping into tactical view very helpful every now and again, but it is overall not a mechanic that I feel helped me in combat.
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Comments AKA Complaint section.
I find the tac view fine besides yes, the POV youre stuck in, but its damn useful besides that
I want to cry and scream at same time.
Doesnt scroll out far enough.........and it interacts with terrain so it can get stuck...... Poorly implemented.
I liked the fact that the tactical camera is back, but the fact it respects terrain is monumentally stupid.
I am currently replaying Drago Age Origins and Awakening... WHY is the Tactical Cam in Inquisition not the same as it was in those games? I mean it is fast an easy to handle, the Tactical Cam in Inquisition is sadly just horrible. :(
And why cant i select all my characters to move at once in it, but have to select every single party member to give them a move command?
It's more convenient on console than pc.
Game was good, but first two were better. Hope they release some dlc for the campaign.
Okay, I enjoyed Origins more but saying DA2 is better than DAI is kind of a stretch.
The story and combat were better. The landscape was complete shit though, that I'll admit.
iGyman Eh... I actually enjoyed DA2, then again, people will point at my avatar and mock me for sticking up for underdogs. I'm just not difficult with my games. I like all the games from the Dragon Age franchise, but DA2 really had one of the best cast... (my opinion, strictly) it's just too bad they rushed the game and recycled so many dungeons. It mights not be the best BioWare game out there, but I loved it for different reasons. DA2 helped me cope through my father's death so at least there's that.
Don't get me wrong. DA2 is not an amazing game, but I still like it and played it a bunch of times.
iGyman DAI has so much filler content and empty space that I'd say DA2 is better. DA2 talent trees also offer more to the player and isn't such a grind-fest.
Does anyone else find this game too easy unless it's on Nightmare?
It's too easy even on nightmare once you gear up your party :(
I was very dissapointed with the "difficulty"
I was one time thinking nightmare will be too difficult for me, but then I travel alot to level up the party....shit, it is not difficult afterall
I played it on Normal and it felt pretty difficult at some encounters. But after Hinterlands it felt really easy.
SuperArppis because you stay in hinterlands for too long, it has some encounter that is for lvl 8-12, and you ain't able to level to 12 directly from hinterlands. that is why you find it difficult when you find like lvl 10 encounter there when you only have lvl 9 or 10. However, if you go out to other places, like fellow mire or storm coast, there are encounter start from 8-10 or 7-11 too, which you will find particularly if you are already lvl 10.
Think it's too easy? Get on Nightmare, don't craft, turn of friendly fire. It might be the fact that you've just played too much of it and know everything.
Tactical View Tips?
how bout some tips to stop the game from lagging
the basic stuff I already tried
I'm not a huge fan of tactical cam. It certainly does help in some battles but I just want to play the game without having to frequently pause and tell my party what to do. It's a lot harder to play the advanced difficulties without it though, which bothers me.
P.S. Can you please do something about the text sizes? I have a decently big TV that's not even 10 feet away from me and 20/20 vision yet it's still a pain to read codex entries and such. Even the captions are tiny!
That's actually one of the things they're working on in the upcoming patch (the subtitles thing) :) blog.bioware.com/2015/02/13/introducing-the-dai-patch-5-beta-program-featuring-the-black-emporium/ It's explained here
Isn't that only for PC players? At least for now?
I'm glad they're working on such a big patch especially being able to change armor colors. I can't tell you how many armors I skipped on just because the colors didn't match. My Inky needs to look good!
Well, pc won't have the patch yet either, except for the few lucky beta testers! It'll be open to the public when it's ready :) and then I can experiment with my quizzy big-time!
Two words: Lucy. James! #dai
Great game but the tactical view is a nice addition but it feels unnecessary I rarely use it maybe once or twice.
Also the devs are just lying here, you can't queue up commands other than the basic 'attack' using taccam.
nope i am using real time no pause for anything not even weaknesses and strengths on nightmare
Tac-cam would be a return of a part of DA:O that i loved IF IT DIDN'T STICK TO THE GROUND. TAC CAM SHOULDN'T GET STUCK ON ROCKS.
The tactical camera is a nightmare to use, recently finished my first playthorugh which got to about 125 hours, but never used the tactical camera because it was such a hassle to use. Please change it.
If i pause the game with tactical camera, i don't want it to pan to overview from above. I want to keep the camera where it was so i can go quick in, do what i want and quick out again. When the camera changes, you have to adjust to the new angle.
i hate to be that guy but the tactical camera...i rarely use it
jokurandomnimi that is the exception and only on my second playthough, the first one i didn't bother dispelling
Yeah I am all real time action in all three games, hardly ever used tactical combat in origins and II, same with Inquisition. I like on the fly decision making and being quick with potions and abilities and positioning. More realistic that way. Tactical came feels too much like I'm playing a turn based combat game.
Tat-cam is useless and it's easy even playing on Nightmare mode. Made for EA new generation gamers, how it seems.
Tactical camera was the biggest failure in DA:I, i never fought without it in Origins but now it's just complete trash. Tactical camera used to be an awesome PC exclusive feature (the exclusiveness isn't what made it good) that all PC Origins players wanted back. Instead of giving it back to us the optimized it for consoles and now it's barely usable on PC, not even console players fucking us it!
The point of the tactical camera was that it allowed us to play the game as an RTS but with the ability to pause, RTS is a genre that has never been doable on consoles because of their lack of control.
The least they could do would be to give PC players our own version of tactical camera that works like it did in Origins, we're the people who wanted it in the first place!
I love this game, but combat and 'tactical' opportunities are just shit. I was hoping for something as advanced as Origins, sigh...
please fix the gameplay and UI mechanics of the game for PC, It's the most requested patch and it looks like Bioware still ignores this. It's really is a shame & disappointing . . .
You better hurry up with patch 5, than doing this nonsense.
Tactical cam is really bad on PC, needs many improvements before its really useful.
First one here
Why start with an interview? Please just get to the point of the video, at least the World of Warcraft videos got straight into it.
Seriously?
Tactical camera sucks. Its interface is bad and that the camera is stuck to the environment makes it incredible tedious to use. The one in Orgins was perfect, this one sucks.
Fake its all script read
tactical cam in inquisition sux .. angle is weird , max height is weird moving tactical cam is shit .. this tactical cam is nothing what it was and why it was loved ir ORIGINS .. so yeah .. fix it or stop talking about it please.