I mean this in the best way possible, but if you want to see the D&SNG with coal fired engines, you had better do it in the next few years. Oil fired locomotives will have their advantages, but they don't compare with the sensory experience of a coal fired engine
Well said. Happy I have been on a coal fired train from Durango 2 years ago. Just happy the Cumbres and Toltec dont seem to hop on the oil conversion wagon.
@@radiohirsch They converted 489 to oil. I believe they're doing it like the D&S, converting some to oil and leaving the rest coal so they can run steamers in drought conditions.
Exciting to see so much activity around the roundhouse and machine shop. Good to see work progressing with 473s conversion to oil and it is neat to officially hear that 480 is next in line for the oil-burner treatment. Pretty cool that the railroad will have an oil-burner of each class of engine (K-28, K-36, and K-37) but that coal-burners like 481, 482, and 476 will/could still be utilized for the winter runs. The addition of the new diesels to the D&S roster is also exciting. Best wishes to the D&S crews in the coming months and years!
There's just one thing I need to say. Only use the diesels for emergencies and extremely dry periods. You guys are a steam heritage railroad. There's no doubt the diesels are a nice addition though
Roger Huber converting the locomotives to burn oil is a very good idea. Oil burns cleaner than what coal does and converting a steam locomotive to burn oil means you have to convert the tender so it can carry the oil and water as well.
What is the main reason for conversion to oil burning? Is it maintenance, operational cost, emissions, or a combination of those and other reasons? Thank you for keeping steam alive!
Because the railroad got in trouble because they supposedly caused the 416 fire. So to prevent locomotives being more of a fire hazard, they convert them. Plus im sure itll have some cost benefits as well
If y’all paint it a different color since it looks like a standard gauge locomotive it would best in the rio grande standard gauge diesel locomotive paint color black and orange
Very interesting video on restoring locomotives, but it’s hard to see the coal burners going away. I love these old trains and hope they run forever, lots of hard work and it’s appreciated too. Thanks 🙏
They had a Huge Forrest fire two summer ago .. the Coal burners can throw some sparks .. They need to clear all the Brush near the RR Tracks .. Theer are Fuel fired Steam Trains too ..
@@mikeskidmore6754 that railroad has been there for about 150 years and only”caused” (not even proven they were liable) one forest fire in all that time. The railroad won’t be the same without coal, and especially if they get rid of the steam, it will kill the spirit of the railroad. It needs someone like Elon Musk with f you money who can pay off the legal fees. Coal fired steam on the D&SNG is what’s right, down with diesel!
The only place where rivets are really utilized is where sub assemblies of the boiler meet together and need the best seal while maintaining good strength. This would be areas such as the firebox sheets being connected to the foundation/mud ring, the smokebox to the first course, the second course to the first, etc. Back in the day riveting was the best way to create two sealed structures that would be suitable for being under pressure, such as a boiler. When the rivet is inserted into the hole and formed closed, it compresses and fills up the areas around the rivet. As the rivet cools, it contracts drawing itself and the sheet around it shut making a water and pressure tight seal. There is a lot of debate one whether welded structures are better than riveted structures, but they both have their advantages and disadvantages.
Been twice in my life. The full roundtrip Durango to Silverton and back is absolutely beautiful views not accessible by any roads and full size trains will never be able to go through some of the narrow passes on the route. Its definitley a trip you should take some time if possible the steam locos wont be around too many more years.
Does this train ever run a caboose? I’m making a diorama of the Highline for my Durango and silverton electric train set, and I would like a caboose, but I am goi g for realistic, so if the real train don’t ever have one rolling, I won’t either. Also, do those desiel electric locos run along the high line too? That might be an interesting addition to look for... Edit: my train set is #481 steam locomotive, the diorama is turning out pretty amazing so far, taking my time, when it’s done I’ll post a video of it so you can see, hopefully you’ll love it!
Cabooses were used on freight trains by the D&RG and D&RGW. Normally, cabooses are not used on passenger trains but on a tourist line just about anything goes. And any train getting to Silverton has to pass the high line.
I like it.... it looks so modern and I find that cool it’s a little bulky but it’s going to be a proud locomotive of the fleet wish it was completely yellow like the cars it looks better that way
Agreed, 107 is much suited. Diesels are vital for a heritage railway as mych as steam, as they can run in the off season, charter trains, and in fire risk season. A new build diesel however is absolutely horrible, 107 is a vintage diesel, though she is from another state to the D&S, I'd rather see her in her original livery than that scaled down modern diesel
The draw for me is by far the steam locos. I have been many times to Durango to ride these trains starting in the 1980's. If things go diesel, my trips will end for riding the train. The appeal will be gone. I don't mind as much if the steam locos are converted to oil though I love the smell of the coal fire. You will kill the appeal if you go diesel and retire the steam.
I am a bit angry at the Government for requiring the tourist lines to convert their fleets to oil. It is a waste of time and money and might end up costing the tourist lines their shirts. I mean, who is going to come to Colorado to ride behind a diesel locomotive? Not me. I could do that with AMTRAK. The cursed "enviromental" movement is to blame for this. Believe me, the environmentalists will not be happy until ALL the trains are gone! I guess the owner didn't want to fight this issue in Court....
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5:34 when you leave your locomotive parked in Detroit unattended
Or St Louis
lmao
I mean this in the best way possible, but if you want to see the D&SNG with coal fired engines, you had better do it in the next few years. Oil fired locomotives will have their advantages, but they don't compare with the sensory experience of a coal fired engine
Well said. Happy I have been on a coal fired train from Durango 2 years ago. Just happy the Cumbres and Toltec dont seem to hop on the oil conversion wagon.
I'm pretty sure they've already stated that there would be a combination of coal and oil fired steam engines plus the diesels moving forward.
@@radiohirsch They converted 489 to oil. I believe they're doing it like the D&S, converting some to oil and leaving the rest coal so they can run steamers in drought conditions.
@@Hotdawgfilms yeah - I was naive and believed the initial statements...
i don't really care there is barely any diffirence
I wonder if the trucks on that diesel locomotive have come in yet
Very nice video from the Durango & Silverton Railroad.
1201 and 1202 are ex-Tri Rail F40PHL-2s.
that's a lotta work shrinking it to size, wonder what engine they will use?
It’s cool I saw this thing in Greenville sc when it left
Great video, very well done. Very informative.
Man love my visit good place real good place
I’ve been wanting come out for years !
Thanks for the post. I learned a lot.
How hard is it to copy the MLW narrow gauge trucks? Go to somebody that's not a blacksmith?
Love the "new" diesels so much. Thanks.
Exciting to see so much activity around the roundhouse and machine shop. Good to see work progressing with 473s conversion to oil and it is neat to officially hear that 480 is next in line for the oil-burner treatment. Pretty cool that the railroad will have an oil-burner of each class of engine (K-28, K-36, and K-37) but that coal-burners like 481, 482, and 476 will/could still be utilized for the winter runs. The addition of the new diesels to the D&S roster is also exciting. Best wishes to the D&S crews in the coming months and years!
Conversion to oil is bad, never should have started. 493 being oil is b
Fine, but nothing else oil!
There's just one thing I need to say. Only use the diesels for emergencies and extremely dry periods. You guys are a steam heritage railroad. There's no doubt the diesels are a nice addition though
Amen!
What's a bissle post? What's with all the diesels arriving? Why all the tenders being converted to oil?
Roger Huber converting the locomotives to burn oil is a very good idea. Oil burns cleaner than what coal does and converting a steam locomotive to burn oil means you have to convert the tender so it can carry the oil and water as well.
The diesel locomotives I believe are there so the railroad can still run trains if any of the steam locomotives break down.
thanks.
What is the main reason for conversion to oil burning? Is it maintenance, operational cost, emissions, or a combination of those and other reasons? Thank you for keeping steam alive!
Because the railroad got in trouble because they supposedly caused the 416 fire. So to prevent locomotives being more of a fire hazard, they convert them. Plus im sure itll have some cost benefits as well
They are converting three locomotives to burn oil. Mostly so they can run steam during the dry season without the danger of starting fires.
fires
If y’all paint it a different color since it looks like a standard gauge locomotive it would best in the rio grande standard gauge diesel locomotive paint color black and orange
Can steam locomotives run on charcoal?
They can. A steam engine can run on anything that will burn hot enough
That’s a amazing deisal 5:16
Yeah, reminds me of a gp60m because of the cab
R all the steamers gonna b converted to oil?
No. Only like 3 or 4.
eventually
First 493 and next 473 and 480! Are they converting all the D&RGW mikados to oil firing?
No, just those three.
@@adamburnes3655 they're converting them all eventually
@@harrimanfox8961 booo!
@@bradthehighwayman9956 cope
@@harrimanfox8961 ok boomer
Very interesting video on restoring locomotives, but it’s hard to see the coal burners going away. I love these old trains and hope they run forever, lots of hard work and it’s appreciated too. Thanks 🙏
They had a Huge Forrest fire two summer ago .. the Coal burners can throw some sparks .. They need to clear all the Brush near the RR Tracks .. Theer are Fuel fired Steam Trains too ..
It’s not right, someone needs to save the D&SNG from itself
@@mikeskidmore6754 that railroad has been there for about 150 years and only”caused” (not even proven they were liable) one forest fire in all that time. The railroad won’t be the same without coal, and especially if they get rid of the steam, it will kill the spirit of the railroad. It needs someone like Elon Musk with f you money who can pay off the legal fees. Coal fired steam on the D&SNG is what’s right, down with diesel!
@@bradthehighwayman9956 You mean from the Government the EPA and the US Forrest Service ..
@@bradthehighwayman9956 They need to cut the trees near the RR tracks and burn them in the Steam Train .. They can run on wood or Coal ..
It looks like when 107 was being brought into the shop they let the front truck go off the rails to fit it inside
yeah, was wondering about that too
Why are rivits used at all? What is the benifit or advantage of using rivits? Or is it just for making it look correct for the time period?
This was quite funny. Its like asking why a steam locomotive is powered by steam.
it's because rivets are stronger, and locomotives have rivets for a reason.
The only place where rivets are really utilized is where sub assemblies of the boiler meet together and need the best seal while maintaining good strength. This would be areas such as the firebox sheets being connected to the foundation/mud ring, the smokebox to the first course, the second course to the first, etc. Back in the day riveting was the best way to create two sealed structures that would be suitable for being under pressure, such as a boiler. When the rivet is inserted into the hole and formed closed, it compresses and fills up the areas around the rivet. As the rivet cools, it contracts drawing itself and the sheet around it shut making a water and pressure tight seal. There is a lot of debate one whether welded structures are better than riveted structures, but they both have their advantages and disadvantages.
@@cwhuffman01 thanks for telling me that!! It helps me better understand steam locomotives!!
I as well live here in durango, I always go crazy when I see the train especially a diesel on the dgo and silverton lol
To be honest this is cool it’s a beautiful locomotive I wouldn’t mind being on the train this thing is pulling
Been twice in my life. The full roundtrip Durango to Silverton and back is absolutely beautiful views not accessible by any roads and full size trains will never be able to go through some of the narrow passes on the route. Its definitley a trip you should take some time if possible the steam locos wont be around too many more years.
@@Texascudaguy they are in good condition and could last a hundred more years
Does this train ever run a caboose? I’m making a diorama of the Highline for my Durango and silverton electric train set, and I would like a caboose, but I am goi g for realistic, so if the real train don’t ever have one rolling, I won’t either. Also, do those desiel electric locos run along the high line too? That might be an interesting addition to look for...
Edit: my train set is #481 steam locomotive, the diorama is turning out pretty amazing so far, taking my time, when it’s done I’ll post a video of it so you can see, hopefully you’ll love it!
Cabooses were used on freight trains by the D&RG and D&RGW. Normally, cabooses are not used on passenger trains but on a tourist line just about anything goes. And any train getting to Silverton has to pass the high line.
After many Years, AND STILL, the D&S diesels 1201 & 1202 are *STILL* Non-operational.
The new diesel looks horrible.
I like it.... it looks so modern and I find that cool it’s a little bulky but it’s going to be a proud locomotive of the fleet wish it was completely yellow like the cars it looks better that way
Agreed, 107 is much suited. Diesels are vital for a heritage railway as mych as steam, as they can run in the off season, charter trains, and in fire risk season. A new build diesel however is absolutely horrible, 107 is a vintage diesel, though she is from another state to the D&S, I'd rather see her in her original livery than that scaled down modern diesel
@@VT29steamtrain i wonder what will happen to the old ones
All diesels look horrible to me They are ugly, sound awful and look like boxes on wheels.
While that may be true for a lot of diesels, there are some good ones (Examples: The EMD E and F Units, F40PH, GP30, etc).
The draw for me is by far the steam locos. I have been many times to Durango to ride these trains starting in the 1980's. If things go diesel, my trips will end for riding the train. The appeal will be gone. I don't mind as much if the steam locos are converted to oil though I love the smell of the coal fire. You will kill the appeal if you go diesel and retire the steam.
5:34 cursed af
*cute af
I am a bit angry at the Government for requiring the tourist lines to convert their fleets to oil. It is a waste of time and money and might end up costing the tourist lines their shirts. I mean, who is going to come to Colorado to ride behind a diesel locomotive? Not me. I could do that with AMTRAK. The cursed "enviromental" movement is to blame for this. Believe me, the environmentalists will not be happy until ALL the trains are gone! I guess the owner didn't want to fight this issue in Court....
Oh lord a dieseasal! It is time to visit again to see the last coal fired steamers. Thank you Californian immigrants😉
Boo to the diesels!!